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0:00:22 > 0:00:25- Hello and welcome to Perthyn.
0:00:25 > 0:00:29- Today, I'm in Betws Gwerful Goch - near Corwen...
0:00:29 > 0:00:35- ..meeting singer and farmer - Trebor Edwards and his grandsons.
0:00:36 > 0:00:40- # I'm only human
0:00:40 > 0:00:44- # I'm just a man
0:00:44 > 0:00:48- # Help me believe in what I could be
0:00:48 > 0:00:51- # And all that I am #
0:00:51 > 0:00:56- I'm Trebor Edwards - and I live in Bryn Alaw...
0:00:56 > 0:00:59- ..near Pen Y Bryniau, - Betws Gwerful Goch.
0:01:00 > 0:01:06- I've lived in Pen Y Bryniau - since 1956.
0:01:07 > 0:01:09- That makes me an old man, - doesn't it?
0:01:11 > 0:01:13- I left school when I was 16...
0:01:13 > 0:01:19- ..and went straight into farming - on my own at Pen Y Bryniau.
0:01:21 > 0:01:25- Singing has been - a very important part of my life.
0:01:27 > 0:01:31- Having said that, - farming always comes first...
0:01:31 > 0:01:35- ..but singing - is a big part of my life.
0:01:35 > 0:01:38- # Lord, for my sake
0:01:38 > 0:01:41- # Teach me to take
0:01:41 > 0:01:44- # One day at a time #
0:01:44 > 0:01:47- Trebor, what a glorious day.
0:01:48 > 0:01:49- Yes, it's amazing.
0:01:49 > 0:01:51- But it's always like this here!
0:01:53 > 0:01:56- You're famous for your singing.
0:01:56 > 0:02:01- You're one of the most successful - tenors Wales has ever produced.
0:02:02 > 0:02:05- How did your music career begin?
0:02:07 > 0:02:10- I started singing - when I was a child.
0:02:11 > 0:02:13- My grandfather - lived at Pen Y Bryniau.
0:02:13 > 0:02:15- His name was Clement Jones.
0:02:16 > 0:02:19- My grandfather loved to sing.
0:02:21 > 0:02:25- I think I started singing - because of my grandfather.
0:02:25 > 0:02:28- I'd compete - at small local eisteddfodau...
0:02:30 > 0:02:34- ..and I'd sing at the chapel - and at Sunday School.
0:02:35 > 0:02:38- That's where it all began.
0:02:40 > 0:02:41- Somehow...
0:02:42 > 0:02:47- ..things seemed to snowball - from there.
0:02:47 > 0:02:52- Then there came a competition - called Dyma Gyfle.
0:02:53 > 0:02:56- It was a national competition.
0:02:56 > 0:03:00- People from across Wales...
0:03:01 > 0:03:04- ..had an opportunity - to take part in Dyma Gyfle.
0:03:04 > 0:03:07- It was a televised talent contest.
0:03:07 > 0:03:12- I then had a chance - to record an album.
0:03:13 > 0:03:16- Dafydd Iwan started it all off.
0:03:17 > 0:03:21- He told me - that I had to record an album.
0:03:22 > 0:03:27- From that point onwards, - things just seemed to grow and grow.
0:03:29 > 0:03:33- I took a lot of time off work - to go and sing.
0:03:36 > 0:03:37- I enjoyed it immensely.
0:03:37 > 0:03:39- I really did.
0:03:40 > 0:03:44- You entertained passengers - on cruise ships, didn't you?
0:03:45 > 0:03:49- Yes, and that really was - an unexpected opportunity.
0:03:49 > 0:03:51- I was singing in South Wales...
0:03:53 > 0:03:55- ..when a man came up to me...
0:03:55 > 0:03:59- ..and asked me if I'd be interested - in singing on a cruise.
0:04:02 > 0:04:04- That's how it started.
0:04:05 > 0:04:10- I'm not sure how many cruises - I've sung on, but it's around 24.
0:04:13 > 0:04:14- You're still at it.
0:04:15 > 0:04:18- Yes. We were - in the Mediterranean last year.
0:04:19 > 0:04:24- There's also talk - of another cruise next year.
0:04:24 > 0:04:28- Despite all your success - in the singing world...
0:04:28 > 0:04:31- ..you're a farmer, - first and foremost.
0:04:31 > 0:04:34- Yes, without a shadow of a doubt.
0:04:34 > 0:04:37- I'm a farmer, - and farming comes first.
0:04:37 > 0:04:38- Yes.
0:04:39 > 0:04:45- I started farming here on my own - when I was 16 years old.
0:04:47 > 0:04:49- I've enjoyed it.
0:04:52 > 0:04:55- Of course, - some things haven't gone to plan...
0:04:57 > 0:05:02- ..but that happens to us all, - no matter what business you're in.
0:05:02 > 0:05:04- Farming definitely comes first.
0:05:05 > 0:05:10- Yes, but farming and singing have - gone hand in hand over the years.
0:05:10 > 0:05:13- Yes, and I've been very lucky.
0:05:13 > 0:05:17- I remember being invited - to Hong Kong one St David's Day...
0:05:17 > 0:05:21- ..but the lambing season - was about to start.
0:05:21 > 0:05:23- I didn't know how I'd do it.
0:05:23 > 0:05:27- My sons told me not to worry - because they'd sort them out.
0:05:27 > 0:05:31- I went to Hong Kong - and I really enjoyed it.
0:05:36 > 0:05:37- I enjoy farming.
0:05:38 > 0:05:40- It's part of me...
0:05:40 > 0:05:44- ..and I don't know much - about anything else!
0:05:44 > 0:05:47- It's very important to me.
0:05:50 > 0:05:55- I enjoy producing - and showing great cattle.
0:05:56 > 0:06:02- My grandchildren show them - and they're part of our lives.
0:06:14 > 0:06:17- This is a beautiful location - with broad horizons.
0:06:17 > 0:06:20- Can you tell me - what we can see around us here?
0:06:22 > 0:06:24- It's wonderful, isn't it?
0:06:24 > 0:06:26- There's a hill in front of us.
0:06:27 > 0:06:31- Behind that hill - lies the district of Uwch Aled...
0:06:31 > 0:06:34- ..and the town of Cerrigydrudion.
0:06:35 > 0:06:39- If you head in this direction, - you'll end up in the Vale of Clwyd.
0:06:42 > 0:06:44- The Ruthin area is over there.
0:06:45 > 0:06:50- That's the road from Cerrigydrudion - to Ruthin, below those trees.
0:06:50 > 0:06:56- You can keep an eye on the world and - his wife from an elevated position.
0:06:56 > 0:06:58- Yes. We're very lucky.
0:06:59 > 0:07:01- What do you farm on this land?
0:07:02 > 0:07:06- We have suckler cows.
0:07:09 > 0:07:14- We keep around 130 suckler cows...
0:07:15 > 0:07:18- ..and just over 1,000 sheep.
0:07:19 > 0:07:24- Is it true to say that farming - Pen Y Bryniau is a dream come true?
0:07:24 > 0:07:28- Yes. It's what I wanted to do.
0:07:29 > 0:07:30- I was lucky.
0:07:31 > 0:07:34- My grandfather was selling the farm.
0:07:36 > 0:07:41- The farm went under the hammer - in 1954, I think.
0:07:43 > 0:07:47- Back then, this farm cost 5,000.
0:07:48 > 0:07:53- Imagine how little you'd get - for 5,000 today!
0:07:55 > 0:08:00- I asked my mother to tell Taid - that I'd like to buy it.
0:08:02 > 0:08:05- My grandfather - then offered the place to me...
0:08:06 > 0:08:08- ..and he said - he'd put 2,000 towards it.
0:08:10 > 0:08:11- He gave you a discount!
0:08:14 > 0:08:16- Yes, and that's how it started.
0:08:17 > 0:08:19- Things worked out really well.
0:08:21 > 0:08:25- You've passed down - your love of farming to your sons...
0:08:25 > 0:08:27- ..and to your grandsons.
0:08:27 > 0:08:30- They're keen farmers too.
0:08:30 > 0:08:33- Yes, the boys are amazing.
0:08:35 > 0:08:38- Erfyl is here, at Pen Y Bryniau.
0:08:38 > 0:08:41- Gwyn and Lun, his wife, - are at Pencraig Fawr.
0:08:42 > 0:08:45- They have two sons, Dion and Cai.
0:08:46 > 0:08:52- They're both at home, trying hard - to get work here and there.
0:08:54 > 0:08:58- Are any of them singers, - like their grandfather?
0:08:58 > 0:09:00- Well...
0:09:01 > 0:09:04- If they are, they hide it well!
0:09:05 > 0:09:10- Cai, one of my grandsons, - really likes playing rugby.
0:09:10 > 0:09:15- These lads have a drink or two - after rugby matches.
0:09:15 > 0:09:21- I'm told that Cai's a good singer, - once he's had a drink!
0:09:21 > 0:09:25- I've tried to get him to sing - but I can't.
0:09:25 > 0:09:27- We can all sing after a few drinks!
0:09:32 > 0:09:34- I have ten grandchildren...
0:09:36 > 0:09:39- ..and four great-grandchildren.
0:09:40 > 0:09:42- We've been really lucky.
0:09:44 > 0:09:48- One grandson is at Pen Y Bryniau - and two are at Pencraig.
0:09:49 > 0:09:53- They love to farm. - Farming is their lives.
0:09:58 > 0:10:02- Dion, it's noisy here today. - What's happening?
0:10:02 > 0:10:06- Clipping the sheep and getting lambs - ready to go to pasture.
0:10:07 > 0:10:09- Have you always - wanted to be a farmer?
0:10:10 > 0:10:13- Yes. I never considered - doing anything else.
0:10:14 > 0:10:17- Was there pressure to do it - because farming's in the family?
0:10:18 > 0:10:20- No, there was no pressure.
0:10:20 > 0:10:22- It's what I've wanted to do...
0:10:22 > 0:10:26- ..ever since I was a little boy - helping Dad on the farm.
0:10:26 > 0:10:29- I never considered - doing anything else.
0:10:29 > 0:10:34- What memories can you share with us - of growing up here?
0:10:35 > 0:10:40- I remember being dragged around - by the lambs in the shed...
0:10:40 > 0:10:42- ..when I thought I was a big man!
0:10:42 > 0:10:44- So you were very young.
0:10:44 > 0:10:49- Yes, I've been going out with Dad on - the tractor ever since I could walk.
0:10:49 > 0:10:53- I'm sure I was more of a hindrance - than a help, but I tried!
0:10:54 > 0:11:00- Have you learnt at a college - or just by working on the farm?
0:11:00 > 0:11:04- I've learnt a lot at home, - but I spent two years at Llysfasi.
0:11:05 > 0:11:07- I've also done work experience - on a farm.
0:11:08 > 0:11:11- It was good to see - how other people worked.
0:11:11 > 0:11:14- What aspects of the work - do you enjoy most?
0:11:15 > 0:11:16- Working with the stock.
0:11:16 > 0:11:20- I prefer sheep and cattle - to sitting on a tractor.
0:11:20 > 0:11:22- I'm not too keen - on the paperwork either!
0:11:23 > 0:11:24- But that has to be done.
0:11:24 > 0:11:25- But that has to be done.- - Yes.
0:11:25 > 0:11:27- And lots of it.
0:11:28 > 0:11:31- Yes, that's more important - than almost anything else now.
0:11:32 > 0:11:36- The shearing season is approaching, - and it's a busy period for you.
0:11:37 > 0:11:40- Yes. We'll start - in two or three weeks.
0:11:40 > 0:11:43- We cover the Flintshire - and Cheshire areas...
0:11:43 > 0:11:46- ..and other places - with good pasture.
0:11:47 > 0:11:50- How many will you shear in a day?
0:11:50 > 0:11:53- How many will you shear in a day?- - Anything from 200 to 300 each.
0:11:56 > 0:11:57- It's sweaty work.
0:11:57 > 0:12:01- Yes, it's hard work, - but it's one way to earn some cash.
0:12:01 > 0:12:04- Have you been away shearing?
0:12:04 > 0:12:05- Have you been away shearing?- - Yes, in New Zealand.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07- I was there for three months.
0:12:08 > 0:12:12- Is farming very different - in New Zealand?
0:12:13 > 0:12:14- Yes.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16- Everything's on a huge scale.
0:12:17 > 0:12:20- You're talking about - thousands of acres.
0:12:20 > 0:12:23- Did you enjoy the experience?
0:12:23 > 0:12:25- Did you enjoy the experience?- - Yes, and I'd love to go back there.
0:12:27 > 0:12:33- Do you use skills on this farm - that you learnt from your grandad?
0:12:33 > 0:12:36- Yes. We learn from him all the time.
0:12:36 > 0:12:39- It's not a case - of learning one skill.
0:12:39 > 0:12:41- We learn all the time from him.
0:12:41 > 0:12:45- I've watched him handle sheep - and I learn from being with him.
0:12:45 > 0:12:50- Your grandparents' house is - on the hill, looking down at you.
0:12:50 > 0:12:53- We can't do anything - without him seeing it!
0:12:53 > 0:12:55- Does he watch everything you do?
0:12:55 > 0:12:57- Does he watch everything you do?- - Yes, pretty much everything.
0:12:57 > 0:12:59- That's not a bad thing.
0:13:05 > 0:13:11- Join me after the break, when I'll - have more from Betws Gwerful Goch.
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0:13:27 > 0:13:30- Welcome back to the hills - of Betws Gwerful Goch...
0:13:30 > 0:13:34- ..where I'm meeting Trebor Edwards - and a few of his grandsons.
0:13:35 > 0:13:38- Next, we return to Pencraig Fawr - to meet Cai.
0:13:42 > 0:13:46- One of his favourite hobbies - is showing animals at shows.
0:13:47 > 0:13:50- Cai has a talent for showing...
0:13:51 > 0:13:53- ..and he's been successful.
0:13:54 > 0:13:57- He won a competition - at the Royal Welsh Show last year.
0:13:57 > 0:13:59- He's had a great career.
0:14:05 > 0:14:07- Cai, hello.
0:14:08 > 0:14:09- Are you busy?
0:14:10 > 0:14:14- Yes, I'm getting this bullock ready - for the shows.
0:14:16 > 0:14:19- Is there much preparation to be done - ahead of a show?
0:14:20 > 0:14:23- Yes, there's a lot of preparation - to be done.
0:14:23 > 0:14:28- They must get used to being led - around the ring and used to people.
0:14:29 > 0:14:35- What does a judge look for - in a bullock like this one?
0:14:36 > 0:14:40- Naturally, every judge - has his or her own preferences.
0:14:41 > 0:14:44- Most judges want to see - plenty of meat on the animal.
0:14:45 > 0:14:49- At the end of the day, this bullock - will go to the beef market.
0:14:49 > 0:14:51- That's why they look for the meat.
0:14:53 > 0:14:56- What sparked your interest - in showing animals, Cai?
0:14:58 > 0:14:59- I'm not sure.
0:14:59 > 0:15:03- I went to shows with Dad - when I was growing up.
0:15:03 > 0:15:08- It just came naturally to me - to start showing animals myself.
0:15:10 > 0:15:13- Being with cattle - all day, every day...
0:15:13 > 0:15:17- ..made me want to show other people - what I've got here.
0:15:19 > 0:15:23- Do you look at all the bullocks - you have on the farm...
0:15:23 > 0:15:26- ..and pick out the one - you're taking to show?
0:15:26 > 0:15:29- The one with the greatest potential?
0:15:29 > 0:15:31- The one with the greatest potential?- - Yes, we pick them out as calves.
0:15:31 > 0:15:37- We spend hours looking at them, - studying their pros and cons...
0:15:37 > 0:15:40- ..so we can select - the right animals.
0:15:40 > 0:15:45- We then try to breed them - to create more similar calves.
0:15:46 > 0:15:50- Do you sometimes get to a show, - see the competition...
0:15:50 > 0:15:54- ..and think to yourself, - "We'll never beat this one."
0:15:55 > 0:15:57- Yes, at almost every show!
0:15:57 > 0:16:01- Everything looks better - when you're at home.
0:16:01 > 0:16:05- Once you reach the show - and see the best of the best...
0:16:05 > 0:16:07- ..you know - you have real competition.
0:16:08 > 0:16:12- There's only a year - between you and Dion, your brother.
0:16:12 > 0:16:15- Do you two argue sometimes?
0:16:16 > 0:16:18- No, we never argue.
0:16:18 > 0:16:23- We may disagree sometimes, - but we get on really well.
0:16:24 > 0:16:25- Are you similar?
0:16:25 > 0:16:29- Yes, some people would say - we're similar in some ways...
0:16:30 > 0:16:33- ..but we're also different - in many ways.
0:16:33 > 0:16:37- He loves shearing and he spends - most of his time with the sheep...
0:16:38 > 0:16:40- ..but I prefer - to be with the cattle.
0:16:41 > 0:16:44- Do you ask - for your grandfather's advice...
0:16:44 > 0:16:48- ..if you have trouble with a lamb - or with a bullock?
0:16:50 > 0:16:53- Yes, I pick up the phone - from time to time...
0:16:54 > 0:16:57- ..to ask him to share - some tricks of the trade.
0:17:01 > 0:17:05- He's shared so much knowledge - with us over the years.
0:17:06 > 0:17:08- I don't know - where I'd be without him.
0:17:14 > 0:17:20- Rhydian has his own hens...
0:17:20 > 0:17:23- ..and he sells their eggs.
0:17:25 > 0:17:28- It's a very important part - of his life.
0:17:30 > 0:17:34- He's also bought two calves.
0:17:34 > 0:17:36- We all live close to each other...
0:17:37 > 0:17:40- ..so we help each other - as much as we can.
0:17:42 > 0:17:45- It's a real pleasure.
0:17:53 > 0:17:55- Rhydian, what are you making me do?
0:17:55 > 0:17:57- We're mucking out...
0:17:57 > 0:18:00- ..ready for the calves - to come back in.
0:18:00 > 0:18:02- Do we have to clear all this lot?
0:18:02 > 0:18:05- I don't know. - Let's do this half anyway.
0:18:05 > 0:18:09- Rhydian, - you're the youngest grandson.
0:18:09 > 0:18:11- Are you the quietest one too?
0:18:12 > 0:18:14- No, I don't think so.
0:18:14 > 0:18:15- Well, maybe.
0:18:15 > 0:18:16- Would your grandfather agree?
0:18:16 > 0:18:18- Would your grandfather agree?- - No, I don't think so.
0:18:20 > 0:18:23- But I'm sure - you're the most hard-working.
0:18:23 > 0:18:24- I don't think so.
0:18:25 > 0:18:27- Do you enjoy farming?
0:18:27 > 0:18:28- Do you enjoy farming?- - Yes. I always have.
0:18:31 > 0:18:33- You study farming too.
0:18:33 > 0:18:37- Yes, I go to Llysfasi twice a week. - It's a break from schoolwork.
0:18:37 > 0:18:39- Do you want to be a farmer?
0:18:40 > 0:18:43- Yes, when I leave school, - I'll go to college...
0:18:44 > 0:18:46- ..then I'll hopefully farm at home.
0:18:47 > 0:18:50- The dream is to run your own farm.
0:18:50 > 0:18:54- You already have your own hens, - and two calves.
0:18:54 > 0:18:55- Tell me more.
0:18:57 > 0:19:00- I've been keeping hens - since I was eight years old.
0:19:00 > 0:19:04- I got seven as a birthday present - and it's grown from there.
0:19:05 > 0:19:06- I've now got 39 hens...
0:19:06 > 0:19:09- ..and I sell their eggs - to a lot of people.
0:19:11 > 0:19:14- How many eggs do they lay every day?
0:19:14 > 0:19:15- How many eggs do they lay every day?- - Around 36 eggs.
0:19:15 > 0:19:18- You then sell them - by the half dozen?
0:19:18 > 0:19:21- Yes, and I charge - 1 per half a dozen.
0:19:21 > 0:19:23- I have quite a few customers.
0:19:23 > 0:19:25- That's great pocket money for you.
0:19:25 > 0:19:27- That's great pocket money for you.- - Yes, it's great.
0:19:28 > 0:19:31- You reinvested that money - in two calves, didn't you?
0:19:33 > 0:19:36- Yes. I bought the calves - from my uncle and aunt.
0:19:38 > 0:19:40- I've been bucket-rearing them.
0:19:40 > 0:19:43- I gave them milk - before I went to school...
0:19:44 > 0:19:46- ..for the first month.
0:19:46 > 0:19:50- I've now been able to stop - giving them milk.
0:19:50 > 0:19:52- They're on water now.
0:19:52 > 0:19:55- The idea is to sell them - in a year's time.
0:19:55 > 0:20:00- Their value will have risen by then.
0:20:00 > 0:20:03- Yes, unless - there are hassles with them...
0:20:04 > 0:20:06- ..or if I have to call the vet.
0:20:06 > 0:20:09- Is there a good profit in them?
0:20:09 > 0:20:10- Is there a good profit in them?- - I hope there will be.
0:20:10 > 0:20:12- I won't say too much!
0:20:13 > 0:20:16- Will you reinvest it - and buy more stock?
0:20:17 > 0:20:19- Maybe, if I make a good profit.
0:20:20 > 0:20:22- The hens are my main priority.
0:20:22 > 0:20:24- This is just a trial run.
0:20:24 > 0:20:25- Do you enjoy it?
0:20:25 > 0:20:26- Do you enjoy it?- - Yes.
0:20:27 > 0:20:31- Does Taid sometimes say, - "No, Rhydian! Not like that!"?
0:20:31 > 0:20:35- He tries, but I keep telling him - times have changed!
0:20:35 > 0:20:36- Good answer!
0:20:37 > 0:20:38- Let's get on with it.
0:20:46 > 0:20:50- We were very lucky to have - been able to build this house here.
0:20:52 > 0:20:56- It's in a really convenient spot.
0:20:57 > 0:21:00- We see Pen Y Bryniau - through one window.
0:21:00 > 0:21:06- We can also see Pencraig Bach, - where Catherine and Geraint live...
0:21:07 > 0:21:12- ..and Pencraig Fawr, where - Gwyn, Lun and the children live.
0:21:12 > 0:21:15- It feels wonderful - to be so close to them.
0:21:20 > 0:21:23- How often - do you see your grandparents?
0:21:24 > 0:21:26- We come to Pen Y Bryniau most days.
0:21:26 > 0:21:32- We see Taid every day, - and Nain most days of the week.
0:21:32 > 0:21:35- Do you call in - for some tasty cakes?
0:21:36 > 0:21:39- You all live - a stone's throw from each other.
0:21:39 > 0:21:42- Is it good to know - there's always someone there...
0:21:43 > 0:21:45- ..to give you a helping hand, Dion?
0:21:46 > 0:21:50- Yes, if I need help - to hook something to the tractor...
0:21:50 > 0:21:53- ..or to gather sheep, - it's easy to go and fetch help.
0:21:54 > 0:21:57- If I pick up the phone, - help will be there in five minutes.
0:21:58 > 0:22:02- Rhydian, do you learn a lot - from Cai and Dion?
0:22:02 > 0:22:07- Yes. Cai teaches me about showing - cattle and Dion teaches me to shear.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10- It's helpful - to have someone to look up to.
0:22:11 > 0:22:14- You're only 14, - but you already show cattle.
0:22:15 > 0:22:18- Yes, I enter - Young Handlers competitions.
0:22:18 > 0:22:20- I really enjoy it, fair play.
0:22:21 > 0:22:25- Trebor, do you see your younger self - in these boys?
0:22:27 > 0:22:31- Well, I wouldn't say that - because they're naughty boys!
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0:22:34 > 0:22:38- No, I'm extremely proud of them.
0:22:40 > 0:22:44- They take part in shows - and in YFC competitions.
0:22:44 > 0:22:49- I'm proud of the fact they're - so involved with such organizations.
0:22:49 > 0:22:53- It's important, - when you look to the future.
0:22:53 > 0:22:57- Do you hear Taid - singing in the field sometimes?
0:22:58 > 0:23:02- He's always singing on the farmyard.
0:23:03 > 0:23:05- You sing all the time, don't you?
0:23:08 > 0:23:12- Trebor and the boys, - I can't thank you enough.
0:23:12 > 0:23:16- I've had a great time - and you have a lovely place here.
0:23:17 > 0:23:18- Thank you for welcoming me.
0:23:18 > 0:23:19- Thank you for welcoming me.- - Thank you.
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