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0:00:28 > 0:00:31- I've known my entire life - that I was adopted.
0:00:35 > 0:00:40- Hand on heart, I have no idea - what I'll do and how I'll react.
0:00:41 > 0:00:45- This isn't something - that will just happen today.
0:00:45 > 0:00:47- It's forever.
0:00:49 > 0:00:50- Oh, God.
0:00:57 > 0:01:00- I think, Iestyn, - that I've found things...
0:01:00 > 0:01:03- ..that I didn't think I would find.
0:01:07 > 0:01:09- Hello?
0:01:10 > 0:01:12- Oh, my God.
0:01:20 > 0:01:23- Here he is, the man himself...
0:01:23 > 0:01:24- ..Iestyn...
0:01:25 > 0:01:26- ..Garlick.
0:01:27 > 0:01:30- Thank you and good evening. - A warm welcome to you.
0:01:31 > 0:01:34- Iestyn Garlick is used to - appearing in front of a camera...
0:01:35 > 0:01:36- ..as a TV presenter and actor.
0:01:37 > 0:01:38- How do you know about that?
0:01:39 > 0:01:44- On international rugby weekends, - Iestyn works in Cardiff...
0:01:44 > 0:01:47- ..in the national stadium.
0:01:47 > 0:01:51- Iestyn is the voice on the PA - system during rugby internationals.
0:01:51 > 0:01:53- Is it 'McGrah' or 'McGrath'?
0:01:53 > 0:01:55- Is it 'McGrah' or 'McGrath'?- - 'McGrah'.
0:01:56 > 0:01:58- I've got that right then.
0:01:58 > 0:02:01- Today, Wales take on Ireland.
0:02:01 > 0:02:04- Ladies and gentlemen...
0:02:04 > 0:02:08- ..would you please stand - for the anthems.
0:02:13 > 0:02:20- The game against Ireland always - makes Iestyn think about his mother.
0:02:20 > 0:02:23- The Irish woman - who couldn't keep him.
0:02:33 > 0:02:38- About 20 years ago - I decided to start searching...
0:02:38 > 0:02:40- ..for my biological mother.
0:02:41 > 0:02:47- One of the first things I received - was the birth certificate.
0:02:47 > 0:02:53- I found out that my original name - was Kevin Augustine Donnelly.
0:02:56 > 0:03:00- My natural birth mother - was Mary Rose Donnelly.
0:03:00 > 0:03:05- I took it see was Irish. Seeing that - for the first time shook me.
0:03:07 > 0:03:10- I'm eager to discover...
0:03:12 > 0:03:14- ..who she was, - what the circumstances were.
0:03:14 > 0:03:17- That's what I want to know.
0:03:18 > 0:03:22- The birth certificate shows - that Kevin Augustine Donnelly...
0:03:23 > 0:03:26- ..was born in 1952 in Swansea.
0:03:27 > 0:03:28- For the first time since...
0:03:29 > 0:03:32- ..Iestyn returns to the place - where he was adopted.
0:03:32 > 0:03:35- Nazareth House in Swansea.
0:03:36 > 0:03:40- I've always known that I was adopted - from Nazareth House.
0:03:40 > 0:03:44- The story - my father and mother told me...
0:03:44 > 0:03:47- ..was the story of how I was chosen.
0:03:48 > 0:03:50- I was in some kind of basket.
0:03:52 > 0:03:57- My father would describe - how I held on to his finger.
0:03:57 > 0:03:59- That was the norm for me.
0:04:00 > 0:04:01- Wow.
0:04:02 > 0:04:04- This is familiar to me, - from the photos.
0:04:04 > 0:04:05- Do I park here?
0:04:14 > 0:04:17- Before it was turned - into an old people's home...
0:04:18 > 0:04:22- ..Nazareth House was home - to 190 orphaned children and babies.
0:04:22 > 0:04:25- The Catholic Church ran the home.
0:04:25 > 0:04:29- It was know locally - as the baby factory...
0:04:29 > 0:04:33- ..since this is where people - would come to adopt a child.
0:04:33 > 0:04:38- Including Elin and Raymond Garlick, - Kevin Donnelly's new parents.
0:04:39 > 0:04:41- This is where I would have come.
0:04:42 > 0:04:44- Most probably in that archway...
0:04:44 > 0:04:48- ..there would be a statue - of the Virgin Mary.
0:05:06 > 0:05:10- The emotions - going through someone's mind.
0:05:10 > 0:05:14- This is where the - mother and father that adopted me...
0:05:14 > 0:05:16- ..this is how they saw it.
0:05:16 > 0:05:19- I'm seeing it, - through my own eyes, granted...
0:05:19 > 0:05:24- ..but not as a child but as an - adult, which is how they saw it.
0:05:24 > 0:05:26- It's a huge place.
0:05:26 > 0:05:32- The Church kept a file on every - child adopted in Nazareth House.
0:05:32 > 0:05:36- It's hard to imagine - the sound of babies here.
0:05:37 > 0:05:39- While searching 20 years ago...
0:05:39 > 0:05:42- ..Iestyn found a copy - of a letter in his file.
0:05:43 > 0:05:46- A letter written - by Mary Rose Donnelly.
0:05:50 > 0:05:52- Dear Father Poyner...
0:05:52 > 0:05:56- ..it has relieved my mind a lot - to hear you say...
0:05:56 > 0:05:59- ..that Kevin has been lucky - in the home he has gone to.
0:06:00 > 0:06:03- I hope you'll not think - it impertinent of me...
0:06:03 > 0:06:05- ..asking for those details.
0:06:06 > 0:06:11- But I still have a mother's heart - and I would do a lot...
0:06:12 > 0:06:14- ..to be able to have him myself.
0:06:14 > 0:06:19- But it is because I think I am doing - the best thing letting him go.
0:06:19 > 0:06:22- Yours gratefully, - Mary Rose Donnelly.
0:06:22 > 0:06:25- I do know - that when I read this first...
0:06:25 > 0:06:27- ..I was in floods of tears.
0:06:30 > 0:06:32- It's not something - that was easy for her.
0:06:34 > 0:06:38- She doesn't say I know - - "I think I am doing the best thing."
0:06:39 > 0:06:41- It's not...
0:06:42 > 0:06:44- She's had to think about it.
0:06:44 > 0:06:47- The question that arises is...
0:06:47 > 0:06:50- ..why does she think - she is doing the best thing?
0:06:51 > 0:06:56- That's what we don't know right now. - We may never know the answer.
0:06:57 > 0:07:00- There's no point stopping - trying to find out...
0:07:00 > 0:07:02- ..even though it's late in the day.
0:07:07 > 0:07:11- The spur to start searching - 20 years ago was his son Steffan.
0:07:11 > 0:07:14- Coming for a walk? No?
0:07:14 > 0:07:16- Come on.
0:07:16 > 0:07:18- One, two, three. Around we go.
0:07:18 > 0:07:20- Sit.
0:07:25 > 0:07:28- You have to be honest with yourself.
0:07:28 > 0:07:31- The greatest nightmare...
0:07:31 > 0:07:35- ..is discovering - that your child isn't right.
0:07:35 > 0:07:37- It's strange, isn't it?
0:07:39 > 0:07:41- That's what happens to his hands.
0:07:41 > 0:07:46- The syndrome he has is something - called drumstick fingers.
0:07:47 > 0:07:50- They're fat at the top - and thin at the bottom.
0:07:50 > 0:07:53- When it happens to you...
0:07:53 > 0:07:58- ..you wouldn't change Steff - for the world.
0:07:58 > 0:08:00- Something else takes over.
0:08:01 > 0:08:04- A deep, deep, deep bond - takes over...
0:08:06 > 0:08:08- ..which takes us back - to the letter.
0:08:11 > 0:08:13- How did she do that?
0:08:13 > 0:08:17- There's must have been - something very, very definite...
0:08:17 > 0:08:19- ..driving her on to do that.
0:08:20 > 0:08:24- I don't believe... It's not - a matter of believing, I know...
0:08:24 > 0:08:28- ..that I could never ever - have done that.
0:08:31 > 0:08:36- Iestyn wants to restart the search - for Mary Rose Donnelly.
0:08:36 > 0:08:41- He's meeting Theresa Ryan - from the After Adoption charity.
0:08:42 > 0:08:48- The best way to start is for you to - tell me why you reached this point.
0:08:48 > 0:08:53- I can see from the documents that - you did some research 20 years ago.
0:08:54 > 0:08:56- You've restarted now.
0:08:57 > 0:08:59- I'd reached the point...
0:08:59 > 0:09:04- ..where I'd received - a pile of death certificates...
0:09:05 > 0:09:07- ..in Mary's name...
0:09:07 > 0:09:10- ..and, of course, - that's rather depressing.
0:09:11 > 0:09:15- There comes a point when you say, - "Well, do I want to carry on?"
0:09:15 > 0:09:18- I felt we weren't going anywhere.
0:09:19 > 0:09:23- I don't think she's still alive.
0:09:23 > 0:09:27- I base that on the fact that my - adopted mother is no longer with us.
0:09:27 > 0:09:32- Theresa tries to discover - one fact that's lost in the papers.
0:09:32 > 0:09:35- Mary Rose Donnelly's birthdate.
0:09:35 > 0:09:40- Without it, it will be difficult to - discover more information about her.
0:09:40 > 0:09:45- For Iestyn, his aim is to see - a photo of his biological mother.
0:09:45 > 0:09:47- You said you wanted a photo.
0:09:47 > 0:09:49- You said you wanted a photo.- - I'd be happy with a photo.
0:09:49 > 0:09:52- I'd be happy with a photo - I could hang on the wall.
0:09:52 > 0:09:57- I'd like to know more about her. - She sounds like an alright person.
0:09:57 > 0:10:01- This can take a week. - A month. Six months.
0:10:01 > 0:10:02- Six years.
0:10:03 > 0:10:05- We don't know...
0:10:05 > 0:10:11- ..how quickly the information - will emerge and see what's what.
0:10:11 > 0:10:13- Good luck to you.
0:10:17 > 0:10:20- I like to think I'm in control - most of the time...
0:10:20 > 0:10:22- ..but I've started something now.
0:10:23 > 0:10:27- Maybe, maybe, maybe, I'll manage - to do something with this.
0:10:27 > 0:10:31- I might come out of this - with something concrete.
0:10:31 > 0:10:34- Of course, - we don't know what that is yet.
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0:10:55 > 0:11:00- Iestyn Garlick has been searching - for his natural mother for 20 years.
0:11:00 > 0:11:06- Today, he hopes to discover if all - the searching has been a success.
0:11:06 > 0:11:12- He's in Pembroke Dock, in the street - where he was adopted as a baby...
0:11:12 > 0:11:16- ..by Elin and Raymond Garlick, - back in 1952.
0:11:17 > 0:11:19- I'm surprised - the street's still here.
0:11:19 > 0:11:24- There was a school - where the chemist now stands.
0:11:28 > 0:11:30- Number 10.
0:11:34 > 0:11:37- I don't think it was painted green - when we lived here.
0:11:37 > 0:11:40- It's in good condition.
0:11:41 > 0:11:43- This was my first home.
0:11:43 > 0:11:46- For the first months - of my life here...
0:11:46 > 0:11:48- ..I had no cot - - I slept in a drawer.
0:11:49 > 0:11:53- Straight up - they didn't close - the drawer, they pulled it out.
0:11:53 > 0:11:55- Don't misunderstand.
0:11:56 > 0:12:01- I have a photo of him - standing here holding the pram.
0:12:01 > 0:12:06- I had an incredible start in life.
0:12:07 > 0:12:11- There aren't enough words - to express my appreciation to them.
0:12:11 > 0:12:16- Every child who's been adopted - will have something similar to say.
0:12:16 > 0:12:23- They never start searching for - their natural father or mother...
0:12:23 > 0:12:28- ..while their adoptive parents - are still alive.
0:12:28 > 0:12:32- There's something - in the back of your mind...
0:12:32 > 0:12:35- ..where you think, "I don't want - to hurt their feelings.
0:12:35 > 0:12:38- "They've given me - such a great life."
0:12:38 > 0:12:42- You just don't do it. I didn't.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45- Sometimes you regret - you didn't start searching earlier.
0:12:46 > 0:12:47- I can't turn back the clock.
0:12:50 > 0:12:54- 18 months have passed since - Theresa Ryan started searching...
0:12:54 > 0:12:58- ..for Mary Rose Donnelly, - Iestyn's biological mother.
0:12:58 > 0:13:03- Both have arranged to meet - in Pembroke Dock town hall.
0:13:03 > 0:13:06- Do you know where we are now? - I saw you looking around earlier.
0:13:07 > 0:13:09- I don't, no. Is it the town hall?
0:13:10 > 0:13:14- It's the town hall now - but it was the court in the 1950s...
0:13:14 > 0:13:16- ..when you were adopted.
0:13:16 > 0:13:21- Raymond and Elin Garlick came here.
0:13:21 > 0:13:27- The judge granted the adoption order - in this court.
0:13:27 > 0:13:30- Is that still the case?
0:13:30 > 0:13:36- The... The adopters - must attend court, yes.
0:13:37 > 0:13:38- Oh, right.
0:13:38 > 0:13:42- When Mary Rose - gave her child up for adoption...
0:13:42 > 0:13:46- ..the court asked her - to fill out a questionnaire.
0:13:46 > 0:13:49- Theresa has found Mary Rose - Donnelly's questionnaire.
0:13:49 > 0:13:53- Here is written, - Infant Kevin Augustine Donnelly.
0:13:53 > 0:13:58- Date of birth, 13 July. - Information about your mother.
0:13:58 > 0:14:05- She worked - in residential homes for children.
0:14:07 > 0:14:09- As a children's nurse.
0:14:09 > 0:14:11- Really?
0:14:11 > 0:14:14- At the time, - she worked in Nazareth House.
0:14:14 > 0:14:17- In Rednal, Birmingham.
0:14:18 > 0:14:20- That's where she worked at the time.
0:14:21 > 0:14:25- When she was expecting you, - she lived in Birmingham.
0:14:25 > 0:14:29- She moved to Swansea - and gave birth to her baby.
0:14:29 > 0:14:31- I can only thank her for that!
0:14:34 > 0:14:35- Seriously.
0:14:38 > 0:14:41- Oh, mother! Birmingham.
0:14:42 > 0:14:46- I've found a letter - that was written...
0:14:47 > 0:14:50- ..to the children's department - in Birmingham.
0:14:50 > 0:14:54- Dear Sir, will you please note - that Miss Donnelly is known...
0:14:54 > 0:14:58- ..at Nazareth House, Rednal, - and is anxious...
0:14:58 > 0:15:01- ..that her circumstances - should not be known there.
0:15:02 > 0:15:07- In view of this, she has asked - that any correspondence...
0:15:07 > 0:15:13- ..be addressed c/o Miss Moriarty, - 28 Cromwell Road, Rugby.
0:15:13 > 0:15:17- That's... - It's not my place to say it.
0:15:18 > 0:15:20- It suggests that she's embarrassed.
0:15:20 > 0:15:25- This is the reason Mary gave - for giving you up for adoption.
0:15:25 > 0:15:30- She feels it is in - the best interests of the child...
0:15:30 > 0:15:34- ..and unable - to support him satisfactorily.
0:15:35 > 0:15:38- When did the parent - part with the infant?
0:15:38 > 0:15:40- 24 July '52.
0:15:43 > 0:15:45- Ten days...
0:15:46 > 0:15:48- ..after I was born.
0:15:50 > 0:15:53- Poor woman. Pity.
0:15:55 > 0:16:00- Mary Rose worked in Nazareth House, - Birmingham...
0:16:00 > 0:16:03- ..a home for orphaned children.
0:16:03 > 0:16:08- She lived at the house and received - an income of 2 a month.
0:16:09 > 0:16:12- This is your mother's birthdate.
0:16:13 > 0:16:14- Right.
0:16:15 > 0:16:18- This shows that she was 41 - when you were born.
0:16:18 > 0:16:22- She was born on 16 June 1911.
0:16:23 > 0:16:26- Goodness. She was quite old then.
0:16:26 > 0:16:28- In relative terms.
0:16:28 > 0:16:33- I wanted to know - if she was still alive.
0:16:35 > 0:16:37- She died...
0:16:39 > 0:16:41- ..in 2008.
0:16:41 > 0:16:43- Dear me.
0:16:43 > 0:16:46- She was 97 when she died.
0:16:51 > 0:16:53- 2008.
0:16:53 > 0:16:55- When I started doing this...
0:16:58 > 0:17:01- ..over 20 years ago, - when I started the process...
0:17:04 > 0:17:07- ..had you been with me back then...
0:17:07 > 0:17:09- ..I may well have met her.
0:17:13 > 0:17:15- 2008.
0:17:19 > 0:17:23- I think, Iestyn, - I've discovered things...
0:17:24 > 0:17:27- ..I didn't think I'd discover.
0:17:28 > 0:17:31- Here's the interesting part.
0:17:31 > 0:17:34- Are there any other children? - Yes.
0:17:36 > 0:17:38- She already had another child.
0:17:45 > 0:17:47- Carry on. I'm glad I'm sitting down.
0:17:48 > 0:17:52- You have... You have a brother.
0:17:53 > 0:17:55- He was born in 1949.
0:17:59 > 0:18:00- That would mean...
0:18:00 > 0:18:03- That would mean...- - He's three years older than me then.
0:18:06 > 0:18:08- I have a brother.
0:18:09 > 0:18:10- You did have then.
0:18:10 > 0:18:12- Back then.
0:18:15 > 0:18:18- Whatever happened to him, - wherever he is...
0:18:18 > 0:18:21- ..dead or alive, - he's still my brother.
0:18:22 > 0:18:24- Did this other child have a name?
0:18:24 > 0:18:26- Dermott Donnelly.
0:18:30 > 0:18:33- Dermott Donnelly.
0:18:33 > 0:18:34- And Kevin.
0:18:35 > 0:18:41- Can I ask if you know where he is, - where does he live?
0:18:41 > 0:18:45- Are you asking me - to search for your brother?
0:18:45 > 0:18:49- Yes. There's only - three years between us.
0:18:50 > 0:18:56- There's a strong possibility - that he's still alive somewhere.
0:18:56 > 0:18:58- It's better if we stopped now.
0:18:58 > 0:19:03- You've done something to me day - - I'm not sure what!
0:19:11 > 0:19:17- I'm not sure what I expected - from Theresa this morning.
0:19:18 > 0:19:22- The notion that I have - a half-brother somewhere...
0:19:22 > 0:19:25- ..is strange - - I'm not sure what to make of it.
0:19:26 > 0:19:30- I don't know if I truly - want to meet him.
0:19:30 > 0:19:35- I don't know if he wants to meet me - - he might not know about me.
0:19:35 > 0:19:37- I've never thought about it.
0:19:40 > 0:19:42- Hiya, it's me.
0:19:42 > 0:19:44- I have a brother.
0:19:44 > 0:19:47- You have a what? Brother?
0:19:47 > 0:19:49- My God!
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0:20:10 > 0:20:14- A fortnight after Iestyn Garlick - discovered he had a brother...
0:20:14 > 0:20:20- ..he's heading to the After - Adoption agency in Liverpool...
0:20:20 > 0:20:22- ..to hear more news.
0:20:22 > 0:20:27- It's a very strange feeling to - discover that I have a brother...
0:20:27 > 0:20:29- ..or a half-brother.
0:20:29 > 0:20:31- I'm not sure.
0:20:32 > 0:20:35- I don't truly know - how I feel about that.
0:20:35 > 0:20:39- He's discovered that his mother, - Mary Rose Donnelly...
0:20:40 > 0:20:44- ..put him up for adoption - in a home called Nazareth House...
0:20:44 > 0:20:46- ..ten days after he was born.
0:20:47 > 0:20:52- She had another son, Dermott - Donnelly, who was three years older.
0:20:53 > 0:20:57- Iestyn asked Theresa Ryan - to search for more information...
0:20:58 > 0:21:01- ..about his biological mother - and his brother.
0:21:01 > 0:21:05- What I've done is started the search - for your brother.
0:21:06 > 0:21:12- To do that, I started with - your mother's death certificate.
0:21:13 > 0:21:14- Right.
0:21:14 > 0:21:16- I have that here.
0:21:17 > 0:21:20- She died in the London borough - of Barnet.
0:21:24 > 0:21:28- She died on 17 November 2008...
0:21:28 > 0:21:31- ..in Nazareth House, Finchley.
0:21:32 > 0:21:34- I didn't expect that.
0:21:34 > 0:21:40- Her association with Nazareth House - has been very close.
0:21:40 > 0:21:42- She never married.
0:21:42 > 0:21:44- OK.
0:21:44 > 0:21:47- Her date of birth, 16 June 1911.
0:21:47 > 0:21:52- In Pomeroy, County Tyrone. - Northern Ireland.
0:21:52 > 0:21:55- Really? Pomeroy, Tyrone.
0:21:57 > 0:22:01- Pomeroy, County Tyrone. - You know what I'll do next.
0:22:01 > 0:22:04- I'll Google Pomeroy, County Tyrone.
0:22:04 > 0:22:07- I've already done that.
0:22:07 > 0:22:12- It shows that only 600 people - live there now.
0:22:12 > 0:22:16- It's a Catholic area. Well, it was.
0:22:16 > 0:22:19- When we look at informants...
0:22:19 > 0:22:23- ..we read the name Dermott Donnelly.
0:22:25 > 0:22:26- Son.
0:22:27 > 0:22:34- At the time he registered - the death of Mary Rose...
0:22:34 > 0:22:38- ..he also lived in Finchley, London.
0:22:38 > 0:22:40- This suggests that she...
0:22:45 > 0:22:47- ..stayed in touch...
0:22:48 > 0:22:52- ..but she was in touch - with the first son, Dermott.
0:22:52 > 0:22:53- I would say...
0:22:54 > 0:22:58- ..well, I don't know, but I would - say that they kept in touch...
0:22:59 > 0:23:02- ..because he registered her death.
0:23:03 > 0:23:07- It appears that Mary Rose - had kept her first son, Dermott...
0:23:08 > 0:23:12- ..and given her second son, Iestyn, - up for adoption.
0:23:12 > 0:23:16- I then asked Jack, my researcher...
0:23:17 > 0:23:21- ..if he could discover more...
0:23:21 > 0:23:23- ..about Dermott.
0:23:26 > 0:23:29- Jack's discovered an address...
0:23:29 > 0:23:34- ..where he thinks there's a strong - possibility Dermott lives.
0:23:39 > 0:23:40- So...
0:23:43 > 0:23:44- ..what's the next step?
0:23:45 > 0:23:48- It's up to you. Do you want us - to try and contact him?
0:23:48 > 0:23:50- Yes, yes.
0:23:50 > 0:23:56- It's not clear to me and I'm sure - it's not possible to be clear...
0:23:56 > 0:24:02- At what stage do you reach - the point of no return?
0:24:05 > 0:24:10- You can see the can of worms - without actually opening it.
0:24:11 > 0:24:13- When we contact people.
0:24:13 > 0:24:17- You have to think - where this will take us.
0:24:18 > 0:24:21- Do we want that? - What does it mean to them?
0:24:22 > 0:24:25- We have a responsibility - for them too.
0:24:25 > 0:24:26- Yes, yes.
0:24:27 > 0:24:33- Iestyn wants to know how the news - will be broken to Dermott.
0:24:33 > 0:24:36- Theresa takes him - to the After Adoption office...
0:24:36 > 0:24:39- ..to show him the letter - that will be sent.
0:24:41 > 0:24:43- Can I read this?
0:24:43 > 0:24:44- Can I read this?- - We'll go through it.
0:24:44 > 0:24:49- Dear Mr Donnelly, - you state who you are...
0:24:49 > 0:24:53- ..you state what you do - as an organisation.
0:24:53 > 0:24:56- We have been contacted - by an adopted person...
0:24:56 > 0:24:59- ..who has been trying - to trace his birth family.
0:25:00 > 0:25:05- Our research tells us that he - was related to Mary Rose Donnelly.
0:25:05 > 0:25:09- He is also looking for any other - birth relatives he might have.
0:25:10 > 0:25:14- You've stated your reason - for doing so.
0:25:15 > 0:25:18- Then you explain - that you think he is the son...
0:25:19 > 0:25:21- ..of the same Mary Rose Donnelly.
0:25:21 > 0:25:27- You say you'll post this at some - point the beginning of next week.
0:25:27 > 0:25:30- This will be sent on Tuesday.
0:25:30 > 0:25:31- 31st.
0:25:32 > 0:25:34- After the bank holiday.
0:25:34 > 0:25:37- I'll print it now.
0:25:39 > 0:25:41- I'll get it.
0:25:44 > 0:25:48- As the day has worn on, - my situation has changed.
0:25:48 > 0:25:52- I'm not jealous, by the way. - Before anyone asks.
0:25:52 > 0:25:57- I'm not jealous that he had the time - with her and I didn't.
0:25:58 > 0:26:00- That's not an issue.
0:26:00 > 0:26:05- It would have been sad had she not - known one of us during her lifetime.
0:26:05 > 0:26:07- It's clear that she knew one.
0:26:07 > 0:26:10- That one might not know - about the other.
0:26:17 > 0:26:19- I'll sign my name there.
0:26:19 > 0:26:20- I can put it in...
0:26:21 > 0:26:25- ..and one of the staff will send it.
0:26:36 > 0:26:41- The day after the letter was posted, - Theresa's asked Iestyn to phone her.
0:26:45 > 0:26:48- Hello, Iestyn.
0:26:48 > 0:26:50- I have an update for you.
0:26:51 > 0:26:55- Dermott has responded.
0:26:55 > 0:26:58- He didn't hang around.
0:26:58 > 0:27:01- He responded with an email.
0:27:01 > 0:27:05- It was a little bit of a shock, - I think.
0:27:05 > 0:27:11- He wants to know how you think - you're related to him.
0:27:11 > 0:27:14- I'll email him tonight - and ask him to ring me tomorrow.
0:27:15 > 0:27:17- Let me know.
0:27:18 > 0:27:20- I will.
0:27:20 > 0:27:22- Ta-ra.
0:27:25 > 0:27:29- That was... - That was a little bit unexpected.
0:27:31 > 0:27:37- It's becoming clear that Mary Rose - kept the information from him.
0:27:37 > 0:27:40- It would have been - a disappointment to him...
0:27:40 > 0:27:43- ..but that disappointment - exists now.
0:27:48 > 0:27:52- A week has passed - since the phone call.
0:27:53 > 0:27:57- Theresa wants to meet Iestyn - face to face.
0:27:58 > 0:28:03- It'll be interesting to see - what Theresa has to say...
0:28:03 > 0:28:05- ..when she arrives.
0:28:06 > 0:28:10- The fact that he had no idea - about me.
0:28:11 > 0:28:17- Any mother must be aware - of her child's date of birth.
0:28:18 > 0:28:25- She must have shared it with someone - but not with her son.
0:28:27 > 0:28:28- Hiya.
0:28:29 > 0:28:31- Hi, Iestyn. How are you?
0:28:31 > 0:28:35- OK? Let's sit outside, - it's a nice day.
0:28:35 > 0:28:37- Since the first phone call...
0:28:37 > 0:28:41- ..Theresa has kept in touch - with Dermott.
0:28:42 > 0:28:44- He was upset.
0:28:44 > 0:28:47- He cried, or he at least - fought back the tears.
0:28:47 > 0:28:50- He said he had no idea.
0:28:52 > 0:28:56- He wanted to know where you lived.
0:28:56 > 0:28:58- I said North Wales.
0:28:58 > 0:29:03- He said he used to climb - in Snowdonia...
0:29:03 > 0:29:07- ..every month, until recently.
0:29:07 > 0:29:12- He said he was going to speak - to a family friend.
0:29:14 > 0:29:17- On Tuesday morning, - he contacted me again.
0:29:17 > 0:29:21- He was a lot better then. - "I'm feeling a lot better," he said.
0:29:21 > 0:29:26- "Her friend, who was a friend of - the family, she knew all about it."
0:29:27 > 0:29:28- No.
0:29:29 > 0:29:30- Interesting.
0:29:31 > 0:29:34- So she had spoken - to her friend about it.
0:29:34 > 0:29:39- I've always thought - that it would be very difficult...
0:29:39 > 0:29:44- ..to keep that kind of secret - to yourself for such a long time.
0:29:44 > 0:29:48- I'm glad she was able - to have that release.
0:29:50 > 0:29:54- His mother had lived with him - until she was 90.
0:29:56 > 0:30:00- When she was about 90, - she had Alzheimer's.
0:30:03 > 0:30:06- After a while, she needed care.
0:30:06 > 0:30:09- What's interesting - about where she's buried...
0:30:09 > 0:30:11- ..they took her back to Pomeroy...
0:30:15 > 0:30:17- She's buried in Pomeroy.
0:30:17 > 0:30:19- Pomeroy.
0:30:20 > 0:30:23- He said he'd like some contact.
0:30:23 > 0:30:28- I asked him - how he'd like that to happen.
0:30:29 > 0:30:31- A letter, email?
0:30:31 > 0:30:34- He said he would be happy - with either.
0:30:35 > 0:30:41- I presume a hand-written letter...
0:30:42 > 0:30:44- ..would be...
0:30:46 > 0:30:48- ..would be the right thing to do.
0:30:48 > 0:30:50- I could include...
0:30:50 > 0:30:52- I could include...- - Not too long either.
0:30:52 > 0:30:54- Just to make that contact.
0:30:55 > 0:30:58- It appears that I won't only - have a photo...
0:30:59 > 0:31:04- ..but there's the potential - of having a photo...
0:31:04 > 0:31:06- ..of me with my brother.
0:31:07 > 0:31:09- So, Theresa, I can only thank you.
0:31:09 > 0:31:11- Thank you very much. Incredible.
0:31:16 > 0:31:19- Now that Iestyn has - Dermott's address in London...
0:31:19 > 0:31:22- ..he's writing a letter - to his brother.
0:31:22 > 0:31:25- We'll do it on your thing.
0:31:28 > 0:31:30- Do you know what you'll write?
0:31:31 > 0:31:35- I think I'll stun him - by starting Dear Dermott...!
0:31:35 > 0:31:37- Hello, Dermott.
0:31:37 > 0:31:39- I'm so glad for him.
0:31:39 > 0:31:41- He only wanted a photo.
0:31:41 > 0:31:44- He would have been happy - with a photo of Mary Rose.
0:31:44 > 0:31:47- Then he discovered everything else.
0:31:47 > 0:31:51- I hope that in time - we'll be able to meet face to face.
0:31:51 > 0:31:55- How do you end a letter like this? - What do you say?
0:31:56 > 0:31:57- Yours faithfully?
0:31:57 > 0:31:58- Yours faithfully?- - Best wishes?
0:31:59 > 0:32:01- This is just amazing.
0:32:01 > 0:32:03- Just to think...
0:32:03 > 0:32:05- ..they might finally meet.
0:32:05 > 0:32:07- It'd be great.
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0:32:30 > 0:32:36- 20 years ago, Iestyn Garlick started - searching for his biological mother.
0:32:36 > 0:32:38- Mary Rose Donnelly.
0:32:38 > 0:32:41- He's heading to London - to meet Mary Rose's eldest son...
0:32:41 > 0:32:46- ..for the first time - - Dermott Donnelly, his brother.
0:32:46 > 0:32:49- He's agreed to meet today - for the first time...
0:32:49 > 0:32:52- ..on neutral ground, in London.
0:32:52 > 0:32:57- I've brought this picture - of where I walk the dog.
0:32:58 > 0:33:00- Myself and Lynne, my wife.
0:33:00 > 0:33:03- It's a picture of Llanberis Lake.
0:33:04 > 0:33:06- On the back I've written...
0:33:06 > 0:33:12- ..A memento - of a momentous meeting in London.
0:33:12 > 0:33:14- Iestyn and Dermott.
0:33:14 > 0:33:16- Fair play to the man.
0:33:16 > 0:33:20- I've always known - that I was adopted.
0:33:20 > 0:33:26- He's only known for six weeks - that he has a brother.
0:33:26 > 0:33:30- Not only a brother, - but a younger brother.
0:33:32 > 0:33:37- Hand on heart, I have no idea - what I'm going to do...
0:33:37 > 0:33:41- ..and how I'm going to react because - I don't know what he's going to do.
0:33:42 > 0:33:47- If he comes in and goes "alright", - so be it.
0:33:48 > 0:33:50- He'll get an "alright" back.
0:33:56 > 0:34:00- They're meeting in a hotel - in central London.
0:34:00 > 0:34:01- Oh, God.
0:34:24 > 0:34:25- I don't know.
0:34:32 > 0:34:33- Dermott.
0:34:33 > 0:34:35- Dermott.- - I promised I wouldn't do this.
0:34:37 > 0:34:39- I just...
0:34:42 > 0:34:44- Come and sit down, - come and sit down.
0:34:44 > 0:34:46- What a joy.
0:34:47 > 0:34:51- So immensely grateful - that you agreed to meet me.
0:34:51 > 0:34:56- I've had 60-odd years to be - completely happy and comfortable...
0:34:56 > 0:34:59- ..with the idea of being adopted.
0:34:59 > 0:35:03- There was always a possibility - that there might be family...
0:35:03 > 0:35:04- ..but who knew?
0:35:04 > 0:35:07- You've had six weeks.
0:35:07 > 0:35:09- It's amazing.
0:35:09 > 0:35:12- The first I knew about it - was exactly 29 days ago.
0:35:12 > 0:35:14- Right, well...
0:35:14 > 0:35:18- I had no inkling, nothing, - not the slightest hint ever.
0:35:18 > 0:35:20- And here we are.
0:35:20 > 0:35:23- I've brought you something. - It's a simple gift.
0:35:25 > 0:35:27- You're the only gift that I'd want.
0:35:28 > 0:35:30- That's very kind.
0:35:30 > 0:35:32- It's Llanberis Lake.
0:35:32 > 0:35:34- That's the foot of Snowdon.
0:35:34 > 0:35:39- As you know, I used to climb - and walk all around Snowdonia.
0:35:39 > 0:35:42- To think all those years, - we were a mile or two apart.
0:35:43 > 0:35:46- Probably passed - the bottom of our lane.
0:35:46 > 0:35:51- I always had a great affinity - with North Wales - now I know why.
0:35:51 > 0:35:55- A memento of a momentous meeting - in London. Absolutely.
0:35:56 > 0:35:58- I have some photographs.
0:36:01 > 0:36:02- That's what she was.
0:36:03 > 0:36:05- That's what she was like, - in the '70s, '80s.
0:36:10 > 0:36:12- Probably on the back.
0:36:12 > 0:36:13- Rhodes.
0:36:13 > 0:36:16- I have a picture of myself - standing there.
0:36:17 > 0:36:19- It's amazing.
0:36:20 > 0:36:21- Kos.
0:36:23 > 0:36:25- Do you know I go to Kos every year?
0:36:26 > 0:36:27- Really, all I...
0:36:28 > 0:36:31- ..I was hoping for was...
0:36:31 > 0:36:34- ..maybe somewhere - somebody might have...
0:36:35 > 0:36:38- ..a grainy black and white picture - or something.
0:36:38 > 0:36:40- This is more than that.
0:36:40 > 0:36:43- She... It's so surreal.
0:36:43 > 0:36:45- You can keep these.
0:36:45 > 0:36:47- Really?
0:36:48 > 0:36:51- I have 63 years. You're entitled.
0:36:52 > 0:36:54- That's...
0:36:55 > 0:36:56- That's very kind.
0:36:57 > 0:36:59- You look very much like her.
0:36:59 > 0:37:01- Certainly from there, you do.
0:37:01 > 0:37:04- You look very like her.
0:37:04 > 0:37:08- I look at these pictures - and I sort of wonder...
0:37:09 > 0:37:12- ..if only I'd persevered - 25 years ago.
0:37:13 > 0:37:16- I just wish - I'd been able to tell her...
0:37:16 > 0:37:20- ..I really have had - the most marvellous life.
0:37:20 > 0:37:23- I've been so lucky - and I've been so blessed.
0:37:23 > 0:37:26- She would be so pleased with that.
0:37:26 > 0:37:29- Let's assume - that she's looking down at us.
0:37:30 > 0:37:32- This has been phenomenal.
0:37:32 > 0:37:33- I can't...
0:37:40 > 0:37:43- I said this wouldn't happen.
0:37:43 > 0:37:45- With a stiff upper lip.
0:37:45 > 0:37:47- That's just for the English.
0:37:47 > 0:37:50- Just for the bloody English.
0:37:50 > 0:37:54- We are, after all, - half-Welsh, half-Irish now.
0:37:54 > 0:37:55- Absolutely.
0:37:55 > 0:37:58- I tell you what. - Do you fancy a drink?
0:37:58 > 0:38:00- Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
0:38:00 > 0:38:02- Oh, yes. Oh, yes.- - Let's go and do that.
0:38:08 > 0:38:12- From the moment he walked in - through the door...
0:38:12 > 0:38:14- ..there was a connection.
0:38:14 > 0:38:16- It was a strong connection.
0:38:16 > 0:38:18- He cried...
0:38:19 > 0:38:21- ..and that made me cry.
0:38:23 > 0:38:26- I've never in my life - been so glad to cry.
0:38:28 > 0:38:31- Having gone through this - for 63 years...
0:38:32 > 0:38:34- ..not a word, not a hint, nothing.
0:38:34 > 0:38:38- I am still stunned. - Absolutely delighted.
0:38:38 > 0:38:41- All my life I've wanted a brother, - or a sibling.
0:38:41 > 0:38:44- Now I've got one. - She will be horrified.
0:38:44 > 0:38:47- Sadly couldn't give all - to both of us.
0:38:47 > 0:38:52- But I know she's looking down - and yes, she will be happy.
0:38:52 > 0:38:54- She will be happy.
0:38:58 > 0:38:59- Wonderful.
0:39:00 > 0:39:04- Don't cry. This is the beginning - of something special.
0:39:04 > 0:39:06- Here's your painting.
0:39:06 > 0:39:11- Dermott has agreed to contact - Mary Rose's best friend...
0:39:12 > 0:39:16- ..and the only person - who knew about Iestyn's existence.
0:39:17 > 0:39:19- In the adoption papers...
0:39:19 > 0:39:22- ..Mary Rose requested - that any correspondence be sent...
0:39:22 > 0:39:25- ..to Miss Moriarty, - Cromwell Road, Rugby.
0:39:25 > 0:39:27- Auntie Peggy's address.
0:39:28 > 0:39:33- She lives in Rugby to this day. - Iestyn's on his way to visit her.
0:39:33 > 0:39:38- When Dermott came to know about me - and that I wanted to meet her...
0:39:39 > 0:39:42- ..he contacted her - and she said something like...
0:39:42 > 0:39:45- .."Oh, you've found out."
0:39:45 > 0:39:49- So, I'm looking forward immensely - to meeting her.
0:39:49 > 0:39:54- She'll be able to tell me things - that no-one else could tell me.
0:39:57 > 0:40:01- She might not say a thing. - She's been silent for 60-odd years.
0:40:02 > 0:40:04- Why should today change things?
0:40:22 > 0:40:23- Hello.
0:40:23 > 0:40:25- Hello.- - Hello, how are you?
0:40:25 > 0:40:27- I'm Iestyn, or Kevin.
0:40:27 > 0:40:29- Lovely to see you.
0:40:30 > 0:40:32- Can I give you these, - in way of a gift.
0:40:32 > 0:40:33- Gorgeous.
0:40:34 > 0:40:37- I've got so many questions - I'd like to ask you...
0:40:37 > 0:40:39- ..if you're happy to answer them.
0:40:39 > 0:40:41- Yes, as many as I can.
0:40:42 > 0:40:45- Your mother - was a very dear friend of mine.
0:40:45 > 0:40:48- She was really a lovely lady.
0:40:48 > 0:40:50- Please come in.
0:40:52 > 0:40:55- Did she ever wonder what happened?
0:40:55 > 0:41:00- No. Whether she wondered or not, - I don't know.
0:41:00 > 0:41:01- She didn't share it.
0:41:04 > 0:41:08- She wanted to just concentrate - on Dermott.
0:41:09 > 0:41:13- She wanted you to be happy...
0:41:13 > 0:41:20- ..with a new family - and they would be your parents.
0:41:21 > 0:41:22- That's what she wanted.
0:41:22 > 0:41:24- That's what she wanted.- - Did you...
0:41:25 > 0:41:27- You don't have to answer this.
0:41:27 > 0:41:29- Did you ever meet my father?
0:41:30 > 0:41:34- Very... one... no, twice.
0:41:34 > 0:41:37- It wasn't a good time - while she was pregnant.
0:41:37 > 0:41:39- It was not a good time for her.
0:41:43 > 0:41:47- He wasn't very kind to her. - He didn't harm her.
0:41:48 > 0:41:49- Not supportive.
0:41:49 > 0:41:51- Not supportive.- - He wasn't supportive.
0:41:51 > 0:41:57- So why did she go - from Birmingham to Swansea?
0:41:57 > 0:42:00- Because he was down there. - He'd moved down there.
0:42:01 > 0:42:02- That's why she went down there.
0:42:02 > 0:42:04- That's why she went down there.- - I didn't know that.
0:42:05 > 0:42:10- Gosh. - She followed him down to Swansea?
0:42:10 > 0:42:11- She needed to.
0:42:12 > 0:42:15- She needed somebody - to look after her.
0:42:16 > 0:42:19- Oh, right. I had no idea.
0:42:19 > 0:42:21- It's taken me - completely by surprise.
0:42:22 > 0:42:26- I'm very sorry - that I can't help anymore...
0:42:26 > 0:42:29- ..because for one thing...
0:42:29 > 0:42:33- ..I didn't question her too much...
0:42:33 > 0:42:37- ..because I knew - she didn't want to be questioned.
0:42:40 > 0:42:45- Mary Rose Donnelly kept her youngest - son a secret from the world...
0:42:45 > 0:42:47- ..for over 60 years.
0:42:48 > 0:42:54- For Iestyn, there's one place to - visit to put an end to the search.
0:42:54 > 0:42:57- With his wife Lynne, - he's heading to Mary Rose's grave...
0:42:58 > 0:43:00- ..in Pomeroy, Northern Ireland.
0:43:00 > 0:43:04- To take them there - is Dermott Donnelly.
0:43:08 > 0:43:11- It's still like the first time. - Brilliant!
0:43:11 > 0:43:12- You OK?
0:43:12 > 0:43:14- You OK?- - I'm really good, really good.
0:43:14 > 0:43:15- This is Lynne.
0:43:15 > 0:43:17- This is Lynne.- - Lynne, you're gorgeous!
0:43:18 > 0:43:19- This is your sister-in-law.
0:43:19 > 0:43:22- This is your sister-in-law.- - I've always wanted a sister-in-law.
0:43:22 > 0:43:24- Wonderful.
0:43:30 > 0:43:35- Before heading to the cemetery, they - visit Mary Rose's church in Pomeroy.
0:43:44 > 0:43:47- It's a beautiful church. I know - she was very, very happy here.
0:43:48 > 0:43:51- It holds many memories, - and still does.
0:43:51 > 0:43:53- It was a big part of her life.
0:43:53 > 0:43:56- It was a big part of her life.- - Huge part, huge part, growing up.
0:43:56 > 0:43:59- It's very emotional, isn't it?
0:44:00 > 0:44:03- I know it's a cliche, - but he's happier.
0:44:03 > 0:44:07- Everything about him, - a weight has been lifted...
0:44:07 > 0:44:09- ..if that makes sense.
0:44:09 > 0:44:14- Knowing that there's someone else - on this Earth related to you.
0:44:15 > 0:44:17- He sees himself in Dermott.
0:44:19 > 0:44:22- I hope Mum is looking down - as we are in her church.
0:44:23 > 0:44:26- That she says yes, I did - the right thing. I think she did.
0:44:27 > 0:44:29- Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
0:44:36 > 0:44:37- Oh, yes.
0:44:41 > 0:44:43- It's something - I've wanted to do for years.
0:44:44 > 0:44:48- I've always wanted - to visit her grave.
0:44:55 > 0:44:58- I never knew - if I could actually find it.
0:45:00 > 0:45:03- If you think back - to January of this year...
0:45:03 > 0:45:08- ..where I more or less thought - this was never going to happen.
0:45:09 > 0:45:11- Then it started building.
0:45:30 > 0:45:31- There she is.
0:45:41 > 0:45:43- Molly.
0:45:49 > 0:45:51- I don't know.
0:45:51 > 0:45:54- It's something. I don't know what.
0:45:56 > 0:45:58- I wonder what she's making of it?
0:46:01 > 0:46:04- It was something very special, - wasn't it?
0:46:05 > 0:46:08- Kevin, Dermott and Molly Donnelly...
0:46:11 > 0:46:12- ..all together...
0:46:13 > 0:46:15- ..for the first time ever.
0:46:16 > 0:46:18- That happened here.
0:46:19 > 0:46:21- Slate Quarry cemetery.
0:46:21 > 0:46:23- County Tyrone.
0:46:34 > 0:46:35- OK.
0:46:56 > 0:47:00- Six months after meeting - for the first time...
0:47:00 > 0:47:04- ..the two brothers - have kept in touch.
0:47:04 > 0:47:06- They speak every Sunday night - on the phone...
0:47:07 > 0:47:09- ..and hope to return - to Northern Ireland soon...
0:47:10 > 0:47:11- ..to meet the rest of the family.
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