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0:00:06 > 0:00:09- Women make up the majority - of the veterinary workforce.
0:00:10 > 0:00:13- Are there additional challenges - for women on the farm?
0:00:13 > 0:00:16- The standard of our work - is just as good as men's.
0:00:16 > 0:00:20- I hope farmers agree with me.
0:00:20 > 0:00:26- Also tonight, is tourism the way - forward for the farming industry?
0:00:26 > 0:00:30- Tourism has helped our farm.
0:00:30 > 0:00:32- We've done more on the farm...
0:00:32 > 0:00:36- ..after investing the money - gained by tourism.
0:00:37 > 0:00:42- We celebrate the enterprise - of two brothers from Mold.
0:00:42 > 0:00:47- The Jones' strength - is the quality of the baler.
0:00:47 > 0:00:52- It was a baler designed to work for - hours on end without any problems.
0:00:58 > 0:01:01- It's challenging - but satisfying work.
0:01:01 > 0:01:04- You need strength - and technical skills.
0:01:04 > 0:01:10- For people who work as vets, they - gain great pleasure from the work.
0:01:10 > 0:01:15- There are more women than ever - before working as vets, almost 60%.
0:01:16 > 0:01:20- Is being a woman - in this profession difficult?
0:01:21 > 0:01:24- Back in 1949...
0:01:24 > 0:01:28- ..only 12% of women - studied a veterinary course...
0:01:28 > 0:01:30- ..compared to 77% today.
0:01:30 > 0:01:35- Attitudes have evidently changed - over the years.
0:01:35 > 0:01:39- What are the experiences - of women working as vets today?
0:01:41 > 0:01:46- Bethan Griffith graduated - as a vet four years ago.
0:01:46 > 0:01:49- She works for Milfeddygon Deufor - in Y Ffor.
0:01:49 > 0:01:53- She was raised on - Bodwi Farm, Mynytho, near Abersoch.
0:01:54 > 0:01:58- She also uses her veterinary skills - at home when needed.
0:02:00 > 0:02:06- I was concerned about returning home - to work straight after graduating.
0:02:06 > 0:02:08- Everyone knows one another in Lleyn.
0:02:09 > 0:02:14- If something goes wrong or something - happens, everyone knows about it.
0:02:14 > 0:02:19- I was under more pressure - to do well and succeed in this area.
0:02:19 > 0:02:23- What's your work schedule? - What do you do from day to day?
0:02:23 > 0:02:24- No two days are alike.
0:02:25 > 0:02:29- That's one of the things - that appeals to me about the work.
0:02:31 > 0:02:36- I like being out on the farms - with the large animals.
0:02:36 > 0:02:39- Much of my time is spent outside.
0:02:40 > 0:02:44- Every now and then we have to cover - a surgery with the cats and dogs.
0:02:47 > 0:02:49- You can be out testing for TB - one day...
0:02:49 > 0:02:54- ..before receiving a call - to deliver a calf by Caesarean.
0:02:54 > 0:02:57- Then you visit a sick animal - at the end of the day.
0:02:57 > 0:03:00- Are there any disadvantages - for female vets?
0:03:01 > 0:03:05- The profession has changed a lot - in recent years.
0:03:07 > 0:03:11- When you assess the difference - between men and women...
0:03:11 > 0:03:13- ..you think about size and strength.
0:03:14 > 0:03:18- When we're out on the farms, - that doesn't affect our work.
0:03:18 > 0:03:24- Over the past few years, resources - for handling animals have improved.
0:03:24 > 0:03:29- Every farm we visit has a crush.
0:03:29 > 0:03:33- Once the animal's in the crush, - safe and sound...
0:03:34 > 0:03:37- ..women can do the job - to the same standard as the men.
0:03:37 > 0:03:41- I don't think - it's a disadvantage at all.
0:03:41 > 0:03:46- Kate O'Sullivan has been a vet - for almost 30 years.
0:03:47 > 0:03:50- She's now a partner in Ystwyth Vets.
0:03:52 > 0:03:55- Why do you think so many women - want to become vets?
0:03:55 > 0:04:01- I don't think it's odd - that so many women want to do it.
0:04:02 > 0:04:05- I feel that women - enjoy working with people.
0:04:05 > 0:04:11- They enjoy the variety of the work, - they enjoy working with animals.
0:04:14 > 0:04:19- It's a hugely challenging job, - you face many challenges.
0:04:19 > 0:04:24- There are a lot of problems - to solve, it's scientific.
0:04:24 > 0:04:27- Women are attracted - by the variety in the work.
0:04:28 > 0:04:30- You have four children.
0:04:30 > 0:04:35- How difficult is balancing working - as a vet and raising a family?
0:04:36 > 0:04:39- I think that's the most - difficult question.
0:04:40 > 0:04:44- This is the greatest question - facing the profession right now.
0:04:44 > 0:04:48- On a personal level, - I'm married to a vet.
0:04:48 > 0:04:51- We've shared a job.
0:04:51 > 0:04:54- I bought into the practice - after the third child.
0:04:54 > 0:04:59- Since then, I've shared the job and - shared domestic responsibilities.
0:04:59 > 0:05:04- This is how we've been able to solve - the problem of doing both things.
0:05:04 > 0:05:08- We can both be hands on - in the job all the time.
0:05:09 > 0:05:13- Unless you have - a flexible family system...
0:05:13 > 0:05:17- ..where you have a husband - who can fulfil a role at home...
0:05:17 > 0:05:22- ..it can be more difficult - to work full time in a practice...
0:05:22 > 0:05:25- ..at a time - when your children are young.
0:05:27 > 0:05:31- Every year, Coleg Sir Gar Gelli Aur - organise a workshop...
0:05:32 > 0:05:34- ..for international vets.
0:05:35 > 0:05:37- One of the leaders - is Dr Neil Paton...
0:05:37 > 0:05:39- ..a lecturer - at the Royal Veterinary College.
0:05:40 > 0:05:45- In the veterinary profession, more - women are being vets these days...
0:05:45 > 0:05:47- ..and that's not a problem.
0:05:47 > 0:05:50- Women vets can cope - with any problem...
0:05:50 > 0:05:54- ..that the veterinary medicine - throws at them.
0:05:54 > 0:05:56- Anything that farmers need to do...
0:05:56 > 0:06:00- ..the vets are more than capable - of doing that job.
0:06:00 > 0:06:02- I want to be a vet.
0:06:02 > 0:06:08- This course concentrates - on farming and food production.
0:06:09 > 0:06:13- It's been very interesting to see - the other side of being a vet...
0:06:14 > 0:06:16- ..not just working with pets - in the practices.
0:06:17 > 0:06:20- It's been good seeing - all the different animals.
0:06:21 > 0:06:25- I've never worked with goats before - and this is a goat farm.
0:06:25 > 0:06:27- It's been really good, - I've enjoyed it.
0:06:28 > 0:06:33- The vet told me that it all comes - down to technique and experience.
0:06:34 > 0:06:36- With so many women - joining the industry...
0:06:37 > 0:06:40- ..farmers are getting used - to dealing with women.
0:06:41 > 0:06:44- They know how to do their jobs.
0:06:45 > 0:06:48- They can do it, - they just need the right technique.
0:06:48 > 0:06:51- As Wales' Chief - Veterinary Officer...
0:06:51 > 0:06:55- ..has Christianne Glossop faced - any obstacles in her career?
0:06:55 > 0:06:59- I set my heart on becoming a vet - when I was 13 years old.
0:07:00 > 0:07:04- I was pestering my mother because - I was desperate to become a vet.
0:07:04 > 0:07:06- She took me - to the local vet practice...
0:07:06 > 0:07:10- ..and introduced me to Jim Goodwin - who took me under his wing.
0:07:11 > 0:07:13- He was a mentor to me from that day.
0:07:13 > 0:07:17- When I was at college, - there were 70 students in a year.
0:07:17 > 0:07:20- There were 22 women - and all the rest were men.
0:07:20 > 0:07:23- That has completely reversed now.
0:07:23 > 0:07:26- I've done lots of different things - in my career.
0:07:26 > 0:07:31- I've been in practice, I've worked - in research and industry.
0:07:32 > 0:07:35- Obviously, - I've got a very different role now.
0:07:35 > 0:07:38- I think, as a woman, - all you've got to do...
0:07:39 > 0:07:42- ..is show that you know - what you're doing...
0:07:42 > 0:07:45- ..that you ask - if you don't know something...
0:07:46 > 0:07:50- ..and you demonstrate your - commitment, passion and expertise.
0:07:50 > 0:07:54- Most people will understand - and accept you...
0:07:54 > 0:07:57- ..just as much as if you were a man.
0:07:57 > 0:08:01- Do Bethan and Kate feel - any disadvantages in being women...
0:08:01 > 0:08:03- ..in the veterinary sector?
0:08:03 > 0:08:09- When vets turn up on farms, - farmers have always expected a man.
0:08:10 > 0:08:14- During the time I've been working, - that's changed.
0:08:15 > 0:08:21- I don't think there are any - disadvantages to being a female vet.
0:08:22 > 0:08:26- The standard of our work - is just as good as men's.
0:08:26 > 0:08:31- I hope farmers agree with me - on that.
0:08:37 > 0:08:39- That's all for Part 1.
0:08:40 > 0:08:44- Join us after the break - when we hear two stories...
0:08:44 > 0:08:46- ..linked to history and diversity.
0:08:46 > 0:08:48- See you soon.
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0:08:58 > 0:09:04- With 75m people visiting Wales - for a day every year...
0:09:04 > 0:09:07- ..spending about 2.7bn...
0:09:07 > 0:09:10- ..there are plenty - of opportunities...
0:09:11 > 0:09:15- ..for those who want to benefit - from the tourist industry.
0:09:17 > 0:09:21- One family that's made the most of - the resources it has on the farm...
0:09:21 > 0:09:26- ..are Bernard and Margaret Llewellyn - Carreg Cennen, Trapp, Llandeilo.
0:09:26 > 0:09:31- The family used to earn a living - through farming only...
0:09:31 > 0:09:33- ..but over the past 30 years...
0:09:34 > 0:09:37- ..tourism has become - more important...
0:09:38 > 0:09:41- ..through their tearoom, - shop and wedding venue...
0:09:41 > 0:09:42- ..in the shadow of the castle.
0:09:43 > 0:09:47- Today, the whole family - is part of the enterprise...
0:09:47 > 0:09:51- ..including youngest daughter - Angharad.
0:09:52 > 0:09:57- This is unique. Not every farmer - can say they own a castle.
0:09:57 > 0:10:00- No, it's definitely very special.
0:10:01 > 0:10:05- This was the start for my parents - when they decided...
0:10:05 > 0:10:09- ..to do something different - apart from farming.
0:10:09 > 0:10:15- How difficult is it - to combine tourism and farming?
0:10:15 > 0:10:21- It's not easy. It's hard keeping - everybody happy all the time.
0:10:22 > 0:10:26- If you're doing something - on the farm...
0:10:26 > 0:10:31- ..you make sure it doesn't affect - people visiting the shop and cafe.
0:10:32 > 0:10:37- Which one gets the priority - - farming or tourism?
0:10:37 > 0:10:39- Definitely tourism.
0:10:40 > 0:10:44- We've been staging weddings - for the past 20 years.
0:10:44 > 0:10:49- That's taken up a lot of our time - as a family.
0:10:49 > 0:10:54- We put so much into the weddings. - That's taken over.
0:10:54 > 0:10:58- The farm is as important now - as it ever was for the family...
0:10:58 > 0:11:02- ..but they're less reliant on it - for their income.
0:11:02 > 0:11:06- They farm 200 sheep - and 50 long horn cattle...
0:11:06 > 0:11:09- ..a breed popular with tourists.
0:11:09 > 0:11:13- The cattle are perfect - for tourism and agriculture.
0:11:13 > 0:11:15- Yes, they are.
0:11:15 > 0:11:19- The cattle look special - on the farm and castle grounds.
0:11:19 > 0:11:25- When tourists arrive, they want - to know the location of the cattle.
0:11:25 > 0:11:29- We also show the cattle - so we'll have some up in the shed.
0:11:29 > 0:11:32- Everyone enjoys going up - to see them.
0:11:32 > 0:11:36- It's a working farm - and that can make it difficult...
0:11:36 > 0:11:40- ..if you're working - with the sheep and cattle...
0:11:40 > 0:11:43- ..and people want to see - what's going on.
0:11:43 > 0:11:46- People enjoy visiting - a working farm.
0:11:47 > 0:11:52- Every year, between 70,000 - and 80,000 people visit the farm.
0:11:53 > 0:11:58- They're open every day of the year - apart from Christmas.
0:11:58 > 0:12:00- Take us back to the beginning.
0:12:00 > 0:12:04- Why did you feel that you needed - to move towards tourism?
0:12:04 > 0:12:06- We saw the potential - when we had an open day.
0:12:07 > 0:12:09- At that time, we were milking cows.
0:12:09 > 0:12:13- We made more money from two churns - of milk we sold as milkshakes...
0:12:13 > 0:12:16- ..than we did - out of the whole of the bulk tank.
0:12:16 > 0:12:19- When you were starting off, - what was your biggest challenge?
0:12:20 > 0:12:22- I suppose it's about compromise.
0:12:23 > 0:12:25- If you are running two businesses...
0:12:25 > 0:12:29- ..one is going to suffer - for the other.
0:12:29 > 0:12:33- We compromise where it's - to the advantage of us financially.
0:12:34 > 0:12:37- Often, I've stopped - turning hay and silage...
0:12:37 > 0:12:39- ..and gone into the shop to wash up.
0:12:40 > 0:12:43- Keeping the retail - and catering side going...
0:12:43 > 0:12:47- ..is more important than keeping - the farming side going.
0:12:48 > 0:12:52- That's a terrible thing to say - but you have to compromise.
0:12:52 > 0:12:57- My grandfather always used to say - that you can't live off the view.
0:12:57 > 0:12:58- He was probably wrong!
0:12:58 > 0:13:02- He said, "Thoust'll never sell - water." He was wrong there too.
0:13:03 > 0:13:07- The entire family helps out - in Carreg Cennen.
0:13:08 > 0:13:10- How do they get on in the workplace?
0:13:11 > 0:13:14- This business - is a real family business.
0:13:15 > 0:13:16- Oh, yes.
0:13:16 > 0:13:20- There's two sides to that. - It can be difficult.
0:13:20 > 0:13:25- Mam, Dad, Nia and myself - get on well together.
0:13:25 > 0:13:27- Elen also helps out.
0:13:27 > 0:13:31- It can be difficult - when you are stuck in your ways.
0:13:31 > 0:13:35- It's then difficult - to change things.
0:13:35 > 0:13:38- Mam doesn't like anything new.
0:13:38 > 0:13:42- As children, we're trying - to do things differently.
0:13:42 > 0:13:44- Brexit is on the horizon.
0:13:44 > 0:13:49- Is it more important than ever - before to source additional income?
0:13:50 > 0:13:55- Definitely. The tourism business - has helped our farm here.
0:13:55 > 0:13:59- We've been able to invest - more money in the farm...
0:14:00 > 0:14:01- ..and made it work for us...
0:14:02 > 0:14:06- ..by spending the money - the tourism business has given us.
0:14:07 > 0:14:12- Both businesses run side by side but - the final word goes to Bernard...
0:14:12 > 0:14:16- ..and his advice to farmers - considering diversification.
0:14:18 > 0:14:21- Not my words of wisdom - but a lot of words of wisdom...
0:14:22 > 0:14:24- ..have come out of China - over the centuries.
0:14:24 > 0:14:27- They only have one word - for change and opportunity.
0:14:28 > 0:14:30- That's what I would ask farmers - to remember.
0:14:30 > 0:14:33- Change is exactly the same thing - as opportunity.
0:14:42 > 0:14:46- At one time, - these were popular on many farms...
0:14:46 > 0:14:50- ..and were considered valuable - by most.
0:14:50 > 0:14:52- They were also Welsh!
0:14:53 > 0:14:55- They are the Jones balers.
0:14:55 > 0:15:01- It's 75 years since the two brothers - from North Wales formed the company.
0:15:04 > 0:15:08- David and Glynne Jones were the - enterprising brothers from Mold.
0:15:09 > 0:15:13- Here in Ruthin, - the balers can be seen in action.
0:15:14 > 0:15:19- Gwynfor Williams knows - more than most about the company.
0:15:19 > 0:15:22- He's the author - of the Jones Baler Story.
0:15:24 > 0:15:28- Tell me a little about - the history of these two brothers.
0:15:29 > 0:15:32- Times were hard at the beginning - of the last century...
0:15:32 > 0:15:35- ..for someone starting a business.
0:15:35 > 0:15:38- They started out as farm workers...
0:15:38 > 0:15:44- ..but it was known - that they were very talented lads.
0:15:44 > 0:15:50- They were sponsored to start a - threshing and contracting business.
0:15:50 > 0:15:52- By the last World War...
0:15:52 > 0:15:57- ..they had a huge business - in the contracting world.
0:15:57 > 0:16:01- They started by building - their own baler...
0:16:02 > 0:16:08- ..in 1942, during the World War when - you couldn't get a machine anywhere.
0:16:08 > 0:16:10- The business grew...
0:16:10 > 0:16:15- ..but they experienced - some rather difficult times...
0:16:15 > 0:16:20- ..especially during - the Great Snow of 1947/48...
0:16:20 > 0:16:25- ..but farmers remained - very supportive of the Jones baler.
0:16:26 > 0:16:28- Was that because they were Welsh?
0:16:28 > 0:16:31- Were they attracted - to a Welsh business?
0:16:32 > 0:16:34- The red dragon was on every machine.
0:16:34 > 0:16:37- Glynne and David Jones - were Welsh speakers.
0:16:37 > 0:16:40- They socialised regularly - in the Vale of Clwyd.
0:16:41 > 0:16:43- They played football - for local teams.
0:16:44 > 0:16:49- They were inventors, they developed - the machines from one to the next...
0:16:49 > 0:16:52- ..making improvements as they went.
0:16:52 > 0:16:54- They were very clever.
0:16:55 > 0:16:59- They would take their rivals' - machines apart...
0:17:00 > 0:17:03- ..assess their weaknesses...
0:17:03 > 0:17:08- ..and apply for patents - for those weak parts.
0:17:09 > 0:17:12- The Jones' strength - is the quality of the baler.
0:17:13 > 0:17:17- It was a baler designed to work for - hours on end without any problems.
0:17:18 > 0:17:22- They were contractors. - They had the experience.
0:17:22 > 0:17:27- Every Welsh contractor - kept faith with the Jones baler.
0:17:27 > 0:17:30- The Jones baler was the Rolls Royce.
0:17:31 > 0:17:33- The machinery was very popular.
0:17:34 > 0:17:38- The company employed - hundreds of workers in North Wales.
0:17:38 > 0:17:42- In 1961, - Allis Chalmers bought the business.
0:17:42 > 0:17:45- In 1971, - it was sold on to Bamfords.
0:17:46 > 0:17:51- At the beginning of the '80s, the - company went into administration...
0:17:52 > 0:17:54- ..and production ceased.
0:17:54 > 0:17:56- The machines are still alive.
0:17:56 > 0:18:01- One keen collector is the organiser - of this special day, Merfyn Jones.
0:18:01 > 0:18:04- I've collected quite a few of them.
0:18:04 > 0:18:09- I have seven here today. I have - some more at home I couldn't bring.
0:18:10 > 0:18:12- They're being restored.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15- You run Craig Lelo as a scrap - business, you're a farmer too.
0:18:15 > 0:18:19- Do you remember these balers - working on the land?
0:18:19 > 0:18:22- Yes, yes. - We had two Jones balers at home.
0:18:23 > 0:18:25- We used to ride on them as children.
0:18:26 > 0:18:31- My father had two Jones balers, - the Cub and the Tiger.
0:18:31 > 0:18:33- I can remember those.
0:18:34 > 0:18:37- What inspired you - to start collecting them?
0:18:37 > 0:18:40- I don't know. - Some people collect stamps.
0:18:40 > 0:18:42- That doesn't interest me!
0:18:42 > 0:18:45- Some play golf, - that doesn't interest me!
0:18:45 > 0:18:47- It's a pension fund too.
0:18:53 > 0:18:56- What's so special about this baler?
0:18:56 > 0:19:01- This is the Super Star. - This is the best of the best.
0:19:02 > 0:19:05- This comes from the 1960s.
0:19:06 > 0:19:09- Its price was 650.
0:19:09 > 0:19:11- 650 in the '60s.
0:19:11 > 0:19:14- Who could afford those prices - at that time?
0:19:14 > 0:19:20- It was affordable for the contractor - and the individual farmer.
0:19:20 > 0:19:23- It was within reach - of the everyday farmer.
0:19:23 > 0:19:26- It was within reach - for the common farmer.
0:19:27 > 0:19:32- I've noticed an orange and - blue colour here - what's going on?
0:19:32 > 0:19:38- Ah, well, Allis Chalmers may have - taken over when this was made.
0:19:38 > 0:19:40- They painted many of them orange.
0:19:40 > 0:19:44- That was the colour - of the Allis Chalmers brand.
0:19:44 > 0:19:46- But they didn't sell.
0:19:46 > 0:19:51- They were returned to the factory - and they were painted blue.
0:19:52 > 0:19:56- More importantly, - the red dragon was restored.
0:19:56 > 0:19:58- Then they all sold.
0:20:02 > 0:20:06- Many farmers here today - remember using the machines.
0:20:06 > 0:20:07- Some collect them now.
0:20:08 > 0:20:11- I've noticed this one, - Jones Minor MkII.
0:20:11 > 0:20:14- How long have you had this one?
0:20:14 > 0:20:18- My father bought it around 1958.
0:20:19 > 0:20:22- We've had it - for as long as I can remember.
0:20:22 > 0:20:24- We've used it on our farm...
0:20:24 > 0:20:28- ..and it baled hay - for our next-door neighbours.
0:20:28 > 0:20:33- It's been a very reliable baler - over the years.
0:20:34 > 0:20:36- It's still ticking over - like a watch.
0:20:36 > 0:20:38- It is, it's running like a watch.
0:20:38 > 0:20:42- It is, it's running like a watch.- - We bought a new thresher in 1938.
0:20:42 > 0:20:46- The winter of 1938. - It's been on the farm ever since.
0:20:46 > 0:20:51- It's going out next Saturday for a - trial run to see if it still works.
0:20:51 > 0:20:57- We've been using Jones balers - since 1953.
0:21:00 > 0:21:03- They were built to last back then.
0:21:03 > 0:21:06- I've had to spend - very little on them.
0:21:07 > 0:21:10- How does it make you feel - to attend a day like this?
0:21:10 > 0:21:14- It brings back many fond memories - of threshing days...
0:21:15 > 0:21:17- ..funny and mischievous!
0:21:17 > 0:21:18- I'm sure.
0:21:21 > 0:21:25- Here to represent the family, and - fondly remembering father Glynne...
0:21:25 > 0:21:28- ..is Noel Jones - from Sealand, Deeside.
0:21:30 > 0:21:32- Tell us a little bit...
0:21:32 > 0:21:36- ..about what it was like - in the glory days in your memory.
0:21:38 > 0:21:39- A bit like royalty.
0:21:39 > 0:21:41- Was it?
0:21:41 > 0:21:43- But big fish in a little pool.
0:21:43 > 0:21:48- Internationally, we didn't cut - the ice, we weren't big enough.
0:21:48 > 0:21:53- What does it feel like to come here - and see all that heritage...
0:21:53 > 0:21:54- ..alive still?
0:21:54 > 0:21:56- ..alive still?- - It's like living it again.
0:21:57 > 0:21:59- It's staggering.
0:21:59 > 0:22:03- The beauty of these is now we know - what we've got, they'll stay alive.
0:22:10 > 0:22:14- On a personal level, - do you admire the two brothers?
0:22:15 > 0:22:20- The two lads came from nowhere and - created a world-renowned product.
0:22:20 > 0:22:22- I'm full of admiration.
0:22:22 > 0:22:27- They must have worked many long - hours during many a late night...
0:22:27 > 0:22:30- ..as they designed - and made these machines.
0:22:31 > 0:22:35- One thing - you've always emphasised to me...
0:22:35 > 0:22:37- ..is that research - and development...
0:22:38 > 0:22:41- ..is crucial for the success - of a business.
0:22:41 > 0:22:43- Never stand still.
0:22:43 > 0:22:47- We import so many machines - from Germany.
0:22:48 > 0:22:51- When you look - at German businesses...
0:22:51 > 0:22:56- ..they invest heavily - in research and development.
0:22:56 > 0:23:00- Once you stand still, - you start going backwards.
0:23:00 > 0:23:02- I find that interesting.
0:23:02 > 0:23:05- It's a modern message - for future businesses...
0:23:06 > 0:23:08- ..based on past experience.
0:23:12 > 0:23:17- That's all for this week. We're back - at the same time next week.
0:23:17 > 0:23:19- Until then, thanks for joining us.
0:23:19 > 0:23:21- Cheerio.
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