Episode 18

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0:00:10 > 0:00:12Good afternoon and welcome to Points of View.

0:00:12 > 0:00:16It seems the highlight of this year's Remembrance programming on TV

0:00:16 > 0:00:20was Antiques Roadshow. Maybe not the programme you'd expect,

0:00:20 > 0:00:24but their poignant broadcast from the National Memorial Arboretum

0:00:24 > 0:00:27did bring home the true spirit of remembrance

0:00:27 > 0:00:30and touched more viewers than any other tribute.

0:00:48 > 0:00:51Well, let's remind ourselves of what was clearly a memorable edition

0:00:51 > 0:00:53of an old favourite.

0:00:53 > 0:00:58At the end of the war, you ended up in the infamous Belsen camp,

0:00:58 > 0:01:01where so many, many people died.

0:01:01 > 0:01:05It was the last moment, the sort of line between life and death

0:01:05 > 0:01:07when you feel you're going,

0:01:07 > 0:01:11and then the member of the British Army appeared.

0:01:11 > 0:01:15- And he saved my life.- Tell me about that - what happened?- He was a human.

0:01:15 > 0:01:20He said, "All right. Stay here and in the morning I'll pick you up."

0:01:20 > 0:01:23And I believed him, and he did come.

0:01:23 > 0:01:28He put me in a sheet, pushed me between four stretchers

0:01:28 > 0:01:32in a military ambulance, and off we went.

0:01:32 > 0:01:38And all I had was my naked life and the ring on the string on my neck.

0:01:38 > 0:01:41That was all I had. And he saved my life.

0:01:41 > 0:01:46And I never had a chance to say thank you, because he disappeared.

0:01:46 > 0:01:49And after the war I lived in Australia,

0:01:49 > 0:01:51there was no chance looking for him.

0:01:51 > 0:01:55And at least, at this opportunity, I would like to say thank you.

0:01:55 > 0:01:57Wherever he is.

0:01:57 > 0:01:59A fitting tribute indeed.

0:01:59 > 0:02:03Moving on. Actually, that's the name of the daytime drama

0:02:03 > 0:02:05that charts the progress of individuals

0:02:05 > 0:02:07going through huge life changes.

0:02:07 > 0:02:10Now, in previous series you've praised the calibre of the acting

0:02:10 > 0:02:14and the scripts, and offered the ultimate, if slightly double-edged compliment,

0:02:14 > 0:02:19saying "It is too good for daytime." Well, it's back on...daytime.

0:02:19 > 0:02:22I can think of plenty of people who'd kill to be in your shoes.

0:02:22 > 0:02:25You've got your freedom, you can go out whenever you like,

0:02:25 > 0:02:29you can lie in at weekends. Couple of holidays a year.

0:02:29 > 0:02:33Do you really want to trade all that in for sleepless nights,

0:02:33 > 0:02:38all your money spent on nappies, CBeebies all day, every day?

0:02:38 > 0:02:42- Baby puke down your beautiful cape? - All right, all right.

0:03:07 > 0:03:10So, a hung jury. And let's stay in the courtroom.

0:03:10 > 0:03:12Garrow's Law is back on Sunday nights,

0:03:12 > 0:03:15the drama based loosely on historical accounts

0:03:15 > 0:03:19of one of the earliest practitioners of modern justice in Britain.

0:03:19 > 0:03:23You try to recall, for your husband's sake.

0:03:24 > 0:03:28- I will not send him to the gallows here.- Why not?

0:03:28 > 0:03:30You must simply speak the truth.

0:03:30 > 0:03:34The night before he took the pistol to the theatre,

0:03:34 > 0:03:36I knew what he had in mind to do.

0:03:38 > 0:03:42And begged him to think of our son.

0:03:42 > 0:03:44Of the duty he had to him.

0:03:47 > 0:03:53I was holding our infant in my arms, and suddenly...

0:03:56 > 0:04:01..my husband dragged the child from my arms.

0:04:22 > 0:04:26Two returning dramas, and both are described as "samey"

0:04:26 > 0:04:27or "predictable".

0:04:27 > 0:04:30Are we to read from this that winning formulas

0:04:30 > 0:04:31should be abandoned?

0:04:31 > 0:04:33The Apprentice seems to be a winning formula.

0:04:33 > 0:04:36It has spawned the current Young Apprentice.

0:04:36 > 0:04:39Lord Sugar's challenges usually reduce the teenage contestants

0:04:39 > 0:04:42to confusion and stress by the end of an episode,

0:04:42 > 0:04:46but he managed to achieve that with viewers too this week.

0:04:59 > 0:05:01The good news is, this is not all about profit.

0:05:01 > 0:05:04Your job is to sell as much as possible,

0:05:04 > 0:05:08so you'll be judged on sales volume. OK?

0:05:08 > 0:05:11And Karren, let's have it for the MiniVac.

0:05:11 > 0:05:16MiniVac total sales, £808.79.

0:05:16 > 0:05:18I think we can say the MiniVac cleaned up.

0:05:18 > 0:05:23Making a total of £1,138.77 for the day.

0:05:35 > 0:05:37Clarification coming up, David.

0:05:57 > 0:06:01Now, to a viewer who'd like to see a return to 3D TV.

0:06:01 > 0:06:04Yes, I did say a return to a format that's only just appearing

0:06:04 > 0:06:07at the most futuristic of technology fairs.

0:06:07 > 0:06:09But perhaps multi-layering of pictures to give

0:06:09 > 0:06:12the impression that you're in amongst the action

0:06:12 > 0:06:17is actually not quite the kind of 3D that Lesley Westlake has in mind.

0:06:17 > 0:06:18Have a look at this.

0:06:27 > 0:06:29It is the three Davids she wants!

0:06:29 > 0:06:32With two knighthoods and 150 years of broadcasting experience

0:06:32 > 0:06:36between them, they are widely regarded as being responsible

0:06:36 > 0:06:39for how we perceive television over the years.

0:06:39 > 0:06:42Their presenting blueprint has surely been passed

0:06:42 > 0:06:45like a golden baton to the next generation.

0:06:46 > 0:06:50If I turn on the television to watch something,

0:06:50 > 0:06:52I want to see that programme.

0:06:52 > 0:06:58I don't want to see the presenter presenting him or herself.

0:06:58 > 0:07:01Kate Humble really annoyed me.

0:07:01 > 0:07:06She will go on and on throwing herself around.

0:07:06 > 0:07:09She attracts your attention

0:07:09 > 0:07:12and takes your mind away from the programme.

0:07:12 > 0:07:16I don't think Kate Humble is the only one.

0:07:37 > 0:07:39'It's Zoe Ball!'

0:07:39 > 0:07:43CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:07:43 > 0:07:47Ole! Hello and welcome to It Takes Two.

0:07:47 > 0:07:50So it is more a case of the young pretenders, not presenters,

0:07:50 > 0:07:51for Lesley.

0:07:51 > 0:07:55She hankers for the clear, precise style of one David in particular.

0:07:55 > 0:07:58I think David Attenborough is absolutely splendid.

0:07:58 > 0:08:04He wants you to see and understand what he's presenting.

0:08:04 > 0:08:10He never obtrudes on it, he just shows you gently, and you see it all

0:08:10 > 0:08:15and you take it all in, and that is what a presenter should do.

0:08:15 > 0:08:19And whilst we're praising the authority of more mature presenters...

0:08:32 > 0:08:36Here, union leaders have dismissed as "daft" a suggestion by

0:08:36 > 0:08:38a government minister that public sector workers

0:08:38 > 0:08:42in England and Wales planning to strike over pension changes

0:08:42 > 0:08:44should walk out for just 15 minutes.

0:08:44 > 0:08:48And Julia will be joining Gloria Hunniford and Angela Rippon

0:08:48 > 0:08:51to present the consumer show Rip-Off Britain next week.

0:08:51 > 0:08:53Now, Life's Too Short.

0:08:53 > 0:08:57Rarely has a programme received so much publicity prior to broadcast.

0:08:57 > 0:09:00Actually, I say that, but most things involving Ricky Gervais

0:09:00 > 0:09:03seem to trigger lively debate on our messageboard.

0:09:03 > 0:09:05I'll offer a taster of the programme,

0:09:05 > 0:09:07in the knowledge you may have tasted it already.

0:09:07 > 0:09:13- Have you met before? Johnny, this is Stephen.- Hello.- No.- And Ricky there.

0:09:13 > 0:09:17- I actually remember him from the Golden Globes.- Hi.- Yeah.

0:09:17 > 0:09:19- How's it going?- I'm fine, man.

0:09:19 > 0:09:22Just doing another film that's going to make loads of money.

0:09:22 > 0:09:28- Probably a lot more money than any film you've ever made.- Good.

0:09:28 > 0:09:30If you give a programme that much publicity,

0:09:30 > 0:09:33you can get a reaction before it's broadcast.

0:09:33 > 0:09:36So from our messageboards, the following...

0:09:47 > 0:09:50And once the show had been broadcast?

0:10:04 > 0:10:07If you would like to join the discussion on the messageboard

0:10:07 > 0:10:09before, during or after programmes,

0:10:09 > 0:10:12just log on to this address

0:10:12 > 0:10:14and follow the link.

0:10:14 > 0:10:16It doesn't have to be about cookery,

0:10:16 > 0:10:19but if you believe Sue Richmond, there is nothing else on!

0:10:35 > 0:10:38Ah, Sue, you won't want to listen to this, then.

0:10:39 > 0:10:43Vegetarian cooking first began to influence the meat-and-veg brigade

0:10:43 > 0:10:47in Britain in the late 1960s.

0:10:47 > 0:10:49With the BBC slow to catch on during the '70s,

0:10:49 > 0:10:52a dedicated programme didn't appear

0:10:52 > 0:10:56until this effort hit the airwaves, and microwaves, in the early '80s.

0:10:56 > 0:11:00Hello. Today I'm going to show you how to make wholewheat pastry.

0:11:00 > 0:11:02And it's really worthwhile using wholewheat flour

0:11:02 > 0:11:04to make your pastry.

0:11:04 > 0:11:06It's not only a lot tastier,

0:11:06 > 0:11:08but it's a very good source of protein and fibre,

0:11:08 > 0:11:11and that's important when you're on a vegetarian diet.

0:11:11 > 0:11:16So why hasn't vegetarian cooking been on the menu in recent years?

0:11:16 > 0:11:20I'm a vegetarian. I've been a vegetarian since 1979.

0:11:20 > 0:11:21And I just would like to know,

0:11:21 > 0:11:25where are the vegetarian cookery programmes on the BBC?

0:11:25 > 0:11:29There are apparently between 7 and 11% of people in this country

0:11:29 > 0:11:34who are vegetarians and vegans, but there are a further 23% of people in this country

0:11:34 > 0:11:39who are termed as "meat reducers" or "meat avoiders".

0:11:39 > 0:11:41So that's a total of 34%.

0:11:41 > 0:11:43- Do you think it's vegetable-based? - Yes, yes it is.

0:11:43 > 0:11:46You're just saying that to shut me up, aren't you?

0:11:46 > 0:11:48It is! I've been told in my ear it's a bacteria.

0:11:48 > 0:11:52Although there are the odd vegetarian recipes,

0:11:52 > 0:11:54they're more of a token, really,

0:11:54 > 0:11:59and I don't feel that they have credibility for me as a vegetarian.

0:11:59 > 0:12:04They're in amongst masses of meat and fish and saturated fat,

0:12:04 > 0:12:06and quite frankly I don't want that.

0:12:06 > 0:12:10But aren't vegetarian recipes overly complicated

0:12:10 > 0:12:11and don't they take an age to cook?

0:12:11 > 0:12:13This is rubbish.

0:12:13 > 0:12:15Any vegetarian, and any vegetarian chef,

0:12:15 > 0:12:19would tell you that actually, it's generally a lot quicker.

0:12:19 > 0:12:22After all, one hasn't got the worry of having to cook meat.

0:12:22 > 0:12:24So please, BBC,

0:12:24 > 0:12:27couldn't we have a vegetarian cookery programme

0:12:27 > 0:12:31that was actually run preferably by a chef that was a vegetarian

0:12:31 > 0:12:32or vegan themselves?

0:12:35 > 0:12:39Now, even as a former political correspondent, I sometimes struggle

0:12:39 > 0:12:42to recall the names of world leaders. I guess we all do.

0:12:42 > 0:12:46But this moment, in a newspaper review, was a collector's item.

0:12:58 > 0:13:01We may not know who Reggie Love is, but Reggie Love

0:13:01 > 0:13:04is President Clinton's...what they call the "body man".

0:13:04 > 0:13:07He's very close to him, he becomes his personal friend.

0:13:07 > 0:13:11The significance of Reggie Love is he also made the President very cool,

0:13:11 > 0:13:13because this is a young, hip guy.

0:13:13 > 0:13:17He introduced him to rap music, he played basketball with him.

0:13:17 > 0:13:19There's great pictures of Clinton.

0:13:19 > 0:13:23Those sort of things, in America, go a long way to help you get voted in.

0:13:23 > 0:13:25And no-one corrected him either!

0:13:25 > 0:13:28If you spot any howlers or feel our attention should be drawn

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0:13:52 > 0:13:55We're on BBC Two next week as the Brazilian Grand Prix

0:13:55 > 0:13:57has forced us off the tracks.

0:13:57 > 0:13:58We'll see you then. Goodbye!

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