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0:00:06 > 0:00:08- Women influence every part - of agricultural life...
0:00:09 > 0:00:12- ..but sometimes, they don't get - the acknowledgement they deserve.
0:00:13 > 0:00:16- Is there equality for men and women - in the agricultural world?
0:00:17 > 0:00:19- Is there a change in attitudes - on the horizon?
0:00:20 > 0:00:23- We'll discuss the matter further - during the programme.
0:00:29 > 0:00:33- Also on the programme, - Daloni visits Carmel, Llanrwst...
0:00:33 > 0:00:38- ..to see how one family has halved - its time in the milking parlour.
0:00:38 > 0:00:43- And Meinir visits Sennybridge - to see how horses are being used...
0:00:43 > 0:00:46- ..for bracken bashing.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51- There's been a lot - of recent debate...
0:00:51 > 0:00:55- ..comparing the status - of men and women in the workplace.
0:00:55 > 0:00:59- Women receive a lower salary - than men for the same work.
0:00:59 > 0:01:01- Men also tend to be given - better jobs.
0:01:02 > 0:01:05- What's the situation - in the agricultural world?
0:01:05 > 0:01:08- How has the role of women - changed over the years?
0:01:08 > 0:01:12- It's definitely better - than it was in the old days...
0:01:12 > 0:01:14- ..but there is a long way to go.
0:01:14 > 0:01:18- I don't want to see another - generation of women missing out.
0:01:19 > 0:01:22- It was a very different situation - years ago.
0:01:22 > 0:01:26- Personally, I don't believe - there is an issue now...
0:01:26 > 0:01:29- ..with women - feeling under-appreciated.
0:01:29 > 0:01:34- I'm part of a generation - where all genders are respected.
0:01:34 > 0:01:39- We need a lot of people to say, "No, - we need more women in the industry."
0:01:39 > 0:01:41- We need to work harder on that.
0:01:41 > 0:01:46- According to the latest figures, - almost 25,000 women manage farms.
0:01:47 > 0:01:51- That's 28% of the farming workforce - across Britain.
0:01:51 > 0:01:55- Let's consider the situation - of women in agriculture.
0:01:55 > 0:01:59- Lesley Griffiths is the - Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture.
0:01:59 > 0:02:03- She wants to see more women - leading the industry.
0:02:03 > 0:02:07- Professor Christianne Glossop is - the UK's Chief Veterinary Officer.
0:02:07 > 0:02:11- There are many other women - prominent in the industry...
0:02:11 > 0:02:16- ..but only men have ever risen to - become presidents of the unions...
0:02:16 > 0:02:19- ..or chaired Meat Promotion Wales - since their inception.
0:02:20 > 0:02:23- In the Royal Welsh Show, - the FUW held a seminar...
0:02:23 > 0:02:27- ..on the changing role of women - in agriculture.
0:02:28 > 0:02:31- Baroness Eluned Morgan - led the debate.
0:02:31 > 0:02:35- Women influence every part - of agricultural life...
0:02:35 > 0:02:39- ..but sometimes, they don't get - the acknowledgement they deserve.
0:02:40 > 0:02:43- Today has shown that they want - the acknowledgement...
0:02:43 > 0:02:45- ..but often, they don't get it.
0:02:46 > 0:02:49- Today, the FUW have organised - this seminar...
0:02:50 > 0:02:52- ..to focus on the issue.
0:02:52 > 0:02:55- There's a call on the unions - to step up...
0:02:55 > 0:03:00- ..and ensure that women's voices - are heard on their committees.
0:03:01 > 0:03:04- Women need the confidence - to move forward.
0:03:04 > 0:03:07- Women work hard to raise a family.
0:03:07 > 0:03:12- It's not easy to attend meetings - at night because of certain issues.
0:03:12 > 0:03:15- Hopefully, the women - who want to contribute...
0:03:15 > 0:03:17- ..have the opportunity to do so.
0:03:17 > 0:03:23- More women are attending - agriculture courses than men.
0:03:24 > 0:03:26- That's a significant factor.
0:03:26 > 0:03:31- We had a lot of women here - at the top of the industry.
0:03:31 > 0:03:35- There's a long way still to go, - but it's starting to come.
0:03:35 > 0:03:40- At the Show, NFU Wales presented - the 2017 Welsh Woman Farmer award.
0:03:40 > 0:03:46- Victoria Shervington-Jones - is a poultry farmer from Newport.
0:03:47 > 0:03:50- Sioned Lloyd works for the NFU - in Llanrwst.
0:03:51 > 0:03:53- It all started 21 years ago.
0:03:53 > 0:03:57- The original idea was to - promote women in agriculture...
0:03:58 > 0:04:01- ..and the agriculture industry - in general.
0:04:01 > 0:04:06- Men were dominating the industry - at the time.
0:04:07 > 0:04:12- Have you seen the situation changing - over the past 21 years?
0:04:12 > 0:04:17- Yes, to be honest. A lot of women - are part of the industry right now.
0:04:18 > 0:04:22- They've realised that they can - run agricultural businesses.
0:04:22 > 0:04:25- More women have joined the industry.
0:04:25 > 0:04:28- The fact that the award - is given every year...
0:04:28 > 0:04:31- ..encourages women - to join the industry...
0:04:31 > 0:04:34- ..and shows that they can - succeed in the industry.
0:04:34 > 0:04:40- Olwen Ford from Llanfrothen - is a beef and sheep farmer.
0:04:40 > 0:04:44- She runs the farm - while her husband is an electrician.
0:04:44 > 0:04:48- Tell me more about your route - to agriculture.
0:04:49 > 0:04:52- I'm lucky to be a farmer's daughter.
0:04:52 > 0:04:57- I had an older brother - who was given first refusal.
0:04:57 > 0:05:01- I went to Glynllifon and at that - time, girls learnt how to type...
0:05:02 > 0:05:04- ..sew, knit...
0:05:05 > 0:05:07- ..and cook.
0:05:08 > 0:05:11- These days, - they don't have to do that.
0:05:11 > 0:05:16- It was obvious at that time you were - trained to become a farmer's wife.
0:05:16 > 0:05:19- We did some work - with cattle and sheep...
0:05:19 > 0:05:24- ..but there was a feeling that - you were becoming a farmer's wife.
0:05:24 > 0:05:31- Is there any difference in the way - a woman is treated at the mart...
0:05:31 > 0:05:34- ..in terms of the price paid?
0:05:34 > 0:05:38- Not really. It's down to the way - you deal with the stock.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41- You'd expect the same price - on a flock of sheep.
0:05:41 > 0:05:44- I've done better with cattle...
0:05:44 > 0:05:48- ..but that's down to the way - they've been handled...
0:05:48 > 0:05:50- ..and not because I'm a woman.
0:05:51 > 0:05:56- It depends on the mart. The attitude - of the auctioneer make a difference.
0:05:56 > 0:06:01- There are some marts where - you know you'll have a hard time...
0:06:01 > 0:06:03- ..just because you're a woman.
0:06:03 > 0:06:06- What about the future, Olwen?
0:06:06 > 0:06:11- Do you feel we've moved on in terms - of the woman's role in agriculture?
0:06:11 > 0:06:13- Is there still some way to go?
0:06:14 > 0:06:16- The Assembly needs to move on this.
0:06:17 > 0:06:19- They phone up and ask - to speak to Mr Ford.
0:06:20 > 0:06:24- He tells them they need to speak - to Mrs Ford about the farm!
0:06:24 > 0:06:28- Letters are addressed to Mr Ford. - The contact name is Olwen Ford.
0:06:28 > 0:06:31- You'd expect them to know - that Olwen is a woman.
0:06:31 > 0:06:36- Anwen Hughes from Llanarth started - farming after leaving school.
0:06:36 > 0:06:39- She's the - FUW Ceredigion County Chair...
0:06:39 > 0:06:43- ..and part of Farming Connect's - Women in Agriculture Forum.
0:06:44 > 0:06:45- Hello, Anwen. How are you?
0:06:45 > 0:06:46- Hello, Anwen. How are you?- - Very good.
0:06:47 > 0:06:50- Women in agriculture. - You're one of them.
0:06:50 > 0:06:54- You're very prominent. - How did you get into agriculture?
0:06:55 > 0:06:58- I've always had an interest - in agriculture.
0:06:58 > 0:07:04- After having a fourth child, - childcare was becoming a burden.
0:07:04 > 0:07:10- I decided to return to farming - and send my husband out to work.
0:07:12 > 0:07:17- You've broken up - the traditional roles of farming.
0:07:17 > 0:07:24- What happens at home? - Who cooks? Who irons?
0:07:24 > 0:07:27- Me. I do the housework - and paperwork.
0:07:27 > 0:07:32- I also look after the day-to-day - management of the farm.
0:07:32 > 0:07:39- From your experience, in an industry - that's still dominated by men...
0:07:39 > 0:07:42- ..how have you felt over the years?
0:07:45 > 0:07:49- I've found it quite challenging - in some ways...
0:07:49 > 0:07:52- ..to prove that I know - what I'm doing...
0:07:52 > 0:07:56- ..and gain respect - from other farmers.
0:07:56 > 0:08:01- When you look at the movers and - shakers from within the industry...
0:08:01 > 0:08:05- ..is it a true reflection of gender - in the agriculture industry?
0:08:06 > 0:08:08- Unfortunately, no. - It's male-dominated.
0:08:09 > 0:08:13- That's the pity with the FUW.
0:08:13 > 0:08:18- It's quite sexist, - if I'm allowed to say that.
0:08:20 > 0:08:22- There is a place for women - to come in.
0:08:22 > 0:08:26- Women are pushing their way in - slowly.
0:08:28 > 0:08:34- When you sell stock, do you hear - any comments from the men?
0:08:35 > 0:08:40- I take store sheep and older sheep - to Crymych and Cardigan.
0:08:42 > 0:08:45- They see me coming - and they praise me every time.
0:08:45 > 0:08:47- They always give me a warm welcome.
0:08:50 > 0:08:56- How does the future look for you, - in terms of women?
0:08:56 > 0:09:00- Things have changed but - have they changed for the better?
0:09:01 > 0:09:03- Yes, things have changed.
0:09:03 > 0:09:06- Yes, that change has been - for the better...
0:09:06 > 0:09:08- ..but that change is taking time.
0:09:08 > 0:09:11- There's a place for us - to prove ourselves again.
0:09:12 > 0:09:16- Women are able to do the work - and with mechanisation...
0:09:17 > 0:09:21- ..there's no reason - why we can't do a lot of things.
0:09:21 > 0:09:25- If you have sensible systems - to deal with cattle...
0:09:25 > 0:09:28- ..there's no reason - why a woman can't do a man's job.
0:09:29 > 0:09:32- The days of having to be strong - to succeed have gone.
0:09:32 > 0:09:34- Ability is far more important.
0:09:35 > 0:09:38- It doesn't matter - if you're a man or a woman.
0:09:42 > 0:09:44- Like every other industry...
0:09:44 > 0:09:48- ..there are inconsistencies - in the way women are treated...
0:09:49 > 0:09:50- ..but there is no sexism...
0:09:51 > 0:09:54- ..in the price of a litre of milk - or an animal in the mart.
0:09:55 > 0:09:58- It can be argued - that salary levels are fairer.
0:09:58 > 0:10:02- After the break, we find out - how a 250,000 investment...
0:10:02 > 0:10:06- ..has changed the lives - of one family from Llanrwst.
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0:10:17 > 0:10:21- Cutting costs - and lightening the workload.
0:10:21 > 0:10:27- Those are two main aims of farmers - we've spoken to on Ffermio.
0:10:27 > 0:10:30- Making farming and life easier.
0:10:30 > 0:10:35- Two brothers in the Conwy Valley - have done just that.
0:10:35 > 0:10:37- They've created a system...
0:10:38 > 0:10:42- ..where they halve - the time it takes to milk every day.
0:10:46 > 0:10:49- Llwyn Goronwy Farm, - Carmel, Llanrwst...
0:10:49 > 0:10:52- ..is home - for Gareth and Elgan Evans.
0:10:52 > 0:10:55- The brothers are the third - generation here.
0:10:55 > 0:10:58- They farm 400 acres in total.
0:10:58 > 0:11:03- Father Brynmor used to keep - 500 sheep and milk 80 cattle.
0:11:03 > 0:11:09- To support two families, they had to - make changes to the farming system.
0:11:11 > 0:11:15- They increased their Holstein herd, - initially to 150.
0:11:15 > 0:11:19- In 2012, they decided - to go for it in earnest.
0:11:20 > 0:11:24- They changed their milking system, - built tracks across the farm...
0:11:24 > 0:11:27- ..and almost doubled the herd - to 280 cattle.
0:11:28 > 0:11:32- Why did you change - your milking system?
0:11:33 > 0:11:37- We were looking to improve - our profitability...
0:11:37 > 0:11:41- ..and make better use of the land - we have here.
0:11:41 > 0:11:44- We wanted to make better use - of the grass we grow here.
0:11:44 > 0:11:46- We felt we weren't doing so - at the time.
0:11:46 > 0:11:48- What kind of system is this?
0:11:49 > 0:11:51- It originated in New Zealand.
0:11:51 > 0:11:54- They calve during springtime, - within 12 weeks.
0:11:54 > 0:11:56- Have the cattle changed?
0:11:56 > 0:12:02- They're a lot smaller, - they used to be around 750 kilos.
0:12:03 > 0:12:06- The cattle we have now - are 550 kilos mature weight.
0:12:06 > 0:12:10- Why have you gone - for a different type?
0:12:10 > 0:12:13- It's a more fertile animal.
0:12:13 > 0:12:17- It can calve to a tighter schedule.
0:12:17 > 0:12:21- Because of the farm's landscape, - there's a long way to walk.
0:12:21 > 0:12:25- We're 800ft above sea level here - and the farm rises to 1,100ft.
0:12:25 > 0:12:29- You need a fitter cow - to walk around.
0:12:30 > 0:12:34- I saw farms in New Zealand - using this system on similar farms.
0:12:34 > 0:12:35- We decided to give it a go.
0:12:36 > 0:12:38- How many litres do you produce?
0:12:38 > 0:12:40- About 6,000.
0:12:40 > 0:12:43- We used to produce 9,500.
0:12:43 > 0:12:45- That's a huge difference.
0:12:46 > 0:12:49- We keep a lot more cattle - per hectare.
0:12:49 > 0:12:53- The land produces more milk - per acre.
0:12:53 > 0:12:56- We're more concerned with - the yield of the land than the cow.
0:12:57 > 0:13:01- Is the quality of the milk better?
0:13:01 > 0:13:05- Yes, the protein levels - and fat content have risen.
0:13:05 > 0:13:09- Less milk is being produced - by each cow...
0:13:10 > 0:13:13- ..you're still better off - financially.
0:13:13 > 0:13:14- Yes, in a way.
0:13:14 > 0:13:18- We don't spend so much - on concentrates for the cow.
0:13:18 > 0:13:20- It's milk from the land.
0:13:20 > 0:13:26- The two brothers received a subsidy - from the New Entrants scheme.
0:13:26 > 0:13:32- My brother and I were partners in - the business and we were under 40.
0:13:32 > 0:13:38- We had up to 15,000 - in grant money to spend.
0:13:38 > 0:13:43- We constructed tracks - for every field...
0:13:43 > 0:13:49- ..and renewed the water tanks - for every field.
0:13:49 > 0:13:53- How does it work in terms - of the value of the milk...
0:13:53 > 0:13:57- ..since you calve all the cattle - at the same time?
0:13:58 > 0:14:03- Well, yes, we concentrate - on the cost of producing the milk.
0:14:04 > 0:14:07- That's why we calve - during the spring.
0:14:08 > 0:14:10- We're getting value from the grass.
0:14:10 > 0:14:13- We have the grass on the farm.
0:14:13 > 0:14:17- When you need cake, - you know you'll have to pay for it.
0:14:17 > 0:14:22- You need to secure a good price - for the rest of the year.
0:14:22 > 0:14:26- You won't get any income from milk - for 12 weeks.
0:14:28 > 0:14:32- Well, yes, you average out the year - when you're doing your sums.
0:14:35 > 0:14:38- That works better for you - in Llwyn Goronwy.
0:14:38 > 0:14:42- Yes, it doesn't suit everyone - but it suits our farm.
0:14:44 > 0:14:46- There's a lot - of sloping land here...
0:14:47 > 0:14:50- ..and it's easier - for the cattle to graze there...
0:14:50 > 0:14:54- ..than if we have to go on it - with heavy machinery.
0:14:56 > 0:15:00- Even though the system has been - simplified and works well...
0:15:00 > 0:15:03- ..it was still time-consuming.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06- It used to take eight hours a day - to milk.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10- Most of the working day - was spent in the milking parlour.
0:15:10 > 0:15:13- To improve profitability...
0:15:14 > 0:15:17- ..they had to look - for a different milking parlour.
0:15:17 > 0:15:22- After an investment of 250,000, - about 1,000 per cow...
0:15:22 > 0:15:25- ..and new parlour was constructed.
0:15:25 > 0:15:29- We did a lot of research work, - we looked at every robot system.
0:15:32 > 0:15:36- When we made proper enquiries - and invited the reps here...
0:15:37 > 0:15:40- ..that's when the seed was sown - for the rotary system.
0:15:40 > 0:15:43- We wanted a long - herringbone system...
0:15:43 > 0:15:46- ..but that would have required - two people to man it.
0:15:47 > 0:15:49- We finally chose the rotary system.
0:15:49 > 0:15:51- It's a huge investment.
0:15:52 > 0:15:53- Yes, it was.
0:15:53 > 0:15:57- We felt it was a 20-year investment - for the future.
0:15:58 > 0:16:04- We've been guilty in the past - of working to a small scale.
0:16:04 > 0:16:08- This parlour is big enough - to milk 400 cattle.
0:16:10 > 0:16:13- That might happen in the future, - we don't know.
0:16:14 > 0:16:18- If you're saving five hours - of manpower a day...
0:16:18 > 0:16:21- ..that's 35 hours a week.
0:16:22 > 0:16:24- That's one yearly salary.
0:16:24 > 0:16:27- Yes, when you look at it like that.
0:16:29 > 0:16:33- They spend much less on salaries - at Llwyn Goronwy these days.
0:16:33 > 0:16:39- Gareth and Elgan are free to do - some contracting work after calving.
0:16:40 > 0:16:43- Have your lives changed?
0:16:43 > 0:16:47- Yes. On the weekends, - we're done by 6.30pm.
0:16:48 > 0:16:50- We used to work until 8.00pm.
0:16:50 > 0:16:53- There's more time for other things.
0:16:53 > 0:16:56- Can you see a brighter future, - Gareth?
0:16:57 > 0:17:02- We hope so. We try out best. Dad - established the business years ago.
0:17:02 > 0:17:06- We're trying to take - the business forward.
0:17:07 > 0:17:09- We hope we can pass it on - to the next generation.
0:17:09 > 0:17:14- I have two boys. Who knows - what they want to do in the future?
0:17:18 > 0:17:22- Bracken is a huge problem - for conservationists and farmers.
0:17:22 > 0:17:27- Natural Resources Wales - has found a different method...
0:17:27 > 0:17:29- ..to control this troublesome plant.
0:17:34 > 0:17:38- At the Craig Cerrig-Gleisiad - National Reserve in Sennybridge...
0:17:38 > 0:17:40- ..bracken has spread - across the land.
0:17:41 > 0:17:45- To avoid using chemicals - and heavy machinery...
0:17:45 > 0:17:49- ..the reserve decided to use - a natural method.
0:17:49 > 0:17:51- According to Natural - Resources Wales...
0:17:52 > 0:17:55- ..one of the most effective ways - of controlling bracken...
0:17:55 > 0:18:01- ..is a workhorse and a roller - to bruise the stems.
0:18:01 > 0:18:06- One of the problems we have here is - controlling the bracken on the site.
0:18:07 > 0:18:09- It's worsened - over the past few years.
0:18:09 > 0:18:14- I think it's a problem across Wales - in upland areas.
0:18:14 > 0:18:18- With less cattle in upland areas, - it made the situation worse.
0:18:18 > 0:18:22- The bracken tends to grow over - other plants.
0:18:22 > 0:18:26- We've recorded over 500 - different plants on this site...
0:18:27 > 0:18:30- ..but the bracken - is taking over the site.
0:18:30 > 0:18:34- We're using the machinery - you can see behind us.
0:18:35 > 0:18:38- It bruises the bracken stems.
0:18:38 > 0:18:41- It goes over the bracken - like some kind of roller...
0:18:41 > 0:18:45- ..and that releases sap - from the plant.
0:18:45 > 0:18:48- That can be more effective - than cutting the bracken.
0:18:49 > 0:18:51- If you cut it, - it grows back even stronger.
0:18:51 > 0:18:54- When we bruise the bracken...
0:18:54 > 0:18:57- ..the plant will weaken - over the years...
0:18:58 > 0:19:02- ..and it gives other plants - the chance to grow underneath.
0:19:02 > 0:19:04- How many acres can you cover?
0:19:04 > 0:19:07- About ten acres a day - using four horses.
0:19:07 > 0:19:12- It's not a lot, but it's a lot - when you're only using horses.
0:19:12 > 0:19:17- Is there a difference between - using a horse, as we are today...
0:19:17 > 0:19:20- ..and using a motorbike - and a weed wiper?
0:19:20 > 0:19:24- Horses can walk on slopes - that are a lot steeper.
0:19:25 > 0:19:28- It wouldn't be safe for a motorbike.
0:19:28 > 0:19:32- This is also a nature reserve.
0:19:32 > 0:19:36- We're trying to move away - from using chemicals if we can.
0:19:37 > 0:19:40- When we use the horses, - people come and see us at work.
0:19:40 > 0:19:46- Hundreds, if not thousands, - visit this site every year.
0:19:47 > 0:19:48- By doing this work, it helps people.
0:19:49 > 0:19:52- It provides better access - along the paths...
0:19:52 > 0:19:57- ..and it attracts people - from the cities to the countryside.
0:19:57 > 0:20:01- That's great for mental health - and physical health.
0:20:02 > 0:20:06- How much of a reduction have you - seen in the number of animals...
0:20:07 > 0:20:11- ..grazing on the site, - be they horses, sheep or cattle?
0:20:11 > 0:20:15- Overgrazing can be as much - of a problem as no grazing at all.
0:20:15 > 0:20:20- We see areas where the growth - of bracken increases every year...
0:20:20 > 0:20:25- ..and we lose the presence of cattle - from the upland areas.
0:20:26 > 0:20:33- Gethin Havard from Llwynrhys farms - some of the nature reserve's land.
0:20:34 > 0:20:38- We've battled the growth - of bracken for centuries...
0:20:39 > 0:20:41- ..to limit it in order to grow food.
0:20:41 > 0:20:45- Naturally, it grows on dry land...
0:20:45 > 0:20:48- ..land we could be utilising.
0:20:48 > 0:20:53- As we keep less and less animals - in the mountains, problems increase.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56- It is a cause for concern.
0:20:57 > 0:21:00- It's poisonous, - it can harm animals...
0:21:00 > 0:21:02- ..it can harm people too.
0:21:02 > 0:21:06- We need to try and solve - this problem if we can.
0:21:06 > 0:21:14- How much has the level of bracken - changed in your time as a farmer?
0:21:14 > 0:21:18- The situation changed when - the quality of the land improved.
0:21:18 > 0:21:21- This land wasn't grazed - for 15 years.
0:21:21 > 0:21:23- It was burnt twice.
0:21:24 > 0:21:26- The trees grew back - and we'll be back...
0:21:27 > 0:21:32- ..in the great forest of Brecknock - soon as we were centuries ago...
0:21:32 > 0:21:35- ..before man interfered - with the land.
0:21:35 > 0:21:38- The bracken is spreading, - as you can see.
0:21:38 > 0:21:43- Unfortunately, we don't have enough - animals to tread on the bracken...
0:21:44 > 0:21:45- ..and bruise it.
0:21:46 > 0:21:49- How much of a difference - have you seen so far?
0:21:49 > 0:21:51- We've seen a huge difference.
0:21:51 > 0:21:55- In the areas - where bracken has been bruised...
0:21:55 > 0:21:58- ..you can see other plants - appearing already.
0:21:59 > 0:22:03- It gives them more of a chance - to grow over the next few years.
0:22:03 > 0:22:05- Is it something any farmer can do?
0:22:06 > 0:22:08- It's something any farmer can do.
0:22:08 > 0:22:12- If you have mountain land - where bracken is a problem...
0:22:12 > 0:22:16- ..farmers can use - the same method effectively.
0:22:16 > 0:22:19- The scheme has only just started.
0:22:19 > 0:22:24- What is Gethin's view on the method - Natural Resources Wales uses...
0:22:25 > 0:22:27- ..to control the problem?
0:22:27 > 0:22:29- We've turned back the clock.
0:22:30 > 0:22:34- There will be an expense. I'm not - sure how effective it will be.
0:22:34 > 0:22:38- I don't think - this is the way forward, personally.
0:22:39 > 0:22:43- Sheep can control - their environment.
0:22:43 > 0:22:46- Unfortunately, - no sheep have grazed here...
0:22:47 > 0:22:49- ..for 25 years.
0:22:50 > 0:22:55- If you introduced sheep now, - ticks could be a problem.
0:22:55 > 0:22:59- Ticks tend to live in bracken - and they could infect sheep.
0:22:59 > 0:23:04- It is a problem. Ultimately, if - bracken takes hold in this area...
0:23:04 > 0:23:06- ..nothing else will grow.
0:23:06 > 0:23:10- You must find an effective way - of controlling bracken.
0:23:10 > 0:23:15- Otherwise, you'll struggle - to attract walkers...
0:23:15 > 0:23:17- ..and produce food here.
0:23:21 > 0:23:25- We've already seen the problems - that arise because of bracken.
0:23:25 > 0:23:28- There's been a lot of debate - about keeping the balance...
0:23:29 > 0:23:31- ..between conservation - and food production.
0:23:31 > 0:23:35- We'll tackle this issue further - later in the series.
0:23:35 > 0:23:38- Until next time, - thanks for your company.
0:23:38 > 0:23:40- Cheerio.
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