Sandi Toksvig

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0:00:02 > 0:00:04Telly - that magic box in the corner.

0:00:04 > 0:00:07It gives us access to a million different worlds,

0:00:07 > 0:00:10all from the comfort of our sofa.

0:00:10 > 0:00:12In this series, I'm going on a journey

0:00:12 > 0:00:14through the fantastic world of TV

0:00:14 > 0:00:16with some of our favourite celebrities.

0:00:16 > 0:00:17Good evening!

0:00:17 > 0:00:20They've chosen the precious TV moments that shed light...

0:00:20 > 0:00:22Oh, I love this!

0:00:22 > 0:00:23- BOTH:- Crackerjack!

0:00:23 > 0:00:25..on the stories of their lives.

0:00:25 > 0:00:28Ooh! Listen, this looks smashing, Johnny.

0:00:28 > 0:00:29- BOTH:- Right on time.

0:00:29 > 0:00:31- Some are funny... - THEY LAUGH

0:00:31 > 0:00:32I loved him!

0:00:32 > 0:00:34- BOTH:- # Delicious ice cream! #

0:00:34 > 0:00:35..some...

0:00:35 > 0:00:36Just like that.

0:00:36 > 0:00:38..are surprising.

0:00:38 > 0:00:40I'll let you into a secret I've never told anyone before.

0:00:40 > 0:00:41Some are inspiring...

0:00:41 > 0:00:44I've always wanted to be a Miss Something.

0:00:44 > 0:00:47The best TV transports you.

0:00:47 > 0:00:48..and many...

0:00:48 > 0:00:50Did George Orwell get his predictions right?

0:00:50 > 0:00:51It's all so dramatic!

0:00:51 > 0:00:53..are deeply moving.

0:00:53 > 0:00:54The death of John F Kennedy...

0:00:54 > 0:00:56It just takes me back.

0:00:56 > 0:00:58VOICE BREAKS: Oh, it makes me want to cry.

0:00:58 > 0:01:00- Oh, you can have a cry if you want. - Oh!

0:01:00 > 0:01:04So, come watch with us as we hand-pick the vintage telly

0:01:04 > 0:01:06that helped turn our much-loved stars

0:01:06 > 0:01:08into the people they are today.

0:01:08 > 0:01:11Welcome to The TV That Made Me.

0:01:20 > 0:01:22My guest today is a national institution -

0:01:22 > 0:01:25a one-woman comedy powerhouse.

0:01:25 > 0:01:28Sandi Toksvig has fizzed through the radio waves

0:01:28 > 0:01:33as presenter of the Radio 4 News Quiz for nine years,

0:01:33 > 0:01:37and sparkled on TV in shows as diverse as Food & Drink,

0:01:37 > 0:01:41Call My Bluff and the sitcom Up The Women.

0:01:41 > 0:01:43The TV that made her

0:01:43 > 0:01:46includes an anarchic Saturday morning kid's show....

0:01:46 > 0:01:48Oh, morning. Did you see who that was?

0:01:48 > 0:01:51..shameless '70s smut...

0:01:51 > 0:01:54You know, this sort of thing just isn't fair on my pussy.

0:01:54 > 0:01:59..and the Apollo 11 manned space exploration to the moon.

0:01:59 > 0:02:00Lift-off on Apollo 11.

0:02:00 > 0:02:05There's no doubt a strong spirit of adventure and an appetite for fun

0:02:05 > 0:02:10has helped Sandi rocket into the stratosphere of radio and TV comedy.

0:02:10 > 0:02:12Apollo 11...

0:02:12 > 0:02:15And she is now best known as the host of the quiz show

0:02:15 > 0:02:16Fifteen to One.

0:02:16 > 0:02:20It's with great pleasure that I introduce Sandi Toksvig.

0:02:20 > 0:02:23- Sandi... - Hello, lovely.- Hello, darling.

0:02:23 > 0:02:25- Hello, fellow thespian. - SHE LAUGHS

0:02:25 > 0:02:29I want to ask, what was your relationship with telly?

0:02:29 > 0:02:30It's been in my life always,

0:02:30 > 0:02:33because my father was THE most famous broadcaster

0:02:33 > 0:02:36- that Danish television had ever produced.- Mm-hm.

0:02:36 > 0:02:40In fact, he was the FIRST broadcaster that Danish television ever produced.

0:02:42 > 0:02:47Sandi Toksvig was born in Copenhagen in 1958 -

0:02:47 > 0:02:52a time when Danish TV only broadcast two programmes each day,

0:02:52 > 0:02:55and one of these was a daily news bulletin

0:02:55 > 0:02:59presented by the incredibly famous Claus Toksvig -

0:02:59 > 0:03:02or, as Sandi knew him, Dad.

0:03:02 > 0:03:07Claus Toksvig's broadcasting career began in 1951 in London,

0:03:07 > 0:03:10where he worked for the BBC World Service.

0:03:10 > 0:03:13Here, he met Sandi's mum Julie Anne,

0:03:13 > 0:03:16who was one of the very first female studio managers.

0:03:17 > 0:03:20With two high-flying TV pioneers as parents,

0:03:20 > 0:03:22Sandi was surely destined

0:03:22 > 0:03:26for her own incredible career on the airwaves.

0:03:26 > 0:03:30Although there wasn't a lot of telly around in her early years.

0:03:31 > 0:03:33So, when I was a child, television started at seven.

0:03:33 > 0:03:37- Do you remember you had to turn the telly on five minutes before, for it to warm up?- Yeah.

0:03:37 > 0:03:39So, you'd turn it on at it on at five to seven,

0:03:39 > 0:03:41and then at seven o'clock my dad would read the news.

0:03:41 > 0:03:43They couldn't afford to have any filmed reports,

0:03:43 > 0:03:46so it was just Dad reading the news - although there was a phone on his desk,

0:03:46 > 0:03:49and occasionally that would ring, and he'd do an interview.

0:03:49 > 0:03:50- And that lasted for an hour.- OK.

0:03:50 > 0:03:53And then at eight o'clock there'd be a half-hour documentary

0:03:53 > 0:03:56about something gripping like the Queen's silver spoon collection...

0:03:56 > 0:03:59- Oh, yes.- ..and then at 8.30 the whole service closed down.- Yeah.

0:03:59 > 0:04:01So, I thought that's what dads did.

0:04:01 > 0:04:04I thought that they just were on in the corner of the room,

0:04:04 > 0:04:05and then you went to bed.

0:04:06 > 0:04:08In 1967,

0:04:08 > 0:04:13Claus became Danish television's first foreign correspondent ever,

0:04:13 > 0:04:16and the family jetted off to the United States.

0:04:24 > 0:04:27We moved to New York, because the idea was the UN was there,

0:04:27 > 0:04:28so you could cover the whole world.

0:04:28 > 0:04:30Because if something happened in the world,

0:04:30 > 0:04:33he could talk to a person at the UN about it.

0:04:33 > 0:04:35So we lived most of my childhood in New York.

0:04:35 > 0:04:38Now, your first TV memory... it's enormous, really, you know?

0:04:38 > 0:04:42It's something that 600 million people got to watch.

0:04:42 > 0:04:45This, of course, was the rocket launch.

0:04:45 > 0:04:51Yeah, Apollo 11, which was 1969. The first manned mission to the moon.

0:04:51 > 0:04:55I knew that we were in the presence of history,

0:04:55 > 0:04:57and my dad couldn't have been clearer about it.

0:04:57 > 0:04:59Let me press the clicker. Just... Here we are.

0:04:59 > 0:05:02Leading up to the ignition sequence at 8.9 seconds.

0:05:02 > 0:05:06Back in Britain, we watched this through the night,

0:05:06 > 0:05:08thanks to the BBC and ITV's first ever

0:05:08 > 0:05:10all-night transmission.

0:05:10 > 0:05:16All around the world, man's greatest adventure was being watched

0:05:16 > 0:05:19on one of man's greatest inventions.

0:05:19 > 0:05:23But Claus Toksvig was actually there reporting live to Denmark,

0:05:23 > 0:05:26and he took 11-year-old daughter Sandi along with him.

0:05:26 > 0:05:2840 seconds away...

0:05:28 > 0:05:31- Can you see this crowd?- Mm-hm. - That's where I was standing.

0:05:31 > 0:05:33So I am somewhere in that crowd.

0:05:33 > 0:05:37Astronauts report it feels good. T minus 25 seconds.

0:05:38 > 0:05:40And this countdown...

0:05:40 > 0:05:4220 seconds and counting.

0:05:42 > 0:05:44..the thrill of it was unbelievable.

0:05:44 > 0:05:47What's extraordinary, as you stood in the crowd, was the tremor.

0:05:47 > 0:05:51Ten, nine - ignition sequence starts.

0:05:51 > 0:05:55It felt like your whole heart was going to come out of your chest.

0:05:55 > 0:06:00Six, five, four, three, two, one, zero.

0:06:00 > 0:06:03All engine running.

0:06:03 > 0:06:05Lift-off! We have a lift-off!

0:06:05 > 0:06:0732 minutes past the hour.

0:06:07 > 0:06:10People started clapping and crying -

0:06:10 > 0:06:12it was incredibly moving.

0:06:13 > 0:06:17Apollo 11, Houston. You're good at one minute.

0:06:17 > 0:06:19And as it disappeared up into the clouds,

0:06:19 > 0:06:23we absolutely knew we were seeing something extraordinary.

0:06:23 > 0:06:24You're good at one minute.

0:06:26 > 0:06:29And then, of course, we moved to Mission Control,

0:06:29 > 0:06:31- which was in Houston.- Mm-hm.

0:06:31 > 0:06:33And so I was standing next to a woman who was watching,

0:06:33 > 0:06:36and she looked rather nervous, and I said, "Are you all right?"

0:06:36 > 0:06:38And she said, "Actually, I'm a little nervous,

0:06:38 > 0:06:41"because that's my boss about to step out on to the moon."

0:06:41 > 0:06:43And I said, "Oh, don't worry, I'll hold your hand."

0:06:43 > 0:06:46And so, Neil Armstrong, as he stepped out on to the moon,

0:06:46 > 0:06:48I was holding his secretary's hand.

0:06:49 > 0:06:52That's one small step for man...

0:06:54 > 0:06:57..one giant leap for mankind.

0:06:59 > 0:07:01- "One giant leap."- Yes.- That's it.

0:07:01 > 0:07:03Great sentence, terrible grammar.

0:07:03 > 0:07:04Erm...but it was an extraordinary...

0:07:04 > 0:07:06Was it you who told the secretary that?

0:07:06 > 0:07:09I said, "Look, I don't who wrote that for him, but seriously..."

0:07:09 > 0:07:12The excitement in that room - I mean,

0:07:12 > 0:07:18watching grown men sobbing with the relief and excitement and so on.

0:07:18 > 0:07:19They've got the flag up now,

0:07:19 > 0:07:23and you can see the Stars and Stripes on the lunar surface.

0:07:25 > 0:07:27Beautiful. Just beautiful.

0:07:27 > 0:07:29- Now, we have a surprise for you. - Oh, Lord.- Yeah.

0:07:29 > 0:07:32- Because you've been talking about your father...- Yeah.

0:07:32 > 0:07:33..and, er...

0:07:33 > 0:07:35Well, have a little look at this.

0:07:42 > 0:07:44HE SPEAKS IN DANISH

0:07:44 > 0:07:46SHE GASPS: There he is!

0:07:58 > 0:08:01I can translate - he says, "I am sitting in the captain's seat

0:08:01 > 0:08:05"in the Apollo space capsule..."

0:08:11 > 0:08:12But look - that's how they controlled...

0:08:12 > 0:08:14That's extraordinary, isn't it?

0:08:14 > 0:08:16- Left, right! - Don't you think that's unbelievable?

0:08:16 > 0:08:18When we think about computers today -

0:08:18 > 0:08:20they're literally going "left" and "right"

0:08:20 > 0:08:22in the command module, it is sort of unbelievable.

0:08:22 > 0:08:24HE CONTINUES IN DANISH

0:08:29 > 0:08:30- And...- Have you seen this, Sandi?

0:08:30 > 0:08:32VOICE BREAKS: Oh, it makes me want to cry.

0:08:32 > 0:08:34- Oh, you can have a cry if you want. - Oh!

0:08:34 > 0:08:39He was the best live broadcaster. He...

0:08:39 > 0:08:41He brought the world to Denmark.

0:08:41 > 0:08:44That's what's really hard to imagine - he was it,

0:08:44 > 0:08:50and he became the idol for anybody who wanted to work in television.

0:08:54 > 0:08:55He was a very special guy.

0:08:57 > 0:08:58A special dad indeed.

0:08:58 > 0:09:01When the family lived in an austere post-war Denmark,

0:09:01 > 0:09:04wherever Claus was sent in the world,

0:09:04 > 0:09:07he'd always come back with a special treat.

0:09:07 > 0:09:11I believe there's something about oranges.

0:09:11 > 0:09:13- Something about oranges?- Oranges.

0:09:13 > 0:09:16- Oranges - let me show you. - Oh, my word.

0:09:17 > 0:09:20- This is it.- Yeah. - This is my magic pouffe.

0:09:20 > 0:09:22Oh, that's so sweet!

0:09:22 > 0:09:26Oh, my goodness! OK, so this is really sweet,

0:09:26 > 0:09:29and again, it's hard to imagine, because the world is small now,

0:09:29 > 0:09:32and we can eat whatever we like, and we get food from all over the world.

0:09:32 > 0:09:34- Yeah.- An orange, when I was a child in Denmark,

0:09:34 > 0:09:36- was still a really rare thing.- Mm.

0:09:36 > 0:09:38You just didn't see them,

0:09:38 > 0:09:41because - we mostly had pickled vegetables in the winter.

0:09:41 > 0:09:43So, if you got an orange, that was a fantastic treat,

0:09:43 > 0:09:46and very occasionally Dad would bring back an orange -

0:09:46 > 0:09:48one for me and one for my brother.

0:09:48 > 0:09:51I love this! This is the sweetest thing! Oh, this is wonderful.

0:09:51 > 0:09:54- Well, we've done our research. - I love it!

0:09:54 > 0:09:57So, what you do is, you make a hole in the orange like this,

0:09:57 > 0:10:00and you put a sugar cube... Try this, OK? Cos it's just gorgeous.

0:10:00 > 0:10:02- Am I going to try it, or are you? - No, no, you go.

0:10:02 > 0:10:04- We both can have a go. - So, ideally, there should be...

0:10:04 > 0:10:07And have a little go at this at home, ladies and gentlemen.

0:10:07 > 0:10:10If you look down in there, the sugar cube is already melting.

0:10:10 > 0:10:11- Right?- Yes, we can see that.

0:10:11 > 0:10:13And so, what you do then -

0:10:13 > 0:10:14I'm going to make a terrible mess now -

0:10:14 > 0:10:16- is you suck up the juice... - Of course.

0:10:16 > 0:10:18..up through the hole in the...

0:10:19 > 0:10:20Try that.

0:10:24 > 0:10:27You have got to try this at home. Ladies and gentlemen...

0:10:27 > 0:10:28Isn't that delicious?

0:10:28 > 0:10:32Thanks to Sandi, we have created...

0:10:32 > 0:10:34a phenomenon. I mean, it really is...

0:10:34 > 0:10:36- And you could spend... - It's really nice!

0:10:36 > 0:10:38- It's delicious, isn't it? - I'm not just saying that.

0:10:38 > 0:10:41And you'd suck all the sweetness out, and all the juice,

0:10:41 > 0:10:43and then eventually you'd make a terrible mess,

0:10:43 > 0:10:46- open the orange up and eat it. I haven't...- I'm going to...

0:10:46 > 0:10:48Dear Lord, that must be half a century

0:10:48 > 0:10:49since I've had a sugared orange

0:10:49 > 0:10:51- How nice is that? - I'm going to show my girls.

0:10:51 > 0:10:52I will show my girls that one.

0:10:52 > 0:10:57- I am genuinely impressed. That's wonderful.- Thank you.

0:10:57 > 0:11:00Moving on a few years, and back to the States,

0:11:00 > 0:11:02where that sweet little Danish girl

0:11:02 > 0:11:06had turned into a rebellious American teenager.

0:11:06 > 0:11:08To save their 14-year-old daughter from herself,

0:11:08 > 0:11:12Mum and Dad sent Sandi to school in England,

0:11:12 > 0:11:15and two years later the whole family followed.

0:11:17 > 0:11:19I came... When I was 14, I came to boarding school,

0:11:19 > 0:11:22so I came two years before the rest of my family.

0:11:22 > 0:11:25I got thrown out of three American schools in a row.

0:11:25 > 0:11:29- Can I just say, the last one was a misunderstanding?- OK.

0:11:29 > 0:11:31I had no idea you were supposed to be there every day.

0:11:31 > 0:11:34And so, in order to contain me,

0:11:34 > 0:11:36- because I found school very boring...- Mm-hm.

0:11:36 > 0:11:38..my parents sent me to boarding school.

0:11:38 > 0:11:41So my parents sent me when I was 14, and my parents then...

0:11:41 > 0:11:44My dad got the posting to London when I was 16.

0:11:44 > 0:11:47So we didn't move here until quite late in my life.

0:11:49 > 0:11:54As the Toksvig family first gathered around a British TV in 1974,

0:11:54 > 0:11:58they were just in time to see Tom Baker become Doctor Who,

0:11:58 > 0:12:03a show called Angels rewrite the rules on television hospital drama,

0:12:03 > 0:12:08and a man called Norman Stanley Fletcher get porridge.

0:12:08 > 0:12:12There'd never been so much great TV to choose from,

0:12:12 > 0:12:14so, what did the Toksvigs choose?

0:12:21 > 0:12:25So, Family Favourites - what did the whole family sit down and watch?

0:12:25 > 0:12:28- Well, when we were in the UK? - Yes.- My dad loved That's Life.

0:12:28 > 0:12:31- That did make us cry with laughter. - Shall we have a look?

0:12:31 > 0:12:33- Yeah!- Yeah, absolutely. - Let's have a look.

0:12:33 > 0:12:35Let's have a look. This is the opening of That's Life.

0:12:35 > 0:12:38THAT'S LIFE THEME

0:12:39 > 0:12:43They certainly don't make shows like That's Life any more.

0:12:43 > 0:12:45It was the hard-hitting campaigns

0:12:45 > 0:12:48mixed with the light-hearted slices of life

0:12:48 > 0:12:51that made it so ground-breaking and so popular.

0:12:51 > 0:12:56For 21 years it made us laugh and cry in equal measure,

0:12:56 > 0:13:00and it remains one of the very few shows in the history of TV

0:13:00 > 0:13:03that has truly changed the way we live.

0:13:03 > 0:13:06- As soon as you hear the music... - The music is the best.

0:13:06 > 0:13:07It was great.

0:13:07 > 0:13:11And nobody in our family could understand the obsession

0:13:11 > 0:13:14with misshapen vegetables. We just...

0:13:14 > 0:13:16We used to look at it... Because we'd been in Denmark

0:13:16 > 0:13:19and then in America, it was a completely different kind of humour.

0:13:19 > 0:13:23- Yeah.- And Esther's obsession with strange carrots and, er...

0:13:23 > 0:13:27- I think Britain's obsession with strange carrots...- Yeah.

0:13:30 > 0:13:32It wasn't just about carrots.

0:13:32 > 0:13:37That's Life is actually our most successful consumer programme ever.

0:13:37 > 0:13:40At its height, over 20 million people watched

0:13:40 > 0:13:44as Esther Rantzen crusaded against all kinds of wrong,

0:13:44 > 0:13:48from dodgy domestic appliances to issues of life and death.

0:13:48 > 0:13:51Thank you very much indeed. Welcome once again to That's Life,

0:13:51 > 0:13:52and thank you...

0:13:52 > 0:13:56For me, watching as a young person, I watched Esther be in charge,

0:13:56 > 0:14:00and I suddenly thought, cos I had never really seen that before,-

0:14:00 > 0:14:02and I thought, "Oh, wow, you can be a woman

0:14:02 > 0:14:03"and be in control of the show."

0:14:03 > 0:14:06While Esther held court, her jester,

0:14:06 > 0:14:10the brilliant Cyril Fletcher, kept us in stitches,

0:14:10 > 0:14:13especially with those clippings sent in by viewers.

0:14:13 > 0:14:16- Do you remember Cyril Fletcher? - Of course.- In the armchair.

0:14:16 > 0:14:17We loved Cyril Fletcher.

0:14:28 > 0:14:29LAUGHTER

0:14:29 > 0:14:32For anyone who might be thinking unchristian thoughts

0:14:32 > 0:14:35about our vicar, readers learned on Tuesday...

0:14:53 > 0:14:54LAUGHTER

0:14:56 > 0:14:58However, on Wednesday...

0:15:07 > 0:15:10"The Reverend AJ Agland has one television set for sale cheap.

0:15:10 > 0:15:13"Telephone 626 1313 after 7pm,

0:15:13 > 0:15:16"And ask for Mrs Jordan who loves with him."

0:15:16 > 0:15:18LAUGHTER

0:15:21 > 0:15:22How can you laugh?

0:15:22 > 0:15:25This blooming reverend is getting very annoyed.

0:15:25 > 0:15:28On Thursday, the Reverend AJ Agland comes out fighting.

0:15:43 > 0:15:45LAUGHTER

0:15:47 > 0:15:50Dear old Rev Agland doesn't give up easily.

0:15:50 > 0:15:52In Friday's paper, his advertisement read...

0:16:01 > 0:16:02LAUGHTER

0:16:02 > 0:16:05Let me press pause.

0:16:05 > 0:16:06Isn't he a legend?

0:16:06 > 0:16:09He was just wonderful. He had great delivery. And do you know what?

0:16:09 > 0:16:12I don't think you'd get somebody who looks like that on television today.

0:16:12 > 0:16:14It's absolutely fantastic.

0:16:14 > 0:16:16And I remember, because Dad had a wonderful sense of humour,

0:16:16 > 0:16:20I remember Cyril Fletcher reading one out, and I have never forgotten,

0:16:20 > 0:16:21and it said, "Messenger wanted.

0:16:21 > 0:16:23"Must have own bike and messages."

0:16:23 > 0:16:24And...

0:16:24 > 0:16:27And Dad couldn't stop laughing, and it was a nightmare.

0:16:27 > 0:16:29You couldn't pause the television in those days,

0:16:29 > 0:16:32and you couldn't record it, and we couldn't hear what the next bit was,

0:16:32 > 0:16:34- cos Dad was laughing so much.- Yeah!

0:16:34 > 0:16:37How television has changed. Absolutely fantastic.

0:16:37 > 0:16:39I loved the programme, I loved the variety of it,

0:16:39 > 0:16:42I loved the fact that it appealed to everybody - we could watch it

0:16:42 > 0:16:45from a young age, to the parents watching it and enjoying it.

0:16:45 > 0:16:47I thought it was a wonderful programme,

0:16:47 > 0:16:51and I think Esther as a campaigning journalist is an inspiration...

0:16:51 > 0:16:54- Yes.- ..and I would pay tribute to her, absolutely.

0:16:54 > 0:16:59Another fulsome tribute to Esther came from a talking dog,

0:16:59 > 0:17:02who could not only pronounce her name, but could also say...

0:17:02 > 0:17:04Sausages.

0:17:04 > 0:17:05LAUGHTER

0:17:05 > 0:17:07- Sausages. - APPLAUSE

0:17:07 > 0:17:11The whole nation was mesmerised by that in 1979.

0:17:12 > 0:17:15Esther and the team also successfully campaigned

0:17:15 > 0:17:18for child seatbelts and more organ donors

0:17:18 > 0:17:22at the same time as attempting to feed dodgy drinks to crows...

0:17:22 > 0:17:24I think it doesn't take much beer for him to get fighting.

0:17:24 > 0:17:26..pensioners...

0:17:26 > 0:17:28Cheers, everybody!

0:17:28 > 0:17:29..and Alsatians.

0:17:31 > 0:17:34No wonder she got arrested.

0:17:37 > 0:17:40There will never be another show like it.

0:17:47 > 0:17:50Sandi, now, your next choice is fear - TV Fear -

0:17:50 > 0:17:53and obviously we're talking about you as a young child.

0:17:53 > 0:17:54JAWS THEME PLAYS

0:17:54 > 0:17:57What was it you most feared on television?

0:17:57 > 0:17:59You were most creeped-out about?

0:17:59 > 0:18:01OK, seriously, there was one thing that actually was

0:18:01 > 0:18:03designed for children, I simply couldn't bear it.

0:18:03 > 0:18:06It was the most terrif...

0:18:07 > 0:18:10- That was mean! - Hello, hello, hello, hello!

0:18:10 > 0:18:12Enter the show! Welcome!

0:18:12 > 0:18:14It's Basil Brush, ladies and gentlemen!

0:18:14 > 0:18:16- Boom, boom!- I don't even think I can sit next to you!

0:18:16 > 0:18:18Are you going to run out the door?

0:18:18 > 0:18:20- Is it that scary?- Oh...

0:18:20 > 0:18:23- Sorry, that's really terrifying. - I want to be mediator now...

0:18:23 > 0:18:26- It's truly... - You can't even stroke...?

0:18:26 > 0:18:28- Look at the teeth! - You can't even come close to me?

0:18:28 > 0:18:30Don't you think the teeth are so frightening?

0:18:30 > 0:18:32No, the teeth are frightening on Christopher Lee

0:18:32 > 0:18:34when he's a vampire on Hammer House of Horrors.

0:18:34 > 0:18:36But look at this, have a little close look...

0:18:36 > 0:18:37No, really, I can't!

0:18:37 > 0:18:40Honestly, I feel like a small child again, and I really want to go out...

0:18:40 > 0:18:43I'd like to hide behind the sofa, is the truth of it.

0:18:43 > 0:18:46- I don't know what it was - it creeped me out.- Really?- It was the sudden...

0:18:46 > 0:18:47You're talking as if he's not here.

0:18:47 > 0:18:50- I know...- I'm sitting right next to you, Miss Sandi.

0:18:50 > 0:18:52- It's the "Boom, boom" noise.- Is it?

0:18:52 > 0:18:54What, does my "boom, boom" look big in this?

0:18:54 > 0:18:56All right, I'll give you a "Boom, boom"

0:18:56 > 0:18:58- and see if it scares you. - Please do.- Oh, no! Yeah.

0:18:58 > 0:19:01Join in with me. What do you call a deer with no eyes?

0:19:01 > 0:19:03BOTH: No idea.

0:19:03 > 0:19:05- LAUGHS:- Boom, boom! Very good!

0:19:05 > 0:19:09Terrifying. I still feel, really, I do...

0:19:09 > 0:19:11Give me little brush, a little tickle.

0:19:11 > 0:19:13- Go on.- I...- Do you almost feel you do need some therapy with it?

0:19:13 > 0:19:16- Just...- Don't move so sharply!

0:19:16 > 0:19:18- ..one little stroke. - I'll just put my hand on...

0:19:18 > 0:19:20OK, I'll just creep closer.

0:19:20 > 0:19:22I can't do this!

0:19:22 > 0:19:25You touch him! You touch him.

0:19:25 > 0:19:28- Well, you've touched me...- Argh! - That's what you want.

0:19:28 > 0:19:31- You want to go...- While you've got him there...

0:19:31 > 0:19:33It's a puppet!

0:19:33 > 0:19:35- I'm sorry, Basil.- I tell you what,

0:19:35 > 0:19:39I have a little poem which might set you at ease, Miss Sandi.

0:19:39 > 0:19:43- Would I be all right to read it to her?- It would be a pleasure.

0:19:43 > 0:19:44Thank you. Ahem. Right...

0:19:44 > 0:19:47Roses are red, violets are blue,

0:19:47 > 0:19:50On my radio I've always loved you.

0:19:50 > 0:19:54So, could you love me with all of your might?

0:19:54 > 0:19:56Because I think we're both

0:19:56 > 0:19:58Just about the same height.

0:19:58 > 0:20:00- HE LAUGHS:- Boom, boom!

0:20:00 > 0:20:02- Oh, go on, give us a kiss, then. Give us a kiss.- Come here.

0:20:02 > 0:20:04Mwah.

0:20:04 > 0:20:05Basil, may I shake your paw?

0:20:05 > 0:20:08Oh, yes, I've got two of them - you can shake whichever you like.

0:20:08 > 0:20:09Basil, thank you very much.

0:20:09 > 0:20:12- I hope this has helped in some very small way, Sandi.- Yes.

0:20:12 > 0:20:14It has, although I have to say, the minute I saw him,

0:20:14 > 0:20:15I felt my stomach get upset.

0:20:15 > 0:20:18It was a kind of foxtrot that was about to happen, so...

0:20:18 > 0:20:19Let's see how you get on with this,

0:20:19 > 0:20:22because we've got a couple more of Basil's contemporaries.

0:20:22 > 0:20:24- OK.- Oh, lovely.- Here they are.

0:20:24 > 0:20:30Basil Brush comes from a long line of gifted British puppet performers.

0:20:30 > 0:20:31Muffin the Mule kicked it all off

0:20:31 > 0:20:35after a few strings were pulled in 1946.

0:20:35 > 0:20:39Sooty and Sweep got their big break in 1948,

0:20:39 > 0:20:41and still hold the Guinness World Record

0:20:41 > 0:20:44for longest-running children's series.

0:20:44 > 0:20:47Emu, Spit the Dog and Orville the Duck

0:20:47 > 0:20:49entertained the adults through the '70s,

0:20:49 > 0:20:51while Gordon the Gopher

0:20:51 > 0:20:56made his sidekick Phillip Schofield a star in 1985.

0:20:56 > 0:21:03Today, Hacker T Dog is TV's most versatile performer - a CBBC veteran

0:21:03 > 0:21:08who also commentated on Russia v Belgium in the 2014 World Cup.

0:21:11 > 0:21:13So, have you recovered?

0:21:13 > 0:21:17Well, only just. I may need some therapy.

0:21:17 > 0:21:19I thought you had some then!

0:21:19 > 0:21:21Well, yeah, but I also may have mange now, which is a worry.

0:21:28 > 0:21:30Right, we're moving on to TV Taboos.

0:21:30 > 0:21:34Now, this is stuff that... Well, you can explain it. Top Of The Pops.

0:21:34 > 0:21:36OK, so, when I was at boarding school,

0:21:36 > 0:21:39- we pretty much were not allowed to watch television.- Right.

0:21:39 > 0:21:41We pretty much weren't allowed to do anything,

0:21:41 > 0:21:44but we were, on a Thursday night, allowed to watch Top Of The Pops.

0:21:44 > 0:21:48- Right.- And a parent, grateful for having their daughter locked up

0:21:48 > 0:21:51for so very long, donated a colour television to the school.

0:21:51 > 0:21:55- Colour telly!- So, the very first time we watched it -

0:21:55 > 0:21:58- it was glam rock in those days.- Yes.

0:21:58 > 0:22:01It was thrilling, and we were all highly overexcited,

0:22:01 > 0:22:04and the next morning, the headmistress, bless her,

0:22:04 > 0:22:06called an engineer to the school,

0:22:06 > 0:22:09and the television was retuned to black and white,

0:22:09 > 0:22:11because it had been too exciting.

0:22:11 > 0:22:14And we never saw the colour television in colour again.

0:22:14 > 0:22:17That was the end of it - from then on, for the rest of my schooldays,

0:22:17 > 0:22:19television appeared in black and white.

0:22:19 > 0:22:22Oh, well, let me give you a little catch-up of glam rock.

0:22:22 > 0:22:24- Is it in colour? - Of course it is.- Thank goodness.

0:22:24 > 0:22:27Top Of The Pops. Can you cope?

0:22:27 > 0:22:30MUSIC: Block Buster! by The Sweet

0:22:30 > 0:22:35Top Of The Pops arrived on our screens on New Year's Day 1964,

0:22:35 > 0:22:38and stayed for 42 years.

0:22:38 > 0:22:41In the process, it became the biggest music show in the world.

0:22:41 > 0:22:46At its height, the show was screened in over 100 different countries.

0:22:49 > 0:22:52Luckily, they didn't stick to the original title -

0:22:52 > 0:22:59I don't think Teen & 20 Record Club would have done quite so well.

0:22:59 > 0:23:00The hair is fantastic.

0:23:00 > 0:23:02# Does anyone know the way?

0:23:02 > 0:23:05# Did we hear someone say

0:23:05 > 0:23:08# We just haven't got a clue what to do!

0:23:08 > 0:23:10# Does anyone know the way?

0:23:10 > 0:23:11# There's got to be a way

0:23:11 > 0:23:13# To Block Buster! #

0:23:13 > 0:23:16So, is it making you feel wild and racy?

0:23:16 > 0:23:18Yeah. I'm crazy now, I'm completely crazy now.

0:23:18 > 0:23:20That's it - I'm going to go completely bonkers

0:23:20 > 0:23:22- and have an extra sugar in my tea. - I know!

0:23:22 > 0:23:25Quick, get it back to black and white.

0:23:25 > 0:23:26We're freaking out here.

0:23:26 > 0:23:29So, what were the other rules for television?

0:23:29 > 0:23:32We were occasionally allowed to watch on a Saturday night,

0:23:32 > 0:23:33if Matron decided,

0:23:33 > 0:23:36but we were allowed to watch something on BBC One,

0:23:36 > 0:23:39because it was the family channel, possibly something on BBC Two,

0:23:39 > 0:23:41but that was really for people who'd read a book.

0:23:41 > 0:23:43And nothing on ITV, because that was cheap and tawdry.

0:23:43 > 0:23:47So it pleased me, usually, when I started on television,

0:23:47 > 0:23:49that I worked for ITV, cos I knew it would have upset Matron.

0:23:49 > 0:23:53- So, after school, you obviously moved on to university.- Yeah.

0:23:53 > 0:23:55- Was it Cambridge, I believe? - I did, yeah.- Yes.

0:23:55 > 0:23:58- Mm!- I was going to be a lawyer. - Really?- Yeah!

0:23:58 > 0:24:01I did something called the Footlights,

0:24:01 > 0:24:03which was a comic review, so if I wasn't studying the law,

0:24:03 > 0:24:08- which was quite heavy-duty studying, I was acting and performing.- Mm-hm.

0:24:08 > 0:24:10What other contemporaries were there at the time?

0:24:10 > 0:24:12- Well, nobody you'd have heard of, darling.- No?

0:24:12 > 0:24:15- Stephen Fry... - Stephen Fry! I knew, I knew...!

0:24:15 > 0:24:19- Hugh Laurie...- Oh, yes. - Emma Thompson, Tony Slattery...

0:24:19 > 0:24:23- Hardly... Nobody who did... - Well.- Well, Emma's done well.

0:24:23 > 0:24:26- I think something secretarial, as I understood it.- Mm.- But... So, nobody.

0:24:26 > 0:24:28Nothing in particular.

0:24:33 > 0:24:35Parents' Choice.

0:24:35 > 0:24:37This, I believe, is Tomorrow's World.

0:24:37 > 0:24:40Yeah. My dad was obsessed with new technology.

0:24:40 > 0:24:43We've already seen that he was obsessed with Saturn V rockets,

0:24:43 > 0:24:47and Apollo and so on, so anything that was an advance,

0:24:47 > 0:24:50technologically, my dad was fascinated by.

0:24:50 > 0:24:52And I remember him bringing home

0:24:52 > 0:24:54the very first calculator that you could buy.

0:24:54 > 0:24:56I've got something in my pouffe.

0:24:56 > 0:25:01- Oh!- This is a very early calculator. - Oh, my goodness!

0:25:01 > 0:25:04- Wow.- Let me show them at home.

0:25:04 > 0:25:07- There it is.- Look at the size of it!

0:25:07 > 0:25:10- Ooh...- There you go. - Oh, there - it IS working!

0:25:10 > 0:25:12Oh, how tiny - look how tiny the numbers are.

0:25:12 > 0:25:15How much do you think this was? This was back in 1972, this.

0:25:15 > 0:25:19- I mean, er... Well, it would have been in dollars.- Yeah.

0:25:19 > 0:25:21So maybe 100 or so?

0:25:21 > 0:25:25- 149.95.- The numbers are so tiny.

0:25:25 > 0:25:27- I know.- And still working.

0:25:27 > 0:25:28That's absolutely fantastic.

0:25:28 > 0:25:30- Oh, bless, you've written "BOOB".- Yeah.

0:25:30 > 0:25:33- Well, got to be done. - You have to, don't you?- Sorry.

0:25:33 > 0:25:35Shall we have a little look at Tomorrow's World?

0:25:35 > 0:25:38- Yeah, let's do that.- Here we go. Tomorrow's World.

0:25:38 > 0:25:41TOMORROW'S WORLD THEME

0:25:41 > 0:25:46The BBC introduced us to Tomorrow's World in 1965,

0:25:46 > 0:25:48and for 38 years

0:25:48 > 0:25:51we were totally amazed, and often confused,

0:25:51 > 0:25:55by the inventions that were seemingly just around the corner.

0:25:55 > 0:25:57In 1972, ten million people tuned in

0:25:57 > 0:26:00to hear about a barely believable prospect

0:26:00 > 0:26:03of something called the Channel Tunnel...

0:26:03 > 0:26:04A large area of western

0:26:04 > 0:26:07and central Europe will come within a comfortable day's

0:26:07 > 0:26:09driving from London, and that mighty ditch, the Channel,

0:26:09 > 0:26:12will have been reduced to an average day's journey to work.

0:26:13 > 0:26:16..and to watch demonstrations of the first water bikes

0:26:16 > 0:26:18and helicopter cars.

0:26:18 > 0:26:21Mine still hasn't been delivered.

0:26:21 > 0:26:24Telecommunications have intruded into our lives,

0:26:24 > 0:26:27but not for political purposes, like Orwell's telescreen.

0:26:27 > 0:26:28And ironically,

0:26:28 > 0:26:32the ingredients aren't futuristic technological wonders,

0:26:32 > 0:26:34they're basically just our old friends

0:26:34 > 0:26:38the telephone and the television linking with a computer database.

0:26:38 > 0:26:40Even the way she speak - nobody talks like that.

0:26:40 > 0:26:42CLIPPED ACCENT: They talk like this.

0:26:42 > 0:26:45There's the telephone, and things you're entirely used to.

0:26:45 > 0:26:49This is a breakthrough that will affect all our everyday lives.

0:26:49 > 0:26:51You can already use it to do your shopping.

0:26:53 > 0:26:56Now, a list of wines to stock up again after Christmas.

0:26:56 > 0:27:00Now, I can put in a credit card to pay for it,

0:27:00 > 0:27:02and the orders are on the way.

0:27:02 > 0:27:05That was incredible - the idea that you could order something

0:27:05 > 0:27:07- through your television was unbelievable.- Mm.

0:27:07 > 0:27:10This is the more normal size of set,

0:27:10 > 0:27:14and at the moment it's telling where to take my children this holiday.

0:27:14 > 0:27:16Ever book a holiday on Ceefax, Sandi?

0:27:16 > 0:27:19No, I did not. Did you?

0:27:19 > 0:27:20No, I didn't.

0:27:20 > 0:27:23No, I mean, but it was always good for, you know,

0:27:23 > 0:27:25some major news-breaking story, wasn't it?

0:27:25 > 0:27:27- It was like, "Oh, let's go to Ceefax!"- Mm.

0:27:27 > 0:27:29In your home or your office,

0:27:29 > 0:27:31computers join the mass communication market

0:27:31 > 0:27:33for the first time.

0:27:33 > 0:27:35This is a sign of how fast we've come along.

0:27:35 > 0:27:38My dad died - where are we now? -

0:27:38 > 0:27:4126 years ago, and he never saw a mobile phone.

0:27:41 > 0:27:43- Really?- And he would have loved it! - Yeah, yeah.

0:27:43 > 0:27:46He would have loved all that computerised stuff.

0:27:46 > 0:27:48I sometimes have some trouble with my hands,

0:27:48 > 0:27:51- and I dictate to my computers, I have a voice recognition programme.- Mm-hm.

0:27:51 > 0:27:53And I remember my son coming in, and I was dictating a book.

0:27:53 > 0:27:56He said, "What are you doing?" I said, "I'm talking to my computer."

0:27:56 > 0:27:58He went, "Oh, yeah." And you just think,

0:27:58 > 0:28:01- "Oh, you don't think it's extraordinary and amazing."- No.

0:28:01 > 0:28:04That I can speak and the computer will type for me is unbelievable.

0:28:09 > 0:28:13We've got a clip from a show that I think you'll really enjoy.

0:28:13 > 0:28:15Dan...da-da!

0:28:15 > 0:28:16Good God!

0:28:16 > 0:28:18Yes, none of your shop-bought rubbish.

0:28:18 > 0:28:20Now, there's a trick with these, all right?

0:28:20 > 0:28:23They're perfectly all right, they're perfectly sound,

0:28:23 > 0:28:24except they do not go bang. So...

0:28:24 > 0:28:26- And... - BOTH: Bang!

0:28:26 > 0:28:29- Richard Briers... - Yeah, I know, what a legend.

0:28:29 > 0:28:33And Felicity Kendal, but, for me, the show was about Penny Keith.

0:28:33 > 0:28:38The show was about the timing of that genius comic woman.

0:28:38 > 0:28:39One, two, three...

0:28:39 > 0:28:40Crack.

0:28:40 > 0:28:42LAUGHTER

0:28:42 > 0:28:44Not "bang"?

0:28:44 > 0:28:46No, I see "crack" as a more pertinent word.

0:28:46 > 0:28:49It is, after all, the stem of "cracker", isn't it?

0:28:49 > 0:28:51You can't argue with that.

0:28:51 > 0:28:58Of course, because I'd been brought up so far in Denmark, and in America,

0:28:58 > 0:29:00I didn't know about the class system in Britain.

0:29:00 > 0:29:03We don't really have a class system in Denmark at all.

0:29:03 > 0:29:06And it seemed extraordinary to me

0:29:06 > 0:29:09that these two women could not get on, couldn't understand each other.

0:29:09 > 0:29:11Oh, look at her!

0:29:11 > 0:29:12Come on, Margot, get your hat on!

0:29:12 > 0:29:14This is the Daily Mirror.

0:29:16 > 0:29:20I am terribly sorry, Margot. Please, have the Telegraph.

0:29:24 > 0:29:27- So, of course, he's got the Financial Times on...- Yes!

0:29:27 > 0:29:29..and she's got the Daily Telegraph on,

0:29:29 > 0:29:31and that tells you so much about British society, doesn't it?

0:29:31 > 0:29:33- Yes. - But I didn't know it at the time.

0:29:33 > 0:29:35But look at it - it's all happening in one room...

0:29:35 > 0:29:39There's no great, fantastic television thing happening here,

0:29:39 > 0:29:42- apart from people sitting, chatting and being funny.- Yeah.

0:29:42 > 0:29:43Bit like us.

0:29:43 > 0:29:44SHE CHUCKLES

0:29:44 > 0:29:47We should have had hats. We should have had hats!

0:29:47 > 0:29:49Now, then, my motto.

0:29:51 > 0:29:55"The 'ooh-aah' bird is so called because it lays square eggs."

0:30:04 > 0:30:06I don't understand that.

0:30:06 > 0:30:08So you'd watch that at home, with your family?

0:30:08 > 0:30:11Yeah. Yeah, that was a good one for the family.

0:30:11 > 0:30:13And I miss it. It always used to be on at half past seven,

0:30:13 > 0:30:15we'll all sit together at half past seven.

0:30:15 > 0:30:17- Of course, it doesn't work that way now.- No.

0:30:17 > 0:30:20You would have 12 million people might watch one thing,

0:30:20 > 0:30:23and the chances are somebody else at work had seen the same thing.

0:30:23 > 0:30:25- It doesn't happen any more. - 12 million people watched one thing,

0:30:25 > 0:30:27because there was only what, three channels?

0:30:27 > 0:30:29Yeah, and one of them was cheap and tawdry, so...

0:30:29 > 0:30:31- Yeah, which you never watched. - No.

0:30:31 > 0:30:33Watching Penelope, watching The Good Life,

0:30:33 > 0:30:34did it influence your comedy?

0:30:34 > 0:30:36Yeah, there's no question

0:30:36 > 0:30:38that there's a lot of very strong women that I've watched

0:30:38 > 0:30:41- over the years, and admired their timing.- Mm.

0:30:43 > 0:30:48When Penelope Keith gave her last performance as Margot in 1978,

0:30:48 > 0:30:52even the Queen and Prince Philip were in the audience.

0:30:52 > 0:30:55But is she the most watched British sitcom leading lady?

0:30:55 > 0:30:58Well, here's the top five.

0:30:58 > 0:31:02At five, Prunella Scales' Sybil Fawlty and husband Basil

0:31:02 > 0:31:05attracted over 12 million guests

0:31:05 > 0:31:07to Fawlty Towers in the ''70s.

0:31:07 > 0:31:11At four, Patricia Routledge as Hyacinth Bucket

0:31:11 > 0:31:14kept up appearances and audiences

0:31:14 > 0:31:16of over 16 million in the ''90s.

0:31:18 > 0:31:21Annette Crosbie's long-suffering wife of Victor Meldrew

0:31:21 > 0:31:23is straight in at number three

0:31:23 > 0:31:25with a high of 20 million

0:31:25 > 0:31:27in the noughties.

0:31:27 > 0:31:29At two, it's Penelope Keith.

0:31:29 > 0:31:36Margot and the Good Life gang got an audience high of 21 million in 1979.

0:31:38 > 0:31:41And at one, as Audrey fforbes-Hamilton,

0:31:41 > 0:31:46Penelope Keith gave us yet another brilliant character

0:31:46 > 0:31:48in the biggest sitcom of the ''70s.

0:31:48 > 0:31:51Almost 24 million people tuned in to watch...

0:31:51 > 0:31:53To The Manor Born.

0:31:56 > 0:31:59I mean, what do you think of people that say that,

0:31:59 > 0:32:02"Oh, women can't be funny"?

0:32:02 > 0:32:04- Ridiculous, isn't it?- Here's a little test I would do for you, OK?

0:32:04 > 0:32:06Try and do this without getting arrested.

0:32:06 > 0:32:08- If you're ever at a big function, OK?- Mm.

0:32:08 > 0:32:10Go and stand outside the gents' toilets -

0:32:10 > 0:32:12you don't need to go in, just stand outside -

0:32:12 > 0:32:15the door will open and close, and all you'll hear is...

0:32:15 > 0:32:17SHE MURMURS ..and water running.

0:32:17 > 0:32:19Stand outside the ladies'. As the door opens and closes,

0:32:19 > 0:32:21you will hear nothing but laughter.

0:32:21 > 0:32:23Women are funny all the time.

0:32:23 > 0:32:26We still have a problem in this country -

0:32:26 > 0:32:30if there's a show on, you hardly ever have more than one woman on the show.

0:32:30 > 0:32:33If there's four panellists, it'll be three boys and a girl.

0:32:33 > 0:32:37- And they'll say, "Ooh, women - we've already got one of those."- Mm.

0:32:37 > 0:32:39So, we still have work to do. There's stuff to do.

0:32:39 > 0:32:42The Good Life, the class system,

0:32:42 > 0:32:44do you think it really taught you about British values?

0:32:44 > 0:32:46I certainly think it opens the door.

0:32:46 > 0:32:48When you come from abroad, living abroad,

0:32:48 > 0:32:51a lot of bits of British life just seem a bit strange,

0:32:51 > 0:32:53and when I first arrived,

0:32:53 > 0:32:56- I remember the Wombles of Wimbledon were a big hit.- Yes!

0:32:56 > 0:32:58And I thought that it was that they were OF Wimbledon,

0:32:58 > 0:33:00and that they were common.

0:33:00 > 0:33:03And I didn't understand that there was a place called Wimbledon Common.

0:33:03 > 0:33:06I thought it was, "We're the Wombles of Wimbledon - common are we."

0:33:06 > 0:33:08I thought, "Oh, what an extraordinary thing,

0:33:08 > 0:33:09"to talk about yourself being common."

0:33:09 > 0:33:12So there's lots of bits of the life that I didn't understand.

0:33:12 > 0:33:14I didn't understand about the class system,

0:33:14 > 0:33:16and there were lots of jokes.

0:33:16 > 0:33:19- Innuendo is peculiarly British.- Mm.

0:33:19 > 0:33:22And it is something that completely passed me by

0:33:22 > 0:33:23when I first came across it.

0:33:23 > 0:33:26Speaking of which, I think that brings us nicely to our next clip.

0:33:26 > 0:33:28Have a little look at this.

0:33:29 > 0:33:30Oh, yes.

0:33:36 > 0:33:38The management would have had more consideration

0:33:38 > 0:33:42than keep us sitting on our jacksies for the postmortem.

0:33:42 > 0:33:46I used to watch this with no idea what was going on.

0:33:46 > 0:33:49I knew that Mrs Slocombe had a cat, I didn't know why it was funny.

0:33:51 > 0:33:54You know, this sort of thing just isn't fair on my pussy.

0:33:55 > 0:34:01Rather appropriately, Are You Being Served? ran for 69 episodes.

0:34:01 > 0:34:04It graced our screens from 1972 to 1975,

0:34:04 > 0:34:09and at its peak Inman and Coutts delivered shameless innuendo

0:34:09 > 0:34:12to audiences of 22 million viewers.

0:34:12 > 0:34:14We'd sit and watch it completely bemused,

0:34:14 > 0:34:16and my mother, who's English, would laugh,

0:34:16 > 0:34:17and the rest of the family

0:34:17 > 0:34:20are thinking, "Well, I've no idea what's going on here.

0:34:20 > 0:34:22- "This is surely not the way to run any kind of shop."- Yeah!

0:34:22 > 0:34:25Yodel-odel-odel-odel...

0:34:25 > 0:34:27..ee-hee!

0:34:30 > 0:34:33- John Inman.- "I'M free."- Yeah!

0:34:33 > 0:34:36I can't think why, but my eyes are watering.

0:34:36 > 0:34:38- Another innuendo. - Innuendo. Straight in.

0:34:38 > 0:34:40- We should count how many there are. - Yeah.

0:34:40 > 0:34:42'Ere, listen - I don't know how to wear me braces.

0:34:42 > 0:34:44Should they be like that...

0:34:44 > 0:34:45or like that?

0:34:45 > 0:34:47I did panto with Wendy Richards.

0:34:47 > 0:34:49This was before she did EastEnders, so she was still being billed

0:34:49 > 0:34:51as Wendy "Are You Being Served?" Richards.

0:34:51 > 0:34:53And do you know what?

0:34:53 > 0:34:55She taught me a lot about a great attitude to show business,

0:34:55 > 0:34:58which is that really you should just thank every day

0:34:58 > 0:35:00- that this is what you do for a living.- Yeah.

0:35:00 > 0:35:04And she was a joyous person, and is much missed.

0:35:04 > 0:35:05I feel a right fairy.

0:35:05 > 0:35:08Ooh. Aren't you the lucky one?

0:35:08 > 0:35:10It hadn't occurred to me - this may surprise you -

0:35:10 > 0:35:12that there were people of a homosexual persuasion.

0:35:12 > 0:35:15- It had never occurred to me... - National television.

0:35:15 > 0:35:18Well, not at all, darling. In life, it hadn't occurred to me.

0:35:18 > 0:35:22- It's such a piece of history.- Did you not realise that they were gay?

0:35:22 > 0:35:26I don't know. People thought Liberace wasn't, so...!

0:35:26 > 0:35:31I seriously... I think possibly there was a bit of innocence in the world.

0:35:31 > 0:35:34Although when my mother told my grandmother, she said,

0:35:34 > 0:35:38"I've got something serious to tell you," to my grandmother,

0:35:38 > 0:35:40and when they all sat down and had a cup of tea,

0:35:40 > 0:35:42my mum sat down with my...

0:35:42 > 0:35:44Why she thought she should do it, I don't know,

0:35:44 > 0:35:47and said, "I've got something very serious to tell you about Sandi.

0:35:47 > 0:35:48"She's gay."

0:35:48 > 0:35:51And Granny said, "Oh, I thought you were going to say she was ill!

0:35:51 > 0:35:52"We had those in OUR day."

0:35:53 > 0:35:56- So, "We had those in our day" is good. It was OK.- That's lovely.

0:35:56 > 0:35:59We were fine after that.

0:35:59 > 0:36:03John Inman's Mr Humphries is a queen of British TV camp,

0:36:03 > 0:36:07but he's one of many brilliant comic camp creations.

0:36:07 > 0:36:11The success of Dick Emery's Clarence high-kicked it all off

0:36:11 > 0:36:16with his catchphrase, "Hello, Honky Tonk," on TV in 1963.

0:36:16 > 0:36:20Barry Stuart-Hargreaves came waltzing along in the ''80s,

0:36:20 > 0:36:23taking camp on holiday in Hi-de-Hi.

0:36:23 > 0:36:26James Dreyfus gave us

0:36:26 > 0:36:30PC Goody alongside Rowan Atkinson in The Thin Blue Line in the 1990s,

0:36:30 > 0:36:33and David Walliams gave camp a twist for the noughties

0:36:33 > 0:36:35with Sebastian,

0:36:35 > 0:36:39the Prime Minister's very personal aide in Little Britain.

0:36:45 > 0:36:48But Sandi's big TV break came in 1982,

0:36:48 > 0:36:53when ITV started making a brand-new, completely live

0:36:53 > 0:36:56Saturday morning kids' TV show, No. 73.

0:36:56 > 0:37:00It was to be bigger and messier than anything on the BBC,

0:37:00 > 0:37:02but she got started on the road to stardom

0:37:02 > 0:37:05not because of what she did right, but what she did wrong.

0:37:05 > 0:37:07- So, you know The Stage newspaper... - Yes.

0:37:07 > 0:37:09..the newspaper for the profession.

0:37:09 > 0:37:11I was reading it, and there was an advert in the back,

0:37:11 > 0:37:14"Would you like to have breakfast with a gorilla?"

0:37:14 > 0:37:15And I though, "Well, I don't mind."

0:37:15 > 0:37:19So, it said to send off your CV and a photograph of yourself,

0:37:19 > 0:37:21and I didn't realise, because I didn't know much about show

0:37:21 > 0:37:24business, that they meant one of those posh photographs.

0:37:24 > 0:37:27I went to Victoria Station in London to a photo booth,

0:37:27 > 0:37:29and I couldn't get the chair to go all the way up,

0:37:29 > 0:37:32so, I sent a photo that, honestly, it was three-quarters of my head

0:37:32 > 0:37:34in a little tiny picture like this,

0:37:34 > 0:37:36and the producers thought it was a joke.

0:37:36 > 0:37:37Oh, right! Oh, right.

0:37:37 > 0:37:42It was the only photo that I had of myself, and I auditioned,

0:37:42 > 0:37:44and I got the job.

0:37:44 > 0:37:49So, here we are. This is No. 73, with Sandi Toksvig.

0:37:52 > 0:37:55Morning. Did you see who that was?

0:37:55 > 0:37:57I bet it was the milkman.

0:37:57 > 0:37:59- That's not you!- It is me!

0:37:59 > 0:38:00No, that's you!

0:38:01 > 0:38:04- Have you seen this before? - No. Cos it was live!

0:38:04 > 0:38:05Well, let's have a look.

0:38:05 > 0:38:08That's how the day started. What does the horoscope say?

0:38:08 > 0:38:10Er...Taurus.

0:38:10 > 0:38:13It was live telly, hour and three-quarters.

0:38:13 > 0:38:15Still only three channels.

0:38:15 > 0:38:17Millions of people watching,

0:38:17 > 0:38:20and you knew there was a lot of work ahead of you.

0:38:20 > 0:38:23Your heart would be absolutely coming out of your chest.

0:38:23 > 0:38:25So, the first six years of my television career.

0:38:25 > 0:38:28- So, wonderful TV training, surely? - Oh, it's the best.

0:38:28 > 0:38:31There's nothing that went wrong that couldn't have gone wrong.

0:38:31 > 0:38:34First he had the whole house rewired, then he had me wired for sound.

0:38:34 > 0:38:35It's wonderful.

0:38:35 > 0:38:37KNOCK AT DOOR

0:38:38 > 0:38:39Oh, it can't be the milkman, can it?

0:38:39 > 0:38:42- I can't tell you...- A lot of acting. - There was a lot of acting,

0:38:42 > 0:38:44and I can't tell you how many things went wrong.

0:38:44 > 0:38:48We did a whole show with Spike Milligan, hour and three-quarters.

0:38:48 > 0:38:49The last five minutes,

0:38:49 > 0:38:52Spike and me are meant to do the whole big scene

0:38:52 > 0:38:54to wrap up everything.

0:38:54 > 0:38:56I go into that bit of the set,

0:38:56 > 0:38:59and the floor manager's behind the camera going, "Spike's gone home."

0:39:00 > 0:39:03To do the last five minutes, I played both parts.

0:39:03 > 0:39:05HONKY TONK MUSIC So, the daring, dazzling,

0:39:05 > 0:39:07death-defyingly dull, devastatingly dangerous,

0:39:07 > 0:39:10delectable, divinely decadent Sandwich Quiz!

0:39:10 > 0:39:12- ALL:- Heeeeeere's Ethel!

0:39:12 > 0:39:15The reason we did the Sandwich Quiz was, because the show was live,

0:39:15 > 0:39:17sometimes at the end we had two minutes left,

0:39:17 > 0:39:18and sometimes we had 22 minutes left,

0:39:18 > 0:39:21and we could never work out how to time it exactly,

0:39:21 > 0:39:23and the Sandwich Quiz, and my job,

0:39:23 > 0:39:25was to make sure we came out exactly on time.

0:39:25 > 0:39:27Prince Charles has saved a 59-year-old man

0:39:27 > 0:39:29who was in a car crash this morning.

0:39:29 > 0:39:31- Quite a hero, old Charles. - Is he? Going to make your sandwich?

0:39:31 > 0:39:34- Here's your currants.- Thanks. - Piece of bread. How are we doing?

0:39:34 > 0:39:35That's very nice.

0:39:35 > 0:39:38Pour them down here, and make them disappear or turn into sugar.

0:39:38 > 0:39:43- Talking of the Sandwich Quiz, I've got something...- Oh, no.

0:39:43 > 0:39:46..in the hall, that I'm just about to get.

0:39:46 > 0:39:49Should I feel worried? It's not another fox puppet, is it?

0:39:49 > 0:39:50No, you're OK.

0:39:51 > 0:39:54- I've got here...- Oh, for goodness' sake.- ..the very item.

0:39:54 > 0:39:55SHE CHUCKLES

0:39:55 > 0:39:58Ladies and gentlemen, we are presenting, for the first time...

0:39:58 > 0:40:02Oh, we had currants! It was for current affairs, we had currants.

0:40:02 > 0:40:05..in many years, we are going to perform the Sandwich Quiz.

0:40:05 > 0:40:07- These are your questions.- OK.

0:40:07 > 0:40:11- Cos we're going to play. I haven't seen them.- So, the idea was...

0:40:11 > 0:40:13Well, first up, can you do the tongue twister?

0:40:13 > 0:40:15Oh, my goodness, it must be 30 years.

0:40:15 > 0:40:17- I've got it here. - No, no, let me try.

0:40:17 > 0:40:19So, I used to bang the table, and the music would start.

0:40:19 > 0:40:21HONKY-TONK MUSIC And I would say...

0:40:21 > 0:40:23So, the daring, dazzling, death-defyingly dull,

0:40:23 > 0:40:25devastatingly dangerous, delectable,

0:40:25 > 0:40:27divinely decadent Sandwich Quiz.

0:40:27 > 0:40:30In the bag, ladies and gentlemen. A Blue Peter badge.

0:40:30 > 0:40:31So, I'm going to ask you a question.

0:40:31 > 0:40:33- Right.- If you get it right, you make a sandwich.

0:40:33 > 0:40:36You've got to do this quickly, we have a lot of people to feed.

0:40:36 > 0:40:38- Mm-hm.- OK, are you ready? KLAXON

0:40:38 > 0:40:41Sandwiches were invented by a famous earl, the Earl of...?

0:40:41 > 0:40:43- Of Sandwich.- Absolutely right. Make a sandwich.

0:40:43 > 0:40:45- So, I make a sandwich. - I'll ask you the next question -

0:40:45 > 0:40:46you've got to be quick.

0:40:46 > 0:40:49- Which country has a nut named after it?- Oh, gawd.

0:40:49 > 0:40:51- Um...- What is that? - I don't know what sandwich it is.

0:40:51 > 0:40:52Looks like salad cream.

0:40:52 > 0:40:55- No, don't do jam with it! It looks horrible.- I'm sorry.

0:40:55 > 0:40:57- Have I got to eat it afterwards? - Yes. Is it coronation chicken?

0:40:57 > 0:41:00- It is...brazil nuts.- Brazil nuts! Make another sandwich.

0:41:00 > 0:41:03Do you drink fizzy pop from a can or a cannot?

0:41:03 > 0:41:05- Er...from a can. - Oh, you're good. You're good!- Ah!

0:41:05 > 0:41:08- But you're not fast at the sandwiches.- No, I'm not.

0:41:08 > 0:41:09Normally there would have been two people.

0:41:09 > 0:41:11We'd have Elton John against Suzi Quatro.

0:41:11 > 0:41:13Oh, where's Elton when you need him?

0:41:13 > 0:41:16If you put bread in a bread bin, what do you put in a toaster?

0:41:16 > 0:41:18- Er... Oh, good - bread, bread. - Hey!- That was good!

0:41:18 > 0:41:21- I see where you were going there. - Another sandwich, please.

0:41:21 > 0:41:22Thank you very much.

0:41:22 > 0:41:24- Why did the chicken cross the road? - Er...

0:41:24 > 0:41:26To get to the other side.

0:41:26 > 0:41:27Ah, you see, a comic.

0:41:27 > 0:41:29We should ask some currant ones.

0:41:29 > 0:41:30Why did the tomato blush?

0:41:30 > 0:41:32Er, because it was...

0:41:32 > 0:41:35- sun-dried? - Because it saw the salad dressing.

0:41:35 > 0:41:37KLAXON Oh, you were doing so well!

0:41:37 > 0:41:38You should come on 15 to One.

0:41:38 > 0:41:41I'm telling you, the physics questions were next.

0:41:41 > 0:41:42Would have been great.

0:41:42 > 0:41:44Do you think that this would work well on 15 to One,

0:41:44 > 0:41:46- making sandwiches?- Yeah, why not?

0:41:46 > 0:41:48I love the fact that this is your idea.

0:41:48 > 0:41:50This is something that you thought of.

0:41:50 > 0:41:52Well, it's a long time ago, but maybe it's ripe for a comeback.

0:41:52 > 0:41:54Shall we see what we can do?

0:41:54 > 0:41:56- You said we should work together.- I'm ready.

0:41:56 > 0:41:58- Ready when you are.- Yeah?- Mm.

0:41:58 > 0:42:00Does it seem weird, watching yourself?

0:42:00 > 0:42:01Yeah, it is very strange.

0:42:01 > 0:42:03Because it was live, I never really watched it.

0:42:03 > 0:42:06So, it is very odd and dear Lord, I look young.

0:42:06 > 0:42:08- Mm, you still do, though.- You are gorgeous.

0:42:08 > 0:42:11I may be on the turn, Brian, I'm just saying. I really like you.

0:42:11 > 0:42:12God bless you.

0:42:12 > 0:42:14So, Sandi, to bring us up-to-date,

0:42:14 > 0:42:15what do you enjoy watching now on TV?

0:42:15 > 0:42:18I've loved all the Danish dramas that have done so well -

0:42:18 > 0:42:19The Killing, Borgen, The Legacy -

0:42:19 > 0:42:21I think they've been absolutely fantastic.

0:42:21 > 0:42:23I love the international element of them.

0:42:23 > 0:42:27Orange Is The New Black - American series, it's fantastic.

0:42:27 > 0:42:29Mary Beard, classical historian,

0:42:29 > 0:42:30talking about the Romans.

0:42:30 > 0:42:32It would be impossible

0:42:32 > 0:42:34to do documentary better than she does it,

0:42:34 > 0:42:38and then, after that, news. I'm a newshound, I'm afraid.

0:42:38 > 0:42:41So, as a guest on the show, you get a choice, now,

0:42:41 > 0:42:42to pick a theme tune...

0:42:42 > 0:42:45- OK.- ..that we're going to play out on.

0:42:45 > 0:42:46- There's only one.- Mm-hm.

0:42:46 > 0:42:50It's got to be Cagney & Lacey. I love those feisty ladies.

0:42:50 > 0:42:53I dreamt of striding down a street like that.

0:42:53 > 0:42:56- It reminds me of my American childhood.- Mm-hm.

0:42:56 > 0:42:58Ladies and gentlemen, this wonderful lady,

0:42:58 > 0:43:01Sandi Toksvig, God bless you.

0:43:01 > 0:43:03And here is Cagney & Lacey to play us out.

0:43:03 > 0:43:05We'll see you soon. Bye-bye.