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0:00:06 > 0:00:09- The post-mortem - into the General Election continues.
0:00:10 > 0:00:14- There might be some hope for farmers - following the result.
0:00:14 > 0:00:18- I'll speak to Tweli Griffiths - about the result's significance.
0:00:29 > 0:00:33- Alun discovers how a scheme - that compares rams...
0:00:33 > 0:00:36- ..can add to farm profits.
0:00:37 > 0:00:44- The relationship between farmers and - supermarkets is often challenging.
0:00:44 > 0:00:47- Meinir attended an open day - with one supermarket...
0:00:47 > 0:00:50- ..intent on selling - more local produce.
0:00:55 > 0:00:57- Back in the 15th century...
0:00:57 > 0:01:00- ..Owain Glyndwr succeeded - in uniting Wales for a time.
0:01:01 > 0:01:04- With the government facing - important negotiations...
0:01:04 > 0:01:07- ..the Prime Minister - must create a consensus...
0:01:08 > 0:01:11- ..to represent the country - during the Brexit talks.
0:01:21 > 0:01:25- We're outside Owain Glyndwr's - parliament in Machynlleth.
0:01:25 > 0:01:30- It's old history, but present events - are a concern for Welsh farmers.
0:01:30 > 0:01:34- What are the implications - of the election for farmers?
0:01:34 > 0:01:39- I think the situation looks better - for agriculture, to be honest.
0:01:40 > 0:01:42- There won't be a hard Brexit.
0:01:43 > 0:01:46- There will be some kind - of soft Brexit.
0:01:47 > 0:01:52- More importantly, even though we - won't stay in the single market...
0:01:52 > 0:01:55- ..there will be - a greater emphasis...
0:01:55 > 0:01:58- ..on securing continued trade - with Europe...
0:01:58 > 0:02:02- ..and that it will continue - to be tariff-free.
0:02:02 > 0:02:05- That's good news - for Welsh farmers...
0:02:05 > 0:02:08- ..in terms of selling - their produce overseas.
0:02:08 > 0:02:10- How have the unions reacted?
0:02:11 > 0:02:17- Well, we must remember what the - unions wanted before the election.
0:02:17 > 0:02:23- They wanted to continue trading - with Europe tariff-free...
0:02:23 > 0:02:27- ..and they wanted - the same level of funding...
0:02:27 > 0:02:30- ..as they receive now - through the CAP.
0:02:30 > 0:02:35- That's what the unions wanted - before the election.
0:02:35 > 0:02:38- Right now, - a few days after the result...
0:02:39 > 0:02:42- ..I don't think they know - what will happen...
0:02:43 > 0:02:46- ..but I do think the situation - is more hopeful...
0:02:46 > 0:02:50- ..in terms of trading - with European countries...
0:02:50 > 0:02:54- ..and the new man in Defra, - Michael Gove, has said...
0:02:55 > 0:03:00- ..that the financial package - will remain on the same level...
0:03:01 > 0:03:03- ..as the CAP until 2022.
0:03:03 > 0:03:06- Things don't look too bleak - right now.
0:03:06 > 0:03:10- The situation in Scotland - has changed - will that affect us?
0:03:10 > 0:03:15- Yes, in terms of the overall picture - on the future of Brexit.
0:03:15 > 0:03:21- The Tories, under the charismatic - leadership of Ruth Davidson...
0:03:21 > 0:03:25- ..increased their MPs - from one to 13.
0:03:25 > 0:03:29- There are 12 additional Tories - in parliament from Scotland.
0:03:30 > 0:03:33- Theresa May - will rely heavily on them.
0:03:33 > 0:03:39- Ruth Davidson believes - in an "open, not closed" Brexit.
0:03:39 > 0:03:44- She travelled down to London to meet - Theresa May after the election...
0:03:45 > 0:03:49- ..and told her that Brexit no longer - belonged to only the Tories.
0:03:49 > 0:03:54- The process has to be widened to - include the other political parties.
0:03:54 > 0:03:57- That suggests to me, once again...
0:03:57 > 0:04:01- ..that there will be - a greater emphasis...
0:04:01 > 0:04:04- ..on securing trade - with European countries.
0:04:05 > 0:04:07- Could there be - a second Brexit referendum...
0:04:08 > 0:04:10- ..because the situation - has changed so much?
0:04:10 > 0:04:13- I don't think so.
0:04:13 > 0:04:17- When we talk about a soft Brexit, - which is likely to happen...
0:04:17 > 0:04:19- ..what do we think it is?
0:04:19 > 0:04:23- We'll still come out - of the European Union...
0:04:23 > 0:04:26- ..we'll still leave - the Single Market.
0:04:26 > 0:04:33- That's what the Brexit supporters - continue to support...
0:04:33 > 0:04:40- ..but there will be a conditional - departure from Europe...
0:04:40 > 0:04:44- ..as they seek to secure the free - market access for our produce...
0:04:45 > 0:04:46- ..in Wales and Britain.
0:04:47 > 0:04:51- Thanks for now, Tweli. We'll talk - further about Michael Gove later.
0:04:51 > 0:04:54- We'll also talk about the DUP.
0:04:54 > 0:05:00- Alun's in Llansawel to find out - if a genetic development...
0:05:00 > 0:05:04- ..can help increase profits - for sheep farmers.
0:05:10 > 0:05:14- Pistyll Gwyn farm - is the location for the event.
0:05:14 > 0:05:18- This is the only Welsh farm that's - part of the RamCompare scheme.
0:05:18 > 0:05:22- It was set up to promote progress - in the sheep sector...
0:05:22 > 0:05:24- ..through genetic improvements.
0:05:26 > 0:05:31- The scheme aims to gather data - from farms and abattoirs...
0:05:32 > 0:05:35- ..to complete - a genetic evaluation...
0:05:35 > 0:05:40- ..and analyse the performance of ram - breeds across the United Kingdom.
0:05:43 > 0:05:46- Sion and Claire Williams - are the owners of Pistyll Gwyn.
0:05:46 > 0:05:49- They've been busy - preparing for the visit...
0:05:50 > 0:05:52- ..on their 750-acre holding.
0:05:52 > 0:05:57- They have 2,500 Aberfield sheep - and commercial Welsh ewes.
0:05:57 > 0:06:02- They also have 400 Aberfield rams.
0:06:02 > 0:06:04- This is our second year - with RamCompare.
0:06:05 > 0:06:09- The deal was to host an event - on the farm at some point...
0:06:09 > 0:06:12- ..either in the first - or second year.
0:06:12 > 0:06:14- Which breeds have you chosen?
0:06:15 > 0:06:18- It's possible to use - six different rams.
0:06:18 > 0:06:21- The six breeds are...
0:06:21 > 0:06:25- ..Charollais, Suffolk, - Texel, Meatlinc, Hampshire...
0:06:26 > 0:06:28- ..and two from one breed.
0:06:29 > 0:06:30- That makes six.
0:06:30 > 0:06:34- We chose the Meatlinc because - we hadn't tried it before.
0:06:35 > 0:06:37- We wanted to see - how it would work on our sheep.
0:06:38 > 0:06:41- The Meatlinc - is a combination of breeds.
0:06:42 > 0:06:46- Yes, that's the only breed - with a combination of all five.
0:06:46 > 0:06:51- All these breeds are available - but they suit different farms.
0:06:51 > 0:06:55- We're in Wales, other farms do it - in England and Scotland.
0:06:55 > 0:06:59- The terrain is different, - the weather is different...
0:06:59 > 0:07:03- ..and the different breeds - will perform differently...
0:07:04 > 0:07:05- ..in different places.
0:07:06 > 0:07:09- It's a chance to see which breeds - perform well in your area.
0:07:09 > 0:07:12- This is the first time - they'll go head-to-head.
0:07:13 > 0:07:16- Hopefully, the result will be - a combined breed analysis...
0:07:17 > 0:07:19- ..at the end - that the farmer can use.
0:07:19 > 0:07:23- How important is the - relationship with the abattoir...
0:07:24 > 0:07:27- ..for you and your business?
0:07:27 > 0:07:31- When they're in the abattoir, - you get the weights and grades.
0:07:31 > 0:07:33- On top of that, - they do a meat yield...
0:07:33 > 0:07:36- ..to see how much bone and meat - is on the carcass.
0:07:37 > 0:07:39- It's called RamCompare - and yet in a way...
0:07:40 > 0:07:43- ..it's the output of that ram - that's most important.
0:07:43 > 0:07:49- Absolutely. The project is the - test of the progeny of that ram.
0:07:49 > 0:07:53- When you go as a commercial sheep - farmer to buy a ram with EBVs...
0:07:54 > 0:07:56- ..effectively, you want to know...
0:07:56 > 0:07:58- ..that he's going to do - what it says on the tin.
0:07:59 > 0:08:04- I suppose the best example - we've got is...
0:08:04 > 0:08:09- ..this season we've sent our first - batch of lambs, killed at 10 weeks.
0:08:09 > 0:08:11- 16 E and 14 U grades, 19.5 kilos.
0:08:11 > 0:08:15- These are the results we want - as commercial sheep farmers.
0:08:16 > 0:08:21- It's having faith and trust in - the system that EBVs are working.
0:08:21 > 0:08:26- Looking ahead, with Brexit looming, - I pose this question to everyone...
0:08:26 > 0:08:31- ..is this part of the preparation - for a future without subsidies...
0:08:31 > 0:08:36- ..or a completely new system for - supporting farming in the future?
0:08:36 > 0:08:38- I think we need - to keep an eye out...
0:08:39 > 0:08:42- ..and make the system - as efficient as we can.
0:08:42 > 0:08:47- This is a way to choose - the best sheep from the flock...
0:08:47 > 0:08:50- ..and the best rams - to use on those sheep...
0:08:51 > 0:08:55- ..to make sure we get the best - out of the land and the stock.
0:08:58 > 0:09:03- Meat Promotion Wales is one - of the 14 partners in the project.
0:09:03 > 0:09:07- Gwawr Parry - is their development officer.
0:09:08 > 0:09:12- This is so important to the - sheep industry of Great Britain.
0:09:12 > 0:09:16- It's important that we in Wales - can influence the results...
0:09:16 > 0:09:20- ..to allow us to relate it - to the Welsh sheep industry.
0:09:20 > 0:09:22- We can also communicate - with farmers...
0:09:23 > 0:09:25- ..to help them benefit - from the information.
0:09:26 > 0:09:31- The data is so important. The - more you have, the more you want.
0:09:32 > 0:09:36- It gives you a better picture - of what works best and worst.
0:09:36 > 0:09:39- If you can get rid of the worst...
0:09:39 > 0:09:44- ..it will have an effect - on the farm's bottom line.
0:09:44 > 0:09:48- The genetic pool is available - to farmers across the country.
0:09:48 > 0:09:52- It gives them a better idea - which ones to choose...
0:09:52 > 0:09:55- ..to create the fattest lamb.
0:09:58 > 0:10:03- Five other farms outside of Wales - are part of this scheme.
0:10:04 > 0:10:06- Bridget Lloyd is the coordinator.
0:10:08 > 0:10:12- New Zealand, Australia and Ireland - have had central progeny tests...
0:10:13 > 0:10:15- ..running for a number of years.
0:10:15 > 0:10:20- That helps develop the promotion - of performance-recorded genetics.
0:10:20 > 0:10:25- In November we'll be launching - the early results...
0:10:25 > 0:10:28- ..at the sheep breeders' - round table.
0:10:28 > 0:10:32- The results will look like lists - of the top 25 sires.
0:10:32 > 0:10:34- We've tested over 70 rams.
0:10:35 > 0:10:39- We don't expect one ram to feature - at the top of every list...
0:10:39 > 0:10:42- ..because it will be - for different traits.
0:10:42 > 0:10:47- It keeps the genetic information - on these sires fresher...
0:10:47 > 0:10:50- ..and more relevant to the industry.
0:10:54 > 0:10:57- A good crowd - have gathered here today...
0:10:57 > 0:11:02- ..with Sion and Claire sharing - their experiences about the project.
0:11:02 > 0:11:05- What was the response - from the farmers?
0:11:05 > 0:11:11- We've learnt how they compare - the rams and how they've performed.
0:11:12 > 0:11:15- We can see the lambs born this year.
0:11:16 > 0:11:19- It gives you a good insight - into the job.
0:11:19 > 0:11:22- We can look forward - to buying the rams now...
0:11:23 > 0:11:25- ..and knowing what to buy.
0:11:25 > 0:11:30- A lot of work has happened, a lot - of information has been recorded.
0:11:31 > 0:11:34- As Claire said at the start...
0:11:34 > 0:11:38- ..they bought a farm - and they have to pay for it.
0:11:38 > 0:11:40- They've looked into everything.
0:11:40 > 0:11:43- It's a lot to take in - and take home with us.
0:11:44 > 0:11:50- It's been an inspiration today, - especially from Claire and Sion.
0:11:50 > 0:11:54- They're facing - a very real situation.
0:11:54 > 0:11:57- They're a couple - who were eager to farm...
0:11:58 > 0:12:02- ..and it's hard work to try - and realise a dream.
0:12:03 > 0:12:07- We have to pay attention to what - they're doing to realise that dream.
0:12:07 > 0:12:12- They way they've worked - with genetics has inspired me.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16- The farmers are happy.
0:12:16 > 0:12:20- What are Sion's plans - for the scheme and the future?
0:12:21 > 0:12:25- A lot of farmers turned up today - to learn about the project...
0:12:25 > 0:12:30- ..and see how the different rams - could work at home on their farms.
0:12:31 > 0:12:35- I'd like to think that lambing out - is the future for us.
0:12:35 > 0:12:38- Our costs rise every year - when we lamb in...
0:12:39 > 0:12:42- ..between everything - we put into these sheep...
0:12:42 > 0:12:45- ..when they're in the sheds - at winter.
0:12:45 > 0:12:51- I can't tell you what kind of - weather we should expect next year.
0:12:51 > 0:12:54- This year has been perfect - for lambing out...
0:12:54 > 0:12:59- ..but we'll try and rear sheep - we can lamb out naturally...
0:12:59 > 0:13:03- ..to try and reduce our costs - and have more lambs eventually.
0:13:04 > 0:13:07- Once we get the data back - for the two years...
0:13:07 > 0:13:09- ..what will help us...
0:13:09 > 0:13:15- ..hopefully, a breed of ram will - stand out which suits our sheep.
0:13:17 > 0:13:18- That's the ram we'll pick...
0:13:19 > 0:13:22- ..because it helps us produce - fat lambs for the abattoir.
0:13:31 > 0:13:33- That's it for now.
0:13:33 > 0:13:37- After the break, - I'll be speaking to Tweli Griffiths.
0:13:37 > 0:13:42- Will the post-election situation - benefit Welsh farmers...
0:13:42 > 0:13:44- ..as we face - the Brexit negotiations?
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0:13:58 > 0:14:00- Welcome back.
0:14:00 > 0:14:04- Coalitions and cooperation are - no strangers to Welsh politics...
0:14:04 > 0:14:08- ..from the days of Owain Glyndwr - to present-day Cardiff Bay.
0:14:08 > 0:14:10- How will it work in Westminster?
0:14:11 > 0:14:14- Theresa May will have to rely - on the support...
0:14:14 > 0:14:17- ..of 10 DUP MPs - from Northern Ireland.
0:14:17 > 0:14:23- It seems likely that they will help - her in the short-term...
0:14:23 > 0:14:28- ..but she won't be able to present - any contentious measures...
0:14:28 > 0:14:30- ..to parliament...
0:14:31 > 0:14:35- ..especially measures that wouldn't - be supported by her own MPs.
0:14:36 > 0:14:40- Only a small number of Tory MPs - need to vote against her...
0:14:40 > 0:14:44- ..and that could cause her - to lose her role as Prime Minister.
0:14:44 > 0:14:49- It's a very uncomfortable - position and she may struggle...
0:14:49 > 0:14:53- ..to push important policies - through parliament.
0:14:54 > 0:14:59- It's quite possible that we'll see - another General Election this year.
0:14:59 > 0:15:02- How supportive are the DUP - to farmers?
0:15:02 > 0:15:06- They are supportive since - agriculture is so important...
0:15:07 > 0:15:10- ..to the people - of Northern Ireland.
0:15:10 > 0:15:14- They are likely to support - a soft Brexit...
0:15:14 > 0:15:17- ..because they don't want - a hard border...
0:15:18 > 0:15:22- ..between Northern Ireland - and the Republic of Ireland.
0:15:22 > 0:15:25- They want that freedom of trade - to continue.
0:15:25 > 0:15:30- They're likely to be an influence - in terms of a soft Brexit.
0:15:32 > 0:15:38- Things could arise to cause - friction between the DUP and May.
0:15:38 > 0:15:41- Then we'd see a problem.
0:15:41 > 0:15:45- The new minister, Michael Gove, - is he a farmer's friend?
0:15:45 > 0:15:48- I don't think we know yet.
0:15:48 > 0:15:54- He's a talented man, he's a man - that can master a brief very well.
0:15:54 > 0:15:57- He's a man that likes - to change things.
0:15:57 > 0:16:02- He caused havoc as David Cameron's - education minister.
0:16:02 > 0:16:07- He incensed unions, teachers - and local authorities.
0:16:07 > 0:16:09- In the end, - he was removed from his job...
0:16:09 > 0:16:12- ..because he risked losing - support for the Tories.
0:16:13 > 0:16:17- We don't know yet - what he'll do in Defra.
0:16:17 > 0:16:21- He doesn't have - an agricultural background...
0:16:21 > 0:16:25- ..but he will certainly master - the brief he's just been handed.
0:16:26 > 0:16:29- What he'll make of that, - I really don't think we know yet.
0:16:29 > 0:16:31- And the most important question.
0:16:32 > 0:16:37- Does the future look bright - for Welsh farmers?
0:16:37 > 0:16:41- Is there hope - or is it time to worry?
0:16:42 > 0:16:49- I think farmers had cause to worry - after the European referendum...
0:16:49 > 0:16:53- ..because there were fears - about the market...
0:16:53 > 0:16:57- ..for Welsh farmers' produce - in the rest of Europe.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02- I'm now more hopeful for - the interests of Welsh farmers...
0:17:03 > 0:17:05- ..because a new emphasis - will be put...
0:17:06 > 0:17:09- ..on securing that market - for our produce.
0:17:09 > 0:17:13- On the whole, I think farmers - will be more hopeful...
0:17:13 > 0:17:15- ..after that last election.
0:17:15 > 0:17:19- As things stand now, - is the right political party...
0:17:19 > 0:17:23- ..for Welsh farmers - governing in Westminster?
0:17:23 > 0:17:26- That's a huge question.
0:17:27 > 0:17:31- If you look at manifestos of - the parties during the campaign...
0:17:31 > 0:17:35- ..there was little difference - between them in truth.
0:17:36 > 0:17:43- I don't think farmers can show faith - in one party more than another.
0:17:43 > 0:17:46- I think that any party - in government...
0:17:46 > 0:17:50- ..has to accept the reality - of the Brexit negotiations.
0:17:50 > 0:17:55- The priority now is to ensure - that farmers' interests...
0:17:55 > 0:17:57- ..are given enough attention.
0:17:58 > 0:18:03- That's true for whatever party will - be in government in a year's time.
0:18:04 > 0:18:05- Thank you, Tweli.
0:18:05 > 0:18:08- There's been a lot of stories - in the press...
0:18:08 > 0:18:11- ..about supermarkets - buying cheap imports.
0:18:11 > 0:18:14- Have they finally realised - the importance...
0:18:15 > 0:18:17- ..of supporting local produce?
0:18:20 > 0:18:25- Only half of the food - eaten in the United Kingdom...
0:18:26 > 0:18:31- ..is produced by our farmers - according to a British Food report.
0:18:32 > 0:18:34- This is a cause for concern - for many...
0:18:34 > 0:18:37- ..especially with - the uncertainty of Brexit.
0:18:41 > 0:18:45- I'm here at Llanarth Village Hall - near Abergavenny...
0:18:45 > 0:18:48- ..to find out if there's light - at the end of the tunnel...
0:18:48 > 0:18:50- ..for local food producers in Wales.
0:18:54 > 0:18:58- Morrisons are searching for the best - local producers to feed the country.
0:18:59 > 0:19:04- The United Kingdom should be more - self-sufficient in food production.
0:19:04 > 0:19:08- The manager of the Abergavenny - branch is Blair Havard.
0:19:08 > 0:19:12- Customers were asking us - to sell more local produce.
0:19:13 > 0:19:19- 70 Welsh food producers asked us - if we could stock their products.
0:19:21 > 0:19:23- The 16 finalists - are here with us today.
0:19:24 > 0:19:29- Our customers are tasting their - food and scoring the produce.
0:19:29 > 0:19:33- From there, we'll decide - which product to stock.
0:19:33 > 0:19:36- There's also an interview - with the buyer after this.
0:19:36 > 0:19:41- In about 12 weeks' time, these - products could be on the shelf.
0:19:43 > 0:19:48- We export 18bn's worth of food - and import 39bn's worth of food.
0:19:49 > 0:19:52- There's definitely room here - for more local producers.
0:19:52 > 0:19:56- One producer hoping to sell - to this supermarket...
0:19:56 > 0:19:59- ..is Amanda Tidey - from Preseli Bluestone Meats.
0:20:01 > 0:20:03- Since we are a small company...
0:20:04 > 0:20:07- ..it's difficult for us - to meet our customers.
0:20:08 > 0:20:13- To have an opportunity like this - to showcase our produce...
0:20:14 > 0:20:18- ..for the public, - we hope it will be excellent.
0:20:18 > 0:20:20- What's the response been like?
0:20:21 > 0:20:26- We've heard so many good things said - about our food.
0:20:26 > 0:20:30- That's given us confidence to - believe we're doing something right.
0:20:30 > 0:20:34- We're happy that we can offer - something to the public.
0:20:35 > 0:20:38- With the uncertainty of Brexit - at the moment...
0:20:39 > 0:20:45- ..we hope we'll have the opportunity - to sell Welsh pork in supermarkets.
0:20:45 > 0:20:48- A lot of pork is currently imported.
0:20:52 > 0:20:58- Two thirds of the shops Morrisons - interviewed for their research...
0:20:59 > 0:21:03- ..stated that they would rather buy - British produce where possible.
0:21:03 > 0:21:08- Cig Calon Cymru are hoping to - supply meat to the supermarket.
0:21:09 > 0:21:14- It feels like it's been - a successful day.
0:21:14 > 0:21:19- People have been very positive, - they've shown a lot of interest...
0:21:19 > 0:21:23- ..in the produce, the business - and the business location.
0:21:24 > 0:21:26- But you don't know - - is it something they want?
0:21:27 > 0:21:31- How much of a difference - could this make to your business?
0:21:31 > 0:21:35- A huge difference - in terms of prestige...
0:21:35 > 0:21:38- ..to get a foot in the door - of a supermarket.
0:21:38 > 0:21:43- It makes people think that you're - a company that's worth dealing with.
0:21:44 > 0:21:47- When you're in with one, - it might open the door to another.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50- Yes, it's very important.
0:21:50 > 0:21:53- How difficult has it been - getting that one foot in the door?
0:21:54 > 0:22:00- It's very difficult, unless you have - that something they really want.
0:22:03 > 0:22:09- Lowri Thomas from Gwella, travelled - from Llanfarian, Aberystwyth.
0:22:09 > 0:22:12- What are your impressions - of the event?
0:22:12 > 0:22:14- It's been good.
0:22:16 > 0:22:20- Even if we don't get - our opportunity with Morrisons...
0:22:20 > 0:22:25- ..it's a chance to get people from - a different area to try the produce.
0:22:25 > 0:22:28- It spreads the word - about the produce.
0:22:29 > 0:22:31- It's an unique product.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33- Yes, and that's the response today.
0:22:34 > 0:22:38- A lot of people have told us - they haven't see this before.
0:22:38 > 0:22:41- They've never tasted cured lamb.
0:22:41 > 0:22:48- Following Brexit, is it more - important to try something new?
0:22:48 > 0:22:50- I think it is.
0:22:51 > 0:22:55- If we have to pay a premium - to import something from Europe...
0:22:56 > 0:23:01- ..we have to look closer to home - for that produce.
0:23:02 > 0:23:06- Making different products - from Welsh lamb...
0:23:06 > 0:23:09- ..will benefit all farmers in Wales.
0:23:14 > 0:23:16- That's all for this week.
0:23:16 > 0:23:20- We're back at the same time - next week. Goodbye.
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