0:00:10 > 0:00:14Good afternoon and welcome to a new series of Points Of View,
0:00:14 > 0:00:17the programme that gives you, the viewer, a voice,
0:00:17 > 0:00:21and you have been using it loud and clear to give us your thoughts on The Voice.
0:00:49 > 0:00:53CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:01:04 > 0:01:06Well, The Voice is the new kid on the block
0:01:06 > 0:01:08so can it take on the older gang?
0:01:08 > 0:01:12For eight series, The Apprentice has been doing its thing.
0:01:12 > 0:01:15Eight seasons in which we've wondered if it is starting to wear thin.
0:01:15 > 0:01:17Well, is it?
0:01:41 > 0:01:45Katie, I'm afraid to say that...
0:01:45 > 0:01:50having been in this position a third time, I'm not convinced.
0:01:50 > 0:01:52And, so, Katie, you're fired.
0:02:02 > 0:02:04Some may be drifting away,
0:02:04 > 0:02:08but, as Elvis once said, 6.6 million fans can't be wrong.
0:02:08 > 0:02:13And these shows are unashamedly fronted by that peculiar class of people known as celebs,
0:02:13 > 0:02:17a category which can take you all the way from a businessman,
0:02:17 > 0:02:20Lord Sugar, to a pop star, Jessie J.
0:02:20 > 0:02:22And they are the people we want to watch, aren't they?
0:02:22 > 0:02:25Frasier? Aren't they?
0:02:25 > 0:02:27There's enough people out there now
0:02:27 > 0:02:29to be put off by a celebrity fronting a programme,
0:02:29 > 0:02:31irrespective of who it might be.
0:02:31 > 0:02:32Big smile, Nat.
0:02:32 > 0:02:36I stopped trying for a quick fix and it worked.
0:02:36 > 0:02:38'I'm making four long journeys
0:02:38 > 0:02:41'across the length and breadth of the country...'
0:02:41 > 0:02:44Oh, no. I'm just doing this isn't helping?
0:02:44 > 0:02:49I think there's always a danger with a celebrity fronting it,
0:02:49 > 0:02:51some of the programme becomes about them, the celebrity,
0:02:51 > 0:02:53rather than the wider issues
0:02:53 > 0:02:56that they are seeking to broadcast to the viewer.
0:02:56 > 0:02:59'But find an expert and you've got a prize catch.'
0:02:59 > 0:03:02In terms of The Fishermen's Apprentice,
0:03:02 > 0:03:04Monty Halls' approach was good.
0:03:04 > 0:03:08He got the balance right. He took you along, but he didn't overbear.
0:03:08 > 0:03:10I'm told...
0:03:10 > 0:03:12I'm told I'm being a total lightweight.
0:03:12 > 0:03:16It enabled you to get a real feel for the issue around fishing in inshore waters,
0:03:16 > 0:03:19but also the real people that are involved,
0:03:19 > 0:03:21so it was a really good programme.
0:03:21 > 0:03:23Well, first off, thank you very much.
0:03:23 > 0:03:26It's always lovely to get positive feedback.
0:03:26 > 0:03:30And I do think there are certain experiences that have to be wholly immersive.
0:03:30 > 0:03:34And you do need that little bit of background knowledge before you enter that environment,
0:03:34 > 0:03:37and working with the fishing fleets was one of them.
0:03:37 > 0:03:41They're one of the few sharks that can bite their own tail.
0:03:41 > 0:03:44Look at that, the power!
0:03:44 > 0:03:46I think the absolute key to good presenting
0:03:46 > 0:03:51is making the story about the people you're talking to
0:03:51 > 0:03:53and the environment that you're living and working in.
0:03:53 > 0:03:56Shouldn't be about the presenter.
0:03:58 > 0:03:59It's a tricky time.
0:03:59 > 0:04:02And it's going to be for another few more years yet.
0:04:02 > 0:04:06I think you do need a level of expertise, depending on the subject.
0:04:06 > 0:04:08I think it's a responsible way of making television,
0:04:08 > 0:04:11because you have an informed opinion
0:04:11 > 0:04:14and often presenting is all about opinions.
0:04:14 > 0:04:15And Frasier's opinion.
0:04:15 > 0:04:20I really do hope that this approach is one that we can see more of,
0:04:20 > 0:04:22going forward.
0:04:23 > 0:04:28Not only has he been creating the blueprint for how presenters should lead programmes in future,
0:04:28 > 0:04:31but Monty Halls was also proving he can be quite rufty tufty on the side,
0:04:31 > 0:04:35hauling tonnes of fish on the roughest high seas.
0:04:35 > 0:04:38And he has been joined in these manly adventurous pursuits
0:04:38 > 0:04:42by an entire Scout troop of presenters on BBC Two
0:04:42 > 0:04:45on Sunday nights, kicking off with Patrol Leader, Simon Reeve,
0:04:45 > 0:04:48who's tackling the Indian Ocean.
0:04:48 > 0:04:49Hold on!
0:04:53 > 0:04:55There's something there.
0:04:55 > 0:04:57Right-hand side, you see it?
0:04:58 > 0:05:01On the starboard bow!
0:05:01 > 0:05:03Straight-ahead.
0:05:03 > 0:05:08Going very fast so they won't be able to get away.
0:05:33 > 0:05:34The travelogue is dead
0:05:34 > 0:05:37because we're all able to go on the journeys ourselves.
0:05:37 > 0:05:38Intriguing thought.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41And clearly not one anyone has run past Ewan McGregor,
0:05:41 > 0:05:45the Man On A Mission, just one hour later.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48Now a man who's found that gauche and gangly
0:05:48 > 0:05:51opens more doors for him than muscle and masculinity,
0:05:51 > 0:05:53Louis Theroux is back.
0:05:53 > 0:05:56This time he's looking at the USA's dementia care capital,
0:05:56 > 0:05:58Phoenix, Arizona.
0:05:58 > 0:06:02He was looking quite tenderly at love between the patients.
0:06:02 > 0:06:04Are you sentimental?
0:06:04 > 0:06:06Is there a sentimental part of you that is still attached?
0:06:08 > 0:06:11There's just sadness. No, no sentimental.
0:06:11 > 0:06:13It's just sadness.
0:06:13 > 0:06:17I probably feel it less than I did...um...
0:06:17 > 0:06:20Every day gets easier and better.
0:06:39 > 0:06:42As we all get older, we must expect to see more care homes on TV.
0:06:42 > 0:06:47The Panorama team returned to them to look at the abuse of old people.
0:06:47 > 0:06:49Last year, you'll remember, its undercover investigation
0:06:49 > 0:06:52into the mistreatment of frail residents
0:06:52 > 0:06:54led to arrests and home closures.
0:06:54 > 0:06:59This time, a viewer rigged a camera in her mother's bedroom
0:06:59 > 0:07:01and captured the evidence herself.
0:07:01 > 0:07:03All of that yanking and chucking...
0:07:03 > 0:07:05- It's as though she's cattle or something.- Yeah.
0:07:05 > 0:07:08It's like you see farmers doing that... oh, gosh.
0:07:08 > 0:07:13They should be putting a sheet under Maria to move her, not yanking her.
0:07:13 > 0:07:17Specially designed slip sheets were in Maria's bedroom.
0:07:17 > 0:07:23Now, you see, all these things, like where I saw the bruises,
0:07:23 > 0:07:25now makes sense.
0:07:53 > 0:07:55Shocking undercover footage there
0:07:55 > 0:07:59and, of course, it's that kind of filming which has proved necessary in the past
0:07:59 > 0:08:01to bring perpetrators to justice.
0:08:01 > 0:08:04But it is the gratuitous shock tactics of the current series
0:08:04 > 0:08:10of Silent Witness that is putting off even diehard fans.
0:08:47 > 0:08:50Did you know that Rachel had a bullet lodged in her spine
0:08:50 > 0:08:52from her days with the Military Police?
0:08:53 > 0:08:55Yes, she told me.
0:08:57 > 0:09:00So, you knew that she lived with the spectre of sudden death
0:09:00 > 0:09:03every minute of her day?
0:09:03 > 0:09:07If you were hoping for gore there, sorry, Sunday teatime and all that.
0:09:07 > 0:09:09I thought I would spare us.
0:09:09 > 0:09:11Now, there's more drama with The Syndicate.
0:09:11 > 0:09:15No dead bodies with a romp about shop girls winning the lottery,
0:09:15 > 0:09:18but there has been a darker side, too.
0:09:18 > 0:09:21- Why didn't you say something before? - Because nobody asked!
0:09:21 > 0:09:23Look, all I came for was to tell you
0:09:23 > 0:09:27that Andy from the lottery's been in touch because they want us to do some
0:09:27 > 0:09:31sort of an interview about how our lives have changed since we won.
0:09:31 > 0:09:33- What, for the telly?- I don't know,
0:09:33 > 0:09:35but I thought we should all discuss it
0:09:35 > 0:09:39cos I didn't know if you'd want to do it after everything that's happened.
0:09:59 > 0:10:03But viewer Nichola Abrehart has another bone to pick with The Syndicate.
0:10:03 > 0:10:04It's one of many dramas recently
0:10:04 > 0:10:07to have a smokescreen clouding the plot.
0:10:07 > 0:10:10Why does the BBC show so many smokers on their dramas?
0:10:10 > 0:10:13I gave up for 18 months before I moved up here.
0:10:15 > 0:10:17I've not had a rollie since I was 18.
0:10:21 > 0:10:26I can't think of many BBC dramas where smoking isn't portrayed.
0:10:26 > 0:10:30- Here's Proverbs, 1:7.- Get away.
0:10:30 > 0:10:34Programs such as Eastenders, The Syndicate.
0:10:34 > 0:10:37He's still down there, but I never hear from him, thank God.
0:10:37 > 0:10:42- Don't he want to see his daughter? - I don't know, and I don't care.
0:10:42 > 0:10:44- Prisoners' Wives. - That is absolutely...
0:10:44 > 0:10:47- Fantastic!- Disgusting!
0:10:49 > 0:10:54- And Gavin And Stacey. - I want one final smoke as a single woman. Dad?
0:10:54 > 0:10:56Aye, go on then.
0:10:56 > 0:11:01- Vic?- Well, if we've got a couple of minutes, why not.
0:11:01 > 0:11:05Scenes where a character is shown pondering
0:11:05 > 0:11:08with a cigarette are simply vile to watch.
0:11:14 > 0:11:18I do find myself switching off, especially serial dramas.
0:11:18 > 0:11:21I don't feel as if it's adding to the storyline.
0:11:21 > 0:11:26I don't feel as if it's necessary, and it's promoting a damaging habit.
0:11:28 > 0:11:30Oh, it is disgusting!
0:11:32 > 0:11:34I'd like to know how the BBC can justify
0:11:34 > 0:11:38showing so many smokers in their programmes.
0:11:51 > 0:11:54Nichola thinks the BBC should stub it out.
0:11:54 > 0:11:58It's about time the BBC started to take responsibility
0:11:58 > 0:12:00for the programmes that it shows.
0:12:00 > 0:12:03To portray a healthier nation,
0:12:03 > 0:12:08to portray that we are not a nation of...um...smokers.
0:12:10 > 0:12:14Let us talk now about a former Sunday afternoon viewing mate of ours,
0:12:14 > 0:12:16the dependable EastEnders Omnibus.
0:12:16 > 0:12:19Dependable? Well, it has suffered the indignity
0:12:19 > 0:12:22of being bounced around the schedules.
0:12:22 > 0:12:23It happens to us, too.
0:12:23 > 0:12:27But, recently, it's been even less dependable because it has disappeared.
0:12:47 > 0:12:50So, schedulers, own up! Show us that hat of yours.
0:13:08 > 0:13:11You know, one day, we will get an answer to something
0:13:11 > 0:13:13that doesn't involve the word iPlayer. One day.
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