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0:00:10 > 0:00:15- Our journey around - the Llyn Peninsula continues...
0:00:15 > 0:00:19- ..as we search for the stories - behind some of the place names.
0:00:20 > 0:00:24- This is the wonderful story - of the Welsh coastline.
0:00:31 > 0:00:36- This programme will takes us - from Criccieth to Porthmadog...
0:00:36 > 0:00:38- ..and up to Ffestiniog.
0:00:38 > 0:00:42- Having started our journey - in Llanberis...
0:00:42 > 0:00:47- ..we've followed the Llyn coastline - from Caernarfon to Eifionydd...
0:00:47 > 0:00:50- ..somewhere that shares much - with the far end of Llyn.
0:00:50 > 0:00:55- History, culture - and exceptional natural beauty.
0:00:56 > 0:00:59- R Williams Parry - once described Eifionydd...
0:01:00 > 0:01:02- ..as land between sea and mountain.
0:01:02 > 0:01:05- Our focus - for the rest of the journey...
0:01:05 > 0:01:07- ..is the sea, the coast - and the mountain
0:01:25 > 0:01:28- The area around Criccieth...
0:01:28 > 0:01:31- ..has changed greatly - over the past centuries.
0:01:31 > 0:01:35- Artist Robert Cadwalader - has a keen interest...
0:01:35 > 0:01:38- ..in the history and landscape - of his locality.
0:01:39 > 0:01:44- Well, Robert, I've visited numerous - dens but this is one of the best.
0:01:45 > 0:01:48- After retiring from the sea, - I wanted to paint.
0:01:49 > 0:01:52- I bought this hut - - well, it's not a hut, it's a studio.
0:01:53 > 0:01:57- You're a man of your locality. - That's reflected in your work.
0:01:57 > 0:02:01- You're in the middle of something - - tell us more about it.
0:02:02 > 0:02:06- This is a view of Criccieth - from the east...
0:02:07 > 0:02:09- ..with Ystumllyn in the middle.
0:02:10 > 0:02:13- In the 17th century, - this flowed into the sea.
0:02:13 > 0:02:18- Slowly, one end was blocked off - by gravel...
0:02:19 > 0:02:22- ..which had moved along - the coastline.
0:02:22 > 0:02:25- Sometimes, the sea broke through - the bank at Heraig.
0:02:25 > 0:02:27- The beach is called Heraig.
0:02:28 > 0:02:30- Heraig, Neraig, Hen Eraig.
0:02:30 > 0:02:33- There are different pronunciations.
0:02:33 > 0:02:36- I call it Heraig.
0:02:36 > 0:02:41- Are there any other names - you can pinpoint on the painting?
0:02:41 > 0:02:44- There are names - that are long forgotten.
0:02:44 > 0:02:46- Rhiw-for-fawr.
0:02:47 > 0:02:50- Under Rhiw-for-fawr, - you'll find Ogof Du.
0:02:52 > 0:02:55- The peninsula that stretches down - to Y Greigddu...
0:02:55 > 0:02:59- ..there's an old name - that's been long forgotten.
0:02:59 > 0:03:02- Trwyn y Pry or Penrhyn y Pryfaid.
0:03:02 > 0:03:05- That's a forgotten name.
0:03:05 > 0:03:07- Why was it called Trwyn y Pry?
0:03:08 > 0:03:11- I was told that - it came from the word 'prey'.
0:03:11 > 0:03:15- It was a good place - to hunt for rabbits.
0:03:15 > 0:03:16- I see, I see.
0:03:17 > 0:03:22- What would you find beyond - this picture, to the right?
0:03:23 > 0:03:27- There was an island but it's - no longer surrounded by water...
0:03:27 > 0:03:29- ..called Ynyscynhaiarn.
0:03:29 > 0:03:32- It's agricultural land now.
0:03:32 > 0:03:35- They dried out the land - after the war.
0:03:35 > 0:03:38- You can see the trench - in this painting.
0:03:38 > 0:03:44- That stretches under the railway. - That's the high tide mark.
0:03:45 > 0:03:49- Does the sea every break over - the ridge these days?
0:03:49 > 0:03:54- The last time it occurred was - just before World War II, in 1938.
0:03:55 > 0:04:00- There was a bridge over the Cedron - at the mouth of the estuary.
0:04:00 > 0:04:05- It was destroyed 20 minutes after - the school train had passed over it.
0:04:05 > 0:04:11- After the war, a lot of work - was done to control the tide...
0:04:11 > 0:04:14- ..and nothing has happened - since then.
0:04:14 > 0:04:16- It's been tamed finally.
0:04:16 > 0:04:19- It's nature - you never know.
0:04:31 > 0:04:35- Onwards from Criccieth, - past Penrhyn y Pry.
0:04:35 > 0:04:39- There are three striking caves - near Y Greigddu.
0:04:39 > 0:04:43- Ogof Ddrewllyd (Smelly Cave) - and Ogof Fawr (Large Cave).
0:04:43 > 0:04:48- The Owen Morris was a ship which ran - aground into the third cave in 1907.
0:04:58 > 0:05:00- A short distance around the point...
0:05:00 > 0:05:03- ..is the vast expanse - of Traeth Morfa Bychan.
0:05:03 > 0:05:08- Land on one side - and a distant horizon on the other.
0:05:08 > 0:05:12- The horizon in front of me - in the direction of Borth-y-Gest...
0:05:12 > 0:05:15- ..doesn't appear any closer either.
0:05:15 > 0:05:18- The immensity of this beach - dwarfs a person.
0:05:18 > 0:05:22- You feel like a grain of sand - under your feet.
0:05:22 > 0:05:26- Morfa Bychan (Little Marsh) - is an ironic name.
0:05:35 > 0:05:40- The beach ends at this vast estuary - which leads to Porthmadog.
0:05:44 > 0:05:46- Borth-y-Gest is on the way...
0:05:46 > 0:05:49- ..nestled under Moel-y-Gest.
0:05:50 > 0:05:54- I head inland to a town with strong - links to the shipping industry.
0:05:55 > 0:05:59- That link is characterised - in some of the place names.
0:06:04 > 0:06:09- The wooded island behind me - is Cei Balast (Ballast Quay).
0:06:09 > 0:06:14- This is where ships unloaded - their ballast after a sea voyage.
0:06:14 > 0:06:17- Ballast is the weight - at the bottom of a ship...
0:06:17 > 0:06:19- ..to steady it in the water.
0:06:20 > 0:06:23- Ships from Porthmadog - sailed around the world.
0:06:23 > 0:06:27- There are minerals, rocks - and plants on Cei Balast...
0:06:27 > 0:06:30- ..which are alien - to Llyn and Eifionydd.
0:06:41 > 0:06:44- The Llyn coastal path - ends in Porthmadog...
0:06:45 > 0:06:49- ..a town which grew to facilitate - the Ffestiniog slate industry.
0:06:49 > 0:06:53- The town was once a bustling port - where many ships were also built.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57- Over 200 ships.
0:06:57 > 0:07:01- This growth happened - during a short space of time.
0:07:02 > 0:07:07- Local historian Peredur Hughes has - a keen interest in the town's past.
0:07:12 > 0:07:16- If both of us had stood on this hill - 200 years ago...
0:07:16 > 0:07:18- ..what would we see here now?
0:07:19 > 0:07:23- Well, if the tide was in, - we'd see nothing but sea.
0:07:23 > 0:07:25- This would all be sea.
0:07:26 > 0:07:28- As far as the eye could see...
0:07:28 > 0:07:31- ..all the way to Tremadog.
0:07:31 > 0:07:33- It would be nothing but sea.
0:07:33 > 0:07:38- More interestingly, you had little - islands scattered across the sea.
0:07:38 > 0:07:43- They can still be seen today, - although not as prominent as before.
0:07:44 > 0:07:48- Many buildings have been constructed - in Porthmadog around them...
0:07:48 > 0:07:50- ..but they're very interesting.
0:07:50 > 0:07:56- The first one, the nearest to us, - right in front of us...
0:07:56 > 0:07:58- ..is Ynys Tywyn.
0:07:59 > 0:08:03- It's surrounded by water now - - the harbour...
0:08:04 > 0:08:06- ..and what we call Cob Crwn.
0:08:06 > 0:08:09- That circular expanse of water.
0:08:12 > 0:08:16- In the distance, - you can see Ynys Cerrig Duon...
0:08:16 > 0:08:19- ..and Ynys Galch to the left.
0:08:19 > 0:08:23- There are other islands that - can't be seen from this location.
0:08:23 > 0:08:27- These islands are still here, - those are their names...
0:08:27 > 0:08:30- ..even though they're not islands.
0:08:30 > 0:08:32- How did this all happen?
0:08:32 > 0:08:36- It wad the vision of one man - - Williams Madocks.
0:08:36 > 0:08:43- He came here and saw the potential - in drying out the land.
0:08:43 > 0:08:48- He constructed a sea wall in 1800.
0:08:49 > 0:08:56- It stretches from Porthmadog square - all the way to Portreuddyn point.
0:08:57 > 0:09:00- Tremadog became dry land - as a result.
0:09:00 > 0:09:02- In that direction.
0:09:02 > 0:09:05- All the way over to Pen Morfa - and the Wern estate.
0:09:06 > 0:09:08- Since it was such a success...
0:09:08 > 0:09:12- ..he saw the possibility - of further development.
0:09:12 > 0:09:16- He subsequently constructed - the Cob...
0:09:17 > 0:09:21- ..the long strip that goes across.
0:09:21 > 0:09:25- Ynys Tywyn used to be far larger - than it is today.
0:09:26 > 0:09:30- Madocks quarried the stone - from Ynys Tywyn...
0:09:31 > 0:09:35- ..to construct - the Caernarfon side of the Cob.
0:09:35 > 0:09:41- On the Meirionnydd side, - he opened another quarry..
0:09:41 > 0:09:45- ..to construct - the Meirionnydd side of the Cob.
0:09:45 > 0:09:50- Boston Lodge is situated where - the two sides of the Cob joined.
0:09:50 > 0:09:54- Boston strikes me as a strange name - for a building in this area.
0:09:54 > 0:09:59- Boston is a town in Lincolnshire...
0:09:59 > 0:10:05- ..and Madocks was the MP for Boston.
0:10:05 > 0:10:10- That's why it was called Boston - Lodge and the name remains today.
0:10:10 > 0:10:14- This expanse of land stretches - as far as the eye can see.
0:10:15 > 0:10:17- How much land did he reclaim?
0:10:17 > 0:10:20- He reclaimed over 1,000 acres.
0:10:21 > 0:10:24- He then constructed a slate quay...
0:10:24 > 0:10:28- ..to export all the slate that came - down from Blaenau Ffestiniog.
0:10:29 > 0:10:33- Ships were also being built here - and it became a very busy town.
0:10:34 > 0:10:37- Porthmadog grew into the town - we see in front of us.
0:10:37 > 0:10:38- A boomtown!
0:10:38 > 0:10:40- A boomtown!- - A real boomtown. Incredible.
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0:10:53 > 0:10:57- We're on a journey along - the North-west Wales coastline.
0:10:57 > 0:10:59- We're heading towards the uplands...
0:10:59 > 0:11:03- ..following the river to the origin - of the slate industry...
0:11:03 > 0:11:06- ..which had such an influence - on the area.
0:11:07 > 0:11:11- The Dwyryd reaches the sea - at its estuary beyond Porthmadog.
0:11:11 > 0:11:14- We're following it - all the way back to Ffestiniog.
0:11:20 > 0:11:23- After crossing the newly-built - Pont Briwet...
0:11:23 > 0:11:26- ..we encounter - far more established structures...
0:11:26 > 0:11:29- ..left behind - as technology overtook them.
0:11:33 > 0:11:35- Slate fields, dormant now...
0:11:35 > 0:11:39- ..where Ffestiniog slate - was loaded onto boats...
0:11:39 > 0:11:44- ..before being transported downriver - and transferred to larger ships.
0:11:48 > 0:11:52- There were nine quays, but when - the railway was developed...
0:11:52 > 0:11:55- ..to transport the slate - more efficiently...
0:11:56 > 0:11:59- ..the workers on the quays - became incensed.
0:12:02 > 0:12:05- The nickname of the men - who did this job...
0:12:05 > 0:12:07- ..was the philistines.
0:12:07 > 0:12:10- A philistine is someone - who opposes...
0:12:10 > 0:12:13- ..technological - or scientific development.
0:12:13 > 0:12:18- This railway line threatened - the livelihood of the boat workers.
0:12:18 > 0:12:20- They would come up late at night...
0:12:21 > 0:12:24- ...and vandalise parts - of the railway line.
0:12:24 > 0:12:28- Accordingly, - they were dubbed the philistines.
0:12:37 > 0:12:43- After walking down from the railway - line, I reach Plas Tan y Bwlch.
0:12:45 > 0:12:47- At the end of the 18th century...
0:12:47 > 0:12:51- ..Margaret Griffiths from Tan y - Bwlch was searching for a husband...
0:12:51 > 0:12:53- ..who could improve the estate.
0:12:54 > 0:12:57- The ideal man was William Oakeley...
0:12:58 > 0:13:01- ..a wealthy young man - from Staffordshire.
0:13:05 > 0:13:07- Oakeley's arrival at Tan y Bwlch...
0:13:07 > 0:13:10- ..heralded a prosperous time - for the estate.
0:13:10 > 0:13:16- He's remembered mainly for his work - in improving the agricultural land.
0:13:16 > 0:13:21- Before his arrival, the tide would - flow in, the river would overflow...
0:13:21 > 0:13:23- ..rendering the land useless.
0:13:24 > 0:13:28- Oakeley erected an embankment - to control the river...
0:13:28 > 0:13:32- ..which veered in front of the house - to improve the views.
0:13:32 > 0:13:36- This happened during - the Picturesque period...
0:13:36 > 0:13:40- ..where landscapes - were formed and framed perfectly.
0:13:41 > 0:13:45- I must say, the view from here - is as good as any you'll see.
0:13:56 > 0:14:00- Beyond the mansion house, across - the river and its manmade turns...
0:14:00 > 0:14:03- ..the Prysor river flows - into the Dwyryd...
0:14:04 > 0:14:06- ..after passing a wooded valley.
0:14:10 > 0:14:13- On a map, - this is called Coed Felinrhyd...
0:14:13 > 0:14:16- ..but some locals claim - this is a mistake.
0:14:19 > 0:14:23- Eurliw Jones lives in a picturesque - place above the river...
0:14:23 > 0:14:25- ..called Felen Rhyd Fach.
0:14:30 > 0:14:34- So, Eurliw, how long has your family - farmed Felen Rhyd Fach?
0:14:34 > 0:14:38- Mam and Dad lived here - when they were married in 1952.
0:14:38 > 0:14:42- My father's from Caernarfon and - Mam's home was Llanbedr, Harlech.
0:14:42 > 0:14:46- They found a spot in the middle, - between both families.
0:14:46 > 0:14:48- It's an old cottage.
0:14:49 > 0:14:51- It was a small building originally.
0:14:51 > 0:14:56- It's been added to over the years.
0:14:56 > 0:15:01- The Oakeley estate - built the far end.
0:15:01 > 0:15:06- That's the most recent part of the - house but it's 200 years old too!
0:15:07 > 0:15:12- To reach the farm, I walked - through a forest called Felinrhyd.
0:15:12 > 0:15:17- That's my bugbear - - it's meant to be Felen.
0:15:18 > 0:15:22- 'Felen rhyd fach' - is the crossing point in the river.
0:15:22 > 0:15:24- In English, little yellow ford.
0:15:25 > 0:15:27- This stretches back - for many centuries.
0:15:27 > 0:15:30- It's mentioned in the Mabinogion.
0:15:30 > 0:15:35- The story tells of how Gwydion, - who lived in Gwynedd...
0:15:35 > 0:15:39- ..had heard that Pryderi - was selling pigs in Dyfed.
0:15:40 > 0:15:44- They were new animals to the people - of Gwynedd at the time.
0:15:44 > 0:15:47- Pryderi didn't want - to sell the pigs.
0:15:47 > 0:15:49- Gwydion convinced him to sell...
0:15:50 > 0:15:52- ..by offering 12 white stallions...
0:15:52 > 0:15:56- ..hunting dogs - and golden bridles in return.
0:15:56 > 0:16:01- The deal was done and Gwydion - worked his way back up to Gwynedd.
0:16:01 > 0:16:06- Gwydion has exchanged magical - stallions and hunting dogs...
0:16:06 > 0:16:09- ..but these disappeared within days.
0:16:09 > 0:16:11- Pryderi was incensed.
0:16:11 > 0:16:16- He travelled to Gwynedd - with his army to confront Gwydion...
0:16:17 > 0:16:22- ..and there was a major battle - on Traeth Mawr, not far from here.
0:16:22 > 0:16:26- Pryderi was killed - and he was buried by Y Felen Rhyd.
0:16:26 > 0:16:28- That's the correct name.
0:16:28 > 0:16:31- It's important that it's retained.
0:16:31 > 0:16:34- It's such a shame - when names are changed.
0:16:35 > 0:16:37- Where does the 'melyn' (yellow) - come into it?
0:16:38 > 0:16:40- It was the colour of the rock.
0:16:40 > 0:16:44- The shale that is found here, - there's a yellow tint to it.
0:16:44 > 0:16:46- There's no mention - of 'felin' (mill).
0:16:47 > 0:16:49- There are no mills - anywhere near here.
0:16:49 > 0:16:53- It's a tragedy that the name - is used incorrectly.
0:16:53 > 0:16:55- These names shouldn't be lost.
0:17:00 > 0:17:04- Apparently, there was another - ford in Maentwrog.
0:17:05 > 0:17:08- Its location was at 'Maen Twrog' - (Twrog's stone).
0:17:08 > 0:17:12- It's a prominent rock - outside St Twrog's church.
0:17:19 > 0:17:22- Fords were sacred places.
0:17:22 > 0:17:26- Twrog and the Devil, - or the Celtic god of fertility...
0:17:26 > 0:17:29- ..fought over the ownership - of the ford.
0:17:29 > 0:17:33- After a period of fighting, - a ceasefire was called.
0:17:33 > 0:17:36- Twrog climbed - to the top of the Moelwyn...
0:17:36 > 0:17:40- ..and prayed for supernatural - power and strength.
0:17:41 > 0:17:44- This he received - and he picked up a huge rock...
0:17:44 > 0:17:47- ..and threw it down - the mountainside.
0:17:47 > 0:17:52- It landed between the Devil's - hooves, destroyed a pagan altar...
0:17:52 > 0:17:56- ..and the Devil was so frightened, - he stood and flew away.
0:17:56 > 0:17:59- He refused to land - until he reached England.
0:18:00 > 0:18:03- It is said that he remains there - to this day.
0:18:03 > 0:18:07- The stone - and the rather colourful story...
0:18:07 > 0:18:11- ..have survived - as an explanation of the name.
0:18:11 > 0:18:13- Maentwrog.
0:18:20 > 0:18:25- Closer to its source, the Cynfal - is one of a number of tributaries...
0:18:25 > 0:18:28- ..which joins the river Dwyryd.
0:18:29 > 0:18:34- Geraint Vaughan Jones is secretary - of the Cambrian Angling Association.
0:18:34 > 0:18:38- Geraint, our journey started - on the Seiont...
0:18:38 > 0:18:42- ..we travelled along - the Llyn coastline...
0:18:42 > 0:18:45- ..and followed the river - to this location.
0:18:45 > 0:18:47- Water is a wonderful attraction.
0:18:48 > 0:18:51- Indeed. This is the Dwyryd.
0:18:52 > 0:18:55- It's a wonderful river.
0:18:56 > 0:18:58- You have a family link to the river.
0:18:58 > 0:19:01- Yes, according to my father.
0:19:01 > 0:19:04- My great-great-great grandfather...
0:19:04 > 0:19:08- ..use to carry slate, - on a horsed-drawn cart...
0:19:08 > 0:19:12- ..down to the quay - on the lower side of Maentwrog.
0:19:12 > 0:19:18- It was loaded on to the boats and - reloaded onto ships in Porthmadog.
0:19:18 > 0:19:19- That's the story.
0:19:20 > 0:19:23- A ford is a crossing point - in the river.
0:19:23 > 0:19:27- Where were the 'dwy rhyd' - (two fords)?
0:19:27 > 0:19:29- One of the fords - would be Felen Rhyd.
0:19:30 > 0:19:32- It's mentioned in the Mabinogion.
0:19:32 > 0:19:35- The other ford - would be Rhyd y Sarn...
0:19:36 > 0:19:40- ..about three-quarters of a mile - from where we are.
0:19:41 > 0:19:44- The origin of the name Dwyryd - is simple enough.
0:19:44 > 0:19:45- For me it is.
0:19:45 > 0:19:47- The river and all its tributaries...
0:19:48 > 0:19:51- ..flows through - a post-industrial landscape...
0:19:51 > 0:19:55- ..but there's evidence to suggest - this was once a bustling place.
0:19:56 > 0:20:01- When the slate quarries were - at their peak a century ago...
0:20:01 > 0:20:05- ..all the water was required - to turn the mills...
0:20:06 > 0:20:08- ..where the slate was treated.
0:20:08 > 0:20:12- Some tributaries - disappear underground...
0:20:12 > 0:20:15- ..before reappearing elsewhere.
0:20:16 > 0:20:21- There are special names for the - flies you use to fish on this river.
0:20:21 > 0:20:26- The association is the one of the - oldest, if not the oldest, in Wales.
0:20:26 > 0:20:27- It was formed in 1885...
0:20:28 > 0:20:32- ..during a time when houses - were being built...
0:20:32 > 0:20:36- ..they called them houses, - not huts, on every lake.
0:20:36 > 0:20:41- On weekends, the quarrymen - would fish at night, overnight...
0:20:41 > 0:20:43- ..and through the morning.
0:20:44 > 0:20:50- Emrys Evans, who's very - well-known in these parts...
0:20:50 > 0:20:52- ..I have his book here...
0:20:52 > 0:20:54- Fortunately!
0:20:54 > 0:20:58- He maintains - that during those evenings...
0:20:58 > 0:21:04- ..when quarrymen would discuss which - flies worked and which didn't...
0:21:04 > 0:21:08- ..and they experimented - with different flies...
0:21:08 > 0:21:13- ..that numerous local flies - were created at that time.
0:21:13 > 0:21:18- Emrys has described all the flies.
0:21:18 > 0:21:22- One name jumps out at you - immediately.
0:21:22 > 0:21:24- Egarych Sgarff Huw Wan.
0:21:26 > 0:21:28- There's a story behind it.
0:21:28 > 0:21:31- Huw Wan was sat in chapel - one Sunday night...
0:21:32 > 0:21:35- ..and a girl in front of him - was wearing a scarf.
0:21:35 > 0:21:38- He was taken by the colour - of her scarf.
0:21:38 > 0:21:41- Somehow or other, - after leaving the chapel...
0:21:41 > 0:21:43- ..he took a piece of the scarf - for his fly.
0:21:44 > 0:21:45- It's a simple explanation.
0:21:46 > 0:21:50- There are some flies - named after Nain's brother.
0:21:50 > 0:21:52- Here's one - - Cogyn Ifan John Ty Canol.
0:21:53 > 0:21:57- Pluen Sewin Eric Twm - - Eric died about two years ago.
0:21:58 > 0:22:00- He was an accomplished fly tier.
0:22:01 > 0:22:05- These characters - would invent their own flies.
0:22:05 > 0:22:09- They would check to see - if these flies worked first...
0:22:09 > 0:22:12- ..and once they caught fish...
0:22:12 > 0:22:16- ..they were considered official - flies in the Plu Stiniog book.
0:22:16 > 0:22:19- You don't want your name - on something that doesn't work!
0:22:20 > 0:22:21- It wouldn't get acknowledged.
0:22:32 > 0:22:34- The source of all this water...
0:22:34 > 0:22:37- ..is Ffestiniog's mountains.
0:22:39 > 0:22:41- We're surrounded by slate again.
0:22:41 > 0:22:46- Our journey comes full circle - figuratively and literally.
0:22:46 > 0:22:50- As the crow flies, it is only - a few miles to the north...
0:22:50 > 0:22:55- ..to the quarries of Llanberis - where the journey began.
0:23:00 > 0:23:04- This grey slate is a bookend - on either side of the series.
0:23:04 > 0:23:09- The beginning and end aren't - as important as the journey itself.
0:23:09 > 0:23:14- As the older generation leave us, - some names will be lost with them...
0:23:14 > 0:23:18- ..but in a stronghold - of the Welsh language...
0:23:18 > 0:23:23- ..we can only hope - that local people in their wisdom...
0:23:23 > 0:23:27- ..create new names - to replace those that slip away.
0:23:48 > 0:23:50- S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf.
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