0:00:00 > 0:00:00"where the abuse of women has often been accepted and normalised."
0:00:00 > 0:00:05Now on BBC News, it's Inside Out.
0:00:05 > 0:00:09We track down the online crooks.
0:00:09 > 0:00:13I'm not buying a passport off you mate
0:00:13 > 0:00:17because I work for the BBC, and I want to know why you're...
0:00:17 > 0:00:19selling stolen passports, mate, why are you
0:00:19 > 0:00:21doing it?
0:00:21 > 0:00:23No more nursing bursaries.
0:00:23 > 0:00:30So how will it affect this year's students?
0:00:30 > 0:00:31Hello, what's your name, sir.
0:00:31 > 0:00:32His name is Tom.
0:00:32 > 0:00:38They are learning practical skills of nursing
0:00:38 > 0:00:40in our hospital, that means that they are
0:00:40 > 0:00:45paying the privilege of
0:00:45 > 0:00:46working in our NHS.
0:00:46 > 0:00:48And I promise we'll meet the Muslim scouts of
0:00:48 > 0:00:49Gillingham.
0:00:49 > 0:00:56I promise.
0:00:56 > 0:00:58We formed the Muslim Scout groups because we can cater
0:00:58 > 0:01:00for their religious and cultural needs.
0:01:00 > 0:01:02I'm Natalie Graham with untold stories closer to home.
0:01:02 > 0:01:12This is inside out.
0:01:13 > 0:01:16Hello and welcome to the programme which this week comes to you
0:01:16 > 0:01:18from the Medway towns.
0:01:18 > 0:01:21First tonight what do you look for in the
0:01:21 > 0:01:31classified ads?
0:01:31 > 0:01:34Furniture perhaps or a new car?
0:01:34 > 0:01:36Well Jonathan Gibson has been sniffing around here in Chatham
0:01:36 > 0:01:39as he investigates one online site where the criminals are looking for
0:01:39 > 0:01:40more than a bargain.
0:01:40 > 0:01:43As an investigative journalist, it is sometimes easier to work
0:01:43 > 0:01:44when the office is nice and quiet.
0:01:44 > 0:01:48When people are not watching what you are doing.
0:01:48 > 0:01:55Like investigating the dark web.
0:01:55 > 0:01:58If you are looking for something illegal, it is the go-to part
0:01:58 > 0:02:05of the internet which is hidden from prying eyes.
0:02:05 > 0:02:11The place where criminals use encrypted websites
0:02:11 > 0:02:12and virtual currencies to trade.
0:02:12 > 0:02:13Trade?
0:02:13 > 0:02:15You don't need to bother with all that.
0:02:15 > 0:02:17You are wasting your time with that, mate.
0:02:17 > 0:02:22Sorry?
0:02:22 > 0:02:24You can get all that on Craigslist.
0:02:24 > 0:02:25I'll show you.
0:02:25 > 0:02:26Shouldn't you be getting on...
0:02:26 > 0:02:27I've got ten minutes.
0:02:27 > 0:02:28Brilliant.
0:02:28 > 0:02:34Log on.
0:02:34 > 0:02:36Yeah, Craigslist.
0:02:36 > 0:02:40It was setup in America by a guy called Craig.
0:02:40 > 0:02:42It is a website where people buy and sell everything
0:02:42 > 0:02:43and I mean everything.
0:02:43 > 0:02:49Just say where you live and get started.
0:02:49 > 0:02:52Lots of the stuff on Craigslist will not be in your local newspaper,
0:02:52 > 0:02:57including bootleg tobacco.
0:02:57 > 0:03:06The kind of thing you usually buy from a dodgy geezer outside
0:03:06 > 0:03:08a pub or in this case a supermarket car park.
0:03:08 > 0:03:15I have literally just started.
0:03:15 > 0:03:16They're knocked off then?
0:03:16 > 0:03:17Yes.
0:03:17 > 0:03:20They are packed but they cannot resell them in shops anymore.
0:03:20 > 0:03:21Where did you get them?
0:03:21 > 0:03:22I have no idea.
0:03:22 > 0:03:25OK.
0:03:25 > 0:03:27He is just a middleman, he says his supplier
0:03:27 > 0:03:37is someone else on Craigslist.
0:03:47 > 0:03:50I've seen some crazy stuff on Craiglist!
0:03:50 > 0:03:51So have I.
0:03:51 > 0:03:54That is why I have come to another car park,
0:03:54 > 0:03:55ready for another dodgy deal.
0:03:55 > 0:03:56This is counterfeit?
0:03:56 > 0:03:57Yes.
0:03:57 > 0:04:00That's why his tobacco is a third of the price of the real stuff.
0:04:00 > 0:04:02Do you smoke it yourself?
0:04:02 > 0:04:03Yeah.
0:04:03 > 0:04:04Can you tell the difference?
0:04:04 > 0:04:06No, I can't.
0:04:06 > 0:04:08There is a difference because counterfeit goods are among
0:04:08 > 0:04:11the things Craigslist says you're not supposed to sell on its website.
0:04:11 > 0:04:12It is illegal.
0:04:12 > 0:04:14But no one takes any notice of that.
0:04:14 > 0:04:15Do you mind?
0:04:15 > 0:04:17But he has a point, look at this.
0:04:17 > 0:04:19It is as easy to find marijuana on Craigslist
0:04:19 > 0:04:29as it is a second-hand sofa.
0:04:43 > 0:04:46And you might need a seat as what I am buying next
0:04:46 > 0:04:48could knock you off your feet.
0:04:48 > 0:04:50I am on a Derby estate to meet Stephen, selling
0:04:50 > 0:04:51cocaine on Craigslist.
0:04:51 > 0:04:52How are you?
0:04:52 > 0:04:53Cheers.
0:04:53 > 0:04:56The deal done in seconds but is it the real deal?
0:04:56 > 0:04:58It turns out as street cocaine goes, it is pure stuff.
0:04:59 > 0:05:00What is it doing on Craigslist?
0:05:00 > 0:05:01I am shocked.
0:05:01 > 0:05:02It is not difficult.
0:05:02 > 0:05:04An internet company allows elements on to their website.
0:05:04 > 0:05:09But if you have made money from crime, you would not want the police
0:05:09 > 0:05:12to find it so you need someone to hide it, perhaps
0:05:12 > 0:05:13in their bank account.
0:05:13 > 0:05:15It is called money laundering but where would I find
0:05:15 > 0:05:19someone to do that?
0:05:19 > 0:05:27On a street corner, I am meeting Stacey.
0:05:27 > 0:05:29She is offering her bank account on Craigslist to anyone
0:05:29 > 0:05:39who wants to use it.
0:05:40 > 0:05:44But we are walking into the bank to pay in what I told her
0:05:44 > 0:05:45is money got from crime.
0:05:45 > 0:05:49She would charge me a fee to get it back and there are plenty of people
0:05:49 > 0:05:51on Craigslist who will do the same thing.
0:05:51 > 0:05:53Sometimes through overseas bank accounts.
0:05:53 > 0:05:58If you send your money overseas, how'd you get it back?
0:05:58 > 0:06:01What you need is a new identity or better still somebody's else's.
0:06:01 > 0:06:02You again.
0:06:02 > 0:06:05I know where you can get it.
0:06:05 > 0:06:06Don't say it.
0:06:06 > 0:06:08HE MOUTHS.
0:06:08 > 0:06:14Craigslist.
0:06:14 > 0:06:18The place where I can find a stolen passport at Chatham in Kent.
0:06:18 > 0:06:26And there are plenty more where that came from.
0:06:26 > 0:06:29I've known some stories where it has taken people ten
0:06:29 > 0:06:32years to get their credit
0:06:32 > 0:06:39rating back again after it has been trashed by people
0:06:39 > 0:06:42who stole their identity but it will allow you to get
0:06:42 > 0:06:52on and commit other crimes.
0:06:55 > 0:06:59It is not just about selling stuff, there are adverts for a postman
0:06:59 > 0:07:01to steal the letters they are supposed to be delivering.
0:07:01 > 0:07:03And on Craigslist there's also disorganised crime.
0:07:03 > 0:07:05This man wants somebody to pass his driving theory test for him.
0:07:05 > 0:07:07What is the deal?
0:07:07 > 0:07:08I go in and take the test?
0:07:08 > 0:07:11For 50 quid, it is not that black and white.
0:07:11 > 0:07:14For a start he is black and I am white, surely someone will notice.
0:07:14 > 0:07:19They will check your photo against a database.
0:07:19 > 0:07:29There is no point.
0:07:37 > 0:07:39When I later revealed I was a journalist,
0:07:39 > 0:07:41he had nothing to say.
0:07:41 > 0:07:42Neither did Craigslist.
0:07:42 > 0:07:44In fact, when I asked for an interview, this
0:07:44 > 0:07:46is what it told us.
0:07:46 > 0:07:49That came from the top, the chief executive's office.
0:07:49 > 0:07:53They are making money and whilst no one is forcing them to try
0:07:53 > 0:07:56and change what is going on, they are running sites like this
0:07:56 > 0:08:04using the ostrich effect, sticking their heads in the sand.
0:08:04 > 0:08:07No wonder criminals can carry on regardless,
0:08:07 > 0:08:14unless they are reselling to a journalist.
0:08:14 > 0:08:16If you turn around and face the camera.
0:08:16 > 0:08:18I would like to know why you are offering to sell...
0:08:18 > 0:08:20I'm trying to get out of debt.
0:08:20 > 0:08:22My mother is going to kill me.
0:08:22 > 0:08:24He is not the only one thinking about his relatives.
0:08:24 > 0:08:26So why are you doing it?
0:08:26 > 0:08:33I am trying to make money for my family.
0:08:33 > 0:08:35At least they are talking.
0:08:35 > 0:08:38Take a good look at my cocaine dealer because he is
0:08:38 > 0:08:39not around for long.
0:08:39 > 0:08:42I work for the BBC and we are trying to find out why
0:08:42 > 0:08:45you are peddling cocaine.
0:08:45 > 0:08:53Why is that?
0:08:53 > 0:08:58Well, he wasn't hanging about.
0:08:58 > 0:09:02And Stacey, will she want to talk?
0:09:02 > 0:09:05I'm trying to find out why you are willing to launder money
0:09:05 > 0:09:10for people, why you are doing that, Stacey?
0:09:10 > 0:09:20You knew it was risky, would you like to explain?
0:09:22 > 0:09:27I've got nothing to say to you.
0:09:27 > 0:09:29Just like my passport thief here in Kent.
0:09:29 > 0:09:33I'm not buying a passport off you because I work for the BBC.
0:09:33 > 0:09:35I want to know why you are selling stolen passports?
0:09:35 > 0:09:42Why are you selling stolen passports?
0:09:42 > 0:09:44What's the plan?
0:09:44 > 0:09:46Is that your mate who's got it?
0:09:46 > 0:09:47There is organised crime sitting behind everything.
0:09:47 > 0:09:54It is critical that the police or the law enforcement agencies
0:09:54 > 0:09:58force the likes of Craigslist to do something about it.
0:09:58 > 0:10:00So what is the government doing?
0:10:00 > 0:10:10When we asked to interview a minister, the Home Office said...
0:10:11 > 0:10:14We have kind of done that for them already.
0:10:14 > 0:10:22Told you.
0:10:22 > 0:10:24So maybe it's time the government forced websites like Craigslist
0:10:24 > 0:10:31to clean up their act.
0:10:31 > 0:10:38Jonathan Gibson reporting. Coming up on Inside Out. We meet the Muslim
0:10:38 > 0:10:43Scouts of killing.As skirts we are all worldwide family with big hearts
0:10:43 > 0:10:47and it's about including people in the community from all backgrounds
0:10:47 > 0:10:56and faiths and to see so many Muslim Scouts is wonderful.This month new
0:10:56 > 0:10:59student nurses have started their causes but one thing is different
0:10:59 > 0:11:04this year, bursaries have been scrapped. So what difference will it
0:11:04 > 0:11:17make to the students and to the NHS? Airway is clear, he is breathing.
0:11:17 > 0:11:23Shot coming.It is the start of the busy academic year at Canterbury
0:11:23 > 0:11:29Christ Church University.Hello, what's your name Sir.His name is
0:11:29 > 0:11:33Tom.But vizier for the first time many health care students will pay
0:11:33 > 0:11:38for their own training. -- this year. Until August this year many on
0:11:38 > 0:11:45health care courses like nursing could apply for an NHS bursary.That
0:11:45 > 0:11:49was funded by the Department of Health, by the government, so they
0:11:49 > 0:11:53did not take out alone and they didn't have to pay their tuition but
0:11:53 > 0:11:57they were allowed this small bursary to help them with some of their
0:11:57 > 0:12:02living costs.Doctors and nurses unite and fight!
0:12:02 > 0:12:09CHANTING But this year it was scrapped.We've
0:12:09 > 0:12:13come out as a body of junior doctors in support of our nursing colleagues
0:12:13 > 0:12:18because we see this as a time that the NHS health care staff need to
0:12:18 > 0:12:25stand together.If you want to study a health care professional like
0:12:25 > 0:12:28nursing, midwifery or occupational therapy you are treated like any
0:12:28 > 0:12:32other student. You have to go through the same system of fees and
0:12:32 > 0:12:40loans as if you are studying English or history or French. Recently we
0:12:40 > 0:12:44have seen worrying headlines about staff shortages in our health
0:12:44 > 0:12:49service. First time on record we've seen more nurses leaving the
0:12:49 > 0:12:53profession than joining and with the number of nurses starting training
0:12:53 > 0:12:56and down this autumn the Royal College of Nursing says we should
0:12:56 > 0:13:01help and not hinder those who want to train.Student nurses spend at
0:13:01 > 0:13:06least 50% of their time in practice, so as part of the education they are
0:13:06 > 0:13:14learning the practical skills of nursing in our hospitals, in our
0:13:14 > 0:13:17communities, in our care homes, and therefore providing a service. That
0:13:17 > 0:13:22means they are paying for the privilege of working in our NHS and
0:13:22 > 0:13:29other areas.The average age of the student nurse is 29. That means they
0:13:29 > 0:13:33are likely to have gained much more life experience before starting the
0:13:33 > 0:13:44course.That was my dad when he took me on my first holiday to Disneyland
0:13:44 > 0:13:47Paris and he decided it was a good idea to dress as Minnie mouse the
0:13:47 > 0:13:52whole holiday! I've got this one of me and my dad, I think it was
0:13:52 > 0:13:56someone's birthday, I was pinching his beer, that was a good night. And
0:13:56 > 0:14:02this one is the last photo I have of me and my dad.Emily lost her father
0:14:02 > 0:14:09this year after a long illness.We woke up and found my dad on the sofa
0:14:09 > 0:14:12and he'd just been released from hospital on the Friday of this was
0:14:12 > 0:14:25the Monday.While looking after him she discovered a hidden talent.It's
0:14:25 > 0:14:31all because of looking after my dad, and everything that we went through
0:14:31 > 0:14:36with him, I kind of realised I was good at what I did, I was good and
0:14:36 > 0:14:39caring for people. And I could relate to what they were going
0:14:39 > 0:14:43through. And it kind of made me realise I wanted to be a nurse.
0:14:43 > 0:14:49Emily had hoped to start a nursing degree in Kent this autumn but says
0:14:49 > 0:14:53she doesn't want to be saddled with huge debts by the end of the course.
0:14:53 > 0:14:57I found out they were cutting these bursaries and it will be hard for me
0:14:57 > 0:15:02to train to do the job and if I needed two add have to pay for it. I
0:15:02 > 0:15:05quickly realised I didn't have anyone who could help me and I
0:15:05 > 0:15:09couldn't afford to leave work to study and pay for it because they
0:15:09 > 0:15:12live on my own. I don't live with family. I can't live with family.
0:15:12 > 0:15:18And I've got all my bills and everything associated with that to
0:15:18 > 0:15:24pay for.We also need more nurses. Earlier this month at the
0:15:24 > 0:15:28Conservative Party conference Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt stood by the
0:15:28 > 0:15:32government 's decision to scrap training bursaries.We are backing
0:15:32 > 0:15:37the biggest expansion of nurse training in the history of the NHS.
0:15:37 > 0:15:40The thinking behind these plans is to enable universities to create
0:15:40 > 0:15:45extra training places and to provide students with more financial support
0:15:45 > 0:15:50in the form of a loan. We did ask the Department of Health for an
0:15:50 > 0:16:00interview. This is what they said.
0:16:08 > 0:16:11But the Royal College of Nursing says that government hasn't thought
0:16:11 > 0:16:15about students who don't want to take out a loan to cover the cost of
0:16:15 > 0:16:20their degree.We are not attracting those people who don't want to take
0:16:20 > 0:16:25out a student loan. And nursing is a specific thing. It is a profession
0:16:25 > 0:16:29that you need to be committed to. It's not just about having the right
0:16:29 > 0:16:34grade of A-level.The government has introduced alternative routes into
0:16:34 > 0:16:39the profession such as nursing apprenticeships. But the RCN says
0:16:39 > 0:16:46this is just a cost-cutting exercise.While apprenticeships are
0:16:46 > 0:16:48under the model and with nothing against apprenticeships, it's only
0:16:48 > 0:16:51shifting the cost to the employers which is our hospitals and the rest
0:16:51 > 0:16:57of the NHS. In fact there is an argument that the current method of
0:16:57 > 0:17:01training as a nurse is already an apprenticeship model.Canterbury
0:17:01 > 0:17:06Christ Church University is the biggest public service provider in
0:17:06 > 0:17:11the south-east, providing local NHS trusts -- NHS trusts with most of
0:17:11 > 0:17:16their stuff. What do they think of the changes.The amount of money
0:17:16 > 0:17:21available to students from September 20 17th is 25% extra what the
0:17:21 > 0:17:26students on the NHS bursaries scheme is so we see this as a positive way
0:17:26 > 0:17:30to support students in the future. Although application numbers were
0:17:30 > 0:17:35lower this year she says it's nothing to worry about.This is
0:17:35 > 0:17:39reflecting what happened several years ago when fees were introduced
0:17:39 > 0:17:44for the wider student population and history tells us that over time, we
0:17:44 > 0:17:49will have an increase, and certainly in our University we are planning to
0:17:49 > 0:17:52increase our student numbers over the next five years. So I'm feeling
0:17:52 > 0:17:58very positive about this going forward.Training nurses and other
0:17:58 > 0:18:00health care professionals in false time and money. When patient demand
0:18:00 > 0:18:08is rising, time and money are both resources the NHS has little of. So
0:18:08 > 0:18:13let's hope the new plans to work and people like Emily can find a way to
0:18:13 > 0:18:17get their dream job.It's kind of my driving force for wanting to be a
0:18:17 > 0:18:30nurse and going from there, and hopefully I will make him proud.
0:18:30 > 0:18:34They are known for leather while gulls, for bracing outdoor
0:18:34 > 0:18:40activities and for always being prepared. But one Scout group is
0:18:40 > 0:18:52unique in the south-east. Emma Thomas explains why.
0:18:57 > 0:19:01All about new challenges. But these are not just any scouts, they are
0:19:01 > 0:19:07Muslims goats and are making history as the first and only Scout group in
0:19:07 > 0:19:12Kent and Sussex.I like it because I get to learn new life skills.How is
0:19:12 > 0:19:20this group different from any other? The Scouting movement was set up
0:19:20 > 0:19:26more than 100 years ago by Robert Baden Powell. He was the son of an
0:19:26 > 0:19:30Anglican priest. At the time, England was an overwhelmingly
0:19:30 > 0:19:34Christian country so he designed the swearing in ceremony to pledge
0:19:34 > 0:19:39allegiance to a Christian God. Obviously for this group it will be
0:19:39 > 0:19:48different.OK, guys, we are going to invest Zara today.
0:19:48 > 0:19:51Today, Zara is being invested.
0:19:51 > 0:19:55That means she is officially joining the Scouts.
0:19:55 > 0:20:02I promise to do my best.
0:20:02 > 0:20:08To do my best for Alain and the country in which I live.
0:20:08 > 0:20:10At the start of each meeting, the children say a prayer
0:20:10 > 0:20:12to Allah and raise the flag.
0:20:12 > 0:20:25Can you come and do the flag part please?
0:20:28 > 0:20:37I like doing flag thing.Altogether now, I promise... A rite of passage
0:20:37 > 0:20:41that might not have been possible without this group and now that Zara
0:20:41 > 0:20:51is in she doesn't want to leave.I like it, I want to stay.The leaders
0:20:51 > 0:20:56started the group, he is a leader but it has helped him realise a
0:20:56 > 0:20:59childhood dream as well. His parents wouldn't let him join the Scouts
0:20:59 > 0:21:05because they did not understand what Scouting was.I formed the group
0:21:05 > 0:21:09because the parents were not aware of Scouting as such.
0:21:09 > 0:21:15I wanted the children to benefit from the things Scouting brings,
0:21:15 > 0:21:18so I formed the Muslim Scout group so we cater for their religious
0:21:18 > 0:21:19and cultural needs.
0:21:19 > 0:21:26Which a normal Scout group might not be able to do.
0:21:26 > 0:21:31Any child can join this group, whatever their faith.
0:21:31 > 0:21:35All Scout groups welcome everybody. Today the children are doing a major
0:21:35 > 0:21:39bag, standard Scouting activity that also helps them learn about their
0:21:39 > 0:21:45faith.It tells the children we need to protect wildlife and care for the
0:21:45 > 0:21:48Earth and its resources. We are taught that we are custodians of
0:21:48 > 0:21:52this planet, it is not ours, so there's the link with Islam but
0:21:52 > 0:21:58otherwise the activity is just the same as any other group would run.
0:21:58 > 0:22:02Shahid is a teacher and one of the proud parents glad to have this
0:22:02 > 0:22:06group. He never got the chance to be in the Scouts and he didn't want his
0:22:06 > 0:22:17daughter to miss out.
0:22:17 > 0:22:22Why were your parents reluctant for you to join the Scouts?Think
0:22:22 > 0:22:26primarily they didn't know anything about it. I think they felt it was
0:22:26 > 0:22:31something that perhaps Muslims didn't do, so they didn't want to
0:22:31 > 0:22:39find out. Because they had no real concept of what it was about. Is
0:22:39 > 0:22:43group pretty much mirrors scudding nationally.Seven girls here who
0:22:43 > 0:22:47outnumber the boys come in the UK there are more girls joining the
0:22:47 > 0:22:52scouts than boys. This mother sends two of her daughters here, she says
0:22:52 > 0:22:57it is important to help them become strong confident women. What do your
0:22:57 > 0:23:04girls get out of coming here?
0:23:04 > 0:23:07This group is an opportunity for the girls to break free of
0:23:07 > 0:23:09the stereotypes society imposes on them.
0:23:09 > 0:23:13Of being able to do certain things or not being able to do certain
0:23:13 > 0:23:18Things. To realise they can do all the things the boys do. This way
0:23:18 > 0:23:20they can feel confident and know that the world is their oyster.
0:23:30 > 0:23:34A big day on the scudding calendar, Scouting groups from countries
0:23:34 > 0:23:38around the world are meeting at the Kent Showground for their big fun
0:23:38 > 0:23:47get-together, a jamboree. And I am about to meet perhaps the most
0:23:47 > 0:23:57famous Scout of all. The adventurer Bear Grylls 's helicopter has just
0:23:57 > 0:24:01landed. Hello, nice to meet you.
0:24:01 > 0:24:06As scouts, we are a big worldwide family.
0:24:06 > 0:24:07Big arms, big hearts.
0:24:07 > 0:24:08It is about including people
0:24:08 > 0:24:11in the community from all sorts of different backgrounds and faiths. We
0:24:11 > 0:24:17do that well and we are proud of that. And to see so many Muslims
0:24:17 > 0:24:21groups growing is wonderful.
0:24:21 > 0:24:27People from all backgrounds, nationalities and faiths.Where are
0:24:27 > 0:24:37you from?From Barry.I nobody quite well.While they hear the scouts
0:24:37 > 0:24:42take part the tradition. They tied the friendship not, they take the
0:24:42 > 0:24:46negative and they put it on the other person and then they can take
0:24:46 > 0:24:49it away with them and that is the French and not we are going to do
0:24:49 > 0:25:00today. So just not the scarves, one at a time -- it's the friendship
0:25:00 > 0:25:07knot.How old are you?Ten, nearly 11.Soon it's time for the ceremony,
0:25:07 > 0:25:15the Welsh scouts are ready to hand over their official scarf. Back at
0:25:15 > 0:25:21the ceremony, Zara is about to become a fully fledged Scout. To
0:25:21 > 0:25:25help other people...To help other people and to keep the cub scout
0:25:25 > 0:25:31law.Now you are an official member of this group. She's looking forward
0:25:31 > 0:25:34to many more exciting adventures ahead.
0:25:43 > 0:25:47That's it from us tonight from the Medway towns. Thank you for
0:25:47 > 0:25:58watching. See you next week.