0:00:02 > 0:00:04'It was a show that went out three nights a week live...'
0:00:04 > 0:00:07- Mr Wogan? You're on. - '..with a live audience
0:00:07 > 0:00:09'and everyone who was anyone dropping in -
0:00:09 > 0:00:12'the great and the good, the bad and the ugly
0:00:12 > 0:00:14'and they called it Wogan.
0:00:14 > 0:00:15'I never knew why.
0:00:15 > 0:00:17'So, if you're sitting comfortably,
0:00:17 > 0:00:20'I'll show you something I made earlier.'
0:00:20 > 0:00:23God knows what they'll make of us in 25 years' time.
0:00:35 > 0:00:39Welcome. There's a touch of glamour to today's show.
0:00:39 > 0:00:40It's not just me, either.
0:00:40 > 0:00:43All of my guests have something of the extravagant,
0:00:43 > 0:00:45the exotic, the flamboyant about them.
0:00:45 > 0:00:49We've got Dolly Parton, Whitney Houston,
0:00:49 > 0:00:52Sophia Loren and Boy George.
0:00:53 > 0:00:55But we're starting with a Hollywood legend,
0:00:55 > 0:00:59steeped in the magic of the cinema - Lauren Bacall.
0:00:59 > 0:01:02We broke the budget trying to make her feel at home
0:01:02 > 0:01:04by leaving, in her dressing room,
0:01:04 > 0:01:07a bunch of flowers bought that very day
0:01:07 > 0:01:10from Shepherd's Bush finest petrol station.
0:01:11 > 0:01:14For some reason, she wasn't impressed.
0:01:14 > 0:01:16And I was somewhat disappointed.
0:01:16 > 0:01:18We sent you a bouquet of flowers and...
0:01:18 > 0:01:21- Did you?- ..I saw them in your dressing room
0:01:21 > 0:01:23and you didn't seem to like them very much.
0:01:23 > 0:01:26I didn't mean to give you that impression.
0:01:26 > 0:01:30I actually love flowers, but they were so...
0:01:30 > 0:01:32It was such an enormous presentation
0:01:32 > 0:01:34that I didn't really think it was for me.
0:01:34 > 0:01:36LAUGHTER
0:01:36 > 0:01:38I'm not used to receiving so many flowers.
0:01:38 > 0:01:40I shall take half of them, if that's the way you feel.
0:01:40 > 0:01:42LAUGHTER
0:01:42 > 0:01:44The role, if we can go back, the role they created for you
0:01:44 > 0:01:46in your first film was to be,
0:01:46 > 0:01:48as Howard Hawks said, tougher than Bogart.
0:01:48 > 0:01:51But you weren't exactly like that, were you, at the time?
0:01:51 > 0:01:53Well, he wanted somebody...
0:01:53 > 0:01:56Howard's idea, of course, was to have a woman
0:01:56 > 0:02:00who could give as good as she got, you know,
0:02:00 > 0:02:03and who was able to stand up against somebody
0:02:03 > 0:02:05who had a kind of...
0:02:07 > 0:02:11..all-encompassing personality that an actor like Bogart had
0:02:11 > 0:02:15and so he made me something that I've had to live up to ever since.
0:02:15 > 0:02:19Were you anywhere like that in reality yourself - a tough lady?
0:02:19 > 0:02:23Oh, no. It wasn't tough. It was insolent. He didn't want...
0:02:23 > 0:02:26It wasn't toughness, you see. That's not the word.
0:02:26 > 0:02:30It was someone that wouldn't take it, you know.
0:02:30 > 0:02:31I mean, that was very vulnerable,
0:02:31 > 0:02:34but if insulted, would stand up for herself.
0:02:34 > 0:02:37A kind of liberated lady of her time, really.
0:02:37 > 0:02:39I've always been liberated.
0:02:39 > 0:02:41And you've always stood up for yourself, I'd say.
0:02:41 > 0:02:44I have no-one else to stand up for me. Do you want to do it?
0:02:44 > 0:02:45- Take on the job?- Certainly.
0:02:45 > 0:02:48Anybody who turns on you tonight, I shall let them have it...
0:02:48 > 0:02:51Oh, it's only tonight? LAUGHTER
0:02:51 > 0:02:52That won't do me much good. I'm sorry.
0:02:52 > 0:02:54If you were thinking longer-term,
0:02:54 > 0:02:57I'd have to ring up the wife first and clear it with her.
0:02:57 > 0:02:59- LAUGHTER She can come along.- Can she?- Sure.
0:02:59 > 0:03:01- That's really interesting. - I don't mind.
0:03:01 > 0:03:03- Is it?- Yeah. - SHE LAUGHS
0:03:03 > 0:03:07Did you resent having that kind of image foisted on you?
0:03:07 > 0:03:11Um...no, you see, I don't think in terms of image.
0:03:11 > 0:03:13I hate the word to begin with.
0:03:13 > 0:03:15I don't really understand what it means
0:03:15 > 0:03:17any more than I understand what legend means.
0:03:17 > 0:03:20I always thought legends were dead, so, I mean, I don't...
0:03:20 > 0:03:22You know what I mean? I don't...
0:03:22 > 0:03:25I don't identify at all with that word.
0:03:25 > 0:03:27- Would you like me to...?- I was just happy to have a job, frankly.
0:03:27 > 0:03:29I was thinking I could do the introduction again
0:03:29 > 0:03:31and leave out the legend bit.
0:03:31 > 0:03:33- I won't bother, though. - Do you want...?
0:03:33 > 0:03:35- No, you carry on.- We don't have time for all of that.
0:03:35 > 0:03:37That's true. You were married to Bogart.
0:03:37 > 0:03:40Was his off-screen... I won't use the word image.
0:03:40 > 0:03:44..was his off-screen persona similar to his film?
0:03:44 > 0:03:46Not at all. Not at all. No, no, no, no.
0:03:46 > 0:03:48- He wasn't a tough guy? - Oh, no, not at all.
0:03:48 > 0:03:51He was a marshmallow. He was a very emotional...
0:03:51 > 0:03:55No, he was a very, very emotional, sensitive man
0:03:55 > 0:03:58who was actually brought up on the right side of the tracks
0:03:58 > 0:04:02with a doctor for a father and an artist for a mother
0:04:02 > 0:04:05and he was always considered a gent,
0:04:05 > 0:04:09which, of course, bore very little resemblance to the parts he played.
0:04:09 > 0:04:11So, he was nothing like that.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14He was also a very well-read, intelligent man and very funny.
0:04:15 > 0:04:17Now, let me see, what was wrong with him?
0:04:17 > 0:04:19Now, just a minute. LAUGHTER
0:04:19 > 0:04:22I'm painting this picture of this pure creature.
0:04:22 > 0:04:25- He's not here to defend himself. - No, he wasn't pure, but...
0:04:25 > 0:04:27No, he wasn't like that, but he was...
0:04:27 > 0:04:30He was marvellous to me, actually, in the film
0:04:30 > 0:04:33because I was so terrified and he helped...
0:04:33 > 0:04:35Well, you didn't look terrified.
0:04:35 > 0:04:37Were you terrified doing that whistle scene, for instance?
0:04:37 > 0:04:41Well, I think by then, I had probably managed
0:04:41 > 0:04:44to control my terror a little bit more, but that was...
0:04:44 > 0:04:46I mean, we were halfway through the film,
0:04:46 > 0:04:49but I was terribly nervous.
0:04:49 > 0:04:51I'm always nervous. I'm nervous now.
0:04:51 > 0:04:54I'm a nervous wreck. LAUGHTER
0:04:54 > 0:04:57- You hide it well. You mask it well.- Thank you.
0:04:57 > 0:04:59Now, you and he were both independent spirits
0:04:59 > 0:05:01and you both had trouble with the studios.
0:05:01 > 0:05:05- You, in particular, had trouble with Warner Brothers, didn't you?- Yes.
0:05:05 > 0:05:09- Independent spirits usually do have trouble, don't you find?- Yes.
0:05:09 > 0:05:11I mean, I think that...
0:05:11 > 0:05:15I mean, Jack Warner's attitude was that actors were employees
0:05:15 > 0:05:18and we did not consider that we were employees
0:05:18 > 0:05:21and that he felt we should do as we were told.
0:05:21 > 0:05:24Unfortunately, he didn't have a lot of taste
0:05:24 > 0:05:27in choosing parts in films
0:05:27 > 0:05:29so if you wanted to do something better,
0:05:29 > 0:05:32you were in trouble and what happened is that you got into arguments
0:05:32 > 0:05:35and you ended up on suspension and didn't work for a while and...
0:05:36 > 0:05:42But even in spite of all of that, films then were wonderful.
0:05:42 > 0:05:44Mostly terrific.
0:05:44 > 0:05:48And Warner Brothers actually produced some of the best films ever made
0:05:48 > 0:05:52that will live forever, long after some of today's films will.
0:05:52 > 0:05:54You don't think that there was something to be said
0:05:54 > 0:05:58for this treatment of actors as if they were pieces of merchandise?
0:05:58 > 0:05:59Oh, no. No, no, no.
0:05:59 > 0:06:02I don't think there's ever anything to be said for that. No.
0:06:02 > 0:06:03No, I don't think there was,
0:06:03 > 0:06:06but I think that there were a lot of tremendously talented people
0:06:06 > 0:06:08making films then.
0:06:08 > 0:06:12I mean, the focus was totally in California.
0:06:12 > 0:06:15- It wasn't diffused by television, you see.- Yes, I see.
0:06:15 > 0:06:19Do you detect a great difference between then and now
0:06:19 > 0:06:20and the making of films?
0:06:20 > 0:06:22Well, there's a tremendous difference.
0:06:22 > 0:06:25Number one, in cost, number one, in the number of films,
0:06:25 > 0:06:27number one, in the concentration of talent in one place.
0:06:27 > 0:06:29It doesn't exist any more.
0:06:29 > 0:06:32Everyone is everywhere. I mean, you go where the work is.
0:06:32 > 0:06:35You seldom work where you live now. It's...
0:06:35 > 0:06:38There still are some very talented people.
0:06:38 > 0:06:40I mean, there are some young talented people in films,
0:06:40 > 0:06:45but I don't think as many and they don't build stars to last
0:06:45 > 0:06:48- and I think television has done that. - I'm sure that's true.- No offence.
0:06:48 > 0:06:51No, quite, quite. We're prepared to take the...
0:06:51 > 0:06:54We're prepared to take the sticks because, in fact,
0:06:54 > 0:06:56it's very difficult to become a film star now
0:06:56 > 0:06:59because people don't actually go out to movies
0:06:59 > 0:07:02and you see people who are established feature players,
0:07:02 > 0:07:06but they don't become stars like they used to in the '40s and '50s.
0:07:06 > 0:07:10Well, they don't last, you see. Stars, to me, are people who last.
0:07:10 > 0:07:12Just to have your name over the title for five minutes
0:07:12 > 0:07:16is not a star, in my book, anyway, but I may...
0:07:16 > 0:07:18You were 19 when you were a star.
0:07:18 > 0:07:21- I was a wee girl, yeah. - Was it hard to handle?
0:07:21 > 0:07:24Well, it would have been harder to handle
0:07:24 > 0:07:27had I not had Bogie, I'm sure.
0:07:27 > 0:07:32And also I had a very solid upbringing so that I was...
0:07:32 > 0:07:35My feet were quite firmly planted on the ground.
0:07:35 > 0:07:37But it's pretty hard to keep your head
0:07:37 > 0:07:40- when people say that you are the sun, the moon and the stars...- Yeah.
0:07:40 > 0:07:42..all rolled into one.
0:07:42 > 0:07:44Are you glad it happened to you then
0:07:44 > 0:07:46rather than it would happen to you now?
0:07:46 > 0:07:50Well, I'm glad it happened at all. LAUGHTER
0:07:50 > 0:07:53You know, I think I'm lucky that it happened at all.
0:07:53 > 0:07:56Of course, as I was told once by a man called Moss Hart,
0:07:56 > 0:08:01who was a playwright - a fine playwright - and director,
0:08:01 > 0:08:04after To Have And Have Not opened, he said, "You understand, of course,
0:08:04 > 0:08:07"that you have nowhere to go but down."
0:08:08 > 0:08:09And he was absolutely right.
0:08:09 > 0:08:12- HE LAUGHS - I don't think that's true.
0:08:12 > 0:08:16No, but it is true because if you are praised beyond your capabilities,
0:08:16 > 0:08:19which new people very often are,
0:08:19 > 0:08:21there's no way you can live up to that praise.
0:08:21 > 0:08:27It's out of all proportion to anyone's ability, to any reality.
0:08:27 > 0:08:29How does one follow the great Lauren Bacall?
0:08:31 > 0:08:35We'll give it a try with a great pop performance from Whitney Houston.
0:08:35 > 0:08:38It would all end tragically for poor Whitney,
0:08:38 > 0:08:41but here she is, blooming with youth,
0:08:41 > 0:08:45singing her first smash hit Saving All My Love For You.
0:08:45 > 0:08:50CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:09:00 > 0:09:04# A few stolen moments
0:09:04 > 0:09:08# Is all that we share
0:09:08 > 0:09:11# You've got your family
0:09:11 > 0:09:15# And they need you there
0:09:15 > 0:09:18# Though I tried to resist
0:09:18 > 0:09:22# Being last on your list
0:09:22 > 0:09:29# But no other man's going to do
0:09:29 > 0:09:32# So I'm saving all my love
0:09:32 > 0:09:39# For you
0:09:40 > 0:09:44# It's not very easy
0:09:44 > 0:09:47# Living all alone
0:09:47 > 0:09:51# My friends try and tell me
0:09:51 > 0:09:54# Find a man of my own
0:09:54 > 0:09:58# But each time I try
0:09:58 > 0:10:01# I just break down and cry
0:10:01 > 0:10:05# Cos I'd rather be home
0:10:05 > 0:10:09# Feeling blue
0:10:09 > 0:10:12# So I'm saving all my love
0:10:12 > 0:10:17# For you
0:10:17 > 0:10:20# You used to tell me
0:10:20 > 0:10:24# We'd run away together
0:10:24 > 0:10:27# Love gives you the right
0:10:27 > 0:10:31# To be free
0:10:31 > 0:10:34# You said be patient
0:10:34 > 0:10:38# Just wait a little longer
0:10:38 > 0:10:45# But that's just an old fantasy
0:10:45 > 0:10:48# I've got to get ready
0:10:48 > 0:10:52# Just a few minutes more
0:10:52 > 0:10:55# Going to get that old feeling
0:10:55 > 0:10:59# When you walk through that door
0:10:59 > 0:11:03# Cos tonight is the night
0:11:03 > 0:11:06# For feeling all right
0:11:06 > 0:11:13# We'll be making love the whole night through
0:11:13 > 0:11:17# So I'm saving all my love
0:11:17 > 0:11:21# Yes, I'm saving all my love
0:11:21 > 0:11:24# Yes, I'm saving all my love
0:11:24 > 0:11:31# For you
0:11:32 > 0:11:35# No other woman
0:11:35 > 0:11:39# Is going to love you more
0:11:39 > 0:11:42# Cos tonight is the night
0:11:42 > 0:11:46# That I'm feeling all right
0:11:46 > 0:11:48# We'll be making love
0:11:48 > 0:11:53# The whole night through
0:11:53 > 0:11:57# So I'm saving all my love
0:11:57 > 0:12:01# Yeah, I'm saving all my love
0:12:01 > 0:12:04# Yes, I'm saving all my love
0:12:04 > 0:12:11# For you
0:12:12 > 0:12:19# For you
0:12:19 > 0:12:24# For you. #
0:12:26 > 0:12:32CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:12:34 > 0:12:37On we pop to a singer and an actress
0:12:37 > 0:12:40who's transformed herself dramatically over the years.
0:12:40 > 0:12:43We first got to know her looking like this.
0:12:45 > 0:12:49She'd go on, of course, to look like this.
0:12:49 > 0:12:53This appearance finds her halfway between the two, really.
0:12:53 > 0:12:55She'd been nominated for an Oscar for the film Silkwood
0:12:55 > 0:13:00and was going to some lengths to look her best on the big night.
0:13:00 > 0:13:04I feel really strange. You know, I have braces. You can tell.
0:13:04 > 0:13:06- And I wasn't going to do... - Only by your whistle.
0:13:06 > 0:13:08I wasn't going to do any television
0:13:08 > 0:13:10and it feels really weird to kind of...
0:13:10 > 0:13:11Why have you got braces?
0:13:11 > 0:13:14Surely that's the mark of the middle-class American child -
0:13:14 > 0:13:16the braces on the teeth.
0:13:16 > 0:13:18Yeah, except we had no money for braces when I was little.
0:13:18 > 0:13:19You're having them now?
0:13:19 > 0:13:22The reason I'm having them now is because... Two reasons.
0:13:22 > 0:13:25I mean, I could cop out and say it's because I want to keep my teeth,
0:13:25 > 0:13:27but it really isn't. My dentist wants me to keep my teeth
0:13:27 > 0:13:29and I'd really like to have straight ones.
0:13:29 > 0:13:30LAUGHTER
0:13:30 > 0:13:32How long will you have to wear the brace?
0:13:32 > 0:13:34Well, they come off the day of the Academy Awards.
0:13:34 > 0:13:37Straight or not, I'm not going to go there with braces.
0:13:37 > 0:13:40So, you think the Academy Awards are more important than this show?
0:13:40 > 0:13:42LAUGHTER
0:13:44 > 0:13:48But you have had things done to you anyway, haven't you?
0:13:48 > 0:13:50You freely admit you've had plastic surgery...
0:13:50 > 0:13:52- Yes, I have.- ..on various parts of your body.
0:13:52 > 0:13:55- No, not on various. You know, that's kind of...- Specific.
0:13:55 > 0:13:57- Specific parts of your body. - That's kind of...
0:13:57 > 0:14:01It's a pain in the ass to admit to one thing.
0:14:01 > 0:14:03You've got a butterfly on your ass, haven't you?
0:14:03 > 0:14:05LAUGHTER That was a pain.
0:14:05 > 0:14:07You admit to one thing
0:14:07 > 0:14:09and then everyone has you doing everything.
0:14:09 > 0:14:12I mean, I've had one thing done and I would have...
0:14:12 > 0:14:15This is not to say that I wouldn't. If I needed to have something done,
0:14:15 > 0:14:18I would certainly be the first one in the line to the doctor, you know.
0:14:18 > 0:14:21But what's going to happen when all the people who have had
0:14:21 > 0:14:23these kind of things done, when they get old?
0:14:23 > 0:14:24It's all going to...
0:14:25 > 0:14:28- ..get tired.- Well, I'll tell you something. My mother is...
0:14:28 > 0:14:31- How old is my mother? My mother is...- Be careful, now.
0:14:31 > 0:14:35- She could be watching. - No, my mother is 56, I think,
0:14:35 > 0:14:38and she just had her face lifted
0:14:38 > 0:14:43and my girlfriend Ange saw her and she couldn't believe...
0:14:43 > 0:14:45My mother is so beautiful now.
0:14:45 > 0:14:49Not that she wasn't really beautiful before, but, you know...
0:14:49 > 0:14:55- I think it's worse in America. Women get older and men get...- Older.
0:14:55 > 0:14:58- ..dignified or character.- Yes.
0:14:58 > 0:15:00But it's hard to be older in this business.
0:15:00 > 0:15:02I can see it is hard to be older,
0:15:02 > 0:15:05but shouldn't we all accept the fact that we are going to get older?
0:15:05 > 0:15:07What's the point of having a 25-year-old face
0:15:07 > 0:15:11- on a 56-year-old body? - LAUGHTER
0:15:11 > 0:15:13Well, I don't know about that.
0:15:13 > 0:15:16I have a lot easier time keeping my body in shape than...
0:15:16 > 0:15:18I can't imagine that...
0:15:18 > 0:15:20I guess I'll have an old body one of these days,
0:15:20 > 0:15:21but I can't imagine it.
0:15:21 > 0:15:24I think of myself as, like, a jogging 75-year-old, you know.
0:15:24 > 0:15:27So, I hope I'm going to be able to keep it up.
0:15:27 > 0:15:29Will you accept the gradual disintegration
0:15:29 > 0:15:31and will you be able to accept getting older?
0:15:31 > 0:15:34I know we're getting older but I mean really getting older, older.
0:15:34 > 0:15:36No, I can accept...
0:15:36 > 0:15:38I mean, like, even what you said is really weird
0:15:38 > 0:15:42because you said can I accept the gradual disintegration of my body?
0:15:42 > 0:15:45I mean, I kind of see an old truck, you know, getting rusty
0:15:45 > 0:15:47and, you know, going to hell.
0:15:47 > 0:15:49I don't think I can accept that.
0:15:49 > 0:15:52I could accept getting older, but I don't plan to disintegrate.
0:15:52 > 0:15:55- LAUGHTER - We all will in the end, though.
0:15:55 > 0:15:58Well, I mean, you know, when I'm in the box, who cares?
0:15:58 > 0:15:59LAUGHTER
0:15:59 > 0:16:03Has the break in acting, do you think, come a bit late for you?
0:16:03 > 0:16:10Yes, I think it has, but, you know, better now than never.
0:16:10 > 0:16:16So, I mean, I would have liked to have been able to do it earlier,
0:16:16 > 0:16:20but that's not what was on the cards for me so you have to be realistic.
0:16:20 > 0:16:24How will you sustain the glamorous, popular image
0:16:24 > 0:16:29along with the kind of part that you have got on Silkwood?
0:16:30 > 0:16:34- Well, I don't know why it'll be hard to do that.- Well...
0:16:34 > 0:16:36I don't see it as being difficult.
0:16:36 > 0:16:39- ..if you're going to be taken seriously as an actress...- Yeah.
0:16:39 > 0:16:44..can the public be expected to take you seriously as an actress
0:16:44 > 0:16:48if you come out in stunning diamante-studded gowns
0:16:48 > 0:16:50slashed to the hip in Las Vegas?
0:16:50 > 0:16:52Won't they find it a little difficult
0:16:52 > 0:16:54to take you seriously in serious parts?
0:16:54 > 0:16:58Well, you know, I'm not saying that I want to become a brain surgeon now.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02I only want to be an actress so I think that that's...
0:17:02 > 0:17:05You know, it was people won't buy you for no reason.
0:17:05 > 0:17:08If you can put out good work, then they'll respect your work.
0:17:08 > 0:17:10I'm not really asking anybody to love me
0:17:10 > 0:17:14or to think that I, you know, have an IQ of a genius.
0:17:14 > 0:17:16I'm just saying if you like the work that I do, that's great.
0:17:16 > 0:17:18I'm certainly not going to change who I am
0:17:18 > 0:17:21so that people will like my work. My work should stand on its own.
0:17:21 > 0:17:23So, if I want to go and show my navel
0:17:23 > 0:17:26or whatever else I want to show, then that's...
0:17:26 > 0:17:30- You go and show it.- OK. LAUGHTER
0:17:30 > 0:17:34- Can I tell them that you told me to do that?- Yeah.- OK.
0:17:34 > 0:17:35- It'll be all right.- All right.
0:17:35 > 0:17:38If you do that at the Oscars - take the braces off
0:17:38 > 0:17:41- and show them your navel... - OK.- ..I'll bet you'll win.
0:17:41 > 0:17:44- Hope so.- Cher, we wish you well. - Thank you.- Thank you.
0:17:44 > 0:17:48APPLAUSE
0:17:49 > 0:17:52Amazingly, the subject of cosmetic surgery
0:17:52 > 0:17:56also raises its weird-looking head in this interview
0:17:56 > 0:18:00with one of cinema's great beauties, the gorgeous Sophia Loren.
0:18:00 > 0:18:03Here she is talking about the advice her husband gave her
0:18:03 > 0:18:07after she'd failed some screen tests early in her career.
0:18:07 > 0:18:13I made about 17 tests and not one came out good
0:18:13 > 0:18:16because they said my nose was too long.
0:18:16 > 0:18:20My nose is still long, but I succeeded
0:18:20 > 0:18:23and my husband said,
0:18:23 > 0:18:26"If you want to make a career, I think you should cut your nose."
0:18:26 > 0:18:28LAUGHTER
0:18:28 > 0:18:31I said, "I should cut my nose to make a career in movies?
0:18:31 > 0:18:34"I mean, to become an actress with a capital A,
0:18:34 > 0:18:37"I should cut my nose? Why?"
0:18:37 > 0:18:40"Because you don't photograph well. You're not photogenic."
0:18:42 > 0:18:44And I said, "Well, then I think I'll go back to Pozzuoli
0:18:44 > 0:18:49"and be a little teacher in Pozzuoli and I'm going to be very happy."
0:18:49 > 0:18:50So, um...
0:18:51 > 0:18:53..nothing of this happens.
0:18:53 > 0:18:55If you see, I still have a very long nose.
0:18:55 > 0:18:59- LAUGHTER - Oh, I wouldn't have said so. No, no.
0:18:59 > 0:19:02No, but it's very strange because when you start to be known...
0:19:04 > 0:19:07..the people don't see your nose any more.
0:19:07 > 0:19:10I mean, they look at you in a different way.
0:19:10 > 0:19:12What do they see with you, do you think?
0:19:12 > 0:19:17What is the feature about you that they most often remark upon?
0:19:17 > 0:19:19My eyes, maybe.
0:19:19 > 0:19:21Hmm. Your mouth, I think.
0:19:21 > 0:19:24- Your mouth is extraordinary. - LAUGHTER
0:19:24 > 0:19:26Certainly, I hardly noticed your nose.
0:19:26 > 0:19:29LAUGHTER
0:19:29 > 0:19:33APPLAUSE
0:19:36 > 0:19:40- You've co-starred, of course, with some of the great leading men.- Yes.
0:19:40 > 0:19:42Who was your favourite? Who did you like best?
0:19:42 > 0:19:45I mean, the Burtons and the Grants and the Sinatras
0:19:45 > 0:19:48and Peter Sellers, all those people. Who did you like best?
0:19:48 > 0:19:51You must have had a favourite that you liked best working with.
0:19:51 > 0:19:53- There's no best, really. I mean...- Personally, though.
0:19:53 > 0:19:55..I'm very fond of Marcello Mastroianni
0:19:55 > 0:19:58because we've been working together for...
0:19:58 > 0:20:03In 12 films together so it's kind of a lifetime.
0:20:03 > 0:20:07But I'm also very fond of Cary Grant and Peter Sellers
0:20:07 > 0:20:12and Richard Burton, John Wayne, Clark Gable and...
0:20:12 > 0:20:14- That's a very... - The list is very long.
0:20:14 > 0:20:16Yes, a very general answer there.
0:20:16 > 0:20:19- You're not going to pick out any favourites at all?- No.- No?
0:20:19 > 0:20:21You may not have to work with them again.
0:20:21 > 0:20:24- LAUGHTER - Pick out one.
0:20:24 > 0:20:26- Pick out one?- Yes.
0:20:26 > 0:20:29You. LAUGHTER
0:20:29 > 0:20:31- Because I never worked with you. - When can we work together?
0:20:31 > 0:20:34Because I never worked with you. I would like to try.
0:20:34 > 0:20:36All the big lady stars...
0:20:36 > 0:20:38LAUGHTER
0:20:38 > 0:20:42APPLAUSE
0:20:44 > 0:20:47In 1982, you went to prison.
0:20:47 > 0:20:49- Yes.- Yes. Was that...? - CHUCKLING
0:20:49 > 0:20:51There's nothing to laugh about.
0:20:51 > 0:20:54No, I'm sure there isn't. There wasn't. That...
0:20:54 > 0:20:56What sort of effect did that have on you?
0:20:56 > 0:20:59Did it change your life? Did it change your approach to life?
0:20:59 > 0:21:03Listen, I decided to do that on my own
0:21:03 > 0:21:08because I thought it was the only, um...
0:21:08 > 0:21:11possibility for me to do, to go back to Italy
0:21:11 > 0:21:14and to see my mother, my sister and my nieces...
0:21:16 > 0:21:18..and my other relatives, and...
0:21:18 > 0:21:20I couldn't do anything else.
0:21:20 > 0:21:23So I went, but I didn't know...
0:21:25 > 0:21:28..what I was going to find there.
0:21:29 > 0:21:30And, um...
0:21:32 > 0:21:36It's something, it's an experience that I will never forget, and...
0:21:39 > 0:21:41It's a traumatic experience for me
0:21:41 > 0:21:45and, of course, it leaves, um...
0:21:47 > 0:21:50- ..a scar.- Of course.
0:21:50 > 0:21:51And, er...
0:21:51 > 0:21:53Did they treat you like every other prisoner?
0:21:55 > 0:21:56Why should it have been different?
0:21:56 > 0:21:58Because you're Sophia Loren, obviously.
0:21:58 > 0:22:01Yeah, because you've been reading the wrong papers.
0:22:01 > 0:22:03I read in the papers that I had...
0:22:03 > 0:22:05No, it was only a question, I didn't read it anywhere.
0:22:05 > 0:22:07..pink carpet on the floor,
0:22:07 > 0:22:09that I had a big bathroom
0:22:09 > 0:22:11and, er...that I was treated,
0:22:11 > 0:22:15that I had a television, colour television.
0:22:15 > 0:22:16Erm...
0:22:18 > 0:22:19You believe me?
0:22:19 > 0:22:23I was imprisoned like everybody else and, er...
0:22:23 > 0:22:28I had to be among all these girls that had committed crimes
0:22:28 > 0:22:29and, er...
0:22:30 > 0:22:32..it was not an easy experience for me.
0:22:32 > 0:22:35But you're glad you've faced up to it, surely, and...?
0:22:35 > 0:22:36I'm not glad.
0:22:36 > 0:22:38Er, I think that, er,
0:22:38 > 0:22:43this kind of experience is unrich, unriches you.
0:22:43 > 0:22:46- Enrich, yeah. - Enrich you very much.
0:22:46 > 0:22:47And, erm...
0:22:48 > 0:22:52But if they would ask me to do it again,
0:22:52 > 0:22:54I would run.
0:22:54 > 0:22:56I wouldn't go there any more.
0:22:56 > 0:22:58It has been terrible.
0:22:58 > 0:23:01Many top Hollywood stars are now,
0:23:01 > 0:23:05um, as TV continues to go from strength to strength,
0:23:05 > 0:23:07they're in TV soap operas.
0:23:07 > 0:23:11Now, I had Rock Hudson on the show a couple of weeks ago
0:23:11 > 0:23:13and he never told me he was going to go into Dynasty.
0:23:13 > 0:23:14He kept it from me.
0:23:14 > 0:23:19You're not thinking of moving into one of these soap operas?
0:23:19 > 0:23:22Is it not true that you were at one time approached
0:23:22 > 0:23:23to take one of these soap opera parts?
0:23:23 > 0:23:25Oh, yeah, I've been approached many times
0:23:25 > 0:23:27to do some series on television,
0:23:27 > 0:23:29but, er...
0:23:29 > 0:23:32I always reacted in a very instinct way.
0:23:32 > 0:23:33Erm...
0:23:33 > 0:23:35Erm...
0:23:35 > 0:23:38Not reasoning really, I said, "No."
0:23:40 > 0:23:42But then, I thought,
0:23:42 > 0:23:43"I'm an actress...
0:23:45 > 0:23:46"..if I go in a series,
0:23:46 > 0:23:49"I have to play this character for months,
0:23:49 > 0:23:54"and if I'm successful, maybe for years.
0:23:54 > 0:23:55"And...
0:23:55 > 0:23:58"How would I feel inside to play always, all the time,
0:23:58 > 0:24:01"all over again, the same character?"
0:24:01 > 0:24:05The wonderful thing, the magic thing of our profession
0:24:05 > 0:24:08is to be able to go from one film to another,
0:24:08 > 0:24:11changing character and disguise yourself,
0:24:11 > 0:24:14and I think this is, it's wonderful.
0:24:14 > 0:24:17And in a series on television, you can't do that,
0:24:17 > 0:24:19so that's why I never accepted it.
0:24:19 > 0:24:23Is it true that you were offered the Alexis Carrington part?
0:24:23 > 0:24:26- The part that Joan Collins subsequently took?- Yes.
0:24:27 > 0:24:30Cos I can't quite see you in that part.
0:24:30 > 0:24:32- No, I'm too good. - You are too good!
0:24:32 > 0:24:35AUDIENCE LAUGHS AND APPLAUDS
0:24:39 > 0:24:44I'll never forgive that Sofia Loren for putting her hand on my knee.
0:24:44 > 0:24:45No false modesty from her,
0:24:45 > 0:24:48but an unusual amount of modesty from this next performer.
0:24:48 > 0:24:52She, she's got a bag on her head for most of the song.
0:24:53 > 0:24:55Can you figure out who it is?
0:24:55 > 0:24:58AUDIENCE APPLAUDS
0:25:09 > 0:25:13# Slave to the rhythm
0:25:20 > 0:25:22# Oh, baby
0:25:25 > 0:25:29# I'm just playing around, baby
0:25:29 > 0:25:34# Work all day as men who know
0:25:34 > 0:25:39# Wheels must turn to keep the flow
0:25:39 > 0:25:43# Build on up, don't break the chain
0:25:43 > 0:25:48# Sparks will fly when the whistle blows
0:25:50 > 0:25:53# Never stop the action
0:25:53 > 0:25:55# Keep it up, keep it up
0:25:58 > 0:26:03# We'll sing, "Never stop the action"
0:26:03 > 0:26:04# Keep it up
0:26:08 > 0:26:13# Work to the rhythm
0:26:13 > 0:26:18# Live to the rhythm
0:26:18 > 0:26:23# Love to the rhythm
0:26:23 > 0:26:27# Slave to the rhythm
0:26:36 > 0:26:38# Axe to wood
0:26:40 > 0:26:43# In ancient times
0:26:45 > 0:26:47# Man machine
0:26:50 > 0:26:52# Power line
0:26:55 > 0:26:57# Fires burn
0:26:57 > 0:26:59# Hearts beat strong
0:26:59 > 0:27:02# Sing out loud
0:27:02 > 0:27:05# The chain gang song
0:27:06 > 0:27:09# Never stop the action
0:27:09 > 0:27:12# Oh, keep it up, keep it up
0:27:14 > 0:27:19# Never stop the action
0:27:19 > 0:27:21# Come on, keep it up
0:27:26 > 0:27:28# Breathe to the rhythm
0:27:29 > 0:27:34# Dance to the rhythm
0:27:34 > 0:27:39# Work to the rhythm
0:27:39 > 0:27:43# Live to the rhythm
0:27:44 > 0:27:49# Love to the rhythm
0:27:50 > 0:27:53# Be a slave to the rhythm
0:27:55 > 0:27:57# Oh, baby
0:28:06 > 0:28:07# Don't cry
0:28:08 > 0:28:11# It's only the rhythm
0:28:24 > 0:28:28# Give in to the rhythm
0:28:28 > 0:28:33# And you work to the rhythm
0:28:33 > 0:28:39# Love to the rhythm
0:28:39 > 0:28:43# Slave to the rhythm. #
0:28:45 > 0:28:49And now, ladies and gentlemen...
0:28:49 > 0:28:51Here's...
0:28:51 > 0:28:53Grace!
0:28:59 > 0:29:02# Slave
0:29:02 > 0:29:05# To the rhythm
0:29:08 > 0:29:10# To the rhythm
0:29:13 > 0:29:14# Oh! #
0:29:15 > 0:29:18AUDIENCE APPLAUDS
0:29:20 > 0:29:21Grace Jones, of course,
0:29:21 > 0:29:24cover girl turned cover-up girl
0:29:24 > 0:29:27and completely round the twist with it.
0:29:27 > 0:29:31Her main claim to fame was slapping dear old Russell Harty.
0:29:31 > 0:29:34She needed a good slap more than him.
0:29:34 > 0:29:36Another flamboyant figure now, Boy George.
0:29:36 > 0:29:39Seems extraordinary today when a woman with a beard
0:29:39 > 0:29:40wins the Eurovision,
0:29:40 > 0:29:42but putting on a dress and some make-up
0:29:42 > 0:29:45seemed completely outrageous in 1984,
0:29:45 > 0:29:47and it had turned George
0:29:47 > 0:29:50into one of the most famous faces on the planet.
0:29:50 > 0:29:53- Is it Boy or George?- Erm... - What do I call you?
0:29:53 > 0:29:56- Well, friends call me George, so I suppose George.- Yeah...
0:29:56 > 0:30:01Well, when last we met at the TV Times Awards, do you remember?
0:30:01 > 0:30:06I remember...a very macho actor Robert Mitchum.
0:30:06 > 0:30:08He took an immediate smack to you, didn't he?
0:30:08 > 0:30:10He wanted to adopt you, as I remember.
0:30:10 > 0:30:13Well, actually, his wife was very charming
0:30:13 > 0:30:14and, er, she just came up,
0:30:14 > 0:30:17she didn't sort of make any comments about me,
0:30:17 > 0:30:20cos I remember, Robert Mitchum was rather rude about me in The Sun...
0:30:20 > 0:30:23I don't believe that, cos he seemed to want to be photographed with...
0:30:23 > 0:30:26The thing that really hurt was that, erm...
0:30:26 > 0:30:29you were the only one of the British stars that the Americans knew.
0:30:29 > 0:30:31Oh, that's good, that's the way I like it.
0:30:31 > 0:30:33The rest of those were being ignored,
0:30:33 > 0:30:35but Robert Mitchum knew who you were immediately.
0:30:35 > 0:30:36Why are you so big in America?
0:30:36 > 0:30:38Why has it happened so quickly for you?
0:30:38 > 0:30:40I think because we work hard,
0:30:40 > 0:30:43and also because we haven't compromised on the way we look,
0:30:43 > 0:30:44on the way that we think about things.
0:30:44 > 0:30:47You know, we haven't gone to America and watered down our act.
0:30:47 > 0:30:50A lot of English bands, when they're starting to feel success in America,
0:30:50 > 0:30:52they went, they cut off their hair, they...
0:30:52 > 0:30:56Took off their false eyebrows and, er, basically made a real compromise.
0:30:56 > 0:30:57But with Culture Club,
0:30:57 > 0:31:00my attitude was go there, give them some culture.
0:31:00 > 0:31:05You know, bring them some English... AUDIENCE CHEERS AND APPLAUDS
0:31:05 > 0:31:08And, you know, bring them some real English eccentricity,
0:31:08 > 0:31:10because, I mean, let's face it,
0:31:10 > 0:31:13England, our culture is based on eccentricity, you know.
0:31:13 > 0:31:16And, er...I think that it's good for the Americans,
0:31:16 > 0:31:21because a lot of the time, you know, their idea of glamour is very,
0:31:21 > 0:31:23it's...our idea of glamour comes from the street.
0:31:23 > 0:31:25Young kids are glamorous in England, you know.
0:31:25 > 0:31:27A lot of fashion, a lot of the top fashion designers
0:31:27 > 0:31:29steal their ideas from young people.
0:31:29 > 0:31:31Like 15, you know, kids that are coming out of college.
0:31:31 > 0:31:33Whereas in America, glamour is much older.
0:31:33 > 0:31:36People are old stars and it's a new generation now.
0:31:36 > 0:31:39But wasn't it hard for middle America, particularly?
0:31:39 > 0:31:41I can understand the East Coast and the West Coast accepting you,
0:31:41 > 0:31:45but the whole...what about the Bible Belt and the southern states?
0:31:45 > 0:31:47I mean, what's their the reaction to you?
0:31:47 > 0:31:49Well, the word accepting obviously doesn't come into it,
0:31:49 > 0:31:52cos, erm, number one, they haven't accepted us at all.
0:31:52 > 0:31:54I was watching a programme a week ago.
0:31:54 > 0:31:55I woke up at six in the morning,
0:31:55 > 0:31:57I was watching breakfast TV, I won't say which side.
0:31:57 > 0:31:59And...there was a programme on about kids
0:31:59 > 0:32:02that wore one white glove to school, Michael Jackson fans,
0:32:02 > 0:32:04and the headmaster said,
0:32:04 > 0:32:05IN AN AMERICAN ACCENT: "God dammit,
0:32:05 > 0:32:09"if we let them wear this, they might dress up as Boy George." LAUGHTER
0:32:09 > 0:32:10And that kind of really brought it home to me
0:32:10 > 0:32:13that they just, they love the music,
0:32:13 > 0:32:15but they haven't accepted me, not at all.
0:32:15 > 0:32:17I mean, they've, you know, when we did the Grammy Awards,
0:32:17 > 0:32:18I turned around and I said,
0:32:18 > 0:32:21"America, you know a good drag queen when you see one."
0:32:21 > 0:32:23And of course, it was like, they analyse that.
0:32:23 > 0:32:25And the next day, in some of the colleges in middle America
0:32:25 > 0:32:27were analysing what I'd said.
0:32:27 > 0:32:29You know, "What you think of what George says?" You know?
0:32:29 > 0:32:32So, I think that they're very worried about me there.
0:32:32 > 0:32:35They kind of... AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:32:35 > 0:32:39But then, I suppose, that's the general attitude all over the world.
0:32:39 > 0:32:42The strange thing about, if I may say so, about your audience here,
0:32:42 > 0:32:44and I'm not sure if this is true of America,
0:32:44 > 0:32:46but certainly here, it's right across the board.
0:32:46 > 0:32:49It's very young to very old.
0:32:49 > 0:32:51Why? Why do you think that should be?
0:32:51 > 0:32:53I think because in England we're far more liberal,
0:32:53 > 0:32:55we're far more democratic.
0:32:55 > 0:32:58I mean, you know, you can complain about this country, you know,
0:32:58 > 0:33:00but basically, it's the best country in the world,
0:33:00 > 0:33:02you know, for everything, you know.
0:33:02 > 0:33:04All the best things happen, you know, music.
0:33:04 > 0:33:06England, I think is like a laboratory for ideas,
0:33:06 > 0:33:08and all the best things happen here.
0:33:08 > 0:33:11I mean, whether or not we capitalise on our best assets is another thing.
0:33:11 > 0:33:13I mean, I think a lot of the time, you know,
0:33:13 > 0:33:16we could really put more into our musicians.
0:33:16 > 0:33:18Like at school, I was never really encouraged to do music.
0:33:18 > 0:33:21It was, you can't kick a ball, right, outside the class.
0:33:21 > 0:33:23You know, it was, it was, erm, it wasn't a case of...
0:33:23 > 0:33:25giving you and making you do what you were good at,
0:33:25 > 0:33:27it was a case of do everything else...
0:33:27 > 0:33:30But maybe you were an unconventional pupil.
0:33:30 > 0:33:32- I don't think so. - I mean, I bet you were.
0:33:32 > 0:33:35I wasn't, actually. I think that I knew what I wanted.
0:33:35 > 0:33:38I think there are very few people who know what they want, obviously.
0:33:38 > 0:33:41But your headmaster reckoned you were unteachable.
0:33:41 > 0:33:43Well, he was, he was very untalkable to.
0:33:43 > 0:33:46LAUGHTER
0:33:46 > 0:33:49Do you get people being aggressive to you because of the way you look?
0:33:49 > 0:33:50- Um...- Well, unpleasant.
0:33:50 > 0:33:53I haven't really ever been attacked, because I'm quite big.
0:33:53 > 0:33:56- And also, because I think... - And your father was a boxer as well.
0:33:56 > 0:33:58Yeah, and also, I think the main thing is
0:33:58 > 0:34:00that I walk up with my head up.
0:34:00 > 0:34:01I used to have a shop in Carnaby Street,
0:34:01 > 0:34:04and there used to be gangs of skinheads on the corner,
0:34:04 > 0:34:05and I used to go round in high-heeled shoes.
0:34:05 > 0:34:07I don't wear them any more, of course.
0:34:07 > 0:34:10But I used to walk about with outrageous outfits,
0:34:10 > 0:34:11and they never used to hit me.
0:34:11 > 0:34:13It'd be, they'd shout and I'd go... HE BLOWS RASPBERRY
0:34:13 > 0:34:17You know, and, er, various things to that kind of form.
0:34:17 > 0:34:19And people never used to bother me.
0:34:19 > 0:34:21I don't know, I think that you, it's like dogs,
0:34:21 > 0:34:23you know, if you're frightened of a dog, it'll bite you,
0:34:23 > 0:34:26and I think you have to be confident, I mean, I'm not scared of anybody.
0:34:26 > 0:34:28I haven't got to justify myself. I can...
0:34:28 > 0:34:31Do you get bothered by, now that's the butch bothering...
0:34:31 > 0:34:34Do you get bothered by the more effeminate
0:34:34 > 0:34:35sections of the community?
0:34:35 > 0:34:37Oh, one guy came up to me once in a club
0:34:37 > 0:34:38and said, "You don't defend gays."
0:34:38 > 0:34:40I said, well, I don't believe anybody is anything.
0:34:40 > 0:34:42I think everybody should be,
0:34:42 > 0:34:44if you aren't strong enough to stick up for yourself, tough luck.
0:34:44 > 0:34:47He got very upset. Cos I said I'm not a poofter in the paper,
0:34:47 > 0:34:51and what I meant was that I'm not, you know, a teapot, short and stout.
0:34:51 > 0:34:54AUDIENCE LAUGHS You know, I am a man.
0:34:54 > 0:34:57I'm not trying to kind of kill some desire to be a woman.
0:34:57 > 0:34:58I mean, I'm totally a man,
0:34:58 > 0:35:00and when I go into the bathroom in the morning,
0:35:00 > 0:35:02I'm quite aware of what I am.
0:35:02 > 0:35:05I don't feel responsible for any section of the community.
0:35:05 > 0:35:07I love everybody.
0:35:07 > 0:35:08Anybody who wants to like me,
0:35:08 > 0:35:11whether they're gay or straight or dogs, cats, you know,
0:35:11 > 0:35:13any, budgies, any culture.
0:35:13 > 0:35:15I mean, I'll have anyone who wants me.
0:35:15 > 0:35:17- And they seem to, they seem to. - They do.
0:35:17 > 0:35:18- Thank you, Boy George.- Thank you.
0:35:18 > 0:35:21AUDIENCE CHEERS AND APPLAUDS
0:35:29 > 0:35:32Finally, one of my favourite ever guests,
0:35:32 > 0:35:33Dolly Parton.
0:35:33 > 0:35:36Always a joy to talk and listen to.
0:35:36 > 0:35:38Now, when she first came on the show,
0:35:38 > 0:35:40she'd just made her first film, 9 To 5,
0:35:40 > 0:35:44and written the cracking title track that went with it.
0:35:44 > 0:35:47AUDIENCE CHEERS AND APPLAUDS
0:35:49 > 0:35:50Who's out there?
0:35:53 > 0:35:56# I tumble outta bed and I stumble to the kitchen
0:35:56 > 0:35:58# Pour myself a cup of ambition
0:35:58 > 0:36:01# Yawn and stretch and try to come to life
0:36:02 > 0:36:04# And I jump in the shower and the blood starts pumpin'
0:36:04 > 0:36:06# Out on the street the traffic starts jumpin'
0:36:06 > 0:36:10# With folks like me on the job from 9 to 5
0:36:10 > 0:36:13- # Workin' - 9 to 5
0:36:13 > 0:36:15# What a way to make a livin'
0:36:15 > 0:36:17# Barely gettin' by
0:36:17 > 0:36:19# It's all takin' and no givin'
0:36:19 > 0:36:21# They'll just use your mind
0:36:21 > 0:36:24# But they'll never give you credit
0:36:24 > 0:36:29# It's enough to drive you crazy if you let it
0:36:29 > 0:36:32- # 9 to 5 - Yeah, for service and devotion
0:36:32 > 0:36:37- # You would think that I - Would deserve a fair promotion
0:36:37 > 0:36:41- # Want to move ahead - But the boss won't seem to let me
0:36:41 > 0:36:46# I swear sometimes that man is out to get me
0:36:50 > 0:36:53# But they let you dream just to watch 'em shatter
0:36:53 > 0:36:55# You're just a step on the boss-man's ladder
0:36:55 > 0:36:58# But you got dreams he'll never take away
0:36:59 > 0:37:02# Oh, you're in the same boat with a lot of your friends
0:37:02 > 0:37:04# Waitin' for the day your ship'll come in
0:37:04 > 0:37:07# The tide's gonna turn and it's all gonna roll your way
0:37:07 > 0:37:08# I just know it!
0:37:08 > 0:37:10# Workin' 9 to 5
0:37:10 > 0:37:12# What a way to make a livin'
0:37:12 > 0:37:14# Barely gettin' by
0:37:14 > 0:37:17# Well, it's all takin' and no givin'
0:37:17 > 0:37:19# They'll just use your mind
0:37:19 > 0:37:21# But they'll never give you credit
0:37:21 > 0:37:26# It's enough to drive you crazy if you let it
0:37:26 > 0:37:28# 9 to 5
0:37:28 > 0:37:30# Yeah, for service and devotion
0:37:30 > 0:37:34- # You would think that I - Would deserve a fair promotion
0:37:34 > 0:37:37# I want to move ahead
0:37:37 > 0:37:39# But the boss won't seem to let me
0:37:39 > 0:37:44# I swear sometimes that man is out to get me
0:37:44 > 0:37:46- # 9 to 5 - Yeah
0:37:46 > 0:37:48# They got you where they want you
0:37:48 > 0:37:50# There's a better life
0:37:50 > 0:37:52# And you dream about that don't you?
0:37:52 > 0:37:55# It's a rich man's game
0:37:55 > 0:37:57# I don't care what they call it
0:37:57 > 0:38:02# And you spend your life puttin' money in his wallet
0:38:02 > 0:38:04# 9 to 5
0:38:06 > 0:38:08# Workin' 9 to 5
0:38:08 > 0:38:10# Just workin' 9 to 5
0:38:10 > 0:38:14# You're workin' 9 to 5
0:38:14 > 0:38:16# Workin' 9 to 5
0:38:16 > 0:38:19# Ye-e-e-ah #
0:38:19 > 0:38:22AUDIENCE APPLAUDS AND CHEERS
0:38:28 > 0:38:31INDISTINGUISHABLE SPEECH
0:38:31 > 0:38:32- Thanks for that.- Smashing.
0:38:32 > 0:38:35- That's rough on a fat girl. - That was pretty good.
0:38:35 > 0:38:38No, I wouldn't say there is an ounce of superfluous flesh on you.
0:38:38 > 0:38:40AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:38:40 > 0:38:42Aw, thank you, I know, I wouldn't be on your show now.
0:38:42 > 0:38:46- Yeah, I've lost a bit of weight myself.- Have you? Really? How much?
0:38:46 > 0:38:48- I don't want to talk about it. - OK, well, we won't.
0:38:48 > 0:38:49Because it may come back if I talk about it.
0:38:49 > 0:38:52- Yeah, I know what you mean.- If you ignore it, it goes away.- I know.
0:38:52 > 0:38:55Now, 9 To 5 was really your entry into Hollywood,
0:38:55 > 0:38:58into films and...did you find that tough?
0:38:58 > 0:39:01No, that was actually one of the easier things I've ever done.
0:39:01 > 0:39:05I had not...decided on whether or not I was to do the movies
0:39:05 > 0:39:06until this particular script came up,
0:39:06 > 0:39:08because I had been offered a lot of things,
0:39:08 > 0:39:12I was beginning to be fairly popular at home on television.
0:39:12 > 0:39:14Your modesty, your modesty does you credit.
0:39:14 > 0:39:16No, but I'm talking about as far as records,
0:39:16 > 0:39:19and I had done a lot of talk shows like this, the Johnny Carson show
0:39:19 > 0:39:21and some of the shows very similar to this.
0:39:21 > 0:39:22- Johnny...?- Carson.- Carson.
0:39:22 > 0:39:25Yeah, I don't know... AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:39:25 > 0:39:28But anyway, when this particular script came up,
0:39:28 > 0:39:29with Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin,
0:39:29 > 0:39:31I thought, "Well, this'll be great,
0:39:31 > 0:39:33"if it's a big success, then I can take credit for it.
0:39:33 > 0:39:37"And if it's a flop, I'll blame it on Jane and Lily," so...
0:39:37 > 0:39:39On one of your projects, which tickled me,
0:39:39 > 0:39:42because everything is going, even in this country now,
0:39:42 > 0:39:45they're beginning to get the idea of theme parks...
0:39:45 > 0:39:49- Oh, yeah!- ..and you have an idea, you have an idea for a Dolly theme park.
0:39:49 > 0:39:51I have an idea that I've had for years
0:39:51 > 0:39:54that now is beginning to become a reality.
0:39:54 > 0:39:57There's a place in East Tennessee called Gatlinburg
0:39:57 > 0:39:59in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park,
0:39:59 > 0:40:03which is one of the biggest tourist areas in the United States,
0:40:03 > 0:40:05and I happen to be born and raised in that part of the country.
0:40:05 > 0:40:09And there will be a new park, a new city, actually,
0:40:09 > 0:40:11called Dollywood USA.
0:40:11 > 0:40:14And, er...and it will be, it's like a mountain fantasy,
0:40:14 > 0:40:17it's like the Walt Disney land, it's like Disneyland,
0:40:17 > 0:40:19only it will be in the Smoky Mountains
0:40:19 > 0:40:21and I would say within three to five years
0:40:21 > 0:40:23that it will be a big, big park.
0:40:23 > 0:40:26We have a golf course, I'm going to have a race track,
0:40:26 > 0:40:27we'll have all the fantasy things,
0:40:27 > 0:40:30and it's something that is a major dream of mine.
0:40:30 > 0:40:33Yeah, what kind of Dolly fantasies will you have?
0:40:33 > 0:40:36Well, we'll have like honeymoon suites in the mountains
0:40:36 > 0:40:38like where you can, you know, like, for the people.
0:40:38 > 0:40:40We'll have a chapel where you can get married there.
0:40:40 > 0:40:42You can also spend your whole honeymoon there,
0:40:42 > 0:40:44where people bring the food in too.
0:40:44 > 0:40:46- We'll have a teen town...- You'll never have to leave your room.
0:40:46 > 0:40:49No, you won't have to leave your room if you don't want.
0:40:49 > 0:40:51But we'll also have services for babies, baby-sitting.
0:40:51 > 0:40:54Pets, you know, for pets, where you can leave your pets.
0:40:54 > 0:40:56We'll have the recreational parks, the whole thing.
0:40:56 > 0:41:00Basically, well, very similar nature to the, to Disneyland,
0:41:00 > 0:41:01only there will be many, many other things.
0:41:01 > 0:41:04Canoeing, horseback riding, camping out,
0:41:04 > 0:41:07and actually sort of a Southern way of life.
0:41:07 > 0:41:09A combination of all the wonderful things of this world
0:41:09 > 0:41:11that people look for.
0:41:11 > 0:41:14Will be shaped in the contours of Dolly Parton?
0:41:14 > 0:41:16Well, I'm the only person that ever left the Smoky Mountains
0:41:16 > 0:41:19and took 'em with her. AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:41:19 > 0:41:23So maybe we'll have some... AUDIENCE APPLAUDS
0:41:23 > 0:41:26For many men, you are a fantasy figure.
0:41:26 > 0:41:30Um, does that mean that you get resentment from women?
0:41:30 > 0:41:31No, it don't.
0:41:31 > 0:41:33As a matter of fact, like I said to you earlier,
0:41:33 > 0:41:36some find me sexy, some find me ridiculous.
0:41:36 > 0:41:38But I find that I have more...
0:41:38 > 0:41:40I think it's wonderful that somebody can say
0:41:40 > 0:41:43that some, some find me ridiculous, it speaks of tremendous honesty.
0:41:43 > 0:41:45Well, it is an honesty because, like I say,
0:41:45 > 0:41:46I can see myself very well,
0:41:46 > 0:41:50cos I'm not really your basic beauty, I mean...
0:41:50 > 0:41:51Oh, I wouldn't say that.
0:41:51 > 0:41:54Well, I mean, you have to understand that
0:41:54 > 0:41:56I know myself probably better than anybody else,
0:41:56 > 0:41:57but women do not resent me
0:41:57 > 0:42:01because the fact that they can say to their husband
0:42:01 > 0:42:04if their husband or their boyfriend, if they get all out of hand,
0:42:04 > 0:42:05they can say, "Oh, you don't know,
0:42:05 > 0:42:08"she may be completely bald under that wig!"
0:42:08 > 0:42:10Or, "You don't know if those are for real or not."
0:42:10 > 0:42:13So they kind of have something to... AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:42:13 > 0:42:15..to strike back with
0:42:15 > 0:42:18and I think the fact that I have been, had enough nerve to...
0:42:18 > 0:42:20you know, do some of the things that I've done
0:42:20 > 0:42:22or look some of the ways that I've looked
0:42:22 > 0:42:24and wear some of the things that I've worn.
0:42:24 > 0:42:25I think it kind of, in some ways,
0:42:25 > 0:42:27I think it gives some women a chance to say,
0:42:27 > 0:42:30"Well, if I had the nerve, I would do that"
0:42:30 > 0:42:32or, you know, "Don't get too out of hand,
0:42:32 > 0:42:34"cos you don't know if any of it's real or not," so...
0:42:34 > 0:42:37When you get to this stage of being old granny Parton...
0:42:37 > 0:42:39SHE GIGGLES Thank you.
0:42:39 > 0:42:40..what are going to do?
0:42:40 > 0:42:42- Are you still going to wear the rhinestones and...?- Probably.
0:42:42 > 0:42:44Probably, if I feel led to.
0:42:44 > 0:42:46You know, it's kind of like one of those things
0:42:46 > 0:42:50if I, I would imagine I'll be quite a character when I'm older.
0:42:50 > 0:42:52I would love to always be able to just be
0:42:52 > 0:42:55whatever seems to make me happy.
0:42:55 > 0:42:59And I would love to be able to write songs and to write books
0:42:59 > 0:43:01and be sort of like Agatha Christie
0:43:01 > 0:43:02and always be productive,
0:43:02 > 0:43:05and be an adviser to other people in the business
0:43:05 > 0:43:07and so, I'm trying to learn all I can.
0:43:07 > 0:43:09But I'm sure I'll be as ridiculous as an old lady
0:43:09 > 0:43:12- as I am as a young one. - I don't think you're ridiculous.
0:43:12 > 0:43:13Somebody said to me once,
0:43:13 > 0:43:16"What do you want people to say about you 100 years from now?"
0:43:16 > 0:43:18And I said, "I want 'em to say,
0:43:18 > 0:43:22"'Boy, does she ever look good for her age.'"
0:43:22 > 0:43:24So that's sort of like I'd like them to think.
0:43:24 > 0:43:26- Dolly Parton, thank you. - Thank you.
0:43:26 > 0:43:28AUDIENCE APPLAUDS
0:43:34 > 0:43:36Goodbye, Dolly.
0:43:36 > 0:43:39That has to be a cue for me to shuffle off to Buffalo
0:43:39 > 0:43:42and count the hours till we can be together again.