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0:00:24 > 0:00:27- Many prominent Welsh figures...
0:00:27 > 0:00:31- ..have studied at the - Guildhall School of Music & Drama.
0:00:31 > 0:00:36- They include Rhys Meirion, Gwyn - Hughes Jones, Sir Geraint Evans...
0:00:36 > 0:00:39- ..and the tenor, David Lloyd.
0:00:39 > 0:00:42- In 1984, - the college opened its doors...
0:00:43 > 0:00:47- ..to a young, promising singer - from Pant Glas in Gwynedd.
0:00:47 > 0:00:51- I came to see him a fortnight - after he had enrolled.
0:00:53 > 0:00:56- SINGING
0:00:56 > 0:01:00- You've heard the voice before - and will recognize the face.
0:01:00 > 0:01:04- Bryn Terfel Jones - is at the Guildhall in London...
0:01:04 > 0:01:07- ..near the famous Barbican Centre.
0:01:07 > 0:01:09- He's currently in a lesson.
0:01:09 > 0:01:13- I'll have to do what he's done - for many years and wait!
0:01:14 > 0:01:16- You've been here for a month.
0:01:16 > 0:01:18- Are you enjoying yourself?
0:01:18 > 0:01:22- The first week was difficult - as I felt homesick.
0:01:22 > 0:01:27- By the second week, I'd found my - feet and started talking to people.
0:01:28 > 0:01:30- I've made a lot of friends.
0:01:30 > 0:01:32- Do you miss Pant Glas?
0:01:32 > 0:01:33- Do you miss Pant Glas?- - Yes, I do.
0:01:33 > 0:01:39- I'd wake up in Pant Glas to the - sound of birds, cattle and sheep...
0:01:39 > 0:01:42- ..but I now wake - to the sound of cars and lorries...
0:01:42 > 0:01:45- ..and I'm surrounded by buildings.
0:01:45 > 0:01:46- It's worlds apart.
0:01:47 > 0:01:53- I don't know about you but I can't - believe that 30 years have passed...
0:01:53 > 0:01:55- ..since we had that interview.
0:01:55 > 0:01:59- You were a young man - of 19 years old.
0:02:00 > 0:02:02- Was it 1984?
0:02:02 > 0:02:04- Was it 1984?- - Yes, 1984.
0:02:04 > 0:02:09- It was probably - my third or fourth week in London.
0:02:09 > 0:02:15- I struggled in the first fortnight - as I felt very homesick...
0:02:15 > 0:02:19- ..but you adjust - when you make friends.
0:02:19 > 0:02:24- I had an innocence - during my audition...
0:02:24 > 0:02:27- ..but there was also a performer.
0:02:28 > 0:02:32- I learnt my craft at an early age...
0:02:32 > 0:02:35- ..thanks to the Eisteddfod stage...
0:02:35 > 0:02:39- ..where you get to perform - in front of an audience.
0:02:39 > 0:02:44- It simply endorsed my choice - of going to London.
0:02:44 > 0:02:47- It was very difficult - for my parents...
0:02:47 > 0:02:51- ..to find the money - to pay for my course.
0:02:51 > 0:02:54- I won a scholarship - from the Guildhall...
0:02:54 > 0:02:59- ..but if there was any innocence - in that young man...
0:03:00 > 0:03:05- ..there was certainly confidence - as a performer on the stage.
0:03:05 > 0:03:08- It was this confidence...
0:03:08 > 0:03:13- ..that gave me the courage - to remain in London for five years.
0:03:13 > 0:03:17- Arthur Reckless - was one of my teachers.
0:03:17 > 0:03:21- This 88-year-old man - taught me for three years.
0:03:21 > 0:03:23- He looked after my voice.
0:03:23 > 0:03:27- He was my best friend - at the Guildhall.
0:03:29 > 0:03:33- Let's try bree-bray-brain-bra.
0:03:33 > 0:03:37- Join them together in an even tone - and let's see what you can do.
0:03:39 > 0:03:43- # Bree-bray-bra, - bree-bray-bra, bree-bray-bra... #
0:03:43 > 0:03:47- I was like a kid in a candy store - or a toy shop.
0:03:47 > 0:03:49- It was all very new.
0:03:49 > 0:03:54- There were songs from operas - and new languages to comprehend.
0:03:54 > 0:03:59- These things were ingrained in you - as a young singer.
0:03:59 > 0:04:04- The artist is able to use - a variety of shades.
0:04:04 > 0:04:10- It all fell into place with - every year that passed in London.
0:04:10 > 0:04:13- By the fifth year...
0:04:13 > 0:04:17- ..I had started - winning competitions...
0:04:17 > 0:04:21- ..whereas in the early years, - I'd won nothing at the Guildhall.
0:04:22 > 0:04:25- I wondered if I'd made - the right decision.
0:04:25 > 0:04:29- I told myself - that I had to stay and work hard...
0:04:29 > 0:04:33- ..and go to the library - to borrow the musical scores...
0:04:34 > 0:04:36- ..and listen to the singers.
0:04:36 > 0:04:40- I had to learn about the profession - that I was going into.
0:04:40 > 0:04:45- Somehow or other, it all fell - into place in the fifth year.
0:04:45 > 0:04:47- It took enough time to do so!
0:04:48 > 0:04:51- If you were - the world's best boxer...
0:04:51 > 0:04:54- ..as opposed to - the world's best baritone...
0:04:54 > 0:04:59- ..you'd be out running at 6.00am, - take extra care with your diet...
0:04:59 > 0:05:02- ..and train in the afternoon.
0:05:02 > 0:05:04- How do you spend your time?
0:05:04 > 0:05:07- Do you do a lot of training?
0:05:07 > 0:05:11- My mindset is totally different - to your view of me.
0:05:11 > 0:05:16- I don't consider myself as the - best bass baritone in the world.
0:05:16 > 0:05:19- I prefer to think of myself - as a hard worker...
0:05:19 > 0:05:24- ..who is kind - to my fellow performers.
0:05:24 > 0:05:28- I have to learn something new - every day.
0:05:28 > 0:05:31- I could be rehearsing - in an opera house.
0:05:31 > 0:05:34- When you're performing - in an opera...
0:05:34 > 0:05:38- ..you tend to rehearse every day - and might have a Sunday off.
0:05:39 > 0:05:42- I found it very difficult - to take time off at the start.
0:05:43 > 0:05:48- As a young man, - I liked the offers that came my way.
0:05:48 > 0:05:52- I tended to accept every offer.
0:05:52 > 0:05:56- I was spread - rather finely everywhere.
0:05:56 > 0:06:02- I'd agree to go to New York, - Paris, Milan or London.
0:06:02 > 0:06:08- But, you learn from your mistakes - and make changes accordingly...
0:06:08 > 0:06:13- ..but I think I've managed to find - the perfect balance now.
0:06:13 > 0:06:16- # O gente!
0:06:16 > 0:06:20- # Questa matta bizzarria
0:06:20 > 0:06:25- # Che mi zampilla nella fantasia
0:06:25 > 0:06:31- # E tale da sfidar... #
0:06:32 > 0:06:35- I'll never forget - what Sir Geraint Evans said...
0:06:35 > 0:06:41- ..in terms of the roles - that I would play after him...
0:06:41 > 0:06:46- ..such as Leporello in Don Giovanni - or Falstaff by Verdi.
0:06:46 > 0:06:49- It's very difficult - to fill the shoes...
0:06:49 > 0:06:52- ..of such a charismatic personality.
0:06:52 > 0:06:57- Sir Geraint turned heads - whenever he walked into a room.
0:06:57 > 0:07:02- He had a head of perfectly trimmed, - fine, white hair.
0:07:02 > 0:07:04- He was always immaculate.
0:07:04 > 0:07:08- The first thing he said was, - "buy a new suit, Bryn."
0:07:08 > 0:07:10- I must have looked awful!
0:07:10 > 0:07:16- But he belonged to that generation.
0:07:16 > 0:07:19- I learnt a lot from him.
0:07:20 > 0:07:22- He told me to cut my hair.
0:07:22 > 0:07:24- "Yes, alright."
0:07:24 > 0:07:27- He was a god in my eyes - and I worshipped him.
0:07:27 > 0:07:31- # Ah, bravo Figaro! - Bravo, bravissimo! Bravo!
0:07:31 > 0:07:34- # La la la la la la la la!
0:07:34 > 0:07:37- # Fortunatissimo per verita! - Presto!
0:07:38 > 0:07:41- # La la la la la la la la! #
0:07:41 > 0:07:45- It's amazing to think - that he took the time...
0:07:45 > 0:07:51- ..to phone one of the greatest - conductors of that period.
0:07:52 > 0:07:55- Doors would open for you - if you worked for that man.
0:07:55 > 0:07:57- He was Sir Georg Solti.
0:07:57 > 0:08:02- He phoned Solti and asked him - to listen to this young man.
0:08:02 > 0:08:05- I went to him with Bryan Davies.
0:08:05 > 0:08:09- Bryan Davies played at the - Eisteddfod and was from Ferndale.
0:08:10 > 0:08:12- He was a dumpy little man...
0:08:12 > 0:08:16- ..who smoked a cigarette - when he was nervous.
0:08:16 > 0:08:20- He smoked six cigarettes - before we went into Solti's house.
0:08:20 > 0:08:24- He was entering the home of a man...
0:08:25 > 0:08:29- ..who he had watched and studied - for many years.
0:08:29 > 0:08:35- He played fantastically on that day - for my audition.
0:08:35 > 0:08:41- I walked into Solti's music room - and there were almost 60 Grammys.
0:08:41 > 0:08:43- He had more than Michael Jackson!
0:08:44 > 0:08:49- There were two Steinway pianos - and Bryan Davies was in his element.
0:08:51 > 0:08:55- Sir Geraint was responsible - for that amazing opportunity.
0:08:56 > 0:08:58- He got the ball rolling.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02- You said that you worshipped - Sir Geraint...
0:09:03 > 0:09:06- ..and the young singers of Wales - worship you today.
0:09:07 > 0:09:11- You've recently established - a new record company...
0:09:11 > 0:09:14- ..in part to help emerging talent.
0:09:14 > 0:09:15- Yes, that's right.
0:09:16 > 0:09:19- Universal has made an announcement.
0:09:19 > 0:09:24- I'm not sure if they plan - to record less in the future...
0:09:24 > 0:09:30- ..or do something different - in terms of choosing performers...
0:09:30 > 0:09:34- ..whether they are singers, - instrumentalists...
0:09:34 > 0:09:37- ..or Welsh folk groups.
0:09:37 > 0:09:41- I'll choose three artists - in this coming year.
0:09:42 > 0:09:45- But there's a lot of other things - happening too.
0:09:45 > 0:09:48- A hall in Bangor - is being named after me.
0:09:48 > 0:09:53- I've thought a lot about this.
0:09:53 > 0:09:58- It's massive and I've never had - anything like it before.
0:09:58 > 0:10:04- I don't know why anyone would want - to name a theatre after me.
0:10:04 > 0:10:09- Bangor was the place where I had - most of my singing lessons...
0:10:09 > 0:10:13- ..did my singing exams, - did every pre-lim for the Urdd...
0:10:13 > 0:10:16- ..and the Urdd Eisteddfod - at PJ Hall.
0:10:16 > 0:10:20- There have been concerts - at Theatr Gwynedd, the cathedral...
0:10:20 > 0:10:22- ..PJ Hall and Powys Hall.
0:10:22 > 0:10:26- I made my first Classical record - at Powys Hall.
0:10:27 > 0:10:30- I suspect Bangor, as a town...
0:10:30 > 0:10:35- ..did more for my early career - than any other place.
0:10:35 > 0:10:40- I also enjoyed nine years - of the Faenol Festival...
0:10:40 > 0:10:42- ..but that was held outside Bangor.
0:10:43 > 0:10:47- It was very important - on a regional level...
0:10:48 > 0:10:50- ..but also on a personal level.
0:10:50 > 0:10:55- I was able to invite various artists - to perform alongside.
0:10:55 > 0:11:00- Locals could say that they'd seen - a tenor singing in North Wales...
0:11:00 > 0:11:02- ..who was now appearing in New York.
0:11:02 > 0:11:05- They could put two and two together.
0:11:05 > 0:11:09- I've met a number of people - during my career...
0:11:09 > 0:11:13- ..who have been influential...
0:11:13 > 0:11:18- ..such as Jose Carreras - and Placido Domingo.
0:11:18 > 0:11:23- Placido will remember your name even - if he met you ten years previously.
0:11:24 > 0:11:25- What a memory!
0:11:25 > 0:11:28- He's such an iconic figure.
0:11:28 > 0:11:32- Any singer - worth their weight in gold...
0:11:32 > 0:11:36- ..is going admire such a man - and learn from the greats.
0:11:37 > 0:11:42- I've worked with - conductors and orchestras...
0:11:42 > 0:11:45- ..in various halls and opera houses.
0:11:45 > 0:11:50- I think I've taken everything - graciously.
0:11:50 > 0:11:55- Few things have made me nervous to - the extent where I wouldn't do them.
0:11:55 > 0:11:57- I've been very lucky.
0:11:58 > 0:12:00- This is my closing question.
0:12:00 > 0:12:04- Your diary is full - for the next five years...
0:12:04 > 0:12:10- ..but does Wales make a regular - appearance in your five-year-diary?
0:12:10 > 0:12:16- Will you have the opportunity - to sing in your theatre in Bangor...
0:12:16 > 0:12:19- ..and at the Millennium Centre - in Cardiff?
0:12:19 > 0:12:21- Yes, I will.
0:12:21 > 0:12:23- Is that still important for you?
0:12:23 > 0:12:26- Ideas are always - being batted around...
0:12:26 > 0:12:30- ..but it has to coincide - with my operatic career.
0:12:30 > 0:12:35- It's most important to be successful - on the operatic stage.
0:12:36 > 0:12:38- # Ah, bravo Figaro! - Bravo, bravissimo!
0:12:38 > 0:12:41- # A te fortuna, - a te fortuna non Manchera
0:12:41 > 0:12:44- # La la la li la la - la la la li la la
0:12:44 > 0:12:47- # A te fortuna, - a te fortuna non Manchera
0:12:47 > 0:12:50- # Sono il factotum della citta
0:12:50 > 0:12:52- # Sono il factotum della citta
0:12:52 > 0:12:54- # Della citta
0:12:54 > 0:12:56- # Della citta
0:12:56 > 0:13:04- # Della citta #
0:13:08 > 0:13:12- We're so grateful that you give - your time to us so freely.
0:13:13 > 0:13:17- I wish you all the best - for everything you want to achieve.
0:13:17 > 0:13:19- Thank you for chatting with me.
0:13:20 > 0:13:24- Thank you and good luck to you - for the next 50 years.
0:13:24 > 0:13:27- What do you hope to do after that?
0:13:27 > 0:13:31- I hope to follow in the footsteps - of the great man himself...
0:13:32 > 0:13:33- ..namely Sir Geraint.
0:13:33 > 0:13:36- I would love to make a living - out of singing.
0:13:37 > 0:13:40- You could end up singing - at Covent Garden.
0:13:40 > 0:13:42- That would be amazing.
0:13:42 > 0:13:46- I was at the Royal Albert Hall - for the 1,000 Voices...
0:13:46 > 0:13:52- ..and I really wanted to run - onto the stage and start singing.
0:13:52 > 0:13:54- I had to stop myself.
0:13:54 > 0:13:57- I'm delighted - to meet you again, Bryn.
0:13:57 > 0:13:59- Good luck to you.
0:13:59 > 0:14:00- Good luck to you.- - Thank you.
0:14:01 > 0:14:05- I'll stay in London for - the next part of the programme...
0:14:05 > 0:14:07- ..to chat with - a talented harpist...
0:14:08 > 0:14:12- ..who I originally met - over 30 years ago in 1981.
0:14:12 > 0:14:17- Since those days, she has carved out - a successful career.
0:14:17 > 0:14:20- We'll enjoy her talents - in a few minutes.
0:14:20 > 0:14:22- Don't go anywhere!
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0:14:31 > 0:14:32- It was 1981...
0:14:33 > 0:14:37- ..and the harpist, Sioned Williams, - showed us her skill on the harp...
0:14:38 > 0:14:41- ..but had a few problems - with her fingers at the start.
0:14:42 > 0:14:46- I went to Cardiff after studying - the harp for eight years.
0:14:46 > 0:14:50- I arrived and had lessons - with Elinor Bennett.
0:14:50 > 0:14:55- In my first lesson, I was told I was - musical but couldn't play the harp.
0:14:55 > 0:14:58- What was wrong with your technique?
0:14:58 > 0:15:01- I played with rounded fingers.
0:15:01 > 0:15:03- They were totally rounded.
0:15:03 > 0:15:08- I plucked the strings - and only slightly moved my fingers.
0:15:08 > 0:15:12- It meant that I wasn't getting - the full sound from the string.
0:15:13 > 0:15:17- You should relax after pulling - the string and making the sound.
0:15:17 > 0:15:19- You teach yourself to relax.
0:15:20 > 0:15:24- It isn't easy to make the movement - and then totally relax.
0:15:25 > 0:15:28- Sioned has enjoyed - a successful career in London.
0:15:29 > 0:15:32- She's worked with famous conductors - and composers...
0:15:33 > 0:15:36- ..and has performed - with the city's best orchestras...
0:15:37 > 0:15:41- ..such as the London Philharmonia - and the London Sinfonietta.
0:15:41 > 0:15:46- She's been principal harp with the - BBC Symphony Orchestra since 1990.
0:15:46 > 0:15:50- There's obviously nothing wrong - with your fingers now!
0:15:50 > 0:15:52- I hope not.
0:15:52 > 0:15:54- The sound depends on your technique.
0:15:55 > 0:15:57- You should be powerful, yet relaxed.
0:15:58 > 0:16:00- It depends on the way you practice.
0:16:00 > 0:16:03- It also depends on your health.
0:16:03 > 0:16:07- You have an illness that makes - it difficult to play the harp.
0:16:08 > 0:16:14- Yes, it's difficult all the time - but I have to ignore it.
0:16:14 > 0:16:16- It's called McArdles disease.
0:16:16 > 0:16:20- It falls in the same category - as Muscular Dystrophy.
0:16:20 > 0:16:25- It affects my whole life...
0:16:25 > 0:16:29- ..but specifically affects - the skeletal muscle.
0:16:29 > 0:16:35- I compare it to a car - running out of petrol.
0:16:35 > 0:16:37- It judders along.
0:16:37 > 0:16:40- It's difficult to describe.
0:16:40 > 0:16:44- It does affect me but - playing the harp has been fantastic.
0:16:44 > 0:16:50- It enables me to do something that - I never thought would be possible.
0:16:50 > 0:16:54- You were an international soloist - who toured the world.
0:16:55 > 0:16:58- What made you choose - to join the orchestra?
0:16:59 > 0:17:01- Since 1990...
0:17:01 > 0:17:06- ..I've thought I should - mingle with other musicians...
0:17:06 > 0:17:09- ..who played - different instruments...
0:17:09 > 0:17:12- ..as well as composers - and conductors.
0:17:13 > 0:17:17- I was invited to play with the BBC - Symphony Orchestra as a freelance.
0:17:18 > 0:17:22- Some musicians don't like - their contemporary repertoire.
0:17:22 > 0:17:26- Pierre Boulez - was their chief conductor.
0:17:27 > 0:17:30- I started under him - and played a lot for him.
0:17:31 > 0:17:33- This position came up...
0:17:33 > 0:17:38- ..and wondered if it was the - right time to apply for such a post.
0:17:38 > 0:17:42- I didn't expect to get the job - because I was a soloist.
0:17:42 > 0:17:47- But I got the job - and have been there for 24 years.
0:17:47 > 0:17:49- It has a massive repertoire.
0:17:50 > 0:17:52- We play something new all the time.
0:17:52 > 0:17:57- Every note I've played with - the orchestra has been on Radio 3.
0:17:57 > 0:18:00- The Proms in the summer - are fantastic.
0:18:00 > 0:18:06- People tire after one Prom - whereas I perform in 14 of them!
0:18:06 > 0:18:09- I've travelled the world - with the orchestra...
0:18:09 > 0:18:13- ..and have been allowed to enjoy - a solo career too.
0:18:13 > 0:18:16- I doubt that would happen - in other orchestras.
0:18:36 > 0:18:39- You're going to be incredibly busy - in 2014.
0:18:40 > 0:18:44- I've devised something - called Sioned's Spiralling 60th.
0:18:44 > 0:18:47- My life is often - spiralling out of control!
0:18:47 > 0:18:52- I hope it shows - the various aspects of my life...
0:18:52 > 0:18:55- ..and my role as a performer.
0:18:55 > 0:18:59- I'll do a concert for the charity - that's linked with my illness.
0:18:59 > 0:19:05- It encompasses every aspect of - my personal and professional life.
0:19:06 > 0:19:09- I hope to stay in the orchestra...
0:19:09 > 0:19:12- ..and perform more concertos.
0:19:12 > 0:19:18- I'd like to make more records - but don't have much time to do that.
0:19:18 > 0:19:22- I hope this year takes my life - into a new direction...
0:19:22 > 0:19:25- ..whilst performing - in the orchestra.
0:19:25 > 0:19:27- You're always busy!
0:19:27 > 0:19:30- Thank you for giving up - your time today.
0:19:30 > 0:19:34- It's been great to see you again - after 30 years!
0:19:34 > 0:19:36- Thank you very much.
0:19:51 > 0:19:54- YESTERDAY
0:19:57 > 0:20:01- At the end of a series, people - often say that time has flown.
0:20:02 > 0:20:07- It's flown faster than the birds - returning to Stokholm Island...
0:20:07 > 0:20:10- ..which is where the series started.
0:20:11 > 0:20:14- Stokholm was the first - filming location...
0:20:14 > 0:20:18- ..when I started my journey - in broadcasting 50 years ago.
0:20:18 > 0:20:22- I was a thin, young man, - filled with hope...
0:20:22 > 0:20:23- ..and so on and so forth.
0:20:24 > 0:20:26- When I returned in October - last year...
0:20:27 > 0:20:30- ..the sun was shining - and the island was at its best.
0:20:32 > 0:20:37- Revisiting the archives has made me - realize that I've been very lucky...
0:20:37 > 0:20:43- ..to tour Wales and the world - to meet interesting people.
0:20:43 > 0:20:49- I first met Dylan Ebenezer when - he was a smile in short trousers...
0:20:49 > 0:20:52- ..and knew everything about Arsenal.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56- Years later, - his smile was even broader...
0:20:57 > 0:21:00- ..when we chatted - at the Emirates Stadium.
0:21:02 > 0:21:06- Guto Harri appeared on - the same programme in the 1980s...
0:21:06 > 0:21:09- ..to display his culinary skills.
0:21:09 > 0:21:14- He's now the Director of Corporate - Affairs for Rupert Murdock...
0:21:15 > 0:21:20- ..and has plenty of confidence to - battle in the heat of that kitchen!
0:21:20 > 0:21:25- My time as a presenter of Bilidowcar - broadened my horizons.
0:21:25 > 0:21:29- I was lucky enough to visit - Australia, Fiji, Indonesia...
0:21:30 > 0:21:35- ..and Singapore, where I met - Anne Winstone who is now Anne Pash!
0:21:35 > 0:21:40- I can still remember the flavours - of that meal in the open market.
0:21:41 > 0:21:46- I'm delighted that one of my first - cars, the Humber Super Snipe...
0:21:47 > 0:21:49- ..made a welcome return.
0:21:49 > 0:21:54- It reminded me that it's - what's under the bonnet that counts.
0:21:54 > 0:21:57- That's true of this business!
0:21:57 > 0:22:01- One of my highlights - was chatting with Bryn Terfel...
0:22:02 > 0:22:07- ..about the start of a journey - for the giant from Pant Glas.
0:22:08 > 0:22:11- This journey took him - from the Guildhall in London...
0:22:12 > 0:22:15- ..to the biggest opera houses - in the world.
0:22:16 > 0:22:21- I have to mention the man who was - there at the start of the journey.
0:22:21 > 0:22:24- He's been my spiritual father...
0:22:24 > 0:22:29- ..since he formed BBC Wales's - Light Entertainment Department.
0:22:30 > 0:22:34- It's Dr Meredydd Evans - or Mered as he's known.
0:22:34 > 0:22:37- He was there at the start - and is still here.
0:22:38 > 0:22:41- I hope you enjoyed this series.
0:22:41 > 0:22:45- Before you ask, - no, I'm not retiring!
0:22:45 > 0:22:50- There's more people to interview, - more places to visit...
0:22:50 > 0:22:55- ..and I hope you join me - on that journey.
0:23:13 > 0:23:15- S4C Subtitles by Tinopolis
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