Episode 18

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0:00:01 > 0:00:04the BBC's Inside Out teams.

0:00:04 > 0:00:08Hello and welcome to Inside Out with me, Dianne Oxberry.

0:00:08 > 0:00:11This week, it's no longer just just one for the road.

0:00:11 > 0:00:13We investigate a growing number of people driving under

0:00:13 > 0:00:17the influence of drugs.

0:00:17 > 0:00:19They're going to lose their job and lose their licence

0:00:19 > 0:00:23and they don't think about this before they go out on the road.

0:00:23 > 0:00:25We report on the Cumbrian farmers feeling left out

0:00:25 > 0:00:27in the cold by their landlords, The National Trust.

0:00:27 > 0:00:29What would Beatrix Potter make of it all?

0:00:29 > 0:00:32She would be utterly horrified at how much has gone into tourism

0:00:32 > 0:00:34and everything else.

0:00:34 > 0:00:37I don't think the higher management have any interest in agriculture.

0:00:37 > 0:00:40And we meet the Singh twins who are bringing their art to live

0:00:40 > 0:00:44with augmented reality, just like the recent Pokemon craze.

0:00:44 > 0:00:49Wow, it literally comes to life!

0:00:57 > 0:01:00New figures show that there are a growing number of people

0:01:00 > 0:01:03on our roads driving under the influence of drugs.

0:01:03 > 0:01:05Jacey Normand has been out with the Cheshire police

0:01:05 > 0:01:11as they try to combat the offenders.

0:01:13 > 0:01:16These videos show people driving recklessly as they try

0:01:16 > 0:01:21to evade the police.

0:01:23 > 0:01:26The drivers' actions show a complete disregard for other road users

0:01:26 > 0:01:31whilst speeding excessively on our roads.

0:01:35 > 0:01:38They all felt they had a reason to try to avoid capture.

0:01:43 > 0:01:47They were all found to be driving under the influence of drugs.

0:01:53 > 0:01:55The latest video from the road safety campaign THINK

0:01:55 > 0:01:58is targeted at young men.

0:02:01 > 0:02:04Those most likely to use drugs and get behind the wheel of a car.

0:02:07 > 0:02:10In order to effectively police this, the government changed the drug

0:02:10 > 0:02:13driving law in March 2015 which gave Cheshire Police and Inspector Steve

0:02:13 > 0:02:20Griffiths additional powers to combat offenders.

0:02:20 > 0:02:22In the past we couldn't test on the roadside and since then

0:02:22 > 0:02:25they've introduced drug wipes.

0:02:25 > 0:02:27So we can now test on the roadside.

0:02:27 > 0:02:30We were finding there was an issue with people using drugs before

0:02:30 > 0:02:34driving and this has given us a good way of testing and taking them off

0:02:34 > 0:02:36the road if need be.

0:02:36 > 0:02:39But certainly what it's found is there are people out there who do

0:02:39 > 0:02:42take those risks daily and the amount of arrests we've had

0:02:42 > 0:02:45demonstrates that we're onto it.

0:02:45 > 0:02:48We're going to talk a little bit now about Section 5a.

0:02:48 > 0:02:54It was introduced in March 2015 and includes...

0:02:54 > 0:02:56At this training centre, these Cheshire police officers

0:02:56 > 0:02:59are learning how to use the new equipment.

0:02:59 > 0:03:03And it will give us an indication if it tests positive for either

0:03:03 > 0:03:07cocaine or cannabis.

0:03:07 > 0:03:09They're also being walked through the FIT test,

0:03:09 > 0:03:12an American-style sobriety test, which is useful in finding out

0:03:12 > 0:03:17if a driver's ability is impaired through drugs.

0:03:17 > 0:03:20Officers have a power to do a breath test for alcohol.

0:03:20 > 0:03:25A roadside test for drugs and also one of these FITs.

0:03:25 > 0:03:28The only issue we have is that they only detect cannabis

0:03:28 > 0:03:33or cocaine at the scene.

0:03:33 > 0:03:35If an officer suspects there is impairment caused

0:03:35 > 0:03:38by any other type of drug, the driver can be taken back

0:03:38 > 0:03:42to the station for a blood test.

0:03:42 > 0:03:45There are a considerable amount of drugs as regards to illegal drugs

0:03:45 > 0:03:48and prescription drugs which can be misused and have an

0:03:48 > 0:03:53effect on drivers.

0:03:53 > 0:03:58The drug driving law sets strict limits for 17 different drugs.

0:03:58 > 0:04:01Police can now test for illegal drugs like cannabis,

0:04:01 > 0:04:03cocaine and ecstasy, but also prescription drugs

0:04:03 > 0:04:05like Temazepam or Diazepam, used for anxiety and sleeping

0:04:05 > 0:04:15problems and also, morphine-based pain killers.

0:04:15 > 0:04:18And these new powers have produced results.

0:04:18 > 0:04:20In 2016, Cheshire Police arrested 966 people for failing

0:04:20 > 0:04:25a roadside drugs test, and so far over 500

0:04:25 > 0:04:31of those have been charged with drug driving offences.

0:04:32 > 0:04:37One of the officers on the front line is Chris Buckley.

0:04:37 > 0:04:40He's been patrolling the streets of Cheshire for 12 years.

0:04:44 > 0:04:46Chris took me out on an evening shift and he told me

0:04:46 > 0:04:47what he looks for.

0:04:48 > 0:04:50You kind of get used to not sort of stereotyping,

0:04:50 > 0:04:54but what sort of cars or vehicles get used by people who may use

0:04:54 > 0:04:58cannabis or cocaine.

0:04:58 > 0:05:01It is a bit of the bobby's nose and it does literally become

0:05:01 > 0:05:04the bobby's nose as sometimes you're following a vehcle and,

0:05:04 > 0:05:07believe it or not, you can actually smell it coming through the air

0:05:07 > 0:05:09vents from the car.

0:05:09 > 0:05:12You do have your own little ways, all the places where you might go

0:05:12 > 0:05:17where you think there's a good chance you might get somebody.

0:05:17 > 0:05:19What was the speed limit down that road you just came down?

0:05:27 > 0:05:29Do you know you have got a light out at the front?

0:05:29 > 0:05:31A few broken tail-lights and some questionable driving means Chris

0:05:31 > 0:05:35has stopped quite a few cars this evening.

0:05:35 > 0:05:37The majority of people wouldn't dream of drink driving.

0:05:37 > 0:05:41They use the two-pint rule.

0:05:41 > 0:05:44In fairness, you can can never go by the two-pint rule because you've

0:05:44 > 0:05:47got a legal limit of 35 for drink driving and that could be

0:05:47 > 0:05:50two pints for you, it could be three pints for me.

0:05:50 > 0:05:53We just don't know.

0:05:53 > 0:05:55With the law being so new, I wondered how anyone

0:05:55 > 0:06:00using recreational drugs could know the limits for driving.

0:06:00 > 0:06:08It can't be measured in the same way that people do with alcohol.

0:06:08 > 0:06:11I can't imagine someone would sit there on a Friday night

0:06:11 > 0:06:13with their mates and think, "You know what, if I have

0:06:13 > 0:06:15two spliffs tonight, I'm gonna be fine tomorrow,

0:06:15 > 0:06:19but I won't drive tonight" and that's the trouble.

0:06:19 > 0:06:22A lot of the times they'll say, "Well, I've not had any today.

0:06:22 > 0:06:25I had some yesterday or the day before.

0:06:25 > 0:06:31I wouldn't dream of drink or drug driving" but unfortunately you are.

0:06:31 > 0:06:35And then, on a routine check, his copper's nose pays off.

0:06:35 > 0:06:37Is it your vehicle?

0:06:38 > 0:06:40Are you insured on it?

0:06:40 > 0:06:41Really?

0:06:41 > 0:06:42You are not, are you?

0:06:42 > 0:06:45Have you got cannabis in there by any chance?

0:06:45 > 0:06:49When did you last have some?

0:06:49 > 0:06:53I can smell it.

0:06:53 > 0:06:56Have you got a driving licence?

0:06:56 > 0:06:57That would explain your driving, then.

0:06:57 > 0:07:00Pass me the key.

0:07:00 > 0:07:10No insurance and a provisional licence.

0:07:14 > 0:07:18Right, this takes eight minutes but we have paperwork.

0:07:18 > 0:07:24You know cannabis can stay in your system for some time, don't you?

0:07:24 > 0:07:28Right, that has indicated you've got cannabis in your system so I need

0:07:28 > 0:07:31to tell you you're under arrest for driving with the drug level over

0:07:31 > 0:07:34the prescribed limit.

0:07:47 > 0:07:49All right?

0:07:49 > 0:07:50It's a good result for us.

0:07:50 > 0:07:54We've got a drug driver and an unlicenced driver off the road.

0:07:54 > 0:07:57But for him, his car's been towed away, or his girlfriend's car

0:07:57 > 0:07:59has been towed away, so he's gonna get

0:07:59 > 0:08:02an earful for that.

0:08:02 > 0:08:05He's going to get a disqualification.

0:08:05 > 0:08:07And what's this chap here for?

0:08:07 > 0:08:10Been stopped dring a motor vehicle...

0:08:13 > 0:08:17He smelt of cannabis and failed a drugs test.

0:08:17 > 0:08:19At the station the driver is processed and blood is taken

0:08:19 > 0:08:23by a nurse to find out what drugs he has in his system.

0:08:23 > 0:08:31The results take about a month to come back.

0:08:42 > 0:08:43He's got a lot to worry about.

0:08:43 > 0:08:45Financially it's going to hit hard.

0:08:45 > 0:08:50He's potentially just ruined his life through stupidity.

0:08:51 > 0:08:53Throughout December in Cheshire, 156 people were arrested for drink

0:08:53 > 0:08:59driving with the drug driver arrest figure at a total of 111.

0:08:59 > 0:09:01Both Merseyside and Greater Manchester Police also reported

0:09:01 > 0:09:03an increase in drug driving arrests in December, compared

0:09:03 > 0:09:08to the previous year.

0:09:08 > 0:09:11It's perhaps surprising that in the space of two years under

0:09:11 > 0:09:16new laws that the figures for both are creeping ever closer together.

0:09:16 > 0:09:18I've been to numerous collisions where alcohol

0:09:18 > 0:09:21and drugs are a major factor.

0:09:21 > 0:09:24Also, being a family liaison officer, you get to deal

0:09:24 > 0:09:27with the families and having to be the one who goes and knocks

0:09:27 > 0:09:28on the door and tells that family.

0:09:28 > 0:09:32It has a devastating effect on, not only the victim and the victim's

0:09:32 > 0:09:33family, but even the offender.

0:09:33 > 0:09:35They can potentially go to prison.

0:09:35 > 0:09:38They can lose their job.

0:09:38 > 0:09:41They can lose their licence and they just don't think about this

0:09:41 > 0:09:44before they go out on the road and it's selfish.

0:09:53 > 0:09:56Farming has sustained the Lake District for centuries,

0:09:56 > 0:09:59but now one of the country's largest charities and landowners stands

0:09:59 > 0:10:01accused of being out of touch with the challenges of working

0:10:01 > 0:10:04the Cumbrian fells.

0:10:04 > 0:10:06Chris Jackson has been investigating the mounting tension

0:10:06 > 0:10:07between the National Trust and the hillfarmers

0:10:07 > 0:10:14of the Lake District.

0:10:16 > 0:10:20The peace and tranquillity of the Lakes has been

0:10:22 > 0:10:24The Lake District, loved and revered by millions.

0:10:24 > 0:10:29But the inspiring landscape conceals mounting fury.

0:10:29 > 0:10:34They are not believing in the people that have been here for generations.

0:10:34 > 0:10:41I don't think, the higher management have any interest in agriculture.

0:10:41 > 0:10:44The charity, The National Trust, owns around a fifth of this dramatic

0:10:44 > 0:10:49landscape and 54 upland farms.

0:10:49 > 0:10:52It has always been a challenge to make a living for the generations

0:10:52 > 0:10:55of families who farm at these fells, but now those who work the land

0:10:55 > 0:10:58say their landlord is out of touch and is making

0:10:58 > 0:11:02their lives even harder.

0:11:02 > 0:11:04WHISTLING.

0:11:06 > 0:11:07I love this.

0:11:07 > 0:11:10This is us.

0:11:10 > 0:11:12The landscape is our identity and we have committed ourselves

0:11:12 > 0:11:16as a family for three generations to this landscape.

0:11:16 > 0:11:20But Isaac's future is uncertain.

0:11:20 > 0:11:23His landlord, The National Trust, has given him a 15 year farm tenancy

0:11:23 > 0:11:27which runs out in four years.

0:11:27 > 0:11:30Do you feel that you need to speak out on this?

0:11:30 > 0:11:31They have left me no choice.

0:11:31 > 0:11:36In order for me to carry out what we have done for generations,

0:11:36 > 0:11:38they need to give me a platform to do it.

0:11:38 > 0:11:42A secure platform and they are not doing that.

0:11:42 > 0:11:45Isaac's concerns for his future are just one of the things

0:11:45 > 0:11:50I want to talk to the Trust about.

0:11:50 > 0:11:53This is a particular landscape isn't it and to make any kind

0:11:53 > 0:11:56of commitment to it, it is a hard living and not very

0:11:56 > 0:11:58profitable, frankly, so surely they deserve a bit more

0:11:58 > 0:12:00commitment from you to them?

0:12:00 > 0:12:04I always see tenancy as a marriage between two people.

0:12:04 > 0:12:06An organisation represented by a person and the tenant coming

0:12:06 > 0:12:09in and they need to make sure that the marriage works and you have

0:12:09 > 0:12:12break clauses during that period to make sure that it is working

0:12:12 > 0:12:16for them and working for the landlord.

0:12:16 > 0:12:21It is not unreasonable and at times, we separate.

0:12:21 > 0:12:24The ones where it is working really well where they are delivering

0:12:24 > 0:12:26on the tenancy they have signed, it is working financially

0:12:26 > 0:12:36and viable, of course we want them to stay.

0:12:36 > 0:12:39The negative headlines for The National Trust began here at

0:12:39 > 0:12:42Thorney Thwaite Farm near Keswick.

0:12:42 > 0:12:45Last summer the farmhouse and land came up for auction and the Trust

0:12:45 > 0:12:52put in a bid of nearly ?1 million, just for the land.

0:12:52 > 0:12:54And that was 200 grand over the asking price.

0:12:54 > 0:12:56And the price was actually going down at the time.

0:12:56 > 0:12:57It was.

0:12:57 > 0:13:00The auctioneer was bringing the price down and The National

0:13:00 > 0:13:03Trust person made an absurd bid of 950000 and I couldn't

0:13:03 > 0:13:10work on that.

0:13:10 > 0:13:13Peter lives next door to Thorney Thwaite Farm and thought

0:13:13 > 0:13:16he was in with a chance of buying both the farmhouse and the land.

0:13:16 > 0:13:21He is also a National Trust tenant and was left fuming.

0:13:21 > 0:13:25Six generations of Edmondsons have been here and we were going

0:13:25 > 0:13:28to continue to conserve the land at Thorney Thwaite as a farm.

0:13:28 > 0:13:30One of the family members.

0:13:30 > 0:13:32It was basically split.

0:13:32 > 0:13:33It was ruined.

0:13:33 > 0:13:34It is ruined now.

0:13:34 > 0:13:39It will never be a farm again.

0:13:39 > 0:13:43Do you still stand by the decision to buy the land but not farm?

0:13:43 > 0:13:45We stand by the decision we made to buy the land.

0:13:45 > 0:13:48We bought that land because we felt it was of international significance

0:13:48 > 0:13:50along with the other land in the area.

0:13:50 > 0:13:56A rich mosaic of farmland, woodland and the fell.

0:13:56 > 0:13:59Thorney Thwaite, bit of a PR disaster and you must regret it.

0:13:59 > 0:14:01We regret we did not manage to communicate as best

0:14:01 > 0:14:04we could and we were taken by surprise by the negative feelings

0:14:04 > 0:14:06towards the purchase, because we imagined that people

0:14:06 > 0:14:09would think it was a good thing that we were buying the land

0:14:09 > 0:14:17on behalf of the nation and securing it.

0:14:17 > 0:14:19At least these guys are happy, Peter.

0:14:19 > 0:14:21You go that way and I'll go this way.

0:14:21 > 0:14:23Since the sale, Peter has locked horns with the trust,

0:14:23 > 0:14:26relations are at an all-time low as he discovered the

0:14:26 > 0:14:30director-general of the trust came to the valley before Christmas.

0:14:30 > 0:14:32Dame Helen Gosch visited Thorney Thwaite Farm,

0:14:32 > 0:14:36why did she not ask to meet me?

0:14:36 > 0:14:39Let's smooth things over, she had not got the guts

0:14:39 > 0:14:42to come and speak to me.

0:14:42 > 0:14:45We chose not to go and see Mr Edmonson, because we felt

0:14:45 > 0:14:48that the relationship was not in such a great place.

0:14:48 > 0:14:50That was the time to make it all up, wasn't it?

0:14:50 > 0:14:53The boss is in town, time to make up?

0:14:53 > 0:14:57I guess we could have done that but we chose not to.

0:14:57 > 0:15:01Feels like talking to the tenants that the trust has sort

0:15:01 > 0:15:07of lost its way over the last few years.

0:15:07 > 0:15:09There is a new Chief Executive, new strategies and it

0:15:09 > 0:15:18all feels very remote, quite scary for people.

0:15:18 > 0:15:20Viv represents many of The National Trust tenants

0:15:20 > 0:15:25and says her members believe that farming is no longer a priority.

0:15:25 > 0:15:31They have come up with new strategies and the conservations

0:15:31 > 0:15:35of biodiversity seemed to be what they are concentrating on.

0:15:35 > 0:15:37They will talk about farming but it is usually lower down

0:15:37 > 0:15:41the list and as we know, as we look around here,

0:15:41 > 0:15:43it is the farming systems that deliver this landscape

0:15:43 > 0:15:45and are maintaining what we have got.

0:15:45 > 0:15:47It is about working hand in hand, environment and farming,

0:15:47 > 0:15:51not environment or farming.

0:15:51 > 0:15:53We're not after a significant change here, we are after

0:15:53 > 0:15:54an adaptation place

0:15:54 > 0:15:57by place and the joy of the Lake District is every

0:15:57 > 0:16:01valley is different.

0:16:01 > 0:16:06You walk into one, it has a different feel to another.

0:16:06 > 0:16:08The plans that you talked about earlier, we really do

0:16:08 > 0:16:11want to develop more than ten year plans, long-term plans shared

0:16:11 > 0:16:14with our tenants and the community which set out what is special

0:16:14 > 0:16:17about the valley and how we want to be able to manage it

0:16:17 > 0:16:20into the future and at the moment we do not have that shared vision

0:16:20 > 0:16:28and plans that would maybe overcome some of these problems.

0:16:28 > 0:16:31This farm was one of the properties given to The National Trust

0:16:31 > 0:16:33by its most famous benefactor, Beatrix Potter, author

0:16:33 > 0:16:38and hill farmer.

0:16:38 > 0:16:41I think she would be absolutely horrified at how much they have gone

0:16:41 > 0:16:44into tourism and everything else.

0:16:44 > 0:16:47Eric has devoted over 30 years to farming and he says the trust now

0:16:47 > 0:16:50has other priorities.

0:16:50 > 0:16:56I don't think the higher management have any interest in agriculture.

0:16:56 > 0:17:00What is the one thing you would like the trust to do?

0:17:00 > 0:17:03I would like them to come out onto these farms and show an active

0:17:03 > 0:17:05interest in what our problems are and what we need

0:17:05 > 0:17:11to keep these farms viable.

0:17:11 > 0:17:14It is great coming on a nice sunny day but you know

0:17:14 > 0:17:17what it is like today, the wind is trying to blow us over.

0:17:17 > 0:17:20That is the reality of it.

0:17:20 > 0:17:24Are you more interested in tourism in the lakes than farming?

0:17:24 > 0:17:26No, we're not more interested in tourism, tourism has

0:17:26 > 0:17:29a fundamental role to play here and a lot of the economy

0:17:29 > 0:17:32in the Lake District in particular comes from tourism.

0:17:32 > 0:17:34A lot of our farms have diversified over the years,

0:17:34 > 0:17:38based on the back of the tourism industry and the trust as a whole,

0:17:38 > 0:17:41we have a key role to play.

0:17:41 > 0:17:46It is not either or, it is both.

0:17:46 > 0:17:49Glad to speak to you of course, we would also have liked to speak

0:17:49 > 0:17:53to the director-general who chose not to speak to us.

0:17:53 > 0:17:56Can you give us a guarantee that we can get an interview

0:17:56 > 0:17:57with her and get farmers along?

0:17:57 > 0:18:03That is a question for Helen, not me.

0:18:03 > 0:18:05The day after we met Mike, his boss, director-general

0:18:05 > 0:18:07of The National Trust, Dame Helen Gosch came to Cumbria

0:18:07 > 0:18:09and told a conference of farmers and conservationists that

0:18:09 > 0:18:12suggestions that the trust was losing its commitment to upland

0:18:12 > 0:18:18farming could not be further from the truth.

0:18:18 > 0:18:20The past few months have been a bruising experience for both

0:18:20 > 0:18:22The National Trust and some of its hill farmers.

0:18:22 > 0:18:26And if this landscape is to be more than just a beautiful backdrop,

0:18:26 > 0:18:28then some sort of lasting peace needs to be brokered

0:18:28 > 0:18:31which will allow it to continue to be a vibrant environment for both

0:18:31 > 0:18:34farmers and visitors.

0:18:47 > 0:18:50Liverpool artists the Singh Twins have never been afraid to tackle

0:18:50 > 0:18:52difficult issues and their Indian heritage with their artwork,

0:18:52 > 0:18:54now they are embracing the latest digital technology

0:18:54 > 0:19:03to bring their art to life, as I've been finding out.

0:19:11 > 0:19:14There is more to the Singh twins than meets the eye.

0:19:14 > 0:19:22And the same can certainly be said for their artwork.

0:19:31 > 0:19:33It reflects who they are - proud Scousers who love

0:19:33 > 0:19:36their home city of Liverpool.

0:19:36 > 0:19:41But who are also in touch with their Indian heritage.

0:20:01 > 0:20:03They are currently working toward a major exhibition

0:20:03 > 0:20:05in Liverpool next year.

0:20:05 > 0:20:09Their work is intricate and painstaking.

0:20:09 > 0:20:11There's a lot of pleasure that comes from creating something

0:20:11 > 0:20:14that is so technically skilled and decorative.

0:20:14 > 0:20:18You feel a sense of achievement so, although your neck and your back

0:20:18 > 0:20:21is aching and you feel you are never going to get through this

0:20:21 > 0:20:22and it's taking forever...

0:20:22 > 0:20:23Yes, it's physically challenging.

0:20:23 > 0:20:25I think the end result makes it worthwhile and that challenging

0:20:25 > 0:20:27yourself to progress and become better and better at

0:20:27 > 0:20:35what you are doing.

0:20:35 > 0:20:37In 1980, aged just 13, they embarked on a journey to India

0:20:37 > 0:20:43that would change the course of their lives.

0:20:43 > 0:20:51My father and his uncle built this homemade motor-home.

0:20:51 > 0:20:53Quite spontaneously, we just jumped in this vehicle one

0:20:53 > 0:20:56day and trundled across to India through Europe and the Middle East,

0:20:56 > 0:20:59right the way through the Iran-Iraq War, I have to say,

0:20:59 > 0:21:02and then spent a month in Pakistan trying to get into India.

0:21:02 > 0:21:04And then eventually got across the border and travelled

0:21:04 > 0:21:07for eight months around India itself.

0:21:07 > 0:21:10It really opened our eyes to the whole diversity of Indian

0:21:10 > 0:21:13culture, not just the arts, but the history as well and I think

0:21:13 > 0:21:16it was a real turning point in our lives and having an influence

0:21:16 > 0:21:21on, having a real pride in our Indian heritage.

0:21:21 > 0:21:25And it was during this first visit to India the twins fell in love

0:21:25 > 0:21:27with Indian Miniature, a traditional Indian art form that

0:21:27 > 0:21:32dates back many centuries.

0:21:32 > 0:21:36We were just bowled over by this style.

0:21:36 > 0:21:38But it was something that was so exquisite in the detail

0:21:38 > 0:21:40and the draughtsmanship and the vibrant colours

0:21:40 > 0:21:41and the use of gold.

0:21:41 > 0:21:51So the works were literally illuminated, almost jewel-like.

0:21:54 > 0:21:57The twins have never been scared to tackle controversial

0:21:57 > 0:21:58subjects in their art.

0:21:58 > 0:22:00With the Iraq War for example it was something,

0:22:00 > 0:22:02a painting that we did, which was called Partners

0:22:02 > 0:22:05in Crime: Deception and Lies, which was about the whole debate

0:22:05 > 0:22:06and the reasons for going to war.

0:22:06 > 0:22:09That was an art work that actually happened a couple of years

0:22:09 > 0:22:10after the event itself.

0:22:10 > 0:22:13We've always learnt as artists that it's sometimes not always the best

0:22:13 > 0:22:16thing to jump in and be current because as these arguments

0:22:16 > 0:22:17and debates develop.

0:22:17 > 0:22:18More facts come out.

0:22:18 > 0:22:21It gives you more food for thought and a balanced view to then

0:22:21 > 0:22:22document in the work itself.

0:22:22 > 0:22:24Similarly with another political painting called 1984,

0:22:24 > 0:22:25which actually depicts the Indian Government's storming

0:22:25 > 0:22:29attack on the Golden Temple in 1984, which is the centre of the Sikh

0:22:29 > 0:22:36faith in Amritsar in India.

0:22:36 > 0:22:38Their latest work of art Indigo will form part

0:22:38 > 0:22:39of their next exhibition, examining the relationship

0:22:39 > 0:22:42between India's ancient blue dye and the history of global trade,

0:22:42 > 0:22:45politics and slavery.

0:22:45 > 0:22:50The focus is a 17th century queen called Mumtaz Mahal.

0:22:50 > 0:22:53So she's dressed in a traditional 17th century dress for the top half,

0:22:53 > 0:22:55but for the bottom half she is wearing a pair

0:22:55 > 0:22:56of modern blue jeans.

0:22:56 > 0:22:59Most people think that blue jeans was invented by Levis, you know,

0:22:59 > 0:23:01part of the American Dream.

0:23:01 > 0:23:03But actually if you dig deep enough you will find

0:23:03 > 0:23:05these indigo dyed jeans, or denim fabric trousers,

0:23:05 > 0:23:12were worn by sailors way back in the 17th century in Indian ports,

0:23:12 > 0:23:15you know, in a place called Dungri in India where the people

0:23:15 > 0:23:17were producing this sturdy cloth and dying it blue.

0:23:17 > 0:23:25Which is where the word dungaree comes from, of course.

0:23:25 > 0:23:27In a ground-breaking venture, the twins have teamed up

0:23:27 > 0:23:30with a creative design technology company from Liverpool to literally

0:23:30 > 0:23:32bring their art work to life with an app.

0:23:32 > 0:23:34Well, Andy, here we have the artwork of Indigo,

0:23:34 > 0:23:37about seven, eight foot high.

0:23:37 > 0:23:40I can get that but what I don't understand is what you guys

0:23:40 > 0:23:42have done with the app to enhance this artwork.

0:23:42 > 0:23:47So you hold the iPad or iPhone up to the artwork and it comes to life.

0:23:47 > 0:23:48Wow!

0:23:48 > 0:23:52It literally comes to life, doesn't it?

0:23:52 > 0:23:56So you can hold it up to any aspect of the artwork and click on.

0:23:56 > 0:23:59You can click on this bit there and it brings out some

0:23:59 > 0:24:02information about that character in the artwork.

0:24:02 > 0:24:04So you've got a text box that explains all

0:24:04 > 0:24:05about the character there.

0:24:05 > 0:24:08All the time it's moving and growing and developing.

0:24:08 > 0:24:09The flowers are blooming, the religious icons

0:24:09 > 0:24:12are doing something.

0:24:12 > 0:24:15You've got serpents swimming in the sea.

0:24:15 > 0:24:18I mean, it really does enhance the work and this is sometimes

0:24:18 > 0:24:20the challenge between technology and art to make them

0:24:20 > 0:24:21work hand in hand.

0:24:21 > 0:24:23But this is fabulous, isn't it?

0:24:23 > 0:24:26We were really interested in how we could do something subtle

0:24:26 > 0:24:29and inspiring and continue the Twins artwork and do something that was

0:24:29 > 0:24:35very in keeping with their work.

0:24:35 > 0:24:37And this is just the prototype.

0:24:37 > 0:24:40The twins are planning to use augmented reality with as much

0:24:40 > 0:24:44of the artwork in the exhibition as they can.

0:24:44 > 0:24:46For us as artists to have our work interpreted this way

0:24:46 > 0:24:47is absolutely brilliant.

0:24:47 > 0:24:50The audiences are going to have a real fun time

0:24:50 > 0:24:51interpreting the artwork.

0:24:51 > 0:24:53It's so much more enjoyable than reading reams of text

0:24:53 > 0:24:56on the wall next to an art work.

0:24:56 > 0:25:01The Singh twins have come a long way since that first trip to India.

0:25:01 > 0:25:04But, as they have always done in the past, they aren't afraid

0:25:04 > 0:25:06to push new boundaries.

0:25:06 > 0:25:08The ideal would be to have all of the works augmented

0:25:08 > 0:25:10in the same way as this piece.

0:25:10 > 0:25:13I think this would be a real showcase for the exhibition.

0:25:13 > 0:25:16But to have all the works with the ability to be experienced

0:25:16 > 0:25:20in the same degree and magical experience would be fantastic.

0:25:20 > 0:25:23The possibilities are endless because once you have done one

0:25:23 > 0:25:25series of work you can apply that same technology to another series

0:25:25 > 0:25:30of work and it can just go on forever really.

0:25:32 > 0:25:34Honestly it is amazing how that artwork comes to life.

0:25:34 > 0:25:36Inside Out is back next Monday.

0:25:36 > 0:25:39Goodbye.