0:00:02 > 0:00:05- 'A show that went out three nights a week live...'- Mr Wogan? You're on.
0:00:05 > 0:00:07'..with a live audience
0:00:07 > 0:00:09'and everyone who was anyone dropping in -
0:00:09 > 0:00:13'the great and the good, the bad and the ugly - and they called it Wogan.
0:00:13 > 0:00:15'Ha! I never knew why.
0:00:15 > 0:00:17'So, if you're sitting comfortably,
0:00:17 > 0:00:20'I'll show you something I made earlier.'
0:00:20 > 0:00:23And God knows what they'll make of us in 25 years' time.
0:00:36 > 0:00:39Welcome to what I think will be a real beauty of a show,
0:00:39 > 0:00:42because today, we're looking at leading ladies
0:00:42 > 0:00:45from the worlds of both film and music.
0:00:45 > 0:00:48The line-up includes Diana Ross, Jodie Foster,
0:00:48 > 0:00:53Catherine Zeta-Jones, Celine Dion and Zsa Zsa Gabor.
0:00:53 > 0:00:56First, though, a woman who might just be
0:00:56 > 0:00:59the world's biggest star of the past few decades.
0:00:59 > 0:01:03Always controversial, constantly in the process of reinvention,
0:01:03 > 0:01:05it's Madonna.
0:01:05 > 0:01:10Dressed in what I think you'll agree is a rather wonderful shirt,
0:01:10 > 0:01:13I joined a queue of the world's press to meet her in Cannes,
0:01:13 > 0:01:15way back in 1991,
0:01:15 > 0:01:20when she was promoting her film called In Bed With...
0:01:20 > 0:01:21Who was it again?
0:01:21 > 0:01:24Much of your performance is tongue-in-cheek.
0:01:24 > 0:01:27How much if it's done...? Is it all done with a sense of humour?
0:01:27 > 0:01:30I think yeah, I do. I think it's, er...
0:01:30 > 0:01:35A lot of what I do is... Well, a sense of irony, you know.
0:01:35 > 0:01:40I think it's good to see someone, a performer, whatever, and say,
0:01:40 > 0:01:42"Now, does she mean that or doesn't she?" because...
0:01:42 > 0:01:44it makes you ask questions
0:01:44 > 0:01:48and it makes you see that there's two sides to every story
0:01:48 > 0:01:50and everything isn't cut and dried,
0:01:50 > 0:01:53everything isn't black and white, you know.
0:01:53 > 0:01:58So... And I think that I try to make that clear in my work,
0:01:58 > 0:02:02by being tongue-in-cheek, so...
0:02:02 > 0:02:04I never want to be taken completely seriously,
0:02:04 > 0:02:07I think that that's the death of anyone.
0:02:07 > 0:02:09Of course, but that is the problem, isn't it?
0:02:09 > 0:02:12That people think you mean it most of the time, don't they?
0:02:12 > 0:02:15- Do you mean everything you say? - I mean everything I say,
0:02:15 > 0:02:17but in terms of, like, my performance and stuff,
0:02:17 > 0:02:19I mean, certainly in my last show,
0:02:19 > 0:02:23much of what I did was tongue-in-cheek and, er,
0:02:23 > 0:02:25I mean, I'm being very sincere with you right now,
0:02:25 > 0:02:28but when I present a performance, for instance,
0:02:28 > 0:02:32and many times in my songs, there's a sense of irony that...that...
0:02:32 > 0:02:35Most intelligent people see it and the people that don't,
0:02:35 > 0:02:40well, they don't. I mean, everyone can't love everything that you do.
0:02:40 > 0:02:42You seem to lead from the front.
0:02:42 > 0:02:45Indeed, would you say that people are frightened of you?
0:02:45 > 0:02:50- Sometimes, yes.- What is it about you that frightens people?
0:02:50 > 0:02:56- My boldness, my... Because I'm very confrontational.- Yeah.- You know.
0:02:56 > 0:03:00And I...I think it's hard for people to hide from me, when they meet me.
0:03:00 > 0:03:02Are you frightened of anybody yourself?
0:03:04 > 0:03:07I suppose I have been, yeah.
0:03:07 > 0:03:10- Yeah. - What makes you nervous of people?
0:03:10 > 0:03:14I feel the most nervous around people who can't be honest with me,
0:03:14 > 0:03:18who can't look me in the eye, who are afraid of...
0:03:18 > 0:03:22of really presenting themselves to me, and being honest.
0:03:22 > 0:03:26Were you always powerful? Were you always confrontational?
0:03:26 > 0:03:29- Have you changed?- I don't know if I've always been powerful,
0:03:29 > 0:03:32but I certainly have always been confrontational, yes.
0:03:32 > 0:03:35- Do you like being powerful? Do you like power?- Who doesn't?
0:03:35 > 0:03:36Well, not everybody.
0:03:36 > 0:03:40- Really?- Do you like...?- Name one person who doesn't like power?
0:03:40 > 0:03:45- Not everybody wants to be famous. - No, it's not just fame. Power is...
0:03:45 > 0:03:48Anyone can have power. I mean, it's a...
0:03:48 > 0:03:50It's how you feel about yourself, it's how you carry yourself,
0:03:50 > 0:03:53it's the effect you have on people, it doesn't necessarily...
0:03:53 > 0:03:59It's not synonymous with fame and I think, um, that...
0:03:59 > 0:04:02I don't think you would find a human being on this earth
0:04:02 > 0:04:04that wasn't interested in power.
0:04:04 > 0:04:08- Yes, it's how you exercise it, of course, isn't it?- Yeah.
0:04:08 > 0:04:12- Do you think you exercise it properly?- Yes, I do. Yes.
0:04:12 > 0:04:16Is anybody likely to tell you to your face if you don't?
0:04:16 > 0:04:19There are many people who disagree with my opinions
0:04:19 > 0:04:22and my points of views and the way I live my life or carry on,
0:04:22 > 0:04:25and they're welcome to their opinions.
0:04:25 > 0:04:28But within your own circle, is there anybody who ever disagrees with you?
0:04:28 > 0:04:32- Yes.- What do you do to them? - What do I do to them?!- Yes.
0:04:32 > 0:04:35I have them sentenced to jail and I have their heads cut off!
0:04:35 > 0:04:39- HE LAUGHS - Yeah. But what I mean is do you welcome disagreement?- Yes.
0:04:39 > 0:04:41I absolutely insist on it, I don't want people,
0:04:41 > 0:04:44a bunch of people, you know...
0:04:44 > 0:04:46you know, running around kissing my ass all the time,
0:04:46 > 0:04:51I prefer people to, er, be really upfront and honest with me.
0:04:51 > 0:04:55I don't mind that, because it gives me a chance to explain,
0:04:55 > 0:04:59not only to them, but once again, myself, why I do the things I do.
0:04:59 > 0:05:01The thing that I notice - that everybody notices about you -
0:05:01 > 0:05:04so you'll excuse me if you've been asked this before.
0:05:04 > 0:05:08- You seem to reinvent yourself... - Mm-hm.- ..every few years.
0:05:08 > 0:05:10Is that a conscious thing or do you just get tired of yourself
0:05:10 > 0:05:13and say, "I want a new Madonna every couple of years?"
0:05:13 > 0:05:15Well, I don't think it's a question
0:05:15 > 0:05:19of getting tired with myself, but it's like, um...
0:05:19 > 0:05:23It's like, er... It's all different aspects of my personality
0:05:23 > 0:05:26and I just kind of get... I focus in on different
0:05:26 > 0:05:31aspects of my personality and I kind of...
0:05:31 > 0:05:34get very involved in it, you know, like, sometimes,
0:05:34 > 0:05:36I'll feel very vulnerable and that's how I'll appear.
0:05:36 > 0:05:39Sometimes, I'll feel very strong and that's how I'll appear.
0:05:39 > 0:05:41I don't think there's a big difference between what I do
0:05:41 > 0:05:43and what, say, Robert De Niro does,
0:05:43 > 0:05:45when he gets completely involved in a character
0:05:45 > 0:05:47and, for that six months or whatever,
0:05:47 > 0:05:50he walks around all day long with his, you know,
0:05:50 > 0:05:53weighing 40 pounds more than he does, with long hair or whatever,
0:05:53 > 0:05:58and he completely changes, you know, his appearance
0:05:58 > 0:06:00and, you know, obviously, he's searching out...
0:06:00 > 0:06:04I don't think an actor chooses to do roles in movies
0:06:04 > 0:06:08that he can't somehow relate to in some way, you know, um...
0:06:08 > 0:06:12so...in a way, I think it's very similar, you know,
0:06:12 > 0:06:15I'm just kind of acting out different parts of my personality.
0:06:17 > 0:06:20Like Madonna, Motown legend Diana Ross is a singer
0:06:20 > 0:06:23who's occasionally crossed over into the world of film.
0:06:23 > 0:06:26Now, I think that's all they got in common.
0:06:26 > 0:06:29There's also a reputation for both being massive divas.
0:06:29 > 0:06:33Well, we never tolerated that sort of behaviour on Wogan!
0:06:33 > 0:06:37And, to be fair to Diana, she was sweetness itself when she visited.
0:06:37 > 0:06:39She was marking 30 years in showbiz
0:06:39 > 0:06:43and had just released her 58th album!
0:06:43 > 0:06:47And I just wanted to know... what kept her hanging on?!
0:06:47 > 0:06:50I just wondered why you want to continue doing it.
0:06:50 > 0:06:55You can't need the money. Is it that urge to perform?
0:06:55 > 0:06:57Is it the roar of the greasepaint?
0:06:57 > 0:07:01Oh, roar? Well... Um, I really do enjoy the work,
0:07:01 > 0:07:04I really probably should stay at home and be with my kids more.
0:07:04 > 0:07:07I like to be on the stage and, um, I think
0:07:07 > 0:07:09next year I'll probably slow down a bit.
0:07:09 > 0:07:12But I had decided that my kids are little right now,
0:07:12 > 0:07:14so I thought, maybe this next two years, I would work really hard
0:07:14 > 0:07:19and travel around and see everyone and then maybe I'd slow up a bit.
0:07:19 > 0:07:21- Is it...? - But I really do like to perform
0:07:21 > 0:07:25and I like to be on the stage and it's, um, I think it's, er...
0:07:25 > 0:07:28It really is healthy somehow.
0:07:28 > 0:07:30It really is quite a healthy experience.
0:07:30 > 0:07:33You get a chance to perform and sing and let go of a lot of emotions and
0:07:33 > 0:07:37somehow it keeps me kind of quiet and at peace with my life somehow.
0:07:37 > 0:07:41- Yeah.- Also, it's a gift, I have never studied singing and, er,
0:07:41 > 0:07:44it's a wonderful work and a wonderful pay.
0:07:44 > 0:07:47- Yeah, the money's good.- Yes, it's very nice. When it works, it's nice.
0:07:47 > 0:07:50But you miss your children. Do you take any of them with you?
0:07:50 > 0:07:53- I have the little ones with me all the time.- The little ones?
0:07:53 > 0:07:55- How old are they now? - Three and four.
0:07:55 > 0:07:58And then I have a 16-year-old, a 19-year-old and 20-year-old
0:07:58 > 0:08:01and the two older ones are in college and, er,
0:08:01 > 0:08:04so it's easier to leave them, cos they've left me already,
0:08:04 > 0:08:07but the boys travel with me for now, but next year, Ross should be
0:08:07 > 0:08:11in kindergarten and I think that we won't travel as much then.
0:08:11 > 0:08:13Yes, it's hard to imagine you're the mother of five children.
0:08:13 > 0:08:17- Well, thank you!- And aged from 20 to three!- Yeah, yeah.
0:08:17 > 0:08:20Did you get to spend as much time as you'd like with your older children?
0:08:20 > 0:08:23Yes, um, the lucky part with them is, er,
0:08:23 > 0:08:26I was able to travel in the early days with them as well and then,
0:08:26 > 0:08:28when they started school, my mom was there with them,
0:08:28 > 0:08:31so I kind of commuted back and forth, but my mother was there.
0:08:31 > 0:08:34- So it kept in balance in your life? - Yes, it really did.
0:08:34 > 0:08:37- You are seen as a tough businessperson.- Am I?
0:08:37 > 0:08:39Well, do you see yourself as that?
0:08:39 > 0:08:42Um, no, I don't think I'm a tough businessperson.
0:08:42 > 0:08:45I'm a perfectionist and I like...I have...
0:08:45 > 0:08:48- Are you tough to work for? - I don't think so.
0:08:48 > 0:08:51- I don't really.- Ruthless? - SHE LAUGHS No! No!
0:08:51 > 0:08:53- I don't think so.- Demanding?
0:08:53 > 0:08:56I have a lot... My husband says, "You have a lot on your plate."
0:08:56 > 0:08:59I have a lot that I do and, in a sense, that means that you have
0:08:59 > 0:09:03to really stay on purpose all the time and I want very much to not
0:09:03 > 0:09:07ignore my children and I want to be there and I want to see everything,
0:09:07 > 0:09:10so, in a sense, I don't have a lot of time for a lot of nonsense.
0:09:10 > 0:09:13- I really have time for being on purpose...- You've never had time
0:09:13 > 0:09:15for the nonsense of your business?
0:09:15 > 0:09:17No, I think there IS a lot of nonsense in our business.
0:09:17 > 0:09:19- The drugs and the drink and the rock and roll?- No.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22- Drugs, drink and rock and roll! - And the sex?
0:09:22 > 0:09:24Oh! That's a good one! No!
0:09:24 > 0:09:27LAUGHTER Only if you're married!
0:09:27 > 0:09:28- APPLAUSE - Yes!
0:09:28 > 0:09:30Well, that's how I got five kids!
0:09:30 > 0:09:32Yeah, well, it had to happen somehow!
0:09:32 > 0:09:35Now, you signed to Motown in 1961.
0:09:35 > 0:09:38- Yes.- And among your contemporaries were people like
0:09:38 > 0:09:41- Stevie Wonder, The Four Tops.- Yes. - You've all done concerts recently.
0:09:41 > 0:09:45What do you think is the reason for the longevity, the great success,
0:09:45 > 0:09:49of people like you and Lionel Richie, Four Tops, those people?
0:09:49 > 0:09:52Well, er, I think the songs from the early days, it was the music
0:09:52 > 0:09:55and the kind of music, it kind of really touched the heart,
0:09:55 > 0:09:56and it was a lot of love songs.
0:09:56 > 0:10:00I have so many love songs in my group of songs that I have
0:10:00 > 0:10:02and I think the songwriters kind of wrote songs
0:10:02 > 0:10:04that people could really identify with.
0:10:04 > 0:10:07They weren't abstract songs, they were really kind of special,
0:10:07 > 0:10:12very simplicity in nature, and I think that melody and that rhythm is
0:10:12 > 0:10:15just really just coming back around, people just still like the music.
0:10:15 > 0:10:17I look into my audiences and there's young kids
0:10:17 > 0:10:20that still know the words to all the old songs.
0:10:20 > 0:10:23- Yeah.- So I think the Motown sound really made a mark in the business.
0:10:23 > 0:10:26- And, of course, Berry Gordy was very careful of his artists.- Yes.
0:10:26 > 0:10:28- He taught you everything? - He was really, um,
0:10:28 > 0:10:31I don't think they have those kind of mentors any more for performers,
0:10:31 > 0:10:34someone who really takes the time with their career.
0:10:34 > 0:10:38It was more a performer development and artist development,
0:10:38 > 0:10:42caring about their appearance, caring about their home life,
0:10:42 > 0:10:45caring about just all the parts of their life, it wasn't just
0:10:45 > 0:10:48about going into the studio and making a record and selling records.
0:10:48 > 0:10:52They were really concerned about us as people and building human beings.
0:10:52 > 0:10:55And in that perfection of his, I think I caught a lot of that,
0:10:55 > 0:11:00because, in a sense, I see that there's a way to have things really,
0:11:00 > 0:11:03um, really right and maybe that's the reason why that it has been...
0:11:03 > 0:11:06Next year's my 30th year anniversary, so,
0:11:06 > 0:11:11maybe in trying to be... have it correct, you know,
0:11:11 > 0:11:17that it gives you some legs in the business and you don't have time...
0:11:17 > 0:11:20We were nurtured, we had chaperones for years.
0:11:20 > 0:11:22- You're off to appear at Wembley. - Yes. Tonight is...
0:11:22 > 0:11:26- Monday night is our last night, yes. - Any more concerts in the UK?
0:11:26 > 0:11:29Um, I do think we have one more, in Scotland, er...
0:11:29 > 0:11:31- You've got a husband in the UK, of course.- Yeah!
0:11:31 > 0:11:35So does that mean that you sneak over here more often than we think?
0:11:35 > 0:11:37I'm over here a lot, I am over here a lot,
0:11:37 > 0:11:39and, er, yes, he has his business here
0:11:39 > 0:11:42and he works here, um, so I'm over here quite a bit.
0:11:42 > 0:11:45- We're doing this. - The secret of a happy marriage -
0:11:45 > 0:11:47distance lending enchantment, is it?
0:11:47 > 0:11:50Well, actually, the song I'm going to do for you now, my new release,
0:11:50 > 0:11:53er, to me, if you take a listen to the words,
0:11:53 > 0:11:57it's really about my relationship with my husband and my children.
0:11:57 > 0:12:00- They're a very, very special part of my life.- Let's hear it, then.- OK.
0:12:00 > 0:12:03- Thank you for joining us.- Thanks a lot.- Diana Ross, thank you.
0:12:03 > 0:12:05APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
0:12:10 > 0:12:12MUSIC STARTS
0:12:20 > 0:12:24# Tell me who, what, when
0:12:24 > 0:12:28# Where did it start?
0:12:31 > 0:12:33# Tell me when, where
0:12:33 > 0:12:40# How did you get in my heart?
0:12:42 > 0:12:47# I feel your love washing over me
0:12:47 > 0:12:51# In waves of emotion so strong
0:12:53 > 0:12:57# I want to say while I've got the chance
0:12:57 > 0:13:01# In the words of this song
0:13:03 > 0:13:10# You're my...one... shining moment
0:13:13 > 0:13:22# You are...all my dreams come true
0:13:23 > 0:13:26# Honey, you're my...
0:13:26 > 0:13:33# One shining moment!
0:13:33 > 0:13:37# And if I never have another
0:13:37 > 0:13:41# I'm glad that I've known you
0:13:45 > 0:13:48# You fill up for me
0:13:48 > 0:13:53# All the empty spaces
0:13:56 > 0:14:00# All the pain I've ever felt
0:14:00 > 0:14:04# You've erased it
0:14:07 > 0:14:09# Is it any wonder?
0:14:09 > 0:14:12# No way
0:14:12 > 0:14:17- # That I'm growing fonder every day!- Every day!
0:14:17 > 0:14:22# There's a freedom that I never knew
0:14:22 > 0:14:27# And it's all because of you
0:14:27 > 0:14:34# Honey, you're my... one...shining moment
0:14:38 > 0:14:47# You are all... all my dreams come true
0:14:47 > 0:14:58# Honey, you're... my one shining moment!
0:14:58 > 0:15:02# And if I never have another
0:15:02 > 0:15:06# I'm glad that I've known you
0:15:10 > 0:15:15# I wake up with you on my mind
0:15:15 > 0:15:20# You light up my day
0:15:20 > 0:15:25# There is nothing better I can find
0:15:25 > 0:15:30# Oh, my love, I'm so proud
0:15:30 > 0:15:33# That I can say, hey!
0:15:33 > 0:15:40- # You're my...one...- Ooh-ooh! Ooh-ooh!- ..shining moment
0:15:40 > 0:15:44# Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
0:15:44 > 0:15:53- # You are...all my dreams come true - Wrapped into one under the sun
0:15:53 > 0:16:03# Honey, you're... my one shining moment!
0:16:03 > 0:16:08# And if I never have another
0:16:08 > 0:16:13- # I'm glad that I've known you - If I never have another
0:16:13 > 0:16:18- # I'm glad that I've known you - If I never have another
0:16:18 > 0:16:21# I'm glad that I've known you
0:16:21 > 0:16:25- # You're my...one... - Shine, shine, shine!
0:16:25 > 0:16:28- # Shining moment - Shining!
0:16:31 > 0:16:36- # You're my...one... - You...you...
0:16:36 > 0:16:38# Shining moment. #
0:16:43 > 0:16:46MUSIC STOPS, APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
0:16:53 > 0:16:57Now, Jodie Foster, a fine actress who'll be for ever associated
0:16:57 > 0:17:00with a film that scared the living daylights
0:17:00 > 0:17:03out of everyone who saw it, and I'm not talking about Bugsy Malone!
0:17:03 > 0:17:06It was The Silence Of The Lambs, of course,
0:17:06 > 0:17:10for which her role as FBI agent Clarice Starling
0:17:10 > 0:17:14earned her an Academy Award for Best Actress.
0:17:14 > 0:17:18Jodie, do you find it unusual to have 200-300 people applauding you
0:17:18 > 0:17:20from a distance of about 3,000 miles?
0:17:21 > 0:17:24Er, yeah, especially since I sort of hear them out of sync,
0:17:24 > 0:17:27so I see your mouth move and then you talk a little while later.
0:17:27 > 0:17:29It's good! It's funny! It's a very, very, um,
0:17:29 > 0:17:32- charming prospective. - Well, you're perfectly synchronised
0:17:32 > 0:17:34- from where we're sitting. Now...- Oh, well, that's good!
0:17:34 > 0:17:38You don't...you don't go for - or it doesn't seem to me anyway -
0:17:38 > 0:17:42that you go for glamour girl roles. Is that a deliberate process?
0:17:42 > 0:17:44That you go for controversial roles?
0:17:46 > 0:17:48Well, I don't really think that I kind of go for anything.
0:17:48 > 0:17:52I mean, that's... Gee, I don't know, I mean, I think I'm less concerned
0:17:52 > 0:17:55with my image than I am making good stories and good films
0:17:55 > 0:17:58and that the one thing that's always been a strain through my films is
0:17:58 > 0:18:02I've chosen the story above anything else, sometimes above the character.
0:18:02 > 0:18:05Sometimes I play characters, er, that aren't as flashy,
0:18:05 > 0:18:08for example, but that, er, that tell the story in a way that's, er,
0:18:08 > 0:18:11probably a controversial and more dramatic story
0:18:11 > 0:18:12which I always find interesting.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15Tell me about this particular role as an FBI agent.
0:18:15 > 0:18:17Did you pick that for the...for the writing
0:18:17 > 0:18:20or did you pick it for the nature of the role?
0:18:20 > 0:18:23Er, well, actually, I was a big fan of the book and, um,
0:18:23 > 0:18:26I had been following the book for a long time and sort of found out
0:18:26 > 0:18:29which writer was doing it and so I had been in contact
0:18:29 > 0:18:32with it for a long time before the film was set up, so I knew about it.
0:18:32 > 0:18:36It was really the story I think that I was most caught up with.
0:18:36 > 0:18:40It's made a great number of waves in America, this particular movie.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43- It's good to see our Anthony Hopkins do so well in the role.- Yes.
0:18:43 > 0:18:47It's a very terrifying film, he plays Hannibal The Cannibal,
0:18:47 > 0:18:50who in fact...eats people.
0:18:50 > 0:18:53- I mean...- Er, not on screen.
0:18:53 > 0:18:54- SHE LAUGHS - No, not on screen.
0:18:54 > 0:18:58- But he does like a little liver and stuff like that and, I mean...- Yes.
0:18:58 > 0:19:01Do you think - probably not from your own personal experience -
0:19:01 > 0:19:03but from your research into this, which I know was considerable,
0:19:03 > 0:19:05do you think there are people like him around?
0:19:07 > 0:19:08Er, there's no question of it.
0:19:08 > 0:19:12I mean, the character was composed of a number of different, er, profiles
0:19:12 > 0:19:16of different, um, historical killers, you know, that had been out there.
0:19:16 > 0:19:19There is a pattern and there are motives and one of the things
0:19:19 > 0:19:21I think that is probably one of the most contributing factors,
0:19:21 > 0:19:25and definitely is the one thing that they all have in common, is that, er,
0:19:25 > 0:19:29they've endured some kind of abuse as children, so, er...
0:19:29 > 0:19:31That's the one thing that every serial killer,
0:19:31 > 0:19:33almost every serial killer, has in common.
0:19:33 > 0:19:37We'll ask you about your childhood a little bit later.
0:19:37 > 0:19:38SHE LAUGHS OK!
0:19:38 > 0:19:41What do you think the public fascination,
0:19:41 > 0:19:45particularly American public fascination, is with serial killers?
0:19:47 > 0:19:51Well, um, irrational motives and I think, er,
0:19:51 > 0:19:54that kind of darkness of picking out somebody randomly
0:19:54 > 0:19:57and, er, not for any reason except for the glorification of violence
0:19:57 > 0:20:00and for enjoying the fact of violence and having violence be your way
0:20:00 > 0:20:04of coping with life, or your way of, er, expressing yourself, ultimately,
0:20:04 > 0:20:06and that's something that I think people find
0:20:06 > 0:20:09- a very horrifying principle, as they should.- Yeah.
0:20:09 > 0:20:11But when you make a film like this -
0:20:11 > 0:20:13I'm not suggesting that you made the film -
0:20:13 > 0:20:16- but I mean, when a film like this is made...- Yes.
0:20:16 > 0:20:19..there's a lot of loonies out there and aren't they likely to look at it
0:20:19 > 0:20:22and say, "There's a good idea, I'll go and kill a few hundred people
0:20:22 > 0:20:26- "and have a movie made of my life and die happy"?- Well..."
0:20:26 > 0:20:30The truth about dramas is that, er, like anything else,
0:20:30 > 0:20:32you can take a two-by-four and you can build a building
0:20:32 > 0:20:34or hit somebody over the head with it
0:20:34 > 0:20:36and there are two things you can do with pieces of information.
0:20:36 > 0:20:39You can use them to construct things and to change things,
0:20:39 > 0:20:42and I think our film is responsible and deals with the subject
0:20:42 > 0:20:45in a very frank and... and very, er, responsible way
0:20:45 > 0:20:48or you can, you know, obviously use any piece of information
0:20:48 > 0:20:51to stimulate anything that you want. You could see that about the news
0:20:51 > 0:20:53and, er, information is always good
0:20:53 > 0:20:56and I certainly will never believe in censoring information.
0:20:56 > 0:20:59Your mother guided your career from your very early days.
0:20:59 > 0:21:00- Yes.- Does she still do that?
0:21:00 > 0:21:04Does she still dictate to you? Or do you dictate to her more?
0:21:04 > 0:21:08Um... "Dictate"? No, probably neither one of those, but, er, yeah,
0:21:08 > 0:21:10She was very involved at a young age, which is understandable,
0:21:10 > 0:21:13since I was three when I started, and needed someone taking care of me
0:21:13 > 0:21:16and ultimately looking after me, to make sure that the sharks didn't
0:21:16 > 0:21:20devour me, which I think was much more her function, and rightfully so.
0:21:20 > 0:21:24And then, The Accused came along and you won, three years ago,
0:21:24 > 0:21:27- you actually won...- Yes. - You won the Oscar for that.
0:21:27 > 0:21:30- SHE LAUGHS Yeah, I did!- Yeah. I thought you might have forgotten.
0:21:30 > 0:21:32- But I mean...- No, no! It always makes me laugh!
0:21:32 > 0:21:36- Every time I think of that, it just makes me laugh.- Was it a big night?
0:21:36 > 0:21:37You were drunk?
0:21:37 > 0:21:41No, I wasn't drunk! I had fun! It was a blast! I, er...can't...
0:21:41 > 0:21:43It was like being on a ride at Disneyland or something.
0:21:43 > 0:21:46It was just I kept getting, you know, moved somewhere else
0:21:46 > 0:21:48and then, this would happen, and that would happen, it was, er,
0:21:48 > 0:21:51a little bit unreal, I couldn't stop laughing.
0:21:51 > 0:21:54Yeah, it was like winning the lottery or something.
0:21:54 > 0:21:57Now, just a month before that encounter with Jodie,
0:21:57 > 0:22:02I interviewed another actress who would go on to find Oscar glory.
0:22:02 > 0:22:03At the time, Catherine Zeta-Jones
0:22:03 > 0:22:06was getting her first real taste of fame,
0:22:06 > 0:22:09in the much-loved TV series The Darling Buds Of May.
0:22:09 > 0:22:13It was clear, even back then, just where her ambitions lay.
0:22:13 > 0:22:16- Zeta?- Zeta. - It's a silly name, isn't it, Zeta?
0:22:16 > 0:22:19What do you mean it's a silly name? It's my grandmother's name.
0:22:19 > 0:22:22- Was she Greek?- No, she wasn't Greek, but it's a Greek name,
0:22:22 > 0:22:25and it's named supposedly, from what my grandmother tells me,
0:22:25 > 0:22:29it's named after a battleship that, um, went round the Cape Horn,
0:22:29 > 0:22:32but my grandmother's a great drama queen, so, whether that story
0:22:32 > 0:22:35is true or not, I don't know, but it's my story, so I'm sticking to it.
0:22:35 > 0:22:38You haven't found... Excuse me. You haven't found it held you back?
0:22:38 > 0:22:39Having a Zeta in there?
0:22:39 > 0:22:42Well, it is a bit long, but I was christened Catherine Zeta-Jones.
0:22:42 > 0:22:45My other grandmother's called Catherine, so I thought,
0:22:45 > 0:22:46well, it's my name, so let's use it.
0:22:46 > 0:22:49- Now, your picture is everywhere at the moment.- Yeah.
0:22:49 > 0:22:54Fame has kind of arrived in a burst over the last two weeks.
0:22:54 > 0:22:57You've been called a sex kitten, a darling bud of May.
0:22:57 > 0:23:01Do you find...? How do you find coping with the sudden interest?
0:23:01 > 0:23:03Well, I think you have to put it in perspective, really,
0:23:03 > 0:23:07and realise that I'm here to do a job that I love
0:23:07 > 0:23:11- and, in doing that job, other things come into it.- Yes.
0:23:11 > 0:23:14And you need it, in a way, but it becomes a hassle if you want
0:23:14 > 0:23:19to continue in a career, but I'm just putting it, you know, to myself,
0:23:19 > 0:23:23to say that that's part of the job and take it with a piece of salt.
0:23:23 > 0:23:25- SHE GIGGLES Eat it!- Yes, but it must be good.
0:23:25 > 0:23:28Are there a lot of offers flying in? Any interesting offers?
0:23:28 > 0:23:32Well, I'm booked to do the second series of Darling Buds Of May,
0:23:32 > 0:23:35so that takes me up to near the end of the year,
0:23:35 > 0:23:38but, um, I've got some personal things that I want to do,
0:23:38 > 0:23:41I want to be singing again, cos that's how I started off,
0:23:41 > 0:23:43and so I need to have some time to concentrate,
0:23:43 > 0:23:47get my energies in that direction, and also I'd love to do another film.
0:23:47 > 0:23:51Is it a tough business? Do you have to be tough to survive?
0:23:51 > 0:23:54Well, I've been in it for quite a while. I did theatre for a long time.
0:23:54 > 0:23:59I did musical comedy, and, um, that's a very hard business to go into,
0:23:59 > 0:24:00because it's dog-eat-dog, you know,
0:24:00 > 0:24:03I went into 42nd Street as a chorus girl
0:24:03 > 0:24:06and, you know, you're there with a thousand other chorus girls
0:24:06 > 0:24:07waiting to get a job and it's hard.
0:24:07 > 0:24:09How young were you when you started?
0:24:09 > 0:24:12I was, er...I did Annie and Bugsy Malone as a child.
0:24:12 > 0:24:15When I was 16, I left school to go to get my Equity card,
0:24:15 > 0:24:17which was the most important thing for me at that time.
0:24:17 > 0:24:20And were you encouraged into this by your family? Was there anybody
0:24:20 > 0:24:23- in the family...- No.- ..who was a dancer or an actor?- Nobody.
0:24:23 > 0:24:26- How did you get that into your head? - It's just an ambition I always had.
0:24:26 > 0:24:29I went to dancing class, I was interested in youth drama,
0:24:29 > 0:24:32and I wanted to do all these things, and I had a chance to do that
0:24:32 > 0:24:36when I left school to get my Equity card, and so I bashed into it.
0:24:36 > 0:24:39- You got a good break with 42nd Street, didn't you?- Uh-huh, yeah.
0:24:39 > 0:24:42That kind of... I was a chorus girl and I took over then the lead,
0:24:42 > 0:24:45- so that springboarded me. - You were the second understudy?
0:24:45 > 0:24:48Uh-huh. I was second understudy and then the girl hurt her knee
0:24:48 > 0:24:52and I took over and, within 40-45 minutes' notice,
0:24:52 > 0:24:56I was thrown on to do the show, but, um, it was difficult to get,
0:24:56 > 0:25:00not difficult, but I wanted to get out of that musical comedy actress
0:25:00 > 0:25:02for a while and try and work on the straight side of it.
0:25:02 > 0:25:04Well, it's difficult to make a living,
0:25:04 > 0:25:07- as every actor and actress who comes on says.- Mm-hm. Yeah.
0:25:07 > 0:25:11- But you, you then got into European films.- Yeah.- How did that happen?
0:25:11 > 0:25:13How did you make that one bound from 42nd Street into that?
0:25:13 > 0:25:18Well, I went for loads of interviews over here in England and, um, I...
0:25:18 > 0:25:21I hate to say it, but I felt that they weren't taking me seriously
0:25:21 > 0:25:24as a straight actress and so I went for this movie,
0:25:24 > 0:25:26it was a comedy fantasy film based on Arabian Nights,
0:25:26 > 0:25:30and it was to play Scheherazade, and I went for numerous screen tests,
0:25:30 > 0:25:32because the producer said, "No, no, she's an English girl!
0:25:32 > 0:25:37"She can't do a French film!" And so, I went to do this and, um,
0:25:37 > 0:25:40it was four months in the African desert shooting it and it was, er,
0:25:40 > 0:25:43it was great and I learnt so much about making films
0:25:43 > 0:25:47and the different discipline and the different technique
0:25:47 > 0:25:50of working for a camera on that film, it was wonderful.
0:25:50 > 0:25:55How is it that you had to go to Europe to get a break in films?
0:25:55 > 0:25:58Normally, people go to Hollywood or see if they can get a chance here.
0:25:58 > 0:26:01Well, the French director came over here to find a star
0:26:01 > 0:26:04and I went for the casting director and he - to the casting - and he was
0:26:04 > 0:26:08interested in me immediately and I kept saying, "But I'm not a star,"
0:26:08 > 0:26:11cos he didn't know, and he said, "You were in 42nd Street," but I said,
0:26:11 > 0:26:13"But I'm not a name, you know, people don't know me over here,"
0:26:13 > 0:26:16and he wanted somebody to come from England, cos he respects
0:26:16 > 0:26:20English actors and actresses very much and so, the producer,
0:26:20 > 0:26:24as I said, was completely adamant not to have an English unknown actress,
0:26:24 > 0:26:26but he pushed and he pushed and he pushed
0:26:26 > 0:26:29and I eventually got the part and it was very strange,
0:26:29 > 0:26:33after doing one role like that, you get, you know,
0:26:33 > 0:26:37you get taken seriously, people will, will put that
0:26:37 > 0:26:42financial, you know, grab on you, that it's not a big financial...
0:26:42 > 0:26:45So many films, there's so much money in them, they can't take the chance
0:26:45 > 0:26:48- of somebody who's not going to come up with the goods.- Yeah.
0:26:48 > 0:26:51Why don't we enjoy some more music now with Celine Dion, who's enjoyed
0:26:51 > 0:26:54phenomenal international success over the years.
0:26:54 > 0:26:59She first assailed our ears at a Eurovision Song Contest and now,
0:26:59 > 0:27:01she has her own stage in Las Vegas.
0:27:01 > 0:27:06Obviously, an early performance here, accompanied by Peabo Bryson.
0:27:06 > 0:27:08It's Beauty And The Beast.
0:27:12 > 0:27:18# Tale as old as time
0:27:18 > 0:27:23# True as it can be
0:27:25 > 0:27:28# Barely even friends
0:27:28 > 0:27:31# Then somebody bends
0:27:31 > 0:27:35# Unexpectedly
0:27:37 > 0:27:41# Just a little change
0:27:43 > 0:27:47# Small, to say the least
0:27:47 > 0:27:49# Both a little scared
0:27:49 > 0:27:53# Neither one prepared
0:27:53 > 0:27:58BOTH: # Beauty and the Beast
0:27:59 > 0:28:04# Ever just the same
0:28:05 > 0:28:10# Ever a surprise
0:28:11 > 0:28:14# Ever as before
0:28:14 > 0:28:17# And ever just as sure
0:28:17 > 0:28:22# As the sun will rise
0:28:22 > 0:28:25# Whoa! Whoa! Whoo!
0:28:25 > 0:28:28# Whoo! Whoo! Whoa-oh!
0:28:38 > 0:28:42# Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
0:28:44 > 0:28:48# Hmm, ooh, whoa, whoa-oh!
0:28:48 > 0:28:55# Ever just the same
0:28:55 > 0:29:01# And ever a surprise
0:29:01 > 0:29:04# Ever as before
0:29:04 > 0:29:07# And ever just as sure
0:29:07 > 0:29:11# As the sun will rise
0:29:11 > 0:29:14# Oh! Oh!
0:29:14 > 0:29:15# Oh!
0:29:17 > 0:29:23- # Tale as old as time - Ooh, ooh, ooh!
0:29:23 > 0:29:29# Tune as old as song
0:29:29 > 0:29:32# Bittersweet and strange
0:29:32 > 0:29:35# Finding you can change
0:29:35 > 0:29:41# Learning you were wrong
0:29:41 > 0:29:45# Certain as the sun
0:29:45 > 0:29:48# Certain as the sun
0:29:48 > 0:29:51# Rising in the east
0:29:51 > 0:29:54# Tale as old as time
0:29:54 > 0:29:57# Song as old as rhyme
0:29:57 > 0:30:03# Beauty and the Beast
0:30:03 > 0:30:06# Tale as old as time
0:30:06 > 0:30:10# Song as old as rhyme
0:30:10 > 0:30:20# Beauty and the...Beast. #
0:30:20 > 0:30:24APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
0:30:29 > 0:30:33Now join me in a fascinating look back at child stars who once trod
0:30:33 > 0:30:36an all too familiar path - early fame,
0:30:36 > 0:30:40going off the rails, struggling with drink and drugs.
0:30:40 > 0:30:42Macauley Culkin springs to mind.
0:30:42 > 0:30:44But when a young Drew Barrymore came on the show,
0:30:44 > 0:30:47she seemed to be getting her life back together.
0:30:47 > 0:30:50A relief for everyone who'd fallen for her cute appeal
0:30:50 > 0:30:55in Steven Spielberg's classic film ET.
0:30:55 > 0:30:58- It's nine years since you made that. - Yeah, nearly ten years.
0:30:58 > 0:31:02Do you still look back on that as a happy time of your life?
0:31:02 > 0:31:03Probably the best time of my life.
0:31:03 > 0:31:11It was the first experience that really showed me how to grow up.
0:31:11 > 0:31:15I learned a lot of lessons and it was a really happy time.
0:31:15 > 0:31:17You made friends on the set.
0:31:17 > 0:31:22You were young enough to think of ET as a real alien, as a real person.
0:31:22 > 0:31:24Yeah.
0:31:24 > 0:31:27Oh, I believed he was one of my best friends in the whole world
0:31:27 > 0:31:31and sometimes I still think he is. But he was really important to me.
0:31:31 > 0:31:34Did you go and talk to the dummy as if it was a real person?
0:31:34 > 0:31:38Yeah, I'd eat have my lunch with him every day.
0:31:38 > 0:31:41You were a mature six when you make the film.
0:31:41 > 0:31:44Had you had a lot of acting experience before that?
0:31:44 > 0:31:50Yeah, I made one feature film, maybe three or four TV movies
0:31:50 > 0:31:52and about 20 commercials.
0:31:52 > 0:31:56- How old were you when you started? - I was 11 months when I started.
0:31:56 > 0:31:57LAUGHTER
0:31:57 > 0:32:00I mean, did your mother want you to be an actress?
0:32:00 > 0:32:03Well, a friend suggested that she take me on this audition
0:32:03 > 0:32:07when I was 11 months for a puppy chow commercial.
0:32:07 > 0:32:12And I went in and the dog bit me on the nose and everybody freaked
0:32:12 > 0:32:15and I started laughing and I got the commercial!
0:32:15 > 0:32:18So after that I just continued to do some commercials
0:32:18 > 0:32:20and some TV movies,
0:32:20 > 0:32:22and I was about four
0:32:22 > 0:32:25and I was staring at the TV and said something like,
0:32:25 > 0:32:30"This is my life," and she explained to me that maybe it was too
0:32:30 > 0:32:34difficult for me and I said, "No, this is what I want to do."
0:32:34 > 0:32:36So, knowing that I wanted it so much,
0:32:36 > 0:32:39because she didn't want it for me she just wanted me to be happy.
0:32:39 > 0:32:42For once she understood that this was what I wanted and she helped me a lot.
0:32:42 > 0:32:44Well, you are a Barrymore!
0:32:44 > 0:32:50I mean, you come from such a long dynasty, DI-nasty...
0:32:50 > 0:32:52- of actors and actresses.- Yeah.
0:32:52 > 0:32:54But I didn't understand that when I was little.
0:32:54 > 0:32:56My name was just my last name
0:32:56 > 0:33:01and it was explained many times that my family was a very big acting
0:33:01 > 0:33:05family in the Shakespearean theatre, but I never really understood.
0:33:05 > 0:33:09As I got older my mother would show me more work of my family.
0:33:09 > 0:33:12Your progress downhill from the time
0:33:12 > 0:33:15you were about nine has been pretty well documented,
0:33:15 > 0:33:18but in a sense it's good to hear it again
0:33:18 > 0:33:21because it can be a lesson and it can help other young people.
0:33:21 > 0:33:25- How old were you when you first had alcohol?- Nine.
0:33:25 > 0:33:28And then... How did you start to drink?
0:33:28 > 0:33:30The usual way, someone said, "Have a drink"?
0:33:30 > 0:33:34Right, well, I had grown-up very fast and it's not very normal
0:33:34 > 0:33:38to see a nine-year-old at a big Hollywood party drinking.
0:33:38 > 0:33:43And it looks a little weird and people were laughing and saying,
0:33:43 > 0:33:46you know, "I dare you to do this," and I did.
0:33:46 > 0:33:49And I got really drunk and it was such a scary,
0:33:49 > 0:33:54frightening feeling, yet it was such an escape from everything else
0:33:54 > 0:33:58in the world, that I became... I had a liking to it and um...
0:33:58 > 0:34:00Do you think it ran in the family?
0:34:00 > 0:34:02Because there were generations of Barrymores who were
0:34:02 > 0:34:05- keen on the drink.- Yeah. And my whole family...
0:34:05 > 0:34:11My whole family, definitely, were all drinkers and they abused it.
0:34:11 > 0:34:14And they say it's hereditary and I'm sure it is
0:34:14 > 0:34:16because there is a long list of it.
0:34:16 > 0:34:18What about the drugs?
0:34:18 > 0:34:22That started when I was about 10 and 11, and...
0:34:22 > 0:34:27- Ten! Who gave you your first drug, for goodness' sake?- Um...
0:34:27 > 0:34:31As I said then, they were friends but they weren't really friends.
0:34:31 > 0:34:35And to me it just seemed normal.
0:34:35 > 0:34:37All the people I was around did it
0:34:37 > 0:34:40and they thought it was a way of life that was just normal to be living.
0:34:40 > 0:34:43The people you were around weren't the same age as you.
0:34:43 > 0:34:44No, I always had older friends.
0:34:44 > 0:34:47I was always with a much advanced,
0:34:47 > 0:34:50- older crowd from when I was about six.- How did you feel?
0:34:50 > 0:34:53You must have felt... It must have made you feel good.
0:34:54 > 0:34:56Yeah, it did.
0:34:56 > 0:34:59It was that great escape that you look for when you are younger.
0:34:59 > 0:35:02And actually at any age in your lifetime,
0:35:02 > 0:35:05you look for the escape, to get away from your problems in life.
0:35:05 > 0:35:09And when you do drugs, your problems in normal life seem so much bigger
0:35:09 > 0:35:13that you just do more just to get away from them.
0:35:13 > 0:35:15It's kind of a complete downward spiral.
0:35:15 > 0:35:19It's a complete downhill cycle that you just get caught up into.
0:35:19 > 0:35:22Either you make it out or you don't and it's very scary.
0:35:22 > 0:35:26And you went for the treatment but you had setbacks.
0:35:26 > 0:35:31- You did some crazy things when you came out of treatment.- Yeah, I did.
0:35:31 > 0:35:34At first I was clean, I was off drugs,
0:35:34 > 0:35:38but I still had the same behaviour. I was still doing the same thing.
0:35:38 > 0:35:40And that's when I really got clean,
0:35:40 > 0:35:42when I realised I just wasn't doing it right.
0:35:42 > 0:35:45I mean, is there any kind of...?
0:35:45 > 0:35:48Obviously, the message is to all young people, don't do it.
0:35:48 > 0:35:51However young you are you can fall into these traps.
0:35:51 > 0:35:55Is there any one rule that you'd say or anything you'd say to parents?
0:35:57 > 0:36:01Well, you can't just say "Just say no," because they don't listen.
0:36:01 > 0:36:04I didn't listen and other friends of mine didn't listen.
0:36:04 > 0:36:07You have to really understand where your kid is coming from
0:36:07 > 0:36:13as a parent and you have to let go and turn it over to either
0:36:13 > 0:36:16a higher power or whatever you believe in and have a lot
0:36:16 > 0:36:19of patience and understanding and really help your kid.
0:36:19 > 0:36:22And for the kid, it really depends on the individual,
0:36:22 > 0:36:24because everybody is different
0:36:24 > 0:36:28and everybody needs a different type of help to get through their problem.
0:36:28 > 0:36:32And hopefully they can find the right one and really stick with it,
0:36:32 > 0:36:35and it takes a lot of patience and a lot of understanding.
0:36:35 > 0:36:38- And you... How old are you now? - I'm 15, almost 16.
0:36:38 > 0:36:42- And you're just having a day at a time.- Yes, one minute, one moment.
0:36:42 > 0:36:44We wish you well and it's good to see you.
0:36:44 > 0:36:47It's good to see a young person come out the other side.
0:36:47 > 0:36:50It must have taken a great deal of fortitude and strength
0:36:50 > 0:36:51and intelligence.
0:36:51 > 0:36:54- But it looks as if things are on the up for you.- Very.
0:36:54 > 0:36:57We look forward to seeing ET with you in it,
0:36:57 > 0:36:59a very small Drew Barrymore, very innocent,
0:36:59 > 0:37:03with an awful time ahead of her, and now you are at the other side of it.
0:37:03 > 0:37:05- We hope you will continue to be. - Thank you.
0:37:05 > 0:37:06Drew Barrymore.
0:37:06 > 0:37:09APPLAUSE
0:37:13 > 0:37:17And finally, a lady who certainly lived the glamorous life
0:37:17 > 0:37:19of a Hollywood leading lady.
0:37:19 > 0:37:23I'm not sure if I can remember any of her films,
0:37:23 > 0:37:26but no matter, the much-married Zsa Zsa Gabor
0:37:26 > 0:37:29was one of a kind, and when we got together she'd just been
0:37:29 > 0:37:34forced to do community service after slapping a Los Angeles policeman.
0:37:34 > 0:37:37She brought along her pet dog.
0:37:37 > 0:37:40It was hard to tell who was the more barking.
0:37:40 > 0:37:42APPLAUSE
0:37:42 > 0:37:45BAND PLAYS: I'll Never Fall In Love Again
0:37:53 > 0:37:56- You sit there, please.- Thank you. - Is the dog happy without a seat?
0:37:56 > 0:37:58That's Macho Man.
0:37:58 > 0:38:02He would like to be on top of the table if you want to lift him.
0:38:02 > 0:38:05- Put him up there.- Is he all right if I lift him?- Of course! Be good.
0:38:05 > 0:38:08- Be good, Machie. - He is not going to eat you.- Good.
0:38:08 > 0:38:11- The tray! Oh, my goodness! - I'll move the tray.
0:38:11 > 0:38:15- The English with their tea! OK.- OK.
0:38:15 > 0:38:19- Watch the tea, Macho. - Macho, watch the tea, please.
0:38:19 > 0:38:22- How old is Macho?- Macho is nine years old. He is my oldest Shih Tzu.
0:38:22 > 0:38:26I have three more Shih Tzus, two German shepherds and a Rottweiler
0:38:26 > 0:38:28and seven horses and a husband.
0:38:28 > 0:38:30LAUGHTER
0:38:30 > 0:38:32I'm sure you don't mean to put your husband last.
0:38:32 > 0:38:36He is the first, but I put my animals first because they cost me
0:38:36 > 0:38:38so much money, the animals.
0:38:38 > 0:38:40- The husband is cheap, is he? - The husband is wonderful.
0:38:40 > 0:38:43He's not cheap, he's the most generous man I've had
0:38:43 > 0:38:45and I'm very much in love with him.
0:38:45 > 0:38:48- And you've had some very generous husbands.- No, not at all.
0:38:48 > 0:38:51All the other husbands cost me money, including Hilton.
0:38:51 > 0:38:54- Even the enormously wealthy one? - Yeah.
0:38:54 > 0:38:58The enormously wealthy one didn't give my alimony or child support
0:38:58 > 0:39:02and the only thing that I... I gave his mother my mink coat my daddy in Budapest gave me.
0:39:02 > 0:39:06Don't talk to me about enormously wealthy men, they are the most cheap.
0:39:06 > 0:39:07LAUGHTER
0:39:07 > 0:39:09I found out in life.
0:39:09 > 0:39:11Always find...
0:39:11 > 0:39:16Perhaps it's best to find a man who is poor to begin with.
0:39:16 > 0:39:18It's best to find a man you love and you want to go to bed with
0:39:18 > 0:39:21and then you can work things out.
0:39:21 > 0:39:22LAUGHTER
0:39:22 > 0:39:25My friend says you can fight the whole day.
0:39:25 > 0:39:28If you wind up in bed, you can always work out the marriage
0:39:28 > 0:39:30and I found that out very young in life.
0:39:30 > 0:39:32Do you think sex is the most important thing in a marriage?
0:39:32 > 0:39:34Not the most, but very important.
0:39:34 > 0:39:36Because if you fight the whole day
0:39:36 > 0:39:39and then you go to bed with a man and you like him in bed,
0:39:39 > 0:39:42then you forget all his shortcomings, which they all have so many.
0:39:42 > 0:39:45LAUGHTER
0:39:45 > 0:39:48If you're married for an awfully long time, married 25 years...
0:39:48 > 0:39:51Oh, my God, how could you stand it?
0:39:51 > 0:39:52LAUGHTER
0:39:53 > 0:39:56Well, it's not me, it's my wife I feel sorry for.
0:39:56 > 0:39:59This is my longest marriage - it's four years and a couple of weeks.
0:39:59 > 0:40:02We are giving a big party on our ranch.
0:40:02 > 0:40:07My last marriage was one day and I didn't think it would last that long!
0:40:07 > 0:40:09LAUGHTER
0:40:09 > 0:40:11But you give your heart so easily, don't you?
0:40:11 > 0:40:15Not so easily at all, but I am such a jerk - excuse the expression,
0:40:15 > 0:40:21an American expression. I always fall for the real chauvinistic pigs.
0:40:21 > 0:40:25I think they're wonderful, and then when they are chauvinistic pigs, I'm surprised.
0:40:25 > 0:40:26LAUGHTER
0:40:26 > 0:40:30- So, you're really quite silly about men.- Very.
0:40:30 > 0:40:32You're supposed to be the most famous
0:40:32 > 0:40:36- woman of the world in the world. - Oh, not at all.- Sophisticated...
0:40:36 > 0:40:40I forgot one thing. I wanted to slap you!
0:40:40 > 0:40:43LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
0:40:43 > 0:40:48- You see? I got my...- I'm not even wearing a policeman's uniform!
0:40:48 > 0:40:52But you look to me like a chauvinistic pig, which I love!
0:40:52 > 0:40:57- Have you finished doing your community service?- 300 hours.
0:40:57 > 0:40:59But I must say one thing, darling, seriously now.
0:40:59 > 0:41:01The best thing in the world happened to me.
0:41:01 > 0:41:04I went to the homeless, where I fell in love with every homeless
0:41:04 > 0:41:07and wanted to make them each a home. I raised them 165,000.
0:41:07 > 0:41:11So the judge tried desperately to punish me but he can't
0:41:11 > 0:41:13because I enjoy everything he makes me do!
0:41:13 > 0:41:17- The punishment has done you good. - Jail was terrible.
0:41:17 > 0:41:22I have terrible claustrophobia and to be locked up for me...
0:41:22 > 0:41:24When I married Hilton, he once told me
0:41:24 > 0:41:27when I asked him where he was last night, he said,
0:41:27 > 0:41:30"Zsa Zsa, don't fence me in." I said, "Conrad, how well I understand you.
0:41:30 > 0:41:32"I can't be fenced in either."
0:41:32 > 0:41:35And let's face it, in jail you are sort of fenced in.
0:41:35 > 0:41:39- How long were you in jail for? - Only three days.- That's enough.
0:41:39 > 0:41:40No, because I could finish my...
0:41:40 > 0:41:42I'm writing a book, which is
0:41:42 > 0:41:46right now called One Lifetime Is Not Enough, and it isn't
0:41:46 > 0:41:50because I have so much living to do and I've done so much already.
0:41:50 > 0:41:52When I dictated this book, my writer said, "My God,
0:41:52 > 0:41:55"it's impossible you lived all that." I said, "That's just the beginning."
0:41:55 > 0:41:57What have you learned from life?
0:41:57 > 0:42:00As I say, you've lived a lot and you've seen a lot.
0:42:00 > 0:42:04I learned one thing, that I still like the animals the most.
0:42:04 > 0:42:06LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
0:42:06 > 0:42:09- What about these plans for a movie of your life?- Yeah.
0:42:09 > 0:42:11Who's going to play that?
0:42:11 > 0:42:14Well, they have to find a 15-year-old naughty blonde Hungarian girl
0:42:14 > 0:42:17who can also act.
0:42:17 > 0:42:20- MIMICS ACCENT:- A notey blonde Hungarian girl?- Of course!
0:42:20 > 0:42:22I married the Turkish ambassador at 15, only
0:42:22 > 0:42:25because I wanted to keep my Scotty then. I had a Scotty...
0:42:25 > 0:42:27That's as good a reason as any.
0:42:27 > 0:42:30Well, then he said I can't keep him and I called him up,
0:42:30 > 0:42:32"Your Excellency, will you marry me?
0:42:32 > 0:42:35"But I have to bring my dog to Turkey, Ankara." And I talked him into it.
0:42:35 > 0:42:38Three days later I was Her Excellency...
0:42:40 > 0:42:42What a life you've led!
0:42:42 > 0:42:44Do you look back on it with any regret?
0:42:44 > 0:42:46Do you think, "Oh, I wish I hadn't done that"?
0:42:46 > 0:42:50I wish I hadn't driven down Olympic Boulevard a year ago!
0:42:50 > 0:42:52Never mind. But what about other things?
0:42:52 > 0:42:54You must regret some of the men that you've met.
0:42:54 > 0:42:58The only one is the lawyer, the Yugoslav lawyer, Michael O'Hara.
0:42:58 > 0:42:59I could have skipped that.
0:42:59 > 0:43:02- A Yugoslav lawyer called Michael O'Hara.- American.
0:43:02 > 0:43:05His name is Milan, but they made it Americanised.
0:43:05 > 0:43:09He came with his mother from Yugoslavia and I met him...
0:43:09 > 0:43:13He was my divorce lawyer from Jack Ryan, the Barbie Doll man.
0:43:13 > 0:43:17And the day we got divorced, I married him because he was gorgeous.
0:43:17 > 0:43:19But that's it.
0:43:19 > 0:43:24- You're a woman who's carried away by physical beauty.- No.
0:43:24 > 0:43:27He was a lawyer! A very intelligent man.
0:43:27 > 0:43:32I am liking a good-looking man, yes, sir! You are very good-looking!
0:43:32 > 0:43:33Please! Please!
0:43:33 > 0:43:34APPLAUSE
0:43:36 > 0:43:41And hearing those words from Zsa Zsa brings on the urge...
0:43:41 > 0:43:42to make a quick exit.
0:43:42 > 0:43:45Time I wasn't here, but there's always a next time,
0:43:45 > 0:43:49so back again with a more Wogan and their best bits.