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0:00:12 > 0:00:16- This Christmas, - at an elderly care centre...
0:00:17 > 0:00:20- ..an innovative experiment - is taking place.
0:00:22 > 0:00:23- Are we ready?
0:00:24 > 0:00:25- Yes?
0:00:27 > 0:00:29- For the first time...
0:00:29 > 0:00:35- ..pensioners will share their day - care with a group of children.
0:00:35 > 0:00:38- Lovely. That's made my day.
0:00:38 > 0:00:44- Psychologists from Bangor University - believe the experiment can prove...
0:00:44 > 0:00:48- ..that shared care for young and old - benefits everyone.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51- Loneliness can increase - as people get older.
0:00:52 > 0:00:54- But they have so much to offer.
0:00:54 > 0:00:58- Up to age four - is a key period for children.
0:00:58 > 0:01:00- What we want to know...
0:01:00 > 0:01:04- ..is what effect - spending time with older people...
0:01:04 > 0:01:07- ..will have on their development.
0:01:10 > 0:01:12- Three day centres - are part of the experiment.
0:01:13 > 0:01:18- Over three days, our hidden cameras - and the psychologists will watch.
0:01:21 > 0:01:25- But will sharing the care - of children and OAPs...
0:01:25 > 0:01:28- ..be as easy as one two three?
0:01:31 > 0:01:35- This is the Hen Blant Bach - Christmas experiment.
0:01:45 > 0:01:51- Plas Hedd day centre is on Bangor's - Maesgeirchen council estate.
0:01:51 > 0:01:54- It's used by local elderly people.
0:01:56 > 0:02:00- Ken, who's 83, - couldn't live any closer.
0:02:01 > 0:02:04- He's just a few steps - away from the centre.
0:02:08 > 0:02:10- There's a cuppa - waiting for you, Ken, OK?
0:02:11 > 0:02:12- Fine, thank you.
0:02:13 > 0:02:15- Ken is the first to arrive - every time.
0:02:16 > 0:02:17- Better now?
0:02:18 > 0:02:19- Do you want to take your coat off?
0:02:19 > 0:02:22- Do you want to take your coat off?- - Oh, yes. I'll do that now.
0:02:25 > 0:02:29- It's been two years - since I started to come here...
0:02:30 > 0:02:34- ..for the company - and a chat and fun.
0:02:35 > 0:02:40- Before everyone arrives, - there's a chance to have breakfast.
0:02:40 > 0:02:44- Because Ken lives so close, - he's here when we open the doors.
0:02:44 > 0:02:47- Sometimes, he's waiting for us.
0:02:48 > 0:02:52- Ken's a bachelor, - never been married, no children.
0:02:55 > 0:03:01- After 30 minutes' peace, - the rest of the OAPs join Ken.
0:03:02 > 0:03:07- They're only a small group, - and Chris is the only woman.
0:03:07 > 0:03:12- Wil always gets a warm welcome, - and he's Ken's best friend.
0:03:17 > 0:03:18- Do you want a cuppa?
0:03:20 > 0:03:22- Yes. And a biscuit?
0:03:24 > 0:03:25- Do you want another one?
0:03:25 > 0:03:26- Do you want another one?- - I'll have one more.
0:03:28 > 0:03:30- You're getting a fresh cuppa now.
0:03:31 > 0:03:36- Last in is Evan, - with his orange monkey, Shankly.
0:03:40 > 0:03:43- Evan remembers the old days.
0:03:44 > 0:03:48- But I often get the same stories, - and I still have to laugh.
0:03:48 > 0:03:51- He's quite a character.
0:03:51 > 0:03:52- OK, Ken?
0:03:53 > 0:03:59- Everyone has settled in, but after - his second cuppa, Ken is uneasy.
0:04:05 > 0:04:06- Toilet.
0:04:07 > 0:04:08- Wee-wee!
0:04:10 > 0:04:13- Evan? Wee-wee!
0:04:17 > 0:04:18- He's off to France!
0:04:19 > 0:04:20- Oui-oui!
0:04:24 > 0:04:27- For three days, they have agreed...
0:04:27 > 0:04:31- ..to share the day centre - with six young children.
0:04:31 > 0:04:36- But the experiment requires - more than four pensioners.
0:04:36 > 0:04:40- Fortunately, there's a home - for the elderly next door.
0:04:40 > 0:04:45- We have more than two generations - coming together in this experiment.
0:04:45 > 0:04:49- The adults involved - are from very different situations.
0:04:51 > 0:04:52- One down, one to go.
0:04:53 > 0:04:55- Maybe they'll give us some sherry.
0:04:56 > 0:05:00- By including these pensioners - in the experiment...
0:05:01 > 0:05:06- ..the hope is to challenge the idea - that they have no more to offer...
0:05:09 > 0:05:13- ..and show that life - isn't over for these people.
0:05:16 > 0:05:17- You're here.
0:05:21 > 0:05:22- Nice, eh?
0:05:22 > 0:05:24- Lovely.
0:05:25 > 0:05:30- Doris, who's 89 years old, has been - in the home for nine months now.
0:05:31 > 0:05:33- She misses seeing children.
0:05:33 > 0:05:35- I'm looking forward to it.
0:05:35 > 0:05:38- I'm looking forward to it.
0:05:39 > 0:05:42- I hope nothing stops me coming.
0:05:45 > 0:05:50- Like many of these pensioners, - Doris lives with dementia.
0:05:50 > 0:05:52- I started in 1987.
0:05:53 > 0:05:58- Back then, - the people were more mobile.
0:05:58 > 0:06:01- Not many had dementia.
0:06:01 > 0:06:03- But over the years, that's changed.
0:06:04 > 0:06:08- Most don't remember much now, - and they're older.
0:06:08 > 0:06:09- How are you?
0:06:10 > 0:06:11- Fine. You?
0:06:11 > 0:06:14- As well as can be expected.
0:06:16 > 0:06:22- Another resident at the home - is Gwyndaf, who has Parkinson's.
0:06:23 > 0:06:25- Are you staying at the home?
0:06:25 > 0:06:26- Yes.
0:06:26 > 0:06:28- How long have you been there?
0:06:28 > 0:06:30- How long have you been there?- - About eight weeks or so.
0:06:30 > 0:06:32- It could be longer.
0:06:32 > 0:06:34- Are you better now?
0:06:34 > 0:06:36- I'm improving, yes.
0:06:40 > 0:06:42- Today, after being at the centre...
0:06:42 > 0:06:46- ..Gwyndaf is being allowed home - to his own flat...
0:06:47 > 0:06:49- ..to see if he can cope this time.
0:06:50 > 0:06:52- He's been packing earlier.
0:06:52 > 0:06:55- How do you feel about being here?
0:06:55 > 0:06:57- Lonely.
0:06:59 > 0:07:02- What would you like - to be able to do?
0:07:02 > 0:07:04- Resume my life once again.
0:07:06 > 0:07:10- Gwyndaf decided to go home - as he couldn't afford to stay here.
0:07:10 > 0:07:14- He received a bill, - and had to pay a contribution.
0:07:14 > 0:07:17- He couldn't afford to, - so he's gone home.
0:07:20 > 0:07:25- If you could have anything - this Christmas, what would it be?
0:07:25 > 0:07:26- Health.
0:07:29 > 0:07:33- Gwyndaf will spend Christmas - in his own flat this year.
0:07:35 > 0:07:40- Research shows that Christmas - can be difficult for older people.
0:07:40 > 0:07:44- They can be more lonely, - family might have moved away...
0:07:44 > 0:07:47- ..or aren't around as much.
0:07:47 > 0:07:53- They reminisce about the times when - they were busier and more involved.
0:07:53 > 0:07:56- At a nursery five miles away...
0:07:56 > 0:08:00- ..the children are much - more excited about Christmas.
0:08:00 > 0:08:02- Merry Christmas!
0:08:02 > 0:08:04- There's a tree.
0:08:04 > 0:08:06- You get a tree.
0:08:06 > 0:08:07- You get a tree.- - You're getting a tree?!
0:08:07 > 0:08:09- What do you do with it?
0:08:09 > 0:08:11- Put everything on it.
0:08:11 > 0:08:16- Santa Claus comes on the reindeer - to give us presents.
0:08:16 > 0:08:18- Are we having Christmas here?
0:08:20 > 0:08:24- Children like Efa Laura come - to the nursery five days a week...
0:08:25 > 0:08:30- ..while Iago spends most of his time - at home and is only here one day.
0:08:30 > 0:08:33- It's one of the questions - many parents face.
0:08:33 > 0:08:35- What's best for the child?
0:08:35 > 0:08:40- A nursery or care at home - with a member of the family?
0:08:40 > 0:08:44- This experiment - shows a third option as well.
0:08:44 > 0:08:49- Here, we have the elements - of being at nursery with friends...
0:08:50 > 0:08:53- ..as well as one-to-one time - with an adult...
0:08:53 > 0:08:58- ..which is crucial for a child's - linguistic development.
0:08:58 > 0:09:01- The Bangor area experiment - is about to start.
0:09:01 > 0:09:06- Six children from a local nursery - arrive at the day centre.
0:09:06 > 0:09:08- Hello, hello, hello.
0:09:09 > 0:09:13- The cameras are recording - and the psychologists are watching.
0:09:18 > 0:09:22- Do these old folk know how much - their world is about to change?
0:09:23 > 0:09:27- This is the Hen Blant Bach - Christmas experiment.
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0:09:39 > 0:09:43- The old folk who come - to Plas Hedd day centre, Bangor...
0:09:43 > 0:09:46- ..are getting - a unique Christmas present.
0:09:46 > 0:09:50- The company of six children - from a nearby nursery.
0:09:50 > 0:09:51- Hello, hello, hello.
0:09:52 > 0:09:55- The children are eager, - and the old folk are waiting.
0:09:56 > 0:09:59- Both groups are about to meet - for the first time ever.
0:10:00 > 0:10:04- Hello! Are you coming in?
0:10:07 > 0:10:08- Look who's come to see us.
0:10:09 > 0:10:11- Aren't they pretty?
0:10:16 > 0:10:18- They're lovely.
0:10:21 > 0:10:25- The children look a little lost.
0:10:28 > 0:10:31- They're a little bit shy.
0:10:36 > 0:10:41- Many of the old people are trying - to attract the children's attention.
0:10:41 > 0:10:43- But it doesn't seem to be working.
0:10:46 > 0:10:50- The children seem stuck - to their childminders.
0:10:51 > 0:10:53- Ken tries to reach out...
0:10:55 > 0:10:57- ..but without much success.
0:10:58 > 0:11:01- Is this going to work at all?
0:11:02 > 0:11:05- An activity might break the ice.
0:11:06 > 0:11:11- During the experiment, - we'll introduce some ideas...
0:11:11 > 0:11:17- ..and happy memories, hopefully, - of traditional Christmases past...
0:11:17 > 0:11:21- ..reflecting their experiences - of Christmas as children.
0:11:21 > 0:11:26- Early memories are often stronger - as people get older.
0:11:26 > 0:11:27- Presents.
0:11:27 > 0:11:29- A Christmas tree.
0:11:34 > 0:11:37- The first activity - will be decorating a tree.
0:11:40 > 0:11:43- The youngest of the children - is three-year-old Seren.
0:11:44 > 0:11:48- She's small for her age and is - helped by Iona, her childminder.
0:11:49 > 0:11:52- Only the children - and their childminders are busy.
0:11:52 > 0:11:58- As the old folk watch the children, - childhood memories seem to stir.
0:12:01 > 0:12:02- I remember thinking...
0:12:02 > 0:12:06- ..about sneaking downstairs - without Mam finding out...
0:12:06 > 0:12:07- ..to see what was there.
0:12:13 > 0:12:18- An apple and an orange - in the stocking...
0:12:18 > 0:12:20- ..and nuts.
0:12:22 > 0:12:23- Not much...
0:12:23 > 0:12:25- ..but it was a lot then.
0:12:27 > 0:12:30- We'd have a capon...
0:12:31 > 0:12:34- ..not a turkey like today.
0:12:34 > 0:12:38- Only important people had turkeys.
0:12:40 > 0:12:41- Is it a cat?
0:12:43 > 0:12:44- Careful it doesn't bite you!
0:12:53 > 0:12:57- The children need help - to reach the upper branches.
0:12:59 > 0:13:03- Day centre regulars Chris, - Wil and Ken get up to help.
0:13:08 > 0:13:12- The OAPs from the care home - have all remained seated.
0:13:14 > 0:13:18- Jennie Blodwen - has slept through it all.
0:13:18 > 0:13:22- They sit back, which often happens - in a care situation.
0:13:22 > 0:13:26- Older people sit back - and let things happen around them.
0:13:26 > 0:13:29- Rather than being a part of it.
0:13:29 > 0:13:35- After some of the OAPs got up, - Seren has gone to the nursery staff.
0:13:37 > 0:13:41- Ken steps forward - to put the last piece in place.
0:13:41 > 0:13:42- Let Ken help you.
0:13:50 > 0:13:52- He's been pricked!
0:14:03 > 0:14:06- He manages to put the star - on top of the tree...
0:14:08 > 0:14:09- ..more or less.
0:14:11 > 0:14:13- And Jennie Blodwen has woken up...
0:14:14 > 0:14:17- ..to a Christmassy scene - and tinsel in her hair.
0:14:27 > 0:14:31- Across the room, Chris - is still playing with the children.
0:14:34 > 0:14:36- I have four children.
0:14:37 > 0:14:39- I love children, yes.
0:14:42 > 0:14:44- Chris lives alone in a flat.
0:14:45 > 0:14:49- Her eyesight has deteriorated, - but she still manages to knit.
0:14:49 > 0:14:54- She was born with albinism, - and has always had white hair.
0:14:55 > 0:14:59- She has to wear dark glasses - to protect her eyes from the sun.
0:14:59 > 0:15:02- I can't say I've had a bad deal.
0:15:02 > 0:15:05- The children at school - were quite mean.
0:15:06 > 0:15:09- They didn't call me by my name, - just White Hair.
0:15:10 > 0:15:16- Chris has always been positive, - despite quite a hard life,
0:15:16 > 0:15:21- The memory box contains a photo - of her wedding to Geraint.
0:15:22 > 0:15:26- The 6th of January, 1966.
0:15:27 > 0:15:28- Geraint and I.
0:15:29 > 0:15:34- I lost my husband 30 years ago - in a plane crash in Lleyn.
0:15:36 > 0:15:38- Bethan was only three years old.
0:15:39 > 0:15:44- Carys was the most upset - because she was a real daddy's girl.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50- It was difficult...
0:15:50 > 0:15:53- ..but I had to carry on.
0:15:54 > 0:15:57- Chris keeps a photo of her husband - in a locket...
0:15:57 > 0:16:00- ..and Efa Laura wants to open it.
0:16:06 > 0:16:09- "Does this open?" she said. - "Mam's does."
0:16:09 > 0:16:12- Keep it open now, OK?
0:16:14 > 0:16:17- I opened it for her to see...
0:16:18 > 0:16:20- ..the photos of Geraint and Carys.
0:16:23 > 0:16:26- It's good to see Chris - with the children.
0:16:27 > 0:16:30- She's played a key role - on the first day...
0:16:30 > 0:16:35- ..comfortable in their company - but not forcing attention.
0:16:35 > 0:16:40- She seems to be at ease - with her own personality.
0:16:40 > 0:16:44- She's faced difficulties in her life - but has come through them.
0:16:44 > 0:16:46- Quite a tough person.
0:16:54 > 0:16:57- After decorating, - everyone's ready for lunch.
0:16:57 > 0:17:00- A chance to get to know each other.
0:17:00 > 0:17:03- The psychologists - have put Doris with Efa Gwen...
0:17:03 > 0:17:05- ..and Ken next to Arthur.
0:17:06 > 0:17:07- Do you want a drink?
0:17:08 > 0:17:09- Here you are.
0:17:11 > 0:17:12- Arthur, this is your fork.
0:17:17 > 0:17:20- Do you look after him?
0:17:21 > 0:17:22- Fair play.
0:17:23 > 0:17:28- Efa Gwen is very advanced - as regards her development.
0:17:29 > 0:17:32- She's also the leader of the group.
0:17:33 > 0:17:34- She's the mother.
0:17:34 > 0:17:36- Do you want anything from here?
0:17:37 > 0:17:38- No?
0:17:38 > 0:17:40- Do you want me to help you?
0:17:40 > 0:17:42- Do you want anything from here?
0:17:44 > 0:17:48- Efa has changed - the intonation of her voice...
0:17:49 > 0:17:53- ..as an adult would do - when reacting to him.
0:17:53 > 0:17:54- Do you want anything?
0:17:59 > 0:18:01- Are you going to eat your meat?
0:18:03 > 0:18:06- Bachelor Ken talks a little...
0:18:07 > 0:18:10- ..while Doris, - who's a mother, says nothing.
0:18:10 > 0:18:12- Doris doesn't seem to be...
0:18:12 > 0:18:15- ..comfortable enough - to say anything.
0:18:15 > 0:18:18- He's tired and he's not hungry...
0:18:18 > 0:18:21- ..but he wants his pudding.
0:18:25 > 0:18:29- Doris and Ken could do - a lot more here, to be fair.
0:18:30 > 0:18:34- But Arthur has had enough - of Efa fussing over him.
0:18:35 > 0:18:38- Efa, I'm not friends with you!
0:18:49 > 0:18:52- That's not funny. Ouch.
0:18:57 > 0:19:00- I've got to put it back now.
0:19:01 > 0:19:03- One, two, three, - Mam catches the fly.
0:19:04 > 0:19:07- The fly is dead, - Mam's in floods of tears.
0:19:10 > 0:19:16- Doris can pass things on, - but it came out of nowhere!
0:19:16 > 0:19:18- Efa just looked at her.
0:19:18 > 0:19:22- "She hasn't said a word, - and now she's reciting poetry."
0:19:24 > 0:19:30- The environment can influence - people living with dementia.
0:19:30 > 0:19:35- A change to their environment - can confuse them more, if anything.
0:19:35 > 0:19:38- Maybe being in a different room...
0:19:38 > 0:19:42- ..doesn't allow messages - to come through quickly enough...
0:19:42 > 0:19:44- ..for Doris to say what she wants.
0:19:47 > 0:19:50- The first day - is drawing to a close.
0:19:52 > 0:19:54- First, tea and a biscuit.
0:19:59 > 0:20:02- Iwan gets the job - of sharing them out.
0:20:03 > 0:20:05- Thank you.
0:20:06 > 0:20:09- Ken will never refuse a biscuit.
0:20:10 > 0:20:13- Iwan isn't sure - if Margaret wants a biscuit.
0:20:15 > 0:20:17- Look.
0:20:21 > 0:20:22- Thank you.
0:20:23 > 0:20:26- He saw that she couldn't reach.
0:20:26 > 0:20:27- She gets one just in case.
0:20:29 > 0:20:31- Well done.
0:20:32 > 0:20:34- I'm glad that happened.
0:20:34 > 0:20:37- The children include everyone...
0:20:38 > 0:20:42- ..and have made an impression - on their new older friends.
0:20:42 > 0:20:46- They were shy at first - until everyone got together.
0:20:48 > 0:20:50- Then it was a mess!
0:20:52 > 0:20:58- They're not used to old people, - and we're not used to them.
0:20:58 > 0:21:01- And they make a noise, - without thinking.
0:21:06 > 0:21:09- It's time for the children - to say goodbye.
0:21:13 > 0:21:17- It's also time for Gwyndaf - to say goodbye to Plas Hedd.
0:21:21 > 0:21:25- He has decided not to pay any more - to stay in the home...
0:21:25 > 0:21:28- ..and goes back to his flat - in Bethesda.
0:21:31 > 0:21:34- Are you looking forward - to Christmas?
0:21:34 > 0:21:36- If I'm still around.
0:21:37 > 0:21:40- Where do you hope - to spend Christmas?
0:21:40 > 0:21:43- I don't know yet. - In my own flat, hopefully.
0:21:50 > 0:21:54- But he's determined to come back - to see the children tomorrow.
0:21:55 > 0:21:57- They make you feel young.
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0:22:23 > 0:22:26- It's Day Two - of the Hen Blant Bach experiment.
0:22:28 > 0:22:33- The day at Plas Hedd - starts like any other...
0:22:33 > 0:22:36- ..with Ken taking his seat - before anyone else.
0:22:37 > 0:22:38- OK, Ken?
0:22:42 > 0:22:46- It's his chance to have breakfast - before the others arrive.
0:22:47 > 0:22:49- Soon, the room begins to fill.
0:22:51 > 0:22:55- The day centre regulars - and the care home residents...
0:22:57 > 0:23:01- ..join up to spend the day - with the children.
0:23:02 > 0:23:06- Gwyndaf is back after spending - the night in his own flat.
0:23:08 > 0:23:11- At 97, - Margaret Oliver is the oldest.
0:23:11 > 0:23:16- She'll sit with Evan, - who wants to get to know her better.
0:23:17 > 0:23:18- Where do you live now?
0:23:19 > 0:23:22- I'm from Mynydd Llandegai.
0:23:22 > 0:23:23- I'm from Gerlan.
0:23:24 > 0:23:25- Are you from Gerlan?
0:23:25 > 0:23:26- I was born there.
0:23:27 > 0:23:28- Across the valley from us.
0:23:28 > 0:23:30- Across the valley from us.- - But I live here now.
0:23:31 > 0:23:32- House or flat?
0:23:32 > 0:23:33- House or flat?- - It's my house.
0:23:34 > 0:23:39- Evan has made an impression - but might be too eager to please.
0:23:40 > 0:23:41- I'll take you to the toilet!
0:23:42 > 0:23:43- I'll take you!
0:23:46 > 0:23:48- He's awful, you know!
0:23:49 > 0:23:53- The psychologists have given - period toys to the old folk.
0:23:54 > 0:23:58- They want more - of the care home residents...
0:23:58 > 0:24:03- ..like Doris and Margaret, to play - a bigger part in the activities.
0:24:04 > 0:24:08- Introducing old toys - will hopefully be pleasurable...
0:24:08 > 0:24:11- ..to take the old folk - back to their childhood.
0:24:12 > 0:24:16- They might feel it's long ago, - but the memories will be alive...
0:24:16 > 0:24:21- ..of that emotional time - when they were growing up.
0:24:22 > 0:24:23- I can't see.
0:24:23 > 0:24:27- That's an excuse. You can see fine.
0:24:28 > 0:24:30- Do you remember Fuzzy Felt?
0:24:30 > 0:24:31- What are they doing?
0:24:31 > 0:24:32- What are they doing?- - No idea.
0:24:33 > 0:24:35- My children loved these.
0:24:37 > 0:24:39- Talking of children, - here they are...
0:24:40 > 0:24:44- ..walking into a roomful - of old people playing with old toys.
0:24:49 > 0:24:54- They've come in without their - childminders today, a big change.
0:25:01 > 0:25:03- Iago doesn't look happy.
0:25:03 > 0:25:04- Iago doesn't look happy.- - He doesn't.
0:25:06 > 0:25:09- Another aim of giving the toys - to the old folk...
0:25:10 > 0:25:13- ..was to attract the children over - to play with them.
0:25:13 > 0:25:14- Cards!
0:25:15 > 0:25:18- Gwyndaf is playing with Iago - and Efa Laura...
0:25:19 > 0:25:23- ..while Efa Gwen, Evan - and Margaret Oliver play cards.
0:25:23 > 0:25:29- Snap is a game - played across the generations.
0:25:29 > 0:25:31- Snap is familiar to everyone.
0:25:41 > 0:25:43- The plan seems to be working...
0:25:46 > 0:25:47- ..apart from Seren.
0:25:52 > 0:25:56- At the nursery, - Seren gets one-to-one care...
0:25:56 > 0:25:58- ..because she has additional needs.
0:26:00 > 0:26:01- Thank you.
0:26:01 > 0:26:03- Can I have more water?
0:26:05 > 0:26:08- Seren was born 12 weeks premature.
0:26:08 > 0:26:11- It's incredible - that she's here at all.
0:26:12 > 0:26:15- She was only two pounds ten - when she was born.
0:26:15 > 0:26:17- We're lucky with how she is now.
0:26:20 > 0:26:23- Every day was really touch and go.
0:26:23 > 0:26:26- Will she last the night?
0:26:27 > 0:26:30- Her language - is starting to come now.
0:26:31 > 0:26:36- She couldn't play - with everyone else...
0:26:36 > 0:26:38- ..or interact at all.
0:26:38 > 0:26:42- She was in hospital for so long.
0:26:42 > 0:26:46- Her development was a bit slow.
0:26:46 > 0:26:50- She has missed - a lot of her development skills.
0:26:50 > 0:26:55- She doesn't speak much, - but you understand what she wants.
0:26:56 > 0:26:58- She lets you know without words.
0:26:59 > 0:27:04- Doctor Nia wants to know how Seren - usually copes at the nursery.
0:27:04 > 0:27:08- She talks to Delyth, - one of the childminders.
0:27:08 > 0:27:11- How would you describe - her personality?
0:27:11 > 0:27:14- If she doesn't want to do - something, then she won't.
0:27:15 > 0:27:16- So, she's determined.
0:27:17 > 0:27:20- It would be nice to see...
0:27:20 > 0:27:24- ..that determined streak - coming across.
0:27:25 > 0:27:29- It well might this afternoon, - and we'll try to step back again.
0:27:32 > 0:27:36- The psychologists want to see - how Seren will react...
0:27:37 > 0:27:40- ..in a one-to-one session - with Doris.
0:27:40 > 0:27:45- Dementia has taken its toll - on Doris' language skills.
0:27:45 > 0:27:48- Like Seren, she uses other methods - to communicate.
0:28:01 > 0:28:04- Gradually, Seren comes closer.
0:28:07 > 0:28:09- One, two, three.
0:28:10 > 0:28:12- Mam catches the fly.
0:28:13 > 0:28:16- The fly is dead, - Mam's in floods of tears.
0:28:23 > 0:28:29- Interacting with someone new - will be good for Seren.
0:28:29 > 0:28:33- When we work closely - with a child, one-to-one...
0:28:34 > 0:28:37- ..we learn the meaning - of the different noises.
0:28:37 > 0:28:43- But that stops the child trying - to pronounce the words clearly.
0:28:49 > 0:28:54- You asked us to come out one by one.
0:28:54 > 0:28:57- Seren came out of herself - later in the day...
0:28:57 > 0:29:01- ..and said a lot more words - than she did earlier.
0:29:06 > 0:29:10- The old people want to show - their skills to the children.
0:29:10 > 0:29:13- To teach them. A parent's instinct.
0:29:13 > 0:29:17- It's in them, whatever their age, - to want to teach children.
0:29:19 > 0:29:24- The psychologists have arranged - more one-to-one sessions.
0:29:25 > 0:29:28- Evan and Iago - are going to make Christmas cards...
0:29:28 > 0:29:30- ..with lots of glitter!
0:29:34 > 0:29:36- That was fun, wasn't it?
0:29:39 > 0:29:42- Iwan and Gwyndaf are drawing - pictures of Christmas trees.
0:29:43 > 0:29:45- Can I do that now?
0:29:47 > 0:29:48- Yes.
0:29:48 > 0:29:53- And Chris and Efa Laura - write a letter to Santa Claus.
0:29:53 > 0:29:56- What do you want from Santa Claus?
0:29:57 > 0:29:58- Pig the Pop.
0:29:58 > 0:30:00- Pig. The. Pop.
0:30:02 > 0:30:05- Giving time for a relationship - to develop is the aim...
0:30:06 > 0:30:10- ..by bringing Jennie Blodwen - and Efa Gwen together.
0:30:10 > 0:30:11- What do you want to do?
0:30:11 > 0:30:14- You're meant to do it - with your hand.
0:30:14 > 0:30:18- Put your hand there - and I'll draw around it.
0:30:18 > 0:30:23- You draw my hand - and I'll draw your hand, OK?
0:30:24 > 0:30:29- Research shows that touch - is one of the most important senses.
0:30:30 > 0:30:33- Think of a mother - comforting a baby by touch.
0:30:33 > 0:30:36- This lasts all your life, - but we tend to forget it.
0:30:37 > 0:30:38- Can you do it?
0:30:38 > 0:30:40- Can you do it?- - Yes, I can do it.
0:30:40 > 0:30:42- Hand out like this.
0:30:43 > 0:30:45- Like that, OK?
0:30:46 > 0:30:48- On the paper.
0:30:49 > 0:30:50- Do one, yes?
0:30:51 > 0:30:54- Make your hand big, like this.
0:30:55 > 0:30:57- The young leading the old.
0:31:00 > 0:31:01- Clever girl.
0:31:02 > 0:31:04- I had two children, - one girl, one boy.
0:31:04 > 0:31:06- Aled and Idwen.
0:31:08 > 0:31:10- It's not the same...
0:31:10 > 0:31:14- ..without children in the home.
0:31:14 > 0:31:15- Little children.
0:31:16 > 0:31:19- There you are. You're doing well.
0:31:19 > 0:31:21- Another colour now.
0:31:22 > 0:31:26- Efa's taken over the adult role, - the role of the mother, praising.
0:31:26 > 0:31:28- "You're doing well."
0:31:28 > 0:31:29- Oh, she's great.
0:31:32 > 0:31:36- Yesterday, Jennie Blodwen - slept all morning.
0:31:36 > 0:31:40- She didn't pay much attention - to them during the afternoon.
0:31:40 > 0:31:43- But she's been awake - all day today...
0:31:43 > 0:31:47- ..and has done well, - talking with the children.
0:31:49 > 0:31:52- Iago comes over - to have a nose around.
0:31:52 > 0:31:55- Who's this little boy? - Is he related to you?
0:31:55 > 0:31:57- Is she a little girl?
0:31:57 > 0:31:59- Is she a little girl?- - What?
0:31:59 > 0:32:01- Is that a little girl?
0:32:01 > 0:32:04- Is that a little girl?- - No, he's a boy.
0:32:04 > 0:32:05- What's his name?
0:32:05 > 0:32:07- What's his name?- - Iago, I suppose.
0:32:10 > 0:32:13- The second day of the experiment - is almost over.
0:32:14 > 0:32:17- Once again, the children sit - before saying goodbye.
0:32:17 > 0:32:19- It's nearly time to go home.
0:32:25 > 0:32:28- This time, the children - are without their childminders...
0:32:29 > 0:32:30- ..even Seren.
0:32:32 > 0:32:36- I'll ask Mam if I'm coming back.
0:32:37 > 0:32:39- The children are relaxed...
0:32:39 > 0:32:43- ..and some are understanding - what it means to be old.
0:32:43 > 0:32:45- What makes a person old?
0:32:48 > 0:32:49- No company.
0:32:51 > 0:32:57- # Who's that coming - quietly over the hill
0:32:57 > 0:33:01- # With his long beard and white hair
0:33:01 > 0:33:04- # And something in his sack? #
0:33:05 > 0:33:10- The children aren't the only ones - who have undergone a change.
0:33:13 > 0:33:17- Some of these people - have bigger problems than others.
0:33:18 > 0:33:22- But when the children come in, - there's no difference.
0:33:22 > 0:33:27- They all get along, - day care or care home residents.
0:33:30 > 0:33:34- The Hen Blant Bach experiment - demonstrates this once again.
0:33:34 > 0:33:38- Bringing children to old people - changes their spirit...
0:33:38 > 0:33:41- ..as they enjoy themselves - in the moment.
0:33:42 > 0:33:45- Some of the children - are immersed too.
0:33:45 > 0:33:49- Arthur has forgotten - all about going home.
0:33:57 > 0:34:00- But Arthur can come back tomorrow...
0:34:00 > 0:34:04- ..with the other children, - for Day Three of Hen Blant Bach.
0:34:05 > 0:34:07- They're so innocent.
0:34:07 > 0:34:09- They're children, aren't they?
0:34:09 > 0:34:12- It's hard to keep an eye on them.
0:34:12 > 0:34:14- We've all been children.
0:34:14 > 0:34:15- All of us.
0:34:16 > 0:34:17- Yes.
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0:34:31 > 0:34:35- Bangor's Plas Hedd day centre - is ready for day three...
0:34:36 > 0:34:39- ..of the Hen Blant Bach - Christmas experiment.
0:34:39 > 0:34:42- Once again, - Ken is the first to arrive.
0:34:42 > 0:34:45- Christmas or not, - some things don't change.
0:34:46 > 0:34:51- Today, there'll be Christmas dinner - with all the trimmings...
0:34:51 > 0:34:55- ..and a chance to celebrate - with the children.
0:34:55 > 0:34:59- Seeing their faces when the children - come in, it's just lovely.
0:35:00 > 0:35:03- There's even talk - that it might snow.
0:35:04 > 0:35:07- Snow is forecast tonight.
0:35:08 > 0:35:09- Is it?
0:35:09 > 0:35:12- That's what she said.
0:35:13 > 0:35:18- Watching the snowflakes fall, - all different shapes.
0:35:18 > 0:35:22- Do you remember the snowdrifts - on Christmas Day in 1963?
0:35:23 > 0:35:25- I wasn't born then either, Ken!
0:35:28 > 0:35:31- Outside, full of excitement, - the children arrive...
0:35:31 > 0:35:33- ..and they're ready for a party.
0:35:34 > 0:35:38- Confidence and communication - has increased during the week.
0:35:38 > 0:35:42- On the final day, - we hope that they can celebrate...
0:35:42 > 0:35:45- ..and create - happy memories together.
0:35:46 > 0:35:50- The children have made cards - for their new friends.
0:36:04 > 0:36:07- Then they must prepare - for the party.
0:36:07 > 0:36:09- I've made these.
0:36:09 > 0:36:10- I've made these.- - Thank you.
0:36:10 > 0:36:12- Do you want a red nose? No?
0:36:22 > 0:36:26- Watching and listening - is Margaret Hughes.
0:36:27 > 0:36:30- This Christmas - will be very different for her.
0:36:32 > 0:36:37- Every day, husband Meredydd - comes to see her in the home.
0:36:37 > 0:36:40- They have been married for 58 years.
0:36:40 > 0:36:44- This is her first Christmas - since moving into the care home.
0:36:46 > 0:36:49- Margaret Hughes - has been diagnosed with dementia.
0:36:49 > 0:36:51- She's a very quiet person.
0:36:52 > 0:36:55- Christmas can be a tough time.
0:36:55 > 0:37:01- We'll invite Meredydd - to join us for Christmas dinner.
0:37:01 > 0:37:02- A lot do come.
0:37:03 > 0:37:07- We try to make it - as happy as we can for them.
0:37:09 > 0:37:13- Margaret came to Plas Hedd - care home nine months ago.
0:37:14 > 0:37:17- Before then, Meredydd - and the family cared for her.
0:37:17 > 0:37:21- Ever faithful, - he'll be back again tomorrow.
0:37:29 > 0:37:32- There's so much in the news - about dementia.
0:37:32 > 0:37:35- It's got to the point - that people fear the condition.
0:37:36 > 0:37:39- They forget - that everyone is an individual...
0:37:39 > 0:37:43- ..with myriad stories - and happy memories.
0:37:43 > 0:37:47- They might have added problems - because of medical reasons...
0:37:48 > 0:37:51- ..but the person - is still alive in the body.
0:37:51 > 0:37:54- It's important to try - to connect with the person.
0:37:55 > 0:38:00- The psychologists pair Margaret - with the talkative Efa Gwen.
0:38:01 > 0:38:04- They're going to decorate - a chocolate Yule log.
0:38:04 > 0:38:05- Like this.
0:38:11 > 0:38:16- You'll need a big stomach - to eat a cake that size!
0:38:18 > 0:38:21- There'll be nothing left to eat!
0:38:23 > 0:38:26- That's the most - we've heard Margaret say.
0:38:30 > 0:38:32- It doesn't matter - if we get it on the plate.
0:38:32 > 0:38:35- A plate is meant - to have food on it.
0:38:35 > 0:38:37- Yes, you're right there.
0:38:38 > 0:38:42- More chocolate on this side.
0:38:42 > 0:38:45- Do you want a go?
0:38:46 > 0:38:47- Do you want a go?
0:38:48 > 0:38:49- Yes.
0:38:49 > 0:38:53- Do you want to hold the knife?
0:38:54 > 0:38:55- Before it falls?
0:38:56 > 0:38:57- Hold it.
0:38:57 > 0:38:59- I might drop it.
0:38:59 > 0:39:02- I'm old, you know.
0:39:03 > 0:39:06- Margaret isn't confident enough - to hold the knife.
0:39:06 > 0:39:10- But she's carried on - and hasn't stepped back.
0:39:11 > 0:39:12- It's so easy not to ask...
0:39:13 > 0:39:17- ..in case you make someone - feel awkward or uncomfortable.
0:39:17 > 0:39:23- If we adults could be as confident - as Efa Gwen with everyone...
0:39:23 > 0:39:28- ..then everyone could take part - to the extent they feel comfortable.
0:39:28 > 0:39:32- It's better - to put the chocolate over...
0:39:35 > 0:39:36- Isn't it?
0:39:36 > 0:39:37- Yes.
0:39:37 > 0:39:39- Or you'll soon know how much it is.
0:39:40 > 0:39:45- I think it's been good for her - to take part in something.
0:39:45 > 0:39:48- To feel that she belongs, in a way.
0:39:51 > 0:39:53- As a mother of three, - being with Efa Gwen...
0:39:54 > 0:39:58- ..inspires Margaret - to remember one particular song.
0:39:58 > 0:40:01- # Quietly over the hill
0:40:02 > 0:40:06- # With his long beard and white hair
0:40:06 > 0:40:10- # And something in his sack?
0:40:10 > 0:40:14- # And who comes over the hill
0:40:15 > 0:40:18- # Near the big chimney?
0:40:19 > 0:40:23- # Santa Claus, Santa Claus
0:40:23 > 0:40:27- # Come here, come on down #
0:40:28 > 0:40:31- Do you get tired - because of the children?
0:40:33 > 0:40:34- No.
0:40:35 > 0:40:37- I enjoy singing...
0:40:37 > 0:40:42- ..so, I don't say that I'm tired.
0:40:45 > 0:40:46- It's lunchtime.
0:40:46 > 0:40:50- Christmas dinner with all - the trimmings, and crackers.
0:40:57 > 0:41:00- But Iago isn't really happy.
0:41:00 > 0:41:03- I want pudding!
0:41:07 > 0:41:12- Ken, I don't want food.
0:41:13 > 0:41:15- I don't want food.
0:41:18 > 0:41:23- What we see here - are Gwyndaf, Wil and Ken...
0:41:24 > 0:41:27- ..reacting perfectly - to Iago's situation.
0:41:27 > 0:41:29- Do you want pudding?
0:41:30 > 0:41:31- Yes.
0:41:32 > 0:41:36- Iago's behaviour is completely - ignored by these three wise men.
0:41:37 > 0:41:41- Iago learns - an important lesson here.
0:41:44 > 0:41:47- No-one forces Iago to eat.
0:41:48 > 0:41:50- The food stays on his plate.
0:42:06 > 0:42:08- Christmas pudding now.
0:42:10 > 0:42:12- And a spoon, OK?
0:42:13 > 0:42:15- There's your pudding.
0:42:15 > 0:42:19- But the much-requested pudding - doesn't please either.
0:42:19 > 0:42:21- Eat your pudding now.
0:42:21 > 0:42:22- It's hot.
0:42:23 > 0:42:24- No, it isn't.
0:42:36 > 0:42:41- After lunch, the psychologists have - arranged a surprise for everyone...
0:42:41 > 0:42:43- ..outside the day centre.
0:42:52 > 0:42:54- The forecast was right.
0:42:54 > 0:42:57- It's snowing in Bangor.
0:42:59 > 0:43:02- The first ones out - are Efa Laura and Chris.
0:43:04 > 0:43:05- Is it slippery?
0:43:10 > 0:43:12- Do you like it?
0:43:12 > 0:43:13- Do you?
0:43:16 > 0:43:18- Ken and Arthur...
0:43:19 > 0:43:22- ..Iwan and Jennie Blodwen...
0:43:23 > 0:43:27- ..Wil with his favourite, Seren, - and Doris, more excited than anyone.
0:43:30 > 0:43:31- What did you do today?
0:43:35 > 0:43:37- Has it gone in your shoes?
0:43:42 > 0:43:44- It's been a magical three days.
0:43:44 > 0:43:48- Before they go home, - there's one more moment to share.
0:43:48 > 0:43:50- # Silent Night #
0:44:11 > 0:44:16- When the band comes and everyone - enjoys the experience together...
0:44:16 > 0:44:19- ..there's no need for words - or even movement.
0:44:20 > 0:44:24- Everyone's in the same boat, - enjoying the experience.
0:44:24 > 0:44:29- It shows how far they've come - over the three days.
0:44:29 > 0:44:34- They've grown closer and are able - to enjoy this festive experience...
0:44:34 > 0:44:38- ..and take happy memories - back to their respective homes.
0:44:55 > 0:44:58- The Hen Blant Bach experiment - has come to an end.
0:45:01 > 0:45:07- They've blossomed here, - they've made friends, everyone.
0:45:08 > 0:45:10- Anyone living near a care home...
0:45:10 > 0:45:14- ..could spend an hour there - with children every week.
0:45:17 > 0:45:23- It's so simple, we've all done it, - taken children to see grandparents.
0:45:23 > 0:45:27- Children and grandparents - get so much out of it. It works.
0:45:33 > 0:45:38- A lot of places try to do this now.
0:45:38 > 0:45:41- Bringing two generations together.
0:45:41 > 0:45:43- It doesn't happen any more.
0:45:43 > 0:45:48- Grandparents don't live at home - with the children any more.
0:45:48 > 0:45:50- Very often, they live far away.
0:45:50 > 0:45:54- It's such a simple idea, - yet so revolutionary.
0:45:55 > 0:45:58- Letting children and old folk...
0:45:58 > 0:46:01- ..spend time - getting to know each other.
0:46:01 > 0:46:06- In a situation like this, - two generations coming together...
0:46:06 > 0:46:10- ..what makes it so special...
0:46:10 > 0:46:11- ..is time.
0:46:11 > 0:46:15- Old people have so much time.
0:46:17 > 0:46:22- At centres across Wales, - the same experiment was repeated.
0:46:26 > 0:46:30- The older you get, - you appreciate everything.
0:46:30 > 0:46:33- The children did that, - and they were excellent.
0:46:34 > 0:46:38- The children were, yes. Excellent.
0:46:41 > 0:46:45- You've got a window on the side too.
0:46:46 > 0:46:46- Why?
0:46:46 > 0:46:47- Why?- - So that I can see.
0:46:48 > 0:46:50- Lives were touched...
0:46:51 > 0:46:52- ..and changes were seen.
0:46:53 > 0:46:57- Everyone's different, - that's what makes us interesting.
0:46:57 > 0:47:01- Children just see what's there, - and we could learn from them.
0:47:05 > 0:47:11- I must say, I've enjoyed this week. - It's the best week we've had here.
0:47:13 > 0:47:17- They just see through - all disabilities, children.
0:47:18 > 0:47:22- For the older people, children - help them forget their disabilities.
0:47:23 > 0:47:26- Forget what's wrong - and just make them happy.
0:47:29 > 0:47:33- It is possible - to do things differently...
0:47:33 > 0:47:37- ..and retain the child - that's within us all.
0:47:37 > 0:47:40- Merry Christmas!
0:47:41 > 0:47:44- Merry Christmas to you all, - whatever your age.
0:47:45 > 0:47:47- Merry Christmas to you all!
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