0:00:02 > 0:00:03TV, the magic box of delights.
0:00:03 > 0:00:07As kids, it showed us a million different worlds -
0:00:07 > 0:00:08all from our living room.
0:00:09 > 0:00:12- So funny!- That was state-of-the-art.
0:00:12 > 0:00:15- Aah!- I loved this.
0:00:15 > 0:00:16Each day, I'm going to journey
0:00:16 > 0:00:19through the wonderful world of telly...
0:00:19 > 0:00:22- Cheers.- ..with one of our favourite celebrities...
0:00:22 > 0:00:24- We're going into space. - It is just so silly.
0:00:24 > 0:00:25Oh, no!
0:00:28 > 0:00:31- Yeah!- ..as they select the iconic TV moments...
0:00:33 > 0:00:35- My God, this is the scene!- Oh, dear.
0:00:35 > 0:00:38..that tell us the stories of their lives.
0:00:39 > 0:00:42- I absolutely adore this. - Some will make you laugh...
0:00:42 > 0:00:44Don't watch the telly, Esther, watch me.
0:00:44 > 0:00:46- ..some will surprise... - HE LAUGHS
0:00:46 > 0:00:49No way, where did you find this?
0:00:50 > 0:00:51..many will inspire...
0:00:51 > 0:00:55It used to transport us to places that we could only dream about.
0:00:55 > 0:00:57..and others will move us.
0:00:57 > 0:01:01- I am emotional now. - Today, we look even more deeply.
0:01:01 > 0:01:02Why wouldn't you want to watch this?
0:01:02 > 0:01:06So, come watch with us as we rewind to the classic telly
0:01:06 > 0:01:09that helped shape those wide-eyed youngsters
0:01:09 > 0:01:11into the much-loved stars they are today.
0:01:19 > 0:01:21- APPLAUSE - Welcome to The TV That Made Me.
0:01:21 > 0:01:24My guest today knows a thing or two about television.
0:01:24 > 0:01:28He is the one and only Mr Richard Arnold.
0:01:28 > 0:01:31Richard! Welcome, welcome to my flat.
0:01:31 > 0:01:33Thank you. Thank you.
0:01:33 > 0:01:36A radio and TV presenter for over 20 years,
0:01:36 > 0:01:40Richard's made a career of knowing about what's on the box,
0:01:40 > 0:01:42working as a TV critic for GMTV
0:01:42 > 0:01:45and most recently, as the entertainment editor
0:01:45 > 0:01:47on Good Morning Britain.
0:01:49 > 0:01:54The TV that made him includes a very fashionable costume drama,
0:01:54 > 0:01:56an inspirational talk show legend...
0:01:56 > 0:01:59A veritable maelstrom of emotional carnage.
0:01:59 > 0:02:02..and a TV show that kicked off his career.
0:02:02 > 0:02:06Bless her heart. Well, Tina, who am I to refuse a damsel in distress?
0:02:06 > 0:02:10Richard, you must know more about TV than anyone else does.
0:02:10 > 0:02:13I mean, you're famed for being a TV critic, you know,
0:02:13 > 0:02:15- and your magazine articles, things like that.- Yeah.
0:02:15 > 0:02:18So, you should be an expert on this show.
0:02:18 > 0:02:21See this is where you're always put...
0:02:21 > 0:02:24under the cosh when people assume that you have seen absolutely
0:02:24 > 0:02:26every hour of television over the last 30 years.
0:02:26 > 0:02:28I probably have, but I can't remember a lot of it.
0:02:28 > 0:02:30Well, today is a celebration
0:02:30 > 0:02:32of your favourite TV moments.
0:02:32 > 0:02:34- Oh, you will have me tearing up. - Really?- Yeah.- Do you think so?
0:02:34 > 0:02:37- Oh, yeah.- Yeah?- I love pressing that nostalgia button.
0:02:37 > 0:02:40You know, when you start talking about TV of old,
0:02:40 > 0:02:42it takes you right back. It's the best therapy...
0:02:42 > 0:02:45- We're going to need a bigger couch, though.- You think so? Why?
0:02:45 > 0:02:48- Well, cos if I'm in therapy, I like to stretch out.- OK.
0:02:48 > 0:02:49- You can stretch out. - I can stretch out?
0:02:49 > 0:02:51- You're good with that, aren't you? - Yeah.- Yeah.
0:02:51 > 0:02:54- Of course he is. Of course he is. - Well, before we get started,
0:02:54 > 0:02:57we're going to find out a little bit more about the young Richard Arnold.
0:02:57 > 0:03:00- Right, OK. - Have a little look at this.
0:03:00 > 0:03:05Born in 1969 in Hampshire, Richard grew up with his mum Dot,
0:03:05 > 0:03:08and his dad Dave, who was a helicopter engineer.
0:03:08 > 0:03:11The family moved to Aberdeenshire when he was 11,
0:03:11 > 0:03:15and he went on to study at Edinburgh University.
0:03:15 > 0:03:18After uni, Richard headed to London to take a course
0:03:18 > 0:03:19in journalism.
0:03:19 > 0:03:23This would eventually lead to him getting the job that would shape the
0:03:23 > 0:03:27rest of his career when he became a reporter for Inside Soap magazine.
0:03:29 > 0:03:33Richard's first TV gig was The Sunday Show in 1995,
0:03:33 > 0:03:38and he's been a familiar face on our screens ever since.
0:03:38 > 0:03:40- Takes you back, doesn't it? - Doesn't it?
0:03:40 > 0:03:42TV, for us, was appointment to view.
0:03:42 > 0:03:44It was actually quite unifying.
0:03:44 > 0:03:47We always ate our dinner or whatever at the table,
0:03:47 > 0:03:49but we went to the TV, obviously, and gathered around it.
0:03:49 > 0:03:51And we would watch shows as a family.
0:03:51 > 0:03:53I'm an only child, so it was me, Dot and Dave.
0:03:53 > 0:03:54And they're still with us, you know.
0:03:54 > 0:03:57And we still, to this day, whenever they come and stay,
0:03:57 > 0:03:59we'll sit down and watch the big shows like Strictly and X Factor.
0:03:59 > 0:04:02- Yeah?- And the dramas and all that.
0:04:05 > 0:04:09- I want to take you back to your earliest TV memory now, Richard.- OK.
0:04:09 > 0:04:11I'm not going to say any more,
0:04:11 > 0:04:13but let's have a little look, shall we?
0:04:17 > 0:04:20- Ooh.- La Maison de Toutou.
0:04:20 > 0:04:21- Yes.- The letterbox.
0:04:21 > 0:04:22I'd forgotten that.
0:04:22 > 0:04:24It was originally a production
0:04:24 > 0:04:25from France.
0:04:25 > 0:04:27- Was it? I had no idea.- Yeah, yeah.
0:04:27 > 0:04:29They added British voices at a later date.
0:04:29 > 0:04:32DOG WHISTLES
0:04:32 > 0:04:34Why are you whistling, Hector?
0:04:34 > 0:04:35I'm calling Mrs Frog. I'm bored.
0:04:35 > 0:04:37- I feel like some company. - Oh, Hector.
0:04:37 > 0:04:39First broadcast in the UK in the '60s,
0:04:39 > 0:04:44Hector's House was a popular but rather basic hand puppet show.
0:04:44 > 0:04:45..Mr Hector calling.
0:04:45 > 0:04:48- That's brilliant!- Oh, the frog. - I'm regressing.- The frog.
0:04:48 > 0:04:50I know, I'm regressing.
0:04:50 > 0:04:52Weren't we easily pleased? LAUGHTER
0:04:52 > 0:04:53We really were.
0:04:53 > 0:04:55The funny thing, this is the sort
0:04:55 > 0:04:58- of thing you can watch now and it's quite hypnotic, isn't it?- Yeah.
0:04:58 > 0:05:02This gentle children's TV series featured Hector the Dog,
0:05:02 > 0:05:05Zsazsa the Cat and Kiki the Frog,
0:05:05 > 0:05:09as they got up to all sorts of adventures in Hector's back garden.
0:05:10 > 0:05:13Nothing there? Oh, well, the postman hasn't been yet.
0:05:13 > 0:05:15- Let's go and put it in the box. - Oh, yes.
0:05:15 > 0:05:17What do you think of the puppetry? It's hilarious.
0:05:17 > 0:05:22Well, it's state-of-the-art. It's state-of-the-art, who needs CGI?
0:05:22 > 0:05:24- I don't.- What's not to love?
0:05:24 > 0:05:27Could you imagine children today enjoying it?
0:05:27 > 0:05:29Do you know what, I-I think if you
0:05:29 > 0:05:32take these devices out of their hands and stuff, you know,
0:05:32 > 0:05:35their imagination is just as vivid as it was...
0:05:35 > 0:05:37Goodness knows we needed imagination to fill in the gaps here,
0:05:37 > 0:05:39didn't we, when we were younger?
0:05:39 > 0:05:41Do you know what I mean? I wonder where those puppets are.
0:05:41 > 0:05:44They're probably in an attic with a lot of old memories.
0:05:44 > 0:05:46- HECTOR CLEARS THROAT - "My dear Hector..."
0:05:46 > 0:05:48- "My dear Hector..." - Yes, my dear Hector.
0:05:48 > 0:05:52"You are a great big old Hector..." Ha, you see, they know me.
0:05:52 > 0:05:53Oh, yes.
0:05:53 > 0:05:55So, this is a very young Richard just getting
0:05:55 > 0:05:58- engrossed into Hector's House, was it?- Mm-hm. Yeah.- Yeah?
0:05:58 > 0:06:01Well, it was the narrative, very tightly woven plots,
0:06:01 > 0:06:04Brian, that got me into it, I think...
0:06:04 > 0:06:06LAUGHTER It was utterly gripping.
0:06:06 > 0:06:10I wish there had been an omnibus, let's put it that way.
0:06:14 > 0:06:17We're going to go to Must See TV.
0:06:17 > 0:06:21- And before we...- Oh, my God.
0:06:21 > 0:06:25..we have Must See TV, there is a little clue as to what it might be.
0:06:25 > 0:06:28- You sure this goes out in the afternoon?- Yeah, yeah.
0:06:28 > 0:06:32Can you guess what the show might be, if we've given you this?
0:06:32 > 0:06:34- If you've given me this?- No, no, no. You've got a little...
0:06:34 > 0:06:37Is this like a dressing gown that I wore in my misspent youth
0:06:37 > 0:06:39while I watched my favourite show?
0:06:39 > 0:06:42- Well, I believe it's someone on that show...- Right.
0:06:42 > 0:06:45..who used to wear something very similar to that.
0:06:45 > 0:06:48- Come on.- Yeah, it's what I'm thinking about.- It's Dallas.
0:06:48 > 0:06:52It's Dallas. Right. OK, yeah, this is my favourite show of all time.
0:06:52 > 0:06:53I actually go to Southfork, well,
0:06:53 > 0:06:56- have done for the last six years, every year.- Every year?- Every year.
0:06:56 > 0:06:59- Like...to pay homage? - Well, yes, yeah! Give it a dust.
0:06:59 > 0:07:02- Should we have a little look? - Yeah, go on.
0:07:02 > 0:07:04Take me back, take me back. Here's a bit of Dallas.
0:07:06 > 0:07:11Debuting in 1978 as a five-part miniseries, the original run of
0:07:11 > 0:07:16Dallas was extended and went on to air for over 13 seasons
0:07:16 > 0:07:20between 1978 and 1991.
0:07:20 > 0:07:23Thanks to its gripping, sensational storylines,
0:07:23 > 0:07:26Dallas was a huge success and went on to be dubbed
0:07:26 > 0:07:28in 67 languages,
0:07:28 > 0:07:30broadcasting in more than
0:07:30 > 0:07:3290 countries.
0:07:32 > 0:07:36I'm a complete Dallas aficionado/fan.
0:07:36 > 0:07:38It was the show that we watched as a family -
0:07:38 > 0:07:41again, because you had to stay in for television, then.
0:07:41 > 0:07:44So, this was obviously pre the VCR or whatever.
0:07:44 > 0:07:46And so, when it started in 1978,
0:07:46 > 0:07:48I remember sitting down and watched it.
0:07:48 > 0:07:51Then, of course, the whole shooting of JR thing happened in 1980,
0:07:51 > 0:07:53and it all took off. And I would sit in a...
0:07:53 > 0:07:55HE LAUGHS
0:07:55 > 0:07:56..not something too dissimilar.
0:07:56 > 0:07:59- It was like a sort of quilted silk dressing gown.- Right.
0:07:59 > 0:08:02You know, on Dallas, JR's favourite drink was bourbon and branch,
0:08:02 > 0:08:05which is like a Scotch and water, I suppose, isn't it? Whatever.
0:08:05 > 0:08:07So, I would...
0:08:07 > 0:08:11get Mum to put lots of ice in Coca-Cola
0:08:11 > 0:08:14so that when he drank, I would drink.
0:08:14 > 0:08:16And it would rattle like it does on the show.
0:08:16 > 0:08:18Like a young person's drinking game, isn't it?
0:08:18 > 0:08:21HE LAUGHS That's where it started.
0:08:21 > 0:08:25- Well, we have a scene here, and it involves Larry Hagman.- Go on.
0:08:25 > 0:08:28Slightly risque. Well, you can almost see everything.
0:08:28 > 0:08:30Well, just keep spreading the Bs, boy.
0:08:30 > 0:08:32'Yes, sir.'
0:08:32 > 0:08:33Booty, booze and broads.
0:08:33 > 0:08:36The first thing you taught me a good lobbyist likes.
0:08:36 > 0:08:38Oh, close your...
0:08:38 > 0:08:39- BOTH:- Ooh!
0:08:39 > 0:08:41That could have gone either way.
0:08:41 > 0:08:44Oil baron JR Ewing was only meant to be a supporting role,
0:08:44 > 0:08:48but this addictive villain proved hugely popular with viewers
0:08:48 > 0:08:50and soon became a lead.
0:08:52 > 0:08:53Brilliantly played by Larry Hagman,
0:08:53 > 0:09:00JR was the only character to appear in all 357 episodes.
0:09:00 > 0:09:04- Well, what have we here? - GLASS CLINKS
0:09:04 > 0:09:05Now, that's a dressing gown, Richard.
0:09:05 > 0:09:08Well, it's a little closer to what I normally wear at home, actually.
0:09:08 > 0:09:11- Really?- Yeah, the company I keep is marginally different.
0:09:11 > 0:09:13LAUGHTER
0:09:13 > 0:09:17- But the gaping kimono, I do own. - Really?- Yes, I do own. Yes.
0:09:17 > 0:09:19So, did you have a favourite character within the show?
0:09:19 > 0:09:22It was Linda Gray - Sue Ellen - and JR.
0:09:22 > 0:09:24It was all about them for me.
0:09:24 > 0:09:27But what about when it came back and it was all a dream?
0:09:27 > 0:09:29- Oh, Bobby? Yeah, the shower?- Yeah.
0:09:29 > 0:09:33In one of the most bizarre plot lines ever seen on primetime
0:09:33 > 0:09:37television, Bobby Ewing returned to Dallas a year after being
0:09:37 > 0:09:38killed off.
0:09:38 > 0:09:41And the explanation of his return -
0:09:41 > 0:09:42that the whole previous season's
0:09:42 > 0:09:44events had been a dream.
0:09:47 > 0:09:48Good morning.
0:09:48 > 0:09:50How did that sit with you?
0:09:50 > 0:09:53- I loved it cos it was great to see Patrick Duffy back.- Yes.
0:09:53 > 0:09:55So, I would forgive them anything,
0:09:55 > 0:09:57if it was getting the whole family back together,
0:09:57 > 0:09:59so that didn't bother me.
0:09:59 > 0:10:01I managed to suspend disbelief. I mean, I think the show went
0:10:01 > 0:10:04a little downhill then, but nevertheless, I stuck with it
0:10:04 > 0:10:06all the way to the end. Watched every episode.
0:10:06 > 0:10:09You are without doubt a Dallas expert,
0:10:09 > 0:10:11so we would like to put you to the test right now.
0:10:11 > 0:10:14I'd like to remind everyone that you actually did this...
0:10:14 > 0:10:16This is your specialist subject on Mastermind.
0:10:16 > 0:10:18- Yeah, it was, yeah.- It was.
0:10:18 > 0:10:21Starting now. After the initial pilot episodes of Dallas,
0:10:21 > 0:10:24Duncan Acres became the location for which fictional Texas ranch,
0:10:24 > 0:10:25the home of the Ewing family?
0:10:25 > 0:10:27- Southfork Ranch.- Yes.
0:10:27 > 0:10:30- Richard.- Yes. - This is your Dallas quiz.
0:10:30 > 0:10:33- STOPWATCH CLICKS - When JR was first shot
0:10:33 > 0:10:36on March 21st, 19...
0:10:36 > 0:10:38- '80.- See, you know all that.
0:10:38 > 0:10:39..who did it?
0:10:39 > 0:10:45Was it Kristin Shepard, Sue Ellen, Cliff Barnes or Miss Ellie?
0:10:45 > 0:10:48- Kristin Shepard.- Absolutely correct.- Sue Ellen's sister. Yes.
0:10:51 > 0:10:54- HE LAUGHS - Won that.
0:10:54 > 0:10:57- That is your...that is your... - Do I have to put it on?- Yes, you do.
0:10:57 > 0:11:00I'm not sure it goes with my kimono, but I'll give it a shot, Brian,
0:11:00 > 0:11:01just cos I'm a big fan.
0:11:01 > 0:11:05Shall I just put it on my nose? I mean, we'll just do that.
0:11:05 > 0:11:07OK, we are good.
0:11:08 > 0:11:09- Name... - AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:11:09 > 0:11:12This is a serious quiz, ladies and gentlemen.
0:11:12 > 0:11:14I'm on a knife's edge, ladies and gentlemen, here.
0:11:14 > 0:11:18- Well, my career is, anyway.- Name... - THEY LAUGH
0:11:18 > 0:11:23- ..name the Dallas spin-off series that ran from 1979 to 1993.- That...
0:11:23 > 0:11:26- Was it...? Oh, you don't even need these.- Go on.
0:11:26 > 0:11:28..Santa Barbara, Knots Landing,
0:11:28 > 0:11:30The Colbys, The Ewings?
0:11:30 > 0:11:34It was Knots Landing, and I've been there too. Three times.
0:11:34 > 0:11:38- A cul-de-sac in California.- Great. - Yep.- You've upgraded now.- Have I?
0:11:38 > 0:11:41To a slightly bigger hat. You can take that one off.
0:11:41 > 0:11:44- Well, that might work. I can take that one off, can I?- Yes.- Right.
0:11:44 > 0:11:47Oh, OK. Right, I might have to wear it at a jaunty angle for now.
0:11:47 > 0:11:49Is that all right?
0:11:49 > 0:11:51Which Academy award-winning actress replaced
0:11:51 > 0:11:56Barbara Bel Geddes in the role of Miss Ellie for just one season?
0:11:56 > 0:11:58Was it A - Donna Reed, B - Elizabeth Taylor,
0:11:58 > 0:12:02C - Jessica Tandy or D - Katharine Hepburn?
0:12:02 > 0:12:03The late, great Donna Reed.
0:12:03 > 0:12:09- Donna Reed. - APPLAUSE
0:12:09 > 0:12:12We're getting there. HE CHUCKLES
0:12:12 > 0:12:18In 1987, which Hollywood heart-throb had an early role as Randy,
0:12:18 > 0:12:20the boyfriend of Charlie Wade?
0:12:20 > 0:12:22Was it A - Brad Pitt, B - Johnny Depp,
0:12:22 > 0:12:25C - John Cusack or D - Ben Affleck?
0:12:27 > 0:12:30- Brad Pitt.- That is correct. - Yeah, yeah, that's right.
0:12:30 > 0:12:34APPLAUSE
0:12:34 > 0:12:36- OK, slightly bigger. - Well, it's a bit...
0:12:36 > 0:12:40- It's Tex-Mex, I'll give you that. It's Tex-Mex.- Final question.
0:12:40 > 0:12:44Name all four Ewing brothers.
0:12:44 > 0:12:46Gary, Ray, Bobby and JR.
0:12:46 > 0:12:48- Absolutely right. - Thank you very much.
0:12:48 > 0:12:49Do I get the full ten gallons now?
0:12:52 > 0:12:54LAUGHTER
0:12:54 > 0:12:56Did you win this in a raffle?
0:12:58 > 0:13:00- Your applause, please... - APPLAUSE
0:13:00 > 0:13:02- ..to the king of Dallas.- Thank you.
0:13:02 > 0:13:06The man who pretty much knows it all. Well done indeed.
0:13:06 > 0:13:08Thank you, ma'am.
0:13:16 > 0:13:18- And we're going to do an Advert Break now.- OK.
0:13:18 > 0:13:20It's a VW advert.
0:13:20 > 0:13:24- Oh, OK, right.- Starring... - Is this Paula...?- ..Paula Hamilton.
0:13:24 > 0:13:28- Yeah, yeah, I do remember this. - Yeah.- Oh, this was great.
0:13:28 > 0:13:33# Everyone is going through changes... #
0:13:33 > 0:13:34I can't believe you found this.
0:13:34 > 0:13:36# And no-one knows what's going on. #
0:13:36 > 0:13:39It's almost 30 years since Paula Hamilton reached the heights
0:13:39 > 0:13:41of her modelling career,
0:13:41 > 0:13:45starring in one of the most iconic TV ads of the '80s.
0:13:45 > 0:13:47She going to keep that fur coat?
0:13:47 > 0:13:49I think we've all had days like this, haven't we, ladies?
0:13:49 > 0:13:51Or dates that have gone wrong like that?
0:13:51 > 0:13:54So, she's, obviously, not in the best of moods.
0:13:54 > 0:13:55Look at the shoulder pads on that.
0:13:55 > 0:13:58Thinks about dropping the keys through the drain,
0:13:58 > 0:14:00but she's not going to give up the motor.
0:14:00 > 0:14:02And there she goes.
0:14:03 > 0:14:06Now, which one of us hasn't re-enacted that moment?
0:14:06 > 0:14:08LAUGHTER
0:14:08 > 0:14:13# But the world goes on the same. #
0:14:15 > 0:14:18And also, I think you hear the music then.
0:14:18 > 0:14:21Adverts around that time in the '80s
0:14:21 > 0:14:23had soundtracks, effectively, didn't they?
0:14:23 > 0:14:25And the songs became hits off the back of them,
0:14:25 > 0:14:31so Sam Cooke, the old Levi's adverts, you know?
0:14:31 > 0:14:34It sort of all caught on.
0:14:34 > 0:14:39You know, these songs suddenly became big hits off the back of,
0:14:39 > 0:14:42you know, obviously, being in adverts.
0:14:47 > 0:14:50Well, we've got something now that's got plenty of frocks
0:14:50 > 0:14:52and the odd shock.
0:14:56 > 0:14:59RICHARD LAUGHS Oh, it's The House Of Eliott!
0:14:59 > 0:15:03This 1920s period drama followed the fate of two sisters
0:15:03 > 0:15:06after their philandering father dies,
0:15:06 > 0:15:08leaving them penniless.
0:15:08 > 0:15:12The sisters set their sights on starting up a dressmaking business.
0:15:12 > 0:15:15I'll have it sorted out in a minute.
0:15:15 > 0:15:16Louise Lombard, was it?
0:15:16 > 0:15:19- Yes, she was. Louise Lombard. - Yeah, Louise Lombard. Yeah.
0:15:19 > 0:15:22- It's been a very heavy day for all of us.- Right.
0:15:22 > 0:15:26Um, right, well, there were 36 garments in the small store.
0:15:26 > 0:15:30- Now, they're undamaged. - Only 36?- I'm afraid so.
0:15:30 > 0:15:32- The House Of Eliott. Sunday nights.- Yeah.
0:15:32 > 0:15:35And it was such kitsch viewing.
0:15:35 > 0:15:38So, two women, obviously, setting up their own fashion house,
0:15:38 > 0:15:40which was The House Of Eliott.
0:15:40 > 0:15:42French and Saunders did a fantastic spoof of it
0:15:42 > 0:15:44called The House Of Idiot. LAUGHTER
0:15:44 > 0:15:46You know what French and Saunders are like, God bless them.
0:15:46 > 0:15:50They got it absolutely bang on. Every episode would sort of open
0:15:50 > 0:15:53- with a penny-farthing coming into view.- Yeah.
0:15:53 > 0:15:55Um, it was all that sort of business.
0:15:55 > 0:15:57But with a bit of overtime here and at Bayswater,
0:15:57 > 0:16:00I reckon we could make up the lost time in about eight weeks.
0:16:00 > 0:16:01As soon as that?
0:16:01 > 0:16:05- I think that's a little optimistic. - Well, everyone's keen to try.
0:16:06 > 0:16:09Well, I think we'd better err on the side of caution and say ten weeks.
0:16:09 > 0:16:12- Don't you agree?- Yes, I do.
0:16:12 > 0:16:15People couldn't understand why it was so popular, I think,
0:16:15 > 0:16:18- and it became... It was the Downton of its day, if you like.- Yeah, yeah.
0:16:18 > 0:16:20Or certainly in a similar slot.
0:16:20 > 0:16:22It's something you watched religiously?
0:16:22 > 0:16:25Yeah, we used to watch it on Sunday nights. I'd just moved to London.
0:16:25 > 0:16:28We were living hand-to-mouth, so we would always be staying in.
0:16:28 > 0:16:30You know what I mean? Eating tuna pasta bake or whatever.
0:16:30 > 0:16:34I was living with two friends at the time, Shona and Louise,
0:16:34 > 0:16:38- and the three of us would re-enact scenes.- Really?- Yeah.
0:16:38 > 0:16:42It was terrific. Absolutely terrific.
0:16:42 > 0:16:44- That takes me right back, that does.- Aw.
0:16:44 > 0:16:47I mean, this was a costume drama, so were you into fashion?
0:16:47 > 0:16:52Not really into fashion, you know, um, but I loved...
0:16:52 > 0:16:55- Again, I suppose it is that sort of glamour...- Is it the romance?
0:16:55 > 0:16:57..the romance, yeah. I loved all...
0:16:57 > 0:17:00You know, like A Passage To India, A Jewel In The Crown.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02- Loved all those shows.- Mm-hm.
0:17:02 > 0:17:05Give me a sweeping saga, and as you say, frocks and shocks,
0:17:05 > 0:17:09- and I'm a happy man.- Yeah.
0:17:09 > 0:17:12And they're vintage, you know. Perhaps House Of Eliott less so,
0:17:12 > 0:17:15with the greatest of respect to the creative team behind it.
0:17:15 > 0:17:17But when you think about Brideshead Revisited
0:17:17 > 0:17:18and shows like that, I mean,
0:17:18 > 0:17:21I just think we set the standard in this country.
0:17:26 > 0:17:30Richard, we're going for your Biggest TV Influence now.
0:17:30 > 0:17:32I won't say anything, but have a look at this.
0:17:32 > 0:17:33Here he is. The governor.
0:17:33 > 0:17:35CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:17:35 > 0:17:39- Aw.- He is a legend, isn't he? - Yeah, absolutely.
0:17:39 > 0:17:42Compliments of the season to you, my people,
0:17:42 > 0:17:43and a very happy Christmas.
0:17:43 > 0:17:45In the decade that Wogan aired,
0:17:45 > 0:17:48this hit talk show pulled in the biggest stars.
0:17:48 > 0:17:51Generally broadcast live, the late, great Sir Terry
0:17:51 > 0:17:55was known for his unflappable and humorous interviewing skills.
0:17:55 > 0:17:59This is a Dallas one. I've got this on VHS.
0:17:59 > 0:18:01- I've got this on VHS! - You are unbelievable.- Yes.
0:18:01 > 0:18:05A good old Texas boy, John Ross Ewing Jr,
0:18:05 > 0:18:06otherwise known as Larry Hagman.
0:18:06 > 0:18:09CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:18:09 > 0:18:11I can almost quote it word for word.
0:18:11 > 0:18:15You cracked the old whip, didn't you, by bringing back Bobby?
0:18:15 > 0:18:18Well, no. No, not at all. I...
0:18:18 > 0:18:20My whole modus operandi
0:18:20 > 0:18:22was to get the show back to where it was a year ago.
0:18:22 > 0:18:24Because it had slumped in the ratings?
0:18:24 > 0:18:26Not because it had slumped in the ratings.
0:18:26 > 0:18:27Because it wasn't any fun any more.
0:18:27 > 0:18:31- An absolute master of his game, Wogan.- Yeah.
0:18:31 > 0:18:32And just watching this,
0:18:32 > 0:18:34- I used to pretend I was being interviewed by him.- Oh, no.
0:18:34 > 0:18:38I was an only child, Brian, so you had to make a lot of it up,
0:18:38 > 0:18:41fill in the blanks, and I used to pretend I was being interviewed.
0:18:41 > 0:18:44- There was no singing in a hairbrush for me.- No.
0:18:44 > 0:18:47But there was sort of, you know, imagining being interviewed,
0:18:47 > 0:18:49- rather like you're doing now. - Yeah.- Yeah.
0:18:49 > 0:18:51Um, and Wogan was always my preferred...
0:18:51 > 0:18:54No disrespect, but, you know... LAUGHTER
0:18:54 > 0:18:56He's a cocky devil, isn't he?
0:18:56 > 0:18:58- Why would you say that? - LAUGHTER
0:18:58 > 0:19:00There is something about his demeanour.
0:19:00 > 0:19:02What do you think of Wogan's technique?
0:19:02 > 0:19:06He just... He has... He had a...
0:19:06 > 0:19:08- His charm.- Mm-hm.- You know?
0:19:08 > 0:19:12I think it was that twinkle in the eye, his charm,
0:19:12 > 0:19:14- he sort of affectionately ribbed people.- Mm-hm.
0:19:14 > 0:19:16It felt very inclusive.
0:19:16 > 0:19:19You know, I just think, as I say, a master of his game.
0:19:21 > 0:19:23He was indeed.
0:19:23 > 0:19:26Legendary entertainer Sir Terry Wogan started his career
0:19:26 > 0:19:30on Irish radio before joining the BBC in the mid-'60s.
0:19:32 > 0:19:35Thanks to his quick wit, wisdom and charm,
0:19:35 > 0:19:40he became a broadcasting superstar of both radio and television.
0:19:41 > 0:19:44Sir Terry could turn his hand to anything,
0:19:44 > 0:19:47from fronting a hit game show to co-hosting Children in Need.
0:19:49 > 0:19:51Not only did the world's biggest celebrities
0:19:51 > 0:19:53flock to be interviewed by the great man...
0:19:55 > 0:19:58..his Radio 2 breakfast show regularly boasted
0:19:58 > 0:20:01eight million listeners, including the Queen,
0:20:01 > 0:20:05which made him the most popular radio host in Europe.
0:20:05 > 0:20:08Speaking of Europe, Sir Terry was, of course,
0:20:08 > 0:20:12famed for his cheeky commentary on the Eurovision Song Contest.
0:20:14 > 0:20:16Yeah, I think I've made a little mistake.
0:20:16 > 0:20:18- WOGAN:- That's OK. You're fired.
0:20:19 > 0:20:21Without doubt one of the most popular
0:20:21 > 0:20:24and best-loved broadcasters in Britain,
0:20:24 > 0:20:26Sir Terry, we miss you.
0:20:28 > 0:20:31So, as a young man, Richard Arnold will be looking at this,
0:20:31 > 0:20:35dreaming of being the Terry Wogan interviewing many guests.
0:20:35 > 0:20:36Yeah, absolutely.
0:20:36 > 0:20:39As I say, the fact that I've ended up being in a position
0:20:39 > 0:20:41to interview all these big names over the years -
0:20:41 > 0:20:44could be sportsmen, you're shaking hands with prime ministers,
0:20:44 > 0:20:47- you've met all your TV heroes... - Yeah.
0:20:47 > 0:20:49..it's extraordinary.
0:20:49 > 0:20:51I mean, who have you been in awe of?
0:20:51 > 0:20:56I was flown to New York to interview Barbra Streisand.
0:20:56 > 0:20:57StreisAND.
0:20:57 > 0:20:59And...
0:20:59 > 0:21:02Cos I called her Barbra STREISand, which you tend to do in Britain.
0:21:02 > 0:21:04Of course, she's quick to correct. She said, "It's StreisAND."
0:21:04 > 0:21:05But she was wonderful.
0:21:05 > 0:21:08You get showed into the room. You're sat there and she's there.
0:21:08 > 0:21:11There's this lighting rig going on. Everything is fabulous.
0:21:11 > 0:21:13Anyway, it's a very hot day in New York.
0:21:13 > 0:21:16It's early autumn and we're in this hotel, as I say.
0:21:16 > 0:21:17The lights are up
0:21:17 > 0:21:20and I started to get a bead of sweat on my top lip.
0:21:20 > 0:21:23It wasn't nerves at all because I think if you've done your prep -
0:21:23 > 0:21:25and obviously being a big Barbra fan,
0:21:25 > 0:21:28which may come as a shock to you... LAUGHTER
0:21:28 > 0:21:32..I was, you know, giddy, more than anything. Really excited.
0:21:32 > 0:21:35Anyway, the interview, I think, is going really, really well
0:21:35 > 0:21:37and she's tittering away.
0:21:37 > 0:21:39She said, "You're my leading man for today."
0:21:39 > 0:21:41I thought, "Great, I'll have that."
0:21:41 > 0:21:45And she then stopped the interview.
0:21:45 > 0:21:49And she just leant forward with a tissue and mopped my top lip
0:21:49 > 0:21:52and she said, "We've got to take care of each other, right?"
0:21:52 > 0:21:54- It was unbelievable. I was like... - Lovely.
0:21:54 > 0:21:56Extraordinary.
0:21:56 > 0:21:58- And the second time was also in New York.- You've got a bogey.
0:21:58 > 0:22:01Have I got a...? Have I? LAUGHTER
0:22:04 > 0:22:07She did it with a bit more panache.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10Well done. She did it with... And there it is.
0:22:12 > 0:22:16- I love the way you bit. "Have I? Have I?"- Yeah.
0:22:21 > 0:22:24What was your first break into television then, Richard?
0:22:24 > 0:22:25How did you go from being interviewed,
0:22:25 > 0:22:27pretending to be interviewed by Wogan to...?
0:22:27 > 0:22:29To getting on the telly?
0:22:29 > 0:22:32I was working for a magazine in London at the time.
0:22:32 > 0:22:34It was one of its kind at the time.
0:22:34 > 0:22:36It was a magazine about soap operas,
0:22:36 > 0:22:38and this was my sort of work experience
0:22:38 > 0:22:39when I came down from Scotland,
0:22:39 > 0:22:42cos I actually started off studying law at Edinburgh.
0:22:42 > 0:22:44Gave it up after about three weeks. It was a little too...
0:22:44 > 0:22:47It wasn't like Crown Court, let's put it that way.
0:22:47 > 0:22:50And so moved down and a phone call came into the office saying,
0:22:50 > 0:22:53"We're looking for someone to come on and talk about telly
0:22:53 > 0:22:54"on this new show."
0:22:54 > 0:22:56It was a youth show called The Sunday Show.
0:22:56 > 0:22:58It was out on Sundays, funnily enough.
0:22:58 > 0:22:59Did exactly what it said on the tin.
0:22:59 > 0:23:02And it was about '94, '95,
0:23:02 > 0:23:06and my nickname on the show was Soapy Dick.
0:23:06 > 0:23:09LAUGHTER
0:23:09 > 0:23:13- That's a moniker that can stick with a gentleman.- Yes, yes.
0:23:13 > 0:23:16And so that's how it started,
0:23:16 > 0:23:21and we did a sort of surreal take on the week's TV.
0:23:21 > 0:23:25Well, let's have a look, shall we, at your big break?
0:23:25 > 0:23:27We've got this rather heart-rending letter from...
0:23:27 > 0:23:30HE LAUGHS 'Oh, no way!'
0:23:30 > 0:23:32- This is you on The Sunday Show, Richard.- No way!
0:23:32 > 0:23:34Where did you find this?
0:23:34 > 0:23:36Broadcast on a Sunday lunchtime,
0:23:36 > 0:23:38the show gave the lowdown on what was happening
0:23:38 > 0:23:40in the world of entertainment.
0:23:40 > 0:23:41"..why we are so unpopular.
0:23:41 > 0:23:43"I just want people to accept us the way we are, pigs and all.
0:23:43 > 0:23:46"Can you help? Love always, Tina." Bless her heart.
0:23:46 > 0:23:48Well, Tina, who am I to refuse a damsel in distress?
0:23:48 > 0:23:50So, I've brought in a couple of media moguls
0:23:50 > 0:23:53into the studio today to help boost and polish up the Dingles' image.
0:23:53 > 0:23:57'I remember the shirt. Notice the sheen on it.'
0:23:57 > 0:23:59And the bouff, look at the bouff, girls.
0:23:59 > 0:24:03- Oh, yeah.- It's not bad. Well, I've still got my hair, at least.
0:24:03 > 0:24:05So, save our bacon. And this would be...
0:24:05 > 0:24:06'How old am I here then? 24?'
0:24:06 > 0:24:09- You've got to be in your early 20s, haven't you?- Yeah.
0:24:09 > 0:24:13- Been around a while, haven't we? - You have, love. Not me.
0:24:13 > 0:24:15HE LAUGHS
0:24:17 > 0:24:19- This was Sunday morning hangover television.- Yeah.
0:24:19 > 0:24:21That was just for me presenting it, but...
0:24:21 > 0:24:24- Was it nerve-racking?- Yeah, it was. It was. It was very nerve-racking.
0:24:24 > 0:24:27This is the first national live television that I did.
0:24:27 > 0:24:29I did a bit of cable as a pundit before that,
0:24:29 > 0:24:30and then a couple of years later,
0:24:30 > 0:24:33the phone call came from Breakfast TV and that was it.
0:24:33 > 0:24:35I've never had a lie-in since.
0:24:37 > 0:24:42I mean, I suppose the practicality of actually, you know,
0:24:42 > 0:24:44getting up every morning at the crack of dawn,
0:24:44 > 0:24:46how difficult is it?
0:24:46 > 0:24:49Uh, do you know, it's not as bad as people...
0:24:49 > 0:24:51I am a bit of a morning person.
0:24:51 > 0:24:54I do like to be tucked up in my bed, the earlier the better.
0:24:54 > 0:24:57But, yeah, I've been woken up by the driver once
0:24:57 > 0:24:59- in the best part of 20 years, yeah. - Oh, right.- Yeah.
0:24:59 > 0:25:03And it's like anyone who oversleeps for work -
0:25:03 > 0:25:04it throws you completely.
0:25:04 > 0:25:08Mum, God bless her, she's all of 79 years of age, and very robust.
0:25:08 > 0:25:10- Can I touch some teak? - Yeah, of course you can.
0:25:10 > 0:25:14And it's funny, cos she'll ring up -
0:25:14 > 0:25:16and I know when the call is coming
0:25:16 > 0:25:18cos I'm feeling a little bit under the weather.
0:25:18 > 0:25:20And about sort of ten o'clock at night
0:25:20 > 0:25:22and Dad will have told her not to bother me...
0:25:22 > 0:25:23You know, "Leave the boy alone."
0:25:23 > 0:25:26..she'll ring up and say, "Everything all right?"
0:25:26 > 0:25:27I said, "Yeah. What?"
0:25:27 > 0:25:30"You looked a bit tired this morning."
0:25:30 > 0:25:32I said, "Mum, you're the only woman who still knows
0:25:32 > 0:25:37"what her 46-year-old son is wearing to school, effectively," you know.
0:25:37 > 0:25:38So, they enjoy that,
0:25:38 > 0:25:41because I'm still living with them at home, essentially,
0:25:41 > 0:25:43cos they can get up every morning...
0:25:43 > 0:25:44Mum's always like, "What's he said now?
0:25:44 > 0:25:46"Oh, he can't say that," you know.
0:25:46 > 0:25:48"Leave him alone, Dot. Leave him alone, Dot."
0:25:53 > 0:25:55So, Richard, what TV do you watch now?
0:25:55 > 0:25:58I don't watch a lot of television in real time any more.
0:25:58 > 0:26:02The only things I will sit down for are the big shiny floor shows,
0:26:02 > 0:26:05you know, like Strictly and the X Factor,
0:26:05 > 0:26:07so I tend to download a lot of television.
0:26:07 > 0:26:09- But, yeah, it's all those sort of... - What about Downton?
0:26:09 > 0:26:11Downton, I love Downton.
0:26:11 > 0:26:18Downton, I was on... The very first series...
0:26:18 > 0:26:21I was working below stairs.
0:26:21 > 0:26:23I was on set for the very first series,
0:26:23 > 0:26:26and that was quite extraordinary being part of that
0:26:26 > 0:26:27and getting to know the cast then
0:26:27 > 0:26:30and then obviously watching as the show took off,
0:26:30 > 0:26:32and it's impossible to overestimate
0:26:32 > 0:26:34the popularity of that show in America.
0:26:34 > 0:26:36- Oh, really?- It's extraordinary.
0:26:36 > 0:26:39And to be part of every series,
0:26:39 > 0:26:41to go down and visit the set every series
0:26:41 > 0:26:43and get to know the cast - Dan Stevens, Michelle Dockery...
0:26:43 > 0:26:46- So, you would be on interviewing the guests?- That's right.
0:26:46 > 0:26:49- And so you would be on that journey, if you like, with them...- Mm-hm.
0:26:49 > 0:26:52..cos they remember you coming to the very first episode.
0:26:52 > 0:26:54That's been a real privilege,
0:26:54 > 0:26:56- being part of that, albeit from a very, you know...- Yeah.
0:26:56 > 0:27:00Removed from it. That is extraordinary, that success.
0:27:00 > 0:27:03Now, we give our guests a chance to choose their theme tune
0:27:03 > 0:27:05- that we're going to play out. - Oh, right. OK. Right.
0:27:05 > 0:27:06So, what's it going to be?
0:27:06 > 0:27:12OK, well, obviously, Dallas is too much of an obvious one,
0:27:12 > 0:27:16and I hear that enough, but there is one particular theme
0:27:16 > 0:27:19which I guess was the Dallas of its day
0:27:19 > 0:27:22as far as we had over here.
0:27:22 > 0:27:25- Howards' Way. Do you remember Howards' Way?- Yeah.
0:27:25 > 0:27:26Used to love it.
0:27:26 > 0:27:28I was brought up in Hampshire, as I said,
0:27:28 > 0:27:29so the fact that this was down on the Solent
0:27:29 > 0:27:32and you could actually go and drink in the local pub
0:27:32 > 0:27:35and all that sort of business... Not at that age, clearly, but...
0:27:35 > 0:27:38- Shall we have it?- Shall we?- OK. - Let's go. Take it away.- My thanks...
0:27:38 > 0:27:40- I've got to do the bye bit!- Do you? LAUGHTER
0:27:40 > 0:27:42- Yeah!- Sorry.- It was going so well. - MUSIC: Howards' Way theme
0:27:42 > 0:27:46Thanks to Richard, and we're going to listen to Howards' Way.
0:27:46 > 0:27:49And I would like to say thank you for watching The TV That Made Me.
0:27:49 > 0:27:51- Can I say bye-bye?- Um...
0:27:51 > 0:27:53Bye-bye.
0:27:53 > 0:27:56Thank you. APPLAUSE
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