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0:00:06 > 0:00:09- The price of hay has doubled - over the past year.

0:00:09 > 0:00:12- What effect has it had - on Welsh farmers?

0:00:13 > 0:00:17- If it continues in this vein, - and a lot of it is being used...

0:00:18 > 0:00:20- ..there's no doubt - it'll become scarcer.

0:00:21 > 0:00:23- Stock levels will fall and fall.

0:00:23 > 0:00:26- Also tonight, with the cost - of buying a farm so high...

0:00:26 > 0:00:30- ..is there another way in - for prospective farmers?

0:00:30 > 0:00:34- It's very difficult for those - wanting to become farmers.

0:00:35 > 0:00:37- You need a Lottery win - to buy a farm.

0:00:38 > 0:00:41- A partnership gives you - a better opportunity.

0:00:41 > 0:00:45- How has a Bethesda brewery - helped a pig breeder?

0:00:46 > 0:00:50- The lads decided to brew - their own beer in Bethesda.

0:00:50 > 0:00:53- I realised that some barley - would become available.

0:00:58 > 0:01:01- Almost every farm uses hay - at some point...

0:01:01 > 0:01:06- ..either as a bed for animals - or to add fibre to the diet.

0:01:06 > 0:01:10- This year, the price is as high - as it's ever been.

0:01:10 > 0:01:14- I'm at Stow-on-the-Wold Rugby Club - in the Cotswolds...

0:01:14 > 0:01:17- ..for the largest hay sale - of the year...

0:01:17 > 0:01:20- ..to learn more about the situation.

0:01:33 > 0:01:35- This is the first sale of the year.

0:01:35 > 0:01:39- It will set the price for hay - for the rest of the season.

0:01:39 > 0:01:43- The room is packed - with buyers from across Britain.

0:01:43 > 0:01:46- One of them is Geraint Morris.

0:01:46 > 0:01:49- What are his views on the situation?

0:01:49 > 0:01:52- There's a definite shortage.

0:01:53 > 0:01:56- If it continues in this vein, - and a lot of it is being used...

0:01:56 > 0:01:58- ..it'll become scarcer.

0:01:58 > 0:02:00- Stock levels will fall and fall.

0:02:01 > 0:02:05- Are people panicking when they say - they might run out before March?

0:02:05 > 0:02:08- There has been an element - of panic buying.

0:02:08 > 0:02:11- People wanting one load - are buying three.

0:02:12 > 0:02:15- They're splitting loads, - keeping them back for a week...

0:02:15 > 0:02:18- ..before coming back again.

0:02:18 > 0:02:20- Every time I come back, - the price goes up.

0:02:21 > 0:02:23- In many of the places - I've visited...

0:02:23 > 0:02:26- ..with people I've dealt with - for years...

0:02:27 > 0:02:31- ..where only myself and two - or three others buy from there...

0:02:31 > 0:02:33- ..people are phoning - from all around.

0:02:34 > 0:02:37- The catalogue doesn't help - me that much.

0:02:38 > 0:02:41- Irish and Scots - are buying from my sellers.

0:02:44 > 0:02:50- Today, the average price - was 130 for a tonne of hay.

0:02:50 > 0:02:54- It's double the average price - this time last year.

0:02:54 > 0:02:57- Freight costs are added - on top of that.

0:02:57 > 0:03:01- Adrian Cannon from Tayler - and Fletcher organised today's sale.

0:03:02 > 0:03:05- It's been an exceptional sale, - an extraordinary one.

0:03:06 > 0:03:09- There's a demand, - there's not the supply.

0:03:09 > 0:03:12- There was a wet harvest, - a tricky harvest.

0:03:12 > 0:03:16- The choppers went in, maybe not - enough was being offered at harvest.

0:03:16 > 0:03:19- People said, - "Right, well, I've got to get on."

0:03:20 > 0:03:24- The arable farmers around here, - they just want to get planted.

0:03:24 > 0:03:27- It's more important to them - to plant next year's crop...

0:03:28 > 0:03:31- ..than worry about whether - they'll get the price on straw.

0:03:31 > 0:03:36- If they see what we've got here - today, they'd be kicking themselves.

0:03:36 > 0:03:39- That's the season - and every season is different.

0:03:40 > 0:03:42- This one is making - an exceptional season.

0:03:42 > 0:03:45- I don't know if it's doing - anyone any good.

0:03:45 > 0:03:47- It's swings and roundabouts.

0:03:47 > 0:03:51- What's going to happen next year? - It shifts from year to year.

0:03:51 > 0:03:54- Sometimes in farming - we need stability.

0:04:01 > 0:04:06- Can I ask you, sir, what's brought - you here all the way from Wales?

0:04:06 > 0:04:12- This is where we get our hay - when there's a shortage on farms.

0:04:12 > 0:04:16- We've bought a few loads...

0:04:16 > 0:04:22- ..to make sure we have enough hay - for our faithfuls...

0:04:22 > 0:04:24- ..to look after them.

0:04:25 > 0:04:27- The price has increased...

0:04:28 > 0:04:31- ..almost double what we were - paying here last year.

0:04:32 > 0:04:36- That's going to make - a big dent in the pocket.

0:04:41 > 0:04:44- There were people here today...

0:04:44 > 0:04:49- ..who couldn't quite believe - the price they'd paid for the hay.

0:04:50 > 0:04:52- I'm one of them.

0:04:53 > 0:04:57- I don't know. I know after today, - whoever I phone will want more.

0:04:57 > 0:04:59- There's no doubt about that.

0:05:00 > 0:05:03- I've bought some at the sale today, - the price was high.

0:05:03 > 0:05:06- That's where the price - is going to be.

0:05:06 > 0:05:09- It's an expensive time.

0:05:11 > 0:05:14- One farmer who's worried - about the increase in price...

0:05:15 > 0:05:18- ..and the effect - it'll have on his business...

0:05:18 > 0:05:21- ..is beef, sheep and dairy farmer - Andrew Jones.

0:05:24 > 0:05:28- Andrew, what's the main use of hay - on your farm?

0:05:28 > 0:05:31- We've been dependant on hay - for many years.

0:05:31 > 0:05:34- So far, we use 50 tonnes a year...

0:05:34 > 0:05:38- ..because we winter the sheep - and lamb inside.

0:05:38 > 0:05:43- Of course, we looked at ways - of using less hay for cattle...

0:05:43 > 0:05:45- ..by moving on to sawdust.

0:05:45 > 0:05:49- Others have moved to sand and paper.

0:05:49 > 0:05:53- We have to use hay - for the calves and heifers...

0:05:53 > 0:05:56- ..because they need to be - kept clean.

0:05:57 > 0:06:01- If we feed them silage, - they become too wet and dirty.

0:06:01 > 0:06:04- Did you have spare hay this year - or have you bought some in?

0:06:05 > 0:06:08- We bought one load. We've bought - from the same supplier for 30 years.

0:06:09 > 0:06:12- Fair play, - he's been good to us over the years.

0:06:12 > 0:06:15- At times, he might have been - more expensive...

0:06:15 > 0:06:18- ..but we've stuck to the supplier.

0:06:18 > 0:06:21- This year, - I'm hoping he'll look after us.

0:06:21 > 0:06:25- Will there be enough hay available - later in the season?

0:06:26 > 0:06:28- The price is double - what it was last year.

0:06:29 > 0:06:31- Almost. - I hope it doesn't get that high.

0:06:32 > 0:06:37- We need it, we're dependant on it - because we lamb indoors.

0:06:37 > 0:06:41- We don't take any of the sheep away.

0:06:41 > 0:06:45- We might be better off - doing that this year, who knows?

0:06:49 > 0:06:52- With the price of milk and red meat - higher this year...

0:06:53 > 0:06:55- ..compared to previous years...

0:06:55 > 0:06:59- ..is hay price another obstacle - to farmer's increasing their income?

0:07:00 > 0:07:03- They're talking about a year - of high prices at the moment.

0:07:04 > 0:07:08- Next year might be very different. - We've seen prices lower than this.

0:07:08 > 0:07:12- Will one year alter your system - or will you continue as you are?

0:07:13 > 0:07:16- We'll continue, - there's no other choice.

0:07:16 > 0:07:19- There might be another wet year - next year.

0:07:19 > 0:07:23- The English weather - controls everything.

0:07:23 > 0:07:27- If the English don't harvest - their wheat, we suffer.

0:07:27 > 0:07:31- Would you change your system - because of the price of hay?

0:07:31 > 0:07:33- No, not at all.

0:07:34 > 0:07:36- Hay has been expensive for years.

0:07:36 > 0:07:40- We're in this system - and we're sticking to it.

0:07:40 > 0:07:45- I spoke to a farmer the other - day who lambs 1,000 sheep indoors.

0:07:45 > 0:07:50- He was considering lambing out this - year because of the shortage of hay.

0:07:50 > 0:07:53- We have to get used to prices - going up and down.

0:07:53 > 0:07:59- For a dairy farmer, you're used - to volatility in prices.

0:08:00 > 0:08:04- We've got used to that - over the years.

0:08:04 > 0:08:07- The milk price is high - at the moment.

0:08:07 > 0:08:11- If the hay price rose again, - it could cause problems for farmers.

0:08:11 > 0:08:14- It could cause - a lot of strain and stress.

0:08:17 > 0:08:22- The forecast for hay prices - this season - it will be expensive.

0:08:23 > 0:08:26- Who knows what will happen - to next year's crop?

0:08:26 > 0:08:29- Supply and demand - are controlling the price.

0:08:30 > 0:08:32- It's time for a break.

0:08:32 > 0:08:36- After the break, what is the link - between beer and pigs?

0:08:36 > 0:08:41- We'll also discuss opportunities - for future farmers. See you soon.

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0:08:53 > 0:08:57- An increasing problem - for many farmers these days...

0:08:57 > 0:09:00- ..is knowing when and how - to retire...

0:09:00 > 0:09:03- ..leaving the next generation - to take the reins.

0:09:03 > 0:09:05- What if no-one follows you?

0:09:06 > 0:09:10- Sometimes, all you need - is a little advice and support.

0:09:12 > 0:09:14- After years of working on farms...

0:09:15 > 0:09:18- ..Rhys Richards - from Talybont, Aberystwyth...

0:09:18 > 0:09:22- ..wanted to start farming - on his own farm...

0:09:22 > 0:09:24- ..but didn't know how to do it.

0:09:24 > 0:09:28- He then heard about the Venture - enterprise from Farming Connect.

0:09:28 > 0:09:32- It pairs young farmers without farms - with farmers looking to retire.

0:09:32 > 0:09:38- For the past year, he's farmed - with the Nichols brothers...

0:09:39 > 0:09:41- ..on Gernant Farm near Rhydlewis.

0:09:41 > 0:09:43- I was working for a contractor.

0:09:44 > 0:09:47- That's when I looked into - partnership farming.

0:09:47 > 0:09:50- I was shearing in New Zealand...

0:09:50 > 0:09:53- ..and I spoke to many farmers - out there.

0:09:53 > 0:09:59- I saw that shared farming and - partnerships worked for them there.

0:09:59 > 0:10:04- I returned to Wales and looked - into renting a farm...

0:10:05 > 0:10:08- ..or becoming a tenant farmer.

0:10:08 > 0:10:12- I soon realised that a partnership - was the best option for me.

0:10:12 > 0:10:16- Could you see a future for you - in farming...

0:10:16 > 0:10:20- ..without this kind of partnership?

0:10:20 > 0:10:21- No.

0:10:21 > 0:10:26- It's very difficult for young people - to get into farming.

0:10:26 > 0:10:28- You need a Lottery win - to buy a farm.

0:10:28 > 0:10:30- Sometimes that's not enough.

0:10:31 > 0:10:34- I could have carried on - working for others...

0:10:35 > 0:10:39- ..but a partnership - gives you a better opportunity.

0:10:39 > 0:10:43- It also gives you more - responsibility in farming.

0:10:44 > 0:10:48- Einir Davies - is the mentoring programme manager.

0:10:48 > 0:10:50- She's leading this project.

0:10:50 > 0:10:53- The 102 applicants - who've registered with Venture...

0:10:54 > 0:10:59- ..will be given plenty of support - to realise their dreams.

0:10:59 > 0:11:03- It was established two years ago.

0:11:04 > 0:11:08- Since then, - we've paired 36 people together.

0:11:08 > 0:11:12- We're working with those - partnerships right now...

0:11:12 > 0:11:16- ..to support them - to establish new business plans.

0:11:16 > 0:11:19- We're also supplying - the right legal advice...

0:11:19 > 0:11:23- ..to make sure that - a formal arrangement exists...

0:11:23 > 0:11:28- ..and make sure the needs of both - parties are represented formally.

0:11:29 > 0:11:35- Seven enterprises - have now been completed formally.

0:11:35 > 0:11:38- How difficult is it - to find the right pairing?

0:11:39 > 0:11:42- We have balanced levels of people...

0:11:42 > 0:11:46- ..offering opportunities - and wanting opportunities...

0:11:46 > 0:11:50- ..balanced levels - have registered with the scheme...

0:11:50 > 0:11:54- ..but we've seen limited numbers - of young farmers...

0:11:54 > 0:11:56- ..taking advantage - of those opportunities.

0:11:57 > 0:11:59- One of obstacles they noted...

0:11:59 > 0:12:03- ..was their desire - to stay within their locality.

0:12:03 > 0:12:07- They wanted to stay close - to their family homes.

0:12:07 > 0:12:12- Rhys is an example of someone who's - ready to overcome that obstacle...

0:12:12 > 0:12:14- ..to succeed as a farmer.

0:12:15 > 0:12:18- Rhys was led through the small print - by CARA...

0:12:18 > 0:12:22- ..a company which gives farmers - specialist advice.

0:12:22 > 0:12:26- It looks challenging initially - but once you're in to it...

0:12:27 > 0:12:30- ..you get a lot of help - from Farming Connect...

0:12:30 > 0:12:34- ..and John Crimes from CARA - helped with the paperwork.

0:12:34 > 0:12:39- We moved on to where we are today - after a trial of six months.

0:12:39 > 0:12:42- It's worked out well.

0:12:42 > 0:12:45- Tell us about the partnership.

0:12:45 > 0:12:50- We had a six-month trial to see - if everything worked out between us.

0:12:50 > 0:12:53- I live in the farmhouse - with the boss.

0:12:53 > 0:12:56- Moving forward, - I have a five-year contract.

0:12:56 > 0:13:00- I'm hoping to get a 50% share - of the cattle.

0:13:01 > 0:13:04- What's the key to the success - of this partnership?

0:13:04 > 0:13:07- Getting on with your partners.

0:13:09 > 0:13:12- If you don't get on, - there's no point starting.

0:13:12 > 0:13:15- It'll just eat you up - from the inside.

0:13:22 > 0:13:25- Here on Gernant Farm, - Nick and David Nichols...

0:13:26 > 0:13:28- ..are glad that Rhys - joined the business.

0:13:29 > 0:13:34- The brothers keep 70 crossed - Limousin Simmental suckler cattle...

0:13:34 > 0:13:38- ..in an organic system - on 320 acres of land.

0:13:39 > 0:13:43- We were finding - the physical work more difficult.

0:13:43 > 0:13:47- We had the worry - that if one of us became ill...

0:13:47 > 0:13:49- ..the one left would be swamped.

0:13:49 > 0:13:53- Not too much work for a young man - but for an old man, it is too much.

0:13:53 > 0:13:56- We thought about - letting the farm out.

0:13:56 > 0:14:00- We were advised that perhaps - the farm would deteriorate.

0:14:00 > 0:14:04- Maintenance wouldn't be done - to our standards.

0:14:04 > 0:14:07- We went to John Crimes at CARA...

0:14:07 > 0:14:11- ..and he came up - with the idea of this partnership.

0:14:12 > 0:14:15- We took a gamble - and it's working very well.

0:14:15 > 0:14:19- We've all got to get on well - for the partnership to work.

0:14:19 > 0:14:24- We all say what we're thinking - or come up with different ideas...

0:14:24 > 0:14:26- ..and sort it out from there.

0:14:28 > 0:14:32- We seem to be getting on like - three brothers. It's working well.

0:14:32 > 0:14:37- When you introduce new ideas, - are they ready to listen?

0:14:37 > 0:14:40- They're more than ready - to listen to new ideas.

0:14:40 > 0:14:45- They're not old-fashioned, - they're open to my ideas.

0:14:46 > 0:14:51- If we discuss the idea - and we're all agreed, we try it.

0:14:51 > 0:14:54- If it doesn't work, - we put it down to experience.

0:14:54 > 0:14:58- What's your advice to someone in the - same position you were in last year?

0:14:59 > 0:15:02- I'd encourage them to look into it.

0:15:03 > 0:15:07- There are plenty of farms out there - looking for someone like me...

0:15:07 > 0:15:09- ..to help on the farm.

0:15:10 > 0:15:13- If you don't like it, - there's a six-month trial.

0:15:13 > 0:15:16- It's hard - to get into farming these days.

0:15:16 > 0:15:20- At the moment, this was - the best option I could find...

0:15:20 > 0:15:23- ..to achieve a career in farming.

0:15:27 > 0:15:32- This scheme provides - the ideal answer for both parties.

0:15:32 > 0:15:36- The opportunity for the two brothers - to slow down...

0:15:36 > 0:15:39- ..without having - to give up completely...

0:15:39 > 0:15:42- ..and the opportunity - for a young man to farm.

0:15:46 > 0:15:51- After travelling to New Zealand - and returning to Wales...

0:15:51 > 0:15:54- ..I didn't think - I'd have a career in farming.

0:15:54 > 0:15:57- It's important not to give up.

0:15:57 > 0:16:04- Looking in to this partnership - is the best thing I've ever done.

0:16:11 > 0:16:15- According to CAMRA, - the campaign for real ale...

0:16:16 > 0:16:19- ..29 pubs close each week - in Britain.

0:16:19 > 0:16:25- One part of the industry that's - growing is the brewing sector.

0:16:25 > 0:16:29- There are 40 breweries - in North and West Wales.

0:16:30 > 0:16:34- One brewery - that was established recently...

0:16:34 > 0:16:36- ..is Cwrw Ogwen in Bethesda.

0:16:43 > 0:16:46- There are ten shareholders - in the brewery.

0:16:46 > 0:16:48- One of them is Elfyn Roberts.

0:16:50 > 0:16:52- Two years ago, - I retired as a teacher.

0:16:52 > 0:16:57- We had a conversation - when we were in Portmeirion.

0:16:57 > 0:17:01- I was wondering what to do - after retiring.

0:17:01 > 0:17:05- A group of us decided to open - a brewery in the Ogwen Valley.

0:17:05 > 0:17:08- We have plenty of drinkers - and pubs here.

0:17:08 > 0:17:13- Successful breweries had been - established on the Lleyn Peninsula.

0:17:14 > 0:17:19- We all decided to give it a go - and that's how the journey started.

0:17:19 > 0:17:23- Ten of us came together - and invested some money.

0:17:26 > 0:17:29- Since it was formed, - the brewery has worked...

0:17:29 > 0:17:33- ..with local farmer and contractor - Gareth Wyn Jones.

0:17:33 > 0:17:36- He has an agreement with Cwrw Ogwen.

0:17:36 > 0:17:40- Gareth collects the waste - from the brewery business...

0:17:40 > 0:17:43- ..and feeds it - to his cattle and pigs.

0:17:46 > 0:17:49- He's here twice a week - to collect the barley...

0:17:50 > 0:17:54- ..and his pigs flourish - on the barley.

0:17:54 > 0:17:57- I've eaten a piece of the pork - - it's wonderful.

0:17:58 > 0:18:00- The taste is evident in the pork.

0:18:00 > 0:18:02- He comes back every week.

0:18:04 > 0:18:08- It's important to see rural - businesses working together.

0:18:08 > 0:18:11- With the price - of animal feed increasing...

0:18:12 > 0:18:14- ..every help is a blessing.

0:18:14 > 0:18:18- What's the story of your - relationship with Cwrw Ogwen?

0:18:19 > 0:18:23- I already knew all the lads.

0:18:23 > 0:18:25- We'd drink in the Sior in Bethesda.

0:18:26 > 0:18:29- The lads decided to brew - their own beer in Bethesda.

0:18:29 > 0:18:33- I realised that some barley - would become available.

0:18:34 > 0:18:38- I gave it to the cattle first - but they weren't eating it all.

0:18:38 > 0:18:42- The lads were busy so I kept - getting more and more of it.

0:18:42 > 0:18:46- I decided that the best option - would be feeding it to pigs.

0:18:46 > 0:18:51- You bought the pigs to eat - the barley you were receiving.

0:18:51 > 0:18:55- Do they fatten well - on Cwrw Ogwen barley?

0:18:55 > 0:18:57- Yes, they do.

0:18:57 > 0:19:00- I add some feed to it, some protein.

0:19:01 > 0:19:04- I think there's a lot of goodness - in this barley.

0:19:04 > 0:19:09- I think there's something in it - because they're doing well on it.

0:19:09 > 0:19:12- Until when do you keep the pigs?

0:19:12 > 0:19:15- I buy them in - when they're two months old.

0:19:15 > 0:19:18- I keep them for around four months.

0:19:19 > 0:19:22- When they're about six months old, - they're ready.

0:19:22 > 0:19:24- I try to get them up to 80 kilos.

0:19:25 > 0:19:28- They're sent for slaughter - when they're about 60.

0:19:28 > 0:19:30- Do you sell the meat?

0:19:30 > 0:19:32- Do you sell the meat?- - In boxes of quarters.

0:19:32 > 0:19:35- With a 60-kilo pig, - you get four boxes of 15 kilos.

0:19:35 > 0:19:38- That's ideal for people.

0:19:50 > 0:19:53- Brewing high quality beer - is no mean feat.

0:19:53 > 0:19:56- Judging by the popularity - of this beer...

0:19:56 > 0:19:59- ..they must be doing - something right.

0:20:00 > 0:20:02- Is it almost ready, Richard?

0:20:03 > 0:20:06- Another 10 minutes, - then I can add the hops...

0:20:07 > 0:20:09- ..and let it boil - for a little longer.

0:20:09 > 0:20:13- How much beer can you get - from this large barrel?

0:20:13 > 0:20:18- About five casks - - there are 72 pints in a firkin.

0:20:18 > 0:20:20- This is enough for five firkins.

0:20:21 > 0:20:25- How many firkins - do you sell every week?

0:20:25 > 0:20:27- Ten. We brew twice a week.

0:20:27 > 0:20:30- We've sold ten every single week.

0:20:30 > 0:20:32- Is that enough?

0:20:32 > 0:20:36- No. We're looking to expand - the business in the new year.

0:20:38 > 0:20:42- We'll invest in new gear - to produce 25 firkins at a time.

0:20:42 > 0:20:45- The more barley you use here...

0:20:45 > 0:20:50- ..the more pigs - will be fattened in Gerlan.

0:20:50 > 0:20:53- They had four there - at the beginning of the year.

0:20:54 > 0:20:56- There are 13 there now.

0:20:56 > 0:20:59- The people of Bethesda - will live on beer and pork.

0:21:00 > 0:21:02- And bacon!

0:21:08 > 0:21:14- There's no waste here, Gareth. - The little piggies enjoy their food.

0:21:14 > 0:21:16- They clean their troughs.

0:21:17 > 0:21:20- Is this the way you'll develop - as a farmer?

0:21:20 > 0:21:23- For someone like me - on a small farm...

0:21:23 > 0:21:25- ..it's the only way forward.

0:21:25 > 0:21:32- I've built this shed and the shed - will have to pay for itself.

0:21:32 > 0:21:36- The only way is to keep animals in - all the time.

0:21:36 > 0:21:39- I'll sell the meat locally - to people.

0:21:39 > 0:21:41- How many pigs do you have now?

0:21:42 > 0:21:44- I have 14 here now.

0:21:44 > 0:21:48- You might have 140 here - this time next year.

0:21:48 > 0:21:50- You enjoy it.

0:21:50 > 0:21:52- Yes indeed. It gives me pleasure.

0:21:54 > 0:21:58- Enterprise is important - for people in rural Wales.

0:21:58 > 0:22:02- It's good to see these two - businesses succeeding together.

0:22:03 > 0:22:05- What are your hopes for the future?

0:22:06 > 0:22:09- It would be nice to expand - and employ local people...

0:22:10 > 0:22:14- ..and give Gareth more barley - to help him develop his business.

0:22:14 > 0:22:19- You're supporting a local man who's - trying to make a living in farming.

0:22:20 > 0:22:23- We're helping each other - in a close knit community.

0:22:23 > 0:22:24- It's very important.

0:22:32 > 0:22:34- Good luck to the new enterprise.

0:22:34 > 0:22:38- That's all for this week. We're back - at the same time next week.

0:22:38 > 0:22:41- Thanks for joining us. Cheerio.

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