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0:00:03 > 0:00:07- On 25 March 1971, a squad - of 30 players was selected...
0:00:08 > 0:00:13- ..to represent the British Lions - for the summer tour to New Zealand.
0:00:14 > 0:00:18- Thirteen Welshmen, six Irishmen, - six Englishmen and five Scots...
0:00:19 > 0:00:22- ..hoping to become - the first British touring party...
0:00:23 > 0:00:26- ..to win a test series - against the All Blacks.
0:00:26 > 0:00:30- I'm sure - it's every rugby player's dream.
0:00:31 > 0:00:36- It was a huge experience for me, - one that I'll honestly never forget.
0:00:37 > 0:00:40- I don't think we were confident...
0:00:40 > 0:00:44- ..certainly when I look back at it.
0:00:44 > 0:00:48- Yes, we had confidence - in ourselves as players.
0:00:49 > 0:00:52- But beating the All Blacks? - No, I don't think we thought that.
0:00:53 > 0:00:56- That summer's dramatic - and controversial events...
0:00:57 > 0:01:01- ..in Wales and New Zealand, were - turning points in rugby history.
0:01:01 > 0:01:04- Rugby was never the same - after the 1971 tour.
0:01:05 > 0:01:08- The '71 Lions, - coached by Carwyn James...
0:01:09 > 0:01:12- ..I think changed the face - of New Zealand rugby.
0:01:33 > 0:01:37- In May 1970, - at the East India Club in London...
0:01:37 > 0:01:41- ..the greats of the four home unions - met to select a coach...
0:01:41 > 0:01:44- ..to lead the Lions - on their foreign adventure.
0:01:47 > 0:01:48- The Lions' initial mission...
0:01:49 > 0:01:52- ..was to teach rugby to - British colonies across the world.
0:01:53 > 0:01:56- But for almost a century, - the missionaries lost heavily...
0:01:56 > 0:01:58- ..especially in New Zealand.
0:02:02 > 0:02:05- The post was advertised - in the newspapers.
0:02:05 > 0:02:09- For a West Wales teacher, - this was the dream opportunity.
0:02:10 > 0:02:12- The opportunity to change history.
0:02:12 > 0:02:17- In the old-fashioned tradition, - he was placed on a shortlist...
0:02:18 > 0:02:22- ..and invited for an interview - at London's East India Club.
0:02:23 > 0:02:25- But in order - to attend the interview...
0:02:26 > 0:02:28- ..Carwyn had to change - his arrangements.
0:02:29 > 0:02:31- He was supposed to open - a summer fair...
0:02:32 > 0:02:35- ..in Felinfoel, near Llanelli, - on the same day.
0:02:37 > 0:02:42- Carwyn was a contender for two posts - in the spring of 1970.
0:02:42 > 0:02:43- As well as the Lions...
0:02:44 > 0:02:48- ..he was also a candidate - in that year's general election.
0:02:48 > 0:02:50- In staunchly Labour Llanelli...
0:02:51 > 0:02:54- ..the town's rugby coach - was standing for Plaid Cymru.
0:02:54 > 0:02:57- An election victory - was as unlikely...
0:02:57 > 0:02:59- ..as a Lions series win - in New Zealand.
0:03:01 > 0:03:04- Carwyn was resolute - in his intention.
0:03:04 > 0:03:08- He moved from Llandovery College - to Trinity College...
0:03:09 > 0:03:11- ..to be closer to Llanelli...
0:03:11 > 0:03:16- ..so that he could coach Llanelli - and be in a situation...
0:03:16 > 0:03:22- ..to be appointed not so much - the Wales coach as the Lions coach.
0:03:26 > 0:03:30- What's important to remember - about the 1960s and 1970s...
0:03:30 > 0:03:34- ..is that a lot of people in Wales - feared Plaid Cymru.
0:03:34 > 0:03:38- They were afraid - of what Plaid Cymru stood for.
0:03:38 > 0:03:43- The fact that Carwyn made clear - his support for Plaid Cymru...
0:03:43 > 0:03:46- ..made it difficult for the WRU...
0:03:46 > 0:03:49- ..to appoint him as team coach.
0:03:49 > 0:03:50- It was perhaps easier...
0:03:51 > 0:03:53- ..for someone in London to do so.
0:03:53 > 0:03:58- For them, Plaid Cymru - stood for something different.
0:03:59 > 0:04:03- They saw Plaid Cymru as a party - that stood against the Labour Party.
0:04:03 > 0:04:06- Against a government - they didn't support.
0:04:07 > 0:04:13- Maybe the RFU didn't care - that he was a nationalist.
0:04:13 > 0:04:16- But for people in Cardiff, - for the WRU...
0:04:16 > 0:04:20- ..Carwyn stood for something - that they feared.
0:04:21 > 0:04:23- It's not an easy exercise...
0:04:23 > 0:04:26- ..because you've got - four nations together.
0:04:27 > 0:04:31- All of those players - expect to be in the top test team...
0:04:31 > 0:04:34- ..because they are - for their own country.
0:04:34 > 0:04:37- They've all got - really positive self-esteem...
0:04:37 > 0:04:41- ..so mixing that right - is not an easy task.
0:04:44 > 0:04:48- The squad first got together - in Eastbourne.
0:04:48 > 0:04:51- It was a mix - of experienced Lions, new stars...
0:04:52 > 0:04:56- ..and one man with no international - experience whatsoever.
0:04:58 > 0:05:01- There was some speculation - in the press...
0:05:01 > 0:05:03- ..but not having played for Wales...
0:05:04 > 0:05:07- ..it was more of a hope, - really, from my point of view.
0:05:07 > 0:05:10- But when the name - actually came out of the hat...
0:05:10 > 0:05:14- ..and announced on the radio, which - is how we found out in those days...
0:05:15 > 0:05:18- ..obviously, - there was great excitement.
0:05:18 > 0:05:20- I was thrilled to be part of it.
0:05:21 > 0:05:26- While some waited nervously - for their names to be announced...
0:05:26 > 0:05:30- ..there was no doubt - who would wear the number 10 shirt.
0:05:32 > 0:05:35- Barry John - was Wales' charismatic outside half.
0:05:35 > 0:05:40- Once Carwyn was appointed coach, - there was no doubt that Barry...
0:05:40 > 0:05:43- ..would play the lead role - in the upcoming drama.
0:05:45 > 0:05:50- The relationship between Barry - and Carwyn was totally...
0:05:51 > 0:05:53- It's hard to describe it.
0:05:53 > 0:05:56- It was inherent, - so difficult to describe.
0:05:56 > 0:05:58- They were from the same village.
0:06:00 > 0:06:03- On the field here in Cefneithin...
0:06:03 > 0:06:08- ..Carwyn James carried the boots - of then outside half Iestyn James.
0:06:09 > 0:06:13- When Carwyn was outside half, - who carried Carwyn's boots?
0:06:13 > 0:06:14- Barry John.
0:06:15 > 0:06:18- Barry John - lived on that side of the field...
0:06:19 > 0:06:21- ..and Carwyn - lived on the other side.
0:06:21 > 0:06:23- They faced each other.
0:06:23 > 0:06:24- It was innate.
0:06:24 > 0:06:28- The relationship between them - was instinctive, almost.
0:06:30 > 0:06:34- On 9 May 1971, the Lions - came to Heathrow Airport...
0:06:35 > 0:06:37- ..to start a 12,000-mile journey.
0:06:38 > 0:06:40- The first stop was in Australia.
0:06:41 > 0:06:44- I thought - the organization was fantastic.
0:06:45 > 0:06:50- They got 32 people down the end - of the plane sitting together.
0:06:50 > 0:06:55- Nowadays, the guys turn left - and go up to club class.
0:06:55 > 0:06:59- Obviously, the expense came into it.
0:06:59 > 0:07:01- So, from that point of view...
0:07:01 > 0:07:07- ..flying all the way to Brisbane - arriving on a Monday night...
0:07:07 > 0:07:11- ..and playing on Wednesday - afternoon was quite tough.
0:07:12 > 0:07:16- The first game of the tour was - in Australia, against Queensland.
0:07:16 > 0:07:18- We actually lost that game.
0:07:19 > 0:07:20- One Australia coach said...
0:07:20 > 0:07:23- ..it was the worst Lions team - they'd ever seen.
0:07:31 > 0:07:35- I'd read what the press - were saying about us...
0:07:35 > 0:07:38- ..especially in New Zealand.
0:07:38 > 0:07:42- That maybe - these young Welsh players...
0:07:42 > 0:07:45- ..about whom - so much had been written...
0:07:45 > 0:07:48- ..aren't as good - as they think they are.
0:07:48 > 0:07:54- That made you think a bit, - and you wanted to prove a point.
0:08:00 > 0:08:04- After the defeat to Queensland, - New Zealand rugby fans agreed...
0:08:04 > 0:08:08- ..that this Lions side didn't pose - a threat to the All Blacks.
0:08:09 > 0:08:14- The 1966 and 1968 Lions - were beaten comparatively easily.
0:08:15 > 0:08:18- The Welsh, despite - their Five Nations success...
0:08:18 > 0:08:22- ..were considered to be - particularly poor travellers.
0:08:24 > 0:08:28- That team was a very experienced - Lions team in 1971...
0:08:28 > 0:08:33- The Welsh side was probably - the best in Europe at the time.
0:08:33 > 0:08:38- They played a lot together - and it had a Welsh backbone.
0:08:39 > 0:08:41- In the press, - there were lots of stories.
0:08:41 > 0:08:43- Too many Welshmen in the team.
0:08:44 > 0:08:45- That didn't bother us at all.
0:08:46 > 0:08:49- We were British Lions, - and we went out there as British.
0:08:50 > 0:08:54- Certainly from our point of view, - seven of us were from London Welsh.
0:08:55 > 0:08:57- We had extra training sessions...
0:08:58 > 0:09:01- ..getting ourselves in shape - for what we knew was to come.
0:09:02 > 0:09:05- Two years previously, - we'd had quite a hammering.
0:09:05 > 0:09:07- We thought we were - quite a good side.
0:09:08 > 0:09:10- We went out there - with the Welsh side...
0:09:10 > 0:09:12- ..and got absolutely hammered.
0:09:12 > 0:09:17- I went out there with Wales - a couple of years previously.
0:09:18 > 0:09:23- It was so disappointing - to lose those games...
0:09:24 > 0:09:28- ..and not even being close - to winning them.
0:09:29 > 0:09:32- You could say - that they were a lot better than us.
0:09:33 > 0:09:35- Maybe we hadn't realized that.
0:09:35 > 0:09:39- We went out - having won the Triple Crown...
0:09:39 > 0:09:42- ..and the championship - as well, I think.
0:09:42 > 0:09:45- We went out there - with a lot of confidence...
0:09:46 > 0:09:50- ..but saw very quickly that the - All Blacks were much better than us.
0:09:57 > 0:10:01- It was all too apparent that Carwyn - selected more Welshmen...
0:10:01 > 0:10:05- ..for the Lions than players - from the other nations.
0:10:05 > 0:10:08- That was the situation at the time.
0:10:08 > 0:10:12- The task for Carwyn, - as a nationalist...
0:10:13 > 0:10:18- ..was uniting players from the four - home nations and Eire as well.
0:10:18 > 0:10:20- That was the task for Carwyn.
0:10:20 > 0:10:25- Uniting different nationalities - who knew that he was a nationalist.
0:10:25 > 0:10:30- But Carwyn was sharp enough - to be well aware of that fact.
0:10:30 > 0:10:33- He said that he wanted - the Englishmen to be English...
0:10:34 > 0:10:37- ..the Irishmen to be Irish, - the Scotsmen to be Scottish...
0:10:37 > 0:10:39- ..and the Welshmen to be Welsh.
0:10:39 > 0:10:42- That everyone - should be themselves...
0:10:42 > 0:10:45- ..and to leave it to him - to unite everyone.
0:10:46 > 0:10:52- When he met the squad, he said - that he didn't want any fake unity.
0:10:52 > 0:10:55- He wanted the Englishmen - to be as arrogant as usual.
0:10:55 > 0:10:58- The Irishmen to be just as wild.
0:10:58 > 0:11:03- The Scots to give the impression - of being dour, and so on.
0:11:03 > 0:11:05- He said - that some of the Welsh players...
0:11:06 > 0:11:09- ..would converse in Welsh - because it came naturally to them.
0:11:10 > 0:11:14- He wanted everyone to retain - their national characteristics...
0:11:14 > 0:11:18- ..whilst wearing the same shirt - and sharing the same objective.
0:11:21 > 0:11:24- The first weeks of the tour - were like a fake war.
0:11:24 > 0:11:29- The Lions toured North Island, - beating local teams fairly easily.
0:11:29 > 0:11:34- That included a 35-14 win - over Waikato in Hamilton.
0:11:36 > 0:11:39- But everyone knew that - the first big game of the tour...
0:11:40 > 0:11:44- ..was at Wellington, New Zealand's - strongest club side at the time.
0:11:44 > 0:11:49- I think the Wellington game - was our first challenge.
0:11:49 > 0:11:53- We went out there - expecting every game to be hard...
0:11:53 > 0:11:56- ..but Wellington and Otago...
0:11:56 > 0:12:00- ..those two in particular - Carwyn had pinpointed.
0:12:00 > 0:12:02- "Look, these games are special.
0:12:03 > 0:12:06- "If you can get a win - under your belt with those games...
0:12:06 > 0:12:08- "..then the tour will go well."
0:12:09 > 0:12:11- For the first month of the tour...
0:12:11 > 0:12:15- ..the New Zealand public - weren't particularly impressed.
0:12:15 > 0:12:20- Probably the best display of rugby - the Lions played on that tour...
0:12:20 > 0:12:23- ..was against Wellington, - the top team at the time.
0:12:23 > 0:12:25- We put 40 points on Wellington.
0:12:26 > 0:12:29- A try was only three points then, - so that was a heck of a score.
0:12:30 > 0:12:35- After that game, the New Zealand - public began to take notice of us.
0:12:39 > 0:12:41- New Zealand couldn't understand...
0:12:42 > 0:12:45- ..how a Lions side - that was meant to lose every game...
0:12:46 > 0:12:49- ..had won every game - in the run-up to the first test.
0:12:50 > 0:12:52- We had beaten several good sides.
0:12:52 > 0:12:56- I think that Canterbury - wanted to be the first team...
0:12:56 > 0:13:00- ..to take the wind - out of the Lions' sails.
0:13:01 > 0:13:06- They were trying to soften us up - before the first test...
0:13:06 > 0:13:09- ..which was the following Saturday.
0:13:10 > 0:13:13- Barry John was supposed to play - at outside half...
0:13:14 > 0:13:16- ..but Carwyn had heard...
0:13:16 > 0:13:18- ..that it wasn't going to be easy.
0:13:19 > 0:13:22- He pulled Barry out of that game.
0:13:23 > 0:13:26- He played Arthur Lewis - at outside half instead.
0:13:26 > 0:13:28- It's a good job he did.
0:13:28 > 0:13:31- It was the last game - before the first test...
0:13:31 > 0:13:34- ..and they were out for his blood.
0:13:34 > 0:13:37- We lost three players - in that game...
0:13:37 > 0:13:40- ..including two - of our first-choice front row.
0:13:41 > 0:13:46- I'm sure that players - from both sides, perhaps...
0:13:46 > 0:13:49- ..have looked back and thought...
0:13:49 > 0:13:53- ..how they let that game - turn out as it did.
0:13:53 > 0:13:58- Rugby has always been a hard game, - and it should be hard...
0:13:58 > 0:14:01- ..but that was unnecessary.
0:14:01 > 0:14:04- I got a letter from my mother...
0:14:04 > 0:14:08- ..who said that my grandmother would - never buy Canterbury lamb again!
0:14:11 > 0:14:14- Sandy Carmichael's face said it all.
0:14:14 > 0:14:16- The first test in Dunedin...
0:14:16 > 0:14:20- ..would be a battle between - the romantic and exciting Lions...
0:14:20 > 0:14:23- ..and the efficient - and merciless All Blacks.
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0:14:32 > 0:14:36- There were more Welshmen - on the 1971 tour than ever before.
0:14:37 > 0:14:41- Indeed, before this tour, - no Welshman had captained the Lions.
0:14:44 > 0:14:48- But Carwyn James's Lions, - captained by John Dawes...
0:14:48 > 0:14:51- ..won game after game - in New Zealand.
0:14:51 > 0:14:54- Having won the Grand Slam - a few months earlier...
0:14:54 > 0:14:56- ..the golden age - of Welsh rugby stars...
0:14:57 > 0:15:00- ..were now shining - on the international stage.
0:15:00 > 0:15:04- A new generation of players - emerging from a new Wales.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10- There was a paradox in Wales - in the 1960s and 1970s.
0:15:10 > 0:15:13- On the one hand, - people feared for the future.
0:15:13 > 0:15:18- Coal was in decline, and people - were asking what would replace it.
0:15:18 > 0:15:20- But there was hope as well.
0:15:20 > 0:15:25- They saw a future where children - wouldn't have to work underground.
0:15:26 > 0:15:28- They also saw - a new future for Wales.
0:15:28 > 0:15:31- A different relationship - with Britain.
0:15:32 > 0:15:33- A more confident Wales...
0:15:34 > 0:15:38- ..that could look to the future - and claim it was also a nation.
0:15:42 > 0:15:44- It was a country that was changing.
0:15:45 > 0:15:49- Maybe the biggest changes since - the depression before the war...
0:15:50 > 0:15:55- ..and the period of austerity - after the war.
0:15:55 > 0:15:58- Economic prosperity - finally reached Wales.
0:15:58 > 0:16:00- Yes, coal was still in decline...
0:16:01 > 0:16:06- ..but you now had industries - like oil, like steel...
0:16:06 > 0:16:08- ..and vehicle manufacturing.
0:16:08 > 0:16:11- New offices were coming to Wales.
0:16:11 > 0:16:15- Vehicle licensing in Swansea, - the Royal Mint in Llantrisant.
0:16:16 > 0:16:18- The industrial pattern was changing.
0:16:18 > 0:16:22- The welfare state generation - came of age.
0:16:22 > 0:16:24- They sought higher education.
0:16:24 > 0:16:28- They flooded into training colleges - to become teachers.
0:16:28 > 0:16:30- They moved to London...
0:16:30 > 0:16:34- ..the capital of style, - fashion and popular culture.
0:16:34 > 0:16:37- They wanted to sample - this new culture.
0:16:37 > 0:16:40- London was a place - for talented people.
0:16:40 > 0:16:44- In a way, that explains - the appeal of London Welsh RFC.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48- Our rugby players reflected Wales.
0:16:48 > 0:16:51- Some came from - a middle-class background...
0:16:51 > 0:16:55- ..some came from - a working-class background.
0:16:55 > 0:16:58- Some had parents who had - worked in the coal industry...
0:16:59 > 0:17:03- ..but they themselves - had moved on to white-collar jobs.
0:17:03 > 0:17:07- They were like Wales itself, - from a variety of backgrounds.
0:17:07 > 0:17:10- Some spoke Welsh, - some spoke English.
0:17:10 > 0:17:14- Some lived in Wales, - some lived outside Wales.
0:17:14 > 0:17:18- The rugby team was a reflection - of the country as a whole.
0:17:18 > 0:17:21- A fairly cosmopolitan country.
0:17:24 > 0:17:27- In the Welsh team, - the Valleys hard men...
0:17:27 > 0:17:30- ..were fortified - by the London Welsh exiles.
0:17:33 > 0:17:37- The men from the capital were - welcomed into the national team.
0:17:38 > 0:17:43- But when London Welsh played Welsh - clubs, it was a different story.
0:17:44 > 0:17:48- We'd survive playing - for London Welsh in South Wales...
0:17:49 > 0:17:53- ..where, let's just say, we weren't - always cheered on by the locals!
0:17:54 > 0:17:58- Certainly, the Llanelli - v London Welsh game on Boxing Day...
0:17:58 > 0:18:00- ..was an amazing occasion.
0:18:00 > 0:18:04- Usually, there were - at least 2,000 spectators...
0:18:04 > 0:18:06- ..locked outside the ground.
0:18:06 > 0:18:08- It was a really big occasion.
0:18:08 > 0:18:10- So, we were used to insults.
0:18:11 > 0:18:15- I remember playing at the Gnoll, - in Neath, and being shouted at.
0:18:15 > 0:18:18- "Get back to London, - you English so-and-so!"
0:18:19 > 0:18:22- We were playing for Wales - the following day!
0:18:22 > 0:18:24- It made you - mentally tougher, I think.
0:18:24 > 0:18:28- It stood us in very good stead - for the Lions tour.
0:18:28 > 0:18:31- There are two sides - to the London Welsh story.
0:18:31 > 0:18:32- In one way...
0:18:33 > 0:18:37- ..it shows that you can get on - no matter where you come from.
0:18:37 > 0:18:40- In another way, it's sad.
0:18:40 > 0:18:45- If you wanted a career - in law or medicine...
0:18:45 > 0:18:48- ..London was where people went.
0:18:48 > 0:18:52- That shows a weakness - in the Welsh economy.
0:18:54 > 0:18:59- Seven London Welsh players - were selected for the 1971 Lions...
0:18:59 > 0:19:04- ..some achievement given the state - of the club a few years earlier.
0:19:04 > 0:19:09- The man who transformed a squad of - solicitors, teachers and doctors...
0:19:09 > 0:19:11- ..into one of Britain's best...
0:19:12 > 0:19:15- ..was the captain of London Welsh - and Wales, John Dawes.
0:19:17 > 0:19:21- Having led both his club - and his country to so much success..
0:19:21 > 0:19:25- ..he would be a strong contender - for the Lions captaincy.
0:19:25 > 0:19:29- You don't know - when you're going to get the call.
0:19:29 > 0:19:32- Naturally, - you're being tipped in the media...
0:19:32 > 0:19:34- ..so you get all nervous.
0:19:34 > 0:19:36- You're expecting...
0:19:36 > 0:19:39- ..but not really sure...
0:19:39 > 0:19:41- ..so, when it comes out, ooh...
0:19:41 > 0:19:47- John Dawes was the best captain - I ever played under.
0:19:47 > 0:19:51- He hasn't had the praise - that he deserved, to be honest.
0:19:51 > 0:19:53- Every time John played...
0:19:54 > 0:19:55- ..he played a fine game.
0:19:56 > 0:19:59- He never gave a bad pass...
0:20:00 > 0:20:02- ..to the man outside him.
0:20:04 > 0:20:07- John Dawes embodied - the adventurous spirit...
0:20:07 > 0:20:11- ..that formed the basis - of London Welsh and Wales's success.
0:20:13 > 0:20:16- But many doubted - whether this open style...
0:20:16 > 0:20:20- ..would be a wise move - on the hard pitches of New Zealand.
0:20:22 > 0:20:24- We were an eight-man rugby team, - if you like.
0:20:25 > 0:20:28- We were very much - a forward-orientated team then.
0:20:28 > 0:20:29- It may have reflected...
0:20:30 > 0:20:33- ..who was in charge of the side, - the coaching panel.
0:20:33 > 0:20:36- In the 60s, they played - some pretty fluent rugby.
0:20:37 > 0:20:40- The '67 side that went - to the British Isles and France...
0:20:41 > 0:20:44- ..was an outstanding rugby side.
0:20:44 > 0:20:47- It had some reflection on how - the team was coached, perhaps.
0:20:48 > 0:20:52- I enjoy running, and I think - all our backs do as well.
0:20:52 > 0:20:57- John Dawes and Carwyn have showed - that it's one of our strengths.
0:20:58 > 0:21:02- It's important that we realized this - at the start of the tour.
0:21:02 > 0:21:06- We've played fine rugby, and all - of New Zealand can enjoy it.
0:21:08 > 0:21:13- At 3.00pm - on Saturday, 26 June 1971...
0:21:14 > 0:21:17- ..referee John Pring - blew the whistle...
0:21:17 > 0:21:21- ..to start the series between - the Lions and the All Blacks.
0:21:23 > 0:21:25- Carwyn was in the grandstand...
0:21:25 > 0:21:29- ..pleased in the knowledge that - he had won a first little victory.
0:21:30 > 0:21:33- The Lions - could have won a series in 1959...
0:21:33 > 0:21:35- ..if not for some unfair refereeing.
0:21:36 > 0:21:38- In the first test in Dunedin...
0:21:38 > 0:21:40- ..the Lions scored four tries...
0:21:41 > 0:21:45- ..but six Don Clarke penalties - gave the All Blacks a one-point win.
0:21:45 > 0:21:48- Carwyn was a politician.
0:21:48 > 0:21:52- That side of his character - came to the fore...
0:21:52 > 0:21:57- ..when he was in talks - with the New Zealand Rugby Union.
0:21:57 > 0:22:01- They could have been based - in the Kremlin.
0:22:01 > 0:22:02- They never yielded.
0:22:03 > 0:22:06- But Carwyn James's - gift of the gab...
0:22:06 > 0:22:10- ..led to him - successfully securing...
0:22:10 > 0:22:16- ..that the one fair referee - in New Zealand, Dr John Pring...
0:22:16 > 0:22:20- ..would take charge - of all the test matches.
0:22:21 > 0:22:22- Missing out Gibson.
0:22:22 > 0:22:25- That's John Bevan, - tackled by Cottrell.
0:22:25 > 0:22:28- The All Blacks get the ball back.
0:22:28 > 0:22:29- Out to Sutherland.
0:22:29 > 0:22:33- It's charged down by McLauchlan, - and he's going to score.
0:22:33 > 0:22:35- 3-0 to the Lions...
0:22:37 > 0:22:41- In a four-test series, - the first test is totally crucial.
0:22:41 > 0:22:43- The tension was evident.
0:22:43 > 0:22:47- A few passes were dropped, - a few tackles were missed.
0:22:47 > 0:22:49- A few fists hit their target.
0:22:53 > 0:22:58- Ultimately, Ian McLauchlan's try - and two Barry John penalties...
0:22:58 > 0:23:01- ..were enough - to give the Lions a win.
0:23:05 > 0:23:07- It's always easier - when you're winning.
0:23:07 > 0:23:11- We'd been on tour for eight weeks - before the first test.
0:23:11 > 0:23:15- In those eight weeks, we'd won all - the provincial games that we played.
0:23:16 > 0:23:19- Consequently, that built confidence - and team morale...
0:23:19 > 0:23:22- ..and made it - a much happier place to be.
0:23:22 > 0:23:28- When you then come to the sharp end - of the tour, the test matches...
0:23:29 > 0:23:33- ..having sneaked the first test, - that kept it all going.
0:23:35 > 0:23:37- The Lions were ahead in the series.
0:23:37 > 0:23:42- More importantly, the All Blacks' - air of invincibility had vanished.
0:23:43 > 0:23:45- This had affected past Lions.
0:23:45 > 0:23:49- Now, it was New Zealand's turn - to be worried.
0:23:55 > 0:23:59- The Lions had been away from home - for almost two months...
0:23:59 > 0:24:05- ..but they still faced eight weeks - and another three test matches.
0:24:05 > 0:24:07- Bruises and injuries...
0:24:08 > 0:24:11- ..were an integral part - of international rugby.
0:24:11 > 0:24:16- But on a tour like this, fatigue and - homesickness were bigger problems.
0:24:16 > 0:24:18- Carwyn stepped up once again.
0:24:18 > 0:24:22- Politician, poet, coach, - and now psychologist.
0:24:23 > 0:24:26- The morale was terrific - from the outset.
0:24:26 > 0:24:29- There were times - when Carwyn would say...
0:24:29 > 0:24:33- I remember one occasion when I did - have a problem with my knee.
0:24:33 > 0:24:36- Three of us went off - on a bit of a holiday.
0:24:36 > 0:24:39- Bob Hiller, Mighty Mouse McLauchlan - and myself.
0:24:40 > 0:24:43- We went for a couple of nights.
0:24:43 > 0:24:48- A little tour around - the not-too-distant South Island.
0:24:49 > 0:24:51- There were fantastic sights to see.
0:24:52 > 0:24:55- Carwyn quite often used to do - simple things like that...
0:24:55 > 0:24:57- ..that were great for morale.
0:25:12 > 0:25:15- Wherever we went, - whichever part of the country...
0:25:15 > 0:25:19- ..we were always welcome, - always well-received.
0:25:19 > 0:25:23- We seemed to be - very popular as well.
0:25:24 > 0:25:27- It was a happy tour...
0:25:27 > 0:25:32- ..and I think the contribution made - by the New Zealand population...
0:25:32 > 0:25:35- ..was responsible for a lot of that.
0:25:36 > 0:25:37- The second test.
0:25:37 > 0:25:41- The Lions returned - to Lancaster Park in Christchurch...
0:25:41 > 0:25:46- ..where Canterbury had welcomed - them so warmly a few weeks earlier.
0:25:46 > 0:25:49- They conceded an early try - to the All Blacks...
0:25:49 > 0:25:53- ..but the Lions hit back - with the best try of the series...
0:25:53 > 0:25:56- ..JPR, Mike Gibson - and Gerald Davies combining.
0:25:57 > 0:26:01- But the All Blacks - were hell-bent on revenge.
0:26:02 > 0:26:06- Again, a high kick from Burgess.
0:26:06 > 0:26:08- I'd like to know, on average...
0:26:08 > 0:26:12- ..how many times - a fly-half in New Zealand...
0:26:12 > 0:26:15- ..kicks this ball - high up into the air.
0:26:17 > 0:26:21- The New Zealand forwards proved - too big and strong for the Lions.
0:26:22 > 0:26:26- They won the game 22-12, - and the series was tied.
0:26:39 > 0:26:43- At the time, we thought we were - mentally attuned for this match.
0:26:43 > 0:26:47- But in retrospect, - I don't think we really were.
0:26:47 > 0:26:50- New Zealand - won the second test easily.
0:26:50 > 0:26:52- Five tries to two.
0:26:52 > 0:26:56- But Carwyn James apparently - left the grandstand at the end...
0:26:57 > 0:27:00- ..after the Lions had lost, - with a smile on his face...
0:27:00 > 0:27:04- ..and told the players - that they would win the series.
0:27:06 > 0:27:08- He certainly had a plan.
0:27:08 > 0:27:14- When he left the first - training session in Eastbourne...
0:27:15 > 0:27:18- ..before flying to New Zealand, - he had a plan.
0:27:18 > 0:27:21- But he was also - sharp enough to know...
0:27:21 > 0:27:24- ..that he had - to leave the door open...
0:27:24 > 0:27:27- ..to react to what he saw - after getting to New Zealand.
0:27:28 > 0:27:31- That was a part - of his wise thinking.
0:27:31 > 0:27:34- He didn't go there - with a closed mind.
0:27:34 > 0:27:39- The Lions had lost - for the first time on the tour.
0:27:39 > 0:27:41- All Blacks fans firmly believed...
0:27:42 > 0:27:44- ..that they had broken - the Lions' spirit.
0:27:45 > 0:27:49- For the 1971 Lions, - the crucial game was approaching.
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0:27:58 > 0:28:01- If Carwyn did have a plan - to beat the All Blacks...
0:28:01 > 0:28:04- ..there was one vital part - to the strategy...
0:28:04 > 0:28:09- ..that was beyond the control - of even the man from Cefneithin.
0:28:09 > 0:28:13- Carwyn's style of play required - a dry ball and a hard pitch...
0:28:13 > 0:28:17- ..a rare combination - during the New Zealand winter.
0:28:18 > 0:28:22- But the winter of 1971 was unusual.
0:28:22 > 0:28:27- The Lions didn't encounter any rain - until they got to Hawke's Bay.
0:28:27 > 0:28:31- After this game, the sun shone - until the end of the tour.
0:28:32 > 0:28:34- They say of 1971...
0:28:34 > 0:28:39- ..that it hardly rained - while the Lions were there.
0:28:39 > 0:28:44- In a country where the rain - barely stops in winter...
0:28:44 > 0:28:46- ..that's quite astonishing.
0:28:48 > 0:28:50- It helped enormously.
0:28:50 > 0:28:54- A dry ball, - good for handling, good for running.
0:28:55 > 0:28:56- Good for everything.
0:28:56 > 0:28:58- I think it was unusual...
0:28:58 > 0:29:01- ..for New Zealand - to have such good weather...
0:29:01 > 0:29:03- ..for the length - of our particular tour.
0:29:04 > 0:29:07- We were very fortunate, - from our point of view...
0:29:07 > 0:29:11- ..that the weather was - uncharacteristically mild and dry.
0:29:12 > 0:29:13- It suited our type of play.
0:29:14 > 0:29:17- It didn't suit - the All Blacks' style...
0:29:17 > 0:29:20- ..which was still - forward-orientated.
0:29:20 > 0:29:22- Yes, we were very lucky.
0:29:22 > 0:29:26- I think a lot - can be down to preparation...
0:29:26 > 0:29:30- ..but, particularly to beat the - All Blacks, you need luck as well.
0:29:31 > 0:29:37- Heavy rain fell in Wellington - in the week before the third test.
0:29:37 > 0:29:41- But once again, things turned - suddenly to the Lions' advantage.
0:29:41 > 0:29:43- The sun came out...
0:29:43 > 0:29:47- ..and Wellington's famous winds - dried the pitch before the game.
0:29:47 > 0:29:50- Carwyn contacted - a local weather station...
0:29:51 > 0:29:54- ..barely 15 minutes before kick-off - to get the latest news.
0:29:56 > 0:30:00- The wind would blow strongly - and die down for the second half.
0:30:00 > 0:30:02- The tactics were simple.
0:30:02 > 0:30:05- Use the wind - to score early points...
0:30:06 > 0:30:09- ..then defend the advantage - in the second half.
0:30:09 > 0:30:12- Again, Willie John - wins the line-out.
0:30:12 > 0:30:15- Barry meant to kick, - but moves the ball out.
0:30:15 > 0:30:20- Gerald Davies beating his man. - What a thrilling runner he is.
0:30:20 > 0:30:22- The chip ahead - is taken by the wing.
0:30:23 > 0:30:25- What a tackle by John Taylor.
0:30:25 > 0:30:28- They're looking for the ruck - situation. In they go.
0:30:29 > 0:30:31- Back it comes, - David Duckham to Barry.
0:30:31 > 0:30:34- He's got plenty of time - to put that ball over.
0:30:34 > 0:30:37- That's the first score to us, 3-0.
0:30:37 > 0:30:40- For 20 minutes, - the Lions were at their best.
0:30:41 > 0:30:44- Gareth Edwards shone.
0:30:44 > 0:30:49- Remember the hand-off on Burgess and - Barry John scoring under the posts?
0:30:50 > 0:30:52- Gerald Davies - sneaking into the corner.
0:30:53 > 0:30:56- Gareth on the blind-side, - and Gerald is over.
0:30:57 > 0:31:01- The Lions led 13-0 - in less than 20 minutes.
0:31:02 > 0:31:06- They wouldn't add to that tally - for the rest of the game.
0:31:19 > 0:31:21- But despite relentless pressure...
0:31:21 > 0:31:25- ..the All Blacks - could only muster one try.
0:31:25 > 0:31:28- Carwyn had a few secrets as a coach.
0:31:28 > 0:31:30- One of them...
0:31:30 > 0:31:32- ..and maybe the main one...
0:31:32 > 0:31:38- ..is knowing that you can win - before you set foot on the field.
0:31:39 > 0:31:44- When I wrote Carwyn's biography, - every player I spoke to said that.
0:31:45 > 0:31:50- Willie John McBride, Slattery, - Delme Thomas, Barry John, whoever.
0:31:50 > 0:31:53- They all said - that Carwyn's secret...
0:31:53 > 0:31:57- ..was to make you believe, - before you set foot on the pitch...
0:31:57 > 0:31:59- ..that you could win.
0:32:02 > 0:32:07- Before 1971, the Lions had only ever - won two test matches in New Zealand.
0:32:07 > 0:32:10- Now, Carwyn's Lions - had won two in two months...
0:32:11 > 0:32:15- ..and there was a golden opportunity - to win a series for the first time.
0:32:16 > 0:32:19- He's the best rugby brain - I ever played under.
0:32:19 > 0:32:23- He was not only - a fantastic student of the game...
0:32:23 > 0:32:26- ..but he was - an amateur psychologist as well.
0:32:26 > 0:32:27- He would...
0:32:28 > 0:32:31- It was great for me - because I was a very hard trainer.
0:32:31 > 0:32:34- I'd be banned from training - on a Monday...
0:32:34 > 0:32:37- ..because I was - injuring our own players.
0:32:37 > 0:32:40- Some of the lazier players, - shall I say...
0:32:40 > 0:32:43- ..would have to train twice - on Monday.
0:32:43 > 0:32:47- Everyone was treated differently, - and that was a great success.
0:32:47 > 0:32:50- We normally had Sunday off, - as a travelling day.
0:32:51 > 0:32:55- On Monday, we did have a heavy - training session, quite physical.
0:32:55 > 0:32:57- There were times when our backs...
0:32:58 > 0:33:03- ..were playing soccer, and appeared - to be enjoying themselves...
0:33:04 > 0:33:08- ..while we'd be scrummaging - up against the scrummaging machine.
0:33:08 > 0:33:10- It seemed a bit unfair.
0:33:10 > 0:33:15- But Carwyn knew what was going on - and how the players would respond.
0:33:15 > 0:33:20- People like Barry were - hugely skilful and very fit anyway.
0:33:20 > 0:33:24- He just enjoyed being out there - with a soccer ball...
0:33:24 > 0:33:27- ..kicking the ball about - and having fun.
0:33:32 > 0:33:36- The Lions completed their - undefeated provincial campaign...
0:33:36 > 0:33:41- ..with a hard-fought 20-14 win - over Bay of Plenty in Tauranga.
0:33:41 > 0:33:44- Once again, - the wisdom of Carwyn's refusal...
0:33:45 > 0:33:48- ..for Mr Murphy to referee - the tests became clear.
0:33:51 > 0:33:55- Chris Rea makes the break, - gives it to Alastair Biggar...
0:33:55 > 0:33:57- ..and he goes over the line.
0:33:57 > 0:34:00- That try would have been awarded - here, but not in New Zealand.
0:34:00 > 0:34:02- Not from Mr Pat Murphy.
0:34:04 > 0:34:06- As the end of the tour approached...
0:34:06 > 0:34:10- ..Carwyn was determined - that thoughts of going home...
0:34:10 > 0:34:14- ..wouldn't distract the players - from the huge challenge facing them.
0:34:15 > 0:34:18- He knew - that the players were with him.
0:34:19 > 0:34:21- They knew what to tell Carwyn.
0:34:21 > 0:34:23- He learnt from them as well.
0:34:24 > 0:34:27- That was one of Carwyn's strengths.
0:34:27 > 0:34:33- He was willing to listen and use - the experience of the players.
0:34:33 > 0:34:39- "Right then, boys, you've been - out here and played the All Blacks.
0:34:40 > 0:34:42- "What do you think we have to do?"
0:34:44 > 0:34:48- Carwyn James had realized - his ambition to coach the Lions.
0:34:49 > 0:34:53- His faith in the squad's ability - to win the series was unwavering.
0:34:53 > 0:34:55- The fateful hour had arrived.
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0:35:05 > 0:35:08- The tired but united - and determined Lions...
0:35:09 > 0:35:12- ..were on the way to Auckland - for the final test.
0:35:12 > 0:35:14- They led the series 2-1...
0:35:15 > 0:35:18- ..and a historic series win - was within reach.
0:35:18 > 0:35:22- For the All Blacks, a tied series - would be disappointing.
0:35:23 > 0:35:26- Losing the series - would be disastrous.
0:35:33 > 0:35:38- Playing for the Lions was the - highest standard you could play at.
0:35:38 > 0:35:43- New Zealand were the best team - in the world at that time.
0:35:43 > 0:35:47- We knew that if we were - to beat New Zealand...
0:35:47 > 0:35:51- ..it would take a bigger effort...
0:35:51 > 0:35:56- ..than we would have to put in - against any other country.
0:35:58 > 0:36:00- Carwyn, 2-1 up in the series.
0:36:00 > 0:36:01- How did you feel at this time?
0:36:01 > 0:36:03- How did you feel at this time?- - Very nervous, I must admit.
0:36:04 > 0:36:08- There was an air of tension - about the fourth test, inevitably.
0:36:09 > 0:36:12- We were 2-1 up and we felt - that the series could be ours.
0:36:13 > 0:36:16- It's a genuine rugby country, - New Zealand.
0:36:16 > 0:36:20- Always when you won against - whoever you played that day...
0:36:21 > 0:36:24- ..if it was a Tuesday - or a Wednesday game...
0:36:24 > 0:36:28- ..it was always, "Wait 'til you get - to Auckland or Wellington."
0:36:28 > 0:36:31- There was always something - in wait for us, really.
0:36:32 > 0:36:35- In the test series, - things got a bit more intense.
0:36:36 > 0:36:38- First blood to New Zealand.
0:36:38 > 0:36:43- A lot of people might have forgotten - or haven't seen it.
0:36:43 > 0:36:45- Barry missed a penalty.
0:36:46 > 0:36:50- All I can say is, it was easier - to kick it than to miss it.
0:36:51 > 0:36:53- That happened in the game.
0:36:54 > 0:36:55- That stunned us all.
0:36:55 > 0:36:57- We all went, "Oh, well..."
0:36:57 > 0:37:01- We knew that things - weren't quite going right.
0:37:02 > 0:37:05- They got chances to score, - we got chances to score.
0:37:07 > 0:37:10- By half-time, it was level at 8-8.
0:37:10 > 0:37:15- The tension was clear on the faces - of the players and the crowd.
0:37:15 > 0:37:19- Barry John kicked a penalty - straight after the restart.
0:37:19 > 0:37:22- Minutes later, - the All Blacks scored a try.
0:37:22 > 0:37:24- The score was tied once again.
0:37:27 > 0:37:31- Mains misses the kick, - so it's 11-11.
0:37:31 > 0:37:34- The test and the series - were in the balance.
0:37:34 > 0:37:36- The crucial moment had come.
0:37:37 > 0:37:41- On the way to the game, we were all - getting very nervous and homesick.
0:37:41 > 0:37:44- We'd been away for a long time, - three and a half months.
0:37:45 > 0:37:47- I could feel the tension in the bus.
0:37:47 > 0:37:51- I stood up and said, "OK, boys, - today, I'm going to drop a goal!"
0:37:53 > 0:37:57- He'd said that he was going - to kick a drop goal.
0:37:58 > 0:38:00- No-one believed him, of course.
0:38:02 > 0:38:07- JPR was an exceptional player...
0:38:07 > 0:38:10- ..but kicking - wasn't one of his strengths.
0:38:11 > 0:38:14- I only ever dropped - three drop goals in my life.
0:38:14 > 0:38:16- But I used to stay out - after training...
0:38:17 > 0:38:21- ..and catch the balls being kicked - by Barry John and Bob Hiller.
0:38:21 > 0:38:24- When they'd finished - their training...
0:38:24 > 0:38:28- ..they told me to drop some goals, - so I had practised a bit.
0:38:30 > 0:38:35- David Duckham threw the pass, - and the ball went behind me.
0:38:35 > 0:38:37- When John caught the ball...
0:38:38 > 0:38:42- ..I remember saying, "What now? - Is JPR going to kick his drop goal?"
0:38:45 > 0:38:46- I don't remember...
0:38:49 > 0:38:51- ..my exact words...
0:38:51 > 0:38:53- ..but it was something like...
0:38:54 > 0:38:57- .."God, he's kicked it!"
0:38:57 > 0:38:59- I couldn't believe it!
0:39:00 > 0:39:04- Duckham throws it back wildly, - but it comes to John Williams.
0:39:04 > 0:39:06- He tries a drop for goal.
0:39:07 > 0:39:08- It's over!
0:39:08 > 0:39:12- I knew it was there, and it was - still climbing as it went over!
0:39:12 > 0:39:16- I turned to the reserves in the - crowd and said, "I told you so!"
0:39:18 > 0:39:22- When JPR dropped that goal...
0:39:23 > 0:39:26- ..maybe that was how - it was meant to happen.
0:39:29 > 0:39:31- That's it, the end of the game.
0:39:31 > 0:39:35- Fourteen points each, - and the Lions win the series 2-1...
0:39:35 > 0:39:37- ..with one match drawn.
0:39:37 > 0:39:40- Winning a series in New Zealand...
0:39:40 > 0:39:45- ..is something that I'm sure - is every rugby player's dream.
0:39:48 > 0:39:51- I'm very proud - to be one of those players...
0:39:51 > 0:39:55- ..who did win - out there in New Zealand.
0:39:55 > 0:39:59- Even today, - when 40 years have gone by...
0:39:59 > 0:40:01- ..since we won the series...
0:40:01 > 0:40:06- ..it's the only Lions team - to have done it.
0:40:06 > 0:40:09- I remember turning to Gerald Davies.
0:40:09 > 0:40:11- Gerald and I were big mates.
0:40:11 > 0:40:14- We sat there, - almost too tired to get changed.
0:40:15 > 0:40:17- I turned to Gerald...
0:40:18 > 0:40:21- I was trying to think - how I should feel.
0:40:21 > 0:40:23- I said, "Do you know what?"
0:40:24 > 0:40:25- "We've won."
0:40:29 > 0:40:33- And Gerald said, "Yes. So what?"
0:40:37 > 0:40:39- No big deal, you know.
0:40:40 > 0:40:43- We didn't know - how we were supposed to feel.
0:40:45 > 0:40:49- Carwyn did realize - what they had achieved...
0:40:49 > 0:40:52- ..at the end of the final test.
0:40:52 > 0:40:56- He knew that they had won - the first series ever...
0:40:56 > 0:40:58- ..against New Zealand.
0:40:58 > 0:40:59- He knew that.
0:40:59 > 0:41:01- He knew his history...
0:41:02 > 0:41:05- ..including his rugby history, - well enough.
0:41:05 > 0:41:08- He knew exactly - what he had achieved.
0:41:08 > 0:41:11- I don't think he realized...
0:41:11 > 0:41:15- ..the magnitude of the success - off the field.
0:41:15 > 0:41:20- I don't think he realized the - magnitude of his personal success...
0:41:21 > 0:41:24- ..and how that success - would affect him personally.
0:41:27 > 0:41:32- The squad was on the way home, - but one leading Lion stayed behind.
0:41:33 > 0:41:35- JPR Williams - stayed in New Zealand...
0:41:35 > 0:41:40- ..and saw how the country came to - terms with the new rugby order.
0:41:40 > 0:41:44- The New Zealand public didn't - believe that they could have lost.
0:41:44 > 0:41:47- I was wined and dined everywhere...
0:41:47 > 0:41:50- ..but they still didn't believe - that they'd lost.
0:41:50 > 0:41:53- It took a month to sink in, - and it was the same with me.
0:41:53 > 0:41:56- I did not realize the magnitude - of what we'd done.
0:41:56 > 0:41:59- We didn't know the history.
0:41:59 > 0:42:02- We knew about the fanaticism...
0:42:02 > 0:42:04- ..of rugby in New Zealand.
0:42:05 > 0:42:09- But I think probably halfway - through my three months out there...
0:42:09 > 0:42:13- ..I realized, "Wow, we have - achieved something here."
0:42:15 > 0:42:17- No-one expected us to do well.
0:42:17 > 0:42:20- They certainly didn't expect us - to win out there.
0:42:21 > 0:42:23- I think they were all surprised...
0:42:23 > 0:42:26- ..that this particular - British Lions team won.
0:42:27 > 0:42:30- I think when they sat down - at the end of the tour...
0:42:30 > 0:42:33- ..and realized - they had lost the test series...
0:42:33 > 0:42:37- ..they simply said, - in New Zealand style...
0:42:37 > 0:42:39- ..now we've got some work to do.
0:42:42 > 0:42:46- No rugby team - had received such a welcome.
0:42:46 > 0:42:52- The Lions flew to New Zealand - as rugby players of the amateur age.
0:42:52 > 0:42:54- They came home as sports stars.
0:42:55 > 0:42:57- Now, they were famous people.
0:42:58 > 0:43:01- For players like - Gareth Edwards, Derek Quinnell...
0:43:02 > 0:43:06- ..Gerald Davies and JPR Williams, - it was the start of a decade...
0:43:07 > 0:43:10- ..as key players - in Welsh rugby's golden age.
0:43:10 > 0:43:13- The Lions' success in New Zealand...
0:43:14 > 0:43:17- ..was pivotal - to what happened in Wales...
0:43:18 > 0:43:22- ..as regards - how the game should be played...
0:43:22 > 0:43:26- ..and the developments in coaching.
0:43:27 > 0:43:32- Throughout the 1970s, - Wales were at the forefront...
0:43:32 > 0:43:38- ..in the process of influencing - how other countries played the game.
0:43:38 > 0:43:42- There's no doubt - that the rugby the Lions played...
0:43:42 > 0:43:44- ..under Carwyn James in 1971...
0:43:44 > 0:43:49- ..influenced not only the way - rugby was played in Wales...
0:43:49 > 0:43:53- ..but also across Britain - and the world.
0:43:54 > 0:43:58- But Welsh rugby's golden age - went on without the Cefneithin duo.
0:43:59 > 0:44:02- The 1971 tour was a turning point - for the whole squad.
0:44:02 > 0:44:06- But for one man more than any, - the attention was endless.
0:44:08 > 0:44:11- Barry John was crowned - as the king in New Zealand.
0:44:12 > 0:44:16- The pressure on him was such - that he retired within a year.
0:44:17 > 0:44:20- Indeed, the memorable 1971 tour...
0:44:20 > 0:44:25- ..had an inescapable effect - on the drama's two main characters.
0:44:26 > 0:44:29- Without a shadow of a doubt...
0:44:29 > 0:44:32- ..the 1971 tour had a big effect...
0:44:32 > 0:44:36- ..on both Barry John - and Carwyn James.
0:44:37 > 0:44:41- Less than a year later, - Barry John had retired from rugby.
0:44:42 > 0:44:44- Carwyn carried on...
0:44:45 > 0:44:48- ..but what happened, - and dealing with what happened...
0:44:48 > 0:44:51- ..was the beginning of the end - for him as well.
0:44:52 > 0:44:57- I think things started to go wrong - when he came back from New Zealand.
0:44:57 > 0:45:02- He had to cope with success, - with the effects of success...
0:45:02 > 0:45:05- ..and the results of success, - and he couldn't do it.
0:45:06 > 0:45:10- He was too private a man, - too nice, and he couldn't say no.
0:45:11 > 0:45:14- It's a heartbreaking thing - to say, actually...
0:45:14 > 0:45:16- ..that two geniuses...
0:45:16 > 0:45:20- ..who were, a cliche but true, - ahead of their time...
0:45:20 > 0:45:25- ..didn't fit in - with the structure...
0:45:26 > 0:45:28- ..or the proper context - at the time...
0:45:29 > 0:45:32- ..for them to be able - to carry on as individuals.
0:45:34 > 0:45:37- How much harder is it out there?
0:45:38 > 0:45:39- Well...
0:45:40 > 0:45:44- ..as has been said, it's more - or less a religion in New Zealand.
0:45:44 > 0:45:48- This is one of the things - they do well.
0:45:48 > 0:45:52- They realize that they are - at the top of the world in rugby.
0:45:52 > 0:45:55- So, when they lose, - it's a huge tragedy for them.
0:45:56 > 0:45:59- My fear is - that some of their coaches...
0:45:59 > 0:46:03- ..will lose ground, - lose their jobs and so on.
0:46:03 > 0:46:07- They do have strong self-belief - where rugby is concerned.
0:46:07 > 0:46:09- Their rugby is always good.
0:46:09 > 0:46:13- I hope that no-one in Wales, - when they come over next year...
0:46:13 > 0:46:15- ..expects it to be easy, - because it won't be.
0:46:16 > 0:46:20- They'll have an exceptional team - and we'll have to be at our best.
0:46:20 > 0:46:23- There is no doubt at all...
0:46:23 > 0:46:29- ..that the fact that the All Blacks - lost the series on the 1971 tour...
0:46:29 > 0:46:33- ..completely changed their mindset.
0:46:33 > 0:46:37- After seeing the Lions play - so many games out in New Zealand...
0:46:37 > 0:46:41- ..they realized that they had - to play fifteen-man rugby.
0:46:42 > 0:46:43- It may well be true...
0:46:43 > 0:46:48- ..that Carwyn Jones had a bigger - influence on New Zealand rugby...
0:46:49 > 0:46:52- ..than he did - on rugby in Britain and Ireland.
0:46:52 > 0:46:54- Did Carwyn improve rugby here?
0:46:55 > 0:46:58- Maybe so, but he certainly did - in New Zealand.
0:46:59 > 0:47:01- Since then, - I think we've progressed.
0:47:01 > 0:47:04- I don't know if we've lost - to the Lions since then.
0:47:05 > 0:47:09- So, thank you, Carwyn and John, - for setting that base.
0:47:12 > 0:47:16- I knew it was going to be - an incredible experience.
0:47:16 > 0:47:20- But I must admit, to this day...
0:47:20 > 0:47:26- ..I find it hard to believe - that we actually did it.
0:47:26 > 0:47:29- That's what it meant at that time.
0:47:29 > 0:47:32- To this day, - I look back and think...
0:47:33 > 0:47:35- ..was I dreaming?
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