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0:00:00 > 0:00:05- Tracing the family tree - is an obsession for Welsh people.
0:00:05 > 0:00:09- We like to ask where are you from - and to whom are you related?
0:00:09 > 0:00:12- At the National Library - in Aberystwyth...
0:00:12 > 0:00:16- ..the Perthyn team is investigating - some of your stories.
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0:00:46 > 0:00:50- Your family stories - have poured in over recent months.
0:00:50 > 0:00:54- The Perthyn team - has gone through them all.
0:00:57 > 0:01:00- Shirley Ellis got in touch, - asking us for help.
0:01:00 > 0:01:02- Originally from the valleys...
0:01:03 > 0:01:06- ..Shirley has lived in Lleyn - for the past 50 years.
0:01:06 > 0:01:11- Tracing her family tree - has become an obsession for Shirley.
0:01:11 > 0:01:14- She has regularly visited - the National Library...
0:01:14 > 0:01:17- ..to try to fill in the blanks.
0:01:18 > 0:01:23- You're a regular visitor - to the National Library.
0:01:23 > 0:01:27- But you also have another link - with Aberystwyth.
0:01:27 > 0:01:28- A very strong one too.
0:01:29 > 0:01:31- Mam was born here.
0:01:31 > 0:01:33- Through my grandfather...
0:01:36 > 0:01:39- ..I'm related to the Pugh family - in Cwmsymlog.
0:01:40 > 0:01:44- They were farmers - and also mined for lead and silver.
0:01:44 > 0:01:48- But I'm not quite sure - where I fit in.
0:01:48 > 0:01:50- I'm some kind of mongrel...
0:01:50 > 0:01:54- ..raised in the south - and living in the north.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57- Aberystwyth is halfway.
0:01:57 > 0:01:58- You're a mix of them all.
0:01:58 > 0:01:59- You're a mix of them all.- - Yes.
0:02:00 > 0:02:04- But you are fascinated - by one bit of family history.
0:02:05 > 0:02:09- Yes, those relatives - who left Cwmsymlog for America...
0:02:10 > 0:02:14- ..during the Gold Rush - from 1865 onwards.
0:02:14 > 0:02:18- I know that many of the sons went.
0:02:18 > 0:02:21- I wanted to know more about them.
0:02:21 > 0:02:24- But I must admit that by now...
0:02:24 > 0:02:29- ..I know more about them - than those who stayed behind.
0:02:29 > 0:02:31- When you were growing up...
0:02:31 > 0:02:35- ..did you know - you had family in America?
0:02:35 > 0:02:40- I've heard about them - for over 70 years...
0:02:40 > 0:02:44- ..through my grandfather's sister...
0:02:45 > 0:02:47- ..Margaret Lloyd.
0:02:48 > 0:02:53- She kept in touch with Mam - by letter for over 50 years.
0:02:54 > 0:03:00- We heard all the stories - about their lives in America.
0:03:03 > 0:03:07- Shirley's family - mined for lead and silver...
0:03:07 > 0:03:10- ..in Cwmsymlog, near Aberystwyth, - 150 years ago.
0:03:11 > 0:03:15- In the mid 19th century, mining - was at its peak in Mid Wales...
0:03:16 > 0:03:19- ..with more than 100 works - dotted around the landscape.
0:03:20 > 0:03:25- Six of the Cwmsymlog Pughs - emigrated to Gold Hill, Colorado...
0:03:25 > 0:03:29- ..during the 1860s Gold Rush.
0:03:29 > 0:03:35- So far, Shirley has focused - on those relatives who emigrated.
0:03:37 > 0:03:40- Who emigrated first, Shirley?
0:03:40 > 0:03:43- Charles E Pugh was the first...
0:03:43 > 0:03:47- ..followed by his brother, - John Pugh.
0:03:47 > 0:03:50- Charles opened a large shop...
0:03:51 > 0:03:54- ..that sold everything, - like a Gold Hill version of Tesco.
0:03:55 > 0:03:59- But it was - the younger brother, John...
0:03:59 > 0:04:01- ..who made his fortune.
0:04:05 > 0:04:07- In 1869, when he was 19 years old...
0:04:07 > 0:04:12- ..John Pugh followed the gold - goddess from Cwmsymlog to Colorado.
0:04:12 > 0:04:16- He started out - as an ordinary gold miner...
0:04:16 > 0:04:19- ..but within 20 years, - he had become a millionaire.
0:04:22 > 0:04:26- As the English would say, - he was a self-made man.
0:04:26 > 0:04:29- From rags to riches.
0:04:29 > 0:04:33- That's the clear picture I have - of this man.
0:04:37 > 0:04:42- Those who live in Gold Hill now - call him Silver Tip...
0:04:43 > 0:04:47- ..the man who reached the top.
0:04:47 > 0:04:51- Have you ever benefited - from his wealth?
0:04:51 > 0:04:55- I haven't seen a penny of it, - but Tad-cu always said...
0:04:55 > 0:04:59- ..money would come from somewhere, - but it hasn't come yet.
0:04:59 > 0:05:03- As well as John Pugh - and his brother, Charles E...
0:05:03 > 0:05:08- ..four others of that generation - went to America.
0:05:08 > 0:05:11- The cousins were the sons - of Tudor and Charles.
0:05:11 > 0:05:14- Charles was Shirley's - great-great-grandfather.
0:05:14 > 0:05:18- He and his brother mined lead - and silver in Cwmsymlog.
0:05:19 > 0:05:23- Since before Roman times, - people have taken advantage...
0:05:23 > 0:05:28- ..of Ceredigion's wealth - of minerals and precious metals.
0:05:28 > 0:05:32- For generations, - mining had been a way of life...
0:05:32 > 0:05:35- ..for men like Charles and Tudor.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41- Shirley has come - to Llywernog museum...
0:05:42 > 0:05:46- ..to meet Dafydd Morris Jones, - an expert on mining history.
0:05:46 > 0:05:49- I have to admit...
0:05:49 > 0:05:53- ..there's a great similarity - between these mines...
0:05:54 > 0:05:56- ..and the gold mines of America.
0:05:56 > 0:05:59- Yes, it's very similar - to the Wild West.
0:05:59 > 0:06:04- But from 1800 to 1840, it was - exactly like the Wild West here.
0:06:05 > 0:06:09- People would have been running - all over these hills...
0:06:09 > 0:06:11- ..with their flat caps and dynamite.
0:06:12 > 0:06:16- There was a desire - to make a fortune from these rocks.
0:06:16 > 0:06:21- At its peak, around 10,000 people - worked in these parts...
0:06:21 > 0:06:25- ..of Cardiganshire - and Montgomeryshire.
0:06:26 > 0:06:30- Your family would have mined - during the most exciting period.
0:06:30 > 0:06:35- They were here when everybody - was looking to make their fortune.
0:06:35 > 0:06:39- What was life like for the men - who worked underground?
0:06:40 > 0:06:42- It was a hard life.
0:06:42 > 0:06:46- The work was very physical. - They had to be strong.
0:06:46 > 0:06:50- Waterwheels would have operated - drills and hammers and so on...
0:06:54 > 0:06:58- ..but it was heavy work - in dark and dusty conditions.
0:06:58 > 0:07:00- It required a lot of strength.
0:07:04 > 0:07:07- While I was listening to you, - one thing struck me.
0:07:08 > 0:07:14- Six men from the Pugh family - left for Colorado over the years.
0:07:15 > 0:07:19- Each of them worked in mines here - for years before leaving.
0:07:20 > 0:07:23- They already had - the relevant skills.
0:07:24 > 0:07:25- They knew what to do.
0:07:25 > 0:07:28- They knew what to do.- - They were going there as experts.
0:07:28 > 0:07:31- There was a lot of demand - for skilled miners.
0:07:31 > 0:07:36- "There was a cry that went out - in the north country."
0:07:36 > 0:07:40- Miners came from Yorkshire - to teach the Cardis how to mine.
0:07:40 > 0:07:44- In the same way, a cry went out - to the miners of Mid Wales...
0:07:44 > 0:07:47- ..to teach Americans how to mine.
0:07:47 > 0:07:49- Their skills were transferable.
0:07:50 > 0:07:53- The 1870s - were the beginning of the end...
0:07:54 > 0:07:57- ..for the golden age of mining - in Mid Wales.
0:07:57 > 0:08:01- Within a generation, - almost every mine had closed.
0:08:01 > 0:08:06- Welsh miners were given the chance - to use their skills in America.
0:08:06 > 0:08:09- Many Welsh people - flocked to America...
0:08:10 > 0:08:14- ..during the Gold Rush, - Shirley's relatives among them.
0:08:14 > 0:08:18- To hear more about the allure - of places like Gold Hill...
0:08:18 > 0:08:21- ..Shirley has come to meet - Dr Bill Jones.
0:08:21 > 0:08:25- In the beginning, - people flocked to these places...
0:08:26 > 0:08:31- ..in the hope of finding gold easily - in streams and so on.
0:08:32 > 0:08:34- It was known as placer gold.
0:08:34 > 0:08:37- There was gold to be found - in the sand and gravel.
0:08:38 > 0:08:42- As it ran out, they had - to drill into the rock...
0:08:43 > 0:08:45- ..to extract the gold.
0:08:45 > 0:08:49- They needed money - to pay companies to mine the gold.
0:08:49 > 0:08:52- It required mining skills.
0:08:52 > 0:08:57- That's why someone like John Pugh - would have gone out there.
0:08:57 > 0:09:02- He would have developed - his mining skills in Cwmsymlog.
0:09:02 > 0:09:07- Those skills would have helped him - make his fortune out in Colorado.
0:09:09 > 0:09:13- As they used to say, they were - following the gold goddess.
0:09:13 > 0:09:15- It was an adventure.
0:09:15 > 0:09:20- They were lured by the prospect - of making a quick fortune...
0:09:20 > 0:09:23- ..and coming home as wealthy men.
0:09:23 > 0:09:27- These towns - were also very colourful.
0:09:28 > 0:09:32- The Gold Rush had created - hedonistic communities...
0:09:32 > 0:09:38- ..with drinking, gambling, - dancing and so on.
0:09:39 > 0:09:43- But on the other hand, such places - as Gold Hill and Russell Gulch...
0:09:43 > 0:09:47- ..would have had chapels - and eisteddfodau.
0:09:47 > 0:09:50- In terms of the Welsh families...
0:09:51 > 0:09:55- ..the debauched and the respectable - lived side by side...
0:09:55 > 0:10:00- ..in these brand-new towns - that sprang up overnight...
0:10:00 > 0:10:04- ..as thousands of incomers - flocked to join the Gold Rush.
0:10:06 > 0:10:10- In the 1860s, - the Pugh boys from Cwmsymlog...
0:10:10 > 0:10:15- ..were the first of Shirley's family - to join the Gold Rush in Colorado.
0:10:15 > 0:10:18- The last member - to emigrate to America...
0:10:18 > 0:10:22- ..was Shirley's great aunt, - Margaret, in the early 1900s.
0:10:23 > 0:10:27- The correspondence between Maggie - and Shirley's mother in Wales...
0:10:28 > 0:10:31- ..kept the Pugh family link alive.
0:10:31 > 0:10:34- The letters - have been treasured by Shirley.
0:10:36 > 0:10:39- "My dear Irene and all the folks.
0:10:39 > 0:10:43- "It is hard to believe - how the years roll by.
0:10:43 > 0:10:48- "I was 74 last February...
0:10:48 > 0:10:51- "..and only wish - that we were nearer...
0:10:51 > 0:10:54- "..so that we could talk - with one another...
0:10:54 > 0:10:56- "..once in a while.
0:11:00 > 0:11:02- "May the Lord richly bless you...
0:11:03 > 0:11:04- "..and your family.
0:11:04 > 0:11:08- "With affectionate love, - your Aunt Margaret."
0:11:13 > 0:11:17- I feel as if I already know - the Pughs who left for America.
0:11:18 > 0:11:22- But many more of the family - stayed in Cwmsymlog.
0:11:22 > 0:11:27- What I want to do now is fill in - the gaps in the family's story...
0:11:27 > 0:11:29- ..on this side of the Atlantic.
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0:11:45 > 0:11:48- Shirley Ellis's family - hails from the Aberystwyth area.
0:11:49 > 0:11:53- In the 1860s, the sons of her - great-great-grandfather Charles...
0:11:53 > 0:11:58- ..and brother Tudor emigrated - to Colorado to mine for gold.
0:12:00 > 0:12:04- As well as John Pugh, - who became a millionaire...
0:12:04 > 0:12:08- ..and his brother, Charles E, - many other family members...
0:12:08 > 0:12:12- ..including Shirley's great-aunt, - Maggie, emigrated to Gold Hill.
0:12:13 > 0:12:17- But Shirley knows nothing - about the Pughs who stayed in Wales.
0:12:17 > 0:12:21- She hopes Beryl Evans - will be able to fill in the blanks.
0:12:21 > 0:12:24- You'll notice - from the 1891 census...
0:12:24 > 0:12:28- ..that Charles Pugh lived with - his brother and sister in Cwmsymlog.
0:12:29 > 0:12:32- Despite being 72, Tudor - still worked as a labourer.
0:12:32 > 0:12:36- It's obvious that the family - was relatively poor at the time.
0:12:37 > 0:12:40- I'm almost certain that Tudor...
0:12:41 > 0:12:47- ..was the father of John Pugh, - who made his fortune there.
0:12:48 > 0:12:51- It's obvious that none of the money - made it over here.
0:12:52 > 0:12:55- That really surprises me.
0:12:55 > 0:13:00- Thinking about it now, - he was there...
0:13:00 > 0:13:02- ..living like a millionaire...
0:13:02 > 0:13:07- ..while his father - was so poor back home.
0:13:07 > 0:13:11- The family hasn't always been poor.
0:13:11 > 0:13:14- The tithe survey of 1840 shows us...
0:13:14 > 0:13:19- ..that Griffith Pugh - owned a lot of land in Cwmsymlog.
0:13:19 > 0:13:23- Griffith Pugh was the father - of Tudor and Charles.
0:13:23 > 0:13:26- There's a list here - of the places he owned.
0:13:26 > 0:13:29- Cae Warren, Cae Penbont...
0:13:29 > 0:13:32- ..Cwm Darren Wood, Cae Sgubor...
0:13:32 > 0:13:35- ..Cwmsymlog Isa House...
0:13:35 > 0:13:38- ..Cae Ar Y Waun, Caebach Penybont.
0:13:38 > 0:13:41- If we turn to this page, we see...
0:13:43 > 0:13:45- ..that he also owned Cwmsebon mine.
0:13:46 > 0:13:50- It comes to a total of 440 acres.
0:13:50 > 0:13:55- It's obvious from this document...
0:13:55 > 0:14:00- ..that Griffith Pugh - was a wealthy and respectable man.
0:14:00 > 0:14:03- He wasn't as respectable - as you might think.
0:14:04 > 0:14:08- He and his wife, Jane, - had five children...
0:14:08 > 0:14:11- ..before they married in 1822.
0:14:11 > 0:14:14- They had five children - after they married too.
0:14:14 > 0:14:17- So there wasn't just one - black sheep...
0:14:18 > 0:14:20- ..there were five!
0:14:21 > 0:14:23- Yes, there were five, I'm afraid.
0:14:24 > 0:14:27- That's made me think now.
0:14:27 > 0:14:32- Then I'm related to one - of the skeletons in the cupboard?
0:14:32 > 0:14:34- Yes, unfortunately.
0:14:35 > 0:14:38- But I'm sure they are - the most interesting ones.
0:14:45 > 0:14:49- Shirley's great-great-grandfather, - Charles Pugh...
0:14:49 > 0:14:52- ..was the illegitimate son - of Griffith.
0:14:52 > 0:14:56- Charles died a poor man and - was buried at Salem Coed Gruffydd...
0:14:57 > 0:14:59- ..near Cwmsymlog.
0:15:01 > 0:15:06- But Griffith wasn't the first Pugh - to father illegitimate children.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10- Many members of Shirley's family - were born out of wedlock.
0:15:15 > 0:15:18- To hear more about the miners' - unique way of life...
0:15:19 > 0:15:22- ..Shirley returns - to meet Dafydd Morris Jones.
0:15:23 > 0:15:26- Though the mining community - was close-knit...
0:15:27 > 0:15:31- ..it was also very transient, - with miners moving between mines.
0:15:31 > 0:15:35- In order to cope - with all the comings and goings...
0:15:35 > 0:15:38- ..they created - a lot of almost unique practices.
0:15:38 > 0:15:40- One of them was the small wedding.
0:15:41 > 0:15:44- I don't know - if you're familiar with that.
0:15:44 > 0:15:46- It was almost a unique tradition.
0:15:46 > 0:15:52- It allowed a man and a woman - to marry within a certain area.
0:15:52 > 0:15:56- But if the husband - then moved to another mine...
0:15:56 > 0:15:58- ..the marriage wasn't binding.
0:15:58 > 0:16:02- The woman would return - to single status...
0:16:02 > 0:16:05- ..and the man was free - to find another partner.
0:16:05 > 0:16:10- It was tolerated morally, - even if they'd had children.
0:16:10 > 0:16:14- There were many illegitimate - children within this community.
0:16:14 > 0:16:17- By moving to different mines...
0:16:17 > 0:16:21- ..a man could father - many children in different areas.
0:16:21 > 0:16:26- In a small wedding, - a couple would get married...
0:16:26 > 0:16:29- ..alongside several other couples.
0:16:29 > 0:16:31- But it wasn't official.
0:16:31 > 0:16:34- It was held - in a secular meeting place.
0:16:34 > 0:16:39- Everyone married at the same time - and paid for only one service.
0:16:39 > 0:16:42- Many local priests complained...
0:16:43 > 0:16:47- ..that they weren't getting paid - for officiating at the weddings.
0:16:47 > 0:16:51- But someone had to officiate - at the small weddings...
0:16:52 > 0:16:57- ..so if a priest was short of money, - he would officiate out of necessity.
0:16:57 > 0:17:02- The small wedding was commonplace - in the mining community.
0:17:02 > 0:17:06- It explains the many illegitimate - children in Shirley's tree.
0:17:07 > 0:17:10- Griffith Pugh - fathered five legitimate children.
0:17:11 > 0:17:14- He also fathered - five illegitimate children.
0:17:14 > 0:17:17- Shirley is a descendant - of one of them.
0:17:17 > 0:17:22- Griffith Pugh owned hundreds - of acres, as well as Cwmsebon mine.
0:17:23 > 0:17:26- But how did he get all his land - in the first place?
0:17:27 > 0:17:33- Your family's mining links - goes back beyond Griffith Pugh.
0:17:33 > 0:17:35- At least two generations.
0:17:35 > 0:17:40- His grandfather, Griffith Evans, - was an influential landowner.
0:17:40 > 0:17:45- Lead and silver - was discovered on his land.
0:17:45 > 0:17:49- But the Crown and the Pryses - of Gogerddan owned the lion's share.
0:17:50 > 0:17:53- Between the three of them, - a large area was mined.
0:17:54 > 0:17:57- In partnership with the Crown - sounds impressive.
0:17:57 > 0:18:02- He wasn't quite a partner, - but the mines bordered each other.
0:18:02 > 0:18:05- It happened purely by coincidence.
0:18:05 > 0:18:10- I'm finding out something new - every day about this family.
0:18:10 > 0:18:14- They weren't just people - who moved to America to make money.
0:18:14 > 0:18:17- They had money before they left.
0:18:17 > 0:18:20- We've found an interesting document - to show you.
0:18:21 > 0:18:22- What is it?
0:18:23 > 0:18:28- This is the will of Griffith Evans, - the grandfather of Griffith Pugh.
0:18:30 > 0:18:33- It was drawn up in 1747.
0:18:34 > 0:18:36- What's interesting - is the name at the bottom.
0:18:37 > 0:18:40- It was witnessed by Lewis Morris.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43- He was the Crown's steward - at this mine.
0:18:43 > 0:18:45- He led the survey in 1744...
0:18:46 > 0:18:49- ..of the mines and land - belonging to the Crown.
0:18:51 > 0:18:54- Lewis Morris described - this area in Cwmsymlog as...
0:18:54 > 0:18:58- .."The principal silver mine - we ever had in Great Britain."
0:18:58 > 0:19:01- He thought this land - was exceptional.
0:19:01 > 0:19:05- It's obvious that Griffith's land - was part of that.
0:19:05 > 0:19:09- The relationship between - Lewis Morris and Griffith Evans...
0:19:10 > 0:19:14- ..is interesting because Lewis - had different personas.
0:19:14 > 0:19:19- He was the Crown's steward, so he - had to safeguard its interests...
0:19:19 > 0:19:21- ..and be accountable.
0:19:21 > 0:19:24- But his friendship with Griffith - goes against that...
0:19:25 > 0:19:28- ..because he'd have helped him - to mine as much as possible.
0:19:29 > 0:19:30- The Crown's agent...
0:19:31 > 0:19:35- ..was also acting independently - with his friend.
0:19:35 > 0:19:40- He was an important man and knew - Griffith Evans well enough...
0:19:40 > 0:19:43- ..to witness the signing - of his will.
0:19:45 > 0:19:47- That's a contrast to Charles Pugh...
0:19:48 > 0:19:50- ..who died a relatively poor man...
0:19:50 > 0:19:54- ..and had to do a physical job - to earn a living.
0:19:54 > 0:19:58- Three generations earlier, - Griffith owned land...
0:19:58 > 0:20:00- ..which men mined on his behalf.
0:20:01 > 0:20:03- It's quite a contrast.
0:20:03 > 0:20:05- Yes, very interesting.
0:20:06 > 0:20:10- There's much more to the Pugh family - in Wales than I first thought.
0:20:11 > 0:20:15- I thought it was just the Pughs - in Gold Hill who were wealthy.
0:20:18 > 0:20:23- Within three generations, - the Pugh family fortune had gone.
0:20:23 > 0:20:28- Shirley's great-great-grandfather, - Charles and his brother, Tudor...
0:20:28 > 0:20:30- ..died poor men.
0:20:30 > 0:20:34- But their sons emigrated to America - and regained their fortune.
0:20:34 > 0:20:39- They built a prosperous life - for the Pughs across the pond.
0:20:39 > 0:20:42- Of all the family - who went to America...
0:20:43 > 0:20:46- ..one relative in particular - kept in touch with us.
0:20:46 > 0:20:49- My grandfather's sister, - Auntie Maggie.
0:20:50 > 0:20:53- She was the last of the family...
0:20:53 > 0:20:56- ..to leave Aberystwyth - for Gold Hill.
0:21:00 > 0:21:05- Maggie's descendants in Gold Hill - still correspond with Shirley.
0:21:06 > 0:21:09- Recently, - she received an unexpected surprise.
0:21:09 > 0:21:13- A few weeks following Mam's - 100th birthday...
0:21:14 > 0:21:17- ..the postman delivered a box.
0:21:18 > 0:21:20- We looked at it...
0:21:20 > 0:21:23- ..and saw the American stamps - on the front.
0:21:23 > 0:21:27- I remembered - Maggie's granddaughter saying...
0:21:27 > 0:21:30- ..she was going - to send me something.
0:21:30 > 0:21:33- Among Auntie Maggie's possessions...
0:21:33 > 0:21:37- ..was a book containing precious - information about the family.
0:21:38 > 0:21:40- This is some sort of diary.
0:21:40 > 0:21:42- Yes, everything is in here.
0:21:42 > 0:21:46- She kept a record - of her father's death.
0:21:49 > 0:21:51- In the back...
0:21:51 > 0:21:56- ..she has written everything - about the family.
0:21:56 > 0:22:00- Her sisters, brothers, - her father, her mother.
0:22:00 > 0:22:03- Everyone's date of birth.
0:22:03 > 0:22:06- She kept us very close to her heart.
0:22:09 > 0:22:11- Shirley Clarke.
0:22:12 > 0:22:15- She's made a note of my birthday, - my sister's...
0:22:15 > 0:22:18- ..and my mother's - in this little book.
0:22:18 > 0:22:23- Although you never met her, - you have a great fondness for her.
0:22:23 > 0:22:26- This is very important to me.
0:22:26 > 0:22:28- I keep it safe.
0:22:28 > 0:22:31- I hope whoever gets it after me - will do the same.
0:22:37 > 0:22:41- I know there are many people...
0:22:41 > 0:22:46- ..who have researched - their family tree more thoroughly...
0:22:46 > 0:22:51- ..but often, they're just names - on a screen or a sheet of paper.
0:22:52 > 0:22:56- But for me, she's a person.
0:22:56 > 0:23:00- I've always felt very close to her.
0:23:03 > 0:23:08- Relatives who have gone overseas - always capture the imagination.
0:23:09 > 0:23:13- But we sometimes forget that there - are also interesting stories...
0:23:14 > 0:23:16- ..about those who stayed behind.
0:23:17 > 0:23:21- I knew nothing of the Pughs - in Wales until now.
0:23:24 > 0:23:27- The family's history - has now been recorded...
0:23:27 > 0:23:29- ..not just for my sake...
0:23:30 > 0:23:32- ..but for Mama's sake...
0:23:32 > 0:23:35- ..and, of course, - for the next generation's.
0:23:56 > 0:23:58- S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf.
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