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0:00:06 > 0:00:10- TB is an issue that causes concern - for many Welsh farmers.
0:00:10 > 0:00:14- The Welsh Government - has published its latest plan...
0:00:15 > 0:00:17- ..to tackle the problem.
0:00:17 > 0:00:20- What does it mean for farmers?
0:00:30 > 0:00:35- I'll be asking the Cabinet Secretary - for Environment and Rural Affairs...
0:00:35 > 0:00:38- ..Lesley Griffiths, about the plan.
0:00:38 > 0:00:42- I'll also catch up with - Christianne Glossop and the unions.
0:00:42 > 0:00:46- Daloni will hear about - a new enterprise for young farmers.
0:00:46 > 0:00:52- Alun visits one family hoping to see - a rise in popularity for goat meat.
0:00:58 > 0:01:03- The Welsh Government published its - TB eradication plan nine years ago.
0:01:03 > 0:01:06- Since then, - we've had numerous updates.
0:01:06 > 0:01:10- How effective - has the Government's efforts been?
0:01:10 > 0:01:15- The disease continues - to destroy lives and businesses.
0:01:16 > 0:01:20- The level of TB in Wales - has remained constant.
0:01:20 > 0:01:24- There's been a reduction - in the number of herds affected...
0:01:24 > 0:01:29- ..since 2012, but the number - of cattle killed in the past year...
0:01:30 > 0:01:33- ..is 22% higher - than the previous year.
0:01:33 > 0:01:37- Following hours of debate - in the National Assembly...
0:01:37 > 0:01:40- ..what are their plans - to tackle the problem?
0:01:41 > 0:01:45- We'll start those action plans and - that will be part of the process.
0:01:45 > 0:01:48- It's important we have - an eradication programme.
0:01:48 > 0:01:50- We want a TB-free Wales.
0:01:50 > 0:01:53- I went out to consultation - following a statement last October.
0:01:53 > 0:01:58- One area we're taking forward - is the regionalisation approach.
0:01:58 > 0:02:01- Many people wanted that, - some people didn't.
0:02:01 > 0:02:03- I think it's the right approach.
0:02:03 > 0:02:07- The low incidents area - will be able to declare TB free...
0:02:07 > 0:02:09- ..in the short term.
0:02:09 > 0:02:12- That will send out - a positive message.
0:02:12 > 0:02:16- There will be farmers who won't - have had TB. Is it fair for them?
0:02:16 > 0:02:19- That's something - we would have to monitor.
0:02:20 > 0:02:24- We looked at whether we should have - an annual delivery plan.
0:02:24 > 0:02:27- I think the delivery plan - should be flexible...
0:02:27 > 0:02:30- ..and something - we monitor carefully.
0:02:30 > 0:02:32- If that is the case, - we can react to it.
0:02:32 > 0:02:36- Looking at the cap of 5,000 - in compensation per animal...
0:02:36 > 0:02:40- ..this will have a dramatic effect - on pedigree herds.
0:02:40 > 0:02:45- We looked at the difference it would - have made on last year's figures.
0:02:45 > 0:02:49- It would have affected 1% - of the compensation.
0:02:49 > 0:02:51- We have to do something - to save funding.
0:02:52 > 0:02:54- Some of our funding budget - comes from the EU.
0:02:55 > 0:02:57- We won't have that - in a few years' time.
0:02:57 > 0:03:01- If people are concerned - about pedigree cattle...
0:03:01 > 0:03:04- ..they can insure them and - I know it's at a very early stage...
0:03:05 > 0:03:07- ..but that's something - they can look at.
0:03:08 > 0:03:10- Following today's announcement...
0:03:10 > 0:03:15- ..what are the views of the unions - about the Government's plans?
0:03:15 > 0:03:18- They have listened - to what we asked them to do.
0:03:18 > 0:03:20- That's something we welcome.
0:03:21 > 0:03:23- One of the main points - they changed...
0:03:23 > 0:03:27- ..is stopping testing cattle - every six months.
0:03:27 > 0:03:32- They haven't moved the threshold - for inconclusive reactors.
0:03:32 > 0:03:37- They won't take more cattle - - that was their original intention...
0:03:37 > 0:03:39- ..or part of their consultation.
0:03:40 > 0:03:42- What changes will affect farmers?
0:03:43 > 0:03:48- They will now be splitting Wales - into five regional areas.
0:03:49 > 0:03:53- Farmers in areas with - very little TB, in North Wales...
0:03:53 > 0:03:59- ..must test animals - after moving them in to the area.
0:03:59 > 0:04:01- That will incur extra costs - for them...
0:04:02 > 0:04:06- ..and they will be less inclined - to buy those animals.
0:04:06 > 0:04:10- It's going to create two markets - in Wales...
0:04:10 > 0:04:15- ..and that'll be a concern not only - for farmers buying animals in...
0:04:16 > 0:04:20- ..but also for farmers in areas - where TB is present.
0:04:20 > 0:04:26- Their prices are likely to fall - and that will be a concern for them.
0:04:27 > 0:04:33- We welcome the fact they will look - at badgers on the worst farms...
0:04:33 > 0:04:37- ..the farms that have been affected - for two years or more.
0:04:37 > 0:04:42- It's a small step but a step - in the right direction for us.
0:04:43 > 0:04:47- They could have done more sooner but - let's take it one step at a time.
0:04:47 > 0:04:52- What's your response to the areas - that have been created...
0:04:52 > 0:04:55- ..and the rules that come with them?
0:04:55 > 0:05:00- On Anglesey and in nearby areas, - they don't have a problem.
0:05:00 > 0:05:03- They've tightened the rules - in those areas.
0:05:03 > 0:05:05- We welcome that.
0:05:06 > 0:05:11- It's difficult. I live in an area - where I milk cattle.
0:05:11 > 0:05:15- I don't sell them - so it's had little effect.
0:05:15 > 0:05:18- Where there are store cattle...
0:05:18 > 0:05:22- ..the prices of those animals - could be affected.
0:05:22 > 0:05:24- That's the problem.
0:05:25 > 0:05:30- I don't welcome that aspect - but there is a way to make it work.
0:05:31 > 0:05:36- We can't continue with high-affected - and low-affected areas...
0:05:36 > 0:05:38- ..in the long term.
0:05:38 > 0:05:43- I hope they can implement this plan - fairly quickly...
0:05:44 > 0:05:46- ..to eradicate it quickly.
0:05:46 > 0:05:50- That's what I'd like. We don't want - these regulations forever.
0:05:54 > 0:05:58- Christianne Glossop, - Wales' chief veterinary officer...
0:05:59 > 0:06:02- ..played a key part - in the consultation.
0:06:02 > 0:06:04- With regards to our chronic - TB breakdowns...
0:06:04 > 0:06:08- ..those that have been on the go - for more than 18 months...
0:06:08 > 0:06:10- ..and we have between - 50 and 60 of those...
0:06:11 > 0:06:13- ..each of those - will have an action plan...
0:06:13 > 0:06:18- ..developed between the - Animal and Plant Health Agency...
0:06:18 > 0:06:20- ..Welsh Government - and their own vets...
0:06:21 > 0:06:25- ..and on the farms where we - can demonstrate badger activity...
0:06:25 > 0:06:29- ..we will cage trap badgers - and test them for TB.
0:06:29 > 0:06:32- Where we find - test-positive badgers...
0:06:32 > 0:06:35- ..we will be humanely killing - those badgers.
0:06:35 > 0:06:38- Why don't you follow - the Republic of Ireland...
0:06:38 > 0:06:41- ..who have done a badger cull - on a wider scale...
0:06:41 > 0:06:43- ..and reduced TB incidents by 40%?
0:06:44 > 0:06:47- That was in certain areas - of the Republic of Ireland.
0:06:48 > 0:06:51- They are regrouping - to consider their next steps.
0:06:51 > 0:06:55- We don't believe - that's necessary in Wales.
0:06:55 > 0:06:59- Our badger survey has shown us - where we have infected badgers.
0:06:59 > 0:07:03- The problem of TB - and the connection with badgers...
0:07:03 > 0:07:07- ..is most significant - in our chronic herd breakdowns.
0:07:07 > 0:07:09- We want to adopt - a different approach.
0:07:12 > 0:07:15- There are big concerns - about badgers.
0:07:15 > 0:07:19- Are the steps they're taking - with badgers going far enough?
0:07:20 > 0:07:24- Are they taking it seriously - or are they merely symbolic steps?
0:07:25 > 0:07:30- Initially, only a handful of farms - will receive this treatment...
0:07:31 > 0:07:33- ..in terms of testing the badgers.
0:07:33 > 0:07:36- There is more work to do - in recording the evidence...
0:07:37 > 0:07:39- ..to allow us - to take the next steps.
0:07:47 > 0:07:51- We regularly feature farms - adopting milking systems...
0:07:51 > 0:07:56- ..similar to ones in New Zealand - but what about their sheep systems?
0:07:56 > 0:08:00- Coed Coch Farm near Abergele - is experimenting.
0:08:00 > 0:08:06- They've established a share farm - with a large flock of Romneys.
0:08:06 > 0:08:08- Daloni has more on this story.
0:08:13 > 0:08:19- Last October, - Coed Coch Farms Ltd was established.
0:08:19 > 0:08:24- It's a share farming partnership - between three farmers...
0:08:25 > 0:08:29- ..Rhys Williams, Harry - Fetherstonhaugh and Emyr Jones.
0:08:32 > 0:08:36- Harry owns the land - 900 acres.
0:08:36 > 0:08:39- He has 50% of the company's shares.
0:08:40 > 0:08:45- Emyr is the shepherd - and he has 5% of the shares.
0:08:45 > 0:08:51- Administrator Rhys owns - the remainder of the shares, 45%.
0:08:51 > 0:08:54- The enterprise was his idea.
0:08:54 > 0:08:58- I had a relatively small business - at home on the Llyn Peninsula.
0:08:59 > 0:09:04- I was looking for a way - to expand the sheep business.
0:09:04 > 0:09:08- One of the possibilities - I researched was share farms.
0:09:09 > 0:09:11- Why Romney sheep?
0:09:11 > 0:09:15- We're very aware of the challenges - facing the industry.
0:09:15 > 0:09:19- New Zealand faced - the same situation in the 1980s.
0:09:19 > 0:09:23- The subsidies disappeared - practically overnight.
0:09:23 > 0:09:26- They developed a breed - which was sustainable.
0:09:27 > 0:09:30- Rhys is also the Head of Farming - at Coleg Glynllifon.
0:09:31 > 0:09:36- He's eager to encourage and invest - in the future of young farmers.
0:09:36 > 0:09:39- If you can get farmers - to buy into the system...
0:09:40 > 0:09:44- ..they will be more enthusiastic - and businesses will succeed better.
0:09:44 > 0:09:46- Having young blood also helps.
0:09:46 > 0:09:52- Our aim is not only to grow a - business but to help young farmers.
0:09:52 > 0:09:55- Initially, we've brought Emyr in.
0:09:57 > 0:10:00- As the company grows and develops...
0:10:00 > 0:10:04- ..Emyr will have the opportunity - to increase his share in the farm.
0:10:06 > 0:10:08- How's it going so far, Emyr?
0:10:08 > 0:10:09- How's it going so far, Emyr?- - It's going well.
0:10:10 > 0:10:13- We've faced a few challenges - in the first few months...
0:10:13 > 0:10:16- ..but things are starting - to settle down now.
0:10:18 > 0:10:20- We've had a very good season.
0:10:20 > 0:10:22- I hope they'll hit the targets.
0:10:23 > 0:10:25- What kind of sheep is the Romney?
0:10:25 > 0:10:30- It's a different sheep to the ones - I'm used to handling.
0:10:30 > 0:10:33- It's not dissimilar - to a Welsh sheep.
0:10:33 > 0:10:36- It's larger and looks after itself.
0:10:36 > 0:10:38- And eats less.
0:10:38 > 0:10:41- I don't know about eating less...
0:10:41 > 0:10:44- ..but it makes better use - of what's in front of it.
0:10:45 > 0:10:47- It eats everything - that's on its plate.
0:10:47 > 0:10:53- Yes, I'd like to think so, - and turn that into milk.
0:10:56 > 0:11:00- The system as it is now - is very tight.
0:11:00 > 0:11:03- Lambing in early April - and weaning by August 1.
0:11:03 > 0:11:07- It's hoped that the lambs - will reach 40kgs...
0:11:07 > 0:11:12- ..before heading to the abattoir - with about 20kgs used as meat.
0:11:12 > 0:11:17- Everything heading to market has - to be sold by the end of September.
0:11:17 > 0:11:20- That is when - the farm's financial year ends.
0:11:20 > 0:11:22- We're trying to control costs...
0:11:22 > 0:11:25- ..and concentrates - is one of the main costs.
0:11:25 > 0:11:29- We have a tight budget - for concentrates this year.
0:11:29 > 0:11:35- We budgeted 2 per sheep and - only spent 1.80 on concentrates.
0:11:35 > 0:11:38- How has the lambing season been?
0:11:38 > 0:11:42- The weather for lambing season - couldn't have been better.
0:11:42 > 0:11:44- The weather was fantastic...
0:11:45 > 0:11:52- ..but it will be difficult for us to - show a profit to reinvest this year.
0:11:52 > 0:11:58- Our scanning wasn't as good as - we wanted, it was under our target.
0:11:58 > 0:12:02- From 2,300 sheep, - how many lambs did you have?
0:12:02 > 0:12:07- We were fortunate enough - to sell 2,800.
0:12:08 > 0:12:10- That's quite low.
0:12:10 > 0:12:14- We'd budgeted to sell 125%.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16- We scanned at 141%...
0:12:17 > 0:12:22- ..and from the research work I did - with the New Zealand systems...
0:12:22 > 0:12:28- ..you should expect a fall between - scanning and selling of 30%.
0:12:28 > 0:12:32- We've docked the sheep's tails - recently to get the tailing count.
0:12:32 > 0:12:35- We're down about 24%.
0:12:35 > 0:12:38- The company received - a 3,000 Farming Connect grant...
0:12:39 > 0:12:42- ..to help draw up the contract - between the partners.
0:12:42 > 0:12:47- They also organised for - Murray Rohloff from New Zealand...
0:12:47 > 0:12:51- ..to visit Coed Coch - to offer advice to the farmers.
0:12:51 > 0:12:55- When we went through - our big economic revolution...
0:12:55 > 0:13:01- ..in New Zealand, where 40% of - our government money disappeared...
0:13:01 > 0:13:06- ..and then we realised that we had - to have money in the bank to use...
0:13:06 > 0:13:11- ..it's not just looking - at overall wealth accumulation.
0:13:11 > 0:13:15- We had to be generating cash - because no-one owed us a living.
0:13:15 > 0:13:17- It all came back down to profit.
0:13:17 > 0:13:21- Some wise guy said - income is vanity, profit is sanity.
0:13:21 > 0:13:24- I still say - that's the wisest thing I've heard.
0:13:27 > 0:13:30- With such - an uncertain future ahead...
0:13:30 > 0:13:35- ..will a system like this - survive and pay its way?
0:13:35 > 0:13:38- The existing farm - wasn't making any money.
0:13:39 > 0:13:44- It couldn't go on. I was looking - for a vehicle to go forward.
0:13:44 > 0:13:46- I'm in my 60s - and we need younger blood.
0:13:47 > 0:13:50- It's turned out to be - an absolutely fantastic recipe.
0:13:51 > 0:13:54- It's great to see two young people - involved in the business.
0:13:55 > 0:13:59- The system's working well - and I'm absolutely thrilled with it.
0:14:06 > 0:14:09- With the sheep market - as it is right now...
0:14:09 > 0:14:14- ..it's difficult knowing how - successful this enterprise will be.
0:14:14 > 0:14:17- They don't have any control - over the price of lambs.
0:14:17 > 0:14:20- They have to accept - what they're offered.
0:14:20 > 0:14:23- Dairy farmers receive a cheque - once a month...
0:14:24 > 0:14:27- ..but here, - they receive payment annually.
0:14:27 > 0:14:29- However, they have tight controls.
0:14:30 > 0:14:34- Their costs are low - and they do that without a subsidy.
0:14:35 > 0:14:37- Maybe this is the way forward.
0:14:44 > 0:14:46- Best of luck to them.
0:14:47 > 0:14:49- It's time for a break.
0:14:49 > 0:14:53- Later, Alun joins a young couple - who make a living from goat meat.
0:14:54 > 0:14:57- We'll see you in two minutes.
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0:15:08 > 0:15:12- Goat meat is very popular - across the world.
0:15:12 > 0:15:17- Having said that, only a small - proportion is eaten in Wales.
0:15:17 > 0:15:22- A Pembrokeshire family has realised - there is a profitable market for it.
0:15:22 > 0:15:26- As a result, they've decided - to expand their business.
0:15:26 > 0:15:29- Alun went to meet them.
0:15:35 > 0:15:41- Back in November 2015, Megan and - Damian McNamara bought two goats...
0:15:41 > 0:15:43- ..to keep as pets.
0:15:43 > 0:15:45- They now have 200 goats.
0:15:45 > 0:15:50- Former nurse Megan - has left her profession...
0:15:50 > 0:15:53- ..to concentrate - on rearing the goats.
0:15:55 > 0:15:57- This is their first year - selling the meat...
0:15:58 > 0:16:00- ..and business - is exceptionally good.
0:16:00 > 0:16:04- It's been so good, they've struggled - to cope with the demand.
0:16:06 > 0:16:11- They keep Boer goats at - Moat Village Farm near Maenclochog.
0:16:11 > 0:16:14- They are the best - for producing high quality meat.
0:16:17 > 0:16:21- Megan, it's your mother's farm...
0:16:22 > 0:16:26- ..but why did you decide - to keep goats on the farm?
0:16:26 > 0:16:30- I've wanted goats here since I was - so high but Mam doesn't like them.
0:16:31 > 0:16:36- She kept saying, "No, I don't - want them on the farm"...
0:16:36 > 0:16:41- ..so it's been almost a rebellion - to get them here.
0:16:41 > 0:16:43- When we bought the first two...
0:16:43 > 0:16:48- ..Damian said the plan was for him - to go in a see Jude, Mam...
0:16:48 > 0:16:53- ..and say he was buying the first - two for me as Christmas gifts.
0:16:53 > 0:16:58- She agreed. That's when - Myrtle and Olive came here.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02- Mam helps out a lot, - there's a lot of support here...
0:17:02 > 0:17:04- ..but it's our business.
0:17:04 > 0:17:10- What challenges do you face? - Is it the same as keeping sheep?
0:17:10 > 0:17:13- Worms is the greatest problem.
0:17:14 > 0:17:19- When they graze out here, - we have to do rotational grazing.
0:17:19 > 0:17:22- I regularly do faecal egg counts.
0:17:23 > 0:17:25- Listeria is also a problem.
0:17:26 > 0:17:30- To try and overcome that, - we do all the haylage here.
0:17:30 > 0:17:35- We triple rap it and add additives - and we trap moles...
0:17:35 > 0:17:38- ..just to try and get it top notch.
0:17:38 > 0:17:42- I didn't realise - they were such sensitive animals.
0:17:42 > 0:17:43- They are very sensitive.
0:17:44 > 0:17:47- How do you keep them? - They're grazing right now.
0:17:47 > 0:17:52- Are they mostly out in the fields - or do you have to keep them indoors?
0:17:52 > 0:17:54- We have to keep them in.
0:17:54 > 0:17:59- They don't like rain - so they need 24/7 shelter.
0:17:59 > 0:18:02- That's difficult - with this number of goats.
0:18:02 > 0:18:05- We do keep them in - during the winter.
0:18:05 > 0:18:08- They just came back out last week.
0:18:08 > 0:18:14- With sheep, - the males are sent to be eaten...
0:18:14 > 0:18:17- ..whilst growing the numbers - of ewes.
0:18:17 > 0:18:21- At the moment, all the females - are kept here to build the flock.
0:18:22 > 0:18:24- The males are sent away for meat.
0:18:24 > 0:18:28- We regularly weigh them - and then send the males.
0:18:28 > 0:18:30- How old are they when they go away?
0:18:30 > 0:18:34- It depends. We send them away - when they're 40kgs.
0:18:34 > 0:18:39- That's from five months - but before twelve months.
0:18:46 > 0:18:49- Interesting, Megan. - What happens here?
0:18:49 > 0:18:53- These are the meat boys. - These are all up to weight.
0:18:54 > 0:18:55- They're all 40kgs.
0:18:56 > 0:19:01- This side, - these are slightly younger.
0:19:01 > 0:19:04- They're about 25-30kgs, maybe more.
0:19:06 > 0:19:09- 40kgs is the target. - How much meat is produced?
0:19:10 > 0:19:16- About 48%. The carcass is 18-20kgs.
0:19:18 > 0:19:21- What is the value of a kilo for you?
0:19:22 > 0:19:29- About 9 a kilo, just chopped up, - all the carcass.
0:19:30 > 0:19:34- It costs more to buy cutlets - or a joint...
0:19:34 > 0:19:36- ..up to about 20 a kilo.
0:19:37 > 0:19:41- One goat is quite valuable - when you sell it from home.
0:19:42 > 0:19:46- We can get up to 200 per goat, - each and every goat.
0:19:46 > 0:19:51- I'll have to move the bag - they're - about to mug me for the cake!
0:19:52 > 0:19:56- There we go, thank you, lads!
0:19:56 > 0:19:59- Give me some room - to feed the goats next door.
0:19:59 > 0:20:01- They need it more than you.
0:20:02 > 0:20:03- You've grown enough.
0:20:11 > 0:20:15- So, the next question is - what about the billy goats?
0:20:15 > 0:20:19- How many do you keep - for the 70 nanny goats?
0:20:19 > 0:20:22- We have four billy goats - for the 100 nanny goats.
0:20:23 > 0:20:25- Those are the companions.
0:20:27 > 0:20:31- These are the animals - we invest the most in...
0:20:32 > 0:20:34- ..to get the genetics.
0:20:34 > 0:20:39- Where do you get that genetic? Is - it easy finding something different?
0:20:39 > 0:20:42- There can't be many - throughout Britain.
0:20:42 > 0:20:46- It's quite difficult. Basil - came from Australia as an embryo.
0:20:46 > 0:20:49- Here's Prince. He came from Suffolk.
0:20:49 > 0:20:54- I think Prince is a first - generation embryo from Australia.
0:20:54 > 0:21:00- For us, here, we choose a billy goat - with a short backside and body.
0:21:01 > 0:21:04- That's what sells well for us.
0:21:04 > 0:21:06- Here's Prince.
0:21:06 > 0:21:12- When you buy an animal like Prince - how much money do you need?
0:21:12 > 0:21:14- About 600.
0:21:17 > 0:21:22- Doing everything as locally - as possible is important to Megan.
0:21:23 > 0:21:25- The abattoir is Maddocks in Maesteg.
0:21:26 > 0:21:29- Cig Lodor in Rosebush - cuts the carcass.
0:21:29 > 0:21:33- The meat is sold directly - from the farm.
0:21:35 > 0:21:40- While the meat cooks on the barbie, - I'll have a quick word with you...
0:21:40 > 0:21:43- ..as the partner in crime - in this development.
0:21:44 > 0:21:46- You're foodies as much as anything.
0:21:46 > 0:21:50- Food is very important to you, - I can sense that.
0:21:50 > 0:21:54- Yes, I was brought up on a farm - and I always want fresh meat.
0:21:54 > 0:21:59- It's something we decided, - that's where we want to go.
0:22:00 > 0:22:04- Megan, you used to work as a nurse.
0:22:04 > 0:22:06- This is more than just a trade.
0:22:07 > 0:22:11- This is my life now. - It all comes from the heart.
0:22:11 > 0:22:15- You've seen the goats, - they're full of mischief.
0:22:15 > 0:22:21- The only thing left to do for me, - who's never eaten goat meat...
0:22:21 > 0:22:24- ..is to see what it tastes like.
0:22:24 > 0:22:26- Chef, are you serving?
0:22:26 > 0:22:28- Just about ready.
0:22:32 > 0:22:35- Wow. Let's taste it.
0:22:35 > 0:22:37- Cheers, folks.
0:22:40 > 0:22:43- It doesn't smell - anything like I thought it would.
0:22:44 > 0:22:48- We have an idea about the smell of - goat meat and it's nothing like it.
0:22:52 > 0:22:54- You told me before - that it was sweet.
0:22:54 > 0:22:58- It's very similar to a mountain ewe.
0:22:58 > 0:23:00- That's my favourite meat.
0:23:03 > 0:23:06- There's something - very healthy about it. Lovely.
0:23:10 > 0:23:14- Congratulations. - You've found something unique.
0:23:15 > 0:23:18- The market is sure to grow - in the future.
0:23:18 > 0:23:20- I hope so. Thank you.
0:23:27 > 0:23:30- That's it for this week, - from Cardiff Bay.
0:23:30 > 0:23:33- Thanks for your company. Cheerio.
0:23:51 > 0:23:53- S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf.
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