Mariella Frostrup

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0:00:02 > 0:00:03TV - the magic box of delights.

0:00:03 > 0:00:07As kids it showed us a million different worlds,

0:00:07 > 0:00:09all from our living room.

0:00:09 > 0:00:11This takes me right back.

0:00:11 > 0:00:12That's so embarrassing!

0:00:12 > 0:00:14I am genuinely shocked.

0:00:14 > 0:00:17Each day I'm going to journey through the wonderful world

0:00:17 > 0:00:21of telly with one of our favourite celebrities...

0:00:21 > 0:00:23It's just so silly.

0:00:23 > 0:00:26Ah! I love it! Is it Mr Benn?

0:00:26 > 0:00:28- SHE SINGS - Shut it!

0:00:28 > 0:00:31..as they select the iconic TV moments...

0:00:31 > 0:00:33- Oh, hello. - HE LAUGHS

0:00:33 > 0:00:36..that tell us the stories of their lives.

0:00:36 > 0:00:39- SHE GASPS - Oh, my gosh.

0:00:39 > 0:00:40Cheers.

0:00:40 > 0:00:43Some will make you laugh...

0:00:43 > 0:00:44Oh, no!

0:00:44 > 0:00:46..some will surprise...

0:00:46 > 0:00:48SHE SCREAMS

0:00:48 > 0:00:50..many will inspire...

0:00:50 > 0:00:53Look at this. Why wouldn't you want to watch this?

0:00:53 > 0:00:55..and others will move us.

0:00:55 > 0:00:57Seeing that there made a huge impact on me.

0:00:58 > 0:01:00Got a handkerchief?

0:01:01 > 0:01:04So come watch with us as we rewind

0:01:04 > 0:01:06to the classic telly that shaped

0:01:06 > 0:01:11those wide-eyed youngsters into the much-loved stars they are today.

0:01:20 > 0:01:22Welcome to The TV That Made Me.

0:01:22 > 0:01:25My guest today is not only a good booking, she likes a good book.

0:01:25 > 0:01:29So please welcome the lovely Mariella Frostrup.

0:01:29 > 0:01:31APPLAUSE

0:01:34 > 0:01:35Come and sit down.

0:01:38 > 0:01:40- Welcome.- Thank you.

0:01:40 > 0:01:43A journalist and presenter, whose husky tones were once

0:01:43 > 0:01:46voted some of the sexiest on TV.

0:01:46 > 0:01:50Mariella has fronted programmes like The Culture Show,

0:01:50 > 0:01:53as well as becoming a leading book and film critic.

0:01:54 > 0:01:58Among the TV that made her, an Irish institution...

0:01:58 > 0:02:01The fastest reel in the west, Ciaran MacMathuna just said.

0:02:01 > 0:02:03..a music show featuring Mariella herself...

0:02:03 > 0:02:06He described them as the Talking Heads for the 1990s.

0:02:06 > 0:02:10..and a satirical puppet show where no-one in the public eye was safe.

0:02:10 > 0:02:11What am I going to do?

0:02:11 > 0:02:14Well, today is a celebration of the TV that made you.

0:02:14 > 0:02:16TV highlights that you have chosen.

0:02:16 > 0:02:18Stuff that you've probably never seen for many years.

0:02:18 > 0:02:20But first we're going to rewind the clock now

0:02:20 > 0:02:23and have a look at a very young Mariella.

0:02:23 > 0:02:26- SHE GASPS - Oh, no.

0:02:26 > 0:02:29Mariella was born in Norway in 1962.

0:02:30 > 0:02:33At the age of six she moved to Ireland with her family,

0:02:33 > 0:02:36growing up in County Wicklow with her siblings.

0:02:38 > 0:02:41Her Norwegian father was a journalist for the Irish Times...

0:02:43 > 0:02:46..and her Scottish-born mother was an artist.

0:02:47 > 0:02:50So why did your parents move to Ireland?

0:02:50 > 0:02:51Well, they met...

0:02:51 > 0:02:55My mother is Scottish and my father was Norwegian.

0:02:55 > 0:02:56And they met in Edinburgh,

0:02:56 > 0:03:01because a lot of Norwegians go to university in Edinburgh.

0:03:01 > 0:03:04My mum was at art college, and they met there,

0:03:04 > 0:03:06and then she followed him back to Norway.

0:03:06 > 0:03:09Well, they got married and then she went back to Norway with him.

0:03:09 > 0:03:12But neither of them were very happy there,

0:03:12 > 0:03:15and they quite liked the sort of Celtic thing,

0:03:15 > 0:03:17and so we went on a holiday to Kerry

0:03:17 > 0:03:19and they fell in love with Ireland

0:03:19 > 0:03:23and my dad got offered a job as the foreign editor of the Irish Times.

0:03:23 > 0:03:24Oh, really?

0:03:24 > 0:03:25And so because of the job,

0:03:25 > 0:03:28and because they'd fallen in love with the place, we moved there.

0:03:28 > 0:03:31Did you watch much TV as a child?

0:03:31 > 0:03:34In Ireland they had two channels,

0:03:34 > 0:03:37and that was pretty much what we had to watch.

0:03:37 > 0:03:41So, no, television wasn't a huge feature of my childhood,

0:03:41 > 0:03:45but there are within that, kind of, golden moments.

0:03:45 > 0:03:47Because I suppose... Because we didn't watch very much,

0:03:47 > 0:03:49I remember everything we did watch.

0:03:55 > 0:03:59So we're going to bring you back to your earliest TV memory now, Mariella.

0:03:59 > 0:04:03This is something that involves animals.

0:04:03 > 0:04:05Can't mean the doctor's surgery, or maybe more like a vet?

0:04:05 > 0:04:07BRIAN CHUCKLES

0:04:07 > 0:04:10- Daktari.- Oh, my God.

0:04:13 > 0:04:17Swahili for "doctor," Daktari was a family drama series

0:04:17 > 0:04:19set in a veterinary clinic

0:04:19 > 0:04:22and animal sanctuary in Africa.

0:04:23 > 0:04:25It was such a sweet programme,

0:04:25 > 0:04:27and just made me want to travel to Africa.

0:04:29 > 0:04:31It followed the lives of Dr Tracy...

0:04:33 > 0:04:36.. and his daughter, Paula, and their unusual pets.

0:04:37 > 0:04:39You had Clarence the cross-eyed lion.

0:04:39 > 0:04:40He was my favourite.

0:04:40 > 0:04:42He was my absolute favourite.

0:04:42 > 0:04:45I had a stuffed lion that I called Clarence.

0:04:48 > 0:04:51Running for three years, from 1966,

0:04:51 > 0:04:53cross-eyed lion Clarence was a regular star.

0:04:53 > 0:04:55See that radio up there on the desk?

0:04:55 > 0:04:58Now, if you hear a sound out of that radio I want you to give me

0:04:58 > 0:04:59a nice big growl into THIS radio.

0:04:59 > 0:05:02- CLARENCE GROWLS - That's right, Clarence. Great.

0:05:02 > 0:05:06Oh, brilliant acting from Clarence, let's be honest. Very natural.

0:05:06 > 0:05:09If there were animal Oscars he'd definitely be a multi-award winner.

0:05:09 > 0:05:14Do you really want to act alongside something that could kill you at any moment?

0:05:14 > 0:05:18- I've worked with presenters who I thought might kill me at any moment. - LAUGHTER

0:05:18 > 0:05:20OK, Clarence. Here's your bone. Now...

0:05:20 > 0:05:22Did you see that?

0:05:22 > 0:05:23Did she just give him this giant bone?

0:05:23 > 0:05:25- Yeah, it's probably someone's leg. - Look.

0:05:27 > 0:05:29XYLOPHONE MUSIC

0:05:29 > 0:05:32Do you hear the music - ratcheting up the tension there with the music?

0:05:32 > 0:05:36Yeah, you can't beat a bit of xylophone, can you? I mean...

0:05:36 > 0:05:38For a suspense.

0:05:38 > 0:05:40That unnerving...

0:05:40 > 0:05:44And it was of course way before they had special effects or anything.

0:05:44 > 0:05:46To know that Clarence was cross-eyed

0:05:46 > 0:05:49the picture used to just shake like that

0:05:49 > 0:05:52when you saw things from Clarence's point of view.

0:05:54 > 0:05:57Oh, now we're going to see it, we're going to see it. Look, look, look!

0:05:57 > 0:05:59There's the squint, yeah. LAUGHTER

0:06:01 > 0:06:05So all they did was just double the image, wasn't it?

0:06:05 > 0:06:06Brilliant bit of trickery.

0:06:06 > 0:06:09So who would you have watched this with as a young child?

0:06:09 > 0:06:12I would have watched it with my brother Aksel and my sister Danielle.

0:06:12 > 0:06:15But I don't know that either of them remember it to the same extent.

0:06:15 > 0:06:21Maybe I was just at the age where it just impinged on my mind.

0:06:21 > 0:06:26Really, all my childhood I dreamt about having my own pet lion.

0:06:26 > 0:06:27HE LAUGHS

0:06:28 > 0:06:31- But they're hard to come by... - Ah, yes.

0:06:31 > 0:06:33- ..particularly in Ireland.- Yeah.

0:06:33 > 0:06:35- One day.- One day.

0:06:35 > 0:06:38I'll be a sort of old crabby lady

0:06:38 > 0:06:42living in the outback of Kenya with my lion.

0:06:42 > 0:06:46Ingenious animal stars were all the rage on TV in the 1960s.

0:06:46 > 0:06:50Gentle Ben over in the Florida Everglades was a tame black bear

0:06:50 > 0:06:55and clever companion to his young owner for two years, from 1967.

0:06:57 > 0:07:01Whilst in Australia, Skippy the Bush Kangaroo was another canny

0:07:01 > 0:07:07furry friend with his own series, starting a year later in 1968.

0:07:07 > 0:07:09But perhaps the ultimate in clever pets,

0:07:09 > 0:07:12if a bit more conventional, was Lassie.

0:07:12 > 0:07:16This resourceful and smart collie dog debuted on TV screens

0:07:16 > 0:07:21in 1954 and has been solving crime and rescuing the injured ever since.

0:07:22 > 0:07:25So, what, where was the telly situated?

0:07:25 > 0:07:30- Oh, I lived in 11 homes over ten years.- Oh, right.

0:07:30 > 0:07:34So there was no sort of, like, concrete mainstay base where you...?

0:07:34 > 0:07:37- There was one house... - And why did you move so much?

0:07:37 > 0:07:39My mother liked moving.

0:07:39 > 0:07:41LAUGHTER

0:07:41 > 0:07:44- Any sort of problem...- Move.

0:07:44 > 0:07:47..would be solved with a move.

0:07:47 > 0:07:51Any sort of issue, emotional, financial, always just,

0:07:51 > 0:07:53"Let's move on down the road."

0:07:53 > 0:07:56And she didn't drive, so if we moved, even if

0:07:56 > 0:07:59it was just a mile or two, then we'd change school and everything.

0:07:59 > 0:08:00So we moved quite a lot.

0:08:00 > 0:08:02There was one house,

0:08:02 > 0:08:04the very first house that we...

0:08:04 > 0:08:07The only house, actually, that we owned in Ireland

0:08:07 > 0:08:10was when we first moved there, when my parents were still together.

0:08:10 > 0:08:12And it was in Kilmacanogue, outside of Bray,

0:08:12 > 0:08:15and I do remember where the television was there,

0:08:15 > 0:08:17cos it was a converted stables and...

0:08:17 > 0:08:20I thought of it, really, as our family home, as a child.

0:08:20 > 0:08:23And then only recently I realised that we'd only lived there

0:08:23 > 0:08:24for about two and a half years.

0:08:24 > 0:08:27- Hmm.- But it felt like an eternity, you know?

0:08:27 > 0:08:29The living room was just along from my bedroom.

0:08:29 > 0:08:31And that was where the TV was,

0:08:31 > 0:08:33in case you're wondering where I'm going with this.

0:08:33 > 0:08:37But it's also where I managed to watch,

0:08:37 > 0:08:39without my parents knowing,

0:08:39 > 0:08:42a whole season of Hitchcock films...

0:08:42 > 0:08:45- Ah!- ..through the crack in the living room door.

0:08:45 > 0:08:47And I used to have to walk about a mile and a half

0:08:47 > 0:08:49to get the bus to school,

0:08:49 > 0:08:51down this country lane

0:08:51 > 0:08:53that was just full of crows.

0:08:53 > 0:08:55- Ooh, The Birds!- And, of course,

0:08:55 > 0:08:57I couldn't admit that I'd watched the film

0:08:57 > 0:08:58through the crack in the door,

0:08:58 > 0:09:02and, for about six months, I don't think I've ever felt fear like it.

0:09:02 > 0:09:04I used to set off from the house every morning thinking,

0:09:04 > 0:09:06"Don't panic, don't panic.

0:09:06 > 0:09:07"They're not going to attack you".

0:09:07 > 0:09:10And it was really, really terrifying.

0:09:10 > 0:09:12I mean, I traumatised myself.

0:09:12 > 0:09:14Did you watch anything else

0:09:14 > 0:09:15- through the crack in the door? - Psycho.

0:09:15 > 0:09:17Ooh, Psycho! Did you really? SHE LAUGHS

0:09:17 > 0:09:18LAUGHTER

0:09:18 > 0:09:19So you never took a shower?

0:09:19 > 0:09:21- Never washed. - So there was this...?

0:09:21 > 0:09:23- LAUGHTER - I said we were quite scruffy.

0:09:23 > 0:09:25..stinky kid, who used to walk a mile and a half...

0:09:25 > 0:09:27Terrified of birds.

0:09:27 > 0:09:29- HE LAUGHS - You're getting the picture.

0:09:29 > 0:09:31All because of the crack in the door.

0:09:35 > 0:09:40Well, your next choice is from your time in Ireland.

0:09:40 > 0:09:43This is John Kenneally, ladies and gentlemen, from... Where are you from, John?

0:09:43 > 0:09:46The Late, Late Show.

0:09:46 > 0:09:50Still running after 54 years on a Friday night,

0:09:50 > 0:09:52The Late Late Show continues to be

0:09:52 > 0:09:55Ireland's most popular television chat show.

0:09:55 > 0:09:57- It was such an institution, this programme.- Mmm.

0:09:57 > 0:09:59It really was, you know,

0:09:59 > 0:10:03national viewing on a scale that you just don't get any more.

0:10:03 > 0:10:05- Everyone in the country who had a television.- Yeah.

0:10:05 > 0:10:08If you didn't, you'd go to someone else's house to watch it.

0:10:08 > 0:10:09Everyone used to watch it.

0:10:09 > 0:10:14From its debut in 1962, it was fronted by presenter Gay Byrne

0:10:14 > 0:10:18almost continuously for the next 37 years.

0:10:18 > 0:10:20The fastest reel in the West...

0:10:20 > 0:10:22- LAUGHTER - The fastest reel in the West, I see.

0:10:22 > 0:10:23Oh, he's going to do a bit of dancing.

0:10:23 > 0:10:25He's going to be doing a bit of dancing.

0:10:25 > 0:10:28ACCORDION PLAYS Here he... Ooh!

0:10:28 > 0:10:29CHEERING, SHE LAUGHS

0:10:30 > 0:10:32THEY LAUGH

0:10:35 > 0:10:38- Simon Cowell will be after him. - LAUGHTER ON TELEVISION

0:10:38 > 0:10:39ACCORDION PLAYS

0:10:40 > 0:10:41LAUGHTER ON TELEVISION

0:10:45 > 0:10:46You see, that's why...

0:10:46 > 0:10:49When you're brought up in Ireland, you're not really impressed by fame

0:10:49 > 0:10:51or any of those things, cos we had men like this.

0:10:51 > 0:10:53- Yes.- Who could do things like that.

0:10:53 > 0:10:54LAUGHTER

0:10:57 > 0:10:59APPLAUSE ON TELEVISION Here he goes.

0:10:59 > 0:11:01Yes!

0:11:01 > 0:11:02APPLAUSE

0:11:04 > 0:11:06Have you noticed he's not even broken into a bead of sweat?

0:11:06 > 0:11:08- Oh, puts his coat back on straight away.- Yeah.

0:11:08 > 0:11:10"I'm freezing in here. Let me get my coat on".

0:11:10 > 0:11:14An Irish man is only naked when he's got his vest and socks on.

0:11:14 > 0:11:17It just reminds me of what a really odd time

0:11:17 > 0:11:20the '70s were, particularly there.

0:11:20 > 0:11:24But also just how dramatically the world has changed

0:11:24 > 0:11:27in what feels like a not particularly long lifespan.

0:11:27 > 0:11:30- Yeah.- If you think, that was absolutely...

0:11:31 > 0:11:33- ..state of the art... - HE LAUGHS

0:11:33 > 0:11:36..television viewing. Quality.

0:11:36 > 0:11:37That whole thing...

0:11:37 > 0:11:39You look at shows now, like Britain's Got Talent

0:11:39 > 0:11:41and The X Factor and everything,

0:11:41 > 0:11:42and all they are, in a way,

0:11:42 > 0:11:46are just repeats of the kind of variety shows that happened before.

0:11:46 > 0:11:49And everything is just on a sort of loop.

0:11:49 > 0:11:52That's what you realise, I think, as you get older.

0:11:52 > 0:11:55Many hosts of long-running chat shows have gone on to become

0:11:55 > 0:11:57giants of the broadcasting world.

0:11:58 > 0:12:00Sir Terry Wogan was one of the most

0:12:00 > 0:12:03popular presenters of British television ever.

0:12:03 > 0:12:06His chat show ran for a decade, from 1982,

0:12:06 > 0:12:09cementing him as a hugely loved household name.

0:12:11 > 0:12:13Ten years earlier,

0:12:13 > 0:12:15Russell Harty had already started

0:12:15 > 0:12:17his famously unpredictable chat show,

0:12:17 > 0:12:20that ran for the next 12 years.

0:12:22 > 0:12:25By the late '70s, singer and comedian

0:12:25 > 0:12:28Des O'Connor began hosting his own talk show

0:12:28 > 0:12:31that played on our screens

0:12:31 > 0:12:32for an impressive 25 years.

0:12:34 > 0:12:36But one of our greatest chat show hosts,

0:12:36 > 0:12:39and nearly catching up with Gay Byrne's 37 years,

0:12:39 > 0:12:43it's Michael Parkinson, whose own series ran off and on

0:12:43 > 0:12:47for 36 years, from 1971 to 2007.

0:12:49 > 0:12:50So, The Late Late Show.

0:12:50 > 0:12:54Was this something that the whole family would gather around to watch?

0:12:54 > 0:12:57Well, it was on quite late, that's why it's called The Late Late Show.

0:12:57 > 0:12:58I was allowed to watch it.

0:12:58 > 0:13:01I'm not sure if my brother and sister were. Probably not.

0:13:01 > 0:13:04So what else would you watch together?

0:13:04 > 0:13:07Not much else. We weren't allowed to watch television during the week.

0:13:07 > 0:13:11- We were only allowed to watch it at weekends. I'm not sure there was much on during the week.- Really?

0:13:11 > 0:13:15- What was that thing called...? - Was it rationed out, was it?

0:13:15 > 0:13:17My parents were very...

0:13:17 > 0:13:19you know, against newfangled things,

0:13:19 > 0:13:21- like television. - SHE LAUGHS

0:13:21 > 0:13:23But they sort of felt we should, you know...

0:13:23 > 0:13:26- That too much television would pollute you.- Mmm.

0:13:26 > 0:13:31And distract you from more important, you know, erudite things.

0:13:31 > 0:13:33And they were very encouraging with reading.

0:13:33 > 0:13:36- Things, to be honest, that I'm quite grateful for.- Mm-hmm.

0:13:41 > 0:13:43So was your dad a comedy buff?

0:13:43 > 0:13:46My dad was an extremely morose Scandinavian.

0:13:46 > 0:13:47LAUGHTER Oh, really?

0:13:47 > 0:13:51He was all angst and intellectual pursuits.

0:13:51 > 0:13:52My mum was much more into,

0:13:52 > 0:13:54- you know, funny stuff.- Really?

0:13:54 > 0:13:56And The Goons

0:13:56 > 0:14:00were definitely a feature in our house.

0:14:00 > 0:14:03We just loved all of those characters.

0:14:03 > 0:14:05Shall we have a little look at Peter Sellers?

0:14:05 > 0:14:06- Oh, I love Peter Sellers! - Yeah?

0:14:06 > 0:14:08Here we go. Let's have a look.

0:14:08 > 0:14:12- It wasn't so much that, it was Clouseau that we loved.- Ah, yes.

0:14:12 > 0:14:15- COD FRENCH ACCENT: When he is Inspector Clouseau. - The Pink Panther.

0:14:15 > 0:14:18COD FRENCH ACCENT: Here it is. The beumb.

0:14:18 > 0:14:21My name is Professor Guy Gabroir,

0:14:21 > 0:14:24medieval castle authority from Marseille.

0:14:24 > 0:14:25Tell me...

0:14:25 > 0:14:27do you have a reum?

0:14:27 > 0:14:29- Very deadpan, though.- Yeah.

0:14:29 > 0:14:31HE MIMICS PETER SELLERS

0:14:31 > 0:14:34SHE MIMICS PETER SELLERS

0:14:34 > 0:14:37As one of The Goons, Peter Sellers had already demonstrated

0:14:37 > 0:14:40his brilliance with creating characters and voices.

0:14:40 > 0:14:43But, for many, it's as Inspector Clouseau,

0:14:43 > 0:14:45starting in 1963,

0:14:45 > 0:14:47that he will, perhaps, be best remembered.

0:14:47 > 0:14:49Argh!

0:14:49 > 0:14:50THEY LAUGH

0:14:52 > 0:14:54PLODDING MUSIC

0:14:54 > 0:14:57I think the music's funny as well. Just the way it sort of...

0:14:57 > 0:15:00- And they're brilliantly directed. - ..slowly plods. Yeah.

0:15:00 > 0:15:03And the timing. I mean, his comic timing.

0:15:03 > 0:15:04LAUGHTER

0:15:11 > 0:15:12Argh! Argh!

0:15:12 > 0:15:14Have you noticed how you know...?

0:15:14 > 0:15:16THEY LAUGH You just knew that was coming!

0:15:16 > 0:15:18You know just before it happens

0:15:18 > 0:15:20- exactly what's going to happen. - Yeah.

0:15:20 > 0:15:22That's one of the funniest things about it.

0:15:24 > 0:15:27THEY LAUGH That bloomin' car's gone out again.

0:15:27 > 0:15:28SHE LAUGHS

0:15:28 > 0:15:29If he just stood there, he would've got...

0:15:29 > 0:15:31LAUGHTER

0:15:38 > 0:15:40Oh, we love Peter Sellers.

0:15:40 > 0:15:42I love Peter Sellers.

0:15:42 > 0:15:44But...but he's just hilarious.

0:15:44 > 0:15:48- I mean, he brought light into our lives.- Yeah.

0:15:48 > 0:15:51There was also something kind of surreally humorous about it,

0:15:51 > 0:15:54- at the time.- Yeah. - It was completely different.

0:15:54 > 0:15:56And there's just not so many funny people.

0:15:56 > 0:15:58Now, we've got a lot of people that say funny things,

0:15:58 > 0:16:01but I just don't think there's as many funny people,

0:16:01 > 0:16:04sort of just funny bones. Naturally funny.

0:16:04 > 0:16:06I don't know. I think it's also to do with the fact

0:16:06 > 0:16:10that they're not given the same amount of room to develop, in a way.

0:16:10 > 0:16:14- You know, he was given an awful lot of artistic licence.- Yeah.

0:16:14 > 0:16:17And I think it's got more to do with the constant churning out,

0:16:17 > 0:16:19and everything has to be successful immediately.

0:16:19 > 0:16:22- A genuine funny man. I mean... You know?- Yeah.

0:16:22 > 0:16:24And I've always... Anything that makes me laugh.

0:16:24 > 0:16:27I'm... I think it's so important to laugh.

0:16:27 > 0:16:31And we get rare enough occasions in life.

0:16:31 > 0:16:33You know, you have to kind of really...

0:16:33 > 0:16:34nurture that.

0:16:34 > 0:16:38So we've established that you moved to Ireland from Norway.

0:16:38 > 0:16:40And then what happened after that?

0:16:40 > 0:16:43- Then we moved around Ireland incessantly.- Yeah.

0:16:43 > 0:16:44And then...

0:16:44 > 0:16:47and then my father died when I was 15

0:16:47 > 0:16:49and I sort of decided at that point

0:16:49 > 0:16:52that I'd had enough of adults,

0:16:52 > 0:16:56and that I was adult enough to shape my own destiny,

0:16:56 > 0:16:58so I decided to move out of Ireland.

0:16:58 > 0:17:00Yeah, I wanted to go to London.

0:17:00 > 0:17:04My dad had been offered a job at the Sunday Times

0:17:04 > 0:17:06when I was younger.

0:17:06 > 0:17:08And he didn't take it in the end.

0:17:08 > 0:17:09He was an alcoholic.

0:17:09 > 0:17:13And he just couldn't rise to the challenge of anything

0:17:13 > 0:17:15that took him out of the...

0:17:15 > 0:17:18sort of day-to-day...

0:17:18 > 0:17:20the cycle of his life.

0:17:20 > 0:17:22And, I think, the pub.

0:17:22 > 0:17:26And so he didn't take that chance.

0:17:26 > 0:17:27And I think, because of that, in a way,

0:17:27 > 0:17:31it just stayed in my head as a...kind of dream.

0:17:31 > 0:17:36I felt like it was time for me to, kind of, grab opportunities in life.

0:17:36 > 0:17:39- I think, also, if you are confronted with mortality...- Mmm.

0:17:39 > 0:17:43..your own mortality and a parent's mortality at that age,

0:17:43 > 0:17:45you really do want to get on with your life.

0:17:45 > 0:17:48You don't want... You sort of think it could be over at any minute,

0:17:48 > 0:17:51so I've just got to go and forge a path now.

0:17:51 > 0:17:53So I went.

0:17:53 > 0:17:55I moved to London with... actually a friend -

0:17:55 > 0:17:58it must have been 1979, I think -

0:17:58 > 0:18:01to a squat in West London,

0:18:01 > 0:18:02full of Irish people.

0:18:02 > 0:18:04- So it didn't... - LAUGHTER

0:18:04 > 0:18:06..it didn't really feel like I'd gone very far

0:18:06 > 0:18:08for the first few months.

0:18:08 > 0:18:10And then... Yeah.

0:18:10 > 0:18:13And then that was it. I stayed, and I stayed in London.

0:18:13 > 0:18:15You must have had a great time in those early days.

0:18:15 > 0:18:18- Well, the first few years were quite difficult.- Mmm.

0:18:18 > 0:18:19You know, I didn't have any money.

0:18:19 > 0:18:21You'd take any job you could get.

0:18:21 > 0:18:24I worked in a pub, I worked as a waitress on the King's Road,

0:18:24 > 0:18:26which was very exciting then,

0:18:26 > 0:18:28cos it was sort of during the punk heyday.

0:18:28 > 0:18:30And all of those... The Sex Pistols,

0:18:30 > 0:18:33and Bob Geldof had moved over from Dublin,

0:18:33 > 0:18:34you know, and The Boomtown Rats.

0:18:34 > 0:18:37And all of them, the King's Road on a Saturday afternoon,

0:18:37 > 0:18:40was just some of the craziest sights you've ever seen.

0:18:40 > 0:18:44And, for a young girl, just come over on the boat,

0:18:44 > 0:18:48it was just like the world had started all over again.

0:18:48 > 0:18:50This was a completely different universe, you know?

0:18:56 > 0:18:58It's time to move on to the category of show

0:18:58 > 0:19:01that's like a nice bowl of tomato soup

0:19:01 > 0:19:03with bread and butter.

0:19:03 > 0:19:05Here it is. Your comfort TV.

0:19:05 > 0:19:07# Saturday, Saturday... #

0:19:07 > 0:19:08Tiswas.

0:19:08 > 0:19:11Oh! Saturday mornings!

0:19:11 > 0:19:13With a hangover.

0:19:13 > 0:19:16The ultimate in anarchic kids' TV shows,

0:19:16 > 0:19:19Tiswas livened up our Saturday mornings for eight years,

0:19:19 > 0:19:21beginning in 1974.

0:19:21 > 0:19:23Hosted by Chris Tarrant, amongst others,

0:19:23 > 0:19:25it's improvised feel was partly down to

0:19:25 > 0:19:28a lack of script or autocue.

0:19:28 > 0:19:31I watched it religiously.

0:19:31 > 0:19:34- Chris Tarrant, Lenny Henry...- Yeah.

0:19:34 > 0:19:35It was the sort of programme

0:19:35 > 0:19:38- that there really isn't now on a Saturday morning.- I know, I know.

0:19:38 > 0:19:41Which was... It was perfect for children and adults.

0:19:41 > 0:19:44I loved it. I just loved the...

0:19:44 > 0:19:47- The anarchy of it, you know?- Yeah, it was completely anarchic.- Yeah.

0:19:47 > 0:19:50And I quite liked that. And the thought that television...

0:19:50 > 0:19:52Remember, this is someone who has been brought up on a diet

0:19:52 > 0:19:54- of The Late Late Show. - Mm-hmm.

0:19:54 > 0:19:58To suddenly see adults behaving like that...

0:19:58 > 0:20:01A suicidal Japanese fighter pilot crashed his plane...

0:20:01 > 0:20:02Pardon?

0:20:02 > 0:20:03LAUGHTER ON TELEVISION

0:20:03 > 0:20:04SHE LAUGHS

0:20:09 > 0:20:10SHE LAUGHS

0:20:10 > 0:20:11- The audience...- I know.

0:20:11 > 0:20:15You've got it lucky! Look at them all locked in the cage.

0:20:15 > 0:20:16Well...

0:20:16 > 0:20:17good morning, Daddy.

0:20:17 > 0:20:19LAUGHTER ON TELEVISION

0:20:19 > 0:20:21I don't know if it's just naivete on my part,

0:20:21 > 0:20:22but it really...

0:20:22 > 0:20:25I always felt that it looked like it was totally live.

0:20:25 > 0:20:27- Like these things did happen as total surprises.- Oh, it was.

0:20:27 > 0:20:29Yeah, I think, without a doubt.

0:20:29 > 0:20:31But, you know, yes, it was for the kids,

0:20:31 > 0:20:34but I think the parents watched it...

0:20:35 > 0:20:36..more than they did.

0:20:36 > 0:20:37I was 17

0:20:37 > 0:20:40when I would have been watching it, without children.

0:20:40 > 0:20:43Reports are coming in that Mr Albert Shortfuse,

0:20:43 > 0:20:45who is known as the human cannonball,

0:20:45 > 0:20:47was still stuck in the barrel of a cannon...

0:20:47 > 0:20:49And there hasn't really been anything like it since.

0:20:49 > 0:20:51The doctor has tied a rope around his ankles

0:20:51 > 0:20:54and says he is certain that the man will pull through.

0:20:54 > 0:20:56LAUGHTER ON TELEVISION

0:20:56 > 0:20:59- Tiswas was an absolute institution.- Mmm.

0:20:59 > 0:21:03And...particularly in my late teens.

0:21:03 > 0:21:05You know, when you would, obviously,

0:21:05 > 0:21:07have gone out on a Friday night and wake up

0:21:07 > 0:21:10- slightly incapacitated on a Saturday morning.- This was hango TV for you.

0:21:10 > 0:21:12Totally, totally hangover television.

0:21:12 > 0:21:14I'd lie there, like this, thinking,

0:21:14 > 0:21:16"I'll never do that again. I'll never do that again.

0:21:16 > 0:21:19"But I'm not moving till Sunday."

0:21:19 > 0:21:21And then watch that.

0:21:21 > 0:21:23So what did you do for a living?

0:21:23 > 0:21:27I got a job at about 18...

0:21:27 > 0:21:30Yeah, 18 or 19, at a record company, Phonogram,

0:21:30 > 0:21:32working as an assistant in the PR department.

0:21:32 > 0:21:36It was the '80s and record companies had so much money.

0:21:36 > 0:21:39They were like banks. It was unbelievable.

0:21:39 > 0:21:42I was 19 years old and I was flying to America,

0:21:42 > 0:21:44bringing journalists, who were the same age as me

0:21:44 > 0:21:46to see bands who were the same age as me.

0:21:46 > 0:21:49And we were all, you know, partying.

0:21:49 > 0:21:52And, you know, it was an incredible thing to be able to do at that age.

0:21:52 > 0:21:54- Yeah.- I saw half the world as a result.

0:21:54 > 0:21:57It was just really exciting and I was really, really lucky.

0:21:57 > 0:21:59And I did that until my mid-20s.

0:21:59 > 0:22:01You worked on Live Aid?

0:22:01 > 0:22:03I worked on Live Aid.

0:22:03 > 0:22:05Well, I worked with Bob Geldof, I worked on Band Aid.

0:22:05 > 0:22:08I was there that morning, when they recorded that single.

0:22:08 > 0:22:11- I remember when they recorded it. - Which was incredibly exciting.

0:22:11 > 0:22:14# Feed the world

0:22:14 > 0:22:16# Let them know

0:22:16 > 0:22:19# It's Christmas time... #

0:22:19 > 0:22:21It felt like an incredible and important

0:22:21 > 0:22:23- moment in, sort of, pop culture. - Yeah.

0:22:23 > 0:22:24INSTRUMENTAL PLAYS

0:22:24 > 0:22:29# Feed the world. #

0:22:29 > 0:22:32INSTRUMENTAL PLAYS

0:22:32 > 0:22:33- And you were part of it.- Yeah!

0:22:39 > 0:22:42So, Mariella, it's your TV heart-throb.

0:22:42 > 0:22:45DALLAS THEME PLAYS

0:22:45 > 0:22:46Oh, my...

0:22:46 > 0:22:47Bobby Ewing!

0:22:47 > 0:22:49My Bobby Ewing! My Bobby! LAUGHTER

0:22:49 > 0:22:51- Loved him!- Really?

0:22:51 > 0:22:53Oh, I loved him. This is going to be so embarrassing.

0:22:55 > 0:22:58From 1978, the melodramatic lives

0:22:58 > 0:23:00of the oil-rich Ewing family

0:23:00 > 0:23:02dominated our screens.

0:23:05 > 0:23:08Look at him! Oh!

0:23:08 > 0:23:10Just think, if I could have landed him...

0:23:10 > 0:23:12LAUGHTER

0:23:12 > 0:23:14..I would have been an oil baroness

0:23:14 > 0:23:16in Texas now.

0:23:16 > 0:23:19Miss Ellie, I was wondering if Cora Kincaid

0:23:19 > 0:23:22called about the membership meeting for the Daughters of the Alamo?

0:23:22 > 0:23:24That really doesn't look like a film set, does it?

0:23:24 > 0:23:27- No, not at all(!) Beautiful interior as well, isn't it?- Oh, yes.

0:23:27 > 0:23:29Mama, Daddy is with Julie Gray right at this minute,

0:23:29 > 0:23:33- and I want to know what you intend doing about it.- JR, shut up.

0:23:33 > 0:23:36As the younger of two brothers, Bobby Ewing was the good guy.

0:23:36 > 0:23:38The Abel to JR's Cain -

0:23:38 > 0:23:41the older brother whose schemes and dirty business

0:23:41 > 0:23:43became the hallmark of the show.

0:23:45 > 0:23:48- Brilliant acting, though(!) - Oh!- Brilliant.

0:23:48 > 0:23:50Did you tell her? Is that how she found out?

0:23:50 > 0:23:52- Somebody had to say something. - Not that!

0:23:52 > 0:23:53And there's your heart-throb.

0:23:53 > 0:23:56Look at him. And always so well turned out.

0:23:56 > 0:23:59Well-dressed. And, of course, he went on to Man from Atlantis.

0:23:59 > 0:24:01- Yeah, I didn't love him any more then.- No?

0:24:01 > 0:24:02No, I was a bit fickle. I went off him.

0:24:02 > 0:24:04Just butt out of it, you hear me? Leave him alone!

0:24:04 > 0:24:06Not on your life! Hey!

0:24:06 > 0:24:07Bobby, Bobby!

0:24:07 > 0:24:10- Oh, this is classic television. - Oh, riveting.- Yeah.

0:24:10 > 0:24:13When you are brought up on a diet of quality like this,

0:24:13 > 0:24:14it's very hard to settle for second best.

0:24:14 > 0:24:15LAUGHTER

0:24:17 > 0:24:18It wouldn't have done any good.

0:24:18 > 0:24:21It'd done me some good. It'd helped me a whole hell of a lot.

0:24:21 > 0:24:23- That was pure glamour.- Mmm.

0:24:23 > 0:24:27- Again, a whole other world. - Escapism.- Escapism, total escapism.

0:24:27 > 0:24:29- And fabulous. The drama!- Yeah.

0:24:29 > 0:24:31- The shoulder pads. - The shoulder pads.

0:24:31 > 0:24:33- It was like Greek tragedy.- Yeah.

0:24:33 > 0:24:36You know, the depths of despair, the heights of ecstasy,

0:24:36 > 0:24:40- the affairs, the revenge... - Mmm.

0:24:40 > 0:24:41Yeah, unmissable.

0:24:47 > 0:24:50Now we move on to your TV hero, Mariella.

0:24:50 > 0:24:54One of my all-time comedy gods,

0:24:54 > 0:24:56it is the legend

0:24:56 > 0:24:58that is the one and only...

0:24:58 > 0:25:00- Tommy Cooper.- Oh, Lordy.

0:25:00 > 0:25:02APPLAUSE ON TELEVISION

0:25:02 > 0:25:04Listen to that from the audience.

0:25:06 > 0:25:09After his TV debut in 1947,

0:25:09 > 0:25:13Tommy Cooper made us laugh for the next 36 years.

0:25:13 > 0:25:15Oh, there's a pound note.

0:25:15 > 0:25:16- QUIET LAUGHTER - I thought it was...

0:25:16 > 0:25:18His whole body language and everything.

0:25:18 > 0:25:20He is brilliant, isn't he?

0:25:20 > 0:25:22Just a funny man, like Peter Sellers.

0:25:22 > 0:25:25Really funny, really gifted.

0:25:25 > 0:25:29- And, again, sort of allowed enough rope to do his own thing.- Yeah.

0:25:30 > 0:25:32I want to make the white one,

0:25:32 > 0:25:33so it will come to the top.

0:25:34 > 0:25:36AUDIENCE LAUGHS

0:25:36 > 0:25:39His trademark fez dated back to wartime Cairo,

0:25:39 > 0:25:41where, whilst performing for the troops,

0:25:41 > 0:25:43he borrowed a passing waiter's hat.

0:25:43 > 0:25:45After getting a huge laugh,

0:25:45 > 0:25:47he kept it as part of his routine,

0:25:47 > 0:25:49and the rest is history.

0:25:49 > 0:25:51Look at that.

0:25:51 > 0:25:53- MAN SHOUTS:- Put it in the middle!

0:25:53 > 0:25:54- HE WHISPERS:- Shut up.

0:25:54 > 0:25:55AUDIENCE LAUGHS

0:25:56 > 0:25:58In the middle? All right. How's that?

0:25:58 > 0:25:59AUDIENCE LAUGHS

0:25:59 > 0:26:00APPLAUSE

0:26:00 > 0:26:02How's that?

0:26:03 > 0:26:07- No expense spared on the set, as you can see.- Yeah, yeah.

0:26:07 > 0:26:08AUDIENCE LAUGHS

0:26:11 > 0:26:12HE SIGHS HEAVILY

0:26:12 > 0:26:14AUDIENCE LAUGHS

0:26:14 > 0:26:15APPLAUSE

0:26:17 > 0:26:19He just...

0:26:19 > 0:26:23- You don't know if it's for real or not, do you?- No.

0:26:23 > 0:26:24But that was one of the things.

0:26:24 > 0:26:26I think, in the same way as Clouseau,

0:26:26 > 0:26:28he keeps you on the edge of your seat,

0:26:28 > 0:26:30cos you're not quite sure where

0:26:30 > 0:26:32- comedy and tragedy meet with him.- Yeah.

0:26:32 > 0:26:36And where disaster and success meet.

0:26:36 > 0:26:39Do you think it stands the test of time?

0:26:39 > 0:26:40Well...

0:26:40 > 0:26:42- Yeah, just listen to the audience. - I think yeah.

0:26:42 > 0:26:44Yeah, without a doubt.

0:26:44 > 0:26:47- I think great comedy does.- Yeah. - I think that's what great comedy is.

0:26:47 > 0:26:49It's something... It's universal, you know?

0:26:49 > 0:26:51And it translates for everybody.

0:26:51 > 0:26:53So did you ever meet Tommy Cooper?

0:26:53 > 0:26:55Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. That's...

0:26:55 > 0:26:57In a way, that's why I started watching him,

0:26:57 > 0:26:59because I didn't know that much about him.

0:26:59 > 0:27:02I met him when I was about 14 in Dublin,

0:27:02 > 0:27:04and I had a Saturday job,

0:27:04 > 0:27:06working in a restaurant called The Blackboard.

0:27:06 > 0:27:09And he came in on a Saturday night with his wife,

0:27:09 > 0:27:10and I was their waitress.

0:27:10 > 0:27:13And they were having dinner and, at a certain point,

0:27:13 > 0:27:15he went off to go to the loo.

0:27:15 > 0:27:18And five minutes went by,

0:27:18 > 0:27:22ten minutes went by, 15 minutes went by.

0:27:22 > 0:27:26And, eventually, his wife called me over and she said,

0:27:26 > 0:27:28"Have you seen my husband?"

0:27:28 > 0:27:29And I didn't know.

0:27:29 > 0:27:32I said, "Well, no. I think he went to the bathroom".

0:27:32 > 0:27:33And she said,

0:27:33 > 0:27:35"You couldn't possibly go and check on him, could you?"

0:27:35 > 0:27:38And the only man in the restaurant at the time was the chef,

0:27:38 > 0:27:40and he was in the middle of cooking,

0:27:40 > 0:27:41so I had to go down into the gents',

0:27:41 > 0:27:44and he was fast asleep, sitting on the toilet.

0:27:44 > 0:27:45LAUGHTER No!

0:27:45 > 0:27:49And I had to wake him up and send him back upstairs to his wife.

0:27:49 > 0:27:51But he was...actually very sweet when he woke up.

0:27:51 > 0:27:52He just sort of went...

0:27:52 > 0:27:55"Oh, thank you". Just kind of pulled himself together,

0:27:55 > 0:27:57went back upstairs, sat down and finished his dinner,

0:27:57 > 0:27:58having had his little nap.

0:27:58 > 0:28:00LAUGHTER

0:28:00 > 0:28:02So I watched him more avidly after that.

0:28:02 > 0:28:06Now, he also made the fez one of the most iconic hats on TV.

0:28:06 > 0:28:08- Yes.- But I've got a few more now.

0:28:08 > 0:28:10Do you remember Tommy Cooper used to do the hat routine

0:28:10 > 0:28:12- where he used to put them on?- Yeah.

0:28:12 > 0:28:13So I've got a few more hats now,

0:28:13 > 0:28:15and I'm going to model them.

0:28:17 > 0:28:20I want you to tell me, who does this one belong to?

0:28:20 > 0:28:23Are you going to do any sort of acting to go with it?

0:28:23 > 0:28:25LAUGHTER

0:28:25 > 0:28:27- Do you think I have do? - Just a little clue.

0:28:27 > 0:28:29A little something. A little, you know...

0:28:29 > 0:28:31Just a tiny little...

0:28:31 > 0:28:32- OK. Are you ready?- Yeah.

0:28:32 > 0:28:34- Really?! - Oh, Rik, Rik, Rik Mayall!

0:28:34 > 0:28:37- Rik, Rik, Rik Mayall.- Yes. Yeah, Rik Mayall. Young One.

0:28:37 > 0:28:38I have no idea...

0:28:38 > 0:28:41You see, this is quite difficult for me, because I haven't...

0:28:41 > 0:28:43- LAUGHTER - ..watched that much television,

0:28:43 > 0:28:45but I'm afraid this is so iconic

0:28:45 > 0:28:47- that I am going to get it right. - Yeah. Yes.

0:28:47 > 0:28:50- It's Coronation Street.- Yes.

0:28:50 > 0:28:51And it's Hilda Ogden.

0:28:51 > 0:28:53- APPLAUSE - I mean...

0:28:53 > 0:28:55- She is a kind of British icon.- Yep.

0:28:55 > 0:28:57Oh.

0:28:59 > 0:29:01- Is that Auf Wiedersehen, Pet?- No.

0:29:01 > 0:29:03- Or... - LAUGHTER

0:29:03 > 0:29:05- Steptoe and Son? - It's Yorkshire.

0:29:05 > 0:29:07- IN YORKSHIRE ACCENT:- Yorkshire?

0:29:07 > 0:29:09- IN YORKSHIRE ACCENT: Yorkshire. - Marjorie?

0:29:09 > 0:29:11Do you want to ask the audience?

0:29:11 > 0:29:12- Help!- Compo!

0:29:12 > 0:29:13Compo!

0:29:13 > 0:29:14Compo?

0:29:14 > 0:29:17- He's in Last of the Summer Wine. - Last of the Summer Wine!

0:29:17 > 0:29:20- I've heard of that.- So...this one?

0:29:20 > 0:29:21I...

0:29:21 > 0:29:25OK, so he used to pick up rubbish in Wimbledon.

0:29:25 > 0:29:26Oh! Oh, The Wombles?

0:29:26 > 0:29:28- Yes!- Uncle...

0:29:28 > 0:29:30- BOTH:- Uncle Bulgaria!

0:29:30 > 0:29:32- We go for the finale.- How could I have forgotten The Wombles?

0:29:32 > 0:29:33The finale.

0:29:33 > 0:29:36- Noddy Holder. - It's Christmaaas!- Christmas!

0:29:36 > 0:29:38LAUGHTER

0:29:38 > 0:29:39Well done indeed. You've done well there.

0:29:39 > 0:29:41You deserve a round of applause. Thank you.

0:29:41 > 0:29:43- APPLAUSE - You were very helpful, though.

0:29:43 > 0:29:45- Thank you.- I've messed me hair up and everything.

0:29:51 > 0:29:53This was your must see TV.

0:29:53 > 0:29:55BELL RINGS

0:29:55 > 0:29:58Starting in the early '90s, Absolutely Fabulous poked fun

0:29:58 > 0:30:00at the glamorous world of PR and fashion

0:30:00 > 0:30:03for five hilarious series.

0:30:03 > 0:30:06Jennifer Saunders just managed to encapsulate everything

0:30:06 > 0:30:10that was tacky and hilarious about the 1980s.

0:30:10 > 0:30:13And her bedroom and the futon

0:30:13 > 0:30:14- and the...- Mmm.

0:30:14 > 0:30:16You know, the clothes and...

0:30:16 > 0:30:17It was just genius.

0:30:17 > 0:30:18Oh!

0:30:18 > 0:30:20Inspired by a French and Saunders sketch

0:30:20 > 0:30:22called Modern Mother and Daughter,

0:30:22 > 0:30:24it starred Jennifer Saunders...

0:30:24 > 0:30:25Patsy!

0:30:25 > 0:30:28..alongside Joanna Lumley.

0:30:28 > 0:30:29LAUGHTER

0:30:33 > 0:30:34AUDIENCE LAUGHS

0:30:34 > 0:30:36I just...

0:30:36 > 0:30:37I just nodded off.

0:30:37 > 0:30:38LAUGHTER

0:30:40 > 0:30:42I mean, she's such a wonderful actress,

0:30:42 > 0:30:44that she doesn't mind looking like that.

0:30:44 > 0:30:46They were... Well, she looks amazing.

0:30:46 > 0:30:48- Look how beautiful she is. - That's true.

0:30:48 > 0:30:52- Even with all the black stuff on her face and her hair frizzed up. - That's true.

0:30:52 > 0:30:54I loved that show. It was so...

0:30:55 > 0:30:58..exciting to see a funny programme

0:30:58 > 0:31:00- made up only of women.- Mm-hmm.

0:31:00 > 0:31:03Aside from anything else, because television,

0:31:03 > 0:31:06up until that point, had been so male-dominated.

0:31:06 > 0:31:09- Mm-hmm.- Aside from things from America, like Mary Tyler Moore

0:31:09 > 0:31:10and stuff like that,

0:31:10 > 0:31:14and to see women behaving appallingly badly

0:31:14 > 0:31:18and being hilariously funny in the process...

0:31:18 > 0:31:20So were you a Patsy or an Eddy?

0:31:20 > 0:31:23- Oh, both. I mean, you can't have one without the other, can you?- Yeah.

0:31:23 > 0:31:25You know, that's what's so great about them.

0:31:25 > 0:31:27They are just a brilliant double act.

0:31:27 > 0:31:32And we'd never thought of women as a double act in that way.

0:31:32 > 0:31:34- I was in Ab Fab!- Was you?

0:31:34 > 0:31:36Yeah, yeah. I did...

0:31:36 > 0:31:38Oh, it was one of the best jobs ever!

0:31:38 > 0:31:40I spent a week recording an episode.

0:31:40 > 0:31:43That's how long they used to do, five days at Television Centre,

0:31:43 > 0:31:44recording an episode.

0:31:44 > 0:31:46And I was in a book club,

0:31:46 > 0:31:49and Kristin Scott Thomas was in it as well.

0:31:49 > 0:31:51And, obviously, Patsy and Edina.

0:31:51 > 0:31:54And it was just so funny. I couldn't believe it.

0:31:54 > 0:31:56I had to keep pinching myself that I was there,

0:31:56 > 0:32:00in the midst of this programme that I'd watched so often.

0:32:00 > 0:32:02- Yeah.- And absolutely loved.

0:32:02 > 0:32:03Are we going to talk

0:32:03 > 0:32:04- about a book at all? - EDDY HUFFS

0:32:04 > 0:32:06- LAUGHTER - We've only done ten minutes

0:32:06 > 0:32:07on the mags, Mariella!

0:32:07 > 0:32:10Some of us haven't got all afternoon.

0:32:10 > 0:32:12Are you in a time warp?

0:32:12 > 0:32:13LAUGHTER

0:32:13 > 0:32:15Was you nervous about doing it?

0:32:15 > 0:32:18No. No, I was excited. It was...

0:32:18 > 0:32:20The thing was, cos I'm not an actress,

0:32:20 > 0:32:22I didn't feel much pressure.

0:32:22 > 0:32:26- I think Kristin Scott Thomas felt a lot more pressure than I did.- Mmm.

0:32:26 > 0:32:29I just sort of had to be me, and, you know,

0:32:29 > 0:32:31that's not that much of a challenge.

0:32:31 > 0:32:32- Seeing as I am me. - LAUGHTER

0:32:32 > 0:32:34You don't find it a bit of a stretch.

0:32:34 > 0:32:35- LAUGHTER - Did you read it?

0:32:36 > 0:32:38LAUGHTER

0:32:38 > 0:32:39Well, yeah, yeah.

0:32:39 > 0:32:41But I skimmed - I'm a skimmer.

0:32:41 > 0:32:42LAUGHTER

0:32:42 > 0:32:44- But we had such a laugh.- Mm.

0:32:44 > 0:32:46We all used to hang out in Patsy's dressing room...

0:32:46 > 0:32:48- Well, Joanna Lumley's dressing room. - LAUGHTER

0:32:48 > 0:32:50Which was all leopard...

0:32:50 > 0:32:53- It was exactly like you'd expect it to be.- Oh, really?

0:32:53 > 0:32:55Leopard-print things and, you know,

0:32:55 > 0:32:57Bolly in a bucket,

0:32:57 > 0:32:59and it was just brilliant.

0:32:59 > 0:33:01It just so didn't disappoint, in any shape or form.

0:33:01 > 0:33:03- Yeah.- But she is...

0:33:03 > 0:33:05I think she's an absolute genius,

0:33:05 > 0:33:07- Jennifer Saunders.- Mmm.

0:33:12 > 0:33:15Now we're bringing it back to your own television career.

0:33:15 > 0:33:18- Oh, no, let's not.- Yes!

0:33:18 > 0:33:20It's going to be some hideous clip of me

0:33:20 > 0:33:22from, you know, Big World Cafe,

0:33:22 > 0:33:25which was my very first television job.

0:33:25 > 0:33:28- We wouldn't do that to you. - I was so petrified that I just...

0:33:28 > 0:33:31- SHE WHISPERS: - ..spoke like this all the time,

0:33:31 > 0:33:33cos I was just really scared.

0:33:33 > 0:33:35This is your big break. SHE GASPS

0:33:35 > 0:33:38Oh, my God, that's going to be so weird!

0:33:38 > 0:33:41I've never watched myself.

0:33:41 > 0:33:42THEME PLAYS

0:33:44 > 0:33:46Big World Cafe.

0:33:46 > 0:33:48Oh, we were so proud of these opening titles.

0:33:48 > 0:33:51- You were so proud of them? - We thought they were amazing.- Yeah.

0:33:51 > 0:33:52Radical. They're not bad.

0:33:54 > 0:33:57Big World Cafe showcased bands from around the globe,

0:33:57 > 0:34:00and played for two series on Channel 4 in 1989.

0:34:05 > 0:34:06SHE GASPS

0:34:06 > 0:34:08My heart used to be beating so hard by now.

0:34:08 > 0:34:11This next group from Boston have released two LPs already here,

0:34:11 > 0:34:13which have topped the independent chart.

0:34:13 > 0:34:15Oh, my God! That's so embarrassing!

0:34:15 > 0:34:17- I can't switch it off! - LAUGHTER

0:34:19 > 0:34:20- Oh! - SHE GROANS

0:34:20 > 0:34:23Reviewers have described them as "the Talking Heads..."

0:34:23 > 0:34:24I've still got that belt.

0:34:24 > 0:34:26And here they are - Throwing Muses!

0:34:26 > 0:34:28Why is it so embarrassing?

0:34:28 > 0:34:29Well, I never, ever...

0:34:29 > 0:34:32I sort of...I feel that watching yourself

0:34:32 > 0:34:35is a bit like going to an office and working for the day,

0:34:35 > 0:34:37and then watching it again.

0:34:37 > 0:34:40Why would you? You know, I just don't get it.

0:34:40 > 0:34:42And maybe I'd be a much better presenter

0:34:42 > 0:34:46if I watched and learned from my mistakes.

0:34:46 > 0:34:48So how did you get this job?

0:34:48 > 0:34:51Well, I was working in the music business. I was working for that record company.

0:34:51 > 0:34:54And I'd sort of met a lot of people,

0:34:54 > 0:34:57and they were talking about doing this new music programme

0:34:57 > 0:35:00for Channel 4, and they wanted presenters

0:35:00 > 0:35:02who actually knew what they were talking about,

0:35:02 > 0:35:04which is so unusual!

0:35:04 > 0:35:05LAUGHTER

0:35:05 > 0:35:07And they wanted people who knew about music,

0:35:07 > 0:35:09and so I auditioned for it.

0:35:09 > 0:35:11And, er...

0:35:11 > 0:35:13I think I was probably the sort of, you know...

0:35:13 > 0:35:15blonde totty.

0:35:15 > 0:35:16LAUGHTER

0:35:16 > 0:35:18You've never been a blonde totty!

0:35:18 > 0:35:20It certainly wasn't for my skills, was it?

0:35:20 > 0:35:23Well, those are very early days. SHE LAUGHS

0:35:23 > 0:35:25- It was my first ever...- Mm-hmm.

0:35:25 > 0:35:28- ..television programme, that.- Yes.

0:35:28 > 0:35:30So what was it like, being in front of the cameras?

0:35:30 > 0:35:31It was...

0:35:31 > 0:35:35When I heard that music, the sort of countdown music,

0:35:35 > 0:35:40I just remember being totally paralysed with fear.

0:35:40 > 0:35:41And I think...

0:35:41 > 0:35:43I remember there being a review

0:35:43 > 0:35:45written by a guy called Marcus Berkmann,

0:35:45 > 0:35:47at the time, and he described me as

0:35:47 > 0:35:50"the glacially pretty Mariella Frostrup."

0:35:50 > 0:35:52And I think he got the "glacially" bit from the fact that

0:35:52 > 0:35:55I was just so terrified that I spoke monotone...

0:35:55 > 0:35:57- MONOTONE VOICE: - like this the whole time,

0:35:57 > 0:36:00cos I was just trying to get the words out of my lips,

0:36:00 > 0:36:03while my heart was just pounding in my chest.

0:36:03 > 0:36:06So do you remember when people started to pick up on your voice?

0:36:09 > 0:36:11Yeah, you know, I don't think that people really said much

0:36:11 > 0:36:15about my voice until I was in the public eye.

0:36:15 > 0:36:18- Mm-hmm.- So I don't know what that means.

0:36:18 > 0:36:20My voice has always been the same, and, in fact,

0:36:20 > 0:36:22my sister has a very similar voice.

0:36:22 > 0:36:25And, in fact, a lot of Scandinavians

0:36:25 > 0:36:28have quite, sort of, husky tones.

0:36:28 > 0:36:31Well, there was one show that mimicked you.

0:36:31 > 0:36:32- Oh, Spitting Image!- Mmm!

0:36:32 > 0:36:35I loved Spitting Image. That was a brilliant programme.

0:36:35 > 0:36:38So, did you actually have a puppet?

0:36:38 > 0:36:39Eventually.

0:36:39 > 0:36:43- And that was probably the greatest honour of my career.- Really?

0:36:43 > 0:36:46Yeah, to have your own puppet on Spitting Image!

0:36:46 > 0:36:48- Shall we take a look? - Oh, I love to. I loved her.

0:36:49 > 0:36:52What's going on? Where is Mariella? We're up to speed!

0:36:52 > 0:36:54- Ooh! Something terrible's happened. She can't go on.- Eh?

0:36:54 > 0:36:59Spitting Image burst onto our TV screens in 1984.

0:36:59 > 0:37:00- It's her voice. - Oh, you don't mean...?

0:37:00 > 0:37:03- Yes! It's completely cleared up!- Oh!

0:37:03 > 0:37:04The series ran for 12 years,

0:37:04 > 0:37:08and at its peak was watched by 15 million people.

0:37:08 > 0:37:10I used to be the sexiest voice on TV, you know.

0:37:10 > 0:37:11I'll call a doctor.

0:37:11 > 0:37:13SHE GARGLES

0:37:13 > 0:37:14Ooh!

0:37:14 > 0:37:16Every time she appeared, I just used to think,

0:37:16 > 0:37:19"Life doesn't get better than this." It's so funny and weird,

0:37:19 > 0:37:22and what a huge sort of compliment, in a way.

0:37:22 > 0:37:23But I loved that programme.

0:37:23 > 0:37:26I liked her so much.

0:37:26 > 0:37:27Though, that one,

0:37:27 > 0:37:29I look like a cross between me and Anneka Rice, I think.

0:37:29 > 0:37:31- Yeah, yeah.- Don't I?

0:37:31 > 0:37:34It was so clever, the writing was so clever,

0:37:34 > 0:37:37and the puppets were just genius,

0:37:37 > 0:37:40- in terms of how they caricatured people.- Mmm.

0:37:40 > 0:37:42I thought it was a fantastic show.

0:37:42 > 0:37:45- And great voice-overs, you know? Steve Coogan there.- Yeah!

0:37:45 > 0:37:47- Hugh Dennis.- All of the people who are top comedians now

0:37:47 > 0:37:49were all employed by that show.

0:37:49 > 0:37:53The Spitting Image puppets were stars in their own right.

0:37:53 > 0:37:54But behind the masks,

0:37:54 > 0:37:57young, unknown comedians like Steve Coogan

0:37:57 > 0:38:01were cutting their teeth for the first time on TV.

0:38:01 > 0:38:03Still at drama college, Coogan became the voice of Neil Kinnock,

0:38:03 > 0:38:06John Major and Stephen Fry.

0:38:06 > 0:38:08Whilst a young Chris Barrie was behind

0:38:08 > 0:38:12Sean Connery, President Bush and Reagan.

0:38:12 > 0:38:13John Thomson started out on his career

0:38:13 > 0:38:17voicing Nigel Kennedy, Paul Gascoigne and Bill Clinton.

0:38:17 > 0:38:19And a then young impressionist,

0:38:19 > 0:38:20Alistair McGowan,

0:38:20 > 0:38:23perfected Tony Blair and Prince Charles.

0:38:23 > 0:38:25So what happened to the puppet?

0:38:25 > 0:38:26Oh!

0:38:26 > 0:38:28- I tried to buy her.- Oh, really? - They had a...

0:38:28 > 0:38:30Yeah, they didn't auction and I thought...

0:38:30 > 0:38:32They had an auction at Sotheby's, I think.

0:38:32 > 0:38:34When they'd completely finished the show,

0:38:34 > 0:38:36they took all the puppets out of the warehouse

0:38:36 > 0:38:38and they had this auction,

0:38:38 > 0:38:41and I just didn't think anyone would want her.

0:38:41 > 0:38:44And I put a top bid in, I thought, of £500.

0:38:44 > 0:38:46You know, it's a lot of money for a, you know...

0:38:46 > 0:38:48- For a puppet.- A puppet.

0:38:48 > 0:38:49LAUGHTER

0:38:49 > 0:38:51- And I was outbid.- No!

0:38:51 > 0:38:53Who would buy a puppet of somebody...?

0:38:53 > 0:38:55- I get why- I- might want it.

0:38:55 > 0:38:57It's nostalgic, you can put it in the attic,

0:38:57 > 0:38:58show it to the kids.

0:38:58 > 0:38:59Anneka Rice.

0:38:59 > 0:39:01LAUGHTER

0:39:01 > 0:39:03- Maybe Annie bought it? - I bet it was Anneka.

0:39:03 > 0:39:05"That's me." Yeah.

0:39:05 > 0:39:07- To stick pins in.- Yeah.

0:39:07 > 0:39:09Well, that must have been a proud moment for you.

0:39:09 > 0:39:12But what other stand-out proud moments have you...

0:39:12 > 0:39:15Spring to mind from your illustrious career?

0:39:15 > 0:39:17And don't say none.

0:39:17 > 0:39:20- QUIETLY:- None. Erm...

0:39:20 > 0:39:22No, the only other one that I can think of, really,

0:39:22 > 0:39:25was when I was away for a weekend with my best friend.

0:39:25 > 0:39:27And I got a call,

0:39:27 > 0:39:30on a very early generation mobile phone,

0:39:30 > 0:39:33to ask me if I would be a judge of the Booker Prize.

0:39:33 > 0:39:37- Wow.- And that was really important to me,

0:39:37 > 0:39:39because, I suppose,

0:39:39 > 0:39:42my dad had died when I was young, you know, at 15,

0:39:42 > 0:39:45and I slightly idolised him for a long time,

0:39:45 > 0:39:48- because of the fact that he died, I guess.- Mm-hmm.

0:39:48 > 0:39:50You know, which is what you tend to do, as a kid.

0:39:50 > 0:39:54And he'd been incredibly bookish, and, you know,

0:39:54 > 0:39:55he thought that literature was everything,

0:39:55 > 0:39:59and that you could almost live an entire life just by reading books.

0:39:59 > 0:40:02And I knew...

0:40:02 > 0:40:04I didn't think he'd have had much truck with television

0:40:04 > 0:40:05or anything like that.

0:40:05 > 0:40:08He just would have thought it was all a bit silly and superficial.

0:40:08 > 0:40:12- But I knew that he would have been proud of that.- Mmm.

0:40:12 > 0:40:14And so it really meant a lot.

0:40:14 > 0:40:17- You're not going to get emotional on me?- I always get emotional.

0:40:17 > 0:40:20I always get emotional when I talk about him. It's terrible.

0:40:20 > 0:40:23- Well, you lost him at a young age, so...- Yeah.

0:40:23 > 0:40:24..it's bound to be tough.

0:40:24 > 0:40:26I think, yeah, exactly. That's what happens.

0:40:26 > 0:40:28If you lose a parent young,

0:40:28 > 0:40:30they become the, kind of, one on the pedestal.

0:40:30 > 0:40:32I think it's very difficult for the other parent,

0:40:32 > 0:40:34cos they are always the, sort of, baddie,

0:40:34 > 0:40:37who's still around and trying to parent you.

0:40:37 > 0:40:40- Mm-hmm. - So I did... I grew out of it.

0:40:40 > 0:40:42I'm surprised I went a bit teary there,

0:40:42 > 0:40:44cos I used to not be able

0:40:44 > 0:40:47- to talk about him at all... - Oh, really?

0:40:47 > 0:40:51..without crying, and so I slightly gave up talking about him,

0:40:51 > 0:40:54and then I realised about 15 years ago,

0:40:54 > 0:40:57that I didn't wake up every day missing him.

0:40:57 > 0:41:01- And it felt like I'd moved on a bit, and I could talk about him.- Yeah.

0:41:01 > 0:41:03- But now I've just gone weepy again.- Ah!

0:41:08 > 0:41:11Mariella, what TV are you watching at the moment?

0:41:11 > 0:41:13Well, I watch things with the kids.

0:41:13 > 0:41:17They make me watch I'm A Celebrity and Strictly and...

0:41:17 > 0:41:19And I watch...

0:41:19 > 0:41:21I quite like you know, all those wildlife...

0:41:21 > 0:41:22I love David Attenborough,

0:41:22 > 0:41:25and I love all those programmes about the ocean and the desert.

0:41:25 > 0:41:28And I love the news.

0:41:28 > 0:41:29I'm a kind of news addict,

0:41:29 > 0:41:32but I think that's a product of being a child

0:41:32 > 0:41:36of the, sort of, Cold War era, in a way, because you used to want to...

0:41:36 > 0:41:39- You'd wake up in the morning and you wanted to know...- You're still here.

0:41:39 > 0:41:41..that there hadn't been Armageddon overnight.

0:41:41 > 0:41:44And I'm sure that's deeply buried in my psyche,

0:41:44 > 0:41:45you know, just that reassurance.

0:41:45 > 0:41:48The radio wakes me in the morning, and I have to hear the news

0:41:48 > 0:41:51and hear the headlines before I even think of getting out of bed.

0:41:51 > 0:41:54Is there anyone on the news that you like especially?

0:41:54 > 0:41:56Oh, I don't want to show favour,

0:41:56 > 0:41:58but I do really like Jon Snow.

0:41:58 > 0:42:00- Yeah.- You've got a soft spot for Jon?

0:42:00 > 0:42:02And I love the Today programme on Radio 4.

0:42:02 > 0:42:03That's what I wake up to,

0:42:03 > 0:42:06to make sure that the world hasn't, you know, been nuked overnight.

0:42:06 > 0:42:07So have you enjoyed it?

0:42:07 > 0:42:09Oh, I loved it.

0:42:09 > 0:42:11- Yeah.- Well, I'm pleased you enjoyed it.

0:42:11 > 0:42:13Well, I've enjoyed it, because I never, never

0:42:13 > 0:42:15need to watch Big World Cafe again.

0:42:15 > 0:42:16LAUGHTER

0:42:16 > 0:42:18Seen that, done that, been there.

0:42:18 > 0:42:20Oh, look, we give our guests the opportunity now

0:42:20 > 0:42:23to play us out with a theme tune.

0:42:23 > 0:42:24You don't have to do it.

0:42:24 > 0:42:27Thank God for that, cos I'm really not musical.

0:42:27 > 0:42:29But we'd like you to pick a theme tune

0:42:29 > 0:42:30that we can play out.

0:42:31 > 0:42:35Well, one of the other shows that I used to watch a lot as a kid,

0:42:35 > 0:42:38and we really used to love, and my kids now love the movies of,

0:42:38 > 0:42:41- is Mission Impossible.- Oh!

0:42:41 > 0:42:43- That's it!- And it just had- the - most recognisable theme tune.

0:42:43 > 0:42:45You've picked the best one.

0:42:45 > 0:42:47You know, if I was sitting there,

0:42:47 > 0:42:50- that would be my choice. - Really?- Yeah.

0:42:50 > 0:42:52- You're absolutely gorgeous.- Oh! - It's been a pleasure meeting you.

0:42:52 > 0:42:54- Thank you so much. - Thank you, Mariella.

0:42:54 > 0:42:56- It's been a pleasure. - My thanks to Mariella.

0:42:56 > 0:42:58APPLAUSE And my thanks to you

0:42:58 > 0:42:59for watching The TV That Made Me.

0:42:59 > 0:43:01We will see you next time. Bye-bye!

0:43:01 > 0:43:02Thank you.

0:43:02 > 0:43:04MISSION IMPOSSIBLE INTRO PLAYS

0:43:04 > 0:43:06Oh, that was so much fun.

0:43:06 > 0:43:14MISSION IMPOSSIBLE THEME PLAYS