Episode 16

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0:00:10 > 0:00:13Hello and welcome to Points of View,

0:00:13 > 0:00:17where YOU review what you've been watching on TV over the past week

0:00:17 > 0:00:20and we've a full menu of your comments to serve up,

0:00:20 > 0:00:22so here's what's for starters.

0:00:22 > 0:00:25The winner of the 2013

0:00:25 > 0:00:29Great British Bake Off is...

0:00:29 > 0:00:32Frances!

0:00:32 > 0:00:35An audience of nearly 8.5 million tuned in on Tuesday night

0:00:35 > 0:00:39to see Frances Quinn crowned the winner of the fourth series

0:00:39 > 0:00:42of the Great British Bake Off.

0:00:42 > 0:00:44Here you are.

0:00:44 > 0:00:47The Great British Bake Off, how are you feeling?

0:00:47 > 0:00:50I hoped... I dreamt it,

0:00:50 > 0:00:54but I don't think I ever truly, truly believed it.

0:00:54 > 0:00:57Oh, darling! Congratulations!

0:00:57 > 0:01:00So, the wait is over for Bake Off fans

0:01:00 > 0:01:04who have enjoyed every mouthwatering moment of this series.

0:01:18 > 0:01:21Now who would have thought a cake-baking competition

0:01:21 > 0:01:23could be such a big hit?

0:01:23 > 0:01:26But it's just that, Bake Off has had higher ratings

0:01:26 > 0:01:31than any other programme on BBC Two in the past ten years.

0:01:31 > 0:01:36Little wonder that it's been poached by BBC One for the next series.

0:01:36 > 0:01:39And that's enough cooking references now.

0:01:47 > 0:01:51We asked the team at the BBC Bake Off HQ for assurances

0:01:51 > 0:01:53that things won't change too dramatically

0:01:53 > 0:01:57with the move to BBC One. Here's what they told us.

0:03:12 > 0:03:15Blatant advertising? Or filming in the real world?

0:03:15 > 0:03:18Now, the BBC has some pretty strong guidelines on this.

0:03:18 > 0:03:20There are people in this building whose job it is

0:03:20 > 0:03:24to make sure they're followed. The show's producers have told us

0:03:24 > 0:03:29they did adhere to the so-called editorial guidelines at all times,

0:03:29 > 0:03:34but at what point do products and logos and brands become a problem?

0:03:34 > 0:03:37Who better to answer that than the Director of Editorial Policy,

0:03:37 > 0:03:39David Jordan?

0:03:39 > 0:03:42Well, we live in a world which is full of logos,

0:03:42 > 0:03:46full of brands, full of brand names and they're constantly around us,

0:03:46 > 0:03:49so we have to accept that it's not possible

0:03:49 > 0:03:53to eradicate all of those things from our lives and nor do we want to.

0:03:53 > 0:03:56On the other hand, we don't want to be put in a position

0:03:56 > 0:04:01where excessive commercialisation on-screen

0:04:01 > 0:04:05threatens the BBC's independence and editorial integrity.

0:04:05 > 0:04:09So, it's about striking a balance and obviously that balance

0:04:09 > 0:04:13is more difficult to strike when you're focusing on the work

0:04:13 > 0:04:18of a company or a business or even of a charity,

0:04:18 > 0:04:22when logos abound in the workplace

0:04:22 > 0:04:26and in the other business places in which you're filming in.

0:04:26 > 0:04:28From one form of promotion to another, now

0:04:28 > 0:04:32and the way the BBC advertises upcoming programmes,

0:04:32 > 0:04:34with trails as they're called.

0:04:34 > 0:04:37Lots of people feeling overwhelmed by them. Have a look at this.

0:05:03 > 0:05:05Unlike commercial advertisers,

0:05:05 > 0:05:08we don't do big billboard campaigns

0:05:08 > 0:05:11or expensive campaigns, using other people's airwaves.

0:05:11 > 0:05:15We restrict ourselves to our own airtime within programmes.

0:05:18 > 0:05:21The amount of advertising we do, for example, on BBC One

0:05:21 > 0:05:25of our own content is almost exactly the same as ITV do

0:05:25 > 0:05:28for their own content, however what we obviously don't do

0:05:28 > 0:05:31is we don't have commercial breaks between the programmes

0:05:31 > 0:05:32or around the programmes.

0:05:42 > 0:05:45This is all connected with the way that we target the trails,

0:05:45 > 0:05:48so if we take a programme like, say, for example,

0:05:48 > 0:05:51Russell Howard's Good News on BBC Three.

0:05:51 > 0:05:54Fifteen stone man mugged by a fox!

0:05:54 > 0:05:56Give me your wallet or I'll run you through!

0:05:56 > 0:05:59We normally target that at 15 to 25 year olds.

0:05:59 > 0:06:03And what we try to achieve is that 65 per cent of that audience

0:06:03 > 0:06:08should see that trail once and 40 per cent should see it three times.

0:06:08 > 0:06:11However, if you watch a lot of BBC,

0:06:11 > 0:06:14that might mean that you see that trail more often.

0:06:27 > 0:06:31On average, there's about 1.5 minutes of trails allowed

0:06:31 > 0:06:35per hour across all our airwaves, that's television and radio.

0:06:35 > 0:06:39That will normally mean two or three trails in the break.

0:06:39 > 0:06:42..Continues Thursday at nine on BBC One and catch up on BBC iPlayer.

0:06:51 > 0:06:54Actually, the amount of time we give to trails has been stable

0:06:54 > 0:06:57for the last three years, so it's the same now in 2013

0:06:57 > 0:06:59as it was in 2010.

0:06:59 > 0:07:02The Escape Artist, starts Tuesday at nine on BBC One.

0:07:02 > 0:07:05While I know that your mute button is clearly getting a lot of use,

0:07:05 > 0:07:08there are people who actually really like our trails.

0:07:08 > 0:07:11Last week, we launched our trail for the 50th anniversary episode

0:07:11 > 0:07:14of Doctor Who. It was launched on Saturday night,

0:07:14 > 0:07:17by the Tuesday morning, 2.5 million people

0:07:17 > 0:07:20had sought out and downloaded that trail on YouTube.

0:07:20 > 0:07:22So, some people do really love our trails.

0:07:22 > 0:07:25The day of the Doctor.

0:07:29 > 0:07:32Now, one programme which seems to require no promotion

0:07:32 > 0:07:36is The Paradise which returned on Sunday.

0:07:36 > 0:07:40I could see you today across the store and...

0:07:40 > 0:07:42I was thinking... This is how it should be.

0:07:42 > 0:07:45The Paradise, bursting with customers.

0:07:45 > 0:07:47And at the same time, thinking...

0:07:47 > 0:07:49Longing for them all to go!

0:07:49 > 0:07:53So we could have the place to ourselves.

0:07:53 > 0:07:57The intoxicating love story set in England's first department store,

0:07:57 > 0:08:00proving to be a winner all over again.

0:08:17 > 0:08:20Yes, sometimes things ARE better the second time around,

0:08:20 > 0:08:23which leads us on nicely to the whole issue of repeats.

0:08:23 > 0:08:27Now remember, last series the head of daytime, Damian Kavanagh,

0:08:27 > 0:08:29made this admission.

0:08:29 > 0:08:32For us to be able to continue to do the distinctive programming

0:08:32 > 0:08:34that we aspire to do on BBC One, we have to play some repeats.

0:08:34 > 0:08:37If we didn't play any repeats, we wouldn't be able to afford

0:08:37 > 0:08:39to do any original drama in the afternoons.

0:08:39 > 0:08:42We couldn't afford to continue doing the campaigning shows that we do.

0:08:42 > 0:08:45But, it would seem there are changes afoot on BBC daytime.

0:08:45 > 0:08:48The eagle-eyed among you noticing an increasing number of programmes

0:08:48 > 0:08:50from further back in the archives.

0:08:50 > 0:08:54Now, they're still repeats, but do we call them classics?

0:08:56 > 0:08:59So, we have to have repeats in daytime,

0:08:59 > 0:09:04but faced with the choice, modern-day series or golden oldies?

0:09:04 > 0:09:06# It's a repeat... #

0:09:06 > 0:09:08Which do you prefer?

0:09:08 > 0:09:11I prefer classic programmes, which offers a bit more than

0:09:11 > 0:09:14the modern programmes to a younger generation anyway.

0:09:14 > 0:09:17That's classic criminals, there's a chapter in there. Let me see it.

0:09:17 > 0:09:19The old classics more than the regular programmes,

0:09:19 > 0:09:21even though you have already seen them.

0:09:21 > 0:09:24One of my favourite programmes is on there, Keeping Up Appearances.

0:09:24 > 0:09:26Oh, yes, he always had good taste.

0:09:26 > 0:09:28Something that makes you happy, makes you laugh.

0:09:28 > 0:09:32I'd rather have classics than stuff that was repeated ten months ago.

0:09:32 > 0:09:35Which, under normal certain circumstances would be bad news...

0:09:35 > 0:09:38There's only a certain amount of times you can see old classics

0:09:38 > 0:09:41and one day these will be classics as well.

0:09:41 > 0:09:43Especially being a young person,

0:09:43 > 0:09:46I'm at that age where you're looking to buy a property and you learn.

0:09:46 > 0:09:50You've seen this before, so how are you feeling about it at the moment?

0:09:50 > 0:09:53I have watched far too much Bargain Hunt on study leave

0:09:53 > 0:09:56and on my days off at uni, so...

0:09:56 > 0:09:58it would be nice to have a bit of a change, you know.

0:09:58 > 0:10:00I'm free. I'm free. I'm free.

0:10:00 > 0:10:04Some people like the old, some the new, keep everyone happy.

0:10:04 > 0:10:07Bring the classics back, I've always found them well worth watching.

0:10:07 > 0:10:09Give us more old classics.

0:10:09 > 0:10:11She will repeat nothing.

0:10:11 > 0:10:14Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once.

0:10:14 > 0:10:19It seems the weight of opinion is firmly behind the classics.

0:10:19 > 0:10:23But what programmes would they really like to see repeated? Freeze!

0:10:23 > 0:10:25Only Fools And Horses, I would like that put back on television.

0:10:25 > 0:10:28Only Fools And Horses, you'd laugh every day. The Two Ronnies.

0:10:28 > 0:10:30Old tennis matches, John McEnroe.

0:10:30 > 0:10:33The two brothers, Cain and Abel, or was that a film?

0:10:33 > 0:10:35Morecambe and Wise. Even Butterflies.

0:10:35 > 0:10:40Fools And Horses, that's repeated already, isn't it?

0:10:40 > 0:10:42Now, brace yourself, Rodney.

0:10:42 > 0:10:44Brace yourself.

0:10:45 > 0:10:49LAUGHTER

0:10:49 > 0:10:52Well, this has really caught the imagination.

0:10:52 > 0:10:54Thanks to all who have been suggesting series

0:10:54 > 0:10:56that you'd like to see repeated.

0:10:56 > 0:10:58Hey, we've got some insider information, too.

0:10:58 > 0:11:02There are plans for more afternoon classics coming up in 2014.

0:11:02 > 0:11:04We can confirm The Pallisers.

0:11:08 > 0:11:10And Bergerac.

0:11:10 > 0:11:12Back to our youth, eh?

0:11:12 > 0:11:14Hello, good evening and welcome.

0:11:14 > 0:11:18And speaking of nostalgia, some real gems of broadcasting remembered

0:11:18 > 0:11:20during a special tribute night

0:11:20 > 0:11:23to the late Sir David Frost on Saturday.

0:11:23 > 0:11:25Family and friends, among them some well-known faces,

0:11:25 > 0:11:30spoke about the man in front of and behind the cameras.

0:11:43 > 0:11:46Well, I think he was on one of the daily chat shows

0:11:46 > 0:11:50a couple of years ago and rather than Sir David Frost

0:11:50 > 0:11:54and underneath saying, broadcaster or journalist or whatever,

0:11:54 > 0:11:56it just said the word legend.

0:11:58 > 0:12:02Sir David would surely have enjoyed the complex politics

0:12:02 > 0:12:04in this latest comedy drama.

0:12:04 > 0:12:09Right, as guest of honour, he sits next to me.

0:12:09 > 0:12:13Who should we put on the other side of him? The French ambassador.

0:12:13 > 0:12:15Very funny.

0:12:15 > 0:12:19You know he's coming, don't you? What?

0:12:19 > 0:12:20No! Yes.

0:12:20 > 0:12:24Comedy couple Mitchell and Webb joined the diplomatic world

0:12:24 > 0:12:27in Ambassadors, on Wednesday night.

0:13:02 > 0:13:04Thanks for your comments, as always.

0:13:04 > 0:13:07Before we go, we wanted to let you know about a special programme

0:13:07 > 0:13:10later in the series where we'll be putting your questions

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0:13:51 > 0:13:54That's it, until next Sunday, goodbye.

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