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0:00:05 > 0:00:06- Right, coats on.
0:00:06 > 0:00:07- Come on, we're going.
0:00:08 > 0:00:09- Are we ready?
0:00:10 > 0:00:11- Yes?
0:00:15 > 0:00:18- At care centres across Wales...
0:00:19 > 0:00:22- ..an innovative experiment - is about to take place.
0:00:22 > 0:00:24- They're out there.
0:00:24 > 0:00:26- They're out there.- - Hello, hello, hello.
0:00:27 > 0:00:29- For the first time...
0:00:30 > 0:00:35- ..these pensioners will share their - day care with a group of children.
0:00:36 > 0:00:38- Lovely. That's made my day.
0:00:39 > 0:00:44- Psychologists from Bangor University - believe the experiment can prove...
0:00:44 > 0:00:48- ..that shared care for young and old - benefits everyone.
0:00:49 > 0:00:52- Loneliness can increase - as people get older.
0:00:52 > 0:00:54- But they have so much to offer.
0:00:55 > 0:00:58- Up to age four - is a key period for children.
0:00:58 > 0:01:01- What we want to know...
0:01:01 > 0:01:05- ..is what effect - spending time with older people...
0:01:05 > 0:01:07- ..will have on their development.
0:01:08 > 0:01:13- Three day centres - are part of the experiment.
0:01:13 > 0:01:18- Over three days, our hidden cameras - and the psychologists will watch.
0:01:23 > 0:01:26- But will sharing the care - of children and OAPs...
0:01:27 > 0:01:30- ..be as easy as one two three?
0:01:35 > 0:01:37- This is - the Hen Blant Bach experiment.
0:01:41 > 0:01:47- It's early morning at Cwmamman - Day Centre, Carmarthenshire.
0:01:47 > 0:01:50- The centre welcomes 22 pensioners.
0:01:52 > 0:01:54- It's a special place - for people to come to.
0:01:55 > 0:01:58- They're all unwell in some way, - every one of them.
0:01:59 > 0:02:03- But they keep going, keep trying, - and that's important.
0:02:06 > 0:02:12- Eirfyl, Ken and Jac - are the first here every morning.
0:02:14 > 0:02:18- They can then sit back and watch - everyone settle in for the day.
0:02:30 > 0:02:31- Is that for us?
0:02:38 > 0:02:41- Did you see how easy that was?
0:02:41 > 0:02:43- Yes, it was very easy.
0:02:47 > 0:02:51- June also keeps a close eye - on the comings and goings.
0:02:57 > 0:02:59- Most of them live alone.
0:03:00 > 0:03:02- We're the only ones they see - in the week.
0:03:03 > 0:03:05- It's the company, - more than anything.
0:03:06 > 0:03:07- Someone to talk to.
0:03:07 > 0:03:09- You look very glamorous, Yvonne.
0:03:09 > 0:03:11- You look very glamorous, Yvonne.- - I don't feel glamorous.
0:03:11 > 0:03:15- The last, but not least, - to arrive every day is Yvonne.
0:03:17 > 0:03:19- From day one - that she walked in here...
0:03:20 > 0:03:22- ..she has been the life and soul.
0:03:22 > 0:03:23- She comes in late...
0:03:24 > 0:03:26- ..and she makes an entrance!
0:03:26 > 0:03:27- Have you done that properly?
0:03:27 > 0:03:28- Have you done that properly?- - Yes, I have.
0:03:28 > 0:03:30- Oh, this one's good.
0:03:30 > 0:03:33- This one's useless.
0:03:33 > 0:03:36- She doesn't mind what she says, - please or offend.
0:03:36 > 0:03:39- To be honest, - I didn't want to come here.
0:03:39 > 0:03:42- I told the children - it was for old people.
0:03:42 > 0:03:44- "That's what you are!"
0:03:44 > 0:03:46- Inside, I'm still 18.
0:03:47 > 0:03:50- Blod beats you all, and she's 100!
0:03:50 > 0:03:52- No, I'm not 100 yet.
0:03:52 > 0:03:54- Just about.
0:03:54 > 0:03:56- I've got six months to go.
0:03:57 > 0:03:58- Six months?
0:03:58 > 0:03:59- Six months?- - I think so.
0:03:59 > 0:04:01- January.
0:04:05 > 0:04:08- You're right, six months.
0:04:09 > 0:04:13- For Blod, every day - is a day to celebrate.
0:04:14 > 0:04:17- I'm 99, and I've had a happy life...
0:04:17 > 0:04:20- ..with my children and my husband.
0:04:20 > 0:04:24- Now, I'm 99, and enjoying myself - up here at the centre.
0:04:27 > 0:04:31- All the pensioners have agreed - to take part in the experiment.
0:04:31 > 0:04:34- We've looked - at people's backgrounds.
0:04:35 > 0:04:38- We have a woman - who had MS at a young age.
0:04:38 > 0:04:41- There's a big gap between her - and the oldest, who's 99.
0:04:42 > 0:04:46- We want them to enjoy - the company of children...
0:04:46 > 0:04:49- ..and forget about life's worries.
0:04:49 > 0:04:52- Do you know - what kills me on television?
0:04:52 > 0:04:55- Those child refugees, on television.
0:04:56 > 0:04:57- Little children.
0:04:57 > 0:05:00- Little children.- - You'll see children here now.
0:05:01 > 0:05:07- The children about to join - the OAPs in Cwmamman are these.
0:05:07 > 0:05:11- I have to bat the insects.
0:05:11 > 0:05:13- They're all under four.
0:05:14 > 0:05:15- An insect bat.
0:05:15 > 0:05:16- I'm young.
0:05:17 > 0:05:18- You're young?
0:05:19 > 0:05:20- Who's old?
0:05:21 > 0:05:22- Nain and Taid.
0:05:24 > 0:05:26- Times have changed.
0:05:26 > 0:05:28- Mothers do go out to work now...
0:05:29 > 0:05:32- ..so children come to nurseries - like Cae'r Ffair.
0:05:35 > 0:05:39- We have children aged two - up to three and a half.
0:05:39 > 0:05:43- Children of this age - don't yet understand...
0:05:43 > 0:05:48- ..the concept of what being old is - or what being young is.
0:05:48 > 0:05:51- How old are Nain and Taid?
0:05:51 > 0:05:53- What age are they?
0:05:53 > 0:05:54- What age are they?- - I don't know.
0:05:54 > 0:05:55- They're old.
0:05:56 > 0:05:57- Keen to start the adventure...
0:05:57 > 0:06:00- Keen to start the adventure...- - What about the old people?
0:06:02 > 0:06:06- ..the children arrive - at the Cwmamman Day Centre.
0:06:06 > 0:06:11- Among the OAPs, this will be - their nursery for three days.
0:06:13 > 0:06:16- For the experiment, - the psychologists...
0:06:17 > 0:06:21- ..have examined the backgrounds - of every child and OAP.
0:06:21 > 0:06:26- They have never met before, - so the experiment's first aim...
0:06:26 > 0:06:29- ..is to get everyone - talking to each other.
0:06:30 > 0:06:33- But for Mac, - that's easier said than done.
0:06:36 > 0:06:39- The pensioner from Garnant - gets up from his chair...
0:06:40 > 0:06:43- ..worried about - what's about to happen.
0:06:46 > 0:06:48- He's had a bad weekend.
0:06:48 > 0:06:53- He was crying, he didn't want - to be here, he wanted to go home.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57- During our research, - Mac had told us...
0:06:57 > 0:07:02- ..that he was rather worried about - how he'd react to the children...
0:07:02 > 0:07:06- ..because of mental health issues - over recent years.
0:07:06 > 0:07:10- He had retired - and he had lost his wife...
0:07:10 > 0:07:13- ..and had been through - a bad time mentally.
0:07:13 > 0:07:18- I think he has worried a lot - about his reaction to this change.
0:07:18 > 0:07:21- At 86, I don't have much - to look forward to.
0:07:23 > 0:07:25- I don't know - how I'll be with children.
0:07:25 > 0:07:28- With my own children, I'm not bad.
0:07:28 > 0:07:30- Other children, I don't know.
0:07:30 > 0:07:36- The rest of the pensioners - have noticed Mac's absence.
0:07:36 > 0:07:37- Where's he gone now then?
0:07:37 > 0:07:40- Where's he gone now then?- - Who? That's what he's like.
0:07:41 > 0:07:42- He's coming back now.
0:07:46 > 0:07:51- Mac is back to give it a go, - but on his own terms.
0:07:53 > 0:07:55- Every day isn't the same for me.
0:07:56 > 0:08:00- If I feel awkward, - I'll go somewhere else.
0:08:02 > 0:08:06- But it's hard to escape now - with the children at the door.
0:08:07 > 0:08:09- The children are here.
0:08:12 > 0:08:13- I've seen them.
0:08:14 > 0:08:16- They're out there.
0:08:17 > 0:08:19- With the first greeting...
0:08:20 > 0:08:21- Hello!
0:08:21 > 0:08:22- Hello!
0:08:22 > 0:08:24- ..the experiment begins.
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0:08:33 > 0:08:35- At a Cwmamman day centre...
0:08:36 > 0:08:38- ..an important experiment - is taking place.
0:08:39 > 0:08:44- Children and pensioners - are sharing their day care.
0:08:44 > 0:08:49- Psychologists from Bangor University - are behind the experiment...
0:08:49 > 0:08:53- ..and they will monitor - everything that happens.
0:08:53 > 0:08:56- Today is the first day - of the experiment...
0:08:57 > 0:09:01- ..and the two generations are - about to meet for the first time.
0:09:11 > 0:09:15- The pensioners' faces lit up.
0:09:22 > 0:09:26- Jac is the first to bend down - to welcome the children...
0:09:27 > 0:09:30- ..despite suffering from arthritis.
0:09:36 > 0:09:39- But getting back into his chair - isn't as easy.
0:09:39 > 0:09:41- OK, give me your hand.
0:09:49 > 0:09:53- He instinctively went to them, - knowing getting back up was a job.
0:09:55 > 0:09:59- Ken is the next one - to welcome the youngsters.
0:10:05 > 0:10:07- # I saw a jackdaw
0:10:08 > 0:10:10- # Sitting on the roof
0:10:11 > 0:10:13- # A white hat on its head - and two wooden legs
0:10:14 > 0:10:17- # Ho ho ho ho ho ho #
0:10:22 > 0:10:25- Ken is sociable, he enjoys people.
0:10:25 > 0:10:28- He's spent a lot of time - with his family...
0:10:28 > 0:10:31- ..and with children - growing up around him.
0:10:31 > 0:10:35- Ken is confident - and enjoys being with children.
0:10:38 > 0:10:41- I'm 86 and I've had a good life.
0:10:41 > 0:10:42- I've enjoyed myself.
0:10:44 > 0:10:48- Ken now lives alone, - having lost his wife ten years ago.
0:10:50 > 0:10:51- She was a good wife.
0:10:52 > 0:10:55- The day I got married - was the best day of my life.
0:10:58 > 0:11:00- She couldn't have children.
0:11:00 > 0:11:04- We waited about six months, - the wife and I...
0:11:05 > 0:11:06- ..then we adopted.
0:11:07 > 0:11:10- I've got a grandson now.
0:11:12 > 0:11:15- He means the world to me.
0:11:15 > 0:11:16- I worship him.
0:11:17 > 0:11:20- He comes up - and puts his arms around me.
0:11:20 > 0:11:22- A kiss before leaving, everything.
0:11:23 > 0:11:24- He's a good one.
0:11:25 > 0:11:29- To help the children - get to know their older friends...
0:11:29 > 0:11:34- ..the psychologists have created - numerous activities and games.
0:11:34 > 0:11:37- When children meet new people...
0:11:38 > 0:11:41- ..they don't start to talk - right away.
0:11:41 > 0:11:42- They're very shy.
0:11:42 > 0:11:44- They're very uncertain.
0:11:44 > 0:11:49- We hope this activity - will help warm them up, in a way...
0:11:49 > 0:11:52- ..so that they don't - have to talk right away.
0:11:54 > 0:11:56- The first game is the parachute.
0:11:56 > 0:12:01- Everyone must work together - to keep the balloons in the air.
0:12:03 > 0:12:06- I'll go into the middle - and you can throw me up.
0:12:06 > 0:12:07- You're too heavy.
0:12:07 > 0:12:09- You're too heavy.- - No, I've lost weight.
0:12:11 > 0:12:14- Blod is the first - to join in the fun.
0:12:17 > 0:12:20- She may be 99, - but she's the liveliest one here.
0:12:21 > 0:12:24- She has a firm opinion - about what children need.
0:12:26 > 0:12:30- Have all the little ones together.
0:12:30 > 0:12:34- When I see them coming, - I'm up in the air.
0:12:37 > 0:12:39- When the little children come, - I'm happy.
0:12:41 > 0:12:46- I'm sorry to say this, but mothers - should be home with their children.
0:12:46 > 0:12:48- But times have changed now.
0:12:48 > 0:12:50- Times have changed.
0:12:50 > 0:12:55- Irene, who has had MS from a young - age, isn't as keen to join in.
0:12:55 > 0:12:58- She has a phobia about balloons.
0:12:58 > 0:13:02- If one does blow up, - burst or whatever...
0:13:03 > 0:13:06- ..I get such a shock.
0:13:06 > 0:13:08- I start to shake all over.
0:13:08 > 0:13:09- I can't...
0:13:10 > 0:13:11- Yes, it is a shock.
0:13:18 > 0:13:22- Gwion, at three and a half...
0:13:22 > 0:13:25- ..is the eldest - and most confident child.
0:13:31 > 0:13:34- Ken's making more and more effort - to get his attention.
0:13:39 > 0:13:41- Although he's sitting with Ken...
0:13:41 > 0:13:45- ..Eirfyl hasn't interacted much - with the children so far.
0:13:46 > 0:13:50- The psychologists have noticed, - and try to address it over lunch.
0:13:52 > 0:13:57- Every day, the pensioners - have a hot lunch and pudding.
0:13:58 > 0:14:01- This week, the children join them.
0:14:01 > 0:14:05- The psychologists - have put friends Gwion and Cian...
0:14:05 > 0:14:10- ..on the same table as two - other friends, Ken and Eirfyl.
0:14:10 > 0:14:15- We had two on the table with us, - and they were shy to start with.
0:14:15 > 0:14:17- It was lovely to have their company.
0:14:18 > 0:14:22- Eirfyl and Ken's meals - arrive first - ham, chips and peas.
0:14:23 > 0:14:26- Where's my food?
0:14:26 > 0:14:28- Where's my food?- - It's coming now.
0:14:55 > 0:14:57- That's nice, isn't it?
0:14:57 > 0:15:02- Ken has already given a chip to - Gwion whilst he waits for his food.
0:15:04 > 0:15:06- Is Eirfyl going to share?
0:15:13 > 0:15:15- Give him a chip!
0:15:15 > 0:15:17- Give him a chip!
0:15:26 > 0:15:30- Thanks to Ken's encouragement, - Cian gets his chip...
0:15:30 > 0:15:34- ..and Eirfyl has been reminded - of his role as an adult.
0:15:34 > 0:15:38- Eirfyl is living - with a diagnosis of dementia...
0:15:38 > 0:15:41- ..and Ken helps - by reminding him to do things...
0:15:41 > 0:15:45- ..that maybe Eirfyl - doesn't remember any more.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50- This is a good photo, - taken in Singapore.
0:15:53 > 0:15:56- He's been forgetting things...
0:15:57 > 0:16:00- ..over the past year, - 18 months, two years maybe.
0:16:00 > 0:16:05- The doctor diagnosed him - with vascular dementia.
0:16:06 > 0:16:09- There's nothing - they can do about it.
0:16:09 > 0:16:13- Eirfyl and Rhiannon raised three - children in their home in Llandybie.
0:16:14 > 0:16:18- But because of the dementia, - Eirfyl's clearest memories now...
0:16:19 > 0:16:21- ..are of his time in the army.
0:16:21 > 0:16:24- I went out in January 1953...
0:16:24 > 0:16:27- ..and came back - the following January.
0:16:28 > 0:16:31- We went out by ship - and stopped in Hong Kong.
0:16:31 > 0:16:35- I was with a Cockney, - and I said, "Excuse the lingo."
0:16:35 > 0:16:38- "It's alright, Taff, - he's paying for the beer."
0:16:39 > 0:16:44- He remembers more of the time - when he was a youngster than now.
0:16:44 > 0:16:46- I hear these stories every day.
0:16:47 > 0:16:48- I'm always hearing them.
0:16:49 > 0:16:52- That doesn't change, unfortunately.
0:16:54 > 0:16:57- As soon as lunch with the children - on that first day...
0:16:58 > 0:17:02- ..the psychologists notice a change - in Eirfyl's behaviour.
0:17:02 > 0:17:05- The children - draw him into the present.
0:17:06 > 0:17:11- These new activities give Eirfyl - a chance to forget his worries.
0:17:12 > 0:17:15- He can just enjoy - being with the children.
0:17:15 > 0:17:17- Wonderful.
0:17:18 > 0:17:21- Money can't buy something like that.
0:17:22 > 0:17:27- They listened, and they ate - their food just like you and me.
0:17:28 > 0:17:29- A knife and fork.
0:17:32 > 0:17:34- And a dessert afterwards.
0:17:37 > 0:17:38- Very good.
0:17:40 > 0:17:42- After lunch, - Eirfyl is a different man...
0:17:43 > 0:17:45- ..totally immersed - with the children.
0:17:46 > 0:17:47- Cap.
0:17:47 > 0:17:48- Chef at the front.
0:17:52 > 0:17:53- Good boy!
0:17:53 > 0:17:57- I'm not sure who said it to me, - if it was Eirfyl or Ken...
0:17:57 > 0:18:01- One of them said, - "It just brings back memories."
0:18:01 > 0:18:03- Happy memories.
0:18:04 > 0:18:07- The children - are obviously triggering...
0:18:07 > 0:18:10- ..their happy memories - of childhood or family life...
0:18:11 > 0:18:12- ..or whatever.
0:18:15 > 0:18:18- With Ken's support - and being with the children...
0:18:19 > 0:18:23- ..Eirfyl enjoyed himself, - and perked up no end.
0:18:29 > 0:18:33- Very often, people withdraw - if they have dementia...
0:18:33 > 0:18:36- ..and withdraw from communicating.
0:18:36 > 0:18:40- It shows that children - can get the best out of people.
0:18:42 > 0:18:46- By the end of the day, - there's no stopping the play.
0:18:46 > 0:18:51- The children gain the confidence - to talk with their older friends...
0:18:51 > 0:18:55- ..like Lili Gwen and Blod, - with a 97-year age difference.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59- I'm a doctor and you have to...
0:19:00 > 0:19:02- Are you going to be a doctor - when you grow up?
0:19:03 > 0:19:07- When you grow up, - you have to take medicine.
0:19:08 > 0:19:11- What's he then? Isn't he a doctor?
0:19:12 > 0:19:14- Yvonne is as plain-speaking as ever.
0:19:16 > 0:19:18- I want a lady doctor.
0:19:18 > 0:19:22- I'm not having a man - looking at my chest, right.
0:19:25 > 0:19:27- I've enjoyed every minute.
0:19:27 > 0:19:29- They weren't afraid of us.
0:19:29 > 0:19:32- They were very much at home.
0:19:32 > 0:19:36- I could take to them, - which isn't true of every child.
0:19:36 > 0:19:39- Day one of the experiment is over.
0:19:39 > 0:19:43- It's time for the children to bid - farewell to their new friends.
0:19:44 > 0:19:46- # Goodbye, friends
0:19:47 > 0:19:50- # Goodbye, friends
0:19:50 > 0:19:53- # Goodbye, friends
0:19:53 > 0:19:55- # It's time to say goodbye #
0:19:56 > 0:19:59- Goodbye!
0:20:06 > 0:20:07- Thank you, boys.
0:20:10 > 0:20:12- You have been a good boy.
0:20:13 > 0:20:14- You have been a good boy.
0:20:27 > 0:20:29- Very good.
0:20:32 > 0:20:33- Well-behaved.
0:20:38 > 0:20:43- The children will be back tomorrow - for more interaction and play.
0:20:43 > 0:20:45- I enjoyed that.
0:20:45 > 0:20:48- I think everyone did.
0:20:49 > 0:20:50- They're coming again.
0:20:50 > 0:20:51- They're coming again.- - Again?
0:20:51 > 0:20:52- Yes.
0:20:52 > 0:20:53- Yes.- - Oh, right.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56- I'll enjoy tomorrow as well then.
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0:21:11 > 0:21:14- For three days, - the day centre in Cwmamman...
0:21:14 > 0:21:18- ..is doubling as a nursery - for six small children.
0:21:19 > 0:21:22- Yesterday, the men - took the children's attention.
0:21:23 > 0:21:25- It's nice to see healthy children.
0:21:26 > 0:21:28- Are your knees OK after yesterday?
0:21:28 > 0:21:31- Are your knees OK after yesterday?- - Just about!
0:21:32 > 0:21:35- I was wondering - how you were going to get back up!
0:21:35 > 0:21:37- It's day two of the experiment...
0:21:38 > 0:21:41- ..and the pensioners - eagerly wait for the children.
0:21:41 > 0:21:44- In the meantime, - there's a chance to have a chat.
0:21:45 > 0:21:47- I was the only woman on the bus.
0:21:47 > 0:21:49- I was the only woman on the bus.
0:21:50 > 0:21:51- Excitement!
0:21:53 > 0:21:56- June and Doris - always sit next to each other.
0:21:59 > 0:22:01- Not tonight, Josephine.
0:22:02 > 0:22:05- Do you know who said that? Napoleon.
0:22:07 > 0:22:08- Napoleon!
0:22:10 > 0:22:13- Because of my health, - I didn't have children.
0:22:14 > 0:22:16- I didn't just contract TB.
0:22:16 > 0:22:20- I don't think I'd like - to have been married with children.
0:22:20 > 0:22:24- Women today - are altogether different.
0:22:29 > 0:22:30- She knows us!
0:22:32 > 0:22:33- Have you had breakfast?
0:22:36 > 0:22:40- Mac found it hard - to be with the children yesterday.
0:22:40 > 0:22:44- Today, he's among the first - in to welcome them.
0:22:45 > 0:22:46- Little children.
0:22:48 > 0:22:50- They're funny, aren't they?
0:22:52 > 0:22:54- Thirty-one all, ten minutes to go.
0:22:54 > 0:22:59- But for now, his mind is on rugby, - as the Lions play New Zealand.
0:23:00 > 0:23:05- They're all good players - before they go on tour.
0:23:05 > 0:23:09- The English, they're biased - against the Welsh and the Irish.
0:23:10 > 0:23:11- Don't start.
0:23:11 > 0:23:14- No, no, they're not.
0:23:15 > 0:23:19- Carwyn James managed the Lions. - He wasn't good enough for Wales.
0:23:20 > 0:23:21- Am I right?
0:23:21 > 0:23:22- Am I right?- - You're spot on.
0:23:22 > 0:23:25- Because he was Plaid Cymru.
0:23:25 > 0:23:27- Yes, yes, yes.
0:23:27 > 0:23:31- When the children arrive, - they're miked up.
0:23:32 > 0:23:34- The psychologists - can then listen in...
0:23:34 > 0:23:37- ..and tailor activities - with the OAPs.
0:23:50 > 0:23:53- On the second day, - we're giving the quieter adults...
0:23:54 > 0:23:57- ..an opportunity - to spend time with the children...
0:23:57 > 0:24:00- ..to see what difference - that could make.
0:24:01 > 0:24:04- The psychologists - have given books to the children.
0:24:04 > 0:24:09- None of the children, who are two - and three, can read themselves yet.
0:24:09 > 0:24:11- They must look for help.
0:24:13 > 0:24:15- Mac's getting up.
0:24:15 > 0:24:16- Mac's getting up.- - Yes.
0:24:17 > 0:24:19- I hope he comes back.
0:24:19 > 0:24:21- Children have a way with them.
0:24:21 > 0:24:23- But I don't have the patience.
0:24:24 > 0:24:25- It's in short supply.
0:24:25 > 0:24:28- Jac y Jwc has fallen.
0:24:28 > 0:24:29- Jac the jumper.
0:24:29 > 0:24:34- The psychologists want to attract - more women into the activities.
0:24:34 > 0:24:38- Over a story, Yvonne - has a chance to meet Gruffydd.
0:24:38 > 0:24:40- Do you want to sit on my lap?
0:24:41 > 0:24:42- Are you going to sit on my lap?
0:24:43 > 0:24:45- Our youngest child is Gruffydd.
0:24:46 > 0:24:48- He's very mature for his age.
0:24:48 > 0:24:50- I'd like to give him the chance...
0:24:51 > 0:24:54- ..to sit, one to one, - while engaged in an activity.
0:24:55 > 0:24:58- I'd like an adult - to start a conversation...
0:24:58 > 0:25:00- ..to hear what Gruffydd has to say.
0:25:00 > 0:25:02- Are you coming home to live with me?
0:25:02 > 0:25:03- Are you coming home to live with me?- - No.
0:25:04 > 0:25:05- I'd pamper you a lot!
0:25:06 > 0:25:07- No.
0:25:10 > 0:25:12- Do you have brothers or sisters?
0:25:13 > 0:25:14- I've got a setter.
0:25:14 > 0:25:15- What?
0:25:15 > 0:25:16- What?- - A setter.
0:25:17 > 0:25:18- A setter.
0:25:20 > 0:25:23- Mami's baby has gone.
0:25:24 > 0:25:26- Mami's baby has gone.
0:25:27 > 0:25:29- Mami's baby has gone.
0:25:29 > 0:25:30- Gone?
0:25:30 > 0:25:31- Gone?- - Yes.
0:25:32 > 0:25:33- What was wrong?
0:25:33 > 0:25:37- The baby's happy in the sky.
0:25:38 > 0:25:39- Oh.
0:25:48 > 0:25:52- Unfortunately, - I recently had a stillbirth.
0:25:53 > 0:25:56- A little girl we've called Manon.
0:25:56 > 0:26:00- It's been a very tough time - for us as a family, really.
0:26:00 > 0:26:02- A difficult time.
0:26:04 > 0:26:07- But as the baby had gone, - we had to explain that.
0:26:08 > 0:26:12- It wasn't enough - just to say that the baby had gone.
0:26:13 > 0:26:16- He wanted to know why she'd gone.
0:26:17 > 0:26:22- We still have times when we're sad, - because it only happened in April.
0:26:23 > 0:26:27- When you come home - after something like that...
0:26:27 > 0:26:32- ..after a doctor's appointment, - after losing a baby at birth...
0:26:32 > 0:26:34- ..you come home and he's here...
0:26:34 > 0:26:36- ..he does raise your spirits.
0:26:36 > 0:26:38- You have to move on with life.
0:26:39 > 0:26:42- You have to be happy if he's proud - of something he's done.
0:26:42 > 0:26:45- You have to show you're happy too.
0:26:45 > 0:26:49- Having him here - has helped us through it.
0:26:49 > 0:26:53- He's been a tonic for us, I think.
0:26:59 > 0:27:00- You're cuddly.
0:27:08 > 0:27:11- Are the children - eating with us today?
0:27:11 > 0:27:12- Yes.
0:27:12 > 0:27:13- Yes.- - Very good.
0:27:13 > 0:27:14- Very good.
0:27:15 > 0:27:17- I hope they don't get frightened!
0:27:17 > 0:27:23- Over sausage and mash, June and Ken - are joined by Cian and Gwion.
0:27:24 > 0:27:27- Mac eats with Noa and Gruff.
0:27:27 > 0:27:29- But it's not a good start for Noa.
0:27:29 > 0:27:31- It's alright, she's coming.
0:27:32 > 0:27:34- Don't cry.
0:27:35 > 0:27:37- It doesn't matter about that.
0:27:37 > 0:27:39- Never mind.
0:27:39 > 0:27:41- Oh!
0:27:41 > 0:27:42- Oh!- - I'll take the blame.
0:27:42 > 0:27:44- I'll take the blame.
0:27:45 > 0:27:46- I was talking to him.
0:27:48 > 0:27:52- The fact that Mac - just stood up for Noa...
0:27:52 > 0:27:55- ..won't just boost Noa's confidence.
0:27:55 > 0:28:00- I think it'll also create - a special connection between them.
0:28:00 > 0:28:05- It's not all sweetness and light - on the next table either.
0:28:09 > 0:28:14- Cian and Gwion are trying everything - to get Ken and June's attention.
0:28:18 > 0:28:20- He's a naughty one.
0:28:21 > 0:28:24- Ken called Gwion and Cian - naughty children.
0:28:26 > 0:28:30- When he does that, - they react in a mischievous way.
0:28:30 > 0:28:31- Do you like it?
0:28:31 > 0:28:32- Do you like it?- - You're stupid!
0:28:33 > 0:28:34- Oh!
0:28:34 > 0:28:35- Gwion!
0:28:39 > 0:28:41- Hey, don't.
0:28:41 > 0:28:46- In this situation, it's so easy - to label a child as naughty.
0:28:46 > 0:28:52- The reason parents do that is for - a child to learn the difference...
0:28:52 > 0:28:54- ..between good and bad behaviour.
0:28:55 > 0:29:00- By labelling children - as naughty over and over...
0:29:01 > 0:29:04- ..that can motivate them - to misbehave...
0:29:04 > 0:29:08- ..and then view themselves - as naughty children.
0:29:17 > 0:29:20- The silence around the table...
0:29:20 > 0:29:24- ..shows that his hasn't been - enjoyable for anyone.
0:29:25 > 0:29:27- We want to change things...
0:29:27 > 0:29:31- ..to see how we can show - that good behaviour is rewarded.
0:29:31 > 0:29:35- The psychologists - want the OAPs and the children...
0:29:35 > 0:29:38- ..to work as a team - while decorating a cake.
0:29:39 > 0:29:43- It's a competition, so the team - that works together best will win.
0:29:43 > 0:29:44- That's good!
0:29:45 > 0:29:47- That is good.
0:29:48 > 0:29:52- June is joined by Gwion, - by himself this time.
0:29:52 > 0:29:54- June, brace yourself.
0:29:59 > 0:30:02- I press them down, easy.
0:30:02 > 0:30:07- June is ready to encourage Gwion, - and praises him often.
0:30:07 > 0:30:12- She's used to handling boys, - having spent years as a childminder.
0:30:13 > 0:30:15- This takes me back years, you know.
0:30:16 > 0:30:20- I used to look after - a lot of children...
0:30:20 > 0:30:21- ..especially boys.
0:30:25 > 0:30:28- Mac has agreed to take part - in the competition as well.
0:30:29 > 0:30:32- After he took the blame - for the spilt drink...
0:30:33 > 0:30:36- ..the psychologists - have paired him with Noa.
0:30:37 > 0:30:38- What's that?
0:30:38 > 0:30:39- What's that?- - A big one!
0:30:44 > 0:30:45- Oh, you're good.
0:30:45 > 0:30:47- That's very good.
0:30:47 > 0:30:49- He's talking nice and gently.
0:30:50 > 0:30:51- Very good.
0:30:51 > 0:30:52- The blue one next.
0:30:53 > 0:30:56- You're very good, aren't you?
0:30:56 > 0:30:59- Can I eat one of these?
0:30:59 > 0:31:01- Can I eat one of these?- - Alright.
0:31:03 > 0:31:05- Don't tell anyone!
0:31:05 > 0:31:07- We'll get a row!
0:31:08 > 0:31:13- It's interesting to watch Mac - supporting Noa, who's sensitive too.
0:31:13 > 0:31:17- Working with a child he doesn't know - helps his confidence.
0:31:18 > 0:31:20- No-one knew each other - before we began.
0:31:21 > 0:31:23- We're partners, aren't we, Noa?
0:31:24 > 0:31:26- We're friends, aren't we?
0:31:27 > 0:31:28- Didn't we make a nice cake?
0:31:31 > 0:31:32- Don't tell the teacher.
0:31:33 > 0:31:34- We'll get a row!
0:31:34 > 0:31:37- Will he put it back on the cake?
0:31:38 > 0:31:40- Never mind.
0:31:40 > 0:31:42- Never mind.- - No, never mind.
0:31:44 > 0:31:46- You're pressing too hard.
0:31:46 > 0:31:47- There you are.
0:31:48 > 0:31:52- A different gentleman - to what we saw yesterday morning.
0:31:52 > 0:31:57- He was almost frightened then, - of what was going to happen...
0:31:57 > 0:31:59- ..despite us reassuring him.
0:32:00 > 0:32:03- Just seeing him come alive - with the children...
0:32:04 > 0:32:08- ..and being the Mac - that we know is there...
0:32:08 > 0:32:11- ..but don't always see, - if that makes sense.
0:32:11 > 0:32:14- Who won the best cake in Cwmamman?
0:32:15 > 0:32:18- Mac and Noa, - for such great teamwork.
0:32:19 > 0:32:21- You won, Noa!
0:32:21 > 0:32:22- Thank you, Noa!
0:32:23 > 0:32:24- Thank you!
0:32:24 > 0:32:26- Well done, Mac!
0:32:29 > 0:32:30- Do you want one?
0:32:30 > 0:32:32- They're more open, aren't they?
0:32:32 > 0:32:33- They're more open, aren't they?- - Yes.
0:32:33 > 0:32:36- They've mixed a lot more.
0:32:36 > 0:32:39- Mac sits out here - by himself, reading.
0:32:40 > 0:32:43- But this week, - he's been in there most of the time.
0:32:44 > 0:32:47- We're all here for the same thing.
0:32:47 > 0:32:50- We're all here - because we love our job.
0:32:50 > 0:32:53- We want to make a difference - to people's lives.
0:32:54 > 0:32:58- Something like this - is really making a difference.
0:32:58 > 0:33:01- You can see the benefit, - they're full of smiles and excited.
0:33:02 > 0:33:04- It's a wonderful experience so far.
0:33:04 > 0:33:07- Are you going now? Shake hands?
0:33:15 > 0:33:17- Another day ends at the centre.
0:33:17 > 0:33:22- Most of the OAPs are taken home - by the centre's minibus.
0:33:22 > 0:33:25- But without fail, every day...
0:33:25 > 0:33:29- ..Yvonne is driven home - by Hywel, her husband.
0:33:30 > 0:33:31- You're not in tomorrow.
0:33:32 > 0:33:35- I've told Bernadette - you're having a day off tomorrow.
0:33:36 > 0:33:37- Did you say why?
0:33:37 > 0:33:41- Shopping and dinner, tell him.
0:33:41 > 0:33:44- It's our anniversary, it is.
0:33:44 > 0:33:46- 59 years.
0:33:52 > 0:33:56- I was somewhat shy as a lad.
0:33:57 > 0:34:01- I heard where she went - on a Saturday night...
0:34:01 > 0:34:02- ..regularly.
0:34:02 > 0:34:03- To the dances..
0:34:04 > 0:34:06- I liked dancing.
0:34:07 > 0:34:10- It didn't matter - how old or how ugly they were.
0:34:10 > 0:34:13- If they could dance, - they were alright with me.
0:34:14 > 0:34:15- The tango was best.
0:34:15 > 0:34:17- Oh, they held you.
0:34:18 > 0:34:20- It was lovely.
0:34:20 > 0:34:23- She had seen me, believe you me.
0:34:23 > 0:34:24- No, I was joking when I said that.
0:34:24 > 0:34:27- No, I was joking when I said that.- - She knew I was there.
0:34:28 > 0:34:31- I got a yen one Saturday...
0:34:31 > 0:34:34- ..and asked - if she wanted me to take her home.
0:34:35 > 0:34:38- Yvonne's health - has deteriorated recently.
0:34:38 > 0:34:42- Three years ago, - she was diagnosed with dementia.
0:34:46 > 0:34:50- The doctor sympathized with me...
0:34:50 > 0:34:52- ..and said, "I'm sorry."
0:34:52 > 0:34:56- "You can't do nothing about it, - it's happened," I said.
0:34:56 > 0:34:59- No-one can do a thing.
0:34:59 > 0:35:02- No-one can do a thing.- - My life has changed completely.
0:35:02 > 0:35:07- It's a heavy burden, - and it takes up all my time.
0:35:07 > 0:35:12- The main thing you have to face - is that she won't get better.
0:35:12 > 0:35:15- The situation will only get worse.
0:35:15 > 0:35:20- That does sadden you - and dishearten you at times.
0:35:20 > 0:35:24- But I can't let that - affect my contribution.
0:35:24 > 0:35:27- We're getting through it, - aren't we, Yvonne?
0:35:27 > 0:35:31- That's why I feel - that our love is still growing.
0:35:31 > 0:35:32- Isn't it?
0:35:32 > 0:35:34- Probably.
0:35:34 > 0:35:37- Or you'd have packed your bags, - the way I shout at you.
0:35:38 > 0:35:41- In one ear, Yvonne, - and out the other.
0:35:41 > 0:35:43- That's how it is.
0:35:47 > 0:35:51- Tomorrow is the final day - of the experiment in Cwmamman.
0:35:52 > 0:35:57- To end the experience, - both the children and the OAPs...
0:35:58 > 0:36:03- ..are taken back to a dance, - a time when everyone feels young.
0:36:04 > 0:36:04- .
0:36:09 > 0:36:09- Subtitles
0:36:09 > 0:36:11- Subtitles- - Subtitles
0:36:14 > 0:36:20- Over three days, this day centre - has been a nursery for six children.
0:36:20 > 0:36:23- This is the final day - of the experiment.
0:36:23 > 0:36:28- The psychologists want to create a - special memory for both generations.
0:36:28 > 0:36:33- There's a party, and everyone - arrives dressed to the nines.
0:36:33 > 0:36:36- A party this afternoon? Oh, dear me.
0:36:37 > 0:36:38- There we are.
0:36:39 > 0:36:40- Don't get me drunk!
0:36:41 > 0:36:46- Ken has arrived as well, - despite a difficult morning.
0:36:46 > 0:36:47- He'd fallen this morning.
0:36:47 > 0:36:48- He'd fallen this morning.- - You fell?
0:36:48 > 0:36:51- He was flat out, but he's alright.
0:36:51 > 0:36:52- He has survived.
0:36:53 > 0:36:54- I missed a step.
0:36:54 > 0:36:56- I'm like that.
0:36:56 > 0:37:00- Apparently, Jeff the driver's - gone in and Ken was on the floor.
0:37:01 > 0:37:04- He said - he'd lost his balance and fallen.
0:37:04 > 0:37:09- You get better service - than the wife.
0:37:09 > 0:37:10- Your tea's there.
0:37:10 > 0:37:11- Your tea's there.- - Thank you, bach.
0:37:13 > 0:37:18- Ken had been on the floor for almost - half an hour before he was found.
0:37:18 > 0:37:20- I'm alright now.
0:37:20 > 0:37:22- It happened like that.
0:37:24 > 0:37:26- Do you feel OK now?
0:37:26 > 0:37:27- Are you alright now?
0:37:27 > 0:37:29- Yes, good now.
0:37:34 > 0:37:38- I miss the children, - even though they were busy.
0:37:38 > 0:37:41- I'm more relaxed, you know.
0:37:41 > 0:37:45- I'm more relaxed, you know.- - The two who eat with me are great.
0:37:45 > 0:37:47- Are they coming today?
0:37:47 > 0:37:48- Are they coming today?- - Yes, they won't be long.
0:37:48 > 0:37:49- Lovely.
0:37:49 > 0:37:51- Lovely.- - Are you looking forward to it?
0:37:52 > 0:37:54- Mine's naughty and his is gentle!
0:37:55 > 0:37:58- The children have arrived.
0:37:59 > 0:38:03- Everyone's looking forward - to a day of celebrations.
0:38:11 > 0:38:13- Spending time - with the children...
0:38:14 > 0:38:18- ..takes the OAPs back to a time - when they were young themselves.
0:38:19 > 0:38:23- Children are the same, - but there's television today.
0:38:24 > 0:38:28- When they get home, they can watch - whatever they want on television.
0:38:28 > 0:38:30- That's modern life.
0:38:30 > 0:38:34- We used to play - top and whip and marbles.
0:38:36 > 0:38:39- Tyres, and playing conkers.
0:38:40 > 0:38:43- You need a helmet today, - health and safety.
0:38:55 > 0:38:58- Lovely. That's made my day.
0:38:58 > 0:38:59- Hello.
0:38:59 > 0:39:00- Hello.- - Hello.
0:39:01 > 0:39:03- I've enjoyed my time with them.
0:39:04 > 0:39:06- As they say, make the most of it.
0:39:06 > 0:39:07- Stickers.
0:39:14 > 0:39:19- They take these off something - and stick them on this.
0:39:19 > 0:39:20- I had one on my nose.
0:39:20 > 0:39:22- It's fallen off now.
0:39:22 > 0:39:24- And on my forehead.
0:39:30 > 0:39:31- You're good.
0:39:31 > 0:39:35- Irene has made an effort - to come today.
0:39:37 > 0:39:41- She doesn't usually come - to the centre on a Thursday.
0:39:41 > 0:39:45- She undergoes treatment for her MS - in an oxygen chamber.
0:39:45 > 0:39:51- The oxygen goes direct to the body.
0:39:51 > 0:39:57- It improves the circulation - of the blood to the head.
0:39:57 > 0:40:02- That's what MS is, - damage to the brain.
0:40:02 > 0:40:06- Irene was only 28 - when she was diagnosed with MS.
0:40:07 > 0:40:10- At the time, - she had two young children.
0:40:11 > 0:40:13- I lost out, yes...
0:40:13 > 0:40:17- ..because I couldn't walk - and be out with them.
0:40:17 > 0:40:21- But that was my life, - I didn't know any different.
0:40:21 > 0:40:25- They didn't take any notice - of the chair today.
0:40:25 > 0:40:28- I don't know, I think it's me...
0:40:29 > 0:40:30- ..who feels it.
0:40:30 > 0:40:33- The children were pretty good.
0:40:35 > 0:40:38- The psychologists - want everyone to celebrate...
0:40:39 > 0:40:42- ..the relationships formed - these past days.
0:40:42 > 0:40:47- The dining room has been transformed - into a 1950s dance hall.
0:40:48 > 0:40:52- It was a time when the likes - of Blod and Yvonne were young.
0:40:52 > 0:40:56- Dancing. Saturday couldn't come - quickly enough.
0:40:57 > 0:41:01- I have enjoyed my life, I must say.
0:41:02 > 0:41:06- It's been about 60 years - since I last went to a dance.
0:41:06 > 0:41:08- And, of course, you need dancers.
0:41:12 > 0:41:13- Oh, I say!
0:41:14 > 0:41:16- Those were the days!
0:41:16 > 0:41:17- Those were the days.
0:41:17 > 0:41:19- Those were the days.- - Those were nice days.
0:41:23 > 0:41:27- But will it help to relive memories - of dances from that time?
0:41:53 > 0:41:54- What is this, Blod?
0:41:56 > 0:41:57- A waltz, I think.
0:42:04 > 0:42:08- I must say, - I have enjoyed this week.
0:42:08 > 0:42:10- It's the best week we've had here.
0:42:12 > 0:42:15- Are you going to dance - when you grow up?
0:42:15 > 0:42:16- Or play football?
0:42:41 > 0:42:43- Look at them spinning.
0:42:49 > 0:42:51- Oh, lovely memories.
0:42:52 > 0:42:54- It was nice.
0:42:55 > 0:42:58- I'd love to go - to the dances every Saturday.
0:42:58 > 0:43:02- Then comes the big moment - when they all join in the dance.
0:43:03 > 0:43:04- Be gentle with me!
0:43:04 > 0:43:06- Be gentle with me!- - I'll be extremely gentle.
0:43:08 > 0:43:10- For the children...
0:43:10 > 0:43:15- ..it's accepting people for people.
0:43:15 > 0:43:17- Not labelling.
0:43:18 > 0:43:22- They just see through - all disabilities, children do.
0:43:22 > 0:43:26- For the older people, children - help them forget their disabilities.
0:43:27 > 0:43:32- Forget what's wrong - and just make them happy.
0:43:45 > 0:43:46- Are you OK, Noa?
0:43:49 > 0:43:52- It was emotional. - All we've done is cry.
0:44:02 > 0:44:05- After all the excitement - and experiences...
0:44:05 > 0:44:10- ..the three days are over, - and everyone has to say goodbye.
0:44:12 > 0:44:14- Thank you. Shake hands!
0:44:20 > 0:44:24- The older you get, - you appreciate everything.
0:44:24 > 0:44:28- The children have done that, - and they were excellent.
0:44:29 > 0:44:31- The children were, yes. Excellent.
0:44:34 > 0:44:37- You have been beautiful.
0:44:39 > 0:44:43- We clearly need to do more of this.
0:44:43 > 0:44:45- The old people - got so much out of it.
0:44:45 > 0:44:49- It's important to have - more contact with the little ones.
0:44:55 > 0:44:57- # Goodbye, friends
0:44:58 > 0:45:01- # Goodbye, friends
0:45:01 > 0:45:04- # Goodbye, friends
0:45:04 > 0:45:07- # It's time to say goodbye #
0:45:07 > 0:45:08- Goodbye!
0:45:08 > 0:45:12- But not everyone - wants to say goodbye.
0:45:13 > 0:45:14- I want to stay here.
0:45:14 > 0:45:16- I want to stay here.- - You want to stay here, Gwion?
0:45:16 > 0:45:17- Why do you want to stay?
0:45:19 > 0:45:20- Don't you want to go?
0:45:20 > 0:45:21- Don't you want to go?- - No.
0:45:22 > 0:45:23- Don't you want to go home?
0:45:28 > 0:45:29- Good boy.
0:45:36 > 0:45:41- At the start of this week, - these children had no concept...
0:45:41 > 0:45:44- ..of what it is to be an old person.
0:45:44 > 0:45:49- Nursery-age children - are full of energy and vitality.
0:45:49 > 0:45:53- Bringing them - to a much calmer environment...
0:45:53 > 0:45:58- ..has had a positive effect - on the children's behaviour.
0:45:58 > 0:45:59- Ta-ra!
0:46:00 > 0:46:05- Goodbye!
0:46:05 > 0:46:09- In three days at this centre, - we've seen substantial changes.
0:46:09 > 0:46:14- The children and old people - now share perfect time together.
0:46:14 > 0:46:16- Age makes no difference.
0:46:17 > 0:46:21- They just enjoy it, and respect - the space and the time they get.
0:46:22 > 0:46:24- I hope this will continue.
0:46:24 > 0:46:27- It's odd that these children - will grow to be our age.
0:46:29 > 0:46:32- It's a pleasure to see them.
0:46:33 > 0:46:35- There's a lot ahead of them.
0:46:35 > 0:46:37- I'm glad it's over, - put it like that.
0:46:39 > 0:46:41- Not that I didn't enjoy it...
0:46:43 > 0:46:46- ..but I can have a lie-in tomorrow!
0:46:58 > 0:47:01- Goodbye!
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