0:00:02 > 0:00:03TV - the magic box of delights.
0:00:03 > 0:00:06As kids, it showed us a million different worlds,
0:00:06 > 0:00:08all from our living room.
0:00:09 > 0:00:10This takes me right back.
0:00:10 > 0:00:12That's so embarrassing!
0:00:12 > 0:00:14I am genuinely shocked.
0:00:14 > 0:00:17Each day, I'm going to journey through the wonderful world of telly
0:00:17 > 0:00:20with one of our favourite celebrities...
0:00:20 > 0:00:22It's just so silly.
0:00:24 > 0:00:26I love it! Is it Mr Benn?
0:00:27 > 0:00:31- Shut it!- ..as they select the iconic TV moments...
0:00:31 > 0:00:33Oh, hello...
0:00:34 > 0:00:37..that tell us the stories of their lives.
0:00:37 > 0:00:39Oh, my gosh!
0:00:39 > 0:00:41- Cheers.- Some will make you laugh...
0:00:41 > 0:00:42HE GROWLS
0:00:42 > 0:00:44LAUGHTER
0:00:44 > 0:00:46..some will surprise...
0:00:46 > 0:00:47TOY SQUEAKS
0:00:47 > 0:00:49..many will inspire...
0:00:49 > 0:00:53- Ooh!- Look at this. Why wouldn't you want to watch this?
0:00:53 > 0:00:55..and others will move us.
0:00:55 > 0:00:58Seeing that there made it huge impact on me.
0:00:58 > 0:01:00Got a handkerchief?
0:01:00 > 0:01:03So, come watch with us as we rewind
0:01:03 > 0:01:07to the classic telly that shaped those
0:01:07 > 0:01:11wide-eyed youngsters into the much-loved stars they are today.
0:01:20 > 0:01:22Welcome to The TV That Made Me.
0:01:22 > 0:01:25My guest today is a well-loved TV presenter.
0:01:25 > 0:01:28Ladies and gentlemen, Kate Garraway.
0:01:28 > 0:01:31- Hello.- Hello, how are you?
0:01:31 > 0:01:34- Very well.- You look absolutely beautiful.
0:01:34 > 0:01:37- Thank you.- Welcome to my humble abode.
0:01:37 > 0:01:39- Look at this.- Come and sit yourself down.
0:01:39 > 0:01:40Nice little pink sofa.
0:01:40 > 0:01:44She's been waking up the nation on breakfast telly for years.
0:01:44 > 0:01:47- Hello.- With a radiant smile and ready wit.
0:01:47 > 0:01:51- Thank you very much.- In the midst of all the early starts,
0:01:51 > 0:01:55she's even managed to spare some time to slap on some sequins for
0:01:55 > 0:02:00a shimmy and a shake on Strictly, coming eighth in 2007.
0:02:00 > 0:02:02Amongst the TV that made her...
0:02:02 > 0:02:05The thrilling adventures of a finger puppet and his friends...
0:02:05 > 0:02:07"This isn't really me," says Fingermouse.
0:02:07 > 0:02:10..ground-breaking daily investigative journalism...
0:02:10 > 0:02:12I may well be arrested,
0:02:12 > 0:02:16because I look as if I may be committing an offence in the near future.
0:02:16 > 0:02:19..and a daytime magazine show that knew how to throw a party.
0:02:21 > 0:02:23I'm a massive television fan.
0:02:23 > 0:02:25I love watching the telly, I always have done.
0:02:25 > 0:02:29- And yeah, so I do love it. I love a bit of telly.- Yeah?
0:02:29 > 0:02:33Yeah. I should say my favourite thing is friends and family, but really,
0:02:33 > 0:02:34- it's watching telly.- Is it really?
0:02:34 > 0:02:38Yeah, and when I was little, my parents didn't really...
0:02:38 > 0:02:42I don't think they really approved of telly.
0:02:42 > 0:02:45There was always a feeling that radio was somehow better.
0:02:45 > 0:02:47Certainly, we never watched ITV.
0:02:47 > 0:02:49That was a bit spivvy.
0:02:49 > 0:02:53- Oh, really?- And we never watched breakfast television.
0:02:53 > 0:02:56So I'm obviously a huge disappointment to them in a lot of ways, really.
0:02:56 > 0:02:59Seeing as what happened next.
0:02:59 > 0:03:01Well, you talk about your childhood and what we're going to do,
0:03:01 > 0:03:05we're going to look back now, rewind the clock and look at a young Kate.
0:03:05 > 0:03:08- Here she is, Kate Garraway.- Oh.
0:03:08 > 0:03:13Born and raised in the quiet historic market town of Abingdon in Oxfordshire...
0:03:15 > 0:03:21Kate Garraway and her younger brother grew up in a happy home,
0:03:21 > 0:03:24with Dad a civil servant and Mum a teacher.
0:03:24 > 0:03:28She was a model pupil at school and budding musician at home.
0:03:28 > 0:03:31Practically a one-woman band.
0:03:31 > 0:03:34With a degree in English and Political History under her belt and
0:03:34 > 0:03:36journalism in her sights,
0:03:36 > 0:03:40she started out in radio before graduating to regional TV news.
0:03:42 > 0:03:44I was a very good girl.
0:03:44 > 0:03:46- Was you?- I was really good girl, yeah.
0:03:46 > 0:03:48I just talked a lot.
0:03:48 > 0:03:51I always got told off for talking, but other than that...
0:03:51 > 0:03:54I was one of those slightly annoying studious ones that tried really hard.
0:03:54 > 0:03:57Didn't necessarily achieve anything, but tried very hard at everything.
0:03:57 > 0:04:00Tried hard at musical instruments, tried hard at everything.
0:04:00 > 0:04:02You'd have hated me at school.
0:04:02 > 0:04:04No, didn't you play the clarinet?
0:04:04 > 0:04:06I played the clarinet, I played the violin...
0:04:06 > 0:04:07Well, it just so happens...
0:04:07 > 0:04:11- Oh, no!- No, I'm joking.- Honestly, I haven't touched it for years.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14The violin, the piano, the recorder...
0:04:14 > 0:04:16- Really?- Yes, I was like, a real joiner-inner.
0:04:16 > 0:04:20- And none of that you've kept up? - No, it's annoying.
0:04:20 > 0:04:23I sort of went off to uni and discovered drinking and boys, I think -
0:04:23 > 0:04:26and stopped playing the clarinet and the violin.
0:04:31 > 0:04:34What is the first TV programme that made a big impression
0:04:34 > 0:04:37on the lovely Kate Garraway?
0:04:39 > 0:04:42- It's Fingerbobs.- I remember it.
0:04:42 > 0:04:44I love a bit of Fingerbobs.
0:04:44 > 0:04:45Fingerbobs.
0:04:48 > 0:04:49# Yoffy lifts a finger... #
0:04:49 > 0:04:52Rick Jones as Yoffy.
0:04:52 > 0:04:53# And a mouse is there. #
0:04:54 > 0:04:57- Different era, isn't it? - Totally different era.
0:04:57 > 0:04:59# Puts his hands together... #
0:04:59 > 0:05:03Fingerbobs was created in 1972 for part of the schedule called
0:05:03 > 0:05:07Watch With Mother and was just 15 minutes long.
0:05:07 > 0:05:09Only 13 episodes were ever made.
0:05:09 > 0:05:13# And a tortoise head peeps out... #
0:05:13 > 0:05:15LAUGHTER
0:05:15 > 0:05:17So, this is something Kate Garraway really enjoyed?
0:05:17 > 0:05:21I really loved it. Loved Fingerbobs. I made all these things, obviously.
0:05:21 > 0:05:23Oh, really? You made them?
0:05:23 > 0:05:25- Oh, of course I do, yeah. - You made them.
0:05:25 > 0:05:27I made... Oh, my God.
0:05:27 > 0:05:30Hold on. There you go. There's yours.
0:05:30 > 0:05:32I made them especially for you.
0:05:32 > 0:05:34- OK.- So, put the glove on.
0:05:34 > 0:05:38You're going to be the bird and I'm going to be Fingerbob.
0:05:38 > 0:05:39It's a funny time, isn't it?
0:05:39 > 0:05:42Because you think of what our kids watch now,
0:05:42 > 0:05:46there isn't a single show that hasn't got CGI and everything.
0:05:46 > 0:05:50And yet, I was glued to a man in some rather effeminate white gloves,
0:05:50 > 0:05:54a ping pong ball and a bit of orange card. Something like that, wasn't it?
0:05:54 > 0:05:56Aw, we can do our own little show.
0:05:56 > 0:05:59There you go. Brian lifts a finger and a mouse scampers about.
0:05:59 > 0:06:01- Isn't it something like that? - Hello, you're Gulliver.
0:06:01 > 0:06:04- I'm Gulliver.- Hello, Gulliver.
0:06:04 > 0:06:06My name's Fingerbob.
0:06:06 > 0:06:10- Hi.- Give me a peck. - Oh!- There you go.
0:06:10 > 0:06:12It's going to be a thatched roof.
0:06:12 > 0:06:16That's what the straw is for.
0:06:16 > 0:06:18You see? That's brilliant.
0:06:18 > 0:06:20But I suppose there's a bit of effort gone into it.
0:06:20 > 0:06:24And now he's bringing some more straw. This could be a two-part series.
0:06:24 > 0:06:28- Here's another load. - So, it takes you back?
0:06:28 > 0:06:30It really takes me back, it really takes me back.
0:06:30 > 0:06:32And you know...
0:06:32 > 0:06:34Talk about being of its era
0:06:34 > 0:06:36because when you were really young, preschool,
0:06:36 > 0:06:38and when you had a sore throat or something,
0:06:38 > 0:06:42this was just like finding a diamond on an allotment or something.
0:06:42 > 0:06:45This was just amazing. It's brilliant and I like it.
0:06:45 > 0:06:47- It makes me feel cosy, just watching it.- Yeah.
0:06:47 > 0:06:50You'd sit down and watch TV as a family.
0:06:50 > 0:06:54Go into the kitchen to have your tea, go into the sitting room...
0:06:54 > 0:06:57So, when you were in the sitting room, were there snacks allowed?
0:06:57 > 0:06:59Were you allowed to have anything?
0:06:59 > 0:07:01- Not really.- No?
0:07:01 > 0:07:05No, not really. I don't know whether we were especially messy as kids.
0:07:05 > 0:07:10Sunday nights and Saturday nights you were allowed to have sandwiches in the lounge and everything,
0:07:10 > 0:07:15- but we didn't really do that. - Crumpets?- Crumpets, that was my favourite night.
0:07:15 > 0:07:18They'd bring it on Saturday night, we'd have crumpets,
0:07:18 > 0:07:21Duchess Of Duke Street and Starsky And Hutch.
0:07:21 > 0:07:22I'll get the crumpets.
0:07:22 > 0:07:24LAUGHTER
0:07:24 > 0:07:27I mean, can you ask more than that? Get me a crumpet.
0:07:27 > 0:07:29I have a crumpet.
0:07:29 > 0:07:32This is a big deal, because we weren't really allowed to eat
0:07:32 > 0:07:34food on our laps. Look at that!
0:07:34 > 0:07:37- Giving Kate a bit of crumpet! - I could be...
0:07:37 > 0:07:39LAUGHTER
0:07:39 > 0:07:41Warm crumpet, melted butter,
0:07:41 > 0:07:44life can't get better than that, can it?
0:07:44 > 0:07:47No, I think I'd like a little bit of jam on that, though.
0:07:47 > 0:07:50- No?- You see, I would never have dreamed of jam when I was little.
0:07:50 > 0:07:52This was enough for me.
0:07:52 > 0:07:54You and all your big expectations.
0:07:54 > 0:07:56Always pushing for more.
0:07:56 > 0:07:58And what would you be watching on a Saturday night?
0:07:58 > 0:08:01So, Saturday night... I love Saturday night.
0:08:01 > 0:08:04I still think Saturday night in front of the telly is just a great
0:08:04 > 0:08:10thing to do. And for me, the era I can remember, I must have been about 10 or 11,
0:08:10 > 0:08:12something like that - it was Duchess Of Duke Street.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15- Do you even remember Duchess Of Duke Street?- Yeah.
0:08:15 > 0:08:17- I do.- There was always a drama below stairs, wasn't there?
0:08:17 > 0:08:20And a party upstairs. There was always something going on.
0:08:20 > 0:08:23And then after it was Starsky And Hutch.
0:08:23 > 0:08:24And I would have this thing where
0:08:24 > 0:08:27I was convinced I was going on a date with David Soul - Hutch.
0:08:27 > 0:08:29So, I would,
0:08:29 > 0:08:33during the end of Duchess Of Duke Street, as the title rolled,
0:08:33 > 0:08:36race upstairs, put on my mum's peach nightie, which she's still got...
0:08:36 > 0:08:38Peach nightie, put on lipstick...
0:08:38 > 0:08:43- Your mum has still got that peach nightie?- I think she kept it for sentimental reasons,
0:08:43 > 0:08:45because there's so many pictures of me in this peach nightie.
0:08:45 > 0:08:49Peach nightie, bright red lipstick, which was hers - or orange red lipstick -
0:08:49 > 0:08:53come downstairs and say I was going on a date with Hutch,
0:08:53 > 0:08:56as the Starsky And Hutch titles rolled. And I couldn't really speak, I would say,
0:08:56 > 0:09:00"I'm going on a date with Hutch." And my dad would torment me by trying to make me speak,
0:09:00 > 0:09:03because I wouldn't want to ruin my lipstick. And I was obsessed with David Soul.
0:09:03 > 0:09:08I even made this felt purse and I cut a picture of him out of a box.
0:09:08 > 0:09:12I've still got it and I later interviewed David Soul when I was
0:09:12 > 0:09:15working at ITV and I showed him this and I think he was a little bit scared,
0:09:15 > 0:09:17if I'm honest.
0:09:17 > 0:09:19LAUGHTER
0:09:19 > 0:09:21I think he was like, "That's lovely.
0:09:21 > 0:09:23"Please take this woman away."
0:09:23 > 0:09:25LAUGHTER
0:09:25 > 0:09:27Yeah.
0:09:31 > 0:09:33Well, we're going to go onto your Must See TV now.
0:09:33 > 0:09:35- OK.- Have a little look at this.
0:09:35 > 0:09:37- Shall we have a look?- Yeah.
0:09:38 > 0:09:40What does it feel like to be alone,
0:09:40 > 0:09:43out of work and homeless in the big city?
0:09:43 > 0:09:45Nationwide, Kate.
0:09:45 > 0:09:48Nationwide, yeah.
0:09:48 > 0:09:50Following the national news,
0:09:50 > 0:09:54this magazine-style current affairs series ran every weekday for
0:09:54 > 0:09:58over 3,000 episodes from 1969.
0:09:58 > 0:09:59By becoming Tony Crabbe,
0:09:59 > 0:10:03I hope to find the answers to all questions by experiencing life
0:10:03 > 0:10:05in the gutter first-hand.
0:10:05 > 0:10:08- Wow.- Immersive journalism, it was then, wasn't it?
0:10:08 > 0:10:12It was. So, Nationwide - and we don't have anything like it,
0:10:12 > 0:10:16although The One Show, I guess, has that vibe about it, hasn't it?
0:10:16 > 0:10:18When I was little,
0:10:18 > 0:10:21my dad sat down and wanted to watch the Six O'clock News,
0:10:21 > 0:10:24because in those days, dads got home for six.
0:10:24 > 0:10:27So many dads don't - poor things, stuck in traffic, working late,
0:10:27 > 0:10:30working weird shifts. If your dad got home,
0:10:30 > 0:10:33he wanted to watch the Six O'clock News, which I found a bit boring.
0:10:33 > 0:10:35I didn't understand most of it.
0:10:35 > 0:10:38But then Nationwide came on afterwards and Nationwide,
0:10:38 > 0:10:39I just thought was extraordinary.
0:10:39 > 0:10:42Everything about me had to look right.
0:10:42 > 0:10:46BBC make-up girl Sula cut lumps out of my hair and made it look dirty.
0:10:46 > 0:10:49It had something funny, something clever,
0:10:49 > 0:10:51I think people forget that kind of journalism.
0:10:51 > 0:10:55That report was amazing. It's very common now for reporters to do that,
0:10:55 > 0:10:57to go and experience things for real.
0:10:57 > 0:11:00But no-one had done that before and he went and he lived on the streets
0:11:00 > 0:11:04and he showed a side of being homeless that, certainly, I'd never seen.
0:11:04 > 0:11:05Most people had never seen before.
0:11:05 > 0:11:09My dirty clothes actually make me look a suspicious person.
0:11:09 > 0:11:11Because I've got nowhere to go and nothing to do,
0:11:11 > 0:11:13I may well be arrested...
0:11:13 > 0:11:17He didn't make it romantic, as though all the homeless people were poor, fallen souls.
0:11:17 > 0:11:21He showed it as it was and you know, some of them were
0:11:21 > 0:11:24their own worst enemies,
0:11:24 > 0:11:27some of them are actually quite threatening and violent and it just
0:11:27 > 0:11:29revealed a whole world, in a way,
0:11:29 > 0:11:31that made sense to me and made me want to be a journalist.
0:11:31 > 0:11:34- Oh, really?- Made me want to be a journalist, yeah.
0:11:34 > 0:11:38I think it's fascinating and I think breakfast TV and a lot of
0:11:38 > 0:11:42news programmes now have learnt a lot from shows like Nationwide.
0:11:42 > 0:11:47I think we are trying to make things more welcoming to more people,
0:11:47 > 0:11:52rather than very posh, serious news like it used to be when I was little.
0:11:52 > 0:11:56Is it true that when you was little, you used to interview yourself?
0:11:56 > 0:11:59Yeah, when I was little, I had one of those reel-to-reel...
0:11:59 > 0:12:02- Do you remember those?- Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah.- And also,
0:12:02 > 0:12:05one of those square-box ones where you press play and record together.
0:12:05 > 0:12:08And I would record interviews with myself.
0:12:08 > 0:12:12Sometimes, I'd be characters of TV programmes and we still have the tape
0:12:12 > 0:12:17of me interviewing myself - me being both myself and Margaret Thatcher.
0:12:17 > 0:12:20Oh! And what age would you be?
0:12:20 > 0:12:24Well, I was really little. She was Education Secretary at the time. I obviously didn't really know that,
0:12:24 > 0:12:27I just knew that she'd taken away the milk in schools for kids
0:12:27 > 0:12:32and my mother was furious about it. I was delighted, because it was disgusting.
0:12:32 > 0:12:35But I knew this was a big scandal and children were apparently suffering.
0:12:35 > 0:12:37So I was interviewing her, saying, "How dare you?"
0:12:37 > 0:12:40And she was saying, "Some may argue that, actually,
0:12:40 > 0:12:42"it's good to get rid of milk."
0:12:42 > 0:12:44And I would answer again.
0:12:44 > 0:12:45We've still got it, so my mum was like,
0:12:45 > 0:12:48either you were going to be bonkers,
0:12:48 > 0:12:52or you were probably going to be an interviewer when you grew up! From that evidence.
0:12:52 > 0:12:56- Do you enjoy interviewing people? - Yeah. Don't you?- Oh, I do.
0:12:56 > 0:13:00- I find it interesting.- And I think talking to people is the most fun.
0:13:00 > 0:13:03I don't really have any proper hobbies, I just like talking to people,
0:13:03 > 0:13:06whether it's getting into a cab or sitting on a bus.
0:13:06 > 0:13:09I'm one of those weird people who says, Hi, how are you?"
0:13:09 > 0:13:13And starts talking to people and I think to get the chance to talk to
0:13:13 > 0:13:16people generally and also people with extraordinary stories to tell,
0:13:16 > 0:13:18who have done amazing things in life...
0:13:18 > 0:13:21- I mean, what a way to pay the mortgage.- Yeah.
0:13:21 > 0:13:24- It doesn't get any better than that, does it?- Yeah.
0:13:28 > 0:13:32Now, I believe, Kate, you've got a love of Pot Noodle.
0:13:32 > 0:13:34Well now, my parents...
0:13:34 > 0:13:37I didn't realise it, but my dad had two allotments at one point.
0:13:37 > 0:13:39He grew loads of vegetables.
0:13:39 > 0:13:42We had fresh, home-grown vegetables all our life.
0:13:42 > 0:13:49Amazing - and then, one day, my brother and I saw an advert for Pot Noodle.
0:13:49 > 0:13:51Should be here in four minutes.
0:13:51 > 0:13:53Don't fuss, Mum. You know what I like.
0:13:53 > 0:13:56Launched by Golden Wonder in 1977,
0:13:56 > 0:14:01its adverts focused on the convenience and simplicity of this quick, hot snack.
0:14:01 > 0:14:05Tender pasta noodles with vegetables and soya pieces in a rich, savoury sauce.
0:14:05 > 0:14:08Marketed as the Instant Nibble,
0:14:08 > 0:14:12the ads were designed to appeal to everyone, whether at work, on the sofa,
0:14:12 > 0:14:14or even on the hoof.
0:14:14 > 0:14:17Now in new sweet-and-sour, and cheese and tomato flavours.
0:14:17 > 0:14:20A snack in a pot...
0:14:20 > 0:14:25- Makes sense...- Pour water on, open a sachet...- Bring it on.- ..all manner of delights.
0:14:25 > 0:14:27Never tasted such a thing, but saw the advert.
0:14:27 > 0:14:30And on Christmas Eve one year, my mum, out of exasperation said,
0:14:30 > 0:14:33"You can have anything you want to eat. What do you fancy eating?"
0:14:33 > 0:14:36And we both said, "Pot Noodle."
0:14:36 > 0:14:39I think it literally broke my parents' heart.
0:14:39 > 0:14:42If I said, you know, "I'm about to run away with the circus,"
0:14:42 > 0:14:44she would've been less distressed.
0:14:44 > 0:14:48- You're easily pleased. - I know!- Aren't you?
0:14:48 > 0:14:52"I am going to take you out on a date, let's go and have a Pot Noodle."
0:14:52 > 0:14:54- LAUGHTER - What's wrong with that?
0:14:59 > 0:15:02This is your comedy hero,
0:15:02 > 0:15:05a lady who used to give you a lot of belly laughs.
0:15:05 > 0:15:08On the 28th of January...
0:15:08 > 0:15:12Mr and Mrs Robinson from Harrow on the Weald...
0:15:12 > 0:15:15- Pamela Stephenson.- Pamela Stephenson, yeah. - From Not The 9 O'Clock News.
0:15:15 > 0:15:16Yeah, I know exactly where...
0:15:16 > 0:15:19But then, the trouble started...
0:15:19 > 0:15:22On February the 19th, the Robinsons' seven-year-old son, George,
0:15:22 > 0:15:26got an attack of appendicitis had to be rushed to hospital.
0:15:26 > 0:15:30They rang the electricity board, who responded...
0:15:30 > 0:15:34"This has got nothing to do with us."
0:15:34 > 0:15:37Joining Pamela Stephenson in the hit comedy sketch show,
0:15:37 > 0:15:42Not The 9 O'Clock News, was Rowan Atkinson, Griff Rhys Jones and Mel Smith.
0:15:42 > 0:15:46I mean, Not The 9 O'Clock News was a really great show.
0:15:46 > 0:15:47And she was brilliant, wasn't she?
0:15:47 > 0:15:51Cos you know, I guess we still have a little bit of that trouble now where
0:15:51 > 0:15:54people don't think women can be funny.
0:15:54 > 0:15:57- And she came along and I think, blew all that out of the water.- Yeah.
0:15:57 > 0:16:00With a satirical take on current affairs,
0:16:00 > 0:16:05the series also lampooned popular TV shows and personalities.
0:16:05 > 0:16:07Naturally upset by this,
0:16:07 > 0:16:10Mr and Mrs Robinson had a quarrel which ended in Mr Robinson savagely
0:16:10 > 0:16:13pushing his wife through a plate-glass window.
0:16:13 > 0:16:17On both occasions, they contacted the electricity board,
0:16:17 > 0:16:21and on both occasions, they were told...
0:16:21 > 0:16:24"I'm sorry, this really has got nothing to do with us."
0:16:24 > 0:16:27I think she was definitely one of the first female artists that I was
0:16:27 > 0:16:32aware of, to come along and to have a woman being funny and holding her own
0:16:32 > 0:16:36and not just playing a giggly woman,
0:16:36 > 0:16:40but absolutely intrinsic to the comedy and funny in her own right.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42Definitely, I think she's brilliant.
0:16:46 > 0:16:49Kate, now it's a little bit of comfort television for you.
0:16:49 > 0:16:51Oh, snugly viewing.
0:16:51 > 0:16:55Yet, it's something that would put an arm around you when you were at home
0:16:55 > 0:16:57and not feeling 100%, you know?
0:16:57 > 0:16:59Aw, OK, let's have a look.
0:16:59 > 0:17:02- It's Pebble Mill.- Pebble Mill?
0:17:02 > 0:17:05- Pebble Mill At One.- Oh, I love Pebble Mill!
0:17:07 > 0:17:11Starting in 1972, and broadcasting live at lunchtime
0:17:11 > 0:17:14from the foyer of Birmingham's Pebble Mill,
0:17:14 > 0:17:17it was one of the pioneers of daytime television.
0:17:22 > 0:17:24What was it you liked about it?
0:17:24 > 0:17:25It's a funny thing, isn't it...?
0:17:25 > 0:17:27..thinking why.
0:17:27 > 0:17:30Because I was quite young when I used to watch it.
0:17:30 > 0:17:34It was stuff about how to get rid of a baby belly after you've given birth.
0:17:34 > 0:17:39I'd be like this, absolutely glued - "Wow, that's amazing!"
0:17:39 > 0:17:43And it would be stuff really aimed for mums and housewives, of course.
0:17:43 > 0:17:44- And students.- And students.
0:17:44 > 0:17:47I think students must have watched bewildered, like me,
0:17:47 > 0:17:49but there wasn't anything else on,
0:17:49 > 0:17:52so you watched it and loved it and it was snugly and the presenters made
0:17:52 > 0:17:55- you feel comfortable.- This, I think, is a lovely clip,
0:17:55 > 0:17:57because if you watch it,
0:17:57 > 0:18:01you realise that the presenters are actually slightly inebriated -
0:18:01 > 0:18:03and this is a show just before Christmas.
0:18:03 > 0:18:06- OK.- I'm just about finished on my naughty sporty..
0:18:06 > 0:18:09- Naughty sporty?!- Naughty sporty, yeah, which is actually...
0:18:09 > 0:18:14I mean, it's a glass with a legwarmer on it and it's a black and leather lace garter
0:18:14 > 0:18:16seductively tied around the top.
0:18:16 > 0:18:21Alcohol and a live studio programme is really a recipe for disaster, isn't it?
0:18:21 > 0:18:25- It's not good, is it? - Oh, now there's a comb over.
0:18:25 > 0:18:28Dynamite band, yeah, coming on.
0:18:28 > 0:18:31She's had a couple of cocktails, hasn't she?
0:18:31 > 0:18:33# Now I'm the king of the swingers, oh
0:18:33 > 0:18:35# The jungle VIP... #
0:18:35 > 0:18:37Oh, dear!
0:18:38 > 0:18:41- You used to love this. - I loved it!
0:18:41 > 0:18:42# I want to be like you-ooh-ooh... #
0:18:42 > 0:18:44What's he wearing?
0:18:44 > 0:18:48# I want to walk like you, talk like you, dooby-doo... #
0:18:48 > 0:18:50That is an office party
0:18:50 > 0:18:53that everyone is going to regret.
0:18:53 > 0:18:55You see, this is why students loved it,
0:18:55 > 0:18:59because it's just sort of surreal, isn't it?
0:19:02 > 0:19:04It's like...
0:19:04 > 0:19:05car-crash TV.
0:19:07 > 0:19:09Regular hosts for the first few years of Pebble Mill
0:19:09 > 0:19:13were Donny MacLeod, Bob Langley and Marian Foster.
0:19:13 > 0:19:16Later, they were joined by Jan Leeming and David Seymour.
0:19:16 > 0:19:19And when he wasn't making saucy cocktails,
0:19:19 > 0:19:23regular strands included Jeff Banks' fashion and style tips.
0:19:23 > 0:19:25By 1991, Alan Titchmarsh was at the helm
0:19:25 > 0:19:31and the series ran for a further five years.
0:19:31 > 0:19:34I mean, would you like to have worked on Pebble Mill At One?
0:19:34 > 0:19:36I'd love to have worked on Pebble Mill At One.
0:19:36 > 0:19:41Let's be honest, it's not a million miles from shows I've done since on breakfast TV.
0:19:41 > 0:19:44It's that mixture of a bit of fun, a bit of serious,
0:19:44 > 0:19:48a bit of comfy, a bit of hard news.
0:19:48 > 0:19:51It's that kind of thing, isn't it? Maybe less hard news, but...
0:19:51 > 0:19:54You know, it's essentially magazine shows.
0:19:54 > 0:19:57I mean, out of all those genres, what you've just said,
0:19:57 > 0:19:59which one do you aspire to?
0:19:59 > 0:20:02Which one do you enjoy the most?
0:20:02 > 0:20:05Well, I think, weirdly enough, it's the mixture that I like.
0:20:05 > 0:20:09I don't think there's anywhere else but in breakfast TV generally,
0:20:09 > 0:20:11where you get the chance to...
0:20:11 > 0:20:16There isn't, is there? When you sit down and you can speak to
0:20:16 > 0:20:18a Hollywood star about what they do,
0:20:18 > 0:20:23a mum who has tragically lost their child through something ghastly and
0:20:23 > 0:20:25is fighting for justice...
0:20:25 > 0:20:29Give a politician a good talking to about something that you care
0:20:29 > 0:20:31about and your peers care about and...
0:20:31 > 0:20:34I just don't think there's anywhere else that you get the chance to do that.
0:20:34 > 0:20:37Have you got a bit of that straight talking in you?
0:20:37 > 0:20:40- I think you have.- I think it probably have a little bit.
0:20:40 > 0:20:42I think I have, yeah. I do do a lot of research.
0:20:42 > 0:20:46I learned very early on that actually, you've got to be...
0:20:46 > 0:20:49You've got to do your homework.
0:20:49 > 0:20:53You can't know everything and politicians will always bamboozle you with figures,
0:20:53 > 0:20:57but if you've done a lot of research and you know your stuff,
0:20:57 > 0:21:00and if you don't understand what they're saying, then it's fine to think,
0:21:00 > 0:21:03"If I've spent a day researching this and I'm still confused by this,"
0:21:03 > 0:21:05then no-one at home has got a chance,
0:21:05 > 0:21:08because they've got other priorities in their life other than spending a
0:21:08 > 0:21:10day researching what a politician has to say.
0:21:10 > 0:21:13So, I do feel like I have got a bit of that, yeah.
0:21:13 > 0:21:16Politicians shouldn't expect people to spend hours and hours and hours
0:21:16 > 0:21:18studying them to understand them.
0:21:18 > 0:21:20It's their job to be clear to us.
0:21:22 > 0:21:27Watching TV over our cereal in the morning is a relatively new idea.
0:21:27 > 0:21:31When Breakfast Time launched on the BBC in 1983 with Selina Scott and
0:21:31 > 0:21:34Frank Bough, it made TV history.
0:21:34 > 0:21:36Broadcasting on 17 January,
0:21:36 > 0:21:39two weeks before ITV's new programme, TV-am.
0:21:42 > 0:21:44It was ground-breaking in its informal style.
0:21:44 > 0:21:46There were red sofas,
0:21:46 > 0:21:50steaming coffee cups and fun features like Russell Grant's astrology,
0:21:50 > 0:21:53as well as keep fit with the Green Goddess, Diana Moran.
0:21:55 > 0:22:00Meanwhile, over on ITV, a relatively unknown Anne Diamond
0:22:00 > 0:22:02was partnered with Nick Owen to revive
0:22:02 > 0:22:05TV-am's flagging viewing figures.
0:22:05 > 0:22:09An instant hit, Anne and Nick proved to be a winning formula,
0:22:09 > 0:22:11with just a little help from Roland Rat.
0:22:11 > 0:22:14Yeah, rat fans!
0:22:14 > 0:22:18It was a partnership so successful that Anne and Nick were poached
0:22:18 > 0:22:20by the BBC in 1992.
0:22:28 > 0:22:32So, Kate - how did you start in television?
0:22:32 > 0:22:35How did I start in television? Well, I...
0:22:35 > 0:22:36- Look.- Ooh, hello!
0:22:38 > 0:22:40How old would you have been then?
0:22:40 > 0:22:42I had lot of hair.
0:22:42 > 0:22:47Um... I was, I think, about 28 then.
0:22:47 > 0:22:51- Oh, really?- When I first left college, I was desperate to be a journalist,
0:22:51 > 0:22:54but they didn't have the courses like they do now.
0:22:54 > 0:22:58I couldn't really afford to pay myself to go on a course.
0:22:58 > 0:23:00So, I was working doing all sorts of things,
0:23:00 > 0:23:05including working for a law firm and a station opened up called Fox FM
0:23:05 > 0:23:10in Oxford and I went along and volunteered on Saturdays and Sundays to work
0:23:10 > 0:23:14for them for free. And then I managed to get a job working for
0:23:14 > 0:23:17Radio Oxford as a travel person.
0:23:17 > 0:23:21I then worked my way from there and ITV News in those days had a scheme,
0:23:21 > 0:23:24where they trained two people a year.
0:23:24 > 0:23:28And then, I went to train with them and I went to Central News and then Meridian.
0:23:28 > 0:23:30And you then moved from there to GMTV?
0:23:30 > 0:23:36So... No, then I was working for Meridian and a brand-new idea, 24-hour news,
0:23:36 > 0:23:40came along. BBC News 24, as it was called then,
0:23:40 > 0:23:44launched, and I was there as one of the launch presenters.
0:23:44 > 0:23:48It was quite rocky in those days.
0:23:48 > 0:23:52It was the early stages of robotics and automation and cameras used to
0:23:52 > 0:23:56freeze and there was no people, there were no camera people around,
0:23:56 > 0:24:01so you just have to sort of lean into shot and just slide along and carry
0:24:01 > 0:24:05on reading. It wasn't good. Things went horribly wrong a lot but it was
0:24:05 > 0:24:07a brilliant training ground.
0:24:07 > 0:24:09And then, I went to Sky News.
0:24:09 > 0:24:11How did you then move on to GMTV?
0:24:11 > 0:24:15GMTV... Eamonn Holmes and Fiona Phillips, brilliant presenters,
0:24:15 > 0:24:17decided they wanted a shorter week.
0:24:17 > 0:24:21Why wouldn't you? So luckily, I started presenting on Fridays,
0:24:21 > 0:24:24so they could nip off early for the weekend and it just went from there.
0:24:24 > 0:24:27Ah. Well, we've got a clip now,
0:24:27 > 0:24:28of your first day at GMTV.
0:24:28 > 0:24:32Oh, my God! This is going to be terrible.
0:24:32 > 0:24:34I don't think I've watched this back.
0:24:34 > 0:24:37I think I'd have been too scared to watch it back at the time.
0:24:37 > 0:24:42- Kate Garraway, who's a new face to our...- Hello!- ..GMTV happy family.
0:24:42 > 0:24:44'I was really nervous.'
0:24:44 > 0:24:47- It's good to be here.- You won't be, by the end of the week.
0:24:47 > 0:24:50Bless me. So young, so young.
0:24:50 > 0:24:52So sweet, so innocent.
0:24:52 > 0:24:53..On the programme this morning?
0:24:53 > 0:24:57Yeah, 5,000 children need adopting in this country right now.
0:24:57 > 0:25:00Find out how you might be able to help, in 15 minutes.
0:25:00 > 0:25:03Following in the footsteps of Anne Diamond,
0:25:03 > 0:25:06Kate joined GMTV in 2000 with her first show alongside the established
0:25:06 > 0:25:09breakfast legend Eamonn Holmes.
0:25:09 > 0:25:13..only to be attacked by the very people they are trying to help.
0:25:13 > 0:25:15- A report on that.- 'What was it like, working with Eamonn?'
0:25:15 > 0:25:17He is extraordinary, Eamonn Holmes.
0:25:17 > 0:25:20- Oh, he is.- He's a great person to sit alongside,
0:25:20 > 0:25:23cos he teaches you everything you need to know.
0:25:23 > 0:25:28What is the art of being a great interviewer/journalist?
0:25:28 > 0:25:31I think, just listen what people have to say,
0:25:31 > 0:25:34because I think everyone's got a great story to tell.
0:25:34 > 0:25:36That's enough about that, let me carry on.
0:25:36 > 0:25:38No, I'm joking. LAUGHTER
0:25:38 > 0:25:40No, I think it is, it's imperative, isn't it?
0:25:40 > 0:25:42It is, isn't it? It's actually listening,
0:25:42 > 0:25:45because so many people just ask a question and when the person has
0:25:45 > 0:25:48answered, just ask another question anything, hang on a minute,
0:25:48 > 0:25:50you weren't listening to word they said.
0:25:50 > 0:25:52- That's what I find, yeah. - It is tough.
0:25:52 > 0:25:55It's a lot tougher than you think, ladies and gentlemen, sitting here,
0:25:55 > 0:25:58doing interviews. Let me tell you. I make it look easy!
0:26:03 > 0:26:05So, what do you watch these days on TV?
0:26:05 > 0:26:08I'm still a news addict.
0:26:08 > 0:26:11I still love my rolling news,
0:26:11 > 0:26:15I still always have a bit of rolling news on the TV.
0:26:15 > 0:26:19- I love Modern Family. Do you watch Modern Family?- Yeah.- Very funny, isn't it?- Very good.
0:26:19 > 0:26:21I've been getting into The Man In The High Castle.
0:26:21 > 0:26:24- Have you seen that? - No, I haven't, no.
0:26:24 > 0:26:26It's brilliant. It's if Germany won the war.
0:26:26 > 0:26:28That's right, yeah.
0:26:28 > 0:26:30That's good, you should try that one.
0:26:30 > 0:26:34I love all that and big dramas - I love all the big American dramas.
0:26:34 > 0:26:36Yeah, wonderful.
0:26:36 > 0:26:39- I love telly.- Would you have liked to have been an actress?
0:26:39 > 0:26:42An actress...? That's a good question.
0:26:42 > 0:26:45I don't know. I...
0:26:45 > 0:26:49I don't think I would have been a very good actress, actually.
0:26:49 > 0:26:55But don't you think being a journalist and being an interviewer
0:26:55 > 0:26:58requires an amount of acting?
0:26:58 > 0:27:01Well, I don't know, really.
0:27:01 > 0:27:04Does it? Or does is it actually demand the opposite -
0:27:04 > 0:27:07that you just stay yourself and concentrate on being yourself in chaos?
0:27:07 > 0:27:09I don't know. I'm not sure that it is the same, acting.
0:27:09 > 0:27:12Is it? Do you think it is? You're a performer though, aren't you?
0:27:12 > 0:27:14I'm an entertainer, yeah.
0:27:14 > 0:27:17- That's my job.- So, you're an entertainer, you're a performer.
0:27:17 > 0:27:19You've got that in you, whereas I...
0:27:19 > 0:27:21- But I need a crowd.- Do you? - I need an audience.
0:27:21 > 0:27:23What I like is that you are now interviewing me.
0:27:23 > 0:27:25LAUGHTER
0:27:25 > 0:27:29You see? This is my show and on my show
0:27:29 > 0:27:33we let our guest choose the theme tune for us to play out on.
0:27:33 > 0:27:35OK. Oh...
0:27:35 > 0:27:39- We'd love you to pick something. - So many theme tunes. I think it's going to have to be Nationwide,
0:27:39 > 0:27:43just because that was such a big show when I was little, that I think
0:27:43 > 0:27:47decided what I ended up doing for a living and probably the sort of person
0:27:47 > 0:27:51I am, actually. So yeah, it's got to be Nationwide, I think.
0:27:51 > 0:27:55Well, the sort of person you are is very beautiful, very glamorous and very dear.
0:27:55 > 0:27:58- Oh, bless you.- And thank you very much for being on.
0:27:58 > 0:28:02- Thank you. So nice to see you.- And you too. So, my thanks to Kate
0:28:02 > 0:28:05and my thanks to you for watching The TV That Made Me.
0:28:05 > 0:28:07- We'll see you next time. Bye-bye. - Thank you.
0:28:07 > 0:28:09MUSIC: NATIONWIDE THEME