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0:00:18 > 0:00:23- Hello and welcome to Ffermio - from Ceirnioge Mawr, Pentrefoelas.
0:00:23 > 0:00:26- We're here for the end of an era...
0:00:26 > 0:00:30- ..in terms of breeding and - registering Welsh mountain sheep.
0:00:31 > 0:00:36- We'll also be launching the annual - Ifor Williams trailer competition.
0:00:37 > 0:00:40- And we'll be looking - at the latest Brexit news.
0:00:41 > 0:00:47- First, last week, Daloni - went to meet Richard Tudor...
0:00:47 > 0:00:49- ..on his farm, Llysun, Llanerfyl.
0:00:50 > 0:00:53- Congratulations to him...
0:00:53 > 0:00:58- ..for winning the Best Beef Farmer - in the Farmers' Weekly Awards.
0:00:58 > 0:00:59- Quite an achievement.
0:01:01 > 0:01:04- With agricultural markets - becoming ever more arbitrary...
0:01:05 > 0:01:07- ..there's yet more emphasis - on diversification.
0:01:08 > 0:01:10- Securing another income stream - for the farm.
0:01:10 > 0:01:13- Daloni has been - to meet one farmer...
0:01:13 > 0:01:17- ..who has harnessed - the natural resources on his land...
0:01:17 > 0:01:20- ..to generate energy - and building materials.
0:01:24 > 0:01:27- This is Blaencwm Farm, - Cynllwyd, Llanuwchllyn.
0:01:28 > 0:01:31- It's home to Wyn and Laura Jones - and their family...
0:01:31 > 0:01:33- ..and Wyn's parents - Arwyn and Glenys.
0:01:34 > 0:01:36- The farmyard is 1,000 feet - above sea level.
0:01:37 > 0:01:41- The land extends up the mountain - as high as 2,000 feet.
0:01:41 > 0:01:47- Welsh Mountain sheep and Welsh Black - cattle are reared here on 650 acres.
0:01:49 > 0:01:52- You live in an amazing place.
0:01:52 > 0:01:57- I've never been here before - but the view is incredible.
0:01:58 > 0:01:59- It's a lovely day.
0:01:59 > 0:02:03- We're lucky - to live in such a splendid place.
0:02:04 > 0:02:08- We know we're very lucky.
0:02:08 > 0:02:10- Where are we geographically?
0:02:10 > 0:02:14- On the road between Llanuwchllyn - and Dinas Mawddwy.
0:02:15 > 0:02:19- Bwlch-y-groes - is the name of the area.
0:02:19 > 0:02:24- It's the highest road in Wales.
0:02:25 > 0:02:26- We are quite high up.
0:02:26 > 0:02:29- We are quite high up.- - How are you diversifying?
0:02:29 > 0:02:33- My father bought a mobile sawmill - in the 1990s.
0:02:34 > 0:02:36- He would visit a lot of farms.
0:02:38 > 0:02:42- Then we concentrated more - on cutting up wood at home.
0:02:44 > 0:02:49- Then we moved on to machinery that - dried wood and planks in particular.
0:02:49 > 0:02:53- We can do oak floors - and skirtings and doors.
0:02:54 > 0:02:58- We had a problem with the waste wood - from that process.
0:02:59 > 0:03:04- So we bought in a biomass boiler - to heat both our houses.
0:03:05 > 0:03:07- It also helps with drying the wood.
0:03:09 > 0:03:14- We also erected a windmill in - Llanidloes a couple of years back.
0:03:14 > 0:03:19- It all helps with income.
0:03:20 > 0:03:25- Over the years, they've benefitted - from several environmental schemes.
0:03:25 > 0:03:28- Today, they are hosting - an open day...
0:03:28 > 0:03:32- ..for the Farmers Union of Wales - and the FWAG Association...
0:03:32 > 0:03:36- ..the Farming and Wildlife - Advisory Group.
0:03:36 > 0:03:41- In 2014, we joined Glastir Entry.
0:03:41 > 0:03:46- The following year, - we joined Glastir Advanced.
0:03:47 > 0:03:52- We've done a lot of work restoring - hedges and fencing and the like.
0:03:52 > 0:03:55- It works well with the farm.
0:03:56 > 0:04:01- Dewi Davies, a consultant, helped - with getting it to suit the farm.
0:04:02 > 0:04:06- He helped to match it up - with the environmental plan.
0:04:06 > 0:04:09- How do you see things developing?
0:04:10 > 0:04:15- We want to sustain - our conservational activities.
0:04:15 > 0:04:19- We have quite a wealth of bird - species and wildlife around here.
0:04:20 > 0:04:24- It's really good to see them here - with the stock.
0:04:27 > 0:04:32- Since 1990, the family has - established several schemes here.
0:04:32 > 0:04:33- They all involve wood.
0:04:36 > 0:04:39- How did you start - working with wood, Arwyn?
0:04:40 > 0:04:43- I must have had some love for wood.
0:04:45 > 0:04:50- There were rumours that farm - subsidies were being reduced.
0:04:52 > 0:04:56- I came across this saw - in the show in Llanelwedd.
0:04:57 > 0:05:00- I liked it and I bought it.
0:05:00 > 0:05:05- We've been at it ever since - and this is our third one.
0:05:06 > 0:05:08- What can it do?
0:05:08 > 0:05:11- It's not a normal saw.
0:05:11 > 0:05:13- It's not a normal saw.- - It's called a bandsaw.
0:05:13 > 0:05:15- It's very mobile and versatile.
0:05:15 > 0:05:20- It cuts hardwood, softwood, - small pieces, large pieces.
0:05:21 > 0:05:25- It cuts anything from a foot - to a full yard in thickness.
0:05:26 > 0:05:30- You started out going - from farm to farm cutting wood.
0:05:30 > 0:05:32- That's where I started.
0:05:32 > 0:05:38- I covered a huge area from Anglesey - as far south as Llanddewi Brefi.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41- By now, you have a use - for the waste too.
0:05:41 > 0:05:43- We do indeed.
0:05:44 > 0:05:49- Wyn bought the biomass boiler when - he saw there was support for it.
0:05:50 > 0:05:52- It made complete sense.
0:05:52 > 0:05:56- We had a huge pile of offcuts.
0:05:57 > 0:06:00- It was worth running them - through a chipper...
0:06:00 > 0:06:03- ..and using them - to keep the houses warm.
0:06:04 > 0:06:07- Is there too much for you - and the family?
0:06:07 > 0:06:13- The boiler is more powerful - than was required for our houses.
0:06:13 > 0:06:16- We keep timber dry in this shed.
0:06:18 > 0:06:22- I hope to have a kiln to dry wood...
0:06:22 > 0:06:25- ..rather than use electricity - to dry them.
0:06:28 > 0:06:33- Today is an opportunity to discuss - upland farmers' hopes and fears.
0:06:35 > 0:06:40- Blaencwm - is a great example of someone...
0:06:40 > 0:06:46- ..who's looked for new ideas and - new income streams going forward.
0:06:47 > 0:06:50- We're facing big challenges - - leaving Europe and so on.
0:06:51 > 0:06:55- Here, someone's thought positively, - had a go and succeeded...
0:06:55 > 0:06:59- ..to secure future income...
0:06:59 > 0:07:03- ..on an upland farm - such as this one.
0:07:03 > 0:07:07- A day like this inspires people - to think of new ideas.
0:07:08 > 0:07:12- The discussions we've had, - bringing politicians in...
0:07:12 > 0:07:18- ..and receiving positive comments - from them, are great for the future.
0:07:19 > 0:07:22- We're here - to open the children's eyes...
0:07:22 > 0:07:28- ..to how farms can diversify - so they can stay in the countryside.
0:07:30 > 0:07:33- How important are days like these?
0:07:33 > 0:07:35- What's worthwhile for me...
0:07:36 > 0:07:40- ..is seeing the initiative - of the people of this valley.
0:07:40 > 0:07:42- They've started a timber industry.
0:07:42 > 0:07:47- We've seen how they've developed, - keeping cattle and so on.
0:07:47 > 0:07:52- Behind us, they've installed - a satellite to receive broadband.
0:07:52 > 0:07:56- We don't have a signal in this area - but they've found a way.
0:07:57 > 0:08:00- At the same time, - it shows the challenges...
0:08:00 > 0:08:03- ..faced by family businesses - in areas such as this.
0:08:03 > 0:08:05- It's a lovely day.
0:08:06 > 0:08:09- With all the challenges - facing agriculture...
0:08:09 > 0:08:11- ..it's a chance to celebrate...
0:08:11 > 0:08:15- ..but we must also ensure - that we fight for our future.
0:08:15 > 0:08:16- What kind of day has it been?
0:08:16 > 0:08:18- What kind of day has it been?- - A good one.
0:08:18 > 0:08:20- The weather has been favourable.
0:08:21 > 0:08:23- A good crowd's turned up.
0:08:23 > 0:08:26- I've enjoyed myself immensely.
0:08:31 > 0:08:35- Here in Ceirnioge Mawr, the rams - are about to go under the hammer.
0:08:35 > 0:08:39- It's the end of Cyril Lewis' - long stint as secretary of CAMDA.
0:08:40 > 0:08:44- CAMDA stands for Cymdeithas - Amcanu Defaid Amgenach...
0:08:44 > 0:08:47- ..the Society for Sheep Improvement.
0:08:47 > 0:08:53- We began in 1973-1974.
0:08:53 > 0:08:57- There was a big sheep conference - in New Zealand.
0:08:58 > 0:09:01- A group of academics went out there.
0:09:01 > 0:09:05- When they came back, - they decided to start a scheme...
0:09:05 > 0:09:09- ..similar to one - running in New Zealand.
0:09:10 > 0:09:12- ABRO was running Rhyd y Glafes farm.
0:09:13 > 0:09:18- Professor John King and Caradog - Roberts were running ABRO then.
0:09:19 > 0:09:21- What was ABRO?
0:09:21 > 0:09:24- The Animal Breeding - Research Organization...
0:09:25 > 0:09:27- ..that was run from Edinburgh.
0:09:27 > 0:09:30- Everyone started off with ten sheep.
0:09:31 > 0:09:34- Some were good sheep, - others were not so good.
0:09:35 > 0:09:38- Gwyn Williams - from Bangor University...
0:09:38 > 0:09:43- ..and Caradog Roberts from Edinburgh - were behind the scheme.
0:09:44 > 0:09:47- It's gone well.
0:09:48 > 0:09:53- Around 1980-1981, - ABRO sold all the farms...
0:09:54 > 0:09:58- ..and we needed to find - somewhere else to keep the sheep.
0:09:58 > 0:10:02- Dr Gwyn Williams was friendly - with Captain Charles Wynne-Finch.
0:10:03 > 0:10:06- They came to an agreement - over this vacant farm...
0:10:07 > 0:10:10- ..and we brought the sheep here.
0:10:10 > 0:10:15- We've had some good lads working - with us, looking after the stock.
0:10:15 > 0:10:17- Because everyone considered...
0:10:18 > 0:10:22- ..that Welsh lambs - weighed too little...
0:10:22 > 0:10:28- ..our aim was to make the sheep - larger and to improve their build.
0:10:31 > 0:10:34- We wanted them - to produce more lambs...
0:10:34 > 0:10:37- ..that were of a higher standard.
0:10:37 > 0:10:42- We came across a problem after - working on this for some ten years.
0:10:42 > 0:10:45- The sheep had become quite large...
0:10:45 > 0:10:48- ..and they didn't like - going up on the mountain.
0:10:49 > 0:10:51- We had to change tack...
0:10:51 > 0:10:55- ..and chose those - with the best conformation...
0:10:55 > 0:10:58- ..from those with the highest index.
0:10:59 > 0:11:01- That worked very well.
0:11:01 > 0:11:03- Has it been successful?
0:11:05 > 0:11:06- To be honest...
0:11:06 > 0:11:09- ..when it comes to selling rams...
0:11:10 > 0:11:15- ..the rams with the highest index - are very rarely the top sellers.
0:11:25 > 0:11:27- With the recording - and the breeding...
0:11:28 > 0:11:31- ..we'd like a nice one if possible, - but they are rare.
0:11:31 > 0:11:34- If you can get - the two things together...
0:11:34 > 0:11:36- ..you have something worthwhile.
0:11:37 > 0:11:40- You should write a book - about all this, Cyril.
0:11:41 > 0:11:44- It's a long time.
0:11:44 > 0:11:49- I've been the secretary - for 40 years.
0:11:51 > 0:11:55- I was only doing it temporarily - when I started in 1976...
0:11:56 > 0:11:58- ..just until they found - someone else.
0:11:58 > 0:12:01- Let this be a lesson to anyone...
0:12:01 > 0:12:04- ..who takes over - a secretary's position temporarily.
0:12:05 > 0:12:08- Nobody else will step in - to take your place!
0:12:13 > 0:12:15- One thing is certain.
0:12:15 > 0:12:18- It will be easier to sell the rams - at Ceirnioge...
0:12:18 > 0:12:22- ..than to sort out the problems - created by the decision...
0:12:22 > 0:12:23- ..to leave the EU.
0:12:24 > 0:12:26- We'll discuss it after the break.
0:12:26 > 0:12:27- See you in two minutes.
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0:12:39 > 0:12:45- Welcome back to the final CAMDA sale - at Ceirnioge Mawr, Pentrefoelas.
0:12:45 > 0:12:49- The ewes were sold - around three weeks ago.
0:12:49 > 0:12:52- It's just the rams - and ram lambs left.
0:12:58 > 0:13:00- There are two different - kinds of buyers.
0:13:01 > 0:13:03- Welsh breeders come here - looking for a ram...
0:13:04 > 0:13:06- ..from its look, body and colour.
0:13:06 > 0:13:10- People looking for Welsh lambs - to fatten come here too.
0:13:10 > 0:13:13- They want the index, - the muscle fat and so on.
0:13:13 > 0:13:16- One of the rams - went for 2,300 guineas.
0:13:16 > 0:13:18- That was a chap from Tal-y-bont.
0:13:19 > 0:13:22- He's been here buying - since the very first sale.
0:13:22 > 0:13:26- He goes from the figures - more than the animal type.
0:13:26 > 0:13:28- Rhodri Moelgolomen...
0:13:28 > 0:13:32- ..you've come all the way - from Ceredigion to Pentrefoelas.
0:13:32 > 0:13:35- What attracted you to the sale?
0:13:35 > 0:13:37- We've always come up to CAMDA.
0:13:38 > 0:13:42- We keep records at home as have - CAMDA for the last 40 years.
0:13:44 > 0:13:46- We've done the same for 20 years.
0:13:46 > 0:13:48- There aren't many places in Wales...
0:13:48 > 0:13:53- ..where you can buy Welsh Mountain - sheep with these figures.
0:13:53 > 0:13:56- It's a sad day for us. - We've bought two good rams here.
0:13:57 > 0:14:00- Next year, - only three flocks in Wales...
0:14:00 > 0:14:04- ..keep the type of Welsh Mountain - sheep who record.
0:14:06 > 0:14:09- It's strange to think - that this is ending.
0:14:09 > 0:14:14- Yes, it's very strange. It's very - popular. I've been coming for years.
0:14:14 > 0:14:16- I'm sure you've bought - now and again.
0:14:17 > 0:14:19- Yes, I've got one at home now.
0:14:20 > 0:14:24- Like every sale, - people pick the same things.
0:14:24 > 0:14:28- Some go for 2,000 - some for 700-800...
0:14:28 > 0:14:31- ..and some for as little as 100.
0:14:31 > 0:14:36- Is it interesting to you, being - able to come and sell on a farm?
0:14:36 > 0:14:38- Yes, it's a big change.
0:14:38 > 0:14:41- Welsh Mountain sheep can be - the hardest animals to sell.
0:14:42 > 0:14:44- We bought two last year.
0:14:45 > 0:14:47- I'm very pleased with them.
0:14:47 > 0:14:50- Did you look at figures - when you were buying?
0:14:51 > 0:14:52- Not as much as others.
0:14:53 > 0:14:58- I wanted the type with a good head, - body and the best conformation.
0:14:59 > 0:15:02- Given the fattened Welsh lamb - market, it's been a very good sale.
0:15:08 > 0:15:12- The Prime Minister, - Theresa May, has announced...
0:15:12 > 0:15:16- ..the UK will begin the process - of leaving the EU by March 2017.
0:15:17 > 0:15:21- That was the subject - of the FUW's conference this year.
0:15:22 > 0:15:26- After a strong campaign - to remain in the European Union...
0:15:26 > 0:15:30- The Farmers Union of Wales - have gathered at Llanelwedd.
0:15:31 > 0:15:33- They want to discuss - the possibilities...
0:15:34 > 0:15:36- ..and opportunities - for the industry.
0:15:36 > 0:15:40- I feel a responsibility now - to make sure that it works.
0:15:40 > 0:15:45- I do feel we have a responsibility - to lead and set a foundation.
0:15:46 > 0:15:50- One thing came out - from Warwick Lightfoot this morning.
0:15:50 > 0:15:53- It was positive for me.
0:15:53 > 0:15:59- In his opinion, the traditional - Welsh family farm...
0:15:59 > 0:16:03- ..will be more certain - of its future than big farms...
0:16:04 > 0:16:07- ..where they get - up to 800,000 in subsidies.
0:16:07 > 0:16:10- We'll have to look after - the family farm.
0:16:10 > 0:16:15- The taxpayer will prefer - seeing the money go to family farms.
0:16:15 > 0:16:21- It's important that the pot of money - is spread to where it's needed.
0:16:21 > 0:16:26- I think that came out - quite clearly this morning.
0:16:26 > 0:16:31- If we're going to get - favourable trade deals...
0:16:31 > 0:16:37- ..cheap food will come in - from other countries too.
0:16:37 > 0:16:41- A spin has been put recently...
0:16:41 > 0:16:47- ..on free trade - with Australia and New Zealand.
0:16:49 > 0:16:53- As far as agriculture is concerned, - that won't help at all.
0:16:53 > 0:16:55- It will hinder us.
0:16:55 > 0:17:00- Australia and New Zealand - want to import to this country...
0:17:00 > 0:17:04- ..exactly what we want to export - from this country.
0:17:04 > 0:17:06- It doesn't make much sense.
0:17:06 > 0:17:13- Welsh farmers receive over 200 - million in European funds annually.
0:17:13 > 0:17:16- They also gain access - to 500 million customers.
0:17:17 > 0:17:19- What challenges - does the industry face?
0:17:19 > 0:17:23- I think the main political challenge - we have...
0:17:23 > 0:17:26- ..is that we're not sure - who we'll be working with.
0:17:26 > 0:17:29- There's still a tension - and uncertainty.
0:17:30 > 0:17:33- We're not sure who is going - to fund agriculture.
0:17:33 > 0:17:36- We know the money comes - from the Treasury.
0:17:36 > 0:17:40- We don't know - what the route back to farmers is.
0:17:40 > 0:17:42- The last thing we want to see...
0:17:42 > 0:17:45- ..is the money going - through the Barnett Formula.
0:17:45 > 0:17:48- That will cut the money - that comes to agriculture.
0:17:48 > 0:17:52- We also don't want it in a position - where it can be moved...
0:17:52 > 0:17:56- ..from one budget to another in - Wales under political motivations.
0:17:57 > 0:18:02- We want something that guarantees - money for agriculture.
0:18:02 > 0:18:04- Maybe we need a framework.
0:18:04 > 0:18:07- That is a huge political discussion.
0:18:07 > 0:18:11- We as the FUW have asked - for a law to be drafted...
0:18:12 > 0:18:19- ..that forces local authorities and - the public sector to buy locally.
0:18:19 > 0:18:22- If we do that, - it will transform the market.
0:18:23 > 0:18:26- It will guarantee the long term - sustainability of the industry.
0:18:26 > 0:18:30- A wide range of speakers - are discussing various topics...
0:18:30 > 0:18:33- ..ranging from the economy - to communities.
0:18:33 > 0:18:37- They include Aled Jones, - the RWAS Assistant Chief Executive.
0:18:37 > 0:18:41- One of the things that struck me - is that there will now be a focus...
0:18:41 > 0:18:45- ..on ensuring trade deals - with other countries outside Europe.
0:18:45 > 0:18:47- There are challenges there.
0:18:47 > 0:18:51- There are political battles - we'll have to fight...
0:18:51 > 0:18:53- ..to get these deals to work for us.
0:18:53 > 0:18:57- There's a role for us to play - in this as a society.
0:18:57 > 0:19:01- I made a presentation following - the Nuffield Scholarship.
0:19:01 > 0:19:04- I looked at wider roles.
0:19:04 > 0:19:07- The main purpose of that role - has evolved...
0:19:07 > 0:19:12- ..over our long history - of promoting agriculture.
0:19:12 > 0:19:16- That was to produce more. We now - promote agriculture to the public.
0:19:17 > 0:19:18- We need to get the customer...
0:19:19 > 0:19:21- ..to support the produce - we make in Wales.
0:19:21 > 0:19:24- There were many themes on the day.
0:19:24 > 0:19:28- One was the importance - of the environment...
0:19:28 > 0:19:30- ..as part of future subsidies.
0:19:31 > 0:19:34- The public image of the industry - was important too.
0:19:34 > 0:19:36- How do farmers look to the future?
0:19:37 > 0:19:43- As a mountain farmer, - subsidies are incredibly important.
0:19:43 > 0:19:49- It represents around three quarters - of our income on mountain farms.
0:19:49 > 0:19:54- What we produce in Welsh lambs - doesn't come to much money.
0:19:54 > 0:19:58- It hasn't done so for a few years.
0:19:58 > 0:20:05- Until we get the money we expect - from the lambs that we produce...
0:20:05 > 0:20:07- ..we can't do without them.
0:20:08 > 0:20:13- As we've heard today, we've - got the produce and the country.
0:20:13 > 0:20:18- We need to use it and sell it here, - not in foreign countries.
0:20:18 > 0:20:20- We need to start here.
0:20:21 > 0:20:24- The point I made was that - while we are becoming...
0:20:24 > 0:20:29- ..more and more regulated - which adds cost to our product...
0:20:29 > 0:20:31- ..in other parts of the world...
0:20:32 > 0:20:36- ..other countries that are not - as highly regulated as us...
0:20:36 > 0:20:39- ..they carry on producing - their products...
0:20:39 > 0:20:42- ..without the environmental - standards...
0:20:42 > 0:20:46- ..without the animal welfare - standards we have here in the UK.
0:20:47 > 0:20:52- It enables them to import cheaper - product here to us in the UK.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56- As a farmer, - I want a level playing field.
0:20:56 > 0:20:59- There's a little worry - but we need to be positive.
0:21:00 > 0:21:02- We're leaving Europe.
0:21:02 > 0:21:09- We need to work hard to market - our produce to the outside market.
0:21:10 > 0:21:13- I think it's important - to be positive.
0:21:13 > 0:21:16- There's always an upside - to every challenge.
0:21:16 > 0:21:18- Nothing comes easy.
0:21:18 > 0:21:21- I think it's a good thing - that this has happened.
0:21:21 > 0:21:25- You'll get no fruit - without shaking the tree.
0:21:25 > 0:21:28- It's good to shake things up - now and again.
0:21:34 > 0:21:37- Next, the details - of our annual competition.
0:21:42 > 0:21:46- This year again, - we've got three excellent prizes.
0:21:47 > 0:21:51- They've all been donated - by Ifor Williams Trailers.
0:21:51 > 0:21:57- The first prize, the horsebox - trailer, HB506 worth 4,180.
0:21:59 > 0:22:05- The second prize - is the P8G trailer worth 1,945.
0:22:06 > 0:22:11- The third prize - is the P7e trailer worth 950.
0:22:11 > 0:22:16- To win one of them, you will have - to answer five simple questions.
0:22:16 > 0:22:20- They will be announced on Ffermio - from next week onwards.
0:22:20 > 0:22:25- The first letter of each answer will - be an anagram of a five-letter word.
0:22:25 > 0:22:32- You'll need to send us that word - by 23 November.
0:22:32 > 0:22:36- The details and rules of the - competition are on our website.
0:22:36 > 0:22:40- Don't forget to watch next week's - programme for the first question.
0:22:41 > 0:22:42- Good luck to you all.
0:22:47 > 0:22:48- That's it for another week.
0:22:48 > 0:22:53- The rams have all been sold - and spread all across the country.
0:22:53 > 0:22:57- They'll be breeding and keeping - the CAMDA blood...
0:22:57 > 0:23:00- ..in the Welsh Mountain flock.
0:23:00 > 0:23:05- That's it for now. From myself - and the Ffermio team, goodbye.
0:23:23 > 0:23:25- S4C Subtitles by Testun Cyf.
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