0:00:02 > 0:00:04It was a show that went out three nights a week, live...
0:00:04 > 0:00:05Mr Wogan, you're on. You're on.
0:00:05 > 0:00:07With a live audience
0:00:07 > 0:00:09and everyone who's anyone dropping in.
0:00:09 > 0:00:12The great and the good, the bad and the ugly.
0:00:12 > 0:00:13They called it Wogan.
0:00:13 > 0:00:15Ha, I never knew why.
0:00:15 > 0:00:18So, if you're sitting comfortably,
0:00:18 > 0:00:20I'll show you something I made earlier.
0:00:20 > 0:00:23God knows what they'll make of us in 25 years' time.
0:00:35 > 0:00:40Today it's all about the special relationship and my particular part
0:00:40 > 0:00:44in keeping it going because the Americans are coming.
0:00:44 > 0:00:48In the shape of Stevie Wonder, Tony Curtis, Victoria Principal,
0:00:48 > 0:00:50and Michael J Fox.
0:00:51 > 0:00:54Yes, there was always a little frisson of excitement
0:00:54 > 0:00:57on the show when our presence was graced by a big name
0:00:57 > 0:00:58from across the pond,
0:00:58 > 0:01:03bringing a bit of Hollywood sparkle to dear old Shepherd's Bush.
0:01:03 > 0:01:05And one such visitor was Rock Hudson,
0:01:05 > 0:01:07one of the cinema's most popular leading men.
0:01:07 > 0:01:08Unknown to anyone,
0:01:08 > 0:01:13Rock had been diagnosed with HIV three months before this interview,
0:01:13 > 0:01:16and the year after he came on the show, sadly he passed away.
0:01:17 > 0:01:22I found him warm and funny and unaffected by his fame.
0:01:22 > 0:01:24When were you first in Europe?
0:01:24 > 0:01:26- First?- Yeah, when did you come over here?
0:01:26 > 0:01:28- Were you an actor when you came over here?- Yes,
0:01:28 > 0:01:29- 1950. Huh.- Yes.
0:01:29 > 0:01:31- PLUMMY ACCENT:- Yah.
0:01:31 > 0:01:32AUDIENCE CHUCKLES
0:01:32 > 0:01:34Were you over here to make a movie?
0:01:34 > 0:01:37Yes. In London, Channel Islands.
0:01:37 > 0:01:39What was that one?
0:01:39 > 0:01:41- Do you r...? - ALL LAUGH
0:01:41 > 0:01:44Erm, the Sea Devil, it was called.
0:01:44 > 0:01:47- You obviously...- Don't ask me what it was called, I don't remember.
0:01:47 > 0:01:50I was going to say you remember it with a great deal of affection.
0:01:50 > 0:01:52LAUGHTER
0:01:52 > 0:01:55And now you're back here again with us. Do you visit very often?
0:01:55 > 0:01:57And is it easy for you to travel around?
0:01:57 > 0:02:02Well, I love England, I love London, so as much as I can, yes.
0:02:02 > 0:02:05- Um...- But it can't be easy for you to be anonymous.
0:02:05 > 0:02:08- Oh, yes, it can.- Can it?- Oh, yes.
0:02:08 > 0:02:11- And I walk fast.- Oh. - AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:02:11 > 0:02:13I would have recognised you immediately.
0:02:13 > 0:02:14- No, you wouldn't.- Wouldn't I?- No.
0:02:14 > 0:02:15I walk too fast.
0:02:15 > 0:02:20- Who were your idols when you decided to go into movies?- Spencer Tracy.
0:02:20 > 0:02:22- Is that who you wanted to be? - Oh, yes.
0:02:22 > 0:02:25- You were too tall for Spencer Tracy. - I know, I know. I don't care.
0:02:25 > 0:02:26LAUGHTER
0:02:26 > 0:02:29I don't care, I loved him.
0:02:29 > 0:02:31As your film career developed...
0:02:31 > 0:02:35and I watched it closely cos I was your great fan - still am.
0:02:35 > 0:02:37- Thank you.- As you... I'm not a fan of many people.
0:02:37 > 0:02:39- You didn't see the Sea Devils. - I didn't see the Sea...
0:02:39 > 0:02:41Who says I didn't see the Sea Devils?
0:02:41 > 0:02:43- You don't remember if you did. - I was testing you.
0:02:43 > 0:02:45AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:02:45 > 0:02:46What was it about?
0:02:46 > 0:02:50It was about these people on the sea playing a very vital role in the
0:02:50 > 0:02:56struggle to keep Europe and mankind free from the fascist threat.
0:02:56 > 0:02:59Was it?! LAUGHTER
0:02:59 > 0:03:00You were in it.
0:03:02 > 0:03:04I don't remember, I really don't.
0:03:04 > 0:03:06THEY LAUGH
0:03:06 > 0:03:12Films like Pillow Talk seem very tame now by comparison with
0:03:12 > 0:03:14today's more explicit standards.
0:03:14 > 0:03:15Do you regret the way films have gone
0:03:15 > 0:03:17in terms of being more explicit?
0:03:17 > 0:03:22No, I don't. I must tell you something I find interesting,
0:03:22 > 0:03:27Pillow Talk was, I don't know, 20 years ago, 25 years ago.
0:03:28 > 0:03:30We almost didn't do it because it was too dirty.
0:03:32 > 0:03:34SMATTERING OF LAUGHTER
0:03:34 > 0:03:36Were those the days you had to keep a foot on the floor
0:03:36 > 0:03:38- when you got on the bed?- Yes.
0:03:38 > 0:03:40It had to be single beds, didn't it?
0:03:40 > 0:03:43Yes, but also, in getting back to your question...
0:03:45 > 0:03:47AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:03:48 > 0:03:49I...
0:03:53 > 0:03:58I, like, remember vividly in a Western, I was cut off at the pass
0:03:58 > 0:03:59- by...- I fairly saw it.
0:03:59 > 0:04:03LAUGHTER Yes. And I had to say, "Oh, darn it."
0:04:04 > 0:04:08There's better things to say at that moment, right?
0:04:08 > 0:04:10- Today you can say them.- Yeah.
0:04:10 > 0:04:11We couldn't say them then.
0:04:11 > 0:04:13It might have dented the old image a bit
0:04:13 > 0:04:16though if they'd heard you using more...
0:04:17 > 0:04:20- Why?- ..rigorous language, mightn't it?- Why?
0:04:20 > 0:04:24Well, because I think the heroes in those days had to be more clean-cut.
0:04:24 > 0:04:26- Do you think so?- More... Yes.
0:04:27 > 0:04:30- I mean, I think... - Isn't tall enough?
0:04:30 > 0:04:31LAUGHTER
0:04:31 > 0:04:33Tall is good.
0:04:33 > 0:04:35Tall is very, very good.
0:04:35 > 0:04:39I've tried to say that but sometimes it doesn't work.
0:04:39 > 0:04:41I bump my head a lot.
0:04:41 > 0:04:43What about breaking into the films first,
0:04:43 > 0:04:45to get back to how you got in the first place?
0:04:45 > 0:04:46Before Sea Devils?
0:04:48 > 0:04:50Was there anything before Sea Devils?!
0:04:50 > 0:04:52Yes.
0:04:52 > 0:04:53Only the silent, surely.
0:04:55 > 0:04:56HE SIGHS
0:04:56 > 0:04:57LAUGHTER
0:04:59 > 0:05:01How did you actually break in?
0:05:01 > 0:05:04Uh, this is going to sound smug - and I don't mean it to -
0:05:04 > 0:05:06I applied for a job and got it.
0:05:06 > 0:05:08Um...
0:05:08 > 0:05:10Only because I didn't know any better.
0:05:10 > 0:05:14I just sent some pictures around and asked for interviews
0:05:14 > 0:05:17and I got one interview and...
0:05:17 > 0:05:18Got the part from there?
0:05:18 > 0:05:22Well, no, that man became my agent a couple of years later and...
0:05:22 > 0:05:24he took me around to a director and the director said,
0:05:24 > 0:05:26"Fine, put him in the...
0:05:26 > 0:05:28"Put him in this film, see what he looks like,
0:05:28 > 0:05:30"give him some lines here and there."
0:05:30 > 0:05:31And that's how it started.
0:05:31 > 0:05:34What about the lovely ladies with whom you've acted,
0:05:34 > 0:05:36Liz Taylor in Giant?
0:05:36 > 0:05:40- Do you keep on touch with them? - Oh, yes, yes, yes.
0:05:40 > 0:05:42She's a very, very good friend.
0:05:42 > 0:05:45- And Doris Day?- Yes.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48She lives just below San Francisco now.
0:05:48 > 0:05:50She doesn't live in Los Angeles any more.
0:05:50 > 0:05:55Was she as sweet and bubbly in real life as she was on the films?
0:05:55 > 0:06:00We never...stopped laughing. We had uncontrollable giggles.
0:06:00 > 0:06:02We couldn't stop.
0:06:02 > 0:06:04We couldn't look at each other.
0:06:04 > 0:06:07Um, I remember one...
0:06:07 > 0:06:10- I'm going to take a little time. - Of course.- I have to explain this.
0:06:10 > 0:06:14We were doing this shot supposedly on the beach. This was in a sound stage.
0:06:14 > 0:06:16We were lying on the sand, you see,
0:06:16 > 0:06:19and the camera was up here shooting straight down.
0:06:19 > 0:06:22And this was to be just a couple of shots before lunch.
0:06:22 > 0:06:25And then during lunch they would move to another sound stage
0:06:25 > 0:06:26to do another scene.
0:06:28 > 0:06:31And it was a scene where I was trying to get her to kiss me.
0:06:31 > 0:06:34I was trying to make her be aggressive
0:06:34 > 0:06:35and I was playing the innocent.
0:06:37 > 0:06:42And I had lines like, "I'd like to kiss you but I don't know how."
0:06:44 > 0:06:45And... AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:06:45 > 0:06:48And then she had to say...
0:06:48 > 0:06:49She had to say, "Oh, well, that's easy,"
0:06:49 > 0:06:51and lean over and plant one on me.
0:06:51 > 0:06:53And then of course the joke is over.
0:06:53 > 0:06:56Now I'm supposed to take over and give her a proper one.
0:06:56 > 0:06:57Well...
0:06:57 > 0:07:01You can't roll over smoothly
0:07:01 > 0:07:02and our teeth clicked.
0:07:04 > 0:07:06- TERRY LAUGHS - The first kiss?
0:07:06 > 0:07:08And then...
0:07:09 > 0:07:11We were there a day and a half trying...
0:07:11 > 0:07:12LAUGHTER
0:07:12 > 0:07:15..to get the scene and we just couldn't.
0:07:15 > 0:07:18I mean, we would look at each other, we would spew in each other's faces.
0:07:20 > 0:07:21Great fun, I love it.
0:07:23 > 0:07:26Rock Hudson, one of my favourite guests.
0:07:26 > 0:07:29And here's another great Hollywood character
0:07:29 > 0:07:32and another heart-throb from the golden age of cinema,
0:07:32 > 0:07:38a man of many more parts than a famous '60s hairdo - Tony Curtis.
0:07:38 > 0:07:42Looking back to those '50s and '60s, you were the trendsetter.
0:07:42 > 0:07:45You were Tony Curtis, people copied you in everything you did.
0:07:45 > 0:07:48- Were you conscious that you were setting trends?- I was unconscious.
0:07:48 > 0:07:50LAUGHTER
0:07:50 > 0:07:54Really unconscious. I never... I really have never planned anything.
0:07:54 > 0:07:56You know, everything has always been somewhat spontaneous
0:07:56 > 0:07:59and just...I just let it happen.
0:07:59 > 0:08:04I didn't try to imagine myself as a trendsetter one way or the other,
0:08:04 > 0:08:05I just wanted to get through the day.
0:08:05 > 0:08:08Do you know, the meaning comes after the work.
0:08:08 > 0:08:10- Yeah.- Life is only...
0:08:10 > 0:08:13The only way you can come to any conclusion about life
0:08:13 > 0:08:14is after you've lived it.
0:08:14 > 0:08:16- People ask me, when am I going to... - But then you're dead!
0:08:16 > 0:08:19Yeah, but... People have asked me to write an autobiography.
0:08:19 > 0:08:21I said, "But I can't do it, I don't know how it'll end."
0:08:21 > 0:08:24- Yes, but it'll be too late by the time...- Yeah, right.
0:08:24 > 0:08:25And then who would want to read it?
0:08:25 > 0:08:28Well, I mean, a lot of people are writing sort of Hollywood exposes.
0:08:28 > 0:08:29Oh, well, yes.
0:08:29 > 0:08:32But, like, Jackie Collins writing Hollywood Wives,
0:08:32 > 0:08:34I've had more Hollywood wives than she has!
0:08:34 > 0:08:36AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:08:36 > 0:08:38- I mean, you know, it's crazy. - Boasting again.- Yeah, I know!
0:08:38 > 0:08:41ALL LAUGH
0:08:41 > 0:08:45- It's not like that anyway, is it? - No, no, no.- Of course, it's worse.
0:08:45 > 0:08:47Worse, worse, worse! And you, Terry, how are you?
0:08:47 > 0:08:50I'm bearing up under the unequal strain. It's the throat, you know.
0:08:50 > 0:08:52How many of these shows have you done so far?
0:08:52 > 0:08:54- AUDIENCE:- Ahh. - Oh, shut up!
0:08:54 > 0:08:57- They couldn't care less about me. - No?
0:08:57 > 0:08:59Just before the show started, I went down and I breathed on them
0:08:59 > 0:09:01and they all ran out.
0:09:01 > 0:09:04It's the barber you go to.
0:09:04 > 0:09:06I shouldn't have had that garlic last night.
0:09:06 > 0:09:08Listen, how did you get on to talking about me?
0:09:08 > 0:09:09This interview is about you.
0:09:09 > 0:09:11- Yeah, you think so? - You, you!- Yeah, OK.
0:09:11 > 0:09:13It's just cos, do you ever say to yourself...
0:09:13 > 0:09:17- "Here's me, the boy from the Bronx"?- No, I don't.- Why not?
0:09:17 > 0:09:19Well, because I didn't come from the Bronx.
0:09:19 > 0:09:20LAUGHTER
0:09:20 > 0:09:22APPLAUSE
0:09:26 > 0:09:28I came from Manhattan.
0:09:29 > 0:09:31And I was born and raised in Manhattan.
0:09:31 > 0:09:32I lived in the Bronx once but that's...
0:09:32 > 0:09:36Listen, if I'd wanted a geography lesson, I would have asked you!
0:09:36 > 0:09:38- Right.- Why didn't you come from the Bronx?
0:09:38 > 0:09:41- Oh, yeah, right.- You ruined the whole thing about coming from the Bronx!
0:09:41 > 0:09:43Well, you know, you've kind of put me...
0:09:43 > 0:09:45May I stand up for a minute? I'm going to button my jacket.
0:09:45 > 0:09:48You just told me about buttoning jackets and sitting down.
0:09:48 > 0:09:50- Then sit down again. - Getting up and down.
0:09:50 > 0:09:52As a matter of fact, I'm going to stand up and open it again.
0:09:52 > 0:09:54If you were from the Bronx, you would have done that
0:09:54 > 0:09:55properly in the first place.
0:09:55 > 0:09:57- Right.- Now it turns out you come from Manhattan.
0:09:57 > 0:09:59- Yeah. I've forgotten what you said. - Yeah.
0:09:59 > 0:10:01But when you got down, did you think...
0:10:01 > 0:10:04Because remembering the parts that you had and all the rest of it,
0:10:04 > 0:10:07you had a very marked Bronx accent, although you came from Manhattan.
0:10:07 > 0:10:11Let me say this, living is living from the first day you're born.
0:10:11 > 0:10:14The fact that you end up in the movies doesn't make you any
0:10:14 > 0:10:17more special than before you ended up in the movies.
0:10:17 > 0:10:19- Course not.- So, you know, I don't reflect that.
0:10:19 > 0:10:22I don't pull "a little boy from the Bronx or Manhattan ends up
0:10:22 > 0:10:23"a famous movie actor."
0:10:23 > 0:10:27To me, both are distinct, strong and positive.
0:10:27 > 0:10:30One cannot forget your past and you cannot forget your present.
0:10:30 > 0:10:31And you hope for the future.
0:10:31 > 0:10:33You know, one...
0:10:33 > 0:10:35I've learned a very important lesson.
0:10:35 > 0:10:38I've come through a very serious illness.
0:10:38 > 0:10:41I'm an alcoholic and have a drug addiction
0:10:41 > 0:10:44and this really almost killed me
0:10:44 > 0:10:45and I didn't know it.
0:10:45 > 0:10:49I thought I was weak-willed, and this was what usually people
0:10:49 > 0:10:52thought of people who drank a lot or used drugs.
0:10:52 > 0:10:55But I have since found out through research that's been
0:10:55 > 0:10:58done in America that it's a disease.
0:10:58 > 0:11:00And it's a disease that you have to fight as a disease.
0:11:00 > 0:11:05It's an incurable disease that can be cured only by abstinence.
0:11:05 > 0:11:10So therefore, I thank God that I'm still alive and able to battle it
0:11:10 > 0:11:13and able to help as many friends as possible in that.
0:11:13 > 0:11:17So you see, that, the fact that I'm alive talking with you here,
0:11:17 > 0:11:21with these fine people here, that in itself is the blessing.
0:11:21 > 0:11:24And also it's full marks to you for the strength of character
0:11:24 > 0:11:28- that it takes.- Well, the character only comes from the researching
0:11:28 > 0:11:31and I can't spread the gospel enough.
0:11:31 > 0:11:34There was a time where I said, "Oh, it's all just a rhetoric
0:11:34 > 0:11:39"and it's all political, you know, drinking and drugs,
0:11:39 > 0:11:41"they're just saying that because they don't want..." Whatever.
0:11:41 > 0:11:42But it's true.
0:11:42 > 0:11:45It is killing and it's doing a lot of damage to a lot of young
0:11:45 > 0:11:50people in the world and we all are, I feel owed to somehow
0:11:50 > 0:11:53give a lift and confidant support to as many young people as possible.
0:11:53 > 0:11:55Good for you. Well, thank you for saying that.
0:11:55 > 0:11:58- That's important.- There's just something I have to give you.
0:11:58 > 0:12:00- A little surprise.- Oh, my God.
0:12:00 > 0:12:02- Even as we speak... - Where did you get that from?!
0:12:02 > 0:12:05- I've been hiding it for some years. - 'Ello!- The old cane and JR hat.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07BRITISH ACCENT: Cor blimey.
0:12:07 > 0:12:09- How long have you been missing that? - Where did this come from?
0:12:09 > 0:12:12- I stole it last time you were here. - I've been missing it for...
0:12:12 > 0:12:14- No!- I nicked it from you, yes. - Did you nick it from me?
0:12:14 > 0:12:16- The old cane and the hat.- Bend over!
0:12:16 > 0:12:17Look at that.
0:12:17 > 0:12:19Well, I'm so glad you've got my stick and hat for me.
0:12:19 > 0:12:21- It's another nice... - Isn't it wonderful, yes?
0:12:21 > 0:12:23I love it. Where did you find it?
0:12:23 > 0:12:25- Let that be my little secret. - All righty then.
0:12:25 > 0:12:28- What a surprise show this is. - Tony Curtis, ladies and gentlemen.
0:12:28 > 0:12:30How happy I am to be here, ladies and gentlemen.
0:12:30 > 0:12:33CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:12:33 > 0:12:37You got my hat back! Clever man.
0:12:39 > 0:12:42Lord knows where the hat and cane came from.
0:12:42 > 0:12:44Now, while I try to remember,
0:12:44 > 0:12:49a bar or two of a song from an icon of country music,
0:12:49 > 0:12:51the great Willie Nelson.
0:12:51 > 0:12:53APPLAUSE
0:12:57 > 0:13:01# Maybe I didn't love you
0:13:03 > 0:13:06# Quite as often as I could have
0:13:09 > 0:13:12# Maybe I didn't treat you
0:13:15 > 0:13:17# Quite as good as I should have
0:13:21 > 0:13:25# If I made you feel second-best
0:13:27 > 0:13:31# Girl, I'm sorry, I was blind
0:13:33 > 0:13:37# But you were always on my mind
0:13:40 > 0:13:44# You were always on my mind
0:13:47 > 0:13:51# Maybe I didn't hold you
0:13:54 > 0:13:58# All those lonely, lonely times
0:14:01 > 0:14:05# I guess I never told you
0:14:08 > 0:14:10# That I'm so happy that you're mine
0:14:14 > 0:14:18# Little things I should have said and done
0:14:21 > 0:14:23# I just never took the time
0:14:26 > 0:14:31# But you were always on my mind
0:14:33 > 0:14:36# You were always on my mind
0:14:39 > 0:14:42# Tell me
0:14:45 > 0:14:49# Tell me that your sweet love hasn't died
0:14:52 > 0:14:55# And give me
0:14:57 > 0:15:01# Give me one more chance to keep you satisfied
0:15:03 > 0:15:05# I'll keep you satisfied
0:15:09 > 0:15:12# Maybe I didn't love you
0:15:15 > 0:15:17# Quite as often as I could have
0:15:20 > 0:15:24# Maybe I didn't treat you
0:15:27 > 0:15:29# Quite as good as I should have
0:15:33 > 0:15:37# Little things I should have said and done
0:15:40 > 0:15:42# I just never took the time
0:15:45 > 0:15:50# But you were always on my mind
0:15:52 > 0:15:56# You were always on my mind
0:15:58 > 0:16:04# You were always on my mind
0:16:05 > 0:16:11# You were always on my mind. #
0:16:15 > 0:16:17APPLAUSE
0:16:21 > 0:16:25Willie won multiple Grammy awards for that, and rightly so.
0:16:25 > 0:16:29We're meeting a real tough guy now, always the baddie.
0:16:29 > 0:16:32The very look of him would frighten the horses.
0:16:32 > 0:16:36And the voice - like gravel on a gravestone.
0:16:36 > 0:16:38Lee Marvin.
0:16:38 > 0:16:43It must be said that you look more like Lee Marvin than Lee Marvin.
0:16:43 > 0:16:45You're one of the very few Hollywood stars
0:16:45 > 0:16:48who looks every inch what you think he's going to look like.
0:16:48 > 0:16:50I think that's because I don't use much make up,
0:16:50 > 0:16:52- because it doesn't help.- Yeah.
0:16:52 > 0:16:54I use a lot and it doesn't help me at all.
0:16:54 > 0:16:56Well, we're both in the same boat.
0:16:56 > 0:16:59But you do look the sort of a fellow that very rarely got sand
0:16:59 > 0:17:01kicked in his face on the beach.
0:17:02 > 0:17:04I mean, are you tough?
0:17:04 > 0:17:06No, I think I am...
0:17:06 > 0:17:08I have the opportunity to play it tough
0:17:08 > 0:17:10which saves me a lot of bruises.
0:17:11 > 0:17:12You don't get many fellas
0:17:12 > 0:17:15coming up to you in a bar trying to pick fights, do you?
0:17:15 > 0:17:17No, but I buy a lot of them drinks so they don't.
0:17:17 > 0:17:19LAUGHTER
0:17:19 > 0:17:22That's like the best way to protect yourself.
0:17:22 > 0:17:26Was this the kind of defence with you really, acting tough?
0:17:26 > 0:17:27Well, it's acting out.
0:17:27 > 0:17:29It saves me from getting locked up or spending
0:17:29 > 0:17:30a lot of time in gaol.
0:17:30 > 0:17:33And you get rid of it on the screen, you know,
0:17:33 > 0:17:34so don't have to do it on the street.
0:17:34 > 0:17:36But you were a marine.
0:17:36 > 0:17:38Did you have to act tough as a marine
0:17:38 > 0:17:40to hide your fear for instance?
0:17:40 > 0:17:43Well, you have to do a lot of acting to hide that.
0:17:43 > 0:17:45I guess that's where I learned how to act.
0:17:45 > 0:17:46- In the marines?- Yeah.
0:17:46 > 0:17:48But you picked up a Purple Heart, which is something
0:17:48 > 0:17:49we don't hear too often.
0:17:49 > 0:17:51You're suitably modest about it.
0:17:51 > 0:17:53How did you win that?
0:17:53 > 0:17:57You don't win them, you get them when you get hit.
0:17:57 > 0:17:59So in other words, I'd rather not have it.
0:17:59 > 0:18:01AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:18:01 > 0:18:02Did you get hit in a very vulnerable place?
0:18:02 > 0:18:04Yes, I got hit in the...
0:18:04 > 0:18:05HE MOUTHS
0:18:05 > 0:18:07LAUGHTER
0:18:07 > 0:18:09This doesn't give me much to talk about, right, Terry?
0:18:10 > 0:18:13ALL LAUGH
0:18:13 > 0:18:15APPLAUSE
0:18:18 > 0:18:20So you obviously were hospitalised after that.
0:18:20 > 0:18:22And then... Was it then you decided to be an actor
0:18:22 > 0:18:24while you were in hospital setting there festering?
0:18:24 > 0:18:27No, I was trying to figure out how to get out of the Marine Corp then.
0:18:28 > 0:18:32And after the war was over... I was discharged just before that.
0:18:32 > 0:18:37..I just went into the normal jobs that a 21-year-old scout sniper would
0:18:37 > 0:18:39go into in civilian life, right?
0:18:39 > 0:18:41I was digging ditches.
0:18:41 > 0:18:43So...
0:18:43 > 0:18:45I just happened to be in a community that was kind of artsy
0:18:45 > 0:18:47and they had a little summer start company there
0:18:47 > 0:18:50and I fell in with the girls and the boys of that group
0:18:50 > 0:18:53and I liked it very much and just stayed with them.
0:18:53 > 0:18:54And then went to Hollywood?
0:18:54 > 0:18:57Eventually, yeah. The theatre first and then, you know, that route.
0:18:57 > 0:19:01Did you get as typecast in the theatre as you subsequently were
0:19:01 > 0:19:04- in Hollywood?- Oh, no, the theatre was wide open.
0:19:04 > 0:19:08You could hide behind wigs and costumes, where the camera is
0:19:08 > 0:19:11a little more intimate than that so I couldn't disguise myself too well.
0:19:11 > 0:19:13Hmm, I mean, this tough appearance made them
0:19:13 > 0:19:16first cast you as a gangster and a killer?
0:19:16 > 0:19:17No, actually, I think
0:19:17 > 0:19:21the reason I was cast as that is that I wasn't a model-looking,
0:19:21 > 0:19:23young, leading man. I had...
0:19:25 > 0:19:27And so all those guys were the heavies,
0:19:27 > 0:19:28so I was one of those guys,
0:19:28 > 0:19:29so I became a heavy and that was it.
0:19:29 > 0:19:32Did you enjoy it, punching John Wayne for instance?
0:19:32 > 0:19:33Well, anybody enjoys that.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35LAUGHTER
0:19:35 > 0:19:36And getting away with it.
0:19:38 > 0:19:40Did you ever get hurt in any of those screen fights?
0:19:40 > 0:19:43I know you ducked the punches and there was a lot of extras
0:19:43 > 0:19:46and all that, but did John Wayne ever land a good one on you?
0:19:46 > 0:19:48No, no, we've always avoided each other on that
0:19:48 > 0:19:51because we had to go to work tomorrow, you know?
0:19:51 > 0:19:55And so it's...it's a dance, it's a choreographed dance.
0:19:55 > 0:19:58- Hmm.- So, no, I was never really injured in films.
0:19:58 > 0:20:00You also have a reputation...
0:20:00 > 0:20:03I'm sure it still doesn't hold good.
0:20:03 > 0:20:07..of being something of a drinker in your halcyon days.
0:20:07 > 0:20:11- Oh, yes, I was much younger.- Was that like being the old gunfighter
0:20:11 > 0:20:14that people would come up and challenge you to drinking bouts?
0:20:14 > 0:20:16Didn't you have a famous one with Oliver Reed once where
0:20:16 > 0:20:19he challenged you to drink yourselves unconscious?
0:20:21 > 0:20:24- LAUGHTER - You don't remember?
0:20:26 > 0:20:29- I did a film with Ollie, yeah. - Do you not remember the drinking?
0:20:29 > 0:20:31I think we were in Mexico, I'm not sure.
0:20:35 > 0:20:37Well, it was fun whatever it was.
0:20:37 > 0:20:39LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
0:20:44 > 0:20:45Did...
0:20:45 > 0:20:48But at the time... I know you hardly touch the stuff now at all.
0:20:50 > 0:20:54At the time, did your legendary drinking prowess have anything
0:20:54 > 0:20:56to do with you getting the part of the drunken gunfighter?
0:20:58 > 0:21:02No, but I took the horse out and got him the part.
0:21:02 > 0:21:04- Cos he was drunk as well, wasn't he?- He had to be.
0:21:04 > 0:21:07I mean, he wouldn't drink, so I had to talk to him for a while.
0:21:07 > 0:21:11But he made me very good in that film, that horse.
0:21:13 > 0:21:15Friendship goes a long way with a few little...
0:21:16 > 0:21:17Have you always been a family man?
0:21:19 > 0:21:22Well, that was out of necessity, you know, that's...
0:21:22 > 0:21:24They were just there?
0:21:24 > 0:21:26No, the sheriff was there.
0:21:26 > 0:21:29- Or her father with a gun? - That's what I'm saying.
0:21:29 > 0:21:30ALL LAUGH
0:21:32 > 0:21:34Sweetheart.
0:21:34 > 0:21:35My wife is in the audience.
0:21:35 > 0:21:38I think she's probably been, would you say one of the most
0:21:38 > 0:21:42effective things in your late mellowing?
0:21:42 > 0:21:45Has she eventually worn you down?
0:21:45 > 0:21:47Well, even in my early mellowing...
0:21:47 > 0:21:51- Sorry.- Yeah, she's been around a long time in my life.
0:21:51 > 0:21:53I met her when she was 15 and I was 21.
0:21:54 > 0:21:56And justice was finally done.
0:21:58 > 0:22:00She made an honest man of you, did she?
0:22:00 > 0:22:03Or the town did, I've forgotten which one.
0:22:03 > 0:22:04LAUGHTER
0:22:04 > 0:22:05And now I'm an honest man.
0:22:05 > 0:22:08We're delighted to see you, Lee, and thank you for coming.
0:22:08 > 0:22:10Thank you. APPLAUSE
0:22:10 > 0:22:12WHISTLING AND CHEERING
0:22:21 > 0:22:25Like every other chat show, Wogan thrived on big names,
0:22:25 > 0:22:29but of course it was great to meet stars in the making
0:22:29 > 0:22:31at the beginning of their careers.
0:22:31 > 0:22:34Here's one of them - Michael J Fox, about to become
0:22:34 > 0:22:36one of the world's biggest celebrities...
0:22:36 > 0:22:38Well, being fairly small.
0:22:38 > 0:22:41..with the release of the first of the Back To The Future films.
0:22:45 > 0:22:47AUDIENCE APPLAUDS
0:22:50 > 0:22:51Just saying, to see, Michael...
0:22:51 > 0:22:55Cos I saw a screening of that movie and it really is sensational.
0:22:55 > 0:22:57- I'm glad you liked it. - And I have to say that,
0:22:57 > 0:23:00isn't the real star of the film the car?
0:23:01 > 0:23:04Well, yeah, but you don't have to tell me that.
0:23:04 > 0:23:05Yeah, no, the car is incredible.
0:23:05 > 0:23:07This is a DeLorean car,
0:23:07 > 0:23:08which goes back and forward into the future.
0:23:08 > 0:23:11- Right.- And takes you back...
0:23:11 > 0:23:13Back into the past and then you've got to try
0:23:13 > 0:23:14and get back to the future with this.
0:23:14 > 0:23:17You can never explain this movie. That's the good thing about it.
0:23:17 > 0:23:19I thought I just explained it in ten seconds.
0:23:19 > 0:23:20People really have to go and see it.
0:23:20 > 0:23:24Yeah, it's a DeLorean that this friend of mine who's a mad scientist
0:23:24 > 0:23:29converts into a time machine and I get kind of trapped in it.
0:23:29 > 0:23:32It takes me back to the '50s and I run into my parents
0:23:32 > 0:23:36and screw things up royally and have to kind of get it...
0:23:36 > 0:23:39- I have to introduce my parents... - Yeah.- ..otherwise, I won't exist
0:23:39 > 0:23:42and my mother is kind of smitten with me,
0:23:42 > 0:23:45- which is a sticky situation. - That's right.
0:23:45 > 0:23:47But the film manages to get over that...
0:23:47 > 0:23:50- Yeah, it handles it really well. - ..Oedipal situation.- Right. Right.
0:23:50 > 0:23:52It's the kind of all-American
0:23:52 > 0:23:54teen hero that you play, though, isn't it?
0:23:54 > 0:23:56Kind of, yeah, which is good for a Canadian.
0:23:56 > 0:23:58LAUGHTER
0:23:58 > 0:24:01You can feel a bit uneasy being a Canadian playing...?
0:24:01 > 0:24:03No, it's kind of funny, actually, cos people say that.
0:24:03 > 0:24:07Kind of the all-American kid from Vancouver, which is really great.
0:24:07 > 0:24:10I mean, the thing about the film was you went back in time
0:24:10 > 0:24:15- and subtly changed your own life by being back in the past.- Right.
0:24:15 > 0:24:17Would you...? I mean, did it make you think at all...
0:24:17 > 0:24:19It certainly made me think.
0:24:19 > 0:24:21..how much you'd like to go back in time and see things?
0:24:21 > 0:24:23Um, you know, I thought about that
0:24:23 > 0:24:27cos it was something that I thought about when I was doing it -
0:24:27 > 0:24:29what would I change or what would I alter?
0:24:29 > 0:24:32I don't think I'd change anything. I mean, it worked out all right.
0:24:32 > 0:24:35- I mean, here I am.- Certainly worked out for you, yeah.- I'm in England.
0:24:35 > 0:24:39- You're supposed to be about 17 or 18 in the movie.- Right.
0:24:39 > 0:24:40How old are you in real life?
0:24:40 > 0:24:43- HE MUMBLES - Are you?- Yeah. No, I'm 24.
0:24:43 > 0:24:45- You don't look it. - No, I know. I know.
0:24:45 > 0:24:48I think I made a deal somewhere along the line and I don't want to know...
0:24:48 > 0:24:51You haven't got a painting in an attic anywhere, have you?
0:24:51 > 0:24:54There may be. There may be. But, yeah, I've just been real lucky.
0:24:54 > 0:24:57How did you manage to stay so fresh doing that movie?
0:24:57 > 0:24:58Because I know you were also shooting
0:24:58 > 0:25:03a very successful Family Ties series that you do in the States.
0:25:03 > 0:25:07It was a strange situation cos I worked on Family Ties
0:25:07 > 0:25:09from ten in the morning until about six at night
0:25:09 > 0:25:12and then I'd get in a car and go over to Universal
0:25:12 > 0:25:14and work until about two, 2:30 in the morning.
0:25:14 > 0:25:19But the people, the energy involved, with the other people in the film,
0:25:19 > 0:25:22was just so great that you were just so inspired when you got there.
0:25:22 > 0:25:26Bob Zemeckis, who directed it, is a total lunatic,
0:25:26 > 0:25:29but happily, can be productive in society
0:25:29 > 0:25:34by making films and he really had a lot of energy.
0:25:34 > 0:25:36And I guess there's the other Stevie Wonder.
0:25:36 > 0:25:38Not the one who was here tonight,
0:25:38 > 0:25:42but Steven Spielberg certainly had things going and under control.
0:25:42 > 0:25:44So, it was something that I really believed in.
0:25:44 > 0:25:47He's making so many movies at the moment, Steven Spielberg,
0:25:47 > 0:25:49that eventually, this programme will be made up
0:25:49 > 0:25:51of stars from Steven Spielberg movies
0:25:51 > 0:25:53coming in every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
0:25:53 > 0:25:55You're in America now with the success of Back To The Future.
0:25:55 > 0:25:58You are, I suppose, to be regarded as a superstar
0:25:58 > 0:26:00and yet, here, the movie hasn't opened yet.
0:26:00 > 0:26:04- LAUGHTER - So, nobody knows who you are.- Yeah.
0:26:04 > 0:26:06- LAUGHTER - Where would you rather be?
0:26:06 > 0:26:09- Where would I rather be? - Here or in the States?
0:26:09 > 0:26:12This is fun. This is fun. Especially...
0:26:13 > 0:26:15I went out for a drink
0:26:15 > 0:26:18with some friends on Saturday night when I first got in
0:26:18 > 0:26:21and I was quite glad by the end of it that no-one did know who I was.
0:26:21 > 0:26:23TERRY CHUCKLES
0:26:23 > 0:26:27But it's kind of nice to have a bit of both, I think.
0:26:27 > 0:26:30Before it hits and it hits, as it will, very big.
0:26:30 > 0:26:33Well, especially cos London is such a great walking town, you know.
0:26:33 > 0:26:36It's a great place to get out and walk around and see everything
0:26:36 > 0:26:38so it's nice to have seen it like this
0:26:38 > 0:26:41before either they see the movie and like me
0:26:41 > 0:26:43and stop me and talk to me or see the movie
0:26:43 > 0:26:45and want to stone me. LAUGHTER
0:26:45 > 0:26:47So, one way or the other, I've seen London so...
0:26:47 > 0:26:49I don't think they're going to want to stone you.
0:26:49 > 0:26:52I think you're going to be very, very big indeed.
0:26:52 > 0:26:53It's a wonderful movie.
0:26:53 > 0:26:55I hope that everyone here likes the movie. It's a lot of fun.
0:26:55 > 0:26:58- Glad you could drop in and see us. - Thank you. My pleasure.
0:26:58 > 0:27:02- Michael J Fox! - APPLAUSE
0:27:03 > 0:27:06Michael J Fox, still acting today
0:27:06 > 0:27:10and doing so much for the awareness of Parkinson's disease.
0:27:10 > 0:27:11Good man.
0:27:11 > 0:27:14Now, when my next guest Stevie Wonder came on the show,
0:27:14 > 0:27:17he received one of the biggest ovations from the audience
0:27:17 > 0:27:19the Shepherd's Bush Theatre had ever seen.
0:27:19 > 0:27:22Incredibly talented, a child prodigy,
0:27:22 > 0:27:25he told us what it was like growing up in the music industry.
0:27:25 > 0:27:29You really didn't have a normal teenage, then, did you?
0:27:29 > 0:27:32I mean, you were famous by the time you were 12 or 13.
0:27:32 > 0:27:37It was still normal. I mean, my allowance was only 2.50 a week.
0:27:37 > 0:27:38- AUDIENCE:- Aw!
0:27:38 > 0:27:41Give me a break! LAUGHTER
0:27:41 > 0:27:46And, um...you know, I did the normal things.
0:27:46 > 0:27:49I fell in love every week... LAUGHTER
0:27:49 > 0:27:52..by the age of 16.
0:27:52 > 0:27:56At 15, it was the time that...
0:27:56 > 0:27:59Well, I'd been writing for a while, but the first hit that I had
0:27:59 > 0:28:02was in '65 with a song called Uptight
0:28:02 > 0:28:06and that was a tour that we came over here and performed
0:28:06 > 0:28:09and I did the Scotch Club.
0:28:09 > 0:28:12They allowed me to perform and sing there.
0:28:12 > 0:28:14- They didn't serve liquor while I was performing.- Yeah.
0:28:14 > 0:28:18And it was a little cutesy. It was like...
0:28:18 > 0:28:21# Baby, everything is all right
0:28:21 > 0:28:24# Uptight, out of sight. #
0:28:24 > 0:28:26It was like I'm a poor man's son across the railroad track
0:28:26 > 0:28:28The only shirt I own is hanging on my back
0:28:28 > 0:28:31But I'm the envy of every single guy Cos I'm the apple of my girl's eye.
0:28:31 > 0:28:34HE MUMBLES AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:28:34 > 0:28:37- That was around about, what, '65?- '65, yeah.
0:28:37 > 0:28:39- Yeah. And that was... - HE CLEARS HIS THROAT
0:28:39 > 0:28:41Those were very productive years for you, weren't they?
0:28:41 > 0:28:43Between '65 and '70, you had an awful lot of hits,
0:28:43 > 0:28:46like For Once In My Life, My Cherie Amour
0:28:46 > 0:28:48and Yester-Me, Yester-You, Yesterday.
0:28:48 > 0:28:51Do you have a favourite from that time?
0:28:51 > 0:28:53I think probably... HE CLEARS HIS THROAT
0:28:53 > 0:28:54..I enjoyed doing all the songs.
0:28:54 > 0:28:59For Once In My Life, of course, was special because it...
0:29:00 > 0:29:02I kind of changed the song around
0:29:02 > 0:29:05from the way that I guess the writer originally wrote it.
0:29:05 > 0:29:07But I felt that the lyric...
0:29:07 > 0:29:12I mean, the original song by Tony Bennett, of course, is great.
0:29:12 > 0:29:14Of course, he just recorded another one of my songs.
0:29:14 > 0:29:17I'm just kidding. LAUGHTER
0:29:17 > 0:29:19Um, you know, just doing it like...
0:29:20 > 0:29:23# For once in my life I have someone who needs me
0:29:23 > 0:29:26# Someone I've needed so long. #
0:29:26 > 0:29:29HE HUMS
0:29:29 > 0:29:32- It's great like that. - You've forgotten that.- Oh, somewhat.
0:29:32 > 0:29:34But the way that we did it was like...
0:29:34 > 0:29:39# For once in my life I have someone who needs me
0:29:39 > 0:29:41# Someone I've needed so long... #
0:29:41 > 0:29:43I thought it was something that you were supposed to rejoice.
0:29:43 > 0:29:47# For once I can say this is mine You can't take it
0:29:47 > 0:29:50# Long as I know I have love I can make it
0:29:50 > 0:29:54# For once in my life I have someone who needs me
0:29:54 > 0:29:58# Ba-da-da-da-da. #
0:29:58 > 0:30:00You know, that kind of thing.
0:30:00 > 0:30:03CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:30:08 > 0:30:10I must tell you the truth, really.
0:30:10 > 0:30:14What happened was we were supposed to get in last night here
0:30:14 > 0:30:18around ten-something and there was a little trouble with the plane.
0:30:19 > 0:30:20I told them I wanted to fly.
0:30:20 > 0:30:22They said, "No, you can't do that, Steve."
0:30:22 > 0:30:24LAUGHTER I said, "Come on. One time.
0:30:24 > 0:30:26"Let me fly the Concorde one time."
0:30:26 > 0:30:28They said, "No, Steve. You can't do it."
0:30:28 > 0:30:31They said, "You'll be moving too fast to see the turns."
0:30:31 > 0:30:33LAUGHTER
0:30:33 > 0:30:36But so we got in...
0:30:38 > 0:30:39- ..at about five this morning.- Yeah.
0:30:39 > 0:30:41- SIREN WAILS FAINTLY - Hang on.
0:30:41 > 0:30:43I think they're coming for you, Steve!
0:30:43 > 0:30:46Did you do something bad the last time you were here?
0:30:46 > 0:30:49- I told them I was coming to be on your show.- That's it.
0:30:49 > 0:30:51LAUGHTER
0:30:51 > 0:30:53And then in the mid-'70s, you did that wonderful album -
0:30:53 > 0:30:56- Songs In The Key Of Life. - AUDIENCE MEMBER:- Whoo!
0:30:56 > 0:30:59Well, Songs In The Key Of Life... LAUGHTER
0:30:59 > 0:31:00the...
0:31:00 > 0:31:04The one song that... Well, you know, a few songs were very successful
0:31:04 > 0:31:07from Songs In The Key Of Life. The...
0:31:07 > 0:31:09# Isn't she lovely?
0:31:09 > 0:31:11# Isn't she wonderful? #
0:31:11 > 0:31:13About my daughter Aisha.
0:31:13 > 0:31:20And the first song on the album was a song that kind of relates to why...
0:31:20 > 0:31:24One of the major reasons of me being here in England this time.
0:31:26 > 0:31:27Um, we're going to be...
0:31:29 > 0:31:33..raffling off a signature that I will do for a cover of the album
0:31:33 > 0:31:37and I plan to also maybe donate a harmonica to the same thing
0:31:37 > 0:31:40and they can raise money for the children in need.
0:31:40 > 0:31:43- That would be super. - It would be a good feeling...
0:31:43 > 0:31:44- Yeah.- ..to give a lot of money.
0:31:44 > 0:31:49APPLAUSE
0:31:53 > 0:31:54But the...
0:31:55 > 0:31:57Thank you! LAUGHTER
0:31:57 > 0:32:02But the one song that is from the album that kind of relates to...
0:32:03 > 0:32:06..to I guess the whole drive that's been happening
0:32:06 > 0:32:10and fortunately, since Songs In The Key Of Life
0:32:10 > 0:32:14in 1976 is released, there have been some incredible things
0:32:14 > 0:32:16that have happened in the world of music
0:32:16 > 0:32:21and more and more people have begun to sing along.
0:32:22 > 0:32:26And making the world realise that it is a song
0:32:26 > 0:32:29that can create and help to make harmony.
0:32:29 > 0:32:31This song is called Love's In Need Of Love Today.
0:32:31 > 0:32:33I'll just do a little bit of it for you.
0:32:35 > 0:32:37Everybody say... HE CLEARS HIS THROAT
0:32:38 > 0:32:40Clear your throats.
0:32:44 > 0:32:47# Good morn or evening, friends
0:32:48 > 0:32:52# Here's your friendly announcer
0:32:53 > 0:32:56# I have serious news
0:32:56 > 0:33:01# To pass on to everybody
0:33:03 > 0:33:06# What I'm about to say
0:33:08 > 0:33:11# Could mean the world's disaster
0:33:13 > 0:33:16# To change your joy and laughter
0:33:16 > 0:33:21# To tears and pain
0:33:21 > 0:33:26# It's that love's in need
0:33:27 > 0:33:30# Of love today
0:33:32 > 0:33:36# Don't delay
0:33:36 > 0:33:39# Send yours in right away
0:33:42 > 0:33:46# Hate's going round
0:33:46 > 0:33:50# Breaking many hearts
0:33:52 > 0:33:56# Stop it, please
0:33:56 > 0:34:00# Before it's gone too far
0:34:00 > 0:34:03# Gone too far. #
0:34:04 > 0:34:09CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:34:15 > 0:34:17Stevie Wonder.
0:34:17 > 0:34:21I could have listened to him at that old Joanna for hours.
0:34:21 > 0:34:25Anyone who watched Wogan back in the day will remember
0:34:25 > 0:34:28we had a ton of fun with the big American soap operas -
0:34:28 > 0:34:30Dallas and Dynasty.
0:34:30 > 0:34:32Over-the-top in every way.
0:34:32 > 0:34:35At least the hairstyles, the shoulder pads,
0:34:35 > 0:34:38the walk-in cupboards with the wire coat hangers,
0:34:38 > 0:34:41the appalling JR, the tragic Sue Ellen.
0:34:41 > 0:34:42Oh, we loved it all.
0:34:42 > 0:34:44We couldn't get enough of stars
0:34:44 > 0:34:47like Pam Ewing herself, Victoria Principal.
0:34:47 > 0:34:50It's been said that Pam Ewing and Victoria Principal
0:34:50 > 0:34:52couldn't be more different.
0:34:52 > 0:34:54I know that you may have said this before,
0:34:54 > 0:34:55but for a British audience,
0:34:55 > 0:34:57obviously, we haven't seen you before,
0:34:57 > 0:35:00are you very different from the character you portray?
0:35:00 > 0:35:02Well, we work in the same place.
0:35:02 > 0:35:04LAUGHTER
0:35:04 > 0:35:06Um, are we very different?
0:35:06 > 0:35:08I think, in the beginning, we were very much alike.
0:35:08 > 0:35:14In the miniseries, Pamela was more outspoken
0:35:14 > 0:35:16and I think she had a bit more fire
0:35:16 > 0:35:21and then as the years progress, she became more quiet
0:35:21 > 0:35:22and a little more submissive
0:35:22 > 0:35:25- and I think that's where we parted ways.- Hmm.
0:35:25 > 0:35:27I mean, you wouldn't, in real life,
0:35:27 > 0:35:30really fancy anybody like Bobby Ewing, would you?
0:35:30 > 0:35:33LAUGHTER
0:35:33 > 0:35:36That's a loaded question. LAUGHTER
0:35:36 > 0:35:39In deference to Mrs Duffy, who is Patrick's wife, he's...
0:35:39 > 0:35:42SHE LAUGHS Oh, dear.
0:35:42 > 0:35:44Um, well, I can't say that that's true.
0:35:44 > 0:35:47I don't know if I'd fancy the rest of the family.
0:35:47 > 0:35:49LAUGHTER
0:35:49 > 0:35:51What you're trying to say is that you admire him as an artiste,
0:35:51 > 0:35:54but you wouldn't necessarily want to go out with him to dinner,
0:35:54 > 0:35:57- which you continually appear to do. - LAUGHTER
0:35:57 > 0:36:01Why is everything taking place over lunch or dinner in Dallas?
0:36:01 > 0:36:03Because they eat enormous amounts of food.
0:36:03 > 0:36:07- They do, don't they? And drink. - LAUGHTER
0:36:07 > 0:36:10- Let's see, they're alcoholics and obese.- Yeah.
0:36:10 > 0:36:12- No! No, no.- How do you stay sober?
0:36:12 > 0:36:15- Always smashing it back, aren't you? - LAUGHTER
0:36:15 > 0:36:18No, actually, I suppose a lot of the things do take place
0:36:18 > 0:36:21- over dinner on the show. - Everything takes place over dinner.
0:36:21 > 0:36:24In fact, since Pam has moved out, she very seldom eats or drinks.
0:36:24 > 0:36:27Is she going to finish up with that fellow
0:36:27 > 0:36:30- with the ferret under his nose? - LAUGHTER
0:36:30 > 0:36:32I'm sorry.
0:36:32 > 0:36:35No, I can't say. Actually, I don't really know myself.
0:36:35 > 0:36:37We find out week to week. We're given the script.
0:36:37 > 0:36:40You get as confused by the script as we do.
0:36:40 > 0:36:41Not confused, but I don't find out
0:36:41 > 0:36:44until a few days before I begin shooting.
0:36:44 > 0:36:45Do you get involved in the script?
0:36:45 > 0:36:47You know, do you actually ask the scriptwriters,
0:36:47 > 0:36:50"Well, come on. I'd like to know. What's going to happen next?"
0:36:50 > 0:36:53- Oh, very much so, yes. - And do they tell you?- No.
0:36:53 > 0:36:55LAUGHTER No.
0:36:55 > 0:36:59They tell me as much as they can and sometimes,
0:36:59 > 0:37:01there are things that I feel that Pam wouldn't do or say
0:37:01 > 0:37:05- and then we have a sort of stand-off over that.- And who wins?
0:37:05 > 0:37:08Well, if I don't say it, I suppose I win.
0:37:08 > 0:37:12LAUGHTER There have only been, I think,
0:37:12 > 0:37:15two occasions in the entire history of the show that that's happened.
0:37:15 > 0:37:17Pam would never be like that, would she?
0:37:17 > 0:37:19No, actually, that was why I refused to say something.
0:37:19 > 0:37:21I felt it was a sexual slur
0:37:21 > 0:37:23and I felt that Pam would never say something like that
0:37:23 > 0:37:26and I felt it was really going against the grain of her character.
0:37:26 > 0:37:28Are you happy the way she's gone
0:37:28 > 0:37:32or would you have liked the character to take another direction?
0:37:32 > 0:37:36I think to play a character that I so admire
0:37:36 > 0:37:38and that is so beloved...
0:37:38 > 0:37:41- You don't admire Pam Ewing. - Of course I admire her!
0:37:41 > 0:37:43But people think she's a dummy.
0:37:43 > 0:37:47LAUGHTER
0:37:47 > 0:37:51- No, I think she's a sweetheart.- Eh?
0:37:51 > 0:37:53LAUGHTER No, she's a sweetheart.
0:37:53 > 0:37:55You must occasionally think...
0:37:55 > 0:37:57I mean, you're an intelligent woman.
0:37:57 > 0:38:01You must play the part and think, "My God, why is she doing this?"
0:38:01 > 0:38:03There are times when I wish Pam would speak up,
0:38:03 > 0:38:05but there are other times...
0:38:05 > 0:38:06Well, she's made me very wealthy.
0:38:06 > 0:38:08LAUGHTER
0:38:08 > 0:38:11What's going to happen to your career when it eventually,
0:38:11 > 0:38:13as it must, finishes?
0:38:13 > 0:38:15Well, I will fulfil the terms of my contract.
0:38:15 > 0:38:17I'm pleased to hear it.
0:38:17 > 0:38:20I don't know that I'll necessarily go on as long as the show does.
0:38:20 > 0:38:23But when you finish, how are you going to move away
0:38:23 > 0:38:26from the image that has been created of Pam Ewing?
0:38:26 > 0:38:27With great difficulty.
0:38:27 > 0:38:31I think it will take a lot of work on my part.
0:38:31 > 0:38:33Um, I think it's going to be very difficult
0:38:33 > 0:38:35the first few years to break out of...
0:38:35 > 0:38:38I know if someone were in my living room once a week as a character,
0:38:38 > 0:38:41I'd find it very hard to see them as anyone else
0:38:41 > 0:38:43and so I've anticipated that,
0:38:43 > 0:38:45but I think there's enough time for me to.
0:38:45 > 0:38:47And the money will always be a comfort.
0:38:47 > 0:38:50Um, I think I've been wise and saved my money and invested it,
0:38:50 > 0:38:53which actually, a lot of series people
0:38:53 > 0:38:55don't foresee that one day, it will end.
0:38:55 > 0:38:56Why are you smiling?
0:38:56 > 0:39:00- I'm smiling... - LAUGHTER
0:39:00 > 0:39:02I just like to hear you talking
0:39:02 > 0:39:04completely differently from Pam Ewing
0:39:04 > 0:39:05cos she'd never invest her money
0:39:05 > 0:39:08cos she's a complete eejit with that kind of thing.
0:39:08 > 0:39:10LAUGHTER Well, she married well.
0:39:10 > 0:39:13It's very, very hard work, obviously,
0:39:13 > 0:39:15when you do get up very early in the morning.
0:39:15 > 0:39:19How hard is it for you to climb into the old make-up every morning?
0:39:19 > 0:39:21- SHE LAUGHS - Get out there on the set?
0:39:21 > 0:39:24- It can't be easy. - No, it's not that tough.
0:39:24 > 0:39:27I mean, I get up between four and 4:30.
0:39:27 > 0:39:28I'm in make-up at 5:40.
0:39:28 > 0:39:31For some unusual reason, I'm supposed to be there at 5:40.
0:39:31 > 0:39:33I think cos I'm always late so I'm there by six.
0:39:33 > 0:39:36- And how long does it take you to do the make-up?- Half a day.
0:39:36 > 0:39:38LAUGHTER No, hair and make-up takes two hours
0:39:38 > 0:39:41and we're on the set and we start shooting until six or seven.
0:39:41 > 0:39:44What do you look like before the make-up goes on?
0:39:44 > 0:39:46Just like this. It's a waste of time.
0:39:46 > 0:39:51LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
0:39:53 > 0:39:56A good sort, that Pam Ewing.
0:39:56 > 0:39:59Do you know, I'd like to have invited her to the Oil Barons Ball,
0:39:59 > 0:40:02but it turned out the Carringtons of Dynasty
0:40:02 > 0:40:05were also up for a bit of gentle joshing
0:40:05 > 0:40:08as I discovered when John Forsythe and Linda Evans,
0:40:08 > 0:40:11also known as Blake and Krystle,
0:40:11 > 0:40:16invited little old me to their humble abode.
0:40:16 > 0:40:19Do you ever get sick of the character Krystle?
0:40:19 > 0:40:23- I mean, she's so good. - What's the matter with being good?
0:40:23 > 0:40:25Yeah, but there's good and good.
0:40:25 > 0:40:27You can be good but tough sometimes.
0:40:27 > 0:40:30- I mean...- Krystle's tough sometimes. - No, she's not.
0:40:30 > 0:40:33I mean, she must drive him mad. Does she drive you mad?
0:40:33 > 0:40:36Yes, I've been driven mad more times than I care to remember.
0:40:36 > 0:40:39- I've been trying to get her to be bad.- In a bad way?
0:40:39 > 0:40:43Not be good. And I'm trying to do something about...
0:40:43 > 0:40:44- The old shoulder pads?- Yes.
0:40:44 > 0:40:47You even wear the shoulder pads in bed!
0:40:47 > 0:40:50- Yes!- You do, don't you? - You don't wear yours?
0:40:50 > 0:40:51That's all she wears.
0:40:51 > 0:40:54I don't sleep in a dinner jacket, for goodness' sake.
0:40:54 > 0:40:56Why do you keep drawing away?
0:40:56 > 0:40:59- That's all she wears is just the shoulder pads.- In bed?
0:40:59 > 0:41:01- Just shoulder pads. - Nothing else. Two shoulder pads.
0:41:01 > 0:41:03She looks like an American football player.
0:41:03 > 0:41:05- I don't want to be here any more. I want to leave.- Don't go!
0:41:05 > 0:41:07For goodness' sake. I've only just arrived.
0:41:07 > 0:41:11I've come all this way and now you want to leave.
0:41:11 > 0:41:14Well, you want to check my pads and I don't want you to!
0:41:14 > 0:41:16Well, all right. I won't lay a finger on you then.
0:41:16 > 0:41:18It seems disappointing to come all this way
0:41:18 > 0:41:21and not even get a chance to touch your shoulder pads. Still...
0:41:21 > 0:41:24- We gave you a drink. - I brought you a mug.
0:41:24 > 0:41:27That's right. And a shirt, yes. I'm feeling guilty now.
0:41:27 > 0:41:30- We don't have a gift for him. - Yes, I'm feeling very, very guilty.
0:41:30 > 0:41:32Why don't we give him the family?
0:41:32 > 0:41:34Yes, I'd like to give him a couple of children.
0:41:34 > 0:41:37- Would you like a couple of my children?- Certainly not.
0:41:37 > 0:41:39Let him feel your shoulder pad. Go ahead.
0:41:42 > 0:41:44Oh, that's terrific.
0:41:44 > 0:41:46That's terrific, that shoulder pad. I feel good already.
0:41:46 > 0:41:48- Now feel his shoulder pad.- OK.
0:41:50 > 0:41:52That's even better.
0:41:52 > 0:41:55- Now, are you glad you came? - This is it. Now I'm happy.
0:41:55 > 0:42:00'But there was just one thing that would make me happier.'
0:42:00 > 0:42:04But, look, before I go, there's just one thing I've always wanted to do.
0:42:04 > 0:42:09- What's that?- I'd like to walk just once down that great staircase.
0:42:09 > 0:42:14- What? What for?- It's just a lot has happened on that staircase.
0:42:14 > 0:42:16Not enough has happened on that staircase.
0:42:16 > 0:42:17I've tried and it didn't work.
0:42:17 > 0:42:19- Your private life is your own business.- All right.
0:42:19 > 0:42:23All I just want to do is for once walk down that staircase.
0:42:23 > 0:42:26- Can I do it?- All right.- Does it mean going back to the mansion?
0:42:26 > 0:42:29No, we've got it right around the corner here. Come on. Go ahead.
0:42:29 > 0:42:32MUSIC: Dynasty Theme Song
0:42:32 > 0:42:34Merry Christmas, Terry!
0:42:37 > 0:42:41Here it is. I've finally arrived.
0:42:41 > 0:42:45The very chandelier, the smooth banisters,
0:42:45 > 0:42:50these stairs on which you have to watch your step,
0:42:50 > 0:42:52less you tumble over and lose your baby.
0:42:52 > 0:42:56Look at this. An ancestral Carrington.
0:42:58 > 0:43:00Stap me vitals!
0:43:00 > 0:43:03If it isn't old JR Carrington,
0:43:03 > 0:43:05the man who invented the shoulder pads.
0:43:06 > 0:43:08This is it, I suppose -
0:43:08 > 0:43:11the crowning glory to a wonderful day.
0:43:12 > 0:43:15Like all wonderful days, it has to come to a close.
0:43:15 > 0:43:18So, I suppose I'd better be on my weary way.
0:43:22 > 0:43:25It's time for me to slip away now too
0:43:25 > 0:43:28so join me for another backward glance
0:43:28 > 0:43:29soon as you can.