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0:00:22 > 0:00:23- Hello!
0:00:24 > 0:00:26- I'm in Morriston near Swansea...
0:00:26 > 0:00:30- ..to meet minister - and conjuror Eirian Wyn...
0:00:31 > 0:00:34- ..and his daughter, - opera singer Fflur Wyn.
0:00:34 > 0:00:36- Welcome to Perthyn.
0:00:39 > 0:00:44- I'm the Reverend Eirian Wyn - and I come from Brynaman.
0:00:44 > 0:00:48- I returned to the village - 25 years ago...
0:00:48 > 0:00:51- ..to live in the house - where I grew up.
0:00:54 > 0:00:56- I'm also a conjuror...
0:00:59 > 0:01:04- ..and I'm chaplain - to Swansea City AFC Academy.
0:01:11 > 0:01:14- Eirian, why did you - become a conjuror?
0:01:14 > 0:01:18- I'm not sure if I did actually - decide to become a conjuror.
0:01:18 > 0:01:20- It just seemed to happen.
0:01:21 > 0:01:25- I watched David Nixon on television - when I was a child.
0:01:26 > 0:01:28- He had a coin in his hand.
0:01:28 > 0:01:33- The camera zoomed in - really close to his hand.
0:01:33 > 0:01:36- The coin disappeared - in front of our eyes.
0:01:36 > 0:01:38- I thought, "I want to do that!"
0:01:49 > 0:01:54- In the early 1980s, Desmond Jones, - who owned a bus company...
0:01:54 > 0:01:58- ..asked me to go to Peniel - instead of him...
0:01:58 > 0:02:00- ..to put on a children's show.
0:02:01 > 0:02:02- It went really well.
0:02:03 > 0:02:05- From then on, by word of mouth...
0:02:05 > 0:02:09- ..more and more people - heard about my magic show.
0:02:09 > 0:02:12- It took off from there.
0:02:15 > 0:02:18- How did you learn the art of magic?
0:02:19 > 0:02:21- Take something like this.
0:02:22 > 0:02:25- You pick it up, - then you go like that...
0:02:26 > 0:02:28- ..and you realize it's vanished.
0:02:29 > 0:02:32- Then I remember - that it's behind your ear.
0:02:32 > 0:02:34- How did you do that?
0:02:34 > 0:02:36- If I find out, I'll let you know.
0:02:46 > 0:02:51- Did you try the magic tricks out - on Helen and Fflur?
0:02:51 > 0:02:57- Yes, but they were both - the harshest critics possible.
0:02:57 > 0:03:01- If either of them told me - something was a good trick...
0:03:01 > 0:03:04- ..I'd know - it was ready for the public.
0:03:04 > 0:03:07- If Helen said, - "Hmm, that was alright"...
0:03:07 > 0:03:10- ..I knew the trick needed more work.
0:03:10 > 0:03:13- I paid big money for one trick.
0:03:14 > 0:03:18- I worked hard on it before - showing it to Helen and Fflur.
0:03:19 > 0:03:23- I performed the trick for them - and Fflur was young at the time.
0:03:24 > 0:03:26- I did the trick and it went well.
0:03:26 > 0:03:27- I felt great.
0:03:28 > 0:03:32- Helen was impressed, but Fflur said, - "Dad, I know how you did it."
0:03:33 > 0:03:36- I thought, "Alright then, - clever dickie, come here!"
0:03:37 > 0:03:41- I told her to do it herself, - thinking she'd get it wrong...
0:03:41 > 0:03:44- ..but she performed the trick - perfectly.
0:03:44 > 0:03:47- Even professional conjurors...
0:03:47 > 0:03:50- ..need instructions - to perform this trick...
0:03:52 > 0:03:54- ..so I asked her how she'd done it.
0:03:54 > 0:03:59- She explained how she'd done it - and that was the correct method!
0:03:59 > 0:04:02- She'd worked it out all by herself.
0:04:03 > 0:04:07- Conjurors never reveal the secrets - of their tricks, do they?
0:04:07 > 0:04:11- No, because we don't know - how magic works either.
0:04:11 > 0:04:13- Really? Come on!
0:04:14 > 0:04:15- One, two...?
0:04:15 > 0:04:17- One, two...?- - Three.
0:04:17 > 0:04:19- Count them again. One, two.
0:04:19 > 0:04:21- One, two.
0:04:21 > 0:04:22- Blow.
0:04:23 > 0:04:24- How many were there?
0:04:24 > 0:04:25- How many were there?- - Two.
0:04:25 > 0:04:27- That's right.
0:04:27 > 0:04:29- You can't count! Blow again.
0:04:31 > 0:04:32- How many is that?
0:04:39 > 0:04:40- Where did they go?
0:04:45 > 0:04:48- As a child, I went to chapel - three times every Sunday.
0:04:53 > 0:04:56- I decided - that I wanted to enter the ministry.
0:04:58 > 0:05:00- I went to college in Bangor...
0:05:01 > 0:05:05- ..and I'm now minister - at Seion Newydd Chapel, Morriston.
0:05:06 > 0:05:10- Christianity is important to me - and I continue to grow in the faith.
0:05:16 > 0:05:21- I can't say I ever heard a voice - calling me to the faith...
0:05:21 > 0:05:23- ..or to become a minister...
0:05:24 > 0:05:26- ..but I have grown in the faith.
0:05:26 > 0:05:28- I think that's important.
0:05:29 > 0:05:33- Children get used to going to chapel - with their parents...
0:05:34 > 0:05:36- ..and they then grow in the faith.
0:05:36 > 0:05:41- But parents don't bring - their children to Sunday school...
0:05:41 > 0:05:43- ..or to chapel services any more.
0:05:44 > 0:05:49- Children don't get used to coming - to chapel, more's the pity.
0:05:49 > 0:05:51- What do you enjoy most - about the work?
0:05:52 > 0:05:54- Everything, to be honest.
0:05:54 > 0:05:56- I love delivering sermons...
0:05:56 > 0:06:00- ..and it's a brilliant place - for doing that.
0:06:01 > 0:06:05- It's also a great place to sing, - as Fflur has done many times.
0:06:05 > 0:06:08- She says the acoustic is excellent.
0:06:10 > 0:06:15- I love meeting people and hosting - events, especially for children.
0:06:16 > 0:06:21- I'm a firm believer in opening the - doors of God's house to atheists...
0:06:22 > 0:06:25- ..or to those - who haven't heard about Jesus.
0:06:25 > 0:06:29- Did Fflur come here - to listen to you preach?
0:06:29 > 0:06:33- Fflur first came to this chapel...
0:06:33 > 0:06:37- ..when she was around two weeks old.
0:06:39 > 0:06:44- How does Eirian Wyn - combine the sermons and the magic?
0:06:45 > 0:06:50- I'm utterly convinced that my talent - for magic is God-given.
0:06:50 > 0:06:52- I'll tell you why.
0:06:52 > 0:06:54- If it weren't for magic, - I'd be blind.
0:06:55 > 0:06:57- This is an interesting story.
0:06:57 > 0:07:01- I was putting on a show - at a boy's birthday party...
0:07:01 > 0:07:04- ..when I was 29 or 30 years old.
0:07:05 > 0:07:10- After the party, I asked his mother - for some painkillers...
0:07:10 > 0:07:12- ..because I had a headache.
0:07:12 > 0:07:17- She told me to look at a light bulb - and tell her what I could see.
0:07:17 > 0:07:21- I told her I could see - a rainbow around the bulb.
0:07:21 > 0:07:25- She replied, "I'm an optometrist. - I think you have glaucoma."
0:07:26 > 0:07:28- Older people usually have glaucoma.
0:07:29 > 0:07:32- She told me to see a specialist - and I did just that.
0:07:32 > 0:07:34- I saw a specialist at Glangwili.
0:07:35 > 0:07:38- He put drops in my eyes - and blew air into them.
0:07:38 > 0:07:42- The drops went in and he measured - the pressure in the eye.
0:07:42 > 0:07:45- He turned to me and said, - "She was right."
0:07:46 > 0:07:47- "You're a lucky man.
0:07:48 > 0:07:51- "It's so high, you could have - gone totally blind...
0:07:52 > 0:07:54- "..in a matter of days or weeks."
0:07:54 > 0:07:56- God gave me the gift of magic...
0:07:56 > 0:08:00- ..to make sure - I went to Norma Davies' house...
0:08:00 > 0:08:02- ..and discover that I had glaucoma.
0:08:03 > 0:08:05- If I weren't a conjuror, - I'd be blind.
0:08:05 > 0:08:08- I wouldn't have known - I had glaucoma.
0:08:08 > 0:08:12- I've seen a specialist - every six months since I was 30.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15- And I'm 35 now!
0:08:16 > 0:08:18- No, I'm 62.
0:08:21 > 0:08:26- After the summer, - I'll start my fourth season...
0:08:26 > 0:08:31- ..as chaplain - to Swansea City AFC Academy.
0:08:31 > 0:08:35- I take care of the boys - aged from 21 down to around ten.
0:08:35 > 0:08:40- I'm also here for the coaches - and for some of the parents.
0:08:42 > 0:08:47- I enjoy being a chaplain and seeing - the boys, as time passes...
0:08:47 > 0:08:51- ..responding more - to what I have to say.
0:08:51 > 0:08:55- I also see them grow - from boys to men.
0:08:59 > 0:09:05- I'm not here to shove Christianity - down these youngsters' throats.
0:09:05 > 0:09:11- If the boys or the coaches want to - talk about Christianity, I'm here.
0:09:11 > 0:09:15- As it happens, a few of the boys - are young Christians.
0:09:15 > 0:09:20- I chat to them from time to time - and they also come to me.
0:09:20 > 0:09:25- We talk about faith in general - and Christianity in particular.
0:09:25 > 0:09:31- This job clearly gives you - great pleasure and enjoyment.
0:09:32 > 0:09:35- Yes, it's an unbelievable pleasure.
0:09:35 > 0:09:37- Luckily, I like football.
0:09:38 > 0:09:40- No, I actually love football.
0:09:41 > 0:09:42- I love this club.
0:09:43 > 0:09:48- The badge means almost as much - as my faith to me.
0:09:48 > 0:09:51- Not quite as much, but nearly!
0:09:52 > 0:09:57- Over the years, you've got to know - many of the first team players.
0:09:57 > 0:09:58- Yes.
0:09:59 > 0:10:03- To be honest, - and I won't name names...
0:10:03 > 0:10:06- ..but I'm still in touch - with many of them.
0:10:06 > 0:10:10- If something happens or when - congratulations are in order...
0:10:10 > 0:10:14- ..I get in touch with them - and some of them text me too.
0:10:14 > 0:10:19- I've heard an interesting story that - one player named his son after you.
0:10:20 > 0:10:23- No, it wasn't a player. - It was a player's sister.
0:10:24 > 0:10:26- Angel Rangel.
0:10:27 > 0:10:33- When Roberto played for us, he knew - I spoke a little bit of Spanish.
0:10:33 > 0:10:35- I practised my Spanish on him.
0:10:36 > 0:10:38- When he returned here as manager...
0:10:39 > 0:10:43- ..he brought Spaniards and Catalans - over to play for Swansea.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46- I became good friends with Angel...
0:10:46 > 0:10:51- ..and his parents, sister - and brother-in-law.
0:10:51 > 0:10:57- A year to 18 months - after he came here...
0:10:57 > 0:11:02- ..I received a text message - from Angel's brother-in-law...
0:11:03 > 0:11:04- ..out in Catalonia.
0:11:04 > 0:11:08- He told me that Angel's sister, - Serena, had given birth to a boy...
0:11:09 > 0:11:10- ..and they'd named him...
0:11:11 > 0:11:14- ..Eirian Cruz Rangel.
0:11:14 > 0:11:16- They named him after me.
0:11:32 > 0:11:36- Join me after the break, - when I meet Fflur in London...
0:11:36 > 0:11:39- ..to talk about - her work, her life...
0:11:39 > 0:11:43- ..and her special relationship - with her father.
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0:11:59 > 0:12:00- Welcome back.
0:12:00 > 0:12:02- I've already met Eirian Wyn.
0:12:02 > 0:12:05- Now, I'm in London - to meet Fflur, his daughter.
0:12:06 > 0:12:07- She's an opera singer.
0:12:23 > 0:12:25- I've lived in London for 15 years.
0:12:25 > 0:12:28- I've been singing - since the age of three...
0:12:28 > 0:12:32- ..and I've been a professional - opera singer for 15 years.
0:12:33 > 0:12:38- I've sung the music of Bach, Handel, - Mozart and even some modern music.
0:12:38 > 0:12:42- Fflur, what sparked - your interest in singing?
0:12:43 > 0:12:45- I don't think I had much choice!
0:12:46 > 0:12:48- Mam is a musician. She was a singer.
0:12:48 > 0:12:53- I was surrounded by music - from the day I was born.
0:12:54 > 0:12:56- I sang at my father's chapel...
0:12:57 > 0:12:59- ..and I sang in school concerts.
0:13:00 > 0:13:02- I never chose to sing.
0:13:02 > 0:13:06- It's something I've always done - and something I really enjoy.
0:13:07 > 0:13:12- Opera hasn't always been - your main passion.
0:13:13 > 0:13:17- No, I started by singing folk songs - and cerdd dant in eisteddfodau.
0:13:18 > 0:13:21- I sang in my first musical - when I was 14 years old...
0:13:21 > 0:13:26- ..and I fell head over heels in love - with the world of the musicals.
0:13:26 > 0:13:29- It was my ambition for many years...
0:13:29 > 0:13:34- ..to sing in musicals like Les Mis, - Phantom or Miss Saigon.
0:13:35 > 0:13:38- As I got older, my voice changed...
0:13:38 > 0:13:41- ..and took on - a more classical quality.
0:13:42 > 0:13:45- That's when - realization dawned...
0:13:45 > 0:13:49- ..that I didn't have the right voice - for a career in the West End.
0:13:50 > 0:13:54- I now adore being an opera singer - and going to see the musicals.
0:13:54 > 0:13:57- I think I have - the best of both worlds.
0:14:08 > 0:14:12- You've been - on a very successful journey.
0:14:12 > 0:14:15- What are the highlights, so far?
0:14:16 > 0:14:21- Singing in the Royal Albert Hall - is definitely one of my highlights.
0:14:21 > 0:14:27- I was 18 at the time and I performed - in the 1,000 Voices concert.
0:14:27 > 0:14:32- My other highlights include - singing at La Monnaie in Brussels...
0:14:32 > 0:14:37- ..one of the world's most famous - opera houses and opera companies...
0:14:37 > 0:14:40- ..and performing - in the Concertgebouw, Amsterdam.
0:14:41 > 0:14:44- That was - a truly thrilling experience.
0:14:44 > 0:14:49- It's a concert hall I've heard about - since I was a child...
0:14:50 > 0:14:52- ..but I never imagined - I'd sing there.
0:14:52 > 0:14:58- Every now and then, I pinch myself - when I realize I do this as a job!
0:14:58 > 0:15:00- It's wonderful.
0:15:00 > 0:15:02- What are you doing at the moment?
0:15:03 > 0:15:06- I've just finished - a series of concerts...
0:15:06 > 0:15:10- ..with the OAE, The Orchestra - Of The Age Of Enlightenment.
0:15:10 > 0:15:13- We performed St Matthew Passion...
0:15:13 > 0:15:17- ..five times in six days - in three countries.
0:15:17 > 0:15:22- Next, I'll go to Italy to perform - Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.
0:15:22 > 0:15:28- The next big thing - I'm currently preparing for...
0:15:28 > 0:15:32- ..is to sing the lead role - in Lakme by Delibes...
0:15:32 > 0:15:35- ..for Opera Holland Park in London.
0:15:35 > 0:15:36- That's my next major job.
0:15:36 > 0:15:38- That's my next major job.- - Brilliant.
0:15:38 > 0:15:41- I'm looking forward to it - but I'm nervous too.
0:15:46 > 0:15:52- Do you see yourself - settling here, in London?
0:15:52 > 0:15:54- Yes, for a while.
0:15:55 > 0:15:57- I've settled down here now.
0:15:58 > 0:16:01- I'd love to move back - to Wales one day...
0:16:01 > 0:16:06- ..but it makes no difference where - you are, as long as you're happy.
0:16:06 > 0:16:11- I could live halfway across - the world as long as I was happy.
0:16:14 > 0:16:19- You're really close to your parents, - especially your father.
0:16:19 > 0:16:23- Yes, I'm really close to him - and I know I'm very lucky.
0:16:23 > 0:16:27- Many of my friends - aren't that close to their parents.
0:16:27 > 0:16:30- They don't count them as friends.
0:16:30 > 0:16:32- I count my parents as two friends.
0:16:33 > 0:16:37- They've always raised me - to be a mature individual.
0:16:37 > 0:16:43- They've always respected me, - which means I respect them too.
0:16:43 > 0:16:46- I think that's why we're so close.
0:16:46 > 0:16:50- Do you miss - your father's magic tricks?
0:16:50 > 0:16:52- No, I don't miss them!
0:16:52 > 0:16:55- Wherever we went - when I was a child...
0:16:56 > 0:16:59- ..if no magic was involved, - there was something wrong.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02- All my friends - asked him to do tricks.
0:17:03 > 0:17:05- I'd think, "Here we go again!"
0:17:05 > 0:17:08- He hasn't done much for a while...
0:17:08 > 0:17:11- ..but, to be fair, - he's quite good at it.
0:17:12 > 0:17:13- Don't tell him I said so!
0:17:13 > 0:17:15- Don't tell him I said so!- - Your father is full of tricks.
0:17:30 > 0:17:35- Dresses and costumes are a big part - of the life of an opera singer.
0:17:35 > 0:17:39- Was that part of the attraction - of being an opera singer?
0:17:40 > 0:17:44- I should say no, - but I'm sure it did attract me.
0:17:44 > 0:17:48- I've loved dresses - and beautiful costumes for years...
0:17:49 > 0:17:54- ..and choosing what to wear is an - enjoyable part of giving concerts.
0:17:55 > 0:18:00- How many dresses like the ones we - see here are there in your wardrobe?
0:18:01 > 0:18:04- Around 40, at the moment.
0:18:04 > 0:18:08- There may be one or two more - at my parents' house.
0:18:08 > 0:18:11- Their value varies, of course...
0:18:12 > 0:18:15- ..but there's great detail - in some of them.
0:18:15 > 0:18:20- Yes. I bought this one for a concert - at the National Eisteddfod.
0:18:20 > 0:18:24- I was singing Faure's Requiem - and a piece by Poulenc.
0:18:25 > 0:18:29- I was sharing the stage - with two men in black...
0:18:29 > 0:18:33- ..so I wanted a dress - which would make me stand out.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36- I found this dress - in a shop called Lara in London.
0:18:36 > 0:18:40- I tried it on, it fitted me - and I knew it was the one.
0:18:41 > 0:18:43- What's the story behind this one?
0:18:44 > 0:18:47- Well, it cost a fortune! - I won't say how much.
0:18:47 > 0:18:52- I was invited to sing - in a concert in Qatar...
0:18:52 > 0:18:56- ..for the Emir, - who is ostensibly the king of Qatar.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59- I had this made for me.
0:19:00 > 0:19:03- As you can see, - it's quite a small dress...
0:19:03 > 0:19:06- ..and it fits me like a glove.
0:19:07 > 0:19:12- As I stepped onto the stage, I saw - two soldiers holding AK-47 rifles...
0:19:12 > 0:19:17- ..ready to give me a body search - to make sure I wasn't armed.
0:19:17 > 0:19:21- Where did they think - I'd conceal a weapon under it?!
0:19:22 > 0:19:25- The dress on the end - is a very striking colour.
0:19:26 > 0:19:28- Yes, and it's one of my favourites.
0:19:28 > 0:19:32- Huw Fash made this dress for me.
0:19:32 > 0:19:35- The famous Huw Fash.
0:19:35 > 0:19:38- The first time - I went to him for a fitting...
0:19:38 > 0:19:42- ..he'd created a dress for me - from toile.
0:19:42 > 0:19:45- I hadn't sent him my measurements.
0:19:45 > 0:19:49- He'd made it on the off chance - to see what would it be like.
0:19:49 > 0:19:52- I tried it on - and it fitted me perfectly.
0:19:52 > 0:19:54- How many venues has this seen?
0:19:54 > 0:19:55- How many venues has this seen?- - Only one.
0:19:55 > 0:19:57- It's just a baby.
0:19:57 > 0:20:00- I sound really sad - calling a dress a baby!
0:20:00 > 0:20:02- This is a new dress.
0:20:02 > 0:20:06- The others are flung in a suitcase - to travel the world...
0:20:06 > 0:20:09- ..but I keep a few dresses - for big concerts.
0:20:10 > 0:20:11- Special ones.
0:20:15 > 0:20:19- I feel very lucky - to have my parents.
0:20:20 > 0:20:22- They gave me an amazing childhood.
0:20:24 > 0:20:29- They're not only good parents - but they're also good friends.
0:20:29 > 0:20:34- Dad and I are really close - and we've travelled abroad together.
0:20:34 > 0:20:37- It's great when he comes here - to stay with me.
0:20:39 > 0:20:43- Eirian, how often - do you visit Fflur here in London?
0:20:43 > 0:20:45- Um, well...
0:20:46 > 0:20:48- As often as I can.
0:20:49 > 0:20:52- About four times a year.
0:20:52 > 0:20:53- About four times a year.- - Something like that.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56- But only for a day or two.
0:20:57 > 0:20:59- Eirian, let's turn back the clock...
0:20:59 > 0:21:03- ..to the years - when Fflur competed in eisteddfodau.
0:21:03 > 0:21:07- Did you ever think - she'd become an opera singer?
0:21:07 > 0:21:12- I knew she'd be a performer, - of that I had no doubt.
0:21:14 > 0:21:20- I thought she'd go in the direction - of the West End, that type of thing.
0:21:21 > 0:21:26- Once she started at the Academy, - I noticed her voice changing.
0:21:26 > 0:21:30- She still competed - in eisteddfodau...
0:21:30 > 0:21:33- ..but she sang more classical songs.
0:21:34 > 0:21:37- I could see her changing...
0:21:37 > 0:21:39- ..so it didn't surprise me...
0:21:40 > 0:21:44- ..when she decided - to become an opera singer.
0:21:44 > 0:21:48- Fflur, how do you feel when you - listen to your father's sermons?
0:21:49 > 0:21:52- I sometimes struggle - to follow sermons.
0:21:52 > 0:21:56- I was brought up in the chapel - and I went to Sunday school...
0:21:57 > 0:21:58- ..but I still struggle.
0:21:58 > 0:22:00- I think it's a common problem.
0:22:01 > 0:22:05- But when Dad's giving the sermon, - I can follow every word of it.
0:22:05 > 0:22:09- Eirian and Fflur, - you're clearly very close.
0:22:10 > 0:22:13- What's the secret - behind creating a close bond...
0:22:14 > 0:22:16- ..between father and daughter?
0:22:17 > 0:22:20- Being a daughter - who can put up with a lot!
0:22:21 > 0:22:23- She got that in just before me!
0:22:24 > 0:22:26- You were quick off the mark, Fflur!
0:22:28 > 0:22:29- One word.
0:22:29 > 0:22:31- Just one word.
0:22:31 > 0:22:32- Love.
0:22:32 > 0:22:34- It's as simple as that.
0:22:34 > 0:22:38- If you love someone, - the relationship is strong.
0:22:38 > 0:22:40- We argue a lot, mind you.
0:22:40 > 0:22:41- We argue a lot, mind you.- - Yes, we do fall out.
0:22:42 > 0:22:43- We're too similar.
0:22:43 > 0:22:44- We're too similar.- - Yes, far too similar.
0:22:45 > 0:22:51- But five minutes after the argument, - it's as if nothing had happened.
0:22:51 > 0:22:53- Yes, that's true, - when we do fall out.
0:22:54 > 0:22:56- We never have huge arguments anyway.
0:22:57 > 0:22:58- Don't we?
0:22:59 > 0:23:01- I'm not so sure!
0:23:01 > 0:23:05- As you said, it's all blown over - five minutes later.
0:23:05 > 0:23:09- It's five minutes later with me, - and three days later with her!
0:23:10 > 0:23:13- Eirian and Fflur, - thank you for talking to me.
0:23:13 > 0:23:14- You're welcome.
0:23:14 > 0:23:16- You're welcome.- - Thank you very much.
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