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0:00:21 > 0:00:25- Gareth Parry - is one of Wales's leading artists.
0:00:25 > 0:00:28- Tonight is a special night for him.
0:00:28 > 0:00:32- His work is being exhibited - at London's Thackeray Gallery.
0:00:32 > 0:00:35- It's the opening night...
0:00:35 > 0:00:39- ..and an early chance to meet Gareth - and to purchase his work.
0:00:40 > 0:00:42- Hello. Pleased to meet you.
0:00:45 > 0:00:47- Gareth is a genius with paint.
0:00:49 > 0:00:51- He has a special gift...
0:00:52 > 0:00:57- ..and an ability to convey a unique - and complex atmosphere on canvas.
0:01:00 > 0:01:02- His life has been just as complex.
0:01:04 > 0:01:07- Due to a sickly childhood...
0:01:07 > 0:01:10- ..he spent a lot of time alone.
0:01:10 > 0:01:12- I've always wanted to escape.
0:01:12 > 0:01:14- He rebelled at school.
0:01:15 > 0:01:18- I didn't fit in, so I went away.
0:01:18 > 0:01:23- He ran away to London - to escape school.
0:01:23 > 0:01:27- I opened the train window - and threw my black blazer out.
0:01:27 > 0:01:31- It flew into the air and fell - to earth like a crow being shot.
0:01:31 > 0:01:33- He took drugs as a teenager.
0:01:34 > 0:01:37- People used to take amphetamine.
0:01:37 > 0:01:40- For a time, - he was homeless and drank heavily.
0:01:41 > 0:01:45- Things went rapidly downhill - from then on.
0:01:46 > 0:01:50- Gareth's experiences - are as rich as his palette.
0:01:59 > 0:02:03- Gareth Parry was born in Manod, - Blaenau Ffestiniog.
0:02:05 > 0:02:09- He was a child of the 1950s, - in the slate industry's heyday.
0:02:09 > 0:02:13- This is Bryn Glas, - just outside Manod.
0:02:13 > 0:02:17- I remember coming here - as a seven-year-old boy...
0:02:17 > 0:02:22- ..after being told by my parents - that we were leaving Manod...
0:02:22 > 0:02:24- ..and moving to Llan.
0:02:24 > 0:02:30- I came here with my friends - and they pointed Llan out to me.
0:02:30 > 0:02:36- They told me that there were holes - in the road, and I believed them!
0:02:38 > 0:02:41- After moving to Llan Ffestiniog...
0:02:41 > 0:02:44- ..he longed to go back to Manod.
0:02:46 > 0:02:49- Both sets of grandparents - lived there.
0:02:50 > 0:02:54- His daughter, Nia, and her family - live there now.
0:02:54 > 0:02:56- Hi, Dad. Come in.
0:02:56 > 0:02:57- Are the children OK?
0:02:57 > 0:02:59- Are the children OK?- - Yes, they're here.
0:02:59 > 0:03:01- Are you going to help Taid?
0:03:01 > 0:03:04- Put them all in the bus.
0:03:05 > 0:03:06- Do these go in the bus?
0:03:09 > 0:03:12- Well done, Awen, - for rolling that up.
0:03:12 > 0:03:14- Thank you, Awen.
0:03:15 > 0:03:17- These belong to the children.
0:03:17 > 0:03:22- They're of people watching - a crockery salesman at Llan fair.
0:03:23 > 0:03:25- Are you there among them?
0:03:25 > 0:03:26- Are you there among them?- - No.
0:03:26 > 0:03:29- No, they're far too ugly!
0:03:29 > 0:03:32- I was born in this house - and it goes back a long way.
0:03:33 > 0:03:38- My great-great-grandparents - lived here, my great-grandparents...
0:03:38 > 0:03:42- ..my grandparents, - my parents, my brother and I...
0:03:42 > 0:03:47- ..and now Nia and her daughters, - so that's several generations.
0:03:50 > 0:03:54- We were a happy and loving family.
0:03:54 > 0:03:58- I paint a red door - in some of my paintings...
0:03:59 > 0:04:03- ..to remind myself of the warmth - and comfort I received...
0:04:04 > 0:04:06- ..from my grandparents.
0:04:06 > 0:04:10- Gareth became ill while at primary - school in Llan Ffestiniog.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14- When I was nine years old...
0:04:15 > 0:04:18- ..I started suffering badly - from asthma.
0:04:18 > 0:04:21- I also suffered - from what was called brain fever.
0:04:21 > 0:04:25- When I had brain fever...
0:04:26 > 0:04:28- ..I literally had delusions.
0:04:28 > 0:04:32- Every now and then, I thought - that I was dying or being chased.
0:04:32 > 0:04:37- I also had childhood depression, - something people are unaware of.
0:04:37 > 0:04:40- There were no asthma pumps - available back then.
0:04:41 > 0:04:43- It meant that I was in bed - for days at a time.
0:04:44 > 0:04:49- The plus side to this - is that I became an avid reader.
0:04:49 > 0:04:55- I could sit in bed - and read whatever we had at home...
0:04:55 > 0:04:59- ..such as my great-grandfather's - general knowledge books.
0:04:59 > 0:05:03- I'd read them and see sculptures - by Michelangelo...
0:05:03 > 0:05:07- ..and paintings by Turner - and Velasquez.
0:05:07 > 0:05:13- I soon realized that a painting - says much more than a photograph.
0:05:13 > 0:05:17- I think it's the contrast - between light and dark.
0:05:18 > 0:05:22- Due to his illness, he discovered - his great interest at a young age.
0:05:24 > 0:05:28- But despite the wealth - of knowledge that he acquired...
0:05:29 > 0:05:32- ..it amounted to nothing - at secondary school.
0:05:37 > 0:05:43- Ysgol Y Moelwyn now is very different - to the county school of the 1960s.
0:05:43 > 0:05:46- I came here as a boy - who also went to Sunday school.
0:05:47 > 0:05:50- I remember - my very first scripture lesson.
0:05:50 > 0:05:53- I had forgotten my Bible.
0:05:53 > 0:05:56- My scripture teacher, - who later became a minister...
0:05:57 > 0:06:00- ..said, "I'll make sure - you remember your Bible in future."
0:06:01 > 0:06:05- He caught hold of the nearest Bible - and struck me with it.
0:06:05 > 0:06:07- He shoved a heavy Bible - right in my face.
0:06:08 > 0:06:11- I could almost feel religion - leaving my head.
0:06:14 > 0:06:18- Gareth detested every moment - he spent at school.
0:06:18 > 0:06:21- It was a place to avoid - at all costs.
0:06:22 > 0:06:26- When the bus pulled up at the gates, - my heart would sink.
0:06:26 > 0:06:29- Some days, - I wouldn't go to school at all.
0:06:29 > 0:06:33- I'd walk in through the gates, - pass the boys' toilets...
0:06:33 > 0:06:38- ..jump over the wall and spend - the rest of the day in the woods.
0:06:38 > 0:06:42- There was nothing for it - but to escape from school.
0:06:42 > 0:06:47- I said to some of my mates, - "I'm not coming to school next week.
0:06:47 > 0:06:51- "I'm running away to London. - Are you coming with me or what?"
0:06:51 > 0:06:55- One or two of them said, - "OK, we'll come with you."
0:06:55 > 0:06:57- I remember having big plans.
0:06:57 > 0:06:59- The night before I left...
0:07:00 > 0:07:02- ..I went to my father's shop...
0:07:02 > 0:07:06- ..and stole a bag of shillings - and pennies.
0:07:06 > 0:07:08- I hid them in my bag, - got on the bus...
0:07:09 > 0:07:11- ..met up with my friend...
0:07:11 > 0:07:14- ..and caught the train - to Llandudno Junction.
0:07:14 > 0:07:19- I took out the shillings and said - to the man, "One way to London."
0:07:20 > 0:07:23- Off we both went - to London on the train.
0:07:29 > 0:07:32- I had no idea - where we were going to stay.
0:07:32 > 0:07:37- I didn't know whether London - only had one station, like Blaenau.
0:07:37 > 0:07:41- Imagine that. - I knew nothing about London.
0:07:41 > 0:07:45- All I knew of London was Dixon - Of Dock Green and Top Of The Pops.
0:07:45 > 0:07:47- It was great.
0:07:51 > 0:07:53- Here's my train.
0:08:12 > 0:08:16- It all stemmed from being unhappy - at home 43 years ago.
0:08:16 > 0:08:20- I couldn't style my hair - and dress like other boys.
0:08:21 > 0:08:23- This caused all kinds of problems.
0:08:23 > 0:08:28- And that awful school, Ffestiniog - County School, as it was then.
0:08:28 > 0:08:31- The teachers were Dickensian - and cruel.
0:08:32 > 0:08:33- I called it Alcatraz.
0:08:34 > 0:08:36- # Freedom - Jimi Hendrix #
0:08:39 > 0:08:43- What I remember most - from my trip to London...
0:08:44 > 0:08:47- ..was the feeling of freedom - and excitement.
0:08:47 > 0:08:52- I had these Procol Harum - and Jimi Hendrix songs in my head.
0:08:52 > 0:08:56- I took off my school blazer - before getting to Chester...
0:08:57 > 0:08:59- ..opened the window...
0:08:59 > 0:09:01- ..and threw out this black blazer.
0:09:01 > 0:09:06- It flew into the air and fell - to earth like a crow being shot.
0:09:06 > 0:09:10- It was then that I thought, - that's it, I've escaped.
0:09:10 > 0:09:12- I've left that awful place.
0:09:12 > 0:09:15- I'm going to be on Top Of The Pops.
0:09:16 > 0:09:18- I'm going to be a famous actor...
0:09:18 > 0:09:22- ..wear fabulous clothes - and be my own man.
0:09:23 > 0:09:26- # Whiter Shade Of Pale - - Procol Harum #
0:09:43 > 0:09:45- This is Edgware Road, - and it was here...
0:09:46 > 0:09:48- ..that we found somewhere to stay.
0:09:49 > 0:09:51- It was only the third place - we tried.
0:09:52 > 0:09:55- Unbelievably, - at the second place we tried...
0:09:55 > 0:09:59- ..a boy from the same village as me - opened the door.
0:09:59 > 0:10:04- Interestingly, - the boy who opened the door...
0:10:04 > 0:10:07- ..then heard from his parents...
0:10:07 > 0:10:10- ..that the police - were searching for us.
0:10:10 > 0:10:15- So he phoned home, the creep. - I wasn't happy at the time.
0:10:15 > 0:10:19- Within a few days, a policeman - turned up looking for us.
0:10:19 > 0:10:23- That was the end - of our big adventure...
0:10:23 > 0:10:27- ..and put paid to us - becoming world-famous for something.
0:10:27 > 0:10:30- We had no idea what!
0:10:36 > 0:10:39- After returning from London - to sit my O Levels...
0:10:39 > 0:10:42- ..I ran away again - before my A Levels.
0:10:42 > 0:10:45- This time, - I got no further than Wrexham.
0:10:45 > 0:10:48- I had a scooter at home - but I didn't take that...
0:10:48 > 0:10:51- ..otherwise I'd have gone further.
0:10:51 > 0:10:53- It was the age of the mods.
0:11:00 > 0:11:04- Being a mod in Blaenau Ffestiniog - was really radical.
0:11:04 > 0:11:06- There were only five of us...
0:11:06 > 0:11:08- ..and 500 of the other lads.
0:11:08 > 0:11:12- Most of them - didn't care what you were.
0:11:12 > 0:11:17- But there was another gang, - the Hell's Angels, the rockers.
0:11:17 > 0:11:19- I became friends with them - years later...
0:11:20 > 0:11:23- ..but there was a great rivalry - between us at the time.
0:11:24 > 0:11:27- We often had stones or bricks - thrown at us in the street.
0:11:27 > 0:11:30- They went to the Easy Rider cafe - in Blaenau.
0:11:31 > 0:11:35- They won't like me for saying this, - but they only had two motorbikes...
0:11:35 > 0:11:39- ..between 20 of them, - whereas we all had scooters.
0:11:44 > 0:11:47- Mine was better than that. - I had an SX, that's an LI.
0:11:48 > 0:11:52- Snobbery existed in all gangs, - especially between the mods.
0:11:53 > 0:11:54- We were such heroes.
0:11:59 > 0:12:02- I was still a mod...
0:12:02 > 0:12:05- ..when I finally left school...
0:12:05 > 0:12:09- ..and went - to the Manchester College of Art.
0:12:09 > 0:12:12- Because I was a mod, - I didn't fit in there either.
0:12:13 > 0:12:17- Everybody had long hair - and they were arty types.
0:12:17 > 0:12:21- Art college - was no different from school.
0:12:22 > 0:12:25- There was still a bell - between classes!
0:12:27 > 0:12:30- This time, Gareth wasn't restricted - by his education.
0:12:33 > 0:12:37- I soon discovered - that the mods held all-nighters.
0:12:37 > 0:12:40- Dances that would last all night.
0:12:40 > 0:12:43- MOD MUSIC
0:12:47 > 0:12:50- People would take amphetamine.
0:12:50 > 0:12:55- They broke into chemists. I didn't - because I was afraid of prison.
0:12:55 > 0:12:58- They hid the drugs - in old bomb sites in Stockport.
0:12:59 > 0:13:01- I knew these lads.
0:13:01 > 0:13:03- I came up with this idea...
0:13:03 > 0:13:08- ..of stealing the drugs - from the lads who stole them.
0:13:08 > 0:13:10- It was a dangerous thing to do.
0:13:11 > 0:13:14- They thought - I wouldn't remember where I was.
0:13:14 > 0:13:17- But I had a photographic memory.
0:13:18 > 0:13:24- I remembered exactly where drugs - had been stashed in various houses.
0:13:24 > 0:13:27- I sold the drugs back to them...
0:13:28 > 0:13:30- ..before going to the all-nighters.
0:13:31 > 0:13:34- I'd tell them I got them - from Liverpool or Bolton.
0:13:34 > 0:13:38- I'd take 10-15 capsules myself - and dance all night.
0:13:43 > 0:13:46- I'd be depressed - for two or three days afterwards...
0:13:47 > 0:13:48- ..and not go to college.
0:13:49 > 0:13:53- The best cure for the depression - was to smoke marijuana.
0:13:54 > 0:13:58- So I'd sit at home smoking - instead of going to college.
0:13:58 > 0:14:00- Things went rapidly downhill - from then on.
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0:14:10 > 0:14:14- Gareth Parry's - decadent college lifestyle...
0:14:15 > 0:14:17- ..led to him leaving Manchester.
0:14:17 > 0:14:22- With his interest in art slowly - vanishing in a haze of drugs...
0:14:22 > 0:14:27- ..the only answer was to return - to Blaenau Ffestiniog.
0:14:28 > 0:14:31- With no job - and no money in his pocket...
0:14:31 > 0:14:34- ..he decided to find work - at the quarry.
0:14:35 > 0:14:38- Many family members - were quarrymen...
0:14:38 > 0:14:43- ..so he carried on the tradition - and worked among the locals.
0:14:44 > 0:14:47- I walked out of the mill - and sat opposite...
0:14:47 > 0:14:51- ..to make sure I remembered - the sound of the quarry.
0:14:52 > 0:14:54- The tapping of chisels...
0:14:54 > 0:14:59- ..the whirr of engines and saws - and the occasional shout or laugh.
0:15:00 > 0:15:03- Today, it's completely silent.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06- I can see Tony Starr's - sharpening tool over there.
0:15:07 > 0:15:11- He was called the Walking Jukebox - because he was always singing.
0:15:11 > 0:15:16- And this small engine. - I'm sure this was Wil's.
0:15:16 > 0:15:18- One fateful day...
0:15:18 > 0:15:22- ..I went to unhook the wagons - without Wil noticing...
0:15:23 > 0:15:25- ..and he started the engine.
0:15:25 > 0:15:28- I heard the snap of my shoulder - being broken...
0:15:28 > 0:15:33- ..but little did I know that I'd - also broken two ribs when I fell.
0:15:33 > 0:15:38- Gareth sustained a relatively - minor injury and quickly recovered...
0:15:39 > 0:15:41- ..with the help of his workmates.
0:15:41 > 0:15:45- It gave me greater respect...
0:15:46 > 0:15:48- ..for the workers...
0:15:48 > 0:15:51- ..and the older generation.
0:15:51 > 0:15:54- There was no envy - within the community.
0:15:54 > 0:15:58- I started drawing again.
0:15:58 > 0:16:02- I drew pictures of these characters - for them to keep.
0:16:02 > 0:16:05- Maybe one of them - has kept a drawing.
0:16:06 > 0:16:10- Though I had great respect - for the quarrymen...
0:16:10 > 0:16:13- ..I was still a young man of 20.
0:16:13 > 0:16:19- There were many reasons - why I became homeless.
0:16:20 > 0:16:23- I wasn't willing to go home - and live with Mam and Dad.
0:16:24 > 0:16:26- I started taking drugs - like LSD, acid.
0:16:27 > 0:16:29- That was a proper drug.
0:16:30 > 0:16:33- It took you to another world - for a few hours...
0:16:34 > 0:16:36- ..where you had no concept of time.
0:16:36 > 0:16:41- I later found out - how dangerous it was.
0:16:41 > 0:16:44- It opens up your mind, - as marijuana can do.
0:16:44 > 0:16:48- It affects the brain - by expanding your mind.
0:16:48 > 0:16:53- But it opens up some minds - that should remain closed.
0:16:53 > 0:16:58- He needed help to see the error - of his ways and change his life.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02- This happened when he heard - about his grandmother's brother...
0:17:03 > 0:17:07- ..who was killed on the Somme - during the First World War.
0:17:07 > 0:17:11- I thought, this lad hasn't had - a chance to do anything...
0:17:11 > 0:17:16- ..while I've had numerous chances - in my life and thrown them all away.
0:17:17 > 0:17:20- At the time, going out for a pint - became more regular...
0:17:21 > 0:17:23- ..and I only worked if I had to.
0:17:24 > 0:17:29- But hearing about this boy - had a profound effect on me.
0:17:29 > 0:17:32- The quarry had affected me...
0:17:32 > 0:17:36- ..and finding out about Wil - some years later...
0:17:36 > 0:17:38- ..sobered me up, literally.
0:17:41 > 0:17:45- Gareth now lives - in Gellilydan, Meirionnydd.
0:17:45 > 0:17:49- He works from his studio - in a garden shed opposite his home.
0:17:50 > 0:17:53- The sky moves.
0:17:53 > 0:17:55- It's not dead. Nature isn't dead.
0:17:55 > 0:18:00- I'm not interested - in creating a still painting...
0:18:00 > 0:18:03- ..of the Moelwyn or Snowdon - or Moel Siabod.
0:18:03 > 0:18:08- I want to convey the feeling - of sitting down for 20 minutes...
0:18:08 > 0:18:11- ..and watching the scene change.
0:18:11 > 0:18:17- It's a painting of a few minutes - watching the same scene.
0:18:19 > 0:18:22- It's the mood - that I'm trying to convey.
0:18:22 > 0:18:24- It needs a bit more colour.
0:18:28 > 0:18:32- When he's not working, - Gareth escapes to remote places.
0:18:33 > 0:18:38- Fishing in Llyn Morwynion - on the Migneint is a favourite hobby.
0:18:38 > 0:18:41- It's a hobby that he has enjoyed - since childhood.
0:18:42 > 0:18:44- I like being by myself.
0:18:45 > 0:18:47- I've always been the same.
0:18:47 > 0:18:50- Even as a child, - I'd leave the other children...
0:18:50 > 0:18:52- ..and head to the mountains.
0:18:53 > 0:18:57- There's a big difference between - being lonely and being alone.
0:18:57 > 0:19:01- I don't feel lonely - with my thoughts and nature.
0:19:01 > 0:19:05- I've felt far lonelier - in people's company.
0:19:07 > 0:19:09- I have bouts of depression.
0:19:09 > 0:19:12- It starts out as loneliness.
0:19:12 > 0:19:15- It's as if the light - is fading away.
0:19:15 > 0:19:20- During times like these, - I feel as if I'm out of the sun.
0:19:21 > 0:19:23- Imagine swimming in a lake...
0:19:23 > 0:19:28- ..just beneath the surface - so that the sun isn't shining on me.
0:19:28 > 0:19:30- I'm afraid of the darkness - beneath me.
0:19:31 > 0:19:36- I suppose I'm afraid of loneliness - rather than solitude.
0:19:38 > 0:19:42- I've been depressed at times, - and that's quite understandable.
0:19:44 > 0:19:48- What's interesting is that - when the depression lifts...
0:19:49 > 0:19:53- ..or when you sink into it, - that's when you do your best work.
0:19:53 > 0:19:57- The work has more substance - and more thought goes into it.
0:19:58 > 0:20:01- The colours darken too.
0:20:01 > 0:20:05- I use more black and dark green - without realizing.
0:20:05 > 0:20:08- And flashes of light here and there.
0:20:08 > 0:20:11- It's what happens - when I'm feeling low.
0:20:11 > 0:20:13- It's dark with hints of light.
0:20:14 > 0:20:19- Gareth's paintings are exhibited - in several galleries in Wales.
0:20:19 > 0:20:24- He has a special relationship with - Oriel Plas Glyn-y-Weddw, Llanbedrog.
0:20:26 > 0:20:28- Today, he discusses - his next collection...
0:20:28 > 0:20:31- ..with Gwyn Jones, - the gallery's director.
0:20:32 > 0:20:35- It'll be more of this kind of thing.
0:20:35 > 0:20:36- Some will be at night.
0:20:36 > 0:20:38- Some will be at night.- - You're using a different palette.
0:20:39 > 0:20:43- You spent time in Cyprus, so I think - there's more warmth in it.
0:20:43 > 0:20:48- When you go abroad and come back, - the light in Wales...
0:20:48 > 0:20:50- ..is a silvery green.
0:20:50 > 0:20:52- It's a warmer orange colour abroad.
0:20:53 > 0:20:57- You're reluctant - to go back to the old colours.
0:20:58 > 0:21:00- It makes a difference.
0:21:01 > 0:21:04- It's important - that people come up to it...
0:21:04 > 0:21:08- ..and see how the paint - has been used...
0:21:08 > 0:21:10- ..and the image created.
0:21:10 > 0:21:11- Another red door.
0:21:11 > 0:21:13- Another red door.- - Yes, the door of comfort.
0:21:14 > 0:21:15- Nain's door.
0:21:15 > 0:21:17- Nain's door.- - You can choose your own door.
0:21:17 > 0:21:21- Sometimes you want to return - to somewhere comforting.
0:21:21 > 0:21:25- Open the door and in you go. - In this painting, that's the way in.
0:21:33 > 0:21:35- I'm sorry, am I in the way?
0:21:36 > 0:21:38- The Thackeray Gallery, London.
0:21:41 > 0:21:44- It's the opening night - for six Welsh artists...
0:21:44 > 0:21:46- ..one of whom is Gareth.
0:21:46 > 0:21:49- How long would a painting - like that take?
0:21:49 > 0:21:52- Do you start it...?
0:21:52 > 0:21:56- It's an opportunity to exhibit - and sell his work outside Wales.
0:21:57 > 0:22:00- A painting isn't just a picture.
0:22:00 > 0:22:05- It's a picture made with paint, - so why not show the paint?
0:22:05 > 0:22:07- Let people see it...
0:22:07 > 0:22:11- ..and see the brush strokes - and the knife marks.
0:22:11 > 0:22:15- When a good guitarist plays, - you sometimes hear his fingers...
0:22:16 > 0:22:18- ..slide along the strings.
0:22:18 > 0:22:21- It's not part of the music itself - but it's there.
0:22:21 > 0:22:26- That's a mark of his work - and this is a mark of mine.
0:22:29 > 0:22:32- I've never considered myself - an artist.
0:22:32 > 0:22:35- It's something personal...
0:22:35 > 0:22:38- ..that belongs - to this other person...
0:22:38 > 0:22:41- ..after being in company...
0:22:41 > 0:22:44- ..who insists on being alone...
0:22:45 > 0:22:48- ..to sit, watch...
0:22:48 > 0:22:52- ..and listen to the sounds, - watching the world go by.
0:22:52 > 0:22:56- I've never been conscious - of wanting to be different...
0:22:56 > 0:23:00- ..but I've always wanted - to experience things.
0:23:00 > 0:23:04- I wanted the freedom to spread - my wings more than anything.
0:23:04 > 0:23:07- That's something I felt - I could never do.
0:23:07 > 0:23:11- What's a hawk without wings? - It's no more than a hen.
0:23:11 > 0:23:14- I didn't want to live like a hen.
0:23:15 > 0:23:19- I'm not the same person I was, - and thank goodness for that.
0:23:19 > 0:23:22- I wouldn't want to be - the same Gareth Parry...
0:23:23 > 0:23:29- ..as I was 20 or 30 years ago, - not at all.
0:23:29 > 0:23:32- I prefer this Gareth Parry.
0:23:32 > 0:23:35- The old Gareth Parry - is a different person.
0:23:36 > 0:23:40- Sometimes, I'd like to go back - to being him because he had fun.
0:23:40 > 0:23:42- # Hey Joe - Jimi Hendrix #
0:23:53 > 0:23:55- S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf.
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