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0:00:00 > 0:00:02- Here, on the outskirts of Cardiff...
0:00:03 > 0:00:07- ..is the home of Beti George - and partner, David Parry-Jones.
0:00:08 > 0:00:10- She is perhaps best known...
0:00:10 > 0:00:14- ..for her popular - radio programme, Beti A'i Phobol.
0:00:14 > 0:00:18- But she has also presented - a plethora of music programmes.
0:00:18 > 0:00:22- Music of all genres - is very close to her heart.
0:00:22 > 0:00:25- That's a special sound system, - Gwion.
0:00:25 > 0:00:27- And a pretty special CD too.
0:00:27 > 0:00:29- Llyr Williams is my favourite.
0:00:30 > 0:00:34- His reputation precedes him. - He's world famous by now.
0:00:35 > 0:00:38- On every wall - are traces of her eclectic taste...
0:00:39 > 0:00:42- ..and her fondness - for the best in Welsh modern art.
0:00:43 > 0:00:45- It was a birthday present.
0:00:45 > 0:00:48- There was a knock at the door - and it was Iwan Bala.
0:00:48 > 0:00:50- He said, "This is for you."
0:00:51 > 0:00:54- Of course, it was - a present from David, not Iwan.
0:00:55 > 0:00:58- She recently received - the sad news...
0:00:58 > 0:01:02- ..that partner David - is suffering from Alzheimer's.
0:01:02 > 0:01:04- Their circumstances have changed.
0:01:04 > 0:01:08- Beti speaks candidly - about coping with the condition.
0:01:09 > 0:01:11- We're very fond of Greece.
0:01:11 > 0:01:13- Do you go there regularly?
0:01:14 > 0:01:17- We've been going to Samos - every year for the past 30 years.
0:01:19 > 0:01:22- But not this year.
0:01:22 > 0:01:25- She doesn't hide - her political tendencies either.
0:01:26 > 0:01:28- Here's my friend.
0:01:28 > 0:01:31- She serves an unexpected purpose.
0:01:32 > 0:01:34- As a nut cracker!
0:01:34 > 0:01:35- Great, isn't she?
0:01:35 > 0:01:37- Great, isn't she?- - That's clever.
0:01:45 > 0:01:49- We know you better as a broadcaster. - We'll return to that later.
0:01:50 > 0:01:55- We also know about - your passionate interest in music.
0:01:55 > 0:01:58- Were you interested in music - as a child?
0:01:59 > 0:02:01- I had a musical upbringing.
0:02:01 > 0:02:05- My mother and father - were very musical.
0:02:06 > 0:02:09- Music to us at the time - meant singing hymns in chapel...
0:02:10 > 0:02:12- ..and anthems.
0:02:12 > 0:02:14- Mam played the organ.
0:02:14 > 0:02:17- We had a small pedal organ at home.
0:02:17 > 0:02:21- My father sang in chapel.
0:02:21 > 0:02:26- I remember Mam telling me - I used to sing myself to sleep.
0:02:26 > 0:02:29- It's hard to believe, - but that's what she said.
0:02:30 > 0:02:31- As a baby?
0:02:31 > 0:02:33- As a baby?- - Yes, before I was a year old...
0:02:34 > 0:02:36- ..according to her.
0:02:36 > 0:02:40- The hymn tune I'd sing - was Ton-Y-Botel! (Tune In A Bottle)
0:02:40 > 0:02:42- It was very apt.
0:02:42 > 0:02:46- I was surrounded by music - during my upbringing.
0:02:47 > 0:02:48- Where was your home?
0:02:48 > 0:02:51- Where was your home?- - A small village called Coedybryn.
0:02:52 > 0:02:54- It's become well known...
0:02:54 > 0:02:58- ..since T Llew Jones was headmaster - of Coedybryn primary school...
0:02:59 > 0:03:01- ..for many years.
0:03:01 > 0:03:04- It's seven miles from Llangrannog...
0:03:05 > 0:03:08- ..and from where - my mother's family hails.
0:03:08 > 0:03:12- I spent a lot of time at Penmorfa, - a village near Llangrannog.
0:03:12 > 0:03:16- Mam-gu was bedridden...
0:03:16 > 0:03:20- ..for six years.
0:03:20 > 0:03:22- She'd broken her hip...
0:03:22 > 0:03:24- ..and in those days...
0:03:25 > 0:03:28- ..hip replacements - weren't given to people in their...
0:03:29 > 0:03:31- She was 80 when she broke her hip.
0:03:31 > 0:03:34- She stayed in bed...
0:03:34 > 0:03:36- ..for six years.
0:03:36 > 0:03:41- They talk today about - the lack of care in hospitals...
0:03:41 > 0:03:43- ..and the disregard - shown by nurses...
0:03:44 > 0:03:48- ..well, it was my aunt - who looked after my grandmother.
0:03:48 > 0:03:53- The family was proud of the fact - there were no bed sores in sight...
0:03:53 > 0:03:58- ..in all the time she was bedridden.
0:03:58 > 0:04:02- Tad-cu had died before I was born, - so I don't remember him.
0:04:02 > 0:04:06- He was a manual labourer - and worked on the roads.
0:04:09 > 0:04:14- He loved his job, apparently.
0:04:14 > 0:04:18- Of course, people would pass - and he'd have a chat with them all.
0:04:18 > 0:04:23- He was tremendous company, - by all accounts.
0:04:23 > 0:04:26- He was great company to be around.
0:04:26 > 0:04:28- He loved talking to everybody.
0:04:29 > 0:04:34- Were you from a middle-class family - or a working-class family?
0:04:34 > 0:04:37- I doubt Tad-cu, - as a manual labourer...
0:04:38 > 0:04:40- ..was middle class.
0:04:40 > 0:04:42- No, working class.
0:04:43 > 0:04:46- Lower working class, I'd say.
0:04:47 > 0:04:49- My father was a weaver.
0:04:49 > 0:04:53- He was an accomplished craftsman.
0:04:53 > 0:04:56- He frequently won awards...
0:04:57 > 0:04:59- ..at the Royal Welsh Show.
0:04:59 > 0:05:01- For what?
0:05:01 > 0:05:04- Woven blankets and quilts.
0:05:04 > 0:05:09- He specialized in what - we used to call honeycomb quilts...
0:05:09 > 0:05:11- ..and tapestry quilts.
0:05:11 > 0:05:15- I still have many of them today.
0:05:16 > 0:05:18- He was a worker.
0:05:18 > 0:05:23- But before I came into the world...
0:05:23 > 0:05:26- ..he worked at the coalmine.
0:05:26 > 0:05:31- He worked underground - but only lasted six months.
0:05:31 > 0:05:36- He became - a staunch socialist in that time.
0:05:38 > 0:05:43- My mother went away to work - at 14 years of age.
0:05:45 > 0:05:49- She was a chambermaid, as - they called them back then, I think.
0:05:50 > 0:05:52- Sounds like something - from Downton Abbey!
0:05:52 > 0:05:56- And Upstairs Downstairs too.
0:05:56 > 0:06:00- She came to Cardiff - at 14 years of age...
0:06:00 > 0:06:03- ..to be a maid.
0:06:03 > 0:06:05- From rural Wales?
0:06:06 > 0:06:10- Yes. She was a maid to the family - who owned The Western Mail.
0:06:10 > 0:06:13- The Webbers.
0:06:13 > 0:06:16- I remember - the stories she used to tell.
0:06:17 > 0:06:19- She told me about her life.
0:06:19 > 0:06:22- She often told me - if I didn't do my schoolwork...
0:06:23 > 0:06:25- ..I'd end up like her.
0:06:25 > 0:06:29- That's when I'd hear these - horrendous stories about her life...
0:06:29 > 0:06:31- ..with the Webbers in Cardiff.
0:06:32 > 0:06:34- What sort of stories?
0:06:34 > 0:06:37- There were two daughters, - apparently.
0:06:37 > 0:06:42- Every month - when they had their period...
0:06:42 > 0:06:46- ..the girls would just throw their - sanitary towels on the floor...
0:06:47 > 0:06:50- ..and tell her - to pick them up and wash them.
0:06:51 > 0:06:54- She was only 14 years old. - She was only a child herself.
0:06:55 > 0:06:57- They didn't care about her dignity?
0:06:57 > 0:06:59- They didn't care about her dignity?- - No.
0:07:01 > 0:07:06- Ironically, I met a descendent - of the Webber family...
0:07:06 > 0:07:08- ..many years later...
0:07:08 > 0:07:12- ..when I was working in Cardiff.
0:07:14 > 0:07:16- I happened to be in a reception.
0:07:17 > 0:07:19- The descendent was there too.
0:07:20 > 0:07:24- I told him - the story about my mother...
0:07:24 > 0:07:27- ..having to wash - the sanitary towels...
0:07:28 > 0:07:32- ..of his great-great-grandmother...
0:07:32 > 0:07:35- ..or however they were related.
0:07:37 > 0:07:39- Fair play to him...
0:07:39 > 0:07:43- ..he acknowledged - how hard her life must've been.
0:07:43 > 0:07:45- But that's how it was back then.
0:07:45 > 0:07:48- Was there any form of apology?
0:07:48 > 0:07:52- Yes. At least I felt there was - because the world has changed.
0:07:53 > 0:07:56- When you look back at - the turbulent times of 1960s...
0:07:56 > 0:08:00- ..and the protests - of The Welsh Language Society.
0:08:00 > 0:08:01- Was that part of your life?
0:08:01 > 0:08:03- Was that part of your life?- - No, not at all.
0:08:03 > 0:08:06- It happened after I'd left college.
0:08:06 > 0:08:10- But even if it had happened, - and I had still been at college...
0:08:11 > 0:08:14- ..I don't know if I'd been - part of it, I have to admit...
0:08:15 > 0:08:19- ..because of this ethos at home - about lawbreaking...
0:08:19 > 0:08:22- ..I doubt I could've gone home...
0:08:22 > 0:08:25- ..and told them I'd broken the law.
0:08:25 > 0:08:29- It comes back - to that working-class ethos again.
0:08:29 > 0:08:33- Lawbreaking was inherently wrong.
0:08:33 > 0:08:36- There was - no moral justification for it?
0:08:36 > 0:08:38- None. None at all.
0:08:38 > 0:08:42- I remember Emyr Llewelyn, - from the same village...
0:08:42 > 0:08:46- ..and the action he took - for the Welsh language.
0:08:46 > 0:08:50- But he wasn't respected...
0:08:50 > 0:08:53- ..because he'd broken the law.
0:08:56 > 0:09:01- But thank goodness for people - like Emyr and his counterparts...
0:09:01 > 0:09:03- ..for breaking the law.
0:09:03 > 0:09:07- I doubt I would've been - one of them, however.
0:09:07 > 0:09:12- Are you optimistic about - the future of the Welsh language?
0:09:12 > 0:09:17- That's one of the questions I ask - at the end of Beti A'i Phobol.
0:09:17 > 0:09:21- A century from now, - how many people will speak Welsh?
0:09:21 > 0:09:23- Where will Wales be?
0:09:23 > 0:09:25- I ask that question...
0:09:25 > 0:09:29- ..to help myself - come to some decision.
0:09:29 > 0:09:32- At the moment...
0:09:32 > 0:09:34- ..I've little hope.
0:09:34 > 0:09:38- I'm pessimistic - about the future of the language.
0:09:41 > 0:09:43- I've seen it...
0:09:45 > 0:09:50- ..gradually disappear - from my home county of Ceredigion.
0:09:50 > 0:09:53- During - the 75th anniversary celebration...
0:09:54 > 0:09:56- ..of Coedybryn primary school...
0:09:56 > 0:10:00- ..I arrived at the function room...
0:10:00 > 0:10:03- ..of a pub in Newcastle Emlyn...
0:10:03 > 0:10:05- ..and I was a little early.
0:10:05 > 0:10:10- I walked in and saw people - putting up balloons and so on.
0:10:10 > 0:10:12- There was - no word of Welsh in sight.
0:10:13 > 0:10:16- The celebration dinner began...
0:10:17 > 0:10:19- ..and I was - supposed to say a few words.
0:10:20 > 0:10:23- It was heartbreaking.
0:10:23 > 0:10:28- Coedybryn had always been - a Welsh-speaking community.
0:10:28 > 0:10:30- But when I thought - of T Llew Jones...
0:10:31 > 0:10:35- ..who was headmaster - of the school for so many years...
0:10:35 > 0:10:38- ..I'm sure - he was spinning in his grave.
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0:10:44 > 0:10:48- By the mid-1970s, Beti had left - the world of education...
0:10:48 > 0:10:53- ..and was beginning a career - as a radio journalist on Bore Da.
0:10:53 > 0:10:56- It was an exciting time.
0:10:56 > 0:11:00- There were miners' strikes - and steelworkers' strikes.
0:11:00 > 0:11:05- It was essential to be a member...
0:11:05 > 0:11:09- ..of the NUJ, - the National Union of Journalists...
0:11:09 > 0:11:13- ..before you could - go to workers' meetings.
0:11:13 > 0:11:15- So I had to...
0:11:15 > 0:11:18- I didn't want to join the union...
0:11:19 > 0:11:22- ..until I'd completed - my apprenticeship.
0:11:22 > 0:11:26- I spent three years training...
0:11:26 > 0:11:32- ..and then - I applied for membership of the NUJ.
0:11:34 > 0:11:37- But in those days...
0:11:37 > 0:11:40- ..it was newspaper journalists...
0:11:40 > 0:11:45- ..who ran the journalists' union - in Swansea....
0:11:45 > 0:11:47- ..and many other regions.
0:11:47 > 0:11:50- They were regarded - as the bona fide journalists.
0:11:51 > 0:11:54- TV and radio journalists - weren't proper journalists.
0:11:55 > 0:11:57- You were meant to train on paper...
0:11:58 > 0:12:01- ..before you were considered - a proper journalist.
0:12:01 > 0:12:07- There were two heads of - the journalists' union in Swansea...
0:12:08 > 0:12:12- ..and they didn't want me to join.
0:12:12 > 0:12:16- They said, "Oh, no, she's teaching.
0:12:16 > 0:12:19- "She's got a full-time job. - She's teaching."
0:12:23 > 0:12:27- A year later, fair play - to one of the photographers...
0:12:28 > 0:12:30- ..of a Neath newspaper.
0:12:30 > 0:12:35- He would see me - coming to these meetings...
0:12:35 > 0:12:37- ..but not gaining entry.
0:12:38 > 0:12:41- He said, "I'll get you in."
0:12:41 > 0:12:43- I was eventually let in.
0:12:43 > 0:12:49- I was allowed to attend the meetings - after that and quiz the unionists.
0:12:49 > 0:12:52- Not so much the owners...
0:12:53 > 0:12:55- ..but the union side of things.
0:12:55 > 0:12:59- I was interested in getting - the families' perspective.
0:12:59 > 0:13:03- The suffering - the families had to endure.
0:13:04 > 0:13:09- The fact that we spoke Welsh - in those circles was a help too.
0:13:10 > 0:13:12- It helped you find a story?
0:13:12 > 0:13:15- It helped you find a story?- - Yes, and they had faith in me.
0:13:16 > 0:13:22- If you spoke Welsh, - union members empathized...
0:13:22 > 0:13:24- ..with someone who spoke Welsh.
0:13:28 > 0:13:32- Dodgy things - were happening on both sides.
0:13:32 > 0:13:35- There's no doubt about that.
0:13:35 > 0:13:37- But somehow or other...
0:13:37 > 0:13:39- ..they had faith in me...
0:13:39 > 0:13:44- ..not to misinterpret - what they were fighting for.
0:13:44 > 0:13:47- I had every sympathy for them...
0:13:47 > 0:13:51- ..although - I had to remain impartial.
0:13:51 > 0:13:56- Which, in turn, gave you the - advantage over other journalists.
0:13:57 > 0:14:01- And the fact I was a woman too.
0:14:04 > 0:14:08- The wives of the miners - played a central role.
0:14:08 > 0:14:12- They had influence at the time.
0:14:12 > 0:14:15- They were forming alliances...
0:14:15 > 0:14:19- ..and were - actively fundraising and so on.
0:14:20 > 0:14:23- I was quite popular with them.
0:14:23 > 0:14:28- If there was a story, they'd phone - me to tell me what was happening.
0:14:30 > 0:14:32- I remember one time...
0:14:32 > 0:14:37- ..there was - an explosion at Cwm Gwili coalmine.
0:14:37 > 0:14:39- Two men had been killed.
0:14:41 > 0:14:46- It was the first time - I'd dealt with such a tragic story.
0:14:48 > 0:14:50- I went there in person.
0:14:51 > 0:14:54- I don't think I was expected...
0:14:54 > 0:14:58- ..to talk to the families - who had lost their husbands...
0:14:58 > 0:15:04- ..but one man had survived, although - he had been seriously injured...
0:15:04 > 0:15:07- ..and they wanted me - to get the story...
0:15:07 > 0:15:10- ..from his wife.
0:15:10 > 0:15:12- So I found out where she lived...
0:15:12 > 0:15:18- ..and there were dozens - of journalists already there.
0:15:18 > 0:15:20- She opened the door...
0:15:20 > 0:15:25- ..and it was obvious she didn't - feel comfortable talking about it.
0:15:26 > 0:15:28- She didn't want to, - but she saw me...
0:15:29 > 0:15:31- ..and she recognized me.
0:15:31 > 0:15:34- She said, "Beti, I'll talk to you."
0:15:35 > 0:15:37- She picked you out?
0:15:38 > 0:15:40- Yes, and I got to talk to her.
0:15:40 > 0:15:45- She described hearing - the ambulance at two in the morning.
0:15:45 > 0:15:49- She said it happened regularly...
0:15:49 > 0:15:52- ..but this particular morning...
0:15:52 > 0:15:56- ..she sensed that something - out of the ordinary had happened.
0:15:57 > 0:15:59- I put myself in her shoes...
0:15:59 > 0:16:03- ..and considered the hardships - miners had to endure.
0:16:03 > 0:16:05- How on earth can anyone...
0:16:05 > 0:16:09- ..criticize the miners - for fighting for their rights?
0:16:09 > 0:16:11- I can't understand it.
0:16:12 > 0:16:16- You've had to face - another challenge recently, Beti.
0:16:16 > 0:16:20- Your partner, David, - the well-known sports broadcaster...
0:16:20 > 0:16:22- ..is suffering from Alzheimer's.
0:16:22 > 0:16:26- When did you realize - there was a problem?
0:16:26 > 0:16:28- It goes back to...
0:16:28 > 0:16:31- Well, I'd say - it goes back about six years...
0:16:32 > 0:16:36- ..although he wasn't diagnosed - until four years ago.
0:16:36 > 0:16:38- I noticed some things.
0:16:38 > 0:16:41- If I wrote anything in English...
0:16:41 > 0:16:43- ..a script or anything...
0:16:44 > 0:16:48- ..I'd always pass it to him - to look over...
0:16:48 > 0:16:52- ..in case I'd made - any terrible grammatical errors.
0:16:53 > 0:16:55- It'd come back - covered in corrections.
0:16:56 > 0:16:58- He'd also make suggestions.
0:17:01 > 0:17:04- Gradually, - it didn't happen any more.
0:17:04 > 0:17:06- It made me think.
0:17:07 > 0:17:09- One came back one day...
0:17:09 > 0:17:15- ..and there were no corrections - in this English script I'd written.
0:17:15 > 0:17:17- I said, "There must be, come on."
0:17:17 > 0:17:22- And he said, "No, your English - has dramatically improved."
0:17:22 > 0:17:25- That's when I realized...
0:17:25 > 0:17:28- ..things weren't right.
0:17:28 > 0:17:31- He's not poorly, - I just have to be patient.
0:17:31 > 0:17:34- He has difficulty with his vest.
0:17:35 > 0:17:37- I can't understand it.
0:17:37 > 0:17:41- He has difficulty and he asks me - every time to help him.
0:17:41 > 0:17:43- There are three holes...
0:17:43 > 0:17:48- ..and he's not sure which hole - his head should go through.
0:17:48 > 0:17:51- It's interesting...
0:17:51 > 0:17:55- ..how the brain stops functioning.
0:17:56 > 0:17:58- In terms of how it's affected him...
0:17:58 > 0:18:03- ..it affects every individual - suffering from Alzheimer's...
0:18:03 > 0:18:06- ..in a different way.
0:18:07 > 0:18:10- How do you make dementia...
0:18:10 > 0:18:14- ..as high profile a disease - as breast cancer?
0:18:14 > 0:18:16- That's the point.
0:18:16 > 0:18:18- People think of it...
0:18:19 > 0:18:21- ..as an old person's disease.
0:18:21 > 0:18:26- Less than a quarter of the money - that goes towards cancer research...
0:18:26 > 0:18:31- ..is spent on dementia research.
0:18:32 > 0:18:34- In 20 years' time...
0:18:34 > 0:18:38- ..they'll be inundated - unless they find a solution.
0:18:38 > 0:18:43- I'm not suggesting spending less - on cancer - not at all.
0:18:43 > 0:18:47- But cancer research has proved...
0:18:47 > 0:18:50- ..that if the money's there...
0:18:50 > 0:18:54- ..new treatments will be discovered.
0:18:54 > 0:19:00- Nowadays, people with cancer - talk and discuss their condition.
0:19:00 > 0:19:03- If they did the same - with dementia...
0:19:03 > 0:19:08- ..in the long run, they'll - save money - it's as simple as that.
0:19:08 > 0:19:10- We must talk about Beti A'i Phobol.
0:19:11 > 0:19:13- You're renowned for that programme.
0:19:13 > 0:19:16- It's been running - for 30 years, I believe.
0:19:17 > 0:19:19- Yes, it has.
0:19:20 > 0:19:22- Many people have said...
0:19:22 > 0:19:26- ..that the secret - of the programme's success...
0:19:26 > 0:19:28- ..is down to a rare combination.
0:19:28 > 0:19:32- Your journalistic curiosity...
0:19:32 > 0:19:35- ..coupled with your warmth.
0:19:35 > 0:19:40- You make people feel comfortable. - It's a rare combination.
0:19:40 > 0:19:42- If I'm interviewing someone...
0:19:43 > 0:19:46- ..I want to get - the best out of that person.
0:19:46 > 0:19:48- It works both ways.
0:19:50 > 0:19:53- I like people, - there's no doubt about that.
0:19:53 > 0:19:55- I chat to them...
0:19:56 > 0:20:00- ..sometimes hours at a time, - before I record the programme.
0:20:01 > 0:20:05- So when they actually - come to do the programme...
0:20:06 > 0:20:09- ..they know which way - the conversation will go.
0:20:09 > 0:20:14- I can't think of anyone who's said, - "No, I don't want to discuss that."
0:20:14 > 0:20:17- "Don't ask me about that."
0:20:18 > 0:20:23- Maybe one or two people - have said after the recording...
0:20:23 > 0:20:26- .."I want that taken out."
0:20:27 > 0:20:29- I give them the freedom...
0:20:30 > 0:20:33- ..to talk about a subject - of their choice.
0:20:34 > 0:20:38- I always say to them, "Think about - the people who are listening.
0:20:38 > 0:20:41- "They might be at home - by themselves...
0:20:41 > 0:20:44- "..with the same sort of problems...
0:20:44 > 0:20:47- "..you're going - to be talking about."
0:20:47 > 0:20:52- It means - you're sharing your experiences.
0:20:52 > 0:20:56- The listener at home alone...
0:20:56 > 0:20:58- ..has the same problems...
0:20:58 > 0:21:02- ..and realizes someone else - is going through the same thing.
0:21:02 > 0:21:05- It's important.
0:21:05 > 0:21:10- Can you think of one programme - you're particularly proud of?
0:21:11 > 0:21:13- I usually say RS Thomas...
0:21:13 > 0:21:17- ..when someone - asks me that question.
0:21:17 > 0:21:20- I always mention RS...
0:21:20 > 0:21:23- ..because he gave me such a shock.
0:21:23 > 0:21:25- The man was very different...
0:21:26 > 0:21:31- ..from the image I had of him - as this surly character.
0:21:31 > 0:21:33- He wasn't like that at all.
0:21:34 > 0:21:38- I wasn't - going to ask him about his poetry.
0:21:38 > 0:21:41- I wanted to interview the man.
0:21:42 > 0:21:45- I was worried he might think - my questions were silly...
0:21:46 > 0:21:47- ..but he didn't.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50- He loved it - and played the game, as they say.
0:21:51 > 0:21:52- On the other hand...
0:21:53 > 0:21:57- ..there are those - who talk about their experiences...
0:21:57 > 0:21:59- ..for the first time.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02- I remember Delme Thomas, - for example.
0:22:02 > 0:22:05- The beloved rugby playing giant.
0:22:06 > 0:22:11- He'd never discussed - his experiences of depression.
0:22:12 > 0:22:15- He's suffered seriously - with depression.
0:22:17 > 0:22:20- He spoke about it - for the first time.
0:22:22 > 0:22:26- What he said was so memorable.
0:22:28 > 0:22:31- They're too numerous to mention.
0:22:31 > 0:22:36- I like the ones - who are labelled "heavy".
0:22:38 > 0:22:41- I've always - been interested in politics.
0:22:42 > 0:22:45- I wouldn't call myself - a political expert...
0:22:45 > 0:22:49- ..but interviewing politicians - in-depth...
0:22:49 > 0:22:51- ..and the way they respond...
0:22:52 > 0:22:58- ..gives me immense satisfaction.
0:22:58 > 0:23:00- I could go on and on.
0:23:02 > 0:23:04- I can count on one hand...
0:23:04 > 0:23:08- ..the ones I think, 'Oh, forget it!'
0:23:09 > 0:23:10- It's inevitable.
0:23:10 > 0:23:14- It's inevitable.- - There are only a handful of those.
0:23:14 > 0:23:17- I know - you hate talking about yourself...
0:23:17 > 0:23:20- ..so I'm - very, very grateful to you...
0:23:20 > 0:23:23- ..for being so candid - and so willing to talk.
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