0:00:02 > 0:00:03TV - the magic box of delights.
0:00:03 > 0:00:07As kids, it showed us a million different worlds,
0:00:07 > 0:00:08all from our living room.
0:00:09 > 0:00:10So funny!
0:00:10 > 0:00:12That was state-of-the-art.
0:00:12 > 0:00:13Ah!
0:00:13 > 0:00:14I loved this.
0:00:15 > 0:00:17'Each day, I'm going to journey
0:00:17 > 0:00:19'through the wonderful world of telly...'
0:00:19 > 0:00:20Cheers.
0:00:20 > 0:00:22'..with one of our favourite celebrities...'
0:00:22 > 0:00:23We're going into space.
0:00:23 > 0:00:24It's just so silly.
0:00:24 > 0:00:25Oh, no!
0:00:27 > 0:00:28Yeah!
0:00:28 > 0:00:31'..as they select the iconic TV moments...'
0:00:32 > 0:00:34My God, this is the scene!
0:00:34 > 0:00:35Oh, dear!
0:00:35 > 0:00:37'..that tell us the stories of their lives.'
0:00:39 > 0:00:40I absolutely adored this.
0:00:40 > 0:00:41'Some will make you laugh.'
0:00:41 > 0:00:43SHE LAUGHS
0:00:43 > 0:00:44Don't watch the telly, Esther, watch me!
0:00:44 > 0:00:47'Some will surprise.'
0:00:47 > 0:00:49No way! Where did you find this?!
0:00:50 > 0:00:51'Many will inspire.'
0:00:51 > 0:00:55It used to transport us to places that we could only dream about.
0:00:55 > 0:00:57'And others will move us.'
0:00:57 > 0:00:58I am emotional now.
0:00:58 > 0:01:01Today, we look even more deeply.
0:01:01 > 0:01:02Why wouldn't you want to watch this?
0:01:02 > 0:01:06So come and watch with us as we rewind to the classic telly
0:01:06 > 0:01:09that helped shape those wide-eyed youngsters
0:01:09 > 0:01:11into the much-loved stars they are today.
0:01:20 > 0:01:22Welcome to The TV That Made Me.
0:01:22 > 0:01:23My guest today
0:01:23 > 0:01:26is a multi-award-winning sports presenter.
0:01:26 > 0:01:29It's the lovely Hazel Irvine. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:01:29 > 0:01:31Listen to that cheer. They like you.
0:01:31 > 0:01:32- How lovely to see you.- Welcome.
0:01:32 > 0:01:37Hazel Irvine guided us through the London Olympics opening ceremony,
0:01:37 > 0:01:40an event watched by over 27 million people.
0:01:40 > 0:01:43She was the youngest-ever presenter of Grandstand,
0:01:43 > 0:01:46and the first female anchor at a men's golf major.
0:01:47 > 0:01:50The TV that made Hazel includes...
0:01:50 > 0:01:53a historic moment from a golfing great,
0:01:53 > 0:01:56a show that inspired her love of travel and languages...
0:01:57 > 0:02:00..and a Doctor who scared the young Hazel so much
0:02:00 > 0:02:02she hid behind the settee.
0:02:02 > 0:02:04We mustn't let them touch us, must we? No.
0:02:04 > 0:02:05How do we get out of here?
0:02:05 > 0:02:07Before we go any further...
0:02:07 > 0:02:09AS A COMMENTATOR: Yes, I'm here with Hazel
0:02:09 > 0:02:12and it's a wonderful honour for me to be chatting to you,
0:02:12 > 0:02:15sports broadcaster extraordinaire.
0:02:15 > 0:02:17How does it feel to be on the show with me, Brian Conley?
0:02:17 > 0:02:19It's fantastic, Brian.
0:02:19 > 0:02:21Look at that. Goodness, yes.
0:02:21 > 0:02:22That's much better.
0:02:22 > 0:02:24I've always thought with these lip microphones,
0:02:24 > 0:02:26it was not a great aid for television, was it?
0:02:26 > 0:02:28- No.- You couldn't see half the face. But there you go.
0:02:28 > 0:02:31These are still the things that broadcast commentators use.
0:02:31 > 0:02:33When they commentate on the football?
0:02:33 > 0:02:35Lip microphones, they're called. Yeah, yeah.
0:02:35 > 0:02:37- Really?- Major events, we still use them, yeah.
0:02:37 > 0:02:38- Yeah.- Amazing, isn't it?
0:02:38 > 0:02:40Oh, yeah, settle back.
0:02:40 > 0:02:42- Yes, I will.- Relax. Enjoy.
0:02:42 > 0:02:44Are you looking forward to it, a trip down memory lane?
0:02:44 > 0:02:46I'm looking forward to it because some of the...
0:02:46 > 0:02:49Some of the programmes I'm looking forward to seeing again
0:02:49 > 0:02:51because I won't have seen them since I was a kid
0:02:51 > 0:02:54and it's incredible how powerful these things were
0:02:54 > 0:02:57when you were a child and how much they've kind of influenced you
0:02:57 > 0:02:59as you grow up and I don't think you realise it
0:02:59 > 0:03:00until you start to look back a bit
0:03:00 > 0:03:03and you see what you were like then and what you're like now.
0:03:03 > 0:03:05It's quite frightening, actually.
0:03:05 > 0:03:07Did you watch much telly as a child?
0:03:07 > 0:03:08Er... Was you allowed to?
0:03:08 > 0:03:11We were allowed to watch some television, yeah, um...
0:03:11 > 0:03:16but we had... We had a little, tiny, portable television set.
0:03:16 > 0:03:19- What, in the lounge?- In the lounge. It was no bigger than, I think,
0:03:19 > 0:03:22maybe about 15 inches by 15 inches, really.
0:03:22 > 0:03:24And there are these massive things now that take up whole walls.
0:03:24 > 0:03:27Oh, yeah. It takes up a whole lounge.
0:03:27 > 0:03:2965 inch - there it is.
0:03:29 > 0:03:31Yeah, so that was what we used to watch.
0:03:31 > 0:03:32- Aw!- Yeah.
0:03:32 > 0:03:35Well, today, we're going to watch a selection of classic TV shows
0:03:35 > 0:03:39but, before we do, let's have a little look at a young Hazel.
0:03:39 > 0:03:40Ooh!
0:03:43 > 0:03:46Hazel was born in St Andrews but grew up in Cardross,
0:03:46 > 0:03:50just west of Glasgow, with her mum, Nora, a ceramic artist,
0:03:50 > 0:03:52and her dad, Bill, a lecturer.
0:03:54 > 0:03:56She attended St Andrews University,
0:03:56 > 0:04:00and graduated with an art history degree.
0:04:00 > 0:04:03Her broadcasting career kicked off in the mid-'80s
0:04:03 > 0:04:05at a local Glasgow radio station,
0:04:05 > 0:04:10before she joined ITV to cover the 1988 Olympics in Seoul.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14She started at the BBC a few years later,
0:04:14 > 0:04:18and eventually took over David Vine's Ski Sunday duties,
0:04:18 > 0:04:22establishing herself as one of BBC Sport's main presenters.
0:04:23 > 0:04:26She's brought us golf, snooker, athletics
0:04:26 > 0:04:28and both Winter and Summer Olympics.
0:04:28 > 0:04:31And most recently, she returned to her homeland
0:04:31 > 0:04:34for Glasgow's 2014 Commonwealth Games.
0:04:36 > 0:04:39Does it take you back to... Just a different time, obviously?
0:04:39 > 0:04:41Yeah. It's the hair, isn't it? You always...
0:04:41 > 0:04:44It's the hair that always you think, "Oh, no, what was I doing?"
0:04:44 > 0:04:47But I'm a sort of child of the '80s in terms of my fashion sense,
0:04:47 > 0:04:49with the big shoulders and the feathery haircut
0:04:49 > 0:04:51and all that sort of stuff,
0:04:51 > 0:04:53and Dallas and Dynasty, power shoulder pads.
0:04:53 > 0:04:56Was you a big fan of Dallas and Dynasty?
0:04:56 > 0:04:59- Um, yes.- Really? - Particularly at university.
0:04:59 > 0:05:01We used to have these daft Dallas parties,
0:05:01 > 0:05:05where you had to choose a character on a Friday night,
0:05:05 > 0:05:07every time that they came on...
0:05:07 > 0:05:09This was student days, ladies and gentlemen.
0:05:09 > 0:05:11It was a different time. You would have a little sip
0:05:11 > 0:05:13of whatever you were sipping at the time.
0:05:13 > 0:05:15Oh, it was a drinking game?
0:05:15 > 0:05:17Well, it was in effect a drinking game, yes.
0:05:17 > 0:05:19So if you were Sue Ellen, you were stuffed.
0:05:19 > 0:05:21LAUGHTER
0:05:28 > 0:05:31I want to start with your earliest TV memory now, Hazel.
0:05:31 > 0:05:35This is a huge sporting event that shaped your whole life -
0:05:35 > 0:05:38the 1972 Olympics.
0:05:39 > 0:05:42- There he is.- The man himself.
0:05:42 > 0:05:43This is, of course, Mark Spitz.
0:05:43 > 0:05:46Mark Spitz - the moustachioed wonder kid.
0:05:46 > 0:05:47Look at him.
0:05:47 > 0:05:50Look at the Stars and Stripes trunks.
0:05:50 > 0:05:55Just this fantastic tall, lean, fit guy.
0:05:55 > 0:05:57He even had a concave stomach.
0:05:57 > 0:06:01And I was seven and he was probably the man that shaped...
0:06:02 > 0:06:05..where I am today in terms of my love of sport.
0:06:05 > 0:06:08Mark Spitz became an Olympic legend at the Munich Games,
0:06:08 > 0:06:12winning a then world-record seven gold medals.
0:06:12 > 0:06:14This is the butterfly.
0:06:14 > 0:06:16- Now, this is an absolute killer race.- Yeah.
0:06:16 > 0:06:19He was a master at this particular stroke, but he was so elegant.
0:06:19 > 0:06:20- Leaps and bounds.- Elegant.
0:06:22 > 0:06:25Not only did Spitz win seven golds,
0:06:25 > 0:06:29he also set a new world record time in each event.
0:06:29 > 0:06:32I remember being absolutely enchanted
0:06:32 > 0:06:36with the actual achievement of seven gold medals. Seven!
0:06:36 > 0:06:38Never been done. And it just captured my imagination.
0:06:38 > 0:06:41I remember going off to some of my little clubs and things -
0:06:41 > 0:06:43the Brownies and things after school -
0:06:43 > 0:06:46and everybody talking about Mark Spitz and the Olympics.
0:06:46 > 0:06:47I had a sticker book,
0:06:47 > 0:06:50and it had all the little logos of all the different sports
0:06:50 > 0:06:52and I was fascinated by everything,
0:06:52 > 0:06:54from swimming to Greco-Roman wrestling,
0:06:54 > 0:06:56and that was it for me.
0:06:56 > 0:06:59I wanted to be an athlete.
0:06:59 > 0:07:01I wanted something to do with the Olympics.
0:07:01 > 0:07:03It absolutely captivated me.
0:07:03 > 0:07:05I'm going to surprise you.
0:07:05 > 0:07:06You're talking about a sticker book.
0:07:06 > 0:07:08Oh, God! This is it!
0:07:08 > 0:07:09- Yeah?- How did you get hold of this?
0:07:09 > 0:07:12- There you go. Have a little look. - Yes, this is... It is!
0:07:12 > 0:07:14- It's the same one!- Yeah.
0:07:16 > 0:07:17It is the same one and it had...
0:07:17 > 0:07:19- Yes.- And...
0:07:19 > 0:07:21we've got the stickers to go in there.
0:07:21 > 0:07:23- I can't believe you've sourced that! - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:07:23 > 0:07:26That is extraordinary. Thank you very, very much.
0:07:26 > 0:07:29- That's yours.- My love of the history of the Olympic Games
0:07:29 > 0:07:32was born in this book and with this man.
0:07:32 > 0:07:36Whilst athletes like Mark Spitz were excelling,
0:07:36 > 0:07:39the Games were marred by a terrorist atrocity,
0:07:39 > 0:07:40when Black September militants
0:07:40 > 0:07:44held members of the Israeli Olympic team hostage.
0:07:44 > 0:07:48David Coleman was anchoring the Olympic coverage at the time
0:07:48 > 0:07:50and showed true broadcasting mettle
0:07:50 > 0:07:53throughout a most horrendous situation.
0:07:53 > 0:07:55An eyewitness says, in the village,
0:07:55 > 0:07:58that all the hostages had their hands tied.
0:07:58 > 0:08:00They flew in the first two helicopters
0:08:00 > 0:08:03to this military airfield at Furstenfeld,
0:08:03 > 0:08:05which is about 20 miles west of Munich,
0:08:05 > 0:08:09and then it appears that the shooting started.
0:08:09 > 0:08:11There are no more details at this moment.
0:08:11 > 0:08:15The ordeal ended with the death of all nine hostages,
0:08:15 > 0:08:18along with five terrorists and one German policeman.
0:08:19 > 0:08:20That was...
0:08:20 > 0:08:22at a very pressured moment,
0:08:22 > 0:08:25a tour de force in terms of broadcasting from him.
0:08:25 > 0:08:31But I came through something, happily not as dreadful as that,
0:08:31 > 0:08:33but it was still pretty frightening,
0:08:33 > 0:08:34and that was in the Atlanta Olympics.
0:08:34 > 0:08:37There was a bomb in Centennial Park,
0:08:37 > 0:08:39and I was on the air with Steve Rider
0:08:39 > 0:08:40when all of it happened.
0:08:40 > 0:08:45And we were effectively the rolling news channel of the time,
0:08:45 > 0:08:47because News 24 and... CNN was up and running,
0:08:47 > 0:08:50but it wasn't something that we accessed all the time,
0:08:50 > 0:08:54so we had a real taste of that slightly chaotic,
0:08:54 > 0:08:56living on the edge of your seat,
0:08:56 > 0:08:59relying on your wit and journalistic instinct,
0:08:59 > 0:09:01so I had a little taster of it.
0:09:01 > 0:09:02Very uncomfortable.
0:09:02 > 0:09:06Which is why something that David produced at that time -
0:09:06 > 0:09:08which must have been a terribly stressful situation
0:09:08 > 0:09:12to have had to have been the anchor for - was so magnificent.
0:09:12 > 0:09:14Relying on his wits, very clearly,
0:09:14 > 0:09:16and he's trying to formulate with no script...
0:09:16 > 0:09:19There's no Autocue, there's no nothing like that.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22- That's all wits. - Yeah.- That's all just talent.
0:09:22 > 0:09:24And it's still looked upon today
0:09:24 > 0:09:26as a real tour de force in broadcasting.
0:09:26 > 0:09:29And when it comes to talented sports broadcasters,
0:09:29 > 0:09:32we've produced plenty over the years.
0:09:32 > 0:09:35Back in the '40s, Rex Alston blessed us
0:09:35 > 0:09:40with his brilliant commentary on rugby, cricket and tennis.
0:09:40 > 0:09:43In the '60s, we saw one of Hazel's idols, Dickie Davies,
0:09:43 > 0:09:47take the reins on World Of Sport, where, every Saturday,
0:09:47 > 0:09:50he held together an afternoon of live sports programming.
0:09:52 > 0:09:55And around the same time, clutching his trusty microphone,
0:09:55 > 0:09:59was the legendary Kenneth Wolstenholme.
0:09:59 > 0:10:01Who could forget his iconic commentary
0:10:01 > 0:10:04on England's World Cup victory in 1966,
0:10:04 > 0:10:07when he proclaimed, "They think it's all over...
0:10:07 > 0:10:08"It is now."
0:10:09 > 0:10:10In the '70s, Des Lynam brought
0:10:10 > 0:10:14his slick, laid-back approach to our screens,
0:10:14 > 0:10:16along with a very fetching moustache.
0:10:16 > 0:10:19He fronted Grandstand, Match Of The Day and Wimbledon,
0:10:19 > 0:10:20amongst many others,
0:10:20 > 0:10:24cementing his place in history as a true broadcasting heavyweight.
0:10:26 > 0:10:28Another presenter, whose breadth of knowledge
0:10:28 > 0:10:32and relaxed presenting style has fixed her as a favourite,
0:10:32 > 0:10:33is Clare Balding,
0:10:33 > 0:10:36who covers everything from horse racing to Wimbledon.
0:10:45 > 0:10:47So moving on to your home life now, Hazel.
0:10:47 > 0:10:49Tell me about your living room.
0:10:49 > 0:10:52- What was it like...- Um, well... - ..when you were growing up?
0:10:52 > 0:10:54When I was growing up? In the '70s,
0:10:54 > 0:10:58didn't we all have low-slung sofas that kind of did your back in?
0:10:58 > 0:11:01You didn't so much sit on them as slouch on them.
0:11:01 > 0:11:02Yeah. I can't imagine you slouching!
0:11:02 > 0:11:05Yeah, I know, I know. I was a bit of a sloucher.
0:11:05 > 0:11:06Hazel doesn't slouch.
0:11:06 > 0:11:09I can imagine you just running while you're watching the TV.
0:11:09 > 0:11:12- Or playing a game of golf. - No, it was a very small television.
0:11:12 > 0:11:14Oh, of course. I'd forgotten. Yeah.
0:11:14 > 0:11:16But it was a very happy house.
0:11:17 > 0:11:19I had a very, very happy childhood.
0:11:19 > 0:11:24I was very lucky. I still am very lucky to have a mum and dad,
0:11:24 > 0:11:27who've been so interested in my brother and myself,
0:11:27 > 0:11:29and, when you think back on all those times,
0:11:29 > 0:11:31what they are responsible for...
0:11:31 > 0:11:36Huge swathes of everything that I'm interested in, due to my folks.
0:11:36 > 0:11:39But my father was the one, for me,
0:11:39 > 0:11:42that informed my love of the outdoors,
0:11:42 > 0:11:46my love of sport, my love of adventure, my love of language,
0:11:46 > 0:11:47my love of geography,
0:11:47 > 0:11:52because his influence upon us informed all of those things.
0:11:52 > 0:11:54One of the absolute must-see television moments
0:11:54 > 0:11:56of any week was Holiday.
0:11:56 > 0:12:00So Holiday was on and it was the time of Anne Gregg,
0:12:00 > 0:12:02the lovely Anne Gregg.
0:12:02 > 0:12:04Here, Cliff Michelmore anchors the show
0:12:04 > 0:12:06and Anne Gregg is on location in Sicily.
0:12:06 > 0:12:09..for our next report on the island of Sicily.
0:12:09 > 0:12:12Look at the graphics! I love the way the...
0:12:12 > 0:12:13the graphics come in.
0:12:13 > 0:12:15Now, there's an awful lot of history crammed into that island,
0:12:15 > 0:12:19and Anne Gregg set off to discover some of it on a coach tour.
0:12:19 > 0:12:23Around 12 million Brits tuned into Holiday every week.
0:12:23 > 0:12:262,500 years ago,
0:12:26 > 0:12:28the Greeks sailed across the Ionian Sea
0:12:28 > 0:12:31towards the craggy east coast of Sicily.
0:12:31 > 0:12:33They liked what they saw, dropped anchor
0:12:33 > 0:12:36and established a settlement called Naxos.
0:12:36 > 0:12:39I remember my dad saying, "We're going to go there."
0:12:40 > 0:12:43Giardini-Naxos. We stayed there.
0:12:43 > 0:12:45Isn't that amazing?
0:12:46 > 0:12:49There are so many interesting historical sites in Sicily.
0:12:49 > 0:12:52Agrigento is important because it was here
0:12:52 > 0:12:55that Greek civilisation had its heyday in Sicily.
0:12:55 > 0:12:57The town that was here then was called...
0:12:57 > 0:13:00The lovely Anne Gregg. This beautiful, elegant lady.
0:13:00 > 0:13:04And this was at the time when Spain was the package holiday place,
0:13:04 > 0:13:05and we'd been a couple of times,
0:13:05 > 0:13:08but he wanted to break out and do something different.
0:13:08 > 0:13:11When you look back on my early years,
0:13:11 > 0:13:14you will see that we didn't just go places.
0:13:14 > 0:13:15We didn't go and see something.
0:13:15 > 0:13:19We had to get to the top of it. We had to conquer everything!
0:13:19 > 0:13:21So when we went, from the earliest times,
0:13:21 > 0:13:23away in our little caravan into the Scottish Highlands,
0:13:23 > 0:13:25from the earliest years,
0:13:25 > 0:13:27there's my brother and my dad and myself -
0:13:27 > 0:13:29and my mum taking the pictures - somewhere up the top of a hill.
0:13:29 > 0:13:33And I remember, we went to Sicily and we went...
0:13:33 > 0:13:35made a beeline for Mount Etna.
0:13:35 > 0:13:36- Oh!- Yes. Which was interesting.
0:13:36 > 0:13:38This was not with your caravan on the back?
0:13:38 > 0:13:40No, no caravan. We actually flew.
0:13:40 > 0:13:43- Happily, we didn't.- OK. - But he wanted to go and do this
0:13:43 > 0:13:45and my long-suffering mum,
0:13:45 > 0:13:48who was kind of inured to adventure by this point...
0:13:48 > 0:13:49"OK, I'll come."
0:13:50 > 0:13:53We went there and Etna was actually erupting.
0:13:53 > 0:13:55A side vent was erupting.
0:13:55 > 0:13:58It was kind of spewing out a little bit of lava,
0:13:58 > 0:14:01but they were still running tours to this lava flow.
0:14:01 > 0:14:04It was extraordinary, when you think about it.
0:14:04 > 0:14:07And about... Possibly about a foot and a half
0:14:07 > 0:14:10under the ground that we were standing on, ie the lava flow,
0:14:10 > 0:14:12was glowing hot and you were allowed on.
0:14:12 > 0:14:14With a guide, you were allowed to go.
0:14:14 > 0:14:17I was absolutely petrified, but totally fascinated by this.
0:14:17 > 0:14:20And there's pictures of us actually up there in this ramshackle old bus,
0:14:20 > 0:14:22along with other people,
0:14:22 > 0:14:25walking on this lava flow, and you can see there's...
0:14:25 > 0:14:29You can see there's smoke and steam coming out,
0:14:29 > 0:14:32not too far in front of us, and this was totally inspiring to me.
0:14:32 > 0:14:36I loved that whole thrill of adventure and I've travelled...
0:14:36 > 0:14:39I've had a real thirst for travel around the world
0:14:39 > 0:14:40and trying to communicate with people
0:14:40 > 0:14:42even when I can't speak their language,
0:14:42 > 0:14:44so thank you very much, Holiday,
0:14:44 > 0:14:47cos I'm sure it played a very significant part in all of that.
0:14:47 > 0:14:51Travel shows have certainly opened up plenty of possibilities for us
0:14:51 > 0:14:52over the years.
0:14:54 > 0:14:58Whicker's World started as a segment on the Tonight Show in 1958
0:14:58 > 0:15:00and, for over five decades, Alan took us
0:15:00 > 0:15:04to some of the most far-flung and exotic places imaginable.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10Another legend of the travel show genre was Judith Chalmers,
0:15:10 > 0:15:14who presented "Wish You Were Here...?" from 1973 to 2003.
0:15:16 > 0:15:18Holiday had moved on a bit from the Anne Gregg era
0:15:18 > 0:15:22by the time Craig Doyle took over the reins in 1999.
0:15:25 > 0:15:27Currently guiding us around the globe
0:15:27 > 0:15:31is award-winning travel writer and presenter Carmen Roberts,
0:15:31 > 0:15:33who fronts the BBC World Service's
0:15:33 > 0:15:35The Travel Show.
0:15:35 > 0:15:36Itchy feet, anyone?
0:15:44 > 0:15:45Now for your next choice, Hazel.
0:15:45 > 0:15:49Let see what your must-see TV was back in the day.
0:15:51 > 0:15:52What have I chosen here?
0:15:53 > 0:15:58We Are The Champions ran as a series from 1973 to 1987,
0:15:58 > 0:16:00and was originally hosted
0:16:00 > 0:16:04by former Welsh national athletics coach Ron Pickering.
0:16:04 > 0:16:06The show visited schools around the country,
0:16:06 > 0:16:11pitting pupils against each other in various sporting contests.
0:16:11 > 0:16:15And this was effectively school sports given the Olympic treatment.
0:16:15 > 0:16:19I mean, how good... It just doesn't get any better than that!
0:16:19 > 0:16:22They brought all these wonderful Olympians and sports stars...
0:16:22 > 0:16:25Do you think the titles promised more than the show did?
0:16:25 > 0:16:28When I see it again, they promise a lot.
0:16:32 > 0:16:33We Are The Champions,
0:16:33 > 0:16:37a series of contests between two schools on a knockout basis.
0:16:37 > 0:16:38Don't have to be great athletes -
0:16:38 > 0:16:41everybody scores, everybody has a lot of fun.
0:16:41 > 0:16:42When you're seven or eight
0:16:42 > 0:16:44and the Olympics are coming to your school,
0:16:44 > 0:16:46oh, I longed for it to come to my primary school.
0:16:46 > 0:16:49- Really? - I wanted to be a part of this.
0:16:49 > 0:16:51Everybody starts and finishes.
0:16:51 > 0:16:53Must finish with a hat on.
0:16:53 > 0:16:55What I loved about it...
0:16:55 > 0:16:57Hugely professional, Ron Pickering.
0:16:57 > 0:17:00He wasn't just a great broadcaster - he was an Olympic coach, as well.
0:17:00 > 0:17:03He was an athletics coach, so he knew exactly what he was doing.
0:17:07 > 0:17:08He treated it as a proper event.
0:17:08 > 0:17:10- It was great fun.- Yeah.
0:17:10 > 0:17:11Hopping along a bench?
0:17:11 > 0:17:13Oh, that's death-defying!
0:17:13 > 0:17:15LAUGHTER
0:17:15 > 0:17:18When you see it now, it's just...
0:17:18 > 0:17:19It's just so daft, isn't it?
0:17:19 > 0:17:22But, oh, I loved all that stuff.
0:17:22 > 0:17:24You weren't the only one, Hazel.
0:17:24 > 0:17:26With the series running until 1987,
0:17:26 > 0:17:29then annual specials right up until 1995,
0:17:29 > 0:17:32We Are The Champions was a massive success.
0:17:32 > 0:17:35200 points to 100.
0:17:35 > 0:17:38It's Chalkstone by a nose.
0:17:38 > 0:17:40It was just innocent, good-fun telly.
0:17:40 > 0:17:43What would Hazel like to have won?
0:17:43 > 0:17:45Ooh, the 100 hurdles.
0:17:45 > 0:17:48- Really?- Yes. I was a sprint hurdler.
0:17:48 > 0:17:49That was my thing, yeah.
0:17:49 > 0:17:52But I did huge amounts of sport. It was just something that we did.
0:17:52 > 0:17:55There was always something after school I was doing.
0:17:55 > 0:17:59It was gymnastics, it was athletics, it was swimming, it was everything.
0:17:59 > 0:18:02- Golf?- Golf. I mean, golf, my absolute passion.
0:18:02 > 0:18:03But that was outside school.
0:18:03 > 0:18:06- Now?- To this day, yeah. - You love it?- Love the golf, yeah.
0:18:06 > 0:18:07- Really?- And I got involved in golf since...
0:18:07 > 0:18:09I think I was about eight or nine,
0:18:09 > 0:18:13I was first taken down to our local golf course, Cardross Golf Club.
0:18:13 > 0:18:15Mum and Dad always knew where you were.
0:18:15 > 0:18:17You had enough money to go and buy something at lunchtime,
0:18:17 > 0:18:18a little drink, get back again.
0:18:18 > 0:18:21Two rounds a day - absolutely brilliant.
0:18:21 > 0:18:24And I don't know about you, but when you look back on your childhood,
0:18:24 > 0:18:28- I don't remember the rain much.- No. - I just remember it being sunny.
0:18:28 > 0:18:30The summers were much longer, weren't they?
0:18:30 > 0:18:32Yeah, they were. In your memory, they are.
0:18:32 > 0:18:35I remember playing... I was about the only girl.
0:18:35 > 0:18:38There was maybe two or three female junior members at the club
0:18:38 > 0:18:41and we used to play against the boys all the time.
0:18:41 > 0:18:44That's probably shaped a lot of my attitudes, really.
0:18:44 > 0:18:46But I couldn't get enough of it. Yeah, loved it.
0:18:52 > 0:18:54Now, Hazel, we're going to move on to your comedy hero.
0:18:54 > 0:18:56- Oh, right.- Mm-hm.
0:18:56 > 0:18:57One of my favourites, as well.
0:18:57 > 0:18:59Is it? A legend. Yeah. Here he is.
0:18:59 > 0:19:01Dick Emery.
0:19:01 > 0:19:03An Englishman's home is his castle
0:19:03 > 0:19:05but due to the population explosion,
0:19:05 > 0:19:07even castles are getting overcrowded these days.
0:19:07 > 0:19:12The Dick Emery Show ran from 1963 to 1981.
0:19:12 > 0:19:15In this episode, Gordon Clyde is interviewing locals
0:19:15 > 0:19:17on the housing shortage.
0:19:17 > 0:19:19Cue Emery's hilarious comedy portrayal
0:19:19 > 0:19:21of larger-than-life characters.
0:19:23 > 0:19:24- LAUGHTER - Excuse me, sir.
0:19:24 > 0:19:26Oh, hello, honky-tonk. How are you?
0:19:26 > 0:19:28- Very well, thank you. - Nice to see you.- Thank you.
0:19:28 > 0:19:30- I'm asking people about housing. - Oh, yes?
0:19:30 > 0:19:32Is that how people dress in Scotland?
0:19:32 > 0:19:33LAUGHTER
0:19:33 > 0:19:37Only on a special occasion, Brian, obviously.
0:19:37 > 0:19:39Tell me, do you have a house of your own?
0:19:39 > 0:19:41Well, not really. I share one with five other fellas.
0:19:41 > 0:19:44- LAUGHTER - We call it Henry VIII Cottage.
0:19:44 > 0:19:45Really? Why's that?
0:19:45 > 0:19:47Cos there's six old queens living there.
0:19:47 > 0:19:49LAUGHTER
0:19:50 > 0:19:53There were some fantastic writers who were part of this, weren't they?
0:19:53 > 0:19:55I mean, wasn't Mel Brooks part of it?
0:19:55 > 0:19:56- That's right, yeah.- Oh, dear.
0:19:56 > 0:19:59- There were so many characters that he came up with.- I know.
0:19:59 > 0:20:01A man of many faces and characters, wasn't he?
0:20:01 > 0:20:04It was Mandy. "You are awful but I like you."
0:20:04 > 0:20:07- "Oh, you are awful but I like you." - That was the one that everybody did.
0:20:07 > 0:20:08Everybody did it at school, didn't they?
0:20:08 > 0:20:10- Here we go.- Here she is.
0:20:10 > 0:20:12Emery had a clutch of characters,
0:20:12 > 0:20:14from the vicar to the bovver boy
0:20:14 > 0:20:17and, of course, the busty blonde bombshell, Mandy.
0:20:17 > 0:20:18Oh, well, it's no problem to me
0:20:18 > 0:20:21because my uncle's just left me two 14-roomed houses
0:20:21 > 0:20:23and I'm thinking of selling them.
0:20:23 > 0:20:25Well, you are lucky to have a couple of big ones like that.
0:20:25 > 0:20:27- LAUGHTER - Pardon?
0:20:27 > 0:20:30Well, there must be a lot of people dying to get their hands on them.
0:20:30 > 0:20:32Oh, you are awful.
0:20:32 > 0:20:33But I like you!
0:20:35 > 0:20:40Total nonsense and just daft but, to be fair, Dick Emery...
0:20:40 > 0:20:43I think he spawned a whole new generation of sketch shows.
0:20:43 > 0:20:44I liked The Goodies, as well,
0:20:44 > 0:20:47that sort of anarchic nonsense, as well.
0:20:47 > 0:20:48But I also liked Kenny Everett.
0:20:48 > 0:20:52I'm a child of the time in that regard.
0:20:52 > 0:20:55That's what was in front of us and that's the stuff we enjoyed.
0:21:02 > 0:21:04We've talked about the telly that made you laugh,
0:21:04 > 0:21:07- but what about the telly that made you scared?- Oh, yes.
0:21:07 > 0:21:08One programme in particular, Hazel.
0:21:08 > 0:21:12Yes. Yes, I'm bristling at the thought.
0:21:12 > 0:21:17Well, Doctor Who was something we used to watch all the time.
0:21:17 > 0:21:20It was usually a Saturday night, about tea-time, I reckon.
0:21:20 > 0:21:22But there was one episode and one thing...
0:21:22 > 0:21:25And I think it was probably when I was about seven or eight,
0:21:25 > 0:21:27and it was called The Green Death.
0:21:27 > 0:21:30There were fluorescent green...
0:21:31 > 0:21:33What would you call them?
0:21:33 > 0:21:36..slugs, that bit you, and when they did,
0:21:36 > 0:21:39they inflicted upon you the Green Death -
0:21:39 > 0:21:41a long, slow, tortuous death
0:21:41 > 0:21:43in which you became green, fluorescent and died.
0:21:43 > 0:21:46And we would watch it from behind the sofa, my brother and I,
0:21:46 > 0:21:48petrified of it all.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50Are you... Are you up for it now?
0:21:50 > 0:21:53Are you sure this is wise?
0:21:53 > 0:21:55Hazel...The Green Death.
0:21:57 > 0:21:59Doctor, here, quickly!
0:21:59 > 0:22:03In this episode from 1973, the Doctor, played by Jon Pertwee,
0:22:03 > 0:22:05with Jo Grant, played by Katy Manning,
0:22:05 > 0:22:07are trying to escape the Green Death.
0:22:09 > 0:22:10- SHE GASPS - Look at that!
0:22:12 > 0:22:14Oh, my word!
0:22:15 > 0:22:17Look at that. How terrifying is that?
0:22:17 > 0:22:19That is menacing, you know?
0:22:19 > 0:22:21You wouldn't be able to run away from them, would you(?)
0:22:21 > 0:22:23Ooh, look at them wriggling! Oh, they had teeth.
0:22:23 > 0:22:25- Look, they did have teeth.- Urgh!
0:22:30 > 0:22:31There's no way out.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33Nil desperandum, Jo.
0:22:33 > 0:22:35Doctor, those things crawling around in that green stuff.
0:22:35 > 0:22:37You saw what happened to the others.
0:22:37 > 0:22:39We mustn't let them touch us, must we?
0:22:39 > 0:22:40Now, how do we get out of here?
0:22:40 > 0:22:41Jon Pertwee, eh?
0:22:41 > 0:22:46Isn't amazing how things trigger fears and insecurities?
0:22:46 > 0:22:48I've never been all that fond of creepy crawlies
0:22:48 > 0:22:50and I'm just wondering whether...
0:22:50 > 0:22:52- Oh, right.- Whether it was Doctor Who that did it.
0:22:58 > 0:23:02Moving on to see what you've chosen as your First Tears TV,
0:23:02 > 0:23:06and I'm not surprised you have chosen an iconic sporting moment
0:23:06 > 0:23:07from a fellow Scot.
0:23:07 > 0:23:08Here he is. Yeah.
0:23:08 > 0:23:12- Sandy.- Sandy Lyle.- Sandy Lyle.
0:23:12 > 0:23:14- Winning the '85 Open.- Yeah.
0:23:14 > 0:23:16- This is the 18th.- Mm.
0:23:16 > 0:23:20And you think, "Oh, we've got it nailed.
0:23:20 > 0:23:21"He's going to do it."
0:23:21 > 0:23:26First British Open champion from the UK since 1969.
0:23:27 > 0:23:28A very good effort.
0:23:28 > 0:23:31Now, this is just after he'd flubbed his chip.
0:23:31 > 0:23:34He flubbed his chip, ended up on his knees,
0:23:34 > 0:23:36saying, "I've blown it, I've blown it."
0:23:36 > 0:23:37What does "flubbed your chip"...?
0:23:37 > 0:23:39LAUGHTER
0:23:39 > 0:23:42He'd attempted to chip out of a little hollow up to the flag
0:23:42 > 0:23:44but, unfortunately, it didn't go right,
0:23:44 > 0:23:46and came back down the hill towards him
0:23:46 > 0:23:48and we thought, "He's blown it here."
0:23:48 > 0:23:50So he finished off here. He got down in two.
0:23:50 > 0:23:52- Well done. - CHEERING
0:23:52 > 0:23:54A five. He has to wait now.
0:23:54 > 0:23:59The reason there's TV tears here is because I thought, "He's blown it."
0:23:59 > 0:24:03We were crying with the frustration that we thought, "He's not done it."
0:24:03 > 0:24:05We'd gone through this whole four days
0:24:05 > 0:24:09of wishing and hoping that Sandy would win, and he's blown it.
0:24:09 > 0:24:13And, in fact, we had a 40- to 45-minute wait
0:24:13 > 0:24:16to know that Sandy was the winner by one shot
0:24:16 > 0:24:18from Payne Stewart of America.
0:24:18 > 0:24:19- Fair enough.- And we thought,
0:24:19 > 0:24:22"If we go on a pub crawl for the next 45 minutes,
0:24:22 > 0:24:23"it'll be all right."
0:24:23 > 0:24:28The winner of the gold medal and the champion golfer for the year,
0:24:28 > 0:24:32with a score of 282, Sandy Lyle.
0:24:32 > 0:24:35Lyle's victory ended a bleak run for British golf.
0:24:35 > 0:24:40His win in 1985 was the first since Tony Jacklin won the Open
0:24:40 > 0:24:43at Royal Lytham & St Annes in 1969.
0:24:43 > 0:24:47So when we finished and when Sandy had picked up the Claret Jug,
0:24:47 > 0:24:48first since Jacklin to do it,
0:24:48 > 0:24:51it was just such a special moment...
0:24:51 > 0:24:55I'd always really loved watching Sandy and he was just a genius.
0:24:55 > 0:24:58This guy could play long irons that no-one could play, 2-iron.
0:24:58 > 0:25:00It's a club, Brian!
0:25:00 > 0:25:02It's quite a difficult one to master.
0:25:02 > 0:25:06I do remember that as one of the best feelings I've ever had
0:25:06 > 0:25:09watching the telly, and it was Sandy doing that.
0:25:09 > 0:25:11And, of course, three years later, he went on to become
0:25:11 > 0:25:14the first British golfer to win the Masters at Augusta
0:25:14 > 0:25:16and I remember dancing around the living room
0:25:16 > 0:25:19when he became the first Briton to do it and wear the green jacket.
0:25:19 > 0:25:20All these things,
0:25:20 > 0:25:22I suddenly realised at the time
0:25:22 > 0:25:25that sport was not just something to be enjoyed -
0:25:25 > 0:25:29it was something that was the greatest unscripted drama of all.
0:25:33 > 0:25:37We've had our fair share of unscripted sporting drama
0:25:37 > 0:25:39and telly tears over the years.
0:25:39 > 0:25:42Gazza cried along with England football supporters
0:25:42 > 0:25:45at the World Cup in Italy in 1990,
0:25:45 > 0:25:48as a yellow card meant he'd miss the final if England made it.
0:25:53 > 0:25:56Sir Steve Redgrave had us reaching for our hankies
0:25:56 > 0:25:58at the Sydney Olympics in 2000,
0:25:58 > 0:26:02when he became a sporting legend by winning five gold medals
0:26:02 > 0:26:04at five consecutive Games.
0:26:07 > 0:26:10Tennis fans were in tears in 2013,
0:26:10 > 0:26:13when Andy Murray won his first Wimbledon title
0:26:13 > 0:26:16and ended Britain's 77-year wait for a men's champion
0:26:16 > 0:26:18with a straight-sets victory
0:26:18 > 0:26:21over the world number one, Novak Djokovic.
0:26:22 > 0:26:24And, believe it or not, it's been over 30 years
0:26:24 > 0:26:27since Torvill and Dean's perfect score,
0:26:27 > 0:26:30when they performed the Bolero
0:26:30 > 0:26:31at the 1984 Winter Olympics
0:26:31 > 0:26:34and they had the nation crying tears of joy.
0:26:35 > 0:26:38So, golf - are you any good at golf?
0:26:38 > 0:26:40I'm not bad. I'm not bad.
0:26:40 > 0:26:42Right, well I'd better go and get my putter, then.
0:26:42 > 0:26:43Oh, no!
0:26:43 > 0:26:45- Oh!- So...
0:26:45 > 0:26:47- Oh, the putter. OK. - I've got my putter.
0:26:47 > 0:26:49If you'd like to come and join me over here...
0:26:49 > 0:26:52My family did this in the front room.
0:26:52 > 0:26:54This is a wee blast from the past.
0:26:54 > 0:26:57There's our TV That Made Me mug, which I will place about there.
0:26:57 > 0:26:59Little crazy golf obstacles all over our floor
0:26:59 > 0:27:01and we used to play with a putter around the living room.
0:27:01 > 0:27:04- OK, all right.- Just imagine you're on the 18th.- OK. This is...
0:27:04 > 0:27:05There's no pressure here at all, Brian.
0:27:05 > 0:27:07This is to win the TV That Made Me Open.
0:27:07 > 0:27:10I'm not sure of the speed of the greens here.
0:27:10 > 0:27:13I've not had a practice putt, so I'll give it a go.
0:27:14 > 0:27:17Ooh, just kissed the cup.
0:27:17 > 0:27:19Kissed the cup! Not bad, right?
0:27:19 > 0:27:20Excuse me. My go.
0:27:20 > 0:27:22He's going to go closer - I can tell.
0:27:22 > 0:27:23Hazel, I'll let you commentate now.
0:27:23 > 0:27:25OK. Right, Brian.
0:27:25 > 0:27:26Is he going to face the right way?
0:27:26 > 0:27:28Well, that's a good start for Brian.
0:27:28 > 0:27:31Now, this is a man who had a handicap of, um...
0:27:31 > 0:27:33well, 108 until yesterday.
0:27:33 > 0:27:34I've got to get it straight.
0:27:34 > 0:27:36Which is unusual for a handicap,
0:27:36 > 0:27:37given that they don't start there.
0:27:37 > 0:27:41If I get this, Hazel, you're going to be so upset because you didn't.
0:27:41 > 0:27:42This is for the Claret Jug, Brian.
0:27:42 > 0:27:44Oh!
0:27:44 > 0:27:46Yeah! Oh, it bounced out. Give me that.
0:27:46 > 0:27:48- Give me that.- Well done, mate. - APPLAUSE
0:27:48 > 0:27:51Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
0:27:51 > 0:27:53See, I've always been better at commentating
0:27:53 > 0:27:55than I have at playing it, that's for sure,
0:27:55 > 0:27:57but I still love my golf.
0:27:57 > 0:27:59I think you just cracked under pressure there.
0:27:59 > 0:28:02I must have done. Yeah, usually do. Competition. But I still play...
0:28:02 > 0:28:04I play to a reasonable standard.
0:28:04 > 0:28:06- I used to play for the university team.- Yeah?- At St Andrews.
0:28:06 > 0:28:09And I've been very lucky to have, er...
0:28:09 > 0:28:14been able to present coverage of all the major events for the BBC,
0:28:14 > 0:28:18and I've been doing that since 1990, '92, really,
0:28:18 > 0:28:20and I've been lucky to cover the Open
0:28:20 > 0:28:24and the Masters for so many years, go to Augusta in the springtime.
0:28:24 > 0:28:28It is just the greatest thrill and you sometimes have to pinch yourself
0:28:28 > 0:28:29because, you know something?
0:28:29 > 0:28:33If I wasn't doing it, I would be watching it.
0:28:33 > 0:28:34It's as simple as that.
0:28:40 > 0:28:41Hazel, in the words of Monty Python,
0:28:41 > 0:28:45- and now for something completely different.- Oh!
0:28:46 > 0:28:48THEME TUNE STARTS HAZEL LAUGHS
0:28:48 > 0:28:50Cagney & Lacey.
0:28:50 > 0:28:53Oh, yes. There they are!
0:28:53 > 0:28:56Brilliant! Sharon Gless, Tyne Daly.
0:28:56 > 0:28:58Two feisty ladies.
0:28:58 > 0:29:01For 125 episodes throughout the '80s,
0:29:01 > 0:29:04these amazing ladies kept us entertained.
0:29:06 > 0:29:09I love the titles, by the way. Look at this. They just...
0:29:09 > 0:29:11They just got on so well as characters
0:29:11 > 0:29:13but also, apparently, in real life as well,
0:29:13 > 0:29:15they're very good friends. I loved this bit. She's...
0:29:15 > 0:29:18Yeah, I would probably have been looking in at that coat as well.
0:29:20 > 0:29:23But I just love the fact that they were ordinary women
0:29:23 > 0:29:26doing a kind of extraordinary job.
0:29:26 > 0:29:27You have to put it in the context
0:29:27 > 0:29:30that all of the detective shows at the time...
0:29:30 > 0:29:34We had Starsky & Hutch and we had The Professionals.
0:29:34 > 0:29:37It was all real red-blooded, male machismo stuff, wasn't it?
0:29:37 > 0:29:40You didn't see any women in there, especially doing that,
0:29:40 > 0:29:42running through a train carriage with guns
0:29:42 > 0:29:45and all that sort of stuff.
0:29:45 > 0:29:46I loved that - the fact they were
0:29:46 > 0:29:49just so totally nonplussed by that bloke at the end.
0:29:49 > 0:29:50Fantastic. "Just get a life!"
0:29:50 > 0:29:51I just loved that.
0:29:51 > 0:29:53And this is great.
0:29:53 > 0:29:54Their boss is good.
0:29:54 > 0:29:55"Get back to work."
0:29:58 > 0:29:59Brilliant!
0:29:59 > 0:30:03I never figured out how come Mad happened to see our car
0:30:03 > 0:30:05the day he told us about the drug buy.
0:30:05 > 0:30:07Central to the series was the relationship these detectives
0:30:07 > 0:30:10had with their boss, Lieutenant Samuels,
0:30:10 > 0:30:12and with each other.
0:30:12 > 0:30:15Not only was Cagney & Lacey a brilliant cop show,
0:30:15 > 0:30:19but it often explored personal and emotional issues, too,
0:30:19 > 0:30:21which set it apart from similar shows.
0:30:21 > 0:30:24Well, sir, in fairness, the shoulder did feel better.
0:30:24 > 0:30:26Go get it.
0:30:26 > 0:30:29I loved Sharon Gless because she was so vulnerable, wasn't she?
0:30:29 > 0:30:32She played this really tough, hard-nosed woman
0:30:32 > 0:30:34but she was so emotionally vulnerable,
0:30:34 > 0:30:38and she really wanted what Tyne Daly's character had.
0:30:38 > 0:30:41She really yearned for kids and a family,
0:30:41 > 0:30:44and this programme tackled a lot of social issues
0:30:44 > 0:30:46that we weren't really used to seeing.
0:30:46 > 0:30:48You know, women who want it all -
0:30:48 > 0:30:50they want motherhood and they want a career.
0:30:50 > 0:30:55And it tackled alcoholism and it tackled breast cancer, actually.
0:30:55 > 0:30:59So there were so many things it addressed from a female perspective
0:30:59 > 0:31:01that had never really been discussed on national television.
0:31:01 > 0:31:03And this was MASSIVE in America!
0:31:03 > 0:31:06- This got 30 million viewers?! - I know. It was incredible.
0:31:06 > 0:31:09I think when the network tried to take it off,
0:31:09 > 0:31:11there were so many people that wrote in and said,
0:31:11 > 0:31:13"Don't take it off," they had to bring it back.
0:31:15 > 0:31:16Hold it right there!
0:31:17 > 0:31:20The chemistry between the two characters was great.
0:31:20 > 0:31:22They always displayed a vulnerability,
0:31:22 > 0:31:24but a toughness under pressure.
0:31:24 > 0:31:25Never, ever backed down.
0:31:25 > 0:31:28The show sometimes climaxed with a chase scene,
0:31:28 > 0:31:31where we willed our heroines to come out on top.
0:31:32 > 0:31:34Freeze! Police!
0:31:34 > 0:31:36That's as far as you go, fool!
0:31:36 > 0:31:42They won best actress for six years in a row
0:31:42 > 0:31:44in a leading role at the Emmys.
0:31:44 > 0:31:46It was either one or the other won it.
0:31:46 > 0:31:49And this programme won countless, countless awards.
0:31:49 > 0:31:53So it was a very influential piece of television.
0:31:53 > 0:31:55- Mm.- And of its time, yeah.
0:31:55 > 0:31:57And something that influenced you.
0:31:57 > 0:31:59I guess, subliminally.
0:31:59 > 0:32:02I didn't make decisions on the basis of watching Cagney & Lacey...
0:32:02 > 0:32:05- No, no.- But it was... - Didn't go around killing anyone.
0:32:05 > 0:32:07And I didn't come the tough guy.
0:32:07 > 0:32:11But you have to put yourself back to about 1986,
0:32:11 > 0:32:13when I was coming out of university,
0:32:13 > 0:32:15cos that was the year that Maradona's hand of God
0:32:15 > 0:32:18put out England in the World Cup. Fergie married Prince Andrew.
0:32:18 > 0:32:21The M25 was opened.
0:32:21 > 0:32:25That was a long, long time ago, but that's where we were in those days.
0:32:25 > 0:32:30There weren't really that many female role models on television
0:32:30 > 0:32:34and the sort of dual-gender sports broadcasting world
0:32:34 > 0:32:38that we are now was not the same then.
0:32:38 > 0:32:40I remember being asked numerous questions
0:32:40 > 0:32:42when I first went into television.
0:32:42 > 0:32:44"What's it like being a woman in a man's world?"
0:32:44 > 0:32:45I got this constantly -
0:32:45 > 0:32:47"Woman in a man's world, woman in a man's world."
0:32:47 > 0:32:50Eventually, I got so sick of even trying to tackle the subject,
0:32:50 > 0:32:53for years, I never even talked about it, I just got on and did the job.
0:32:53 > 0:32:56But if someone asks me that question now, I'm not.
0:32:56 > 0:32:59I'm no longer a woman in a man's world
0:32:59 > 0:33:03because I am surrounded by so many other female broadcasters in sport.
0:33:03 > 0:33:06So we are in a completely different time,
0:33:06 > 0:33:11so Cagney & Lacey, to me, kind of sums up why it was unusual
0:33:11 > 0:33:14to see women in such high-profile roles on the telly,
0:33:14 > 0:33:17and that's the kind of essence of it.
0:33:22 > 0:33:26Now it's time to look at the beginnings of your own TV career.
0:33:26 > 0:33:29- Kind of dreading this one. - Why do you cringe?
0:33:29 > 0:33:31- Why?- Well, you'll probably see why I...
0:33:31 > 0:33:32Oh, no, I'm just about to cringe.
0:33:34 > 0:33:38Scotsport was the world's longest-running sports show
0:33:38 > 0:33:40and gave Hazel her big TV break.
0:33:40 > 0:33:42The cup final is undoubtedly the highlight...
0:33:42 > 0:33:45Oh, look at. Look at the shoulder pads!
0:33:45 > 0:33:47..a very long and hard season in Scotland.
0:33:47 > 0:33:49You look like you've got someone else in jacket with you, don't you?
0:33:49 > 0:33:51LAUGHTER
0:33:51 > 0:33:56I was the first woman that had ever worked as a mainstream presenter
0:33:56 > 0:34:01of a sports programme, and particularly a football programme.
0:34:01 > 0:34:04There was nobody else doing it in Great Britain. And we had a ball,
0:34:04 > 0:34:06we had a fantastic time.
0:34:06 > 0:34:08For one ex-Celtic player and manager,
0:34:08 > 0:34:11his work is only just beginning.
0:34:11 > 0:34:13The small town of Lillestrom is situated
0:34:13 > 0:34:16some 20km from the Norwegian capital...
0:34:16 > 0:34:20Oh, Lillestrom! This is the first foreign report I ever did.
0:34:20 > 0:34:22And it's where David Hay is now living and working
0:34:22 > 0:34:25as the manager of the town's local football team,
0:34:25 > 0:34:26Lillestrom Sporting Club.
0:34:26 > 0:34:29'And I talked my way on to that very balcony.
0:34:29 > 0:34:31'That's a woman's house. I turned up at the door,
0:34:31 > 0:34:32'knocked on the door and said,'
0:34:32 > 0:34:35"Would you mind if I did an interview with this man?"
0:34:35 > 0:34:37- Cos it overlooks...- You managed to blag it?- Yeah, I blagged it.
0:34:37 > 0:34:39Some betting news on that FA Cup Final,
0:34:39 > 0:34:42punters have waged over £5 million...
0:34:42 > 0:34:43- MOCKING:- "£5 million."
0:34:43 > 0:34:45Did you hear that?
0:34:45 > 0:34:49..will face a £1 million pay-out if Liverpool complete that double.
0:34:49 > 0:34:50Not bad.
0:34:50 > 0:34:52Happy days and happy times,
0:34:52 > 0:34:55and that was the first time that Jim and I had worked together.
0:34:55 > 0:34:57And a good learning curve for you?
0:34:57 > 0:34:59A huge learning curve, yeah.
0:34:59 > 0:35:01Our producer was a guy called Andy Melvin,
0:35:01 > 0:35:04who kind of thrashed journalistic discipline into me
0:35:04 > 0:35:08and taught me an awful lot of lessons about football
0:35:08 > 0:35:10and about the vocabulary
0:35:10 > 0:35:13and about the journalistic way of writing your scripts
0:35:13 > 0:35:15and doing so quickly and under pressure.
0:35:15 > 0:35:17I'm not sure who it was who said it,
0:35:17 > 0:35:19but I've kind of lived by it
0:35:19 > 0:35:21and that is, "Fail to prepare, prepare to fail."
0:35:21 > 0:35:24That's really what I've always done.
0:35:24 > 0:35:28I guess it was necessity that made me realise
0:35:28 > 0:35:33I had to show people that I wasn't just some wee girl
0:35:33 > 0:35:36that was in there to make up the numbers.
0:35:36 > 0:35:38When I went out to interview people,
0:35:38 > 0:35:41I made sure they knew I had done my homework.
0:35:41 > 0:35:44Even if it was in the phrasing of the questions to them,
0:35:44 > 0:35:47even if I was partly giving them some of the answer
0:35:47 > 0:35:49in the question I was asking them.
0:35:49 > 0:35:52It was designed to make them realise that I wanted to be taken seriously
0:35:52 > 0:35:54and I wasn't turning up there just to flutter my eyelids
0:35:54 > 0:35:57and ask a couple of questions. I had no interest in that.
0:35:57 > 0:35:58I was interested in the sport
0:35:58 > 0:36:01and I was interested in getting that out of them.
0:36:01 > 0:36:03So, it was born of necessity,
0:36:03 > 0:36:07it was born of having to be taken seriously.
0:36:07 > 0:36:09And, in between all this,
0:36:09 > 0:36:14I was asked to audition for ITV's Olympics of 1988.
0:36:14 > 0:36:17So I worked alongside the great Dickie Davies.
0:36:17 > 0:36:19- Oh, wow. - Which was an extraordinary thing.
0:36:19 > 0:36:22When you think about it, and I'm sure everybody remembers Dickie
0:36:22 > 0:36:24and I didn't realise, I was so young,
0:36:24 > 0:36:26he was practically holding my hand the whole time.
0:36:26 > 0:36:27He was looking out for me,
0:36:27 > 0:36:31he knew I had a reasonable amount of knowledge and enthusiasm
0:36:31 > 0:36:33and limited broadcasting experience,
0:36:33 > 0:36:37and I remember he said to me after about four days into the show
0:36:37 > 0:36:39and my confidence was beginning to get a little higher,
0:36:39 > 0:36:41he said, "Why don't you take the show off today?"
0:36:41 > 0:36:43And I said, "Well, Dickie,
0:36:43 > 0:36:46"I've actually never taken a programme off the air."
0:36:46 > 0:36:49I'm sitting on network television at 22 years of age.
0:36:49 > 0:36:52He said, "Well, look, if you get into trouble, I'll help you out.
0:36:52 > 0:36:54"Give it a go, you'll be fine."
0:36:54 > 0:36:57And I said OK. So the dreaded count comes.
0:36:57 > 0:36:59You always get a count, as you well know,
0:36:59 > 0:37:01I'm flummoxing my way through it...
0:37:01 > 0:37:03"And that's it from the lunchtime Olympics.
0:37:03 > 0:37:06"We'll be back tomorrow with more from the lunchtime Olympics."
0:37:06 > 0:37:08And eventually, I get the count and I get off on the zero
0:37:08 > 0:37:12and they cut to a high, wide shot of the studio, like we're in just now -
0:37:12 > 0:37:14apart from the fact it's your front room(!)
0:37:14 > 0:37:16In the wide shot,
0:37:16 > 0:37:19you see Dickie Davies clapping me like this
0:37:19 > 0:37:21and putting his hands in the air as if to say...
0:37:21 > 0:37:24And he said, "You did it, he did it."
0:37:24 > 0:37:27When I think back on that, how generous was that?
0:37:27 > 0:37:31A senior broadcaster, who had been in the game for an awful long time,
0:37:31 > 0:37:34actually taking pleasure in the fact
0:37:34 > 0:37:37that I'd learned something under his watch. So, thank you, Dickie.
0:37:38 > 0:37:41I've learned a lot from people and I think Steve Rider,
0:37:41 > 0:37:43he's possibly the most influential
0:37:43 > 0:37:46in terms of what I wanted to be.
0:37:46 > 0:37:50He never, ever allowed himself to be more important
0:37:50 > 0:37:51than what he was talking about
0:37:51 > 0:37:54and, for me, that is the essence of sports broadcasting
0:37:54 > 0:37:57because it's not about you, it really isn't about you.
0:37:57 > 0:37:59It's about the people that you're watching
0:37:59 > 0:38:02and the people that you're describing
0:38:02 > 0:38:05and the people that you're really incredibly impressed by.
0:38:05 > 0:38:08You're conveying all of these things to the viewer
0:38:08 > 0:38:12and asking the questions that they would want you to ask them.
0:38:12 > 0:38:17Steve, for me, summed up what it is to be a great sports broadcaster
0:38:17 > 0:38:21and if I'm ever halfway as good as Steve, then be doing all right.
0:38:21 > 0:38:25Another inspiration for Hazel was the late Helen Rollason,
0:38:25 > 0:38:28the first-ever female presenter of Grandstand.
0:38:29 > 0:38:32The lovely Helen. Yes, that smile -
0:38:32 > 0:38:34look, it's still radiates even today.
0:38:37 > 0:38:39Good afternoon, nice to with you.
0:38:39 > 0:38:41After a frantic week of football,
0:38:41 > 0:38:43we're calming down just a little this afternoon.
0:38:43 > 0:38:46Not completely - we've got plenty of soccer action -
0:38:46 > 0:38:48but we're concentrating on horse racing and tennis.
0:38:48 > 0:38:52My first broadcast for Grandstand was 1992
0:38:52 > 0:38:55and Helen, I think, was about 1990 or '91, something like that.
0:38:55 > 0:38:58So she had broken the mould in that regard.
0:38:58 > 0:39:00She was an incredible lady.
0:39:00 > 0:39:02She was passionate about sport
0:39:02 > 0:39:05and doing her homework in order to be able to do the job,
0:39:05 > 0:39:08- something that I always love to do as well.- Mm.
0:39:09 > 0:39:13And when she became ill, obviously, she became a lioness.
0:39:13 > 0:39:15She was an extraordinary fighter
0:39:15 > 0:39:18and did more to raise awareness of cancer
0:39:18 > 0:39:21and living with cancer and she fought and fought.
0:39:21 > 0:39:23And I still work for her charity...
0:39:24 > 0:39:27- ..and I'm so proud to do so. - Ah, lovely.
0:39:27 > 0:39:31It raises a lot of money, it does an awful lot of good, the foundation.
0:39:31 > 0:39:32So, proudest moment, then?
0:39:32 > 0:39:34Proudest moment...
0:39:34 > 0:39:38Well, I guess it all comes together for me at the London 2012 Olympics,
0:39:38 > 0:39:40as it did for so many other people
0:39:40 > 0:39:42and probably for everybody here today
0:39:42 > 0:39:44and a lot of people watching at home.
0:39:44 > 0:39:49It was the absolute culmination of everything that my career
0:39:49 > 0:39:53- and indeed my interest in life had been building towards.- Mm-hm.
0:39:53 > 0:39:57I was given the nod to do the commentary alongside Huw Edwards
0:39:57 > 0:39:59at the 2012 Olympic opening ceremony.
0:39:59 > 0:40:00Oh, wow.
0:40:00 > 0:40:04And it was one of the most terrifying, wonderful experiences
0:40:04 > 0:40:07of my whole life, as you'd imagine.
0:40:07 > 0:40:13And whilst obviously Huw has the gravitas and the news journalism
0:40:13 > 0:40:17and the background for that, I was there to help, er...
0:40:17 > 0:40:21bring to life some of the sporting aspects of the ceremony
0:40:21 > 0:40:24and to be a part of it too. That night for me, it was... Oh!
0:40:24 > 0:40:28I've done, what, 13 Olympics now but that was the 12th one,
0:40:28 > 0:40:32and for me to have done masses and masses of research -
0:40:32 > 0:40:33there's 205 nations -
0:40:33 > 0:40:36Trying to find out about all the nations coming in,
0:40:36 > 0:40:38having something to say about their stars, their history,
0:40:38 > 0:40:41their interests and, again, it's the geography.
0:40:41 > 0:40:45It's all of - my interest in language - it's all coming together.
0:40:45 > 0:40:49I remember enjoying it so vividly and the images and the music
0:40:49 > 0:40:52and the noises and the smells.
0:40:52 > 0:40:54It will stay with me forever.
0:40:54 > 0:40:57It was a brilliant, brilliant moment.
0:41:02 > 0:41:06So, Hazel, what do you enjoy watching currently, at the moment?
0:41:06 > 0:41:09Besides your sport, how do you switch off?
0:41:09 > 0:41:12Yeah, I'm a real Scandi-noir girl.
0:41:12 > 0:41:14I love Scandic-noir.
0:41:14 > 0:41:16All the stuff that's coming out of Denmark and Sweden.
0:41:16 > 0:41:20The Bridge - brilliant, it's a Danish/Swedish collaboration.
0:41:20 > 0:41:24And The Killing was one of my favourites as well,
0:41:24 > 0:41:26and also Borgen from Denmark as well.
0:41:26 > 0:41:29Which is a kind of West Wing in Denmark.
0:41:29 > 0:41:33Very clever, beautifully acted and so I love all that.
0:41:33 > 0:41:35I think it's really great.
0:41:35 > 0:41:38- My kind of guilty pleasure, Brian, would be...- Go on.
0:41:38 > 0:41:39..The Apprentice.
0:41:39 > 0:41:41- Ah, The Apprentice.- Yeah.
0:41:41 > 0:41:43- And the reason is...- You're fired.
0:41:43 > 0:41:44Well, yeah, all that.
0:41:44 > 0:41:49I think you sign up for that, you know what you're signing up for.
0:41:49 > 0:41:51These guys all know what they're in for,
0:41:51 > 0:41:54and I know there's a lot of shouting and bawling
0:41:54 > 0:41:57and having a go at one another, but is a bit of a guilty pleasure.
0:41:57 > 0:41:59I'm forced to watch it on my own
0:41:59 > 0:42:02because the rest of my family won't watch it with me.
0:42:02 > 0:42:04So it is a sort of secret guilty pleasure.
0:42:04 > 0:42:06So have you gone full circle and now you're back in the kitchen,
0:42:06 > 0:42:08watching it on a very small little screen?
0:42:08 > 0:42:09Yes, that's the one thing
0:42:09 > 0:42:12I allow myself on my laptop to sit and watch.
0:42:12 > 0:42:16So we give our guests the opportunity now to pick a theme tune
0:42:16 > 0:42:18- for us to play out on.- Oh, right.
0:42:18 > 0:42:19What's it going to be?
0:42:19 > 0:42:22- Well, I think there's really only one.- Mm-hm?
0:42:22 > 0:42:24And it's got to be Grandstand, hasn't it?
0:42:24 > 0:42:25HE GASPS
0:42:25 > 0:42:27I love... Look, it's got a gasp from our audience here.
0:42:27 > 0:42:30- Well, it's kind of dear departed, really.- Yeah.
0:42:30 > 0:42:32But it was a programme that was so influential
0:42:32 > 0:42:36in my upbringing because it had all the best bits and Final Score
0:42:36 > 0:42:38and you watched it every Saturday, you couldn't miss it.
0:42:38 > 0:42:42To have had the opportunity to present it for 15 years or so
0:42:42 > 0:42:45was a real honour. I count myself very lucky to have done it.
0:42:45 > 0:42:48Well, it's been a real honour having you with us.
0:42:48 > 0:42:50Thank you very much, Brian. Thank you so much for having me.
0:42:50 > 0:42:52- It's been great.- Thank you. - Pleasure, thank you.
0:42:52 > 0:42:54- My thanks to Hazel.- Thank you.
0:42:54 > 0:42:56And my thanks to you for watching The TV That Made Me.
0:42:56 > 0:42:58- We'll see you next time, bye-bye. - Bye-bye.
0:42:58 > 0:43:02THEME FROM GRANDSTAND PLAYS