0:00:02 > 0:00:04It was a show that went out three nights a week live.
0:00:04 > 0:00:05Mr Wogan, you're on, you're on.
0:00:05 > 0:00:09With a live audience and everyone who is anyone dropping in.
0:00:09 > 0:00:14The great and the good, the bad and the ugly. They called it Wogan.
0:00:14 > 0:00:15Ha, I never knew why.
0:00:15 > 0:00:18So, if you're sitting comfortably,
0:00:18 > 0:00:20I'll show you something I made earlier.
0:00:20 > 0:00:23God knows what they'll think of us in 25 years' time.
0:00:35 > 0:00:36Gosh, it's you again.
0:00:36 > 0:00:39Welcome to a show bursting with best bits
0:00:39 > 0:00:42from the Wogan back catalogue.
0:00:42 > 0:00:44It's an eclectic mix we have for you today,
0:00:44 > 0:00:48but I think your interest will be piqued because the line-up includes
0:00:48 > 0:00:51Margaret Thatcher, Naomi Campbell,
0:00:51 > 0:00:54Vanessa-Mae and Paul Gascoigne.
0:00:55 > 0:01:00Why don't we make a start with a rare interview with royalty?
0:01:00 > 0:01:01I rarely get the chance.
0:01:01 > 0:01:05And when Princess Anne came onto the Wogan show in 1985,
0:01:05 > 0:01:09it gave the public an opportunity to see her outside official engagements
0:01:09 > 0:01:14and a chance to find out what Her Royal Highness was really like.
0:01:14 > 0:01:17And the consensus afterwards was...
0:01:17 > 0:01:18most people really liked her.
0:01:19 > 0:01:20I certainly did.
0:01:20 > 0:01:23Are you conscious of the fact that - what is called
0:01:23 > 0:01:25in this business your image -
0:01:25 > 0:01:28has improved over the past few years?
0:01:30 > 0:01:31Mm.
0:01:31 > 0:01:33LAUGHTER You're telling me? Erm...
0:01:35 > 0:01:38Yes, I tend to wonder...
0:01:40 > 0:01:44I like to ask people what they were expecting
0:01:44 > 0:01:46before they met me
0:01:46 > 0:01:48and then I find out what my image was, you see.
0:01:48 > 0:01:51- What do they say when you ask them that?- I'm just about ask YOU that.
0:01:51 > 0:01:53LAUGHTER
0:01:53 > 0:01:55APPLAUSE
0:02:01 > 0:02:02Well, you see, the problem is, ma'am,
0:02:02 > 0:02:05that if I tell you that you will blush in all modesty.
0:02:05 > 0:02:07LAUGHTER
0:02:07 > 0:02:09Oh.
0:02:09 > 0:02:10Well, forget it.
0:02:10 > 0:02:12LAUGHTER
0:02:12 > 0:02:15My goodness, I just scraped out of that one.
0:02:15 > 0:02:16LAUGHTER
0:02:16 > 0:02:18All public figures are security risks,
0:02:18 > 0:02:22to what extent is your private life hampered...
0:02:22 > 0:02:24by security?
0:02:26 > 0:02:28Nowadays, not, really.
0:02:31 > 0:02:34Because living in Gloucestershire and on a farm
0:02:34 > 0:02:37is really quite off the beaten track
0:02:37 > 0:02:41and out of the public view. It's really not too difficult.
0:02:41 > 0:02:45You're at home and not very much in evidence.
0:02:45 > 0:02:47Erm...
0:02:47 > 0:02:50In public on your official engagements, of course,
0:02:50 > 0:02:55it's an occupational hazard and I think while busy and while
0:02:55 > 0:02:59you're actually going about talking to people you don't really notice.
0:02:59 > 0:03:01That's not to say that other people, of course, don't notice
0:03:01 > 0:03:05because it tends to be rather more obvious from the outside
0:03:05 > 0:03:07than it is from where you are.
0:03:07 > 0:03:10Do you and Captain Phillips ever get a chance to go out on your own,
0:03:10 > 0:03:11say, for a quiet meal?
0:03:13 > 0:03:18Yes, again, because in the area... Being a sort of reasonably quiet,
0:03:18 > 0:03:20rural area, that's not really very difficult.
0:03:20 > 0:03:22We've actually got one or two decent restaurants.
0:03:22 > 0:03:24I'm not going to tell you what they are!
0:03:24 > 0:03:26LAUGHTER
0:03:26 > 0:03:28I and the family would be down there next Sunday.
0:03:28 > 0:03:29LAUGHTER
0:03:29 > 0:03:32Well, you must know the area because in Cheltenham...
0:03:32 > 0:03:34- You go to Cheltenham occasionally, don't you?- Yes, I do.
0:03:34 > 0:03:37To support the Irish and we needed a bit of support this year.
0:03:37 > 0:03:39You did, didn't you? Yes.
0:03:39 > 0:03:43- Did you have any bets yourself?- No. I give that up a long time ago.
0:03:43 > 0:03:45LAUGHTER
0:03:45 > 0:03:47When I was about 12.
0:03:47 > 0:03:48LAUGHTER
0:03:50 > 0:03:53- Lost all your pocket money.- Yes.
0:03:53 > 0:03:54To my nanny.
0:03:54 > 0:03:57LAUGHTER
0:03:58 > 0:04:02What would you say was the... Do you enjoy going to formal functions?
0:04:03 > 0:04:06I mean, you have to keep that smile on all the time and...
0:04:06 > 0:04:09be nice to everybody.
0:04:09 > 0:04:12Well, you're nice to most of your guests, aren't you, really?
0:04:12 > 0:04:14And you manage to smile at them
0:04:14 > 0:04:17and sort of keep up with them intelligently.
0:04:17 > 0:04:19Yes, but only for about 40 minutes.
0:04:19 > 0:04:21You've got to do it for hours on end.
0:04:21 > 0:04:25I don't have to speak to the same person for 40 minutes.
0:04:25 > 0:04:27I mean, everybody's different.
0:04:27 > 0:04:31I mean, you seldom meet the same person twice.
0:04:31 > 0:04:36But the thing that always strikes me as a formidable task is
0:04:36 > 0:04:38the endless reviewing lines that you have to go to, say,
0:04:38 > 0:04:41at a Royal premiere or at a Bafta Award.
0:04:41 > 0:04:44How can you think of something new to say
0:04:44 > 0:04:46to each one that you come up to?
0:04:46 > 0:04:48Apart from, "I loved the movie" and...
0:04:48 > 0:04:50Well, except for they usually introduce you
0:04:50 > 0:04:53before you've seen the movie which is always a bit of a hazard.
0:04:53 > 0:04:55LAUGHTER
0:04:55 > 0:04:57"I loved your last movie."
0:04:57 > 0:04:59It's like when you're opening something you haven't even
0:04:59 > 0:05:01seen which happens quite a lot.
0:05:01 > 0:05:03What do you do under those circumstances -
0:05:03 > 0:05:05when you open something you haven't seen?
0:05:05 > 0:05:08I'm very short about it. I don't say a lot.
0:05:08 > 0:05:11I say, "I'm very much looking forward to seeing whatever it is that
0:05:11 > 0:05:15"I'm about to open." Or words to that effect.
0:05:15 > 0:05:18But I frequently thank them for the opportunity of having seen it
0:05:18 > 0:05:20before I open it if I'm allowed to do so.
0:05:20 > 0:05:23LAUGHTER
0:05:23 > 0:05:28Erm, it slightly depends. I mean, you can play it two ways.
0:05:28 > 0:05:32You can ask everybody... It's rather like sort of market research.
0:05:32 > 0:05:36You can ask everybody, literally everybody, the same questions...
0:05:36 > 0:05:39Like you have three questions for that afternoon
0:05:39 > 0:05:41and you ask everybody the same questions
0:05:41 > 0:05:44and with any luck it shortens the time involved
0:05:44 > 0:05:47because if the person standing next to the one you're talking to
0:05:47 > 0:05:50is paying any attention, they'll have the answers ready for you.
0:05:50 > 0:05:53LAUGHTER
0:05:53 > 0:05:58What would you do if royalty was abolished? What...?
0:05:58 > 0:06:00LAUGHTER
0:06:00 > 0:06:03I'd have to work even harder on the farm, wouldn't I?
0:06:03 > 0:06:05LAUGHTER
0:06:05 > 0:06:07Is there anything you would really like to do?
0:06:07 > 0:06:10Any career you would like to have pursued it you hadn't
0:06:10 > 0:06:12been the royal princess?
0:06:12 > 0:06:15I think it's rather difficult to tell now what career
0:06:15 > 0:06:17I would really like to have pursued.
0:06:17 > 0:06:20Didn't you qualify as a heavy goods vehicle driver?
0:06:20 > 0:06:23LAUGHTER
0:06:23 > 0:06:27Yes, out of necessity I qualified as a heavy goods vehicle driver.
0:06:27 > 0:06:31I thought it might have been some urge to drive a great pantechnicon
0:06:31 > 0:06:35down a motorway one day and roll over hedgehogs.
0:06:35 > 0:06:36LAUGHTER
0:06:36 > 0:06:41This is just yet another one of those bits of media mythology, isn't it?
0:06:41 > 0:06:46I was actually asked if there was anything I could do if,
0:06:46 > 0:06:49as you mentioned, the royal family was abolished.
0:06:49 > 0:06:51And, just like that, I mean,
0:06:51 > 0:06:55on the basis that one didn't have a farm to work on or there was no other
0:06:55 > 0:07:01alternative, both my husband and I have heavy goods vehicle licences.
0:07:01 > 0:07:05Erm, he has an HGV 1 and I have an HGV 3.
0:07:05 > 0:07:09So, in fact, it seemed like a very logical way of earning one's living.
0:07:10 > 0:07:12And you could do it... There are, in fact...
0:07:12 > 0:07:16There is quite a demand for good horsebox drivers...
0:07:16 > 0:07:17LAUGHTER
0:07:17 > 0:07:20..who know one end of a horse from another, you see.
0:07:20 > 0:07:23And we thought we could probably crack that one between us.
0:07:23 > 0:07:25LAUGHTER
0:07:25 > 0:07:26So that would be the career?
0:07:26 > 0:07:29- You think you could bend your hand to that?- Yes.
0:07:29 > 0:07:31But you said what would I CHOOSE as a career,
0:07:31 > 0:07:34- that wasn't the same thing at all. - No, that's true. A sneaky...
0:07:34 > 0:07:36And if I get any more offers for,
0:07:36 > 0:07:37"If you really want to come
0:07:37 > 0:07:41"and drive a lorry, come up to the Co-op at wherever it is," or,
0:07:41 > 0:07:43"I've got a spare lorry going you can try..."
0:07:43 > 0:07:45I already do drive.
0:07:46 > 0:07:48Quite often.
0:07:49 > 0:07:52Your Royal Highness, thank you for joining us.
0:07:52 > 0:07:55APPLAUSE
0:08:02 > 0:08:07A musical moment now that was not just a treat but an honour for me.
0:08:07 > 0:08:10How many can say they've sat next to the great Peggy Lee
0:08:10 > 0:08:15as she sang one of her greatest songs, Fever?
0:08:30 > 0:08:34# Never know how much I love you
0:08:34 > 0:08:37# You never know how much I care
0:08:37 > 0:08:40# When you put your arms around me
0:08:40 > 0:08:43# I get a fever that's so hard to bear
0:08:43 > 0:08:46# You give me fever
0:08:46 > 0:08:48# When you kiss me
0:08:48 > 0:08:51# Fever when you hold me tight
0:08:51 > 0:08:53# Fever
0:08:53 > 0:08:54# In the mornin'
0:08:54 > 0:08:57# Fever all through the night
0:08:58 > 0:09:01# They said when I met Terry Wogan
0:09:01 > 0:09:05# You simply have to touch his knee
0:09:05 > 0:09:08# I don't know what they meant by that
0:09:08 > 0:09:11# But I think I'll have to try it and see
0:09:11 > 0:09:14# You give me fever
0:09:14 > 0:09:15# When you kiss me
0:09:15 > 0:09:19# Fever when you hold me tight
0:09:19 > 0:09:20# Fever
0:09:20 > 0:09:22# In the mornin'
0:09:22 > 0:09:24# Fever all through the night
0:09:26 > 0:09:29# Everybody's got the fever
0:09:29 > 0:09:33# That is somethin' you all know
0:09:33 > 0:09:36# Fever isn't such a new thing
0:09:36 > 0:09:38# Fever started long ago
0:09:40 > 0:09:42# Ah-h-h
0:09:47 > 0:09:49# Romeo loved Juliet
0:09:49 > 0:09:53# Juliet, she felt the same
0:09:53 > 0:09:56# When he put his arms around her
0:09:56 > 0:09:58# He said Julie, baby, you're my flame
0:09:58 > 0:10:03# Thou giveth fever with your kisses
0:10:03 > 0:10:05# Fever with thy flaming youth
0:10:06 > 0:10:10# Fever, I'm on fire
0:10:10 > 0:10:13# Fever yea I burn forsooth
0:10:13 > 0:10:15# Forsooth, I doth burn
0:10:20 > 0:10:23# Captain Smith, Pocahontas
0:10:23 > 0:10:26# Had a very mad affair
0:10:26 > 0:10:29# When her daddy tried to kill him
0:10:29 > 0:10:32# She said, Daddy, oh, don't you dare
0:10:32 > 0:10:35# He gives me fever
0:10:35 > 0:10:37# With his kisses
0:10:37 > 0:10:40# Fever when he holds me tight
0:10:40 > 0:10:41# Fever, I'm his missus
0:10:43 > 0:10:47# Daddy, won't you treat him right?
0:10:47 > 0:10:51# Ah-h-h-h
0:10:54 > 0:10:57# Now you've listened to my story
0:10:57 > 0:11:00# Here's the point that I have made
0:11:00 > 0:11:03# Chicks were born to give you fever
0:11:03 > 0:11:06# Be it Fahrenheit or centigrade
0:11:06 > 0:11:10# They give you fever when you kiss them
0:11:10 > 0:11:12# Fever when you touch their knee
0:11:14 > 0:11:16# Fever, I'm on fire. #
0:11:16 > 0:11:18SHE CHUCKLES
0:11:18 > 0:11:21# You see
0:11:22 > 0:11:26# And what a lovely way to burn
0:11:26 > 0:11:30# What a lovely way to burn
0:11:30 > 0:11:33# What a lovely way to burn. #
0:11:35 > 0:11:40APPLAUSE
0:11:50 > 0:11:53Now, getting up close and finding out what makes a person tick
0:11:53 > 0:11:57is one of the great privileges of being a talk-show host.
0:11:57 > 0:12:00Here's one example where I hope we learned a bit more about the person
0:12:00 > 0:12:05than we would have done in, say, a hard-hitting political interview.
0:12:05 > 0:12:08And I say political because this next guest
0:12:08 > 0:12:11was the then Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher.
0:12:11 > 0:12:13APPLAUSE
0:12:35 > 0:12:38You don't often get an audience as rowdy as that, I suppose.
0:12:38 > 0:12:41Oh, very often in Prime Minister's Questions.
0:12:41 > 0:12:43LAUGHTER
0:12:43 > 0:12:45Yes, they're much rowdier than that at Prime Minister's Questions
0:12:45 > 0:12:48- and probably not as well disposed. - Quite.
0:12:48 > 0:12:52I was going to ask you about the performance in the House of Commons
0:12:52 > 0:12:55or when you're meeting heads of state, are you ever apprehensive?
0:12:55 > 0:12:59Are you ever nervous before you get up and speak?
0:12:59 > 0:13:02Always. And you wouldn't speak well if you weren't.
0:13:02 > 0:13:05I've been answering questions in the House every
0:13:05 > 0:13:09Tuesday and Thursday for ten years when the House is in session.
0:13:09 > 0:13:12I'm still just as nervous as I was at the beginning.
0:13:12 > 0:13:15It requires immense preparation,
0:13:15 > 0:13:18it usually takes me about four hours to prepare because
0:13:18 > 0:13:22I've no idea what the questions are and I know everyone will like to ask
0:13:22 > 0:13:27a topical one, so I have to go through the papers very carefully.
0:13:27 > 0:13:32But the moment you've started, you forget about yourself completely.
0:13:32 > 0:13:35You think only about the answers and then it's all right.
0:13:35 > 0:13:38Do you ever look at yourself on television?
0:13:38 > 0:13:40Do you ever analyse your performances?
0:13:40 > 0:13:44No, I've only ever done so once, I can't bear seeing myself.
0:13:44 > 0:13:47I think one would be most critical,
0:13:47 > 0:13:49far more critical than anyone else.
0:13:49 > 0:13:51But when we were going to have television in the House,
0:13:51 > 0:13:54the cameras were in a completely different position from what
0:13:54 > 0:13:56you'd expect normally,
0:13:56 > 0:14:00so I did go and stand by the dispatch box and the cameras
0:14:00 > 0:14:02very kindly took a film of how it would look
0:14:02 > 0:14:05and that really was very useful.
0:14:05 > 0:14:08But that was not live, it was a kind of private performance.
0:14:08 > 0:14:11Otherwise the whole family knows
0:14:11 > 0:14:16that if I'm in the news, I go immediately and turn off the news.
0:14:16 > 0:14:20They turn it on, so I have to go out until it's over.
0:14:20 > 0:14:24- You get embarrassed by yourself? - I would be very, very dissatisfied.
0:14:24 > 0:14:27You never know what you yourself look like, you can't.
0:14:27 > 0:14:30You never know what you yourself sound like
0:14:30 > 0:14:32and I don't think you'd be...
0:14:32 > 0:14:34You would think you look different
0:14:34 > 0:14:38- and sounded different from you do. - Do you ever have any advice?
0:14:38 > 0:14:40Do people come to you and say, "Prime Minister,
0:14:40 > 0:14:42"you shouldn't have stood like that.
0:14:42 > 0:14:45"Perhaps you shouldn't have worn that dress."
0:14:45 > 0:14:47We don't have half as much of that
0:14:47 > 0:14:49now as right at the beginning of television
0:14:49 > 0:14:53when they told you there were all sorts of things that you mustn't do
0:14:53 > 0:14:55but, really, if you've got to think about every single movement,
0:14:55 > 0:14:58- you can't think about what you're going to say.- That's true.
0:14:58 > 0:15:01And it's much more important to think what you're going to say.
0:15:01 > 0:15:03So, really, in a way, you have to forget yourself.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06Otherwise, you'll look stilted.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10Now, you've been at Number Ten for ten years now, this is the 11th, and
0:15:10 > 0:15:15you've seen your share of trouble and strife, and success, triumph.
0:15:15 > 0:15:18What have been your worst moments?
0:15:18 > 0:15:21Oh, the worst moment, undoubtedly, was
0:15:21 > 0:15:25when the Argentinians invaded the Falkland Islands.
0:15:25 > 0:15:26I will never forget it,
0:15:26 > 0:15:29when the news came that their fleet was on the way
0:15:29 > 0:15:33and we didn't know whether it was just an exercise
0:15:33 > 0:15:36or whether they were going to invade.
0:15:36 > 0:15:38They're 8,000 miles away.
0:15:38 > 0:15:43And the question was, could we ever get them back if they landed?
0:15:43 > 0:15:47Some advice said, "No, we can't.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50"We can't get them back if they take them."
0:15:51 > 0:15:55And you would think that it would have been impossible.
0:15:55 > 0:15:578,000 miles away.
0:15:57 > 0:15:59Takes three weeks to get there.
0:15:59 > 0:16:03Three weeks forewarning. You would have thought it was impossible.
0:16:03 > 0:16:06But we had to do it.
0:16:06 > 0:16:08Public opinion required it.
0:16:08 > 0:16:14Someone had invaded British territory and the people were British.
0:16:14 > 0:16:19They had been British, always, and the Argentinians hadn't lived there.
0:16:20 > 0:16:26And I will not forget calling together the chiefs of staff
0:16:26 > 0:16:30and then the Admiral coming in and saying,
0:16:30 > 0:16:35"Within 48 hours, Prime Minister, I can dispatch a whole fleet,
0:16:35 > 0:16:38"because we're always ready for NATO."
0:16:38 > 0:16:41And within 48 hours, it was dispatched.
0:16:43 > 0:16:49And then we had three weeks when we negotiated. And then we had to land.
0:16:49 > 0:16:51And that was another terrible time.
0:16:51 > 0:16:55And during the whole of that Falklands campaign, it was awful,
0:16:55 > 0:17:02but, just before we landed I had another visit from Harold Macmillan.
0:17:02 > 0:17:05He just came in to see me.
0:17:05 > 0:17:10And he just said, "I am the senior of all the living prime ministers.
0:17:10 > 0:17:15"I just want to offer you our full and total support."
0:17:15 > 0:17:18"And maybe to give you a little advice."
0:17:18 > 0:17:20Which was so very welcome.
0:17:20 > 0:17:24He said, "Set up a small emergency committee of Cabinet,
0:17:24 > 0:17:28"always with your chiefs of staff, not more than five."
0:17:28 > 0:17:31"And", he said, "keep the Treasury out."
0:17:31 > 0:17:32LAUGHTER
0:17:32 > 0:17:35I thought that was very good advice because, really, it wasn't
0:17:35 > 0:17:37a question of money. We had to recover those.
0:17:37 > 0:17:40And we only had the bravery and professionalism
0:17:40 > 0:17:43of our people to rely on. So, I set up that emergency committee
0:17:43 > 0:17:46and we met every morning and every evening.
0:17:46 > 0:17:49Is this a good rule for all government, keep the Treasury out?
0:17:49 > 0:17:52No, no, no, it is only for emergencies because we have,
0:17:52 > 0:17:54in fact, just like a household, just like a business,
0:17:54 > 0:17:57we have to watch that we don't go and spend too much.
0:17:57 > 0:17:59You seem never stuck for an answer.
0:17:59 > 0:18:01Are you always certain of your ground?
0:18:01 > 0:18:05Goodness me, they'd howl you down if you were stuck for an answer.
0:18:05 > 0:18:06They learn a technique.
0:18:06 > 0:18:10Some ask longer questions and put all sorts of things in at
0:18:10 > 0:18:13the beginning which aren't right, and hope that you won't pick them up.
0:18:13 > 0:18:15Others think, "If I get in a quickie,
0:18:15 > 0:18:18"she won't have time to think of an answer."
0:18:18 > 0:18:20So you have all sorts of techniques.
0:18:20 > 0:18:24They don't seem to make any concessions to the fact
0:18:24 > 0:18:25that you're a woman.
0:18:25 > 0:18:27No, why should they?
0:18:27 > 0:18:30And I don't make any concession to the fact that they are men!
0:18:30 > 0:18:31LAUGHTER
0:18:31 > 0:18:33APPLAUSE
0:18:36 > 0:18:40Whether you like the image or not, you have the image of being
0:18:40 > 0:18:44a dominating personality, which you have, a dominating personality.
0:18:44 > 0:18:46And even domineering, in Cabinet.
0:18:46 > 0:18:50- That you don't like people who argue with you.- No.
0:18:50 > 0:18:51That's absolutely wrong.
0:18:51 > 0:18:54There's not much point in being a Prime Minister
0:18:54 > 0:18:56unless you are a dominating personality.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59Because you're dealing all the time with other heads of government
0:18:59 > 0:19:02and heads of state who are also dominating personalities.
0:19:02 > 0:19:04But, yes, I do like arguing.
0:19:04 > 0:19:07Absolutely flatly contrary to the image.
0:19:07 > 0:19:12We argue things out, and that is the way we come to a conclusion.
0:19:12 > 0:19:14But, in the end, they should agree with you?
0:19:14 > 0:19:20In the end... In the end, we come to the right conclusion.
0:19:20 > 0:19:22LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
0:19:26 > 0:19:29Margaret Thatcher. Perhaps the most admired,
0:19:29 > 0:19:33and hated, political figure of our time.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35We've had royalty, politics,
0:19:35 > 0:19:39and now, as they say, for something completely different, although
0:19:39 > 0:19:42I suppose you could describe Naomi Campbell as a queen of the catwalk,
0:19:42 > 0:19:47with a reputation in the fashion world as fierce as the Iron Lady's.
0:19:49 > 0:19:53Is it true that supermodels get paid an enormous amount of money?
0:19:53 > 0:19:55£10,000 a day?
0:19:55 > 0:19:59I never discuss money, ever. And I want to correct this.
0:19:59 > 0:20:02I never, ever said in any of my interviews that
0:20:02 > 0:20:05- I would never get out of bed for 10,000.- I never said you did.
0:20:05 > 0:20:07We were just making it up as we went along.
0:20:07 > 0:20:09It's a quote that's been following me for a while,
0:20:09 > 0:20:13but I just want to correct it, because I think it's not right.
0:20:13 > 0:20:16Some people wouldn't make that in a lifetime, so they'd be mad to
0:20:16 > 0:20:20hear that we would make that or not get out of bed for that, so...
0:20:20 > 0:20:24Yeah, but I mean, it's market forces. It's supply and demand.
0:20:24 > 0:20:28You're a supermodel now. You can demand enormous fees, can't you?
0:20:28 > 0:20:31Well, I don't know if we can demand even that much,
0:20:31 > 0:20:35because it's like, to be here today and gone tomorrow. We can say,
0:20:35 > 0:20:39"Yeah, I will do it, and book it. I'll be there."
0:20:39 > 0:20:43How do the other models feel about the supermodels?
0:20:43 > 0:20:47I mean, presumably, you can dictate the clothes you want to wear.
0:20:47 > 0:20:50Actually, no. I wore some stuff in Milan that I hated,
0:20:50 > 0:20:53but because they're paying you, you've got to wear it.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56And you can't complain. It's all part of the job.
0:20:56 > 0:20:58You just smile and do your job and walk down the runway,
0:20:58 > 0:21:01gracefully as you can, you know? It's only for two minutes.
0:21:01 > 0:21:05- It's not going to hurt.- Do you still like the job?- Yeah. I do.
0:21:05 > 0:21:06I still like the job.
0:21:06 > 0:21:09Do you think it's harder for black girls
0:21:09 > 0:21:11to make it to the top in modelling?
0:21:11 > 0:21:15Um, yeah, it's getting better I think now,
0:21:15 > 0:21:19like, all over America, London, Paris, Milan.
0:21:19 > 0:21:24At first, I think it was a trend, and now I think in terms
0:21:24 > 0:21:27of, like, cosmetic contracts and stuff like that,
0:21:27 > 0:21:32they're trying to market ethnic women, which has taken a long time
0:21:32 > 0:21:37to happen, because usually, you can have, like, ten cosmetic contracts
0:21:37 > 0:21:40but not one of them are for ethnic women,
0:21:40 > 0:21:44and now, they're considering that and they're thinking that, well,
0:21:44 > 0:21:50yeah, a Japanese or Jamaican woman is going to want to buy this make-up
0:21:50 > 0:21:53so let's start making it. And marketing it, so...
0:21:53 > 0:21:55So, how did you get started? I mean...
0:21:55 > 0:21:58It's like a fairytale, but it's true.
0:21:58 > 0:22:00I was discovered hanging out in Covent Garden.
0:22:00 > 0:22:02I don't believe a word of it.
0:22:02 > 0:22:04Yep, I just didn't want to go home,
0:22:04 > 0:22:07and I was hanging out with my school friends.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10And a lady called Beth came up to me and gave me a card and said,
0:22:10 > 0:22:12"Do you want to be a model?" And I said, "Yeah."
0:22:12 > 0:22:15And I took the card and took it home to my mother
0:22:15 > 0:22:18and thought about it for a few days.
0:22:18 > 0:22:20Then went to see her and it started.
0:22:20 > 0:22:23You know, every young lady listening to this at home, most of them
0:22:23 > 0:22:26would want to be a model like you, enormously successful,
0:22:26 > 0:22:28and making a lot of money,
0:22:28 > 0:22:30they wouldn't believe that because it's
0:22:30 > 0:22:35so very hard to be discovered. It's like a Hollywood story, isn't it?
0:22:35 > 0:22:39I must ask your mother. Your mother is in the audience.
0:22:39 > 0:22:42Can we get a picture of your mum? Up there. Is this true?
0:22:42 > 0:22:46- Yes.- Yes, well, your mum says it's true, did she give you any advice?
0:22:46 > 0:22:47Um...
0:22:47 > 0:22:52Basically just, keep your feet on the ground
0:22:52 > 0:22:54and not get kind of too big-headed.
0:22:54 > 0:22:56Was she a showbiz mum?
0:22:56 > 0:22:58No, she wasn't a pushy stage mother,
0:22:58 > 0:23:02although I went to Italia Conti and Barbara Speake's. I wanted to do it.
0:23:02 > 0:23:07So I kind of said, "I want to go to dance, I want to go to act."
0:23:07 > 0:23:11- And she, like...- You would still like to act, would you?- Yeah, I would.
0:23:11 > 0:23:15I've been doing stuff in the Cosby Show and stuff like that.
0:23:15 > 0:23:16Stuff that's right.
0:23:16 > 0:23:20I wouldn't do a film or a television show that's not right,
0:23:20 > 0:23:23and expect the model to be, just, like, an airhead.
0:23:23 > 0:23:26Yeah, that's right, because models do have that image, don't they?
0:23:26 > 0:23:28Yeah, but I think not any more. I think it's changing
0:23:28 > 0:23:32and people are beginning to realise that we are intelligent, that we're
0:23:32 > 0:23:35businesswomen and we can take care of ourselves and our careers.
0:23:35 > 0:23:36And manage ourselves.
0:23:36 > 0:23:38What's the life expectancy of a model?
0:23:38 > 0:23:40I mean the professional life expectancy.
0:23:40 > 0:23:45I started at 15 and my agent says to me I could model till I'm 30.
0:23:45 > 0:23:48But I don't want to, 15 years is a long time.
0:23:48 > 0:23:50Although there are some that have.
0:23:50 > 0:23:52I'd like to do other things.
0:23:52 > 0:23:56Expand and change and try out different stuff.
0:23:56 > 0:23:58Is there a tacky side to it?
0:23:58 > 0:24:01Is there a side where you have to go to parties and be seen?
0:24:01 > 0:24:05No, you don't have to. I mean, I go out. I go out mainly to benefits.
0:24:05 > 0:24:07And every time people see me out and go,
0:24:07 > 0:24:09"You were partying last night",
0:24:09 > 0:24:11I'm like, "No, I wasn't, it was for a cause."
0:24:11 > 0:24:15But, no, you don't have to do what you don't want to do.
0:24:15 > 0:24:18I mean, if you can help, and if you get to a certain point
0:24:18 > 0:24:21and your name's out there, and you can help for a cause for Aids
0:24:21 > 0:24:24or for children, I think you should try and do so.
0:24:24 > 0:24:29Does... Do ordinary guys ever get to meet girls like you?
0:24:29 > 0:24:33- Yeah, I meet guys on the street every day!- Steady!
0:24:33 > 0:24:37- Just say hi, but...- You only say hello, yeah. And move on.
0:24:37 > 0:24:40But I mean, you know, there's lots of fellas would like to take
0:24:40 > 0:24:43you out. Do you only go out with Robert De Niro or Mike Tyson?
0:24:43 > 0:24:47I don't go out with Robert De Niro and Mike.
0:24:47 > 0:24:50Yeah, I did go out with Mike Tyson, but we're still, we're just friends,
0:24:50 > 0:24:52and, um...
0:24:52 > 0:24:56No, it just happens that it's the circle that you're in
0:24:56 > 0:24:59and you just meet these people.
0:24:59 > 0:25:02My first boyfriend was pretty normal
0:25:02 > 0:25:05and I don't have a preference of what kind of man I go out with,
0:25:05 > 0:25:08except if he has a good heart.
0:25:08 > 0:25:11Let's renew acquaintance with a child prodigy
0:25:11 > 0:25:13who came onto the Wogan show when she was just 13
0:25:13 > 0:25:16and treated us an extraordinary musical performance.
0:25:16 > 0:25:20The hugely talented Vanessa-Mae.
0:25:20 > 0:25:22APPLAUSE
0:29:14 > 0:29:15Oh, thank you.
0:29:16 > 0:29:18Come and join us.
0:29:25 > 0:29:28- But thank you for joining us. - Thanks a lot.- You're only 13.- Yeah!
0:29:28 > 0:29:32- And you've already mastered most of the great concertos.- Mm-hm.
0:29:32 > 0:29:34When did you start playing the violin?
0:29:34 > 0:29:36I started playing the violin when I was five,
0:29:36 > 0:29:39and also piano when I was five, but when I was eight,
0:29:39 > 0:29:42I really decided that I was going to pursue the violin as a career.
0:29:42 > 0:29:45And since then, since October, I mean,
0:29:45 > 0:29:48since when I was 11, it's been my career.
0:29:48 > 0:29:49But why did you decide to...
0:29:49 > 0:29:52I mean, you were, and probably still are, a very talented pianist.
0:29:52 > 0:29:56Why did you decide to pick up the fiddle?
0:29:56 > 0:29:58Because the fiddle is such a sweet instrument,
0:29:58 > 0:30:01and it's so small and it's so compact, that
0:30:01 > 0:30:04you just slip it on your chin, and it's just so affectionate.
0:30:04 > 0:30:07- It's an affectionate little thing. - Yeah!
0:30:07 > 0:30:10- Only four strings but it can produce such a wide range of tones.- Yeah.
0:30:10 > 0:30:12But it's murder when you're starting, I mean...
0:30:12 > 0:30:15- Yeah.- Cos my father tried to teach me the violin and...
0:30:15 > 0:30:18..really every cat in the neighbourhood...
0:30:18 > 0:30:21- LAUGHTER - ..were swarming round the door. But obviously not in your case,
0:30:21 > 0:30:26because you are a prodigy. I mean, do you like being called a prodigy?
0:30:26 > 0:30:29- Would you rather...? - Well, I don't mind, really.
0:30:29 > 0:30:32I just want to... I just want to love the violin for ever and ever.
0:30:33 > 0:30:36- Were you encouraged by your parents? - Well, since I was five
0:30:36 > 0:30:40I have always been going to operas and ballets and concerts,
0:30:40 > 0:30:43so probably that helped me develop a strong love for music.
0:30:43 > 0:30:45But they all played instruments so...
0:30:45 > 0:30:47- Yeah.- ..it helped.
0:30:47 > 0:30:48Did you train in this country?
0:30:48 > 0:30:51Yeah, well, I've lived here since I was three and my father's English,
0:30:51 > 0:30:55so I've been going to the Royal College of Music for...
0:30:55 > 0:30:56on a professionals...
0:30:56 > 0:30:57Sorry, diploma course.
0:30:57 > 0:31:01And when I was eight I went to China to study the violin.
0:31:01 > 0:31:03I was supposed to go for a few years but, actually,
0:31:03 > 0:31:04I just went for a few months.
0:31:04 > 0:31:07- Couldn't stick it, eh?- No, I...
0:31:07 > 0:31:11I completed the work in quite a short time, so it was lucky to get back.
0:31:11 > 0:31:14- LAUGHTER - You are now at the Royal College of Music.
0:31:14 > 0:31:16But you're not with people of your own age. You say
0:31:16 > 0:31:19- you're on what? A diploma course? - Yeah, a professional diploma course,
0:31:19 > 0:31:22and most of the people are about 18 or 21.
0:31:22 > 0:31:26But I enjoy being with people older than me and people my own age too.
0:31:26 > 0:31:29Yeah. But there won't be any people your own age there...
0:31:29 > 0:31:31- Not at the moment.- No.
0:31:31 > 0:31:33Is it a kind of a burden, do you feel?
0:31:33 > 0:31:36Do you feel that an awful lot's expected of you?
0:31:36 > 0:31:40Erm, no, I like to feel that a lot is expected of me,
0:31:40 > 0:31:42because I like to compete with myself
0:31:42 > 0:31:45and to make myself play better all the time.
0:31:45 > 0:31:48That's the great... Playing the violin, it's an art.
0:31:48 > 0:31:50- You can always change it the next day.- Yeah.
0:31:50 > 0:31:53I mean, it's been a tremendously successful year for you,
0:31:53 > 0:31:55travel all over the place... What was the...?
0:31:55 > 0:31:58Can you remember what was the best moment of the year for you has been?
0:31:58 > 0:32:01Well, I enjoyed my two recordings very much, my first two recordings.
0:32:01 > 0:32:03Especially the second one, where I had great fun.
0:32:03 > 0:32:06I composed and transcribed some of the works myself,
0:32:06 > 0:32:08some of the pop pieces.
0:32:08 > 0:32:11I transcribed One Moment In Time, which Whitney Houston sung,
0:32:11 > 0:32:14I transcribed. So that was great fun, that was the best.
0:32:14 > 0:32:17Yeah. You know what people always say about a young person like you
0:32:17 > 0:32:19with enormous talent and, indeed,
0:32:19 > 0:32:22genius mightn't be too strong a word...
0:32:22 > 0:32:24That you miss out on life a little bit,
0:32:24 > 0:32:27that you don't mix with people your own age...
0:32:27 > 0:32:29I don't feel so, because I love being with adults
0:32:29 > 0:32:32and, obviously, in this career you have to be with conductors
0:32:32 > 0:32:34and orchestras which are very much older than you.
0:32:34 > 0:32:37But I do get to school and be with people my own age
0:32:37 > 0:32:41- and chat about 13-year-old things. - Do you chat about pop? Pop music?
0:32:41 > 0:32:44Yeah, I love pop music too. But I mainly love Elvis Presley,
0:32:44 > 0:32:47especially Whitney Houston.
0:32:47 > 0:32:50I mean, there's another young man who's...
0:32:50 > 0:32:55He's no longer young but he's...he's young at heart, who was a bit of a prodigy when he was young -
0:32:55 > 0:32:58Nigel Kennedy. Now, do you follow Aston Villa...?
0:32:58 > 0:33:00LAUGHTER
0:33:00 > 0:33:02- I don't...- You'll have to pick a football team, you understand?
0:33:02 > 0:33:05I like tennis, I could pick tennis, maybe.
0:33:05 > 0:33:07But I don't know what he's doing nowadays but...
0:33:07 > 0:33:11but I know that what I'm doing is going to pop music a bit.
0:33:11 > 0:33:14But I don't think it's that original, because in the olden days
0:33:14 > 0:33:18Paganini - in his time, like one piece - La Campanella,
0:33:18 > 0:33:21that I recorded. It's meant to be a very popular, difficult tune,
0:33:21 > 0:33:24but at that time it was a pop-y tune of its day.
0:33:24 > 0:33:27So I think I'm following the tradition.
0:33:27 > 0:33:30But you know the way... I mean, Nigel is a genius as well,
0:33:30 > 0:33:32he plays brilliantly. But at least part of his popularity
0:33:32 > 0:33:35is due to the way he dresses and the way he talks. Erm...
0:33:36 > 0:33:39..and really, in a sense, you're in show business,
0:33:39 > 0:33:41- apart from anything else. - Yeah.
0:33:41 > 0:33:44Are you likely to dress in a more modern way.
0:33:44 > 0:33:46- You're dressed very modern now. - Yeah.- Yeah.
0:33:46 > 0:33:48I like to dress to suit the occasion.
0:33:48 > 0:33:50When I'm on a big stage with an orchestra,
0:33:50 > 0:33:52I like to wear a big ball dress.
0:33:52 > 0:33:55But this is just a fun chat with you so I can wear this.
0:33:55 > 0:33:58LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
0:34:02 > 0:34:05I think with that attitude you'll go far, basically.
0:34:05 > 0:34:06LAUGHTER
0:34:06 > 0:34:10Of course she did, while doing a bit of skiing in her spare time.
0:34:10 > 0:34:14Now, Paul Gascoigne - who, over the years, has been a gift to both
0:34:14 > 0:34:17football and the tabloid press.
0:34:17 > 0:34:21At the time, this was an entertaining encounter with the most famous
0:34:21 > 0:34:24and popular man in the country.
0:34:24 > 0:34:29Watching it again, and knowing how things turned out for dear Gazza,
0:34:29 > 0:34:32I must say, I'm left with a little sadness.
0:34:32 > 0:34:35You're in a position that most young men would say...
0:34:35 > 0:34:38is a dream...
0:34:38 > 0:34:42Erm, but...from my perspective, having experienced a tiny piece
0:34:42 > 0:34:45of the kind of attention you're getting -
0:34:45 > 0:34:48- it could turn out to be a nightmare, you know.- Could be.
0:34:48 > 0:34:51But I'm trying me best not to let it turn out that way, you know.
0:34:51 > 0:34:54When I get as famous as you, than maybe I'll start worrying, like.
0:34:54 > 0:34:56LAUGHTER
0:34:56 > 0:34:58You're more famous than anybody in the world.
0:34:58 > 0:35:00Now, it's eight weeks since the World Cup and we've seen
0:35:00 > 0:35:04what's happened outside the door here, and it's been raining as well.
0:35:04 > 0:35:09A huge crowd of the kind of people that only New Kids On The Block
0:35:09 > 0:35:13or, erm, you know, Michael Jackson gets.
0:35:13 > 0:35:16- They are weeny-boppers. - Young weeny-boppers.
0:35:16 > 0:35:19- I'm only a weeny-bopper myself. - I know you are.
0:35:19 > 0:35:21- LAUGHTER - But that's the thing, you have an appeal.
0:35:21 > 0:35:24But the thing is, your appeal is across the board.
0:35:24 > 0:35:27I mean... How did they smuggle you in here tonight?
0:35:27 > 0:35:30Like I said before, I hide in the boot of the car, you see.
0:35:30 > 0:35:32Get a little bit claustrophobic, but I'm all right.
0:35:32 > 0:35:36- Come out the boot and give them a wave.- Everybody is saying...
0:35:36 > 0:35:40The same newspapers that are building you to the skies
0:35:40 > 0:35:43and hyping you up, are also trying to give you advice
0:35:43 > 0:35:44and saying things...
0:35:44 > 0:35:47"Will this young man be able to handle all that attention?"
0:35:47 > 0:35:49Yeah, they're building me right up.
0:35:49 > 0:35:52It's unbelievable, I can't believe what's happening.
0:35:52 > 0:35:55They are at the end of me road, outside me house with cameras
0:35:55 > 0:35:57and everything.
0:35:57 > 0:36:00It's frightening, really, because all I want to do is live me own life.
0:36:00 > 0:36:02Is there a bit of you that enjoys it? There must be.
0:36:02 > 0:36:04There's a bit of all of us that wants attention.
0:36:04 > 0:36:07When I score a hat-trick on a Saturday, I love the attention then.
0:36:07 > 0:36:08LAUGHTER
0:36:08 > 0:36:11But all the scandal and all that, I don't...
0:36:11 > 0:36:13I hate it, I can't stand it, you know.
0:36:13 > 0:36:16So, what I've done, lately... I read the papers and I think,
0:36:16 > 0:36:19oh, no, someone's wrote this and someone's wrote this,
0:36:19 > 0:36:22I had a good game, I had a bad game, he's better than me... he's better than me(!) And...
0:36:22 > 0:36:24LAUGHTER
0:36:24 > 0:36:26I just don't let it affect us, to be fair.
0:36:26 > 0:36:28And what I've started doing now, and it's worked...
0:36:28 > 0:36:30Is...I don't read the papers.
0:36:30 > 0:36:31No.
0:36:31 > 0:36:33But you know, Sir John Gielgud used to say
0:36:33 > 0:36:35he never read any critiques of his acting.
0:36:35 > 0:36:38- He never read any.- Yeah. - So that means that...
0:36:38 > 0:36:41you're not going to be affected one way or the other.
0:36:41 > 0:36:44But it's very hard to run away from something like this.
0:36:44 > 0:36:48And as I say, as somebody in the media, you have all my sympathy.
0:36:48 > 0:36:51I'm delighted that you've had such enormous success
0:36:51 > 0:36:53- and long may it continue. - Cheers.
0:36:53 > 0:36:55But it's very hard to handle it, you know,
0:36:55 > 0:36:58particularly when you're only 23.
0:36:58 > 0:37:0023, I know. Yeah, it is hard to handle it.
0:37:00 > 0:37:02Like I said before, I can't believe it.
0:37:02 > 0:37:04From a lad who's just walked out of the social club...
0:37:04 > 0:37:08Dunston Excelsior, I'll just give it a little plug, if they're watching!
0:37:08 > 0:37:09LAUGHTER Hi, everyone!
0:37:09 > 0:37:13They're over there, give them a wave. Why not, for goodness' sake?
0:37:13 > 0:37:15That's the thing - while you're enjoying it,
0:37:15 > 0:37:17and while it's happening, do try and enjoy it,
0:37:17 > 0:37:20- try and fling yourself... - It's like everything else, Terry, isn't it?
0:37:20 > 0:37:22I mean, when things go well, you love it.
0:37:22 > 0:37:25And when things get bad, you get upset about it.
0:37:25 > 0:37:26Maybe, as you've seen before, I cry, don't I?
0:37:26 > 0:37:29Yeah, but that's all right. In a funny way, as I said in the introduction,
0:37:29 > 0:37:32and as Julie Wells said in The Times this morning,
0:37:32 > 0:37:34that's the secret of,
0:37:34 > 0:37:37of how you've gone to the heart of most people in this country -
0:37:37 > 0:37:41is that you were able to combine the qualities of courage
0:37:41 > 0:37:43and patriotism...
0:37:43 > 0:37:46and at the same time not to be afraid to cry.
0:37:46 > 0:37:49Yeah, that's right. It was just something that hit us, you know.
0:37:49 > 0:37:52I was leaving the World Cup, we weren't in the final,
0:37:52 > 0:37:54and I was leaving some fantastic supporters who were there.
0:37:54 > 0:37:56And it was fantastic.
0:37:56 > 0:37:58And after the game, I got back to the dressing room...
0:37:58 > 0:38:01And everyone was given towels to dry themselves and I was given
0:38:01 > 0:38:02a couple of Pampers.
0:38:02 > 0:38:05LAUGHTER
0:38:07 > 0:38:10A couple of diapers, a couple of Pampers and a dummy.
0:38:10 > 0:38:12"Cheers, lads(!)" Brilliant.
0:38:12 > 0:38:14The only thing, the only thing for you to do...
0:38:14 > 0:38:15because it's not going to go away.
0:38:15 > 0:38:16The thing is...
0:38:16 > 0:38:18I think you have to get ready for... Is what
0:38:18 > 0:38:20they call The Tall Poppy Syndrome,
0:38:20 > 0:38:23- what the Australians call The Tall Poppy Syndrome.- What's that?
0:38:23 > 0:38:26We have a tradition in this country, certainly among the press,
0:38:26 > 0:38:30that as soon as you become enormously successful...
0:38:30 > 0:38:32there reaches a point when they decide,
0:38:32 > 0:38:35"We're going to knock him off the parapet now."
0:38:35 > 0:38:37Oh, yeah. That's what I'm waiting for. I'm trying...
0:38:37 > 0:38:41I'm working so hard to behave myself and...
0:38:41 > 0:38:43be something I'm not. And the trouble is...
0:38:43 > 0:38:46- Well, it's very easy...- ..I'm just one of the lads, really, to be fair.
0:38:46 > 0:38:48- You don't want to behave yourself? - I enjoy myself.
0:38:48 > 0:38:50Of course I don't want to behave myself!
0:38:50 > 0:38:54Nah, I just want to be one of the lads. I want to stay one of the lads,
0:38:54 > 0:38:57and they're trying to make me not to be one of the lads, and I am.
0:38:57 > 0:38:59And it's great when I go back home and I see me mates,
0:38:59 > 0:39:02and we'll have a few drinks, like you, Terry, we get drunk.
0:39:02 > 0:39:03Yeah, all the time.
0:39:03 > 0:39:05LAUGHTER
0:39:05 > 0:39:08Continuously. And I wouldn't mind, only, you're supposed to be fit.
0:39:08 > 0:39:11Tell me this - this is the thing... You didn't score on Saturday,
0:39:11 > 0:39:14- it was nil all.- Yeah, I didn't score and I'm a bad player.
0:39:14 > 0:39:16You're supposed to be tired, somebody said you were tired,
0:39:16 > 0:39:19that all the attention had got to you and it was wearing you down all ready.
0:39:19 > 0:39:22Yeah, obviously... I haven't been sleeping well, Terry.
0:39:22 > 0:39:25I haven't been sleeping that well, at all. Don't know why. I just...
0:39:25 > 0:39:28LAUGHTER I just haven't been sleeping...
0:39:28 > 0:39:30So, erm...
0:39:30 > 0:39:32Lack of sleep, doing a lot of travelling and like you say,
0:39:32 > 0:39:36- stupid things like this, coming on a show like this...- I know. - LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
0:39:36 > 0:39:39I don't know how you could possibly...
0:39:39 > 0:39:41CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:39:43 > 0:39:45You are going to get a lot of attention.
0:39:45 > 0:39:48I mean, nearly everything's going to want to carry your name now, isn't it?
0:39:48 > 0:39:51Exactly, I mean...the good thing about coming on your show...
0:39:51 > 0:39:53not being... I just give it a bit of stick,
0:39:53 > 0:39:56but the good thing is everyone can see what's actually spoke, the truth.
0:39:56 > 0:39:59You've even been linked with people that you haven't...
0:39:59 > 0:40:01- probably ever met in your life. - Yeah.
0:40:01 > 0:40:03Cos there's going to be people who say,
0:40:03 > 0:40:06"Oh, I knew Paul Gascoigne." "Oh, I went to bed with Paul Gascoigne."
0:40:06 > 0:40:08- And they'll get 50,000 quid for saying that.- Yeah.
0:40:08 > 0:40:10You'll have to accept that that's going to happen.
0:40:10 > 0:40:14That's right. I wouldn't mind if they gave me half of it, that'd be great.
0:40:14 > 0:40:15LAUGHTER
0:40:15 > 0:40:17Then I can do what I want, Terry, to be fair.
0:40:17 > 0:40:20Yeah, and of course, the other thing you're going to get flung at you
0:40:20 > 0:40:22is all the money you make.
0:40:22 > 0:40:24- And I mean, have you got good advisers?- Yeah.
0:40:24 > 0:40:28Have you got people who will take care of you? You know the way you're always being compared...
0:40:28 > 0:40:31"George Best..." they say... "..look at..."
0:40:31 > 0:40:32LAUGHTER
0:40:32 > 0:40:33Yeah, that's right, I mean...
0:40:34 > 0:40:38I haven't got an agent, I don't want an agent.
0:40:38 > 0:40:40I have an accountant and a lawyer.
0:40:40 > 0:40:43Well, I don't know what advice you've got,
0:40:43 > 0:40:45but if I were you I'd make as much money as you possibly can.
0:40:45 > 0:40:48- As much as you? - No, nobody makes that.
0:40:48 > 0:40:51- If I get half as much as what you get Terry, I mean, I'll be sound. - But you see...
0:40:51 > 0:40:54LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
0:40:54 > 0:40:55..I'm an old man.
0:40:55 > 0:40:57It's all right...
0:40:58 > 0:41:01I was penniless when I was your age. And the thing is...
0:41:01 > 0:41:04if you make... Just make as much money as you can,
0:41:04 > 0:41:07- and then you'll be able to do whatever you like after that.- Yeah.
0:41:07 > 0:41:09- Exactly.- And just keep your head down for a few years...
0:41:09 > 0:41:13- So that they can't do an axe job on you.- Exactly.
0:41:13 > 0:41:16- You're going to make a record?- Yeah.
0:41:16 > 0:41:17AUDIENCE MEMBER WHOOPS
0:41:17 > 0:41:19LAUGHTER
0:41:19 > 0:41:21- It's Gazza Rap.- Gazza Rap.- No.
0:41:21 > 0:41:22Are you a good singer? Can we hear you sing?
0:41:22 > 0:41:26No, I'm not a very good singer. You might recall Geordie Boys, like.
0:41:26 > 0:41:30It's called Geordie Boys so you wouldn't, probably, understand it, that's the good thing about it.
0:41:30 > 0:41:33In fact, I've got the lyrics upstairs like...
0:41:35 > 0:41:36- It'll be OK, hopefully.- Yeah.
0:41:36 > 0:41:41- You've got a few buttons to make me voice sound great, won't they?- Yeah. - LAUGHTER
0:41:41 > 0:41:42It will be fantastic.
0:41:42 > 0:41:46- We look forward, we look forward to you having a wonderful season. - Cheers.
0:41:46 > 0:41:48AUDIENCE MEMBER: Come on...
0:41:48 > 0:41:52- I just hope that the tabloids will be kind.- So do I.
0:41:52 > 0:41:55I hope you'll be able to have a happy and enjoyable life,
0:41:55 > 0:41:58- and enjoy your fame...- Exactly. - ..and everything that goes with it.
0:41:58 > 0:42:00No problem. And enjoy my life myself, as well.
0:42:00 > 0:42:03- I'm sure... I hope you will. - Cheers, Terry.- Paul Gascoigne...
0:42:03 > 0:42:05CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:42:15 > 0:42:18And before I fold my tent and silently steal away,
0:42:18 > 0:42:20here's another little treat from the archive,
0:42:20 > 0:42:22to leave you with.
0:42:22 > 0:42:25When the Wogan show went to three live shows a week,
0:42:25 > 0:42:27some BBC bright spark
0:42:27 > 0:42:30decided to ask the nation's youth what they thought...
0:42:30 > 0:42:32of our hero.
0:42:32 > 0:42:35I think Terry Wogan's the boringest person on the television.
0:42:35 > 0:42:38He should never be on the television.
0:42:38 > 0:42:42Because he doesn't let anybody talk and he's always got to butt in.
0:42:42 > 0:42:46I think it's very good and he's got a very good personality.
0:42:46 > 0:42:47I really enjoy it.
0:42:47 > 0:42:51I don't mind some of the stars on it, but I don't like Terry Wogan himself,
0:42:51 > 0:42:53it's a wonder he hasn't cracked the camera yet.
0:42:53 > 0:42:54I think it's good and
0:42:54 > 0:42:57I like the people on it.
0:42:57 > 0:43:00Why are they putting his series on three times a week?
0:43:00 > 0:43:03I don't think they should put in on once a week, either.
0:43:03 > 0:43:05Well, the range of guests that he has on is very good,
0:43:05 > 0:43:07because there's one for everybody, really.
0:43:07 > 0:43:12Out of all the guests he has on, one of them you've got to like, really.
0:43:12 > 0:43:16- My mum don't watch it very often. - Why?
0:43:16 > 0:43:18She's always washing up.
0:43:19 > 0:43:21Out of the mouths of babes...
0:43:21 > 0:43:24Some of them, certainly, didn't pull any punches.
0:43:24 > 0:43:27I'm supposed to have no feelings, of course.
0:43:27 > 0:43:29I'll be heading off now, in a marked manner.
0:43:29 > 0:43:31So, until next time...
0:43:31 > 0:43:33I'll bid you farewell.