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0:00:09 > 0:00:11- The far end of the Lleyn Peninsula.
0:00:12 > 0:00:15- A wonderful part of the country.
0:00:15 > 0:00:18- The pace of life is different here.
0:00:18 > 0:00:22- The history and names of the area - are enchanting.
0:00:22 > 0:00:26- This is the story - of the Welsh coastline.
0:00:36 > 0:00:39- We've passed the western tip - of the peninsula...
0:00:39 > 0:00:42- ..and our journey - takes us eastwards...
0:00:42 > 0:00:46- ..past Porth Meudwy towards - the lively village of Abersoch.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53- This is an incredible part of Wales.
0:00:54 > 0:00:55- A stretch of land...
0:00:55 > 0:01:00- ..withstanding waves, - and at times, the passage of time.
0:01:00 > 0:01:03- Some connect Porth Meudwy...
0:01:03 > 0:01:06- ..with the pilgrims making - their journey to Bardsey Island.
0:01:07 > 0:01:10- Their retreating nature - inspired the beach's name.
0:01:12 > 0:01:16- The Aberdaron Sailing Club's history - doesn't stretch back that far...
0:01:17 > 0:01:21- ..but they safeguard - some historical boats.
0:01:22 > 0:01:25- The first thing you notice - about Porth Meudwy...
0:01:25 > 0:01:27- ..is that it's a busy harbour...
0:01:28 > 0:01:34- ..and modern boats sit side by side - with significantly older boats.
0:01:35 > 0:01:37- How old are the small boats - around us?
0:01:38 > 0:01:44- Some are about 100, 120 years old, - the oldest as old as 130.
0:01:44 > 0:01:45- Indeed.
0:01:45 > 0:01:48- There are more recent boats - such as this.
0:01:48 > 0:01:53- The boat behind you - was renovated last year.
0:01:53 > 0:01:56- It sailed last night - for the first time.
0:01:56 > 0:01:58- The tradition continues.
0:01:58 > 0:01:59- The tradition continues.- - Most certainly.
0:01:59 > 0:02:01- It's a strong tradition.
0:02:01 > 0:02:06- The sailing club is trying to - encourage more people to sail boats.
0:02:08 > 0:02:10- You organise regattas.
0:02:10 > 0:02:11- Yes.
0:02:12 > 0:02:14- Every Saturday, - if the weather is favourable.
0:02:15 > 0:02:17- It's been rather inclement of late.
0:02:17 > 0:02:19- We're hoping - for a good day tomorrow.
0:02:19 > 0:02:20- Is it competitive?
0:02:20 > 0:02:22- Is it competitive?- - It's very competitive.
0:02:22 > 0:02:27- Once we're on the water, - everyone wants to win.
0:02:28 > 0:02:31- Where were these boats built?
0:02:32 > 0:02:36- Some were built on Bardsey Island, - the oldest boats.
0:02:37 > 0:02:39- This one came from Tudweiliog.
0:02:40 > 0:02:42- Most of the boats are local.
0:02:42 > 0:02:44- They're known as Aberdaron boats.
0:02:44 > 0:02:48- Oh, yes, - they're unique to Aberdaron.
0:02:48 > 0:02:51- I'm an experienced boatman - but sailing is alien to me...
0:02:51 > 0:02:54- ..especially when the boat - is on its side.
0:02:54 > 0:02:57- I wouldn't mind coming out - in a boat with you.
0:02:57 > 0:02:58- We'll give it a go.
0:03:14 > 0:03:17- What's the name of this boat?
0:03:17 > 0:03:19- Its name is Glan.
0:03:19 > 0:03:21- It's a wonderful sailing boat.
0:03:21 > 0:03:23- It's a wonderful sailing boat.- - It looks great.
0:03:23 > 0:03:26- It's nice having - free sailing lessons.
0:03:27 > 0:03:29- I don't know about that.
0:03:29 > 0:03:32- Did they originally use these boats - for sailing?
0:03:32 > 0:03:34- No, they were fishing boats.
0:03:35 > 0:03:38- They used to row them.
0:03:39 > 0:03:42- After a hard day lifting cages...
0:03:42 > 0:03:46- ..they decided to erect - masts and sails...
0:03:46 > 0:03:50- ..to ease their journey home - since they were so tired.
0:03:50 > 0:03:53- That's when they became - sailing boats.
0:03:53 > 0:03:54- It was a hard job.
0:03:54 > 0:03:56- It was a hard job.- - All day long.
0:03:56 > 0:03:58- And rowing.
0:03:58 > 0:04:00- And rowing.- - America's Cup is the next stop!
0:04:00 > 0:04:02- Yip.
0:04:03 > 0:04:04- Aberdaron boats!
0:04:16 > 0:04:20- In Aberdaron you'll find a church - consecrated to St Hywyn.
0:04:21 > 0:04:25- Here, near Ffynnon Saint, - there was a large flat stone...
0:04:25 > 0:04:28- ..called Allor Hywyn - (Hywyn's Altar).
0:04:28 > 0:04:31- Saints would congregate here - and hold services.
0:04:31 > 0:04:34- The stone was demolished - years ago...
0:04:34 > 0:04:38- ..to make way for this bridge, - Pont Afon Saint.
0:04:38 > 0:04:41- While they were at it, - someone truly gigantic...
0:04:41 > 0:04:44- ..left their footprints here.
0:04:46 > 0:04:47- Sampson Gawr, so it is said.
0:04:53 > 0:04:57- There's a strong possibility - that Daron was the goddess of oak.
0:04:57 > 0:05:02- She gave her name to the river that - flows to the beach in Aberdaron.
0:05:05 > 0:05:09- On the eastern side of the beach - is Carreg Meudwy.
0:05:09 > 0:05:15- Although there is no proof, it is - claimed that its is a fallen meteor.
0:05:15 > 0:05:18- That's not the only strange thing - about it.
0:05:18 > 0:05:22- From some angles, it looks - very much like Bardsey Island.
0:05:32 > 0:05:36- Years ago, trade ships - would regularly visit Aberdaron.
0:05:36 > 0:05:38- They would arrive at high tide...
0:05:39 > 0:05:44- ..and at low tide, they could - unload their cargo on to carts...
0:05:44 > 0:05:47- ..to carry it to dry land.
0:05:48 > 0:05:52- When the sailboats arrived, - their bows would point to dry land.
0:05:53 > 0:05:55- When the high tide returned...
0:05:55 > 0:06:00- ..it was a major undertaking - to turn the sailboat around...
0:06:00 > 0:06:02- ..and back towards the ocean.
0:06:02 > 0:06:05- They would throw a rope - off the side of the boat...
0:06:06 > 0:06:11- ..and tie it to an iron ring - on rocks such as Carreg y Ring.
0:06:11 > 0:06:15- This gave them a pivot to counter.
0:06:15 > 0:06:18- Working the sails - in a special way...
0:06:18 > 0:06:22- ..allowed them to counter - the rope and the rock...
0:06:22 > 0:06:24- ..and turn the boats - to face the sea.
0:06:24 > 0:06:27- That trade - has all disappeared now...
0:06:28 > 0:06:33- ..but places, rocks and names - have survived along the coastline...
0:06:33 > 0:06:36- ..to remind us of our busy past.
0:06:45 > 0:06:50- Taking to the water in a rather more - contemporary boat than earlier...
0:06:51 > 0:06:54- ..I head for the two islands - in Aberdaron bay.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57- It's not hard to guess - how these islands were named.
0:06:58 > 0:07:00- Ynys Gwylan Fawr (Large Seagull)...
0:07:00 > 0:07:03- ..and Ynys Gwylan Fach - (Small Seagull).
0:07:14 > 0:07:18- The island have names, - as do parts of the islands.
0:07:18 > 0:07:22- This sheltered part - is called Heuwal yr Ynys.
0:07:22 > 0:07:25- All the caves on this island - also have names.
0:07:25 > 0:07:29- It's hard not to be enchanted, not - only by the beauty of the place...
0:07:29 > 0:07:32- ..but also - by the linguistic wealth around us.
0:07:43 > 0:07:46- I sail on a little further - past Maen Gwenonwy...
0:07:46 > 0:07:51- ..before reaching the coast's - post-industrial landscape.
0:07:57 > 0:08:01- We're heading towards a wonderful - pebble beach called Porth Ysgo.
0:08:01 > 0:08:04- You'll also find Porth Ysgo - on Anglesey.
0:08:05 > 0:08:08- There, Ysgo is named - after 'ysgawen' (elder)...
0:08:08 > 0:08:10- ..the plant with white flowers.
0:08:11 > 0:08:15- Very pretty and I imagine - that's the case here too.
0:08:15 > 0:08:19- I can see elder growing - in the distance, on the slopes.
0:08:30 > 0:08:33- It's peaceful here today...
0:08:33 > 0:08:38- ..but on closer inspection, there is - evidence of a very different past.
0:08:39 > 0:08:44- 90% of British manganese - was once exported from here.
0:08:44 > 0:08:47- It's a mineral used - to strengthen steel.
0:08:48 > 0:08:52- During two World Wars, manganese - was crucial to the war effort.
0:08:56 > 0:08:57- Here it is.
0:08:58 > 0:09:03- A dark, heavy stone - - some people call it the ironstone.
0:09:03 > 0:09:07- Industrial remains are visible - along the coastline...
0:09:07 > 0:09:10- ..to where there was once - a landing bay.
0:09:10 > 0:09:15- That's where the manganese, - or mango, was exported.
0:09:15 > 0:09:17- To find its source...
0:09:17 > 0:09:21- ..I'm travelling uphill to Rhiw.
0:09:27 > 0:09:29- There were different mines here...
0:09:30 > 0:09:33- ..including Benallt, - Tyddyn Meirion and Tynyfron.
0:09:33 > 0:09:37- They were usually named after farms - where land was mined.
0:09:37 > 0:09:42- During World War II, miners were - drafted from Cornwall and Canada...
0:09:42 > 0:09:43- ..to work here.
0:09:44 > 0:09:46- They all learnt a smidgen of Welsh.
0:09:47 > 0:09:52- Before an explosion, they'd shout, - "Barod i danio" (ready to fire)...
0:09:52 > 0:09:55- ..and everyone would find shelter.
0:09:56 > 0:09:58- Remains of old buildings - are still visible...
0:09:58 > 0:10:00- ..on the mountainside.
0:10:01 > 0:10:04- When the Canadians worked here, - their homes were less salubrious.
0:10:05 > 0:10:08- This photograph shows the tents - they slept in.
0:10:08 > 0:10:13- These are local lads at the front - and the Canadians' tents behind.
0:10:13 > 0:10:18- One of their responsibilities was - channelling water out of the shafts.
0:10:19 > 0:10:22- They drilled in to the side - of the slopes...
0:10:22 > 0:10:24- ..to draw out the water.
0:10:24 > 0:10:29- Their attempts were unsuccessful - but the name stuck - Canadian hole.
0:10:29 > 0:10:33- Unfortunately, - no-one knows where it is!
0:10:35 > 0:10:39- As I head back out towards the sea, - and exchange Rhiw for Graig...
0:10:39 > 0:10:43- ..I'm no longer searching - for a quarry shaft.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46- I'm searching - for a rather different retreat.
0:10:50 > 0:10:54- I'm looking for Twll Dihangfa - Sion Twnti (Sion Twnti's Cave).
0:10:55 > 0:10:59- These remains are Twnti, - a cottage beyond the mountain.
0:10:59 > 0:11:03- The only things Sion Twnti had - to sustain his family...
0:11:03 > 0:11:05- ..were these two small fields.
0:11:06 > 0:11:10- In dire straits, - he took to stealing sheep.
0:11:10 > 0:11:15- On one occasion, the police heard of - his exploits and searched for him.
0:11:15 > 0:11:21- He escaped and hid somewhere - on this mountainside to my left.
0:11:23 > 0:11:28- But the local who told me the story - admits he doesn't always know...
0:11:29 > 0:11:32- ..the exact location - of Sion Twnti's cave.
0:11:32 > 0:11:35- I'll have to dig deeper.
0:11:45 > 0:11:49- Sion Twnti knew his locality - like the back of his hand.
0:11:49 > 0:11:54- It took two hours of searching - before I found his cave...
0:11:54 > 0:11:58- ..in a perilous place - between land and sea.
0:11:59 > 0:12:01- The perfect place - to hide from the world.
0:12:13 > 0:12:16- There's just enough room...
0:12:16 > 0:12:20- ..for someone of average size...
0:12:20 > 0:12:21- ..to slide in here.
0:12:23 > 0:12:25- Arms last.
0:12:28 > 0:12:30- Crouched down here...
0:12:30 > 0:12:33- ..this is where Sion Twnti hid...
0:12:34 > 0:12:39- ..with his wife bringing him food - from their cottage.
0:12:40 > 0:12:43- She would also bring a stone - to block the entrance.
0:12:44 > 0:12:48- Sion was nowhere to be seen.
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0:13:00 > 0:13:04- We're on a journey along the - coastline of the Lleyn Peninsula.
0:13:05 > 0:13:08- Leaving the post-industrial - landscape of Rhiw behind...
0:13:09 > 0:13:12- ..we head towards - the sandy beaches of Porth Neigwl.
0:13:17 > 0:13:21- The prevailing south-westerly wind - blows straight into the bay...
0:13:22 > 0:13:24- ..we're heading towards now.
0:13:24 > 0:13:27- It drives huge waves - towards the land.
0:13:27 > 0:13:31- It is little wonder that - the English name for this place...
0:13:31 > 0:13:32- ..is Hell's Mouth.
0:13:38 > 0:13:42- It's hard to explain accurately - the meaning of Porth Neigwl.
0:13:42 > 0:13:45- Neigwl might be a word - originating from Irish or Norse.
0:13:46 > 0:13:50- One things is certain - people - come here for around the world...
0:13:51 > 0:13:54- ..to surf and windsurf - on the white waves.
0:14:04 > 0:14:08- The name Hell's Mouth - was first noted over 200 years ago.
0:14:08 > 0:14:12- Some feel, as this beach - becomes more and more popular...
0:14:12 > 0:14:16- ..that the English name - has supplanted the Welsh name.
0:14:17 > 0:14:21- Some Welsh people translate - the name Hell's Mouth...
0:14:21 > 0:14:23- ..and refer to this beach as Y Geg.
0:14:30 > 0:14:32- At the eastern end of the beach...
0:14:33 > 0:14:38- ..a discovery was recently made - - a Bronze Age brewing trough.
0:14:38 > 0:14:42- One of the directors of Cwrw Llyn - is Myrddin ap Dafydd.
0:14:42 > 0:14:46- An opportunity to see how people - brewed thousands of years ago.
0:14:48 > 0:14:50- This is the trough.
0:14:50 > 0:14:52- This is the trough.- - An exact copy...
0:14:52 > 0:14:55- ..in terms of size - to the one discovered here.
0:14:56 > 0:14:59- You can see a layer of clay...
0:14:59 > 0:15:02- ..and the remains of a bonfire.
0:15:02 > 0:15:04- That darker area?
0:15:04 > 0:15:06- Yes, the dark area.
0:15:07 > 0:15:10- This would stick out, - a piece of bark here...
0:15:10 > 0:15:13- ..carrying water from the stream.
0:15:14 > 0:15:18- This is the barley - which has been prepared for brewing.
0:15:19 > 0:15:23- During the process of brewing - the barley dries.
0:15:24 > 0:15:26- Then it's moistened.
0:15:26 > 0:15:31- As it's moistened, it believes it - will regrow and it releases sugar.
0:15:31 > 0:15:34- That's the sugar required - for brewing.
0:15:34 > 0:15:36- From that sugar, beer is produced.
0:15:37 > 0:15:38- Let's throw it in.
0:15:39 > 0:15:41- The barley's going in.
0:15:42 > 0:15:47- The next step is boiling the water, - this mixture of barley and water.
0:15:48 > 0:15:53- It's a wooden trough so we can't - create a fire underneath it.
0:15:53 > 0:15:55- How are we going to heat it?
0:15:56 > 0:15:58- Those stones are being heated.
0:15:58 > 0:16:01- In go the baskets.
0:16:01 > 0:16:04- The tools are in the water.
0:16:04 > 0:16:07- This is security Bronze Age style!
0:16:08 > 0:16:11- Take the spade - and I'll take the fork.
0:16:11 > 0:16:13- They use these in a pizza oven!
0:16:17 > 0:16:21- It's OK to use the ones - that are split.
0:16:23 > 0:16:25- Place it in one of the baskets.
0:16:26 > 0:16:28- We'll approach it - from this end first.
0:16:30 > 0:16:33- There we go. - That's already boiling.
0:16:36 > 0:16:38- This is gorse.
0:16:38 > 0:16:43- We use hops now but centuries ago, - they used local herbs.
0:16:43 > 0:16:48- Gorse was perfect - it added - to the flavour and it purified it.
0:16:48 > 0:16:53- There's a lot of wild yeast in gorse - and you need yeast to brew beer.
0:16:54 > 0:16:58- We're adding the gorse - while it's simmering.
0:16:58 > 0:17:01- Do people still use - these ingredients in brewing?
0:17:01 > 0:17:06- We made a special batch of beer - to celebrate this discovery...
0:17:07 > 0:17:10- ..and we made beer - using Porth Neigwl gorse.
0:17:10 > 0:17:12- It's a very popular beer.
0:17:12 > 0:17:15- And the beer is called Porth Neigwl.
0:17:15 > 0:17:17- It's delicious.
0:17:17 > 0:17:21- There's something in gorse - that enhances its flavour.
0:17:22 > 0:17:26- There are different names - to the beer the brewery produces.
0:17:26 > 0:17:28- Is that important to you?
0:17:28 > 0:17:29- I believe it is.
0:17:30 > 0:17:34- It's a local brewery and we - wanted to adopt local place names.
0:17:34 > 0:17:37- We can see Bardsey Island - in the distance.
0:17:38 > 0:17:41- Bardsey was popular - with lighthouse workers.
0:17:41 > 0:17:45- They enjoyed visiting Bardsey - because they could have homebrew.
0:17:45 > 0:17:48- It was strong homebrew - - it would explode on the shelves!
0:17:49 > 0:17:51- Seithenyn is the name - of another beer.
0:17:51 > 0:17:54- This is the land - of Cantre'r Gwaelod under the sea.
0:17:54 > 0:18:00- The bottoms of the oak tree trunks - from centuries ago can be seen here.
0:18:00 > 0:18:04- It's proof that there is - some truth to the old tale.
0:18:04 > 0:18:08- The story about the drunken keeper - of the sluice gates...
0:18:08 > 0:18:11- ..that's always a firm favourite.
0:18:11 > 0:18:15- One of the three immortal drunkards - of the British Isles.
0:18:15 > 0:18:19- So few people actually know - about these tales.
0:18:20 > 0:18:22- There's a tale behind every name.
0:18:22 > 0:18:25- There's a talking point - behind each one.
0:18:26 > 0:18:30- It would be rude of us - not to partake of a drink.
0:18:31 > 0:18:32- You've worked for it.
0:18:32 > 0:18:34- We deserve this.
0:18:39 > 0:18:40- Along the coastline we go...
0:18:41 > 0:18:44- ..and the remains of quarries - can be found in Bwlchtocyn.
0:18:45 > 0:18:47- There were lead mines in Penrhyn Du.
0:18:47 > 0:18:52- As was the case in Rhiw, miners - from Cornwall were drafted in.
0:18:52 > 0:18:55- This Cornish engine house - still stands...
0:18:55 > 0:18:58- ..and Cornish names - have survived here.
0:19:00 > 0:19:02- Cornish Row was once a row - of terraced houses...
0:19:03 > 0:19:07- ..and its name is testament - to the origin of its inhabitants.
0:19:11 > 0:19:14- The house has wonderful views - of Abersoch Bay...
0:19:14 > 0:19:17- ..and the boats nestling - in St Tudwal's Roads.
0:19:23 > 0:19:27- Simply put, Roads is - a path or anchorage for boats.
0:19:28 > 0:19:30- There are many - around the British Isles.
0:19:31 > 0:19:34- If the wind blows in - from the north or west...
0:19:34 > 0:19:37- ..St Tudwal's Roads - is among the best places...
0:19:37 > 0:19:39- ..to drop anchor in Cardigan Bay.
0:19:39 > 0:19:43- If the wind turns strongly - in the other direction...
0:19:43 > 0:19:46- ..you could find yourself - in trouble.
0:19:46 > 0:19:49- The winds were strong - on the 22nd of October, 1858.
0:19:50 > 0:19:54- The most famous ship - grounded here was the Ann Pugh...
0:19:54 > 0:19:57- ..which is more commonly known - as Fflat Huw Puw.
0:20:00 > 0:20:04- It's hard to know how much damage - was done during the storm.
0:20:04 > 0:20:07- The Roads remains a bustling bay...
0:20:07 > 0:20:11- ..proof that people - still consider it a safe anchorage.
0:20:15 > 0:20:18- Traeth Castellmarch is - a more expansive beach in Abersoch.
0:20:19 > 0:20:23- The name is linked not only to local - history but national history too.
0:20:24 > 0:20:28- The present owners of Castellmarch - house are Wyn and Helen Jones.
0:20:32 > 0:20:36- Well, Helen and Wyn, you live - in a house steeped in history.
0:20:36 > 0:20:38- It's a wonderful place.
0:20:38 > 0:20:42- This family tree stretches back - for many centuries.
0:20:42 > 0:20:45- The family tree of William Jones.
0:20:45 > 0:20:48- It traces his family - back to Meirion Goch...
0:20:48 > 0:20:51- ..who lived on Lleyn in 1080.
0:20:53 > 0:20:57- He was famous for betraying - Gruffudd ap Cynan to the English.
0:20:58 > 0:21:03- The house was passed on - eventually to William Jones.
0:21:03 > 0:21:06- He built the house as it is now.
0:21:06 > 0:21:08- He was a notable man.
0:21:08 > 0:21:11- He was Beaumaris' MP.
0:21:11 > 0:21:16- He'd worked - as a justice of the peace.
0:21:16 > 0:21:18- He was educated in London.
0:21:18 > 0:21:21- He was born in Castellmarch - in 1566...
0:21:21 > 0:21:25- ..and he built - the present building in 1628.
0:21:25 > 0:21:29- There's a wonderful, - if not incredible tale...
0:21:29 > 0:21:30- ..linked to this place.
0:21:31 > 0:21:34- The tale of March ab Meirchion.
0:21:34 > 0:21:36- He had the ears of a horse.
0:21:38 > 0:21:42- No-one knew his secret - apart from his barber.
0:21:43 > 0:21:45- The barber became very ill.
0:21:45 > 0:21:49- He couldn't cope - with knowing this great secret.
0:21:49 > 0:21:53- March ab Meirchion - had told him he would be killed...
0:21:53 > 0:21:55- ..if he revealed the secret.
0:21:55 > 0:21:59- The barber was ill with worry - and visited his doctor.
0:21:59 > 0:22:04- He told him he had something - weighing heavily on his mind.
0:22:04 > 0:22:10- His doctor told him to tell - his secret to the wet ground.
0:22:10 > 0:22:12- What a great doctor!
0:22:12 > 0:22:16- Not long after, - there was a feast in Castellmarch.
0:22:16 > 0:22:21- Pipers were invited to play music - in the house.
0:22:21 > 0:22:25- They made a pipe from reeds - they found on the wet ground.
0:22:26 > 0:22:27- They played their pipes.
0:22:28 > 0:22:30- What was heard were the words...
0:22:30 > 0:22:33- .."March ab Meirchion - has horse's ears."
0:22:33 > 0:22:36- Everyone was shocked.
0:22:36 > 0:22:39- That's what the pipes played.
0:22:39 > 0:22:44- March removed his crown - and showed everyone his ears.
0:22:44 > 0:22:46- He never hid them again.
0:22:46 > 0:22:50- He was happy with his life - after that - everyone was happy.
0:22:50 > 0:22:52- That's a true story.
0:22:52 > 0:22:54- Every word is true.
0:22:54 > 0:22:56- Every word.
0:23:02 > 0:23:07- Making my way back towards Abersoch, - I launch the boat into Afon Soch...
0:23:07 > 0:23:12- ..which winds its way through - the village on its way to the sea.
0:23:12 > 0:23:17- Soch, the name of the river, has - its origins in the Irish language.
0:23:18 > 0:23:20- It belongs to a group - of river names...
0:23:20 > 0:23:26- ..such as Afon Hwch in Llanberis and - Afon Twrch in the Black Mountains.
0:23:26 > 0:23:31- They take their names from creatures - which burrow through the ground.
0:23:31 > 0:23:33- A very apt and simple name.
0:23:33 > 0:23:36- Be it a shaft in a quarry, - a rock or a river...
0:23:36 > 0:23:40- ..everything, more often than not, - is in the name.
0:23:56 > 0:23:58- S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf.
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