0:00:10 > 0:00:13Good afternoon and welcome to Points Of View.
0:00:13 > 0:00:17Our postbag is frequently full of complaints that the BBC is
0:00:17 > 0:00:19too London and south-east centric,
0:00:19 > 0:00:22so you would think BBC Breakfast's recent move
0:00:22 > 0:00:24north of the Watford Gap would be welcomed
0:00:24 > 0:00:26as a step in the right direction.
0:00:26 > 0:00:27But you'd be wrong.
0:00:44 > 0:00:48I've been watching BBC Breakfast ever since it first started.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51It's a really excellent news programme.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53There's lots of topical things on it,
0:00:53 > 0:00:56the broadcasters are really good,
0:00:56 > 0:00:58there's lots of variety.
0:00:58 > 0:01:01You can pick up what's going on around the world
0:01:01 > 0:01:03and in the country, very easily
0:01:03 > 0:01:06and you can leave the house in the morning, briefed on what's going on.
0:01:06 > 0:01:10As soon as the programme moved to Salford, I noticed a change.
0:01:10 > 0:01:14Day one, it was not the programme that it used to be.
0:01:14 > 0:01:15The quality of the guests
0:01:15 > 0:01:18just plunged through the floor straight away.
0:01:18 > 0:01:22The presenters looked uncomfortable, the set looked wrong,
0:01:22 > 0:01:26and altogether, it was a drastic and appalling move.
0:01:26 > 0:01:30They just seem to have yesterday's pop groups on.
0:01:30 > 0:01:33Our next guest was a pioneer of electronic music
0:01:33 > 0:01:36back in the '70s and '80s and he hasn't stopped experimenting...
0:01:36 > 0:01:40The '80s synth pop band, Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark...
0:01:40 > 0:01:41..lead singer of the '80s band
0:01:41 > 0:01:45which clocked up more than 36 million album sales worldwide.
0:01:45 > 0:01:48I think, at the moment, people are switching off in droves.
0:01:48 > 0:01:50It's very, very sad.
0:01:50 > 0:01:53Come on, BBC Do something about it!
0:01:54 > 0:01:56Anyone for a cup of tea?
0:01:56 > 0:01:57Perhaps Adam Bullimore,
0:01:57 > 0:02:01the programme's Deputy Editor, can sweeten things a bit.
0:02:01 > 0:02:05Moving three hours of live BBC1 output to Salford
0:02:05 > 0:02:08has been pretty challenging,
0:02:08 > 0:02:11both technically and editorially.
0:02:11 > 0:02:15I think we're still finding our feet and trying out new things,
0:02:15 > 0:02:19but the fundamental agenda of the programme hasn't changed.
0:02:19 > 0:02:22But we have got a new studio space and we're looking to make
0:02:22 > 0:02:24the most of it, so we've got a performance area now,
0:02:24 > 0:02:28and we're making a bit of use of that.
0:02:28 > 0:02:33I think there was a lot of scrutiny around the celebrity guests,
0:02:33 > 0:02:37but fundamentally, I think Breakfast is the same as it was
0:02:37 > 0:02:39when it was in London.
0:02:41 > 0:02:43I think Breakfast is a mix,
0:02:43 > 0:02:47but the core ingredient will always be news.
0:02:47 > 0:02:52That's where our hearts are and in the end,
0:02:52 > 0:02:55it's big news stories which drive our audiences,
0:02:55 > 0:02:57which get the big audiences,
0:02:57 > 0:03:00it's not the interviews with the Hollywood stars.
0:03:00 > 0:03:05I think that Breakfast will always be that way.
0:03:05 > 0:03:09Breakfast in Salford proving a little difficult to swallow, there.
0:03:09 > 0:03:12But one Mancunian proving to be a huge hit
0:03:12 > 0:03:14is the actress, Maxine Peake.
0:03:14 > 0:03:17She plays the hard-bitten, tell-it-like-it-is barrister,
0:03:17 > 0:03:20Martha Costello who won silk in the last series
0:03:20 > 0:03:23and returned, promoted, to the Bar this week.
0:03:23 > 0:03:26Has she swung the viewer's jury again?
0:03:26 > 0:03:28Juries tell us, the lawyers,
0:03:28 > 0:03:32about the space between the rules.
0:03:32 > 0:03:36And that space is occupied
0:03:36 > 0:03:38by commonsense
0:03:38 > 0:03:40and humanity.
0:04:11 > 0:04:15As a woman QC, Martha is certainly in a minority
0:04:15 > 0:04:19and female leads are apparently in a minority on children's TV,
0:04:19 > 0:04:22if one viewer's research is anything to go by.
0:04:22 > 0:04:25Mother-of-two, Sarah Woodburn, has been keeping a keen eye
0:04:25 > 0:04:28on the BBC's preschool channel, CBeebies,
0:04:28 > 0:04:31and she's noticed something that she doesn't like.
0:04:31 > 0:04:35I'm a reviewer of CBeebies because I have two young children
0:04:35 > 0:04:38and I like to be able to leave them to watch something,
0:04:38 > 0:04:41safe in the knowledge they're not going to see any damaging content.
0:04:41 > 0:04:43I've begun to notice that there seems to be
0:04:43 > 0:04:47more male lead presenters and characters, than there are female.
0:04:47 > 0:04:48'Allo.
0:04:48 > 0:04:51# With Mike The Knight. #
0:04:54 > 0:04:56# Tree-Fu Tom. #
0:04:56 > 0:04:59I counted up how many are scheduled across the day
0:04:59 > 0:05:03and what I found was that there are three times as many male leads
0:05:03 > 0:05:05compared with female leads.
0:05:05 > 0:05:06# Postman Pat... #
0:05:06 > 0:05:08It's Mr Tumble!
0:05:08 > 0:05:11# Bob The Builder. #
0:05:11 > 0:05:12On CBeebies, we're very aware of
0:05:12 > 0:05:15the importance of providing strong role models
0:05:15 > 0:05:18for all our audience, whether they're boys or girls.
0:05:18 > 0:05:21I think the perceived wisdom used to be that boys
0:05:21 > 0:05:24wouldn't watch female leads, but we know from the research
0:05:24 > 0:05:26we've done recently, that just as many boys will watch
0:05:26 > 0:05:30a show like Everything's Rosy, or Nina And The Neurons, as the girls will.
0:05:30 > 0:05:34However, maybe we have missed a trick by not naming
0:05:34 > 0:05:36some of our programmes after the female leads.
0:05:36 > 0:05:37BRAKES SCREECH
0:05:37 > 0:05:39We have missed a trick...
0:05:39 > 0:05:41You've hit a nerve, Sarah.
0:05:41 > 0:05:42I think it's something we are looking at
0:05:42 > 0:05:46and questioning all the time, so later this year,
0:05:46 > 0:05:48we're launching a new animation called Tilly And Friends
0:05:48 > 0:05:52and I've got a really great slate of development going at the moment
0:05:52 > 0:05:55and I think we can safely say there'll be some female leads
0:05:55 > 0:05:56coming within the next year.
0:05:56 > 0:05:59What I also noticed was that female leads
0:05:59 > 0:06:01tend to be in stereotypical female roles,
0:06:01 > 0:06:04such as cooking and looking after children.
0:06:04 > 0:06:06Although there are some exceptions,
0:06:06 > 0:06:09such as Nina and the Neurons and Mighty-Mites.
0:06:09 > 0:06:12Hello. Nice to see you.
0:06:12 > 0:06:15The reason that Katie Ashworth presents I Can Cook
0:06:15 > 0:06:18is because she was the best person for the job when she auditioned.
0:06:18 > 0:06:21- KNOCK ON DOOR - A-ha! Come in!
0:06:21 > 0:06:23It is important to make sure we choose the right person.
0:06:23 > 0:06:27I can honestly say I have never made a decision based on gender.
0:06:27 > 0:06:29It is about the right person to present the programme,
0:06:29 > 0:06:34whether they've a passion about the subject or engage with the audience.
0:06:34 > 0:06:38I would like CBeebies to commission more programmes
0:06:38 > 0:06:41with strong female lead characters.
0:06:41 > 0:06:44I would like them to include a developmental psychologist
0:06:44 > 0:06:48or educational psychologist on their panel of experts.
0:06:48 > 0:06:50We work with a wide range of child experts,
0:06:50 > 0:06:52whether they be psychologists,
0:06:52 > 0:06:55child practitioners, health experts, or movement specialists.
0:06:55 > 0:06:58We don't always list their names everywhere
0:06:58 > 0:07:01but be assured we work with people who really understand children.
0:07:01 > 0:07:05A careful eye being kept on the influences of television
0:07:05 > 0:07:08for preschool children, understandably so.
0:07:08 > 0:07:10By 16 some youngsters have fallen victim
0:07:10 > 0:07:13to far more sinister influences,
0:07:13 > 0:07:14with horrific consequences.
0:07:14 > 0:07:17This week BBC Three tracked the court case
0:07:17 > 0:07:19of the 16-year-old killer.
0:07:19 > 0:07:22The documentary followed a young prostitute who after a life in care
0:07:22 > 0:07:26and on drink and drugs, stood accused of murdering a client.
0:07:26 > 0:07:32Having a newborn, when I was a child myself, I could not handle it.
0:07:32 > 0:07:35So I would escape to the bottle.
0:07:35 > 0:07:37I drank for about...
0:07:40 > 0:07:42..eight months of her life.
0:07:42 > 0:07:45And the eighth month,
0:07:45 > 0:07:48that is when I was introduced to crack cocaine.
0:07:58 > 0:08:02The shocking history of Cyntoia Brown.
0:08:02 > 0:08:04Someone with a far more idyllic childhood
0:08:04 > 0:08:06is the actress Felicity Kendal,
0:08:06 > 0:08:09who spent her formative years with the touring theatre company
0:08:09 > 0:08:13run by her parents in India, putting on Shakespeare plays.
0:08:13 > 0:08:15She brought her personal knowledge to bear
0:08:15 > 0:08:18on BBC Two's Indian Shakespeare Quest.
0:08:18 > 0:08:21We have had much talk in this series
0:08:21 > 0:08:23about the advantages of expert-led programming
0:08:23 > 0:08:25over celebrity fronted shows.
0:08:25 > 0:08:31But hang on. Where is Felicity in that spectrum? Celeb or expert?
0:08:31 > 0:08:35I don't really remember being moved quite so much
0:08:35 > 0:08:41by the absolute honesty and the raw emotion
0:08:41 > 0:08:46and quite frankly brilliant acting,
0:08:46 > 0:08:48by a guy in for murder.
0:08:48 > 0:08:53No acting experience, and it really puts a lot of us
0:08:53 > 0:08:56pretentious thespians to shame, quite frankly.
0:09:07 > 0:09:10Felicity Kendal proving that an idyllic upbringing
0:09:10 > 0:09:13is not without its hard work.
0:09:13 > 0:09:16Chatsworth House is an idyllic country seat
0:09:16 > 0:09:18the Duke and Duchess of Devonshire call home.
0:09:18 > 0:09:21But as BBC One's new documentary finds out
0:09:21 > 0:09:25there's a lot of hard work that goes on the behind-the-scenes.
0:09:52 > 0:09:56I have stripped and laid this table. About 20 times, over the years.
0:09:58 > 0:10:01I am getting professional at this now.
0:10:05 > 0:10:06Spot on.
0:10:08 > 0:10:11The team of dedicated staff keeping Chatsworth
0:10:11 > 0:10:13in tiptop condition for visitors.
0:10:13 > 0:10:17If only the rest of us could have the same.
0:10:17 > 0:10:21Mind you, then Nick Knowles and his DIY SOS team would be out of a job.
0:10:21 > 0:10:25We hope we have done everything that you needed. Open your eyes.
0:10:31 > 0:10:33Thank you so much.
0:10:33 > 0:10:35It is beautiful.
0:10:51 > 0:10:53The team done good, then.
0:10:53 > 0:10:58Another comment about the show is the inappropriate use of music.
0:10:58 > 0:11:03Viewers questioned why an invisible orchestra pipes up every time
0:11:03 > 0:11:05the tradesmen start working.
0:11:05 > 0:11:10I have honestly never felt so embarrassed, knackered, and old.
0:11:10 > 0:11:14But a welcome use of using appears to be the BBC's two-pronged attack
0:11:14 > 0:11:17on classical music.
0:11:17 > 0:11:21The prelude was BBC Two's Maestro.
0:11:37 > 0:11:39Music is a competitive business.
0:11:39 > 0:11:42Conductors are and have to be personalities
0:11:42 > 0:11:46as well as wonderful technicians and great musicians.
0:11:46 > 0:11:50So actually, what we are doing as entirely appropriate to the art form.
0:11:50 > 0:11:53And remember, opera and classical music is also a show.
0:11:53 > 0:11:57It is meant to be entertainment as well as great art.
0:11:57 > 0:11:59And the finality will be Young Musician 2012.
0:12:05 > 0:12:08Lara and the other soloists were stunning
0:12:08 > 0:12:12and yet the coverage of this wonderful show
0:12:12 > 0:12:14was negligible compared with shows like The Voice
0:12:14 > 0:12:16and other talent shows on television.
0:12:25 > 0:12:28We passionately all believe in showcasing
0:12:28 > 0:12:32and celebrating the wealth of talent that is out there.
0:12:32 > 0:12:35These are young people have worked for not just months but years
0:12:35 > 0:12:41and years, and put in hours and hours of really dedicated practice
0:12:41 > 0:12:43to be as good as they are.
0:12:43 > 0:12:46We believe that's worth shouting about
0:12:46 > 0:12:48and celebrating in a really positive way.
0:12:48 > 0:12:50Do you have anything to get off your chest?
0:12:50 > 0:12:54William Fleming does, it is a damp squid.
0:12:54 > 0:12:57It has been a bit of a damp squid. Everyone has been very disappointed.
0:12:57 > 0:13:00As William says, "Aren't all squids damp?
0:13:00 > 0:13:04"They live underwater. The phrase is damp squib.
0:13:04 > 0:13:07"An explosive device which would not work if wet."
0:13:07 > 0:13:10With anything, damp or otherwise, you can write to us at:
0:13:33 > 0:13:36Next week, the controller of BBC One, Danny Cohen,
0:13:36 > 0:13:38will be here to answer your questions.
0:13:38 > 0:13:42He, of The Voice and Olympic coverage, amongst many other things.
0:13:42 > 0:13:44Whatever you want to ask, do send it in,
0:13:44 > 0:13:46and we will put it to him. Goodbye.
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