Johnny Ball

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0:00:02 > 0:00:04TV - the magic box of delights.

0:00:04 > 0:00:05As kids, it showed us

0:00:05 > 0:00:08a million different worlds, all from our living room.

0:00:09 > 0:00:12- So funny!- That was state-of-the-art.

0:00:12 > 0:00:15- Argh!- I loved this.

0:00:15 > 0:00:16Each day, I'm going

0:00:16 > 0:00:19to journey through the wonderful world of telly...

0:00:19 > 0:00:22- Cheers.- ..with one of our favourite celebrities...

0:00:22 > 0:00:23We're going into Space.

0:00:23 > 0:00:25- It's just so silly.- Oh, no!

0:00:28 > 0:00:31- Yeah!- ..as they select the iconic TV moments...

0:00:33 > 0:00:35- My God, this is the scene!- Oh, dear.

0:00:35 > 0:00:38..that tell us the stories of their lives.

0:00:39 > 0:00:41I absolutely adored this.

0:00:41 > 0:00:42'Some will make you laugh...'

0:00:42 > 0:00:45Don't watch the telly, Esther, watch me!

0:00:45 > 0:00:46'..some will surprise...'

0:00:46 > 0:00:49No way! Where did you find this?

0:00:49 > 0:00:51..many will inspire...

0:00:51 > 0:00:55It used to transport us to places that we could only dream about.

0:00:55 > 0:00:57..and others will move us.

0:00:57 > 0:00:58I am emotional now.

0:00:58 > 0:01:00Today we look even more deeply.

0:01:00 > 0:01:02Why wouldn't you want to watch this?

0:01:02 > 0:01:06So come watch with us as we rewind to the classic telly that

0:01:06 > 0:01:10helped shape those wide-eyed youngsters into the much-loved

0:01:10 > 0:01:11stars they are today.

0:01:18 > 0:01:21APPLAUSE

0:01:21 > 0:01:25Welcome to The TV That Made Me. My guest today is a national treasure.

0:01:25 > 0:01:29It can only be the one and only Mr Johnny Ball!

0:01:29 > 0:01:30CHEERING

0:01:30 > 0:01:33- All right?- John. Come and sit yourself down.

0:01:33 > 0:01:35Welcome to my humble abode.

0:01:36 > 0:01:38Johnny Ball is a national treasure.

0:01:40 > 0:01:43He may have started life as a stand-up comedian,

0:01:43 > 0:01:46but we all know him as a children's television presenter.

0:01:48 > 0:01:51The show that made him a household name was Play School, which he

0:01:51 > 0:01:53presented for 16 years.

0:01:56 > 0:01:59But he's fronted over 20 series since then,

0:01:59 > 0:02:03from Think Of A Number to Johnny Ball Reveals All.

0:02:03 > 0:02:06The TV that made him includes

0:02:06 > 0:02:08one of the most famous FA Cup finals...

0:02:08 > 0:02:11Bolton have drawn first blood within 90 seconds.

0:02:11 > 0:02:14..a landmark series on science...

0:02:14 > 0:02:17And it was instantly made a sensation.

0:02:17 > 0:02:21..and the show that launched his TV career.

0:02:21 > 0:02:22Could be seaweed, couldn't it?

0:02:24 > 0:02:27- How are you?- I'm very well. This is very nice.

0:02:27 > 0:02:30Well, today's a look back at, you know, your favourite TV highlights.

0:02:30 > 0:02:33- I know.- But first we're going to delve into your past

0:02:33 > 0:02:37and find out a little bit more about the young Johnny Ball.

0:02:39 > 0:02:43Johnny Ball was born Graham Ball in Bristol in 1938.

0:02:43 > 0:02:46His father Daniel worked at an iron foundry,

0:02:46 > 0:02:51whilst mum Martha-Ann worked in a factory making boots during the war.

0:02:51 > 0:02:54The family moved to Bolton when he was 11.

0:02:54 > 0:02:56He left school at 16 with just two O Levels

0:02:56 > 0:02:59and a few years later signed on with the Royal Air Force.

0:02:59 > 0:03:02It was here that he learned his craft,

0:03:02 > 0:03:05entertaining his colleagues with his funny routines.

0:03:05 > 0:03:08After three years, he left to pursue a career in comedy,

0:03:08 > 0:03:11first becoming a Butlins Redcoat, then launching

0:03:11 > 0:03:16himself as a stand up comedian on the tough Northern club circuit.

0:03:16 > 0:03:19But it wasn't long before he was spotted by the BBC,

0:03:19 > 0:03:23and his long career in children's TV began.

0:03:23 > 0:03:25Lovely memories there.

0:03:25 > 0:03:29Yeah. Yeah, they were. My childhood was lovely.

0:03:29 > 0:03:32I was born in Bristol. Until I was 11, I was there.

0:03:32 > 0:03:34Passed my 11 Plus there.

0:03:34 > 0:03:36It was blissful. It was absolutely wonderful.

0:03:36 > 0:03:40Then we moved to Bolton and we were 200 yards from a Satanic mill.

0:03:40 > 0:03:42You know, and the railway shunting yards were across the road,

0:03:42 > 0:03:44where they used to drop coal into wagons.

0:03:44 > 0:03:47And everything was covered in dirt and soot and everything.

0:03:47 > 0:03:49So an incredible change.

0:03:49 > 0:03:51And it was a terrible change, but I came through that.

0:03:51 > 0:03:54My parents were so disappointed when I only got two O Levels.

0:03:54 > 0:03:56They were heartbroken.

0:03:56 > 0:03:58Cos I'd done very well.

0:03:58 > 0:04:01In the first year at that school, I got the maths prize

0:04:01 > 0:04:02and a chess prize.

0:04:02 > 0:04:04I'd never played chess in my life,

0:04:04 > 0:04:06and I got the chess prize for the year, you see.

0:04:06 > 0:04:09But I was in form 2B.

0:04:09 > 0:04:11But because I came from Bristol with a Bristol accent,

0:04:11 > 0:04:14and really before television,

0:04:14 > 0:04:17in Bolton it was like a foreign accent.

0:04:17 > 0:04:20It really was. And so I went from form 2B to 3C

0:04:20 > 0:04:24to 4D, to lower 5E,

0:04:24 > 0:04:27and the last year I was in 5E cos they didn't have

0:04:27 > 0:04:29a 5F.

0:04:35 > 0:04:38It's time for your first choice, Johnny.

0:04:38 > 0:04:41This was Sunday Night At The London Palladium.

0:04:41 > 0:04:43So your dad liked watching this?

0:04:43 > 0:04:45Yeah, we all watched it.

0:04:45 > 0:04:47And, of course, we watched the famous Brucie.

0:04:47 > 0:04:49Oh, here he is. Look.

0:04:49 > 0:04:51Good evening!

0:04:51 > 0:04:53# Ladies and gentlemen

0:04:53 > 0:04:58# Welcome to Sunday Night At The London Palladium... #

0:04:58 > 0:05:02When ITV launched in 1955, it needed some big shows to bring

0:05:02 > 0:05:06an audience and advertisers to the new network.

0:05:06 > 0:05:08Few shows were bigger

0:05:08 > 0:05:11and glitzier than Sunday Night At The London Palladium.

0:05:11 > 0:05:14You see, it's pure Butlin Redcoat.

0:05:14 > 0:05:18It's all smiles, all friendly, all nice and jolly, "I love you all."

0:05:18 > 0:05:20And you've also been a Redcoat.

0:05:20 > 0:05:24Oh, yeah. That was the university of comedy.

0:05:24 > 0:05:29When I was 14, I went to Filey,

0:05:29 > 0:05:33and our Redcoat captain for our house

0:05:33 > 0:05:36was a guy called Des O'Connor.

0:05:36 > 0:05:38Really? Des O'Connor?

0:05:38 > 0:05:40And he was magic.

0:05:40 > 0:05:42He'd do gags like "This here is the Pig

0:05:42 > 0:05:43"And Whistle where the pigs get a whistle.

0:05:43 > 0:05:45"Over here we have the Palm Court,

0:05:45 > 0:05:47"so called because it's got a door with a strong spring,

0:05:47 > 0:05:50"and if you're not careful, you'll get your palm caught."

0:05:50 > 0:05:52And that was the gags he was doing.

0:05:52 > 0:05:54I thought he was wonderful, and I said, "I'm going to do that."

0:05:54 > 0:05:57Oh, really? So Des played a big influence on your career?

0:05:57 > 0:06:01And eight years later, I followed him and became a Redcoat.

0:06:01 > 0:06:03But I felt so good, you know, in those few days.

0:06:03 > 0:06:06I went to the south of France. Always wanted to go there.

0:06:06 > 0:06:09What a place! Cyril, isn't it marvellous there? He lives there.

0:06:09 > 0:06:10He lives there, that boy.

0:06:10 > 0:06:12He's a great presenter, isn't he?

0:06:12 > 0:06:14Oh, he was lovely.

0:06:14 > 0:06:16Oh, Beat The Clock.

0:06:16 > 0:06:19The show included the popular game Beat The Clock,

0:06:19 > 0:06:23where two contestants would take on a series of challenges.

0:06:23 > 0:06:26Bruce's commentary and helpful suggestions and the imposing

0:06:26 > 0:06:31sound of the ticking clock had viewers on the edge of their seats.

0:06:31 > 0:06:35We want you to get one ball in that pocket, one ball in that pocket,

0:06:35 > 0:06:39one ball in that pocket, and the other ball in that, in that order.

0:06:39 > 0:06:41One, two, three, four.

0:06:41 > 0:06:44- That is impossible!- No, it's not. No, they'll do this.

0:06:45 > 0:06:49- I mean, it is big money. I mean, for its day.- Yeah.- £200.

0:06:49 > 0:06:53You have 40 seconds to the beat the clock, starting from now.

0:06:59 > 0:07:01They ain't going to do it, are they?

0:07:01 > 0:07:03- Oh, that is nice.- Oh, that's one in!

0:07:05 > 0:07:07Two, good, good.

0:07:07 > 0:07:09How that working?

0:07:09 > 0:07:12- That is really good going. - Why are the other two not moving?

0:07:12 > 0:07:15It's a bit like The Cube.

0:07:18 > 0:07:22- Well done.- Oh, and this one's easy. This one's easy. How long to go?

0:07:22 > 0:07:25How long to go? Get in there, get in there, get in there!

0:07:26 > 0:07:28Oh, no!

0:07:28 > 0:07:31Oh! I mean, it really feels like event telly, doesn't it?

0:07:31 > 0:07:34Oh, it does, it does, and the Palladium's such a wonderful,

0:07:34 > 0:07:35wonderful theatre.

0:07:36 > 0:07:38How much did you admire Bruce?

0:07:38 > 0:07:40Brucie I loved.

0:07:40 > 0:07:42And, you know, when you become a comedian,

0:07:42 > 0:07:46the first way to become a comedian is to watch everybody else,

0:07:46 > 0:07:49and it's not stealing the jokes - you steal inflection,

0:07:49 > 0:07:53you steal ideas of how to present yourself and all those things

0:07:53 > 0:07:56become... It slowly becomes you. Pieces of everybody else.

0:07:56 > 0:07:59So I used to do Brucie's walk

0:07:59 > 0:08:02and I'd come down the stairs like Brucie. I couldn't help it.

0:08:02 > 0:08:03And I was showing off, really.

0:08:03 > 0:08:06So can you still do that walk?

0:08:06 > 0:08:11No. No! Are you expecting me to do it. I don't know if I can.

0:08:11 > 0:08:14Go on, we'll try, we'll try.

0:08:14 > 0:08:16- Oops.- Are you coming in? - I'm coming in.

0:08:16 > 0:08:19Ladies and gentlemen, I would now like to present for your pleasure

0:08:19 > 0:08:24and entertainment, Johnny Ball doing the Bruce Forsyth walk.

0:08:24 > 0:08:27APPLAUSE

0:08:29 > 0:08:32..to see you nice. Nice to see you. Oh, something like that.

0:08:34 > 0:08:37- The Bruce Forsyth walk, ladies and gentlemen!- I tell you what...

0:08:38 > 0:08:41..I did Strictly a couple of years ago and I only...

0:08:41 > 0:08:45Cos I was out first, I only did three shows with Brucie and,

0:08:45 > 0:08:48oh, I got on so well with him, you know. And his wife...

0:08:48 > 0:08:52We occasionally meet his wife in Windsor when we go for lunch

0:08:52 > 0:08:55and as soon as we walk in, if she's there, she goes,

0:08:55 > 0:08:58"You should never have gone out." When I was thrown out of Strictly.

0:08:58 > 0:09:01"You should never have gone out." The first thing she ever says.

0:09:01 > 0:09:02Did you enjoy it?

0:09:02 > 0:09:04- Oh, I loved it. I loved it.- Yeah?

0:09:04 > 0:09:06Cos my wife's a dancer, you see.

0:09:06 > 0:09:10So every time I came home she would correct anything I was doing

0:09:10 > 0:09:13and hadn't got right yet, so it should have worked very well.

0:09:13 > 0:09:14It should have.

0:09:14 > 0:09:15So, anyway...

0:09:17 > 0:09:21Bruce Forsyth holds the Guinness World Record for the longest

0:09:21 > 0:09:23TV career of any male entertainer.

0:09:23 > 0:09:26After Sunday Night At The London Palladium,

0:09:26 > 0:09:30he went on to launch the legendary Generation Game on the BBC.

0:09:31 > 0:09:35He gave ITV a Brucie bonus with Play Your Cards Right.

0:09:35 > 0:09:38And he went back to the Beeb to present Brucie's Guest Night,

0:09:38 > 0:09:42an all-singing and all-dancing music and chat show.

0:09:42 > 0:09:46Most recently, he reclaimed his crown as king of Saturday Night TV

0:09:46 > 0:09:50with the incredibly successful Strictly Come Dancing.

0:09:57 > 0:10:00Well, as your next choice we've got a sketch.

0:10:00 > 0:10:03Here's a little clip here.

0:10:03 > 0:10:06The legendary Mr Robb Wilton.

0:10:06 > 0:10:10'Robb Wilton became famous in the 1930s and '40s for his stage

0:10:10 > 0:10:14'and screen monologues, in which he played workshy authority

0:10:14 > 0:10:16'figures with little time for the public.'

0:10:16 > 0:10:20- What is it you've done? - I've poisoned him.

0:10:20 > 0:10:23Poisoned him? Poisoned who?

0:10:24 > 0:10:27'In this famous police sketch,

0:10:27 > 0:10:29'he encounters a lady who is trying to confess

0:10:29 > 0:10:31'to murdering her husband.'

0:10:31 > 0:10:34Give me some particulars, will you? Just a few particulars.

0:10:34 > 0:10:36Is... Is your husband with you?

0:10:36 > 0:10:38Oh, no! You've poisoned him.

0:10:40 > 0:10:44Just give me a description and we'll see if we can get at it that way.

0:10:44 > 0:10:46He was 4'2".

0:10:46 > 0:10:484...

0:10:48 > 0:10:504'2"?

0:10:51 > 0:10:55Only one half of that frame...

0:10:55 > 0:10:58Bald-headed. Ball...

0:10:58 > 0:11:00Won't want so much ink for that.

0:11:01 > 0:11:03- Knock-knee.- Knock...

0:11:05 > 0:11:08You were in a hurry to get married, weren't you?

0:11:09 > 0:11:11APPLAUSE

0:11:11 > 0:11:15- Isn't he wonderful?- Yeah. - Absolutely wonderful.- Yeah.

0:11:16 > 0:11:20It's just such, you know, like you - gentle humour.

0:11:20 > 0:11:25My dad used to love all the old comics, and Robb especially.

0:11:25 > 0:11:28You didn't see them much on television but I heard them

0:11:28 > 0:11:30on radio and radio was great.

0:11:30 > 0:11:36Robb used to come on and it was so laconic and so quiet.

0:11:36 > 0:11:39And, of course, he was Liverpool, a Liverpool comic.

0:11:39 > 0:11:41There was Tommy Handley was Liverpool,

0:11:41 > 0:11:44- Arthur Askey was from Liverpool.- "Ay-thang-yaw."

0:11:44 > 0:11:45"Ay-thang-yaw"

0:11:45 > 0:11:50My dad loved Arthur Askey because he was the only

0:11:50 > 0:11:53comedian, literally the only comedian in the early days,

0:11:53 > 0:11:55- who came through the box.- Mm-hm.

0:11:55 > 0:11:58- He knew how to work it. - Yeah, did it straight to you.

0:11:58 > 0:12:01The gags came straight to you and he took you with it.

0:12:01 > 0:12:03My dad loved him.

0:12:03 > 0:12:06So when I did television and my Think programmes,

0:12:06 > 0:12:07it was all straight to the camera.

0:12:07 > 0:12:11Although I had audience, it was really all camera to camera.

0:12:11 > 0:12:15And it was all exactly the way my dad

0:12:15 > 0:12:17had seen, you know, the great comics.

0:12:19 > 0:12:22Wilton was one of the handful of comedians who made

0:12:22 > 0:12:25the leap from music hall to screen.

0:12:25 > 0:12:27Arthur Askey was one of the first.

0:12:27 > 0:12:30Appearing as the TV comedian in the 1930s,

0:12:30 > 0:12:32he went on to become one of the judges

0:12:32 > 0:12:35in the 1970s talent show New Faces.

0:12:36 > 0:12:40Flanagan and Allen's mix of comedy and music was hugely popular

0:12:40 > 0:12:44during The Second World War, leading to roles in both film and TV.

0:12:47 > 0:12:52Tommy Trinder was one of Britain's foremost wartime entertainers

0:12:52 > 0:12:54and later became the first compere

0:12:54 > 0:12:56of Sunday Night At The London Palladium.

0:12:56 > 0:12:58Last, but not least,

0:12:58 > 0:13:03ukelele-playing star George Formby's comedy films became major hits.

0:13:03 > 0:13:05By the end of the '30s,

0:13:05 > 0:13:08he was one of the UK's highest paid entertainers.

0:13:08 > 0:13:11Who knew you could make so much money cleaning windows?

0:13:16 > 0:13:19So we're going to move onto something that will bring

0:13:19 > 0:13:21a lump to your throat.

0:13:21 > 0:13:23I hope you're ready for this.

0:13:25 > 0:13:28'100,000 people crammed into Wembley in 1953 to watch

0:13:28 > 0:13:31'Bolton play Blackpool in the FA Cup Final.

0:13:31 > 0:13:35'It was the first Cup Final to reach a live TV audience.

0:13:35 > 0:13:36'As an avid Bolton supporter,

0:13:36 > 0:13:39'it was nail-biting stuff for a young Johnny Ball.'

0:13:39 > 0:13:42Now Bolton get going smoothly. Hassall collects and passes.

0:13:42 > 0:13:45Isn't that Lofthouse? He was absolutely wonderful.

0:13:45 > 0:13:48As the ball goes to Nat Lofthouse, he shoots.

0:13:48 > 0:13:50Farm fumbles and it's a goal!

0:13:50 > 0:13:54'After Bolton took a 3-1 lead, the cup seemed in their grasp

0:13:54 > 0:13:58'but they then sustained injuries and Blackpool had Stanley Matthews.'

0:13:58 > 0:14:01Oh, Mortensen scores from here.

0:14:01 > 0:14:04Oh, me heart was breaking. Oh, no!

0:14:04 > 0:14:07Mortensen takes it. Wham!

0:14:07 > 0:14:08Oh, there you go!

0:14:08 > 0:14:10Oh, and here he comes.

0:14:10 > 0:14:13'Matthews' spectacular performance meant

0:14:13 > 0:14:16'the match will be forever known as the Matthews Final.'

0:14:16 > 0:14:18That was 3-3.

0:14:18 > 0:14:22But our left-half and our left-back have both been injured.

0:14:22 > 0:14:25- Right.- There were no substitutes in those days.- Oh, interesting.

0:14:25 > 0:14:27So he didn't have anybody to beat!

0:14:27 > 0:14:29Blackpool 4, Bolton 3.

0:14:29 > 0:14:31Matthews recently ignored by the England selectors,

0:14:31 > 0:14:34is the Man Of The Match.

0:14:34 > 0:14:36I watched this next door but one,

0:14:36 > 0:14:40- and walked the 20 yards crying in the street.- Oh, really?!

0:14:40 > 0:14:43- Absolutely crying in the street... - Really?

0:14:43 > 0:14:44..because we'd lost.

0:14:44 > 0:14:47But the right-back for Bolton who had nothing to do with Matthews,

0:14:47 > 0:14:50he was on the other side and did not get beat by Matthews,

0:14:50 > 0:14:52was Johnny Ball.

0:14:52 > 0:14:54And because he was Johnny Ball,

0:14:54 > 0:14:56all my mates called me Johnny Ball.

0:14:56 > 0:14:57I loved that because it

0:14:57 > 0:14:59was a nicer name than Graham,

0:14:59 > 0:15:01I didn't like Graham...

0:15:01 > 0:15:04But they made me play right-back but I wanted to be centre-forward.

0:15:04 > 0:15:07So it ruined my football, but I've been called Johnny ever since.

0:15:07 > 0:15:09- Isn't that amazing? - That's when it started.

0:15:09 > 0:15:10Yeah, just from that, that's amazing.

0:15:10 > 0:15:14So even though you lost, does it still bring back good memories?

0:15:14 > 0:15:15- It was terrible memories.- Really?

0:15:15 > 0:15:19It was so sad but our whole left flank was depleted

0:15:19 > 0:15:23and the left winger for Bolton was Bobby Langton,

0:15:23 > 0:15:26who also played for England now and again.

0:15:26 > 0:15:30Matthews, Finney and then Langton, they were really three left-wingers.

0:15:30 > 0:15:34Let's just check if you were right. Was it Matthews...?

0:15:34 > 0:15:37- This is a gift for you.- Oh!- It's a programme from that day.

0:15:37 > 0:15:39APPLAUSE

0:15:39 > 0:15:41To bring back all those happy memories.

0:15:41 > 0:15:43It's made me shake.

0:15:44 > 0:15:48Oh, this is wonderful! One shilling.

0:15:48 > 0:15:52And we were robbed!

0:15:52 > 0:15:54- And there's Johnny Ball, J Ball. - Yeah.

0:15:54 > 0:15:57- There you are. Oh, that's fantastic.- That's yours.

0:15:57 > 0:15:59- We'll give it to you later. - Oh, right!

0:15:59 > 0:16:01- Oh, that's tremendous. - Oh, it's a pleasure.

0:16:06 > 0:16:11Johnny is in good company when it comes to changing his name.

0:16:11 > 0:16:14Slapstick comic Benny Hill was born Alfred Hill,

0:16:14 > 0:16:17but changed his first name to the surname of his favourite

0:16:17 > 0:16:20vaudeville comedian, Jack Benny.

0:16:22 > 0:16:25Before going on to The Goon Show and greatness,

0:16:25 > 0:16:29Spike Milligan was called Terence Milligan.

0:16:29 > 0:16:33He created his stage name in homage to one of his favourite bands,

0:16:33 > 0:16:35Spike Jones And The City Slickers.

0:16:38 > 0:16:41Vic Reeves was born Jim Moir.

0:16:41 > 0:16:44He created his new persona by supposedly combining

0:16:44 > 0:16:48the names of his favourite singers, Vic Damone and Jim Reeves.

0:16:57 > 0:16:59Well, now for your next choice, Johnny.

0:16:59 > 0:17:02- This is Must See TV. - Right.

0:17:03 > 0:17:07The Phil Silvers Show centred around our Ernest Bilko,

0:17:07 > 0:17:10an unlikely sergeant in the US Army who spent most of his time

0:17:10 > 0:17:13dreaming up a get-rich-quick scams.

0:17:13 > 0:17:16It instantly appealed to the young Johnny Ball,

0:17:16 > 0:17:19who had recently joined the Forces.

0:17:19 > 0:17:22So this would have been on whilst you were in the RAF.

0:17:22 > 0:17:23We used to watch...

0:17:23 > 0:17:26An audience this big in a room this size,

0:17:26 > 0:17:29and we used to watch Phil Silvers and just roar.

0:17:29 > 0:17:31And then shut up to catch the next line.

0:17:31 > 0:17:33- 25 cents!- 50 cents!

0:17:33 > 0:17:35- One buck!- A buck and a half! - A buck 60!

0:17:35 > 0:17:39Stop it! Stop the sale Stop the sale!

0:17:39 > 0:17:41What do you think of Phil Silvers' performance here?

0:17:41 > 0:17:44It was just... It was made for him, he was made for it.

0:17:44 > 0:17:46It was perfect.

0:17:46 > 0:17:49He did A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum, the film,

0:17:49 > 0:17:54and he was fine, but this was the starring part.

0:17:54 > 0:17:59A buck 60, a dollar 60 indeed for a television set?

0:17:59 > 0:18:01'Fast-talking and irrepressible,

0:18:01 > 0:18:03'Bilko was forever trying to

0:18:03 > 0:18:06'persuade his men to part with their cash.'

0:18:06 > 0:18:08Show them that.

0:18:08 > 0:18:10A dollar 60 for this magic box

0:18:10 > 0:18:14that brings you Jack Benny, Ed Sullivan, Janet Gleason?!

0:18:14 > 0:18:16Yeah, it's only a 2" screen!

0:18:17 > 0:18:21- Oh, he was a joy, he really was, wasn't he?- Yeah.

0:18:21 > 0:18:22He was wonderful.

0:18:22 > 0:18:25You know what it means to me to part with this after ten years?

0:18:25 > 0:18:28- It's like a wrench out of my heart. - Yeah, some wrench!

0:18:28 > 0:18:30- It never once worked. - I'm glad you brought that up.

0:18:30 > 0:18:33We found out why, we've been plugging it into electricity.

0:18:33 > 0:18:35We found out this work on gas.

0:18:36 > 0:18:40They all hung onto him, you know? It's tremendous.

0:18:40 > 0:18:43The series was filmed as live in front of an audience.

0:18:43 > 0:18:45So, you know, I suppose he played off that.

0:18:45 > 0:18:47That's right, that's right.

0:18:47 > 0:18:48And that's why he couldn't be word perfect

0:18:48 > 0:18:51because you can't do it, you know?

0:18:51 > 0:18:55With comedy you've almost got to go with it, go with the flow.

0:18:55 > 0:18:58Hit it in the moment, you know? Oh, he's tremendous.

0:18:58 > 0:19:01So you were in the RAF while watching this.

0:19:01 > 0:19:04The RAF, yeah, and I had a fabulous time.

0:19:04 > 0:19:07All the mates who were coming out the RAF, out of National Service,

0:19:07 > 0:19:09there were two kinds.

0:19:09 > 0:19:12"Two years of wasted bloody time, waste of my life!"

0:19:12 > 0:19:14You know, terribly grumpy.

0:19:14 > 0:19:17And the others said, "Oh, get in there, John,

0:19:17 > 0:19:19"volunteer for everything. Go for it."

0:19:19 > 0:19:23And, of course, I took their advice and I had a fabulous time.

0:19:23 > 0:19:27I was surrounded by boffins, people doing air-to-air missiles,

0:19:27 > 0:19:29ground-to-air missiles.

0:19:29 > 0:19:31And I was with radar, lock-on radar,

0:19:31 > 0:19:34radar that would lock onto the target.

0:19:34 > 0:19:37Well, it was absolutely new when I was in the RAF.

0:19:37 > 0:19:41So that's where all my experience with science and technology came in,

0:19:41 > 0:19:45- through rubbing shoulders with all these boffins.- Oh, right.

0:19:45 > 0:19:47Oh, it was a great time.

0:19:48 > 0:19:51After leaving the RAF, Johnny started on the road

0:19:51 > 0:19:54to being a stand-up comedian, touring the north-east.

0:19:57 > 0:20:00It's hard being a comedian anyway, but to be in the north-east.

0:20:00 > 0:20:03- I mean, those clubs didn't suffer fools.- Well, yeah.

0:20:03 > 0:20:05I was lucky cos I got it right.

0:20:05 > 0:20:09There was a guy called Ricky McCabe helped me write my first act,

0:20:09 > 0:20:13and it was very simple, and it worked.

0:20:13 > 0:20:15I used to apologise to the audience.

0:20:15 > 0:20:18I used to come on with a paper bag, inflated, and I'd go,

0:20:18 > 0:20:21"Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I... I ... Before I start...

0:20:21 > 0:20:23"What I want... "

0:20:23 > 0:20:25HE STUTTERS

0:20:25 > 0:20:26"Bag of nerves."

0:20:26 > 0:20:29- LAUGHTER - And I'd walk off.

0:20:30 > 0:20:34And I'd walk off. And that gave them the time to laugh.

0:20:34 > 0:20:36What era was this? Was this '60s?

0:20:36 > 0:20:40This was '63 was when I was semipro.

0:20:40 > 0:20:42Turned pro January '64.

0:20:42 > 0:20:46And it worked. So Jerry Lewis I used to follow a great deal.

0:20:46 > 0:20:48- Jerry Lewis, great slapstick comic. - Yeah.

0:20:48 > 0:20:53And I learned to run down a corridor with a tiled floor,

0:20:53 > 0:20:56and I could run down the corridor, and they'd go, "Now!"

0:20:56 > 0:21:00And I would just go in a heap

0:21:00 > 0:21:02- and finish up at the end.- Yeah.

0:21:02 > 0:21:05And the next thing I learned to do was fall down the stairs,

0:21:05 > 0:21:07and there were stone stairs.

0:21:07 > 0:21:09And I could fall down the stairs,

0:21:09 > 0:21:10and never hurt myself at all.

0:21:10 > 0:21:12Taught myself all these things.

0:21:12 > 0:21:13Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:21:13 > 0:21:16But I could fall down stone steps.

0:21:16 > 0:21:19- So was you a fan of Buster Keaton and...?- All of those, yeah.

0:21:19 > 0:21:22All of those. And I loved those.

0:21:22 > 0:21:24So I just had to perform.

0:21:24 > 0:21:26But, oh, I loved it.

0:21:33 > 0:21:36Now, Johnny, it's time for a commercial break.

0:21:36 > 0:21:38Let's have a look at the advert that you picked.

0:21:40 > 0:21:44- HE WOLF WHISTLES - Hey, Hey, Suzy Q,

0:21:44 > 0:21:45what's cooking with you?

0:21:45 > 0:21:48- Your teeth look whiter than new, new, new.- My teeth aren't...

0:21:48 > 0:21:52This catchy ad was first screened in the 1950s.

0:21:52 > 0:21:55It's animation style was similar to the Hanna-Barbera cartoons

0:21:55 > 0:21:58that were hugely popular at the time.

0:21:58 > 0:22:00# You'll wonder where the yellow went

0:22:00 > 0:22:03# When you brush your teeth with Pepsodent. #

0:22:03 > 0:22:05# Wonder where the yellow went

0:22:05 > 0:22:08# When you brush your teeth with dry cement. #

0:22:08 > 0:22:10LAUGHTER

0:22:10 > 0:22:14Pepsodent was perhaps upping the ante in their advertising campaign

0:22:14 > 0:22:16to combat falling sales.

0:22:18 > 0:22:21And with what seemed like overkill, you were in no doubt

0:22:21 > 0:22:25what brand of toothpaste you were being sold.

0:22:25 > 0:22:28Pepsodent. Pepsodent. Pepsodent

0:22:34 > 0:22:37Now, Johnny, we move on to the category where you can choose

0:22:37 > 0:22:39anything you like, just because.

0:22:39 > 0:22:42- Have a little look at this. - Just because. Wow.

0:22:42 > 0:22:44Yes, Tonight's off to sea.

0:22:46 > 0:22:49This is the Tonight Show with Fyfe Robertson.

0:22:49 > 0:22:52With his trademark tufty beard,

0:22:52 > 0:22:54Fyfe Robertson cut a distinctive figure.

0:22:54 > 0:22:57His popular roving reports eventually led to him

0:22:57 > 0:23:00getting his own weekly series.

0:23:00 > 0:23:01..Its 4,000 inhabitants,

0:23:01 > 0:23:04a very special, tender affection.

0:23:04 > 0:23:09The very name Islay warms the hearts of Inland Revenue men.

0:23:09 > 0:23:11Just as no doubt, on occasions,

0:23:11 > 0:23:15Islay's chief product warms their innards.

0:23:15 > 0:23:17- He's in the Hebrides.- Yeah.

0:23:17 > 0:23:20And look at the cable.

0:23:20 > 0:23:23Yeah, yeah. Probably running back right the way to the studio.

0:23:23 > 0:23:26Yes, this is powerful stuff, all right.

0:23:26 > 0:23:30Powerful enough, they tell me, to loosen the tanks in your shoes.

0:23:30 > 0:23:32LAUGHTER

0:23:32 > 0:23:35I mean, what a character, wasn't he?

0:23:35 > 0:23:39- I mean, he was a proper TV original. - It was.

0:23:39 > 0:23:41His enthusiasm, I mean, it's boundless, isn't it,

0:23:41 > 0:23:44- in these reports? - Oh, yeah. He was wonderful.

0:23:44 > 0:23:47By very special dispensation, arranged no doubt at the level

0:23:47 > 0:23:51just below Whitehall, I'm going to taste is sip.

0:23:51 > 0:23:53So here it goes.

0:23:57 > 0:23:58Oh!

0:23:58 > 0:24:01- Ha-ha-ha-ha.- It's half a pint!

0:24:01 > 0:24:02It's half a pint.

0:24:02 > 0:24:06And he's probably done about eight shots before then, when he's had to sip along.

0:24:06 > 0:24:09And this used to be seen at 6.30, which is the wonderful thing.

0:24:09 > 0:24:12So why did you choose Fyfe Robertson?

0:24:12 > 0:24:15I chose Fyfe because he was such an incredible character

0:24:15 > 0:24:17and he epitomised...

0:24:17 > 0:24:21He was the first one to really make a

0:24:21 > 0:24:26little piece about absolutely anything...

0:24:26 > 0:24:28mesmeric. You couldn't look away.

0:24:28 > 0:24:31You had to follow Fyfe, you had to listen to him.

0:24:31 > 0:24:33What the hell he was talking about you sometimes didn't know,

0:24:33 > 0:24:36and then there's a twist to it. And he was just brilliant.

0:24:36 > 0:24:38He could entertain with anything.

0:24:38 > 0:24:40And that's what they learned.

0:24:40 > 0:24:43So Michael Rodd later came up. and then all the people who did

0:24:43 > 0:24:46Tomorrow's World, that all came from that and those presenters.

0:24:46 > 0:24:48And it was a wonderful era.

0:24:48 > 0:24:52And I learned a lot from them before I did my shows, you know?

0:25:00 > 0:25:03Johnny, your next choice is very educational.

0:25:03 > 0:25:06- Right.- Have a little peak at this.

0:25:06 > 0:25:09The theory of evolution by natural selection was certainly

0:25:09 > 0:25:16the most important single scientific innovation in the 19th century.

0:25:16 > 0:25:19This is the Ascent Of Man.

0:25:19 > 0:25:21Mr Bronowski.

0:25:21 > 0:25:28And today we look even more deeply at the chemistry that we all share.

0:25:29 > 0:25:33The Ascent Of Man was a personal view of the history of science

0:25:33 > 0:25:37and technology through the eyes of historian Jacob Bronowski.

0:25:39 > 0:25:41From the very first...

0:25:41 > 0:25:47This book that he wrote with this series has been my Bible.

0:25:47 > 0:25:51- It was commissioned by Sir David Attenborough, the series.- Yeah.

0:25:51 > 0:25:57From that moment, it was no longer possible to believe any story which

0:25:57 > 0:26:02supposed that at any time now there could be created

0:26:02 > 0:26:06once again the beginning of life.

0:26:06 > 0:26:10But it's sadly so pedantic and slow for today that it's never been...

0:26:10 > 0:26:14It has been shown once and it didn't do particularly well.

0:26:14 > 0:26:18He was wonderful, and it was the only series he ever did.

0:26:18 > 0:26:21There's the lovely story when he was in Auschwitz,

0:26:21 > 0:26:27and he bends down and he's talking about man's inhumanity to man.

0:26:27 > 0:26:29I owe it as a human being

0:26:29 > 0:26:32to the many members of my family who died here

0:26:32 > 0:26:36to stand here as a survivor and a witness.

0:26:39 > 0:26:41We have to cure ourselves

0:26:41 > 0:26:45of the itch for absolute knowledge and power.

0:26:46 > 0:26:50And he picks up the dust from the floor, and as he's doing it -

0:26:50 > 0:26:52and he only did once take -

0:26:52 > 0:26:56he realises this isn't earth,

0:26:56 > 0:26:58this is ash.

0:27:00 > 0:27:08We have to close the distance between the push-button order

0:27:08 > 0:27:10and the human act.

0:27:11 > 0:27:15We have to...touch people.

0:27:15 > 0:27:18And he felt that as he did the piece.

0:27:18 > 0:27:20And he held it, walked off-camera

0:27:20 > 0:27:22and cried and cried and cried.

0:27:22 > 0:27:23And that was him.

0:27:23 > 0:27:26So you can do so much with television,

0:27:26 > 0:27:29and if you time it right and if you edit it right,

0:27:29 > 0:27:32the audience absolutely would be much more intelligent than

0:27:32 > 0:27:33you give them credit for,

0:27:33 > 0:27:35and will take it.

0:27:35 > 0:27:37Bronowski, his book is my Bible.

0:27:44 > 0:27:48The next show made you a favourite with kids across the country.

0:27:48 > 0:27:51Let's have a look at your Big Break.

0:27:51 > 0:27:52Of course it's Play School.

0:27:52 > 0:27:55- Hello.- Hello.

0:27:55 > 0:27:58This, this is going to be a mountain. There you are, Hamble.

0:27:58 > 0:28:00You can sit on top.

0:28:00 > 0:28:02That's Sarah Long.

0:28:02 > 0:28:05Well, no, that's a puppet. LAUGHTER

0:28:05 > 0:28:07- It's a puppet!- It is a puppet.

0:28:07 > 0:28:10These are the pieces of material.

0:28:10 > 0:28:14It can be fields and things on the lower slopes.

0:28:14 > 0:28:17Play School was the first ever show to broadcast on BBC Two,

0:28:17 > 0:28:21after the channel's grand opening plan for the previous night

0:28:21 > 0:28:23was scuppered by a power cut.

0:28:24 > 0:28:26Some light blue material here,

0:28:26 > 0:28:29that can be the shallow water.

0:28:29 > 0:28:31Purple trousers!

0:28:31 > 0:28:33Who bought me purple trousers?

0:28:33 > 0:28:36Johnny was one of the longest-serving presenters,

0:28:36 > 0:28:41chalking up 545 episodes over 16 years.

0:28:41 > 0:28:44At what sort of age what this aimed at?

0:28:44 > 0:28:45It was definitely under fives.

0:28:45 > 0:28:48- Under fives.- And it worked.

0:28:48 > 0:28:52Now, they didn't do any fairy stories, no elves and pixies,

0:28:52 > 0:28:57no fantasy. And nobody ever notices that.

0:28:57 > 0:29:02It was all factual, it was all about life, really.

0:29:02 > 0:29:06And this is darker blue, this could be the deepwater,

0:29:06 > 0:29:08the deep sea further out.

0:29:08 > 0:29:10And it can be all wavy.

0:29:10 > 0:29:13HE IMITATES WAVES CRASHING

0:29:13 > 0:29:15So how did you get the job on Play School?

0:29:15 > 0:29:17Well, somebody said,

0:29:17 > 0:29:20"We're looking for presenters for children's television."

0:29:20 > 0:29:23And the producer rang my agent and said,

0:29:23 > 0:29:25"Johnny would be perfect for this."

0:29:25 > 0:29:28It must be Crackerjack.

0:29:28 > 0:29:30So I go for an interview in Manchester

0:29:30 > 0:29:32and I breeze in, and I've got the job in two minutes.

0:29:32 > 0:29:36And he said, "Oh, you're going to be fabulous in Play School.

0:29:36 > 0:29:38LAUGHTER

0:29:38 > 0:29:40"What's Play School?"

0:29:40 > 0:29:42He said, "It's for under fives, 11 o'clock in the morning, BBC Two."

0:29:42 > 0:29:44And I went, "Thanks a lot."

0:29:44 > 0:29:47And I got up to walk out.

0:29:47 > 0:29:50And I got to the door, and he came and he put his hand on my hand

0:29:50 > 0:29:53and he said, "No, come and chat." So I went, "All right."

0:29:53 > 0:29:55So we went back and chatted and he persuaded me to do the audition.

0:29:55 > 0:29:58And when I started doing, Play School I couldn't do it

0:29:58 > 0:30:00cos he gave me a toy, you know, Hamble,

0:30:00 > 0:30:02and sing a song to Hamble.

0:30:03 > 0:30:05And being a stand-up comic it was very difficult,

0:30:05 > 0:30:07and I couldn't do it.

0:30:07 > 0:30:08So after three weeks they said,

0:30:08 > 0:30:11"When you're doing something you like you're great.

0:30:11 > 0:30:14"When you're doing something you don't like you're terrible.

0:30:14 > 0:30:18"So you've either got to get a grip and forget adults,

0:30:18 > 0:30:22"and talk for under-fives, or we'll have to let you go."

0:30:22 > 0:30:27And I went out and I thought, "Why am I being bad at something

0:30:27 > 0:30:30"because of some chip on my shoulder?" You see?

0:30:30 > 0:30:32And I changed, and I loved it.

0:30:32 > 0:30:35And I loved the integrity of the people who did Play School.

0:30:35 > 0:30:37I mean, Derek Griffiths, a great performer,

0:30:37 > 0:30:40he joined just after me,

0:30:40 > 0:30:43and I saw his audition, and gales of laughter in the gallery

0:30:43 > 0:30:46- with no effort at all.- Yeah.

0:30:46 > 0:30:48It was just lovely.

0:30:48 > 0:30:51I would drop kick Humpty through the window.

0:30:51 > 0:30:53- Really?- That's a wrap. Boink!

0:30:53 > 0:30:56- That's what we want to hear. I like that picture.- Yeah.

0:30:56 > 0:31:02We used to do that in studio seven in Television Centre,

0:31:02 > 0:31:05and we'd have Morecambe and Wise or the Two Ronnies next door,

0:31:05 > 0:31:09and in a break they'd come and walk through other studio. Why?

0:31:09 > 0:31:12Cos they said, "We used to watch it with our kids."

0:31:12 > 0:31:14And they would come round and chat to us

0:31:14 > 0:31:19and then they'd go off and do their shows for nine million, you know, peak shows,

0:31:19 > 0:31:22and we'd do our thing at 11 o'clock in the morning.

0:31:22 > 0:31:23I mean, 16 years.

0:31:23 > 0:31:25Yeah. 16 years, yeah.

0:31:25 > 0:31:27And it was just such a lovely period.

0:31:27 > 0:31:30It was the golden age of television,

0:31:30 > 0:31:32especially for BBC Children's.

0:31:32 > 0:31:35We were the best in the world by far.

0:31:35 > 0:31:37And that's what I did.

0:31:37 > 0:31:40We're very glad you did.

0:31:40 > 0:31:42BRIAN LAUGHS

0:31:43 > 0:31:48Johnny Ball isn't the only comedian who found a home on children's television.

0:31:48 > 0:31:49Fresh from the comedy clubs,

0:31:49 > 0:31:51future EastEnder Mike Reid

0:31:51 > 0:31:54hosted the anarchic game show Runaround for ITV.

0:31:57 > 0:31:5815 to 1 host Sandi Toksvig

0:31:58 > 0:32:01began her TV career on the live

0:32:01 > 0:32:04Saturday morning kids' show No 73.

0:32:05 > 0:32:08Rik Mayall's reading of Roald Dahl's

0:32:08 > 0:32:11George's Marvellous Medicine provoked complaints

0:32:11 > 0:32:13due to the naughty nature of the book

0:32:13 > 0:32:15and Rik's delivery of it.

0:32:15 > 0:32:19No surprise it is now enshrined in Jackanory folklore.

0:32:21 > 0:32:25Harry Hill found his brand of comedy a perfect fit for kids' TV,

0:32:25 > 0:32:28with his sketch show Shark Infested Custard.

0:32:30 > 0:32:34And of course our very own funny man Johnny Ball wrote comedy sketches

0:32:34 > 0:32:38for other people, but it wasn't always for children's programmes.

0:32:40 > 0:32:43I'd written for Les Dawson and other people.

0:32:43 > 0:32:46Not a lot, but I'd written some and they wanted more.

0:32:46 > 0:32:49And it was difficult. Every time you wrote a sketch they'd say...

0:32:49 > 0:32:51You'd write a three-minute sketch and they'd say,

0:32:51 > 0:32:54"Great, John, we've had to whittle it down. A minute and a half."

0:32:54 > 0:32:57And they'd pay you a minute and a half. So you couldn't earn.

0:32:57 > 0:32:59It was about £35 a minute.

0:32:59 > 0:33:01So you couldn't earn £100 in a week.

0:33:01 > 0:33:04And there were people like John Cleese, The Goodies,

0:33:04 > 0:33:07and all these people were in that field,

0:33:07 > 0:33:11all jobbing writers before they got going.

0:33:11 > 0:33:14So Play Away said, "Will you write for us?" And I said, "Yeah."

0:33:14 > 0:33:16So I wrote a bit and they said, "Let's put it on a firm footing.

0:33:16 > 0:33:18"How much do you want a minute?

0:33:18 > 0:33:22And I said, "Well, the adults' pay 35 quid, pay me £30 a minute."

0:33:22 > 0:33:23And they said, "All right."

0:33:23 > 0:33:25First week, 16 minutes!

0:33:25 > 0:33:27Oh, my God.

0:33:27 > 0:33:29And that's how it started.

0:33:29 > 0:33:33Hello? Oh, hello, Editor. Ida Scoop here.

0:33:33 > 0:33:36You've a story for me to cover?

0:33:36 > 0:33:38A Space probe? Where?

0:33:38 > 0:33:43Mr Willie Crackett. Number seven Jubilee Terrace.

0:33:43 > 0:33:47Play Away was originally intended to be a Saturday Play School,

0:33:47 > 0:33:50but with its mix of songs, sketches and gags -

0:33:50 > 0:33:52many of which were written by Johnny -

0:33:52 > 0:33:55it appealed to a much wider audience.

0:33:55 > 0:33:58- Daily Bugle here. - Oh, hello.- Hello.

0:33:58 > 0:34:01- Is it true you've built a device? - Yes, yes, I have. Yes.

0:34:01 > 0:34:03In your own back yard?

0:34:03 > 0:34:06- In my own back yard, aye. - To take you to the moon?

0:34:06 > 0:34:07To take me to the... To take me where?

0:34:07 > 0:34:10- To the moon.- The moon? Oh, don't make me laugh. No!

0:34:10 > 0:34:14So it isn't true? You haven't built a device to take you to the moon?

0:34:14 > 0:34:16No, no, no. I've built a device to take me to Mars.

0:34:16 > 0:34:18- To Mars?!- Yeah.

0:34:18 > 0:34:21Oh, that's fantastic. Do you think I could possibly see it?

0:34:21 > 0:34:24Yeah, of course you can. Just come this way.

0:34:24 > 0:34:27Well, there she is.

0:34:27 > 0:34:29Oh, this.

0:34:29 > 0:34:32Johnny, I want to move on to your passion now of maths and science.

0:34:32 > 0:34:36- Yeah, it's odd, isn't it?- Did it come from, you know, your parents?

0:34:36 > 0:34:37It came from the start.

0:34:37 > 0:34:42My dad made a bagatelle table, you know, you fire the ball bearings?

0:34:42 > 0:34:45But he made one and it was better than you could buy in the shops.

0:34:45 > 0:34:48He made it - every single nail he put in.

0:34:48 > 0:34:51And I was very young

0:34:51 > 0:34:54when I could total up the balls as they dropped in.

0:34:54 > 0:34:5850, 75, 175, 225,

0:34:58 > 0:35:00as they dropped in.

0:35:00 > 0:35:03And I was very young when I could do that, and I just loved it.

0:35:03 > 0:35:05And bought me a billiard table.

0:35:05 > 0:35:07Now, billiards is all maths.

0:35:07 > 0:35:09All of it is maths,

0:35:09 > 0:35:12and it's angles and it's pressure.

0:35:12 > 0:35:14Like driving is all maths.

0:35:14 > 0:35:16So suddenly you realise everything you do in life is maths.

0:35:16 > 0:35:19And I've always had this ability to link the two.

0:35:19 > 0:35:25There was a show called Don't Ask Me on Yorkshire Television,

0:35:25 > 0:35:28it went national, with Magnus Pyke, Miriam Stoppard and David Bellamy.

0:35:28 > 0:35:31And Derek Griffiths was asked to present it.

0:35:31 > 0:35:35And Derek started it, and they were giving him lines that, frankly,

0:35:35 > 0:35:38didn't have a laugh within 100 yards, you know?

0:35:38 > 0:35:41So he said, "Can I have Johnny Ball write for me?" So they said, "Yes."

0:35:41 > 0:35:42So I started writing for that show.

0:35:42 > 0:35:45I'd do things like... What kind of gags would I write?

0:35:45 > 0:35:48Honestly, you couldn't believe they paid me for this.

0:35:48 > 0:35:51You drop a peanut in beer and it sinks,

0:35:51 > 0:35:53and then it comes up again.

0:35:53 > 0:35:54Why does that happen?

0:35:54 > 0:35:56And thanks to me, Magnus Pyke said,

0:35:56 > 0:36:02"Because the beer is reaching parts of the peanut other beers cannot reach."

0:36:02 > 0:36:04LAUGHTER

0:36:04 > 0:36:06So I got involved with them

0:36:06 > 0:36:08and that's when I thought,

0:36:08 > 0:36:10"I could do this myself, couldn't I?"

0:36:10 > 0:36:12And that's when I did my Think programmes, after that.

0:36:12 > 0:36:16But how did you go into the BBC with the sales pitch for Think Again?

0:36:16 > 0:36:18They said... I was writing the...

0:36:18 > 0:36:21- They approached you?- No.

0:36:21 > 0:36:23They said...

0:36:23 > 0:36:26They said, "If you had your own series what would you do?"

0:36:26 > 0:36:29I said, "I'd do a programme on maths."

0:36:29 > 0:36:32And so that was Think Of A Number.

0:36:32 > 0:36:35But we found that the audience slowed the programme down

0:36:35 > 0:36:38because I could only go at a certain speed.

0:36:38 > 0:36:41So we did Think Again, and the reason we did Think Again is

0:36:41 > 0:36:45because I could do it straight to camera and get,

0:36:45 > 0:36:49we're television, and get more to the audience, the TV audience,

0:36:49 > 0:36:52get more to the TV audience, and that's why we did it.

0:36:52 > 0:36:55And they were my favourite programmes, the Think Agains.

0:36:57 > 0:36:59In the latter years of his life the great Isaac Newton spent much

0:36:59 > 0:37:04of his time studying alchemy, trying to turn base metals into gold.

0:37:04 > 0:37:05He never achieved it,

0:37:05 > 0:37:09but that's perhaps because he never had equipment like this!

0:37:10 > 0:37:13Freed up from having to entertain a studio audience, Think Again

0:37:13 > 0:37:18allowed Johnny to explore a much wider range of topics in depth,

0:37:18 > 0:37:21focusing on one subject for an entire episode.

0:37:21 > 0:37:24Is it? Of course it's not.

0:37:24 > 0:37:27It's the base from which gold paint is made.

0:37:27 > 0:37:31And, as you know, you can buy gold paint in any paint shop in the high street.

0:37:31 > 0:37:35How much gold is there in gold paint? Not a scrap.

0:37:35 > 0:37:38However, you can produce gold in a laboratory.

0:37:38 > 0:37:40It's possible to turn platinum into gold.

0:37:40 > 0:37:43But as platinum is rarer than gold

0:37:43 > 0:37:46and more expensive it's a pointless exercise.

0:37:46 > 0:37:49Besides, you need atomic physics to do it.

0:37:49 > 0:37:50It's all very costly.

0:37:50 > 0:37:53But you can produce startling effects very cheaply

0:37:53 > 0:37:55with other metals.

0:37:55 > 0:37:57Metal like titanium.

0:37:57 > 0:38:01Well, that programme got an International Emmy nomination,

0:38:01 > 0:38:09and it was beaten by a programme with all of 20 times our budget.

0:38:09 > 0:38:12And, oh, it was just wonderful doing those programmes.

0:38:12 > 0:38:15And I think I was, if I can say it,

0:38:15 > 0:38:19I was suddenly at my writing peak.

0:38:19 > 0:38:22- And it was the comedy training, you see.- Yeah.

0:38:22 > 0:38:26You know with a comic, a gag has to go boom, boom, bash. You know?

0:38:26 > 0:38:29It's got a timing. It might be boom, boom, boom, bash.

0:38:29 > 0:38:32And you paint a scene and turn it on its head, and that's comedy.

0:38:32 > 0:38:34You know?

0:38:34 > 0:38:37And so that's how I wrote my scripts -

0:38:37 > 0:38:39as though I was writing comedy.

0:38:39 > 0:38:42So when I was talking about science and it had to go bang. I had to say da! And boom!

0:38:42 > 0:38:45I mean, what you underestimate is how cleverly you were explaining

0:38:45 > 0:38:48these things so children could get a grip on it.

0:38:48 > 0:38:50I just loved the medium.

0:38:50 > 0:38:51I love it.

0:38:51 > 0:38:54And it's just a wonderful thing, television.

0:38:54 > 0:38:57It's a great communicator, the greatest educator.

0:38:57 > 0:39:00We're all better educated because of television. We know more.

0:39:00 > 0:39:02It doesn't matter whether we watch rubbish or not.

0:39:02 > 0:39:05We're all educated because we know you, Johnny Ball.

0:39:05 > 0:39:07- JOHNNY LAUGHS - Well, I see.

0:39:07 > 0:39:10- I'm 77 now, but I'm still working. - You still look good.

0:39:10 > 0:39:14And I'm still working and enjoying it so much.

0:39:14 > 0:39:16We're much better than we think,

0:39:16 > 0:39:21and the future is brighter than anyone can imagine.

0:39:21 > 0:39:25Cos it was, comparing when I was a kid to today,

0:39:25 > 0:39:29much brighter than anyone could have imagined, and it'll go on.

0:39:29 > 0:39:31And that's what you tell your kids.

0:39:31 > 0:39:35And that's how we sell television, that's how we sell education.

0:39:35 > 0:39:37Oh, it should be beautiful

0:39:37 > 0:39:40in the future.

0:39:49 > 0:39:53And, Johnny, is there any TV that you like watching now?

0:39:53 > 0:39:55I love the good detectives.

0:39:55 > 0:39:58I still love the Poirots, I still do,

0:39:58 > 0:39:59even though I've seen them -

0:39:59 > 0:40:01different productions, but done again -

0:40:01 > 0:40:03and I know who's done it. It's lovely.

0:40:03 > 0:40:05I like Not Going Out.

0:40:05 > 0:40:08I think it's fabulous. I think it's absolutely...

0:40:08 > 0:40:12- The programme, or not going out? - Yeah, well, there you are! Yeah.

0:40:12 > 0:40:15Oh, I never don't go out.

0:40:15 > 0:40:17Yeah, Not Going Out I think is a beautiful sitcom.

0:40:17 > 0:40:21It's a lovely thing, and it's...

0:40:21 > 0:40:23Do you know, it's modern in an old tradition, in a way.

0:40:23 > 0:40:26And it's pure. It's just pure and very inventive.

0:40:26 > 0:40:28- And very well written. - Oh, it's gorgeous.

0:40:28 > 0:40:31Lee Mack, isn't it? Oh, he's just wonderful.

0:40:31 > 0:40:33Go on, then, give me a compliment.

0:40:33 > 0:40:35All right.

0:40:35 > 0:40:37In this episode, Lee Mack is finally admitting

0:40:37 > 0:40:41his feelings for long-suffering flatmate Lucy.

0:40:41 > 0:40:45And he's making a typically ham-fisted attempt at it.

0:40:45 > 0:40:47All right, what about this?

0:40:47 > 0:40:48Your eyes look nice.

0:40:48 > 0:40:51- Why do they look nice? - Because...

0:40:51 > 0:40:54your eyelashes look like...

0:40:54 > 0:40:57two tiny little crows that have crashed into the windscreen

0:40:57 > 0:40:59of your face.

0:41:00 > 0:41:03And bringing it back to television and children's TV,

0:41:03 > 0:41:06are you proud that Zoe followed your footsteps?

0:41:06 > 0:41:08Oh, it's just wonderful, you know?

0:41:08 > 0:41:11The great thing is I didn't write my first programme,

0:41:11 > 0:41:13factual programme, till I was 39.

0:41:14 > 0:41:18Zoe had a great opening career then went quiet,

0:41:18 > 0:41:23- and she got Strictly, and she was about 39, 40.- Oh, right.

0:41:23 > 0:41:29- Not Strictly, but It Takes Two. - Mm-hm.- And...

0:41:29 > 0:41:33it's a perfect job for her. It's perfect for her.

0:41:33 > 0:41:38And then you see all the people coming in who, in 16 weeks,

0:41:38 > 0:41:41are incredibly good, you know? It's a beautiful programme.

0:41:41 > 0:41:43- Except for you.- Except for me.

0:41:44 > 0:41:48Leave it out! And she has dovetailed that job.

0:41:48 > 0:41:51It's perfect for her, she's perfect for it,

0:41:51 > 0:41:54- and it'll go on and on, and it's lovely.- Awww!

0:41:54 > 0:41:58Now, I give my guests an opportunity now to pick a theme tune for us

0:41:58 > 0:42:01to play out on. Have you got any thoughts?

0:42:01 > 0:42:05Oh... Right, I wrote five educational stage musicals,

0:42:05 > 0:42:09and one was called Let The Force Be With You.

0:42:09 > 0:42:11And I needed a finishing number.

0:42:11 > 0:42:14And I stole this number...

0:42:15 > 0:42:18- ..which is Mr Ed. - Mr Ed!

0:42:18 > 0:42:20# A horse is a horse, of course, of course

0:42:20 > 0:42:22# And everyone understands... #

0:42:22 > 0:42:25Right. What I wrote was...

0:42:25 > 0:42:28# A force is a force, of course, of course

0:42:28 > 0:42:30# And everyone understands force, of course

0:42:30 > 0:42:32# Especially when, as a matter of course

0:42:32 > 0:42:34# You've seen us performing the show. #

0:42:34 > 0:42:39But that was it. And so writing lyrics, I love. Finding the tunes...

0:42:39 > 0:42:42Yeah, very often they're a bit borrowed.

0:42:42 > 0:42:44So, Johnny, thank you for being on,

0:42:44 > 0:42:47- and you're going to go out with Mr Ed...- With Mr Ed.

0:42:47 > 0:42:49- ..as your play-out tune.- Right.

0:42:49 > 0:42:51So it's my thanks to YOU, Johnny Ball,

0:42:51 > 0:42:53and my thanks to YOU for watching The TV That Made Me.

0:42:53 > 0:42:57- We'll see you next time. Bye-bye!- See ya!

0:42:57 > 0:42:59# And no-one can talk to a horse, of course

0:42:59 > 0:43:03# That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr Ed

0:43:03 > 0:43:06# Go right to the source and ask the horse

0:43:06 > 0:43:08# He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse

0:43:08 > 0:43:10# He's always on a steady course

0:43:10 > 0:43:12# Talk to Mr Ed!

0:43:12 > 0:43:14# A horse is a horse, of course, of course

0:43:14 > 0:43:16# And this one will talk till his voice is hoarse

0:43:16 > 0:43:19# You never heard of a talking horse?

0:43:21 > 0:43:23# Well, listen to this!

0:43:23 > 0:43:26# I am Mr Ed! #