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0:00:19 > 0:00:22- Hello and a very warm welcome - to Ffermio.
0:00:22 > 0:00:27- We're at the Anglesey Show Pavilion - to mark an important milestone...
0:00:27 > 0:00:30- ..for Emyr Evans' - agricultural machinery company.
0:00:31 > 0:00:35- But we start - with a Ffermio exclusive.
0:00:35 > 0:00:39- Meinir interviewed British - Prime Minister David Cameron...
0:00:39 > 0:00:44- ..during an FUW-organized visit - to a farm in the Dee Valley.
0:00:46 > 0:00:49- I'm on Tyfos Farm - in Llandrillo, Denbighshire...
0:00:50 > 0:00:54- ..as local farmers get a chance - to discuss the topic of the day...
0:00:54 > 0:00:57- ..whether to stay or leave Europe...
0:00:57 > 0:01:00- ..with the Prime Minister, no less.
0:01:03 > 0:01:06- Prime Minister, - why should we remain in Europe?
0:01:06 > 0:01:10- I think we're going to be better off - in a reformed Europe...
0:01:10 > 0:01:14- ..stronger in a reformed Europe - and safer in a reformed Europe.
0:01:14 > 0:01:17- For farming, I think the arguments - are absolutely nailed on.
0:01:18 > 0:01:22- We have unrestricted, quota-free, - tariff-free, tax-free access...
0:01:22 > 0:01:25- ..to a market of 500 million - consumers across Europe.
0:01:26 > 0:01:29- 90% of the Welsh beef and lamb - that is exported...
0:01:29 > 0:01:32- ..goes to the other - European countries.
0:01:32 > 0:01:33- Why give that up?
0:01:33 > 0:01:36- Why put that at risk when the people - who want us to leave...
0:01:36 > 0:01:40- ..can't tell us what sort of access - we'd have to that market?
0:01:40 > 0:01:41- We know what we've got now.
0:01:41 > 0:01:44- Let's keep going with making sure - the regulations are simpler...
0:01:44 > 0:01:46- ..farm payments are made faster...
0:01:46 > 0:01:49- ..and we invest in this brilliant - industry where we produce...
0:01:49 > 0:01:52- ..some of the cleanest and best meat - and food anywhere in the world.
0:01:52 > 0:01:56- If the British public decide - they want to come out of Europe...
0:01:56 > 0:01:58- ..is there a plan B for farmers?
0:01:58 > 0:01:59- ..is there a plan B for farmers?- - Absolutely.
0:01:59 > 0:02:02- We'd have to put in place - a farm support system...
0:02:02 > 0:02:05- ..because we wouldn't have - an agricultural industry...
0:02:05 > 0:02:06- ..as strong as we do.
0:02:06 > 0:02:09- We wouldn't have countryside - as beautiful as we do...
0:02:09 > 0:02:11- ..if we didn't keep Britain farming.
0:02:11 > 0:02:14- As Prime Minister, I'd always want - to keep Britain farming.
0:02:14 > 0:02:18- Those who want us to leave - should be the ones spelling out...
0:02:18 > 0:02:20- ..what they think - that system will be like.
0:02:20 > 0:02:22- If you're going - to leave this organization...
0:02:23 > 0:02:25- ..why should the other 27 members - suddenly turn round...
0:02:26 > 0:02:28- ..and give you a great deal - for access to their market?
0:02:28 > 0:02:32- At the moment, we're a net importer - of agri food products from Europe...
0:02:33 > 0:02:36- ..importing twice as much - as what we were exporting to Europe.
0:02:37 > 0:02:40- Wouldn't it be better - for us to take the Brexit option?
0:02:40 > 0:02:41- Not at all.
0:02:41 > 0:02:44- Of course, we're selling a lot in, - we buy a lot out.
0:02:44 > 0:02:46- But at the end of the day...
0:02:46 > 0:02:49- ..if we leave, we don't know - the access that we'd get.
0:02:50 > 0:02:52- Because we're responsible...
0:02:52 > 0:02:55- ..just take one industry - in agriculture, sheep...
0:02:55 > 0:02:59- ..we are responsible for 40% - of Europe's sheep production.
0:02:59 > 0:03:01- If we leave, can we be certain...
0:03:01 > 0:03:04- ..that others wouldn't want - to grab that share off us?
0:03:04 > 0:03:07- I don't think we can be, - so I would say, stay in...
0:03:07 > 0:03:11- ..because we know what we get with - a market of 500 million consumers.
0:03:11 > 0:03:15- One man who has been pivotal - in organizing this FUW event...
0:03:16 > 0:03:19- ..is Huw Jones, - the Meirionnydd county officer.
0:03:19 > 0:03:21- I think we've had a very good day.
0:03:21 > 0:03:25- Staying in Europe is vital - for the agricultural industry.
0:03:25 > 0:03:27- It's crucial for our future.
0:03:27 > 0:03:31- We're the only union - to have stated that from the outset.
0:03:31 > 0:03:36- A substantial fall is foreseen - in basic payments over coming years.
0:03:36 > 0:03:40- Wouldn't it be better - if we did leave Europe?
0:03:41 > 0:03:45- It's true that payments from Europe - will drop a certain amount.
0:03:45 > 0:03:48- But the truth is, - we know fairly well...
0:03:48 > 0:03:52- ..where we stand for - the next five years, if we stay in.
0:03:52 > 0:03:57- If we did leave, we would be - in a seriously uncertain situation.
0:03:57 > 0:04:03- What it would mean for the future - of farming and the rural economy...
0:04:03 > 0:04:05- ..scares us stiff.
0:04:05 > 0:04:10- The rural economy would disintegrate - were this to happen.
0:04:11 > 0:04:15- How does Wales benefit - if we do stay in Europe?
0:04:16 > 0:04:18- This is the crux of the matter, - of course.
0:04:19 > 0:04:21- The argument is often put forward...
0:04:21 > 0:04:27- ..that the UK as a whole pays more - into Europe than we get back.
0:04:27 > 0:04:31- But importantly, - in Wales, we do benefit.
0:04:32 > 0:04:37- We get 850 million more in - than we pay out.
0:04:38 > 0:04:41- That's what's important, - in the context of Wales.
0:04:41 > 0:04:43- We must remember - how much we benefit.
0:04:45 > 0:04:49- Brothers Richard and David Williams - farm here at Tyfos.
0:04:49 > 0:04:52- Have they decided yet?
0:04:52 > 0:04:54- For us on this farm...
0:04:54 > 0:04:57- ..mostly a sheep farm - and in the uplands...
0:04:57 > 0:05:01- ..as you can see, - it's pretty bleak here.
0:05:01 > 0:05:06- The market for lamb in Europe - is very important to us, isn't it?
0:05:06 > 0:05:10- If we didn't have that market, I - don't know where our lamb would go.
0:05:10 > 0:05:13- Some of it would go in this country.
0:05:13 > 0:05:17- But if we couldn't get rid of all - the lamb, it would be a problem.
0:05:17 > 0:05:19- Prices would drop, wouldn't they?
0:05:19 > 0:05:22- Also, the subsidies - we receive from Europe...
0:05:22 > 0:05:25- ..are crucial for us - as farmers in the uplands.
0:05:26 > 0:05:28- You haven't received yours yet.
0:05:28 > 0:05:30- No, we haven't received - our payments yet.
0:05:31 > 0:05:32- Out of the farmers here today...
0:05:33 > 0:05:36- ..eight or nine of us - at the kitchen table...
0:05:36 > 0:05:39- ..four of them - hadn't been paid theirs either.
0:05:39 > 0:05:40- That's nearly 50%.
0:05:41 > 0:05:46- David Cameron said that it wasn't a - problem from Westminster or Europe.
0:05:47 > 0:05:51- It was the Welsh Assembly's fault - that those payments hadn't come.
0:05:53 > 0:05:57- We get a lot of money from Europe, - directly and indirectly.
0:05:57 > 0:06:03- For example, in the Pillar 1 money - we get with the single payment.
0:06:03 > 0:06:05- The average Welsh farmer...
0:06:06 > 0:06:09- ..pays 100,000 - back into his community every year.
0:06:09 > 0:06:13- That's a substantial sum - to keep people in rural Wales.
0:06:13 > 0:06:17- After today, how much faith - do you have in David Cameron?
0:06:18 > 0:06:21- As a union, we aren't aligned - with any political party.
0:06:22 > 0:06:25- But I'm very pleased to be able - to work with David Cameron on this.
0:06:26 > 0:06:32- We're on the same side and working - towards the same important goal.
0:06:32 > 0:06:37- So much bureaucracy - adds costs to the farming industry.
0:06:37 > 0:06:40- If we came out of Europe, - would there be less red tape?
0:06:40 > 0:06:42- I don't think - you can guarantee that.
0:06:42 > 0:06:45- What we ought to do is, - in Europe, reduce the red tape.
0:06:46 > 0:06:47- What my negotiations secured...
0:06:48 > 0:06:51- ..is red tape reduction targets - for all the key industry segments.
0:06:52 > 0:06:54- Also, I think - we can learn from each other.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57- In England, we've cut - farm inspections by 20,000.
0:06:57 > 0:07:01- We should apply some of those ideas - in Wales and other parts of the UK.
0:07:01 > 0:07:05- Let's have fewer inspections, take - the bureaucracy off our farmers...
0:07:05 > 0:07:07- ..set them free - to go on producing...
0:07:07 > 0:07:10- ..some of the cleanest and best meat - anywhere in the world.
0:07:10 > 0:07:14- David Cameron, Prime Minister, - thank you very much.
0:07:14 > 0:07:15- Great pleasure.
0:07:17 > 0:07:21- Over the coming weeks, we'll look - at this subject in more detail.
0:07:24 > 0:07:25- Twenty years ago...
0:07:25 > 0:07:30- ..Emyr Evans set up his - farm machinery business on Anglesey.
0:07:30 > 0:07:35- Until then, he sold directly - from his farmyard in Pentrefoelas.
0:07:36 > 0:07:40- As the story starts there, - I went to the farm to hear it.
0:07:44 > 0:07:49- Emyr Evans began selling machinery - at Hafoty Hafod Dre, Pentrefoelas.
0:07:50 > 0:07:53- The company now employs 33 people...
0:07:53 > 0:07:56- ..with Emyr's sons - part of the management team.
0:07:58 > 0:08:01- I started in 1986.
0:08:01 > 0:08:05- I'd sell two or three every year, - just out of interest.
0:08:05 > 0:08:07- Tractors?
0:08:07 > 0:08:11- Yes, painting old Majors - and Massey 35s.
0:08:12 > 0:08:16- In 1996, I was offered...
0:08:17 > 0:08:20- ..the Massey Ferguson agency - for Anglesey.
0:08:21 > 0:08:22- You make it sound easy.
0:08:23 > 0:08:26- Going from selling a bit - on the farmyard...
0:08:27 > 0:08:29- ..to a big site on Anglesey - in a decade.
0:08:29 > 0:08:31- It was a shock to the system.
0:08:31 > 0:08:34- We had to buy a site in Gaerwen.
0:08:35 > 0:08:38- Do you sell them far away?
0:08:38 > 0:08:42- We've sold some second-hand tractors - as far as Australia.
0:08:44 > 0:08:46- Peru, Greece...
0:08:46 > 0:08:49- ..and most countries in Europe.
0:08:49 > 0:08:54- Emyr is one of four brothers - brought up on Hafod Dinbych Farm.
0:08:54 > 0:08:57- That's just across the road - from Hafoty.
0:08:57 > 0:09:00- Three of the brothers - work in the world of machinery.
0:09:01 > 0:09:03- Gwyndaf stayed at home to farm.
0:09:03 > 0:09:06- As Emyr spends a lot of time - on Anglesey...
0:09:06 > 0:09:09- ..Gwyndaf now farms Hafoty too.
0:09:11 > 0:09:13- Are you interested in machines?
0:09:14 > 0:09:15- Not at all.
0:09:15 > 0:09:20- All I do is break them - and ask my brothers to fix them.
0:09:20 > 0:09:24- Emyr still lives in Hafoty, - but you farm there now.
0:09:25 > 0:09:29- Yes, we farm Hafod Dinbych - and Hafoty jointly.
0:09:29 > 0:09:30- What do you keep here?
0:09:30 > 0:09:32- What do you keep here?- - Welsh Mountain sheep.
0:09:32 > 0:09:36- Mostly pure-bred, and we cross - the old ewes with a Texel ram.
0:09:37 > 0:09:40- We have a herd - of mostly Welsh Black cattle.
0:09:40 > 0:09:44- We have a Welsh Black bull - and a Charolais bull.
0:09:44 > 0:09:48- You remember Gwynedd and Berwyn as - little boys fiddling with machines.
0:09:48 > 0:09:51- They were interested - at a very young age...
0:09:52 > 0:09:54- ..and drove tractors as well.
0:09:54 > 0:09:58- They did a lot of work on the farm - with the tractors.
0:09:58 > 0:10:01- That benefits them in business now.
0:10:01 > 0:10:03- Do you know anything - about four wheels?
0:10:04 > 0:10:05- No, not a lot.
0:10:05 > 0:10:06- You stick to four legs.
0:10:06 > 0:10:07- You stick to four legs.- - Yes, four legs.
0:10:07 > 0:10:10- Emyr and his wife Gwenda - have three children...
0:10:11 > 0:10:12- ..Gwynedd, Berwyn and Elliw.
0:10:13 > 0:10:14- The sons work with Emyr...
0:10:14 > 0:10:18- ..Berwyn mainly in Denbigh - and Gwynedd mostly in Gaerwen.
0:10:19 > 0:10:21- I've always been a four-wheel man.
0:10:22 > 0:10:26- Dad was a farmer when we were - younger, farming Hafod Dinbych.
0:10:26 > 0:10:29- Dad's brothers did a lot - with car engines, repairing them.
0:10:30 > 0:10:32- I spent most of my time with them...
0:10:32 > 0:10:36- ..trying to dodge all the animals - and learning.
0:10:36 > 0:10:39- What exactly do you do as a manager?
0:10:39 > 0:10:43- The main job is selling.
0:10:43 > 0:10:47- From day to day, I make sure - that things get sorted.
0:10:47 > 0:10:51- We have staff working for us, - of course.
0:10:51 > 0:10:57- There are plenty of things to do, - but selling is the main job.
0:10:57 > 0:10:59- Who's the boss, Gwynedd?
0:11:00 > 0:11:01- Emyr?
0:11:01 > 0:11:03- Yes, he's in charge.
0:11:04 > 0:11:07- Emyr says how things should be.
0:11:07 > 0:11:09- Yes, but to be completely fair...
0:11:10 > 0:11:15- ..Berwyn and I have had the freedom - to do as we please, in a way.
0:11:16 > 0:11:20- We all speak - every morning and evening.
0:11:22 > 0:11:27- But there's very little discussion - during the day.
0:11:28 > 0:11:30- We do chat - in the morning and evening.
0:11:33 > 0:11:37- When Dad started, - the tractors were fairly simple.
0:11:38 > 0:11:41- You only needed - a bag of spanners to repair them.
0:11:42 > 0:11:46- Today, most of the work starts with - a laptop plugged into the tractor.
0:11:46 > 0:11:50- The tractor - tells you what's wrong with it.
0:11:51 > 0:11:53- That means - you need a lot of training.
0:11:54 > 0:11:57- Very often, - no two problems are alike.
0:11:57 > 0:11:59- That has changed an awful lot.
0:12:00 > 0:12:04- How difficult is it to get - specialist staff in your field?
0:12:05 > 0:12:07- Very difficult.
0:12:08 > 0:12:12- You can send boys on as many - training courses as you like...
0:12:12 > 0:12:17- ..but it's experience that solves - a lot of the problems today.
0:12:17 > 0:12:22- Selling agricultural machinery - is the mainstay of the company.
0:12:22 > 0:12:26- By doing that, they've developed - over the last 20 years.
0:12:26 > 0:12:29- What are the concerns - about the future?
0:12:29 > 0:12:34- I think we're in an uncertain time, - but I'm sure it'll only be a phase.
0:12:34 > 0:12:37- We're not sure - how long it will last.
0:12:37 > 0:12:40- The world is round, - we'll come out the other end again.
0:12:40 > 0:12:43- As a company, - we need to take care...
0:12:43 > 0:12:47- ..and not take any large steps - until everything settles.
0:12:47 > 0:12:50- Where do you hope to be - in the next 20 years?
0:12:51 > 0:12:53- Still in Gaerwen, - still in North Wales.
0:12:54 > 0:12:57- We hope to expand - the range we currently sell...
0:12:57 > 0:13:01- ..and pick up - one or two other manufacturers.
0:13:03 > 0:13:05- Still involved with agriculture.
0:13:05 > 0:13:07- This year will be quite hard.
0:13:07 > 0:13:11- Hopefully, these next years, - we'll be back to the way we were.
0:13:13 > 0:13:15- That's it for now.
0:13:15 > 0:13:18- After the break, - more of these big machines.
0:13:18 > 0:13:19- I'll see you then.
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0:13:32 > 0:13:36- Welcome back to Ffermio - and to the Anglesey Show Pavilion.
0:13:36 > 0:13:39- Emyr Evans' company offers - a machinery service to farmers...
0:13:40 > 0:13:41- ..across the whole of North Wales.
0:13:42 > 0:13:44- As they celebrate 20 years today...
0:13:44 > 0:13:48- ..it's an opportunity for them - to showcase the latest technology.
0:14:03 > 0:14:06- We have already met Emyr, - Gwynedd and Berwyn...
0:14:06 > 0:14:10- ..but the woman who keeps them all - in check is Gwenda...
0:14:10 > 0:14:13- ..Emyr's wife and the boys' mother.
0:14:13 > 0:14:16- Gwenda, you've been with Emyr - from the very start.
0:14:16 > 0:14:20- In that time, you must have seen - developments and many changes.
0:14:20 > 0:14:23- Yes, 20 years is a long time.
0:14:24 > 0:14:27- We started with Massey Fergusons - 20 years ago.
0:14:29 > 0:14:31- Did you think 20 years ago...
0:14:31 > 0:14:35- ..that the business would have grown - to what it is today?
0:14:35 > 0:14:36- Not really.
0:14:36 > 0:14:40- I didn't expect - that we would have grown so much.
0:14:40 > 0:14:44- Most of the thanks - should go to Gwynedd and Berwyn.
0:14:45 > 0:14:47- It's quite an emotional day.
0:14:48 > 0:14:50- I'm very proud of them.
0:14:53 > 0:14:56- It's interesting - to see all these big machines.
0:14:56 > 0:14:58- You need a large field - to turn them!
0:14:59 > 0:15:00- Have you seen some new things?
0:15:00 > 0:15:01- Have you seen some new things?- - A lot of new things.
0:15:02 > 0:15:05- Farming is becoming - a one-man-band industry.
0:15:05 > 0:15:06- That's what you think.
0:15:07 > 0:15:09- The big machines do all the work.
0:15:10 > 0:15:11- Is that a good thing?
0:15:11 > 0:15:12- Is that a good thing?- - That's how it is.
0:15:13 > 0:15:15- Are you spending money here today?
0:15:15 > 0:15:16- Are you spending money here today?- - I'm trying not to.
0:15:16 > 0:15:18- It's difficult not to.
0:15:18 > 0:15:19- What have you bought?
0:15:19 > 0:15:20- What have you bought?- - A spreader.
0:15:20 > 0:15:20- This one here?
0:15:20 > 0:15:22- This one here?- - Yes, a green one.
0:15:22 > 0:15:23- He's spent a lot!
0:15:23 > 0:15:25- He's spent a lot!- - Yes, I've just had a row with him.
0:15:26 > 0:15:28- You have to spend to get quality.
0:15:28 > 0:15:33- In the old days, he'd have a trailer - and a pitchfork to do the spreading.
0:15:33 > 0:15:34- Would you help him?
0:15:34 > 0:15:36- Would you help him?- - Yes, of course.
0:15:38 > 0:15:40- You're smiling going home.
0:15:40 > 0:15:43- You're smiling going home.- - He'll get a row when we get home.
0:15:44 > 0:15:45- No point arguing here.
0:15:49 > 0:15:51- What feedback are you getting?
0:15:51 > 0:15:54- Really good.
0:15:54 > 0:15:58- It's been a steady trade - since we opened up.
0:15:58 > 0:16:02- A lot of people showing interest. - Very positive.
0:16:03 > 0:16:06- If things continue like this - for the next 20 years...
0:16:07 > 0:16:08- ..you'll still be smiling.
0:16:08 > 0:16:09- ..you'll still be smiling.- - I hope so.
0:16:16 > 0:16:18- While I'm here - among all the machinery...
0:16:19 > 0:16:23- ..Alun is visiting an organic farm - in Talybont, Aberystwyth.
0:16:24 > 0:16:30- Since 2008, the organic sector - has faced an uncertain future...
0:16:30 > 0:16:34- ..as the recession affected sales.
0:16:34 > 0:16:39- In the last year, there's been - an improvement in the market.
0:16:39 > 0:16:41- There's been an increase of 5%.
0:16:42 > 0:16:44- What's responsible - for that development?
0:16:46 > 0:16:51- Simon and Rhodri Lloyd-Williams have - been farming organically since 1999.
0:16:51 > 0:16:53- They are from Foelgolomen, - Talybont.
0:16:54 > 0:16:56- They farm 300 hectares of land...
0:16:57 > 0:17:01- ..and keep over 800 Welsh mountain - sheep and 25 Welsh Black Cattle.
0:17:05 > 0:17:08- Give us an idea of the kind of land - on your farm. It's quite high.
0:17:09 > 0:17:11- Yes, down at the bottom - by the house...
0:17:11 > 0:17:14- ..we're around 600 feet - above sea level.
0:17:14 > 0:17:18- The top of the farm - is about 1,500 feet.
0:17:18 > 0:17:22- It's rough terrain. - You can see that sat up here.
0:17:23 > 0:17:27- All of these stones you see, either - Dad or I picked up from the fields.
0:17:27 > 0:17:29- The soil is thin.
0:17:29 > 0:17:31- When you plough a furrow...
0:17:31 > 0:17:34- ..picking the rocks up afterwards - is hard work.
0:17:34 > 0:17:38- In the organic system, it's - important to plant seeds frequently.
0:17:38 > 0:17:43- The cattle become more important - in terms of fertilizer production.
0:17:44 > 0:17:45- Oh, absolutely.
0:17:47 > 0:17:51- Dad usually keeps the cattle out - through the winter.
0:17:51 > 0:17:56- Since going organic, - we've built the sheds you've seen.
0:17:56 > 0:17:59- It's important - to have muck to spread.
0:17:59 > 0:18:03- We'll have it out on the fields - after lambing.
0:18:03 > 0:18:07- The sheep come out - and then we spread the fertilizer.
0:18:07 > 0:18:10- We try to grow grass - before the summer.
0:18:10 > 0:18:13- We also try to wait for a dry day - to cut it too.
0:18:13 > 0:18:19- I understand you've started - marketing Moelgolomen's produce.
0:18:19 > 0:18:23- Yes, it started slowly.
0:18:23 > 0:18:27- We'd always - slaughtered our own lamb at home.
0:18:27 > 0:18:30- We sold a little - to family and friends.
0:18:30 > 0:18:35- After a while, people came to me - asking if the lambs were available.
0:18:35 > 0:18:39- We're in the middle - of setting it all up now.
0:18:39 > 0:18:42- We have a website - - welshmountainlamb.com
0:18:42 > 0:18:47- People can buy online and we can - deliver across Britain now.
0:18:53 > 0:18:56- Simon, tell us to start off with...
0:18:56 > 0:19:01- ..1999 came and you decided - to convert your farm to organic.
0:19:01 > 0:19:03- What was the driver towards that?
0:19:04 > 0:19:07- Well, we've been that way inclined, - if you like, for years.
0:19:07 > 0:19:09- We joined the first DSA schemes.
0:19:10 > 0:19:12- And through them - into Tir Gofal...
0:19:12 > 0:19:15- ..and organic - seemed to be a natural progression.
0:19:16 > 0:19:17- As I understand...
0:19:18 > 0:19:21- ..statistically, organics - are on the up at the moment.
0:19:21 > 0:19:23- That must be good news.
0:19:23 > 0:19:24- That must be good news.- - It is good news.
0:19:24 > 0:19:28- I just wish that our lambs could - be sold into the British market.
0:19:28 > 0:19:32- British supermarkets demand a - 15 kilo lamb, as every farmer knows.
0:19:32 > 0:19:35- As hill lambs, - our lambs tend to be a bit smaller.
0:19:35 > 0:19:38- Generally, they're sold - non-organically and abroad.
0:19:38 > 0:19:42- We sell our ewes organically and - our cattle organically as stores...
0:19:42 > 0:19:45- ..but we can't sell - our fat lambs organically.
0:19:49 > 0:19:51- Throughout the United Kingdom...
0:19:51 > 0:19:55- ..almost 2 billion - is spent on organic produce.
0:19:55 > 0:20:01- That is only as much as 1.4% - of the food and drink market.
0:20:02 > 0:20:05- What does the future hold - for this sector?
0:20:09 > 0:20:13- Dafydd Owen - works for Organic Centre Wales.
0:20:13 > 0:20:16- He's very happy - to see the revival in the market.
0:20:16 > 0:20:19- Since 2008, the organic market - has dropped severely.
0:20:19 > 0:20:21- It's coming back now.
0:20:21 > 0:20:25- Over the last two years, - it's been stable and growing slowly.
0:20:25 > 0:20:29- Look at the ethical food market, - which includes foods...
0:20:29 > 0:20:33- ..that are part of schemes - like Fair Trade, or local food.
0:20:33 > 0:20:37- That market has grown consistently - over the last decade.
0:20:37 > 0:20:39- What we're seeing now...
0:20:39 > 0:20:43- ..is that organic - regaining its place in the market.
0:20:43 > 0:20:48- How are the different sectors doing - now in terms of the organic market?
0:20:48 > 0:20:51- The sector that stands out - is the dairy sector.
0:20:51 > 0:20:55- The link between the customer - and producer...
0:20:55 > 0:20:57- ..has helped maintain the price.
0:20:57 > 0:21:01- Prices have been fairly stable - in the red meat sector.
0:21:01 > 0:21:05- During the horse meat scandal, - it was at its highest.
0:21:06 > 0:21:10- The sector that needs most work - is the lamb sector.
0:21:10 > 0:21:14- There was a premium but I think - there's potential for more.
0:21:14 > 0:21:18- You say there isn't enough - of a connection...
0:21:18 > 0:21:20- ..between producers and consumers.
0:21:20 > 0:21:25- If you can connect with the customer - they'll come back to your produce.
0:21:25 > 0:21:27- Look at French wine.
0:21:27 > 0:21:29- Wine producers say...
0:21:29 > 0:21:33- ..they're from a particular estate - in a particular area.
0:21:33 > 0:21:36- They name it - for where it is produced.
0:21:36 > 0:21:39- Why aren't we doing - the same thing with our lamb?
0:21:39 > 0:21:43- Talybont lamb - tastes different to Llanddewi lamb.
0:21:44 > 0:21:46- Certainly, and Rhydymain too!
0:21:47 > 0:21:49- In 2015, 500 Welsh farms...
0:21:49 > 0:21:51- ..chose to continue - to farm organically...
0:21:52 > 0:21:55- ..by signing up - to the Glastir Organic scheme.
0:21:55 > 0:21:58- Sixty farms - joined for the first time.
0:21:59 > 0:22:04- Let's look at the sector's - immediate future.
0:22:04 > 0:22:08- It's on the up. Is this the way - you see things going?
0:22:08 > 0:22:11- We have to look at our market.
0:22:11 > 0:22:14- The more money we make - out of the market the better.
0:22:14 > 0:22:17- No-one wants to be dependent - on subsidies.
0:22:18 > 0:22:21- I'd like to be able - to stick two fingers up to it all.
0:22:21 > 0:22:22- It's not like that.
0:22:22 > 0:22:25- I want to see - the economy strengthening.
0:22:26 > 0:22:30- We do care - for the environment and our animals.
0:22:30 > 0:22:33- We farm in a way - that cooperates with nature.
0:22:33 > 0:22:35- The value of that will come through.
0:22:37 > 0:22:40- I ask everyone - about the future, Rhodri.
0:22:40 > 0:22:45- Your father, Simon, has given - you carte blanche on the farm.
0:22:45 > 0:22:47- Do you have big plans?
0:22:48 > 0:22:51- There are plenty of ideas - flying around.
0:22:51 > 0:22:53- Nothing major. Just a few tweaks.
0:22:53 > 0:22:56- Dad has recorded performance...
0:22:56 > 0:23:00- ..but I do faecal egg count checks - before I do any dosing.
0:23:00 > 0:23:04- We've also done a hydro scheme - just before the FITs go down.
0:23:05 > 0:23:08- That might bring in - more of a profit.
0:23:09 > 0:23:12- There's no need - to come in and change everything.
0:23:13 > 0:23:14- It works.
0:23:14 > 0:23:16- It works.- - Yes, exactly. Why change it?
0:23:22 > 0:23:25- That's it from the middle - of the machinery in Anglesey.
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