0:00:02 > 0:00:06I learn a lot from my kids, and my grandkids about solidarity,
0:00:06 > 0:00:10about, you know, that you are part of something.
0:00:10 > 0:00:15Is it the family, Beaver Patrol, Rolling Stones?
0:00:15 > 0:00:21That you're part of something has always been important to me
0:00:21 > 0:00:22and my kids prove it.
0:00:22 > 0:00:26I mean, they could have turned out totally different, you know, but...
0:00:26 > 0:00:32Good mums...which is absolutely the most important thing.
0:00:32 > 0:00:35I mean, your dad, one thing, OK.
0:00:35 > 0:00:39He might be there, you know, provide support and that
0:00:39 > 0:00:41but it's really the mother.
0:00:43 > 0:00:44God bless their hearts.
0:00:45 > 0:00:48So what you got from your mum comes around
0:00:48 > 0:00:50in the way you deal with your kids?
0:00:50 > 0:00:53Yeah. It's got to. It must. Your kids and grandkids.
0:00:54 > 0:01:00You know, it's a pass-it-on affection for each other.
0:01:00 > 0:01:01Woo!
0:01:01 > 0:01:05Any moment now there's going to be a fierce outbreak of ska.
0:01:05 > 0:01:10And ska is the new beat from the West Indies, from Jamaica.
0:01:10 > 0:01:13The new sound to replace, perhaps, the Mersey Sound.
0:01:13 > 0:01:18In fact, you might call this the Mersey-less Sound.
0:01:18 > 0:01:22# It's good to be wise when you're young
0:01:25 > 0:01:30# Cos you can only be young but for once
0:01:33 > 0:01:39# Enjoy yourself and have lots of fun
0:01:42 > 0:01:47# Serve God and live, my friend and it will never done
0:01:50 > 0:01:54# Enjoy yourself
0:01:54 > 0:01:57# It's later than you think
0:01:58 > 0:02:02# Enjoy yourself
0:02:02 > 0:02:05# While you're still in the pink
0:02:06 > 0:02:13# The years go by as quickly as you wink
0:02:15 > 0:02:19# Enjoy yourself, enjoy yourself
0:02:19 > 0:02:22# It's later than you think
0:02:55 > 0:03:01# Get wisdom, get knowledge and understanding
0:03:04 > 0:03:09# Those three were given free by the maker
0:03:12 > 0:03:18# Go to school, learn the rules don't be no faker
0:03:20 > 0:03:25# It's not wise for you to be a footstool
0:03:28 > 0:03:32# So enjoy yourself
0:03:32 > 0:03:35# It's later than you think
0:03:37 > 0:03:41# Enjoy yourself
0:03:41 > 0:03:44# While you're still in the pink
0:03:45 > 0:03:52# The years go by as quickly as you wink
0:03:53 > 0:03:57# Enjoy yourself, enjoy yourself
0:03:57 > 0:04:00# It's later than you think. #
0:04:00 > 0:04:01Daylight's come
0:04:01 > 0:04:02and I want to go home
0:04:02 > 0:04:06but all they want to do is ska.
0:04:15 > 0:04:18Merle Haggard also died in this year.
0:04:18 > 0:04:22Yeah, one of the great country singers of all time.
0:04:22 > 0:04:25And a hell of a guitar player. Yeah.
0:04:26 > 0:04:28I'm going to miss you, pal.
0:04:28 > 0:04:31COUNTRY MUSIC
0:04:33 > 0:04:37# I got a barrel of flour Lord, I got a bucket of lard
0:04:39 > 0:04:43# I got a barrel of flour Lord, I got a bucket of lard
0:04:45 > 0:04:48# I ain't got no blues Got chickens in my back yard
0:04:50 > 0:04:54# Got corn in my crib Cotton growin' in my patch
0:04:56 > 0:05:00# I got corn in my crib Cotton growin' in my patch
0:05:01 > 0:05:05# I got that old hen a sittin' waitin' for that old hen to hatch
0:05:07 > 0:05:12# Yodel-ee-oh hard times
0:05:12 > 0:05:16# I'm gonna hitch up my mule and take a holt of my line
0:05:17 > 0:05:21# I'm gonna hitch up my mule and take a holt of my line
0:05:23 > 0:05:27# Lord, I can't be bothered with all those old hard times... #
0:05:27 > 0:05:28Go ahead and pick one.
0:05:32 > 0:05:35CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:05:44 > 0:05:48# I can make more money with my pick and plough
0:05:49 > 0:05:53# I can make more money with my pick and plough
0:05:55 > 0:05:59# With my one-eyed mule and my good ole Jersey cow
0:06:00 > 0:06:06# Yodel-ee-oh hard time blues. #
0:06:06 > 0:06:09CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Thank you.
0:06:09 > 0:06:10Merle Haggard.
0:06:10 > 0:06:13Always admired Merle throughout...
0:06:13 > 0:06:16About ten years ago...
0:06:16 > 0:06:19I'm doing a TV show
0:06:19 > 0:06:22with Jerry Lee Lewis and Willie Nelson
0:06:22 > 0:06:24and there's another guitar player
0:06:24 > 0:06:28with a straw Stetson and a grizzly beard and...
0:06:29 > 0:06:31..and he's playing, man, you know.
0:06:31 > 0:06:33Woo.
0:06:33 > 0:06:35I just turn round,
0:06:35 > 0:06:38we look and we smile and nod...
0:06:38 > 0:06:41and as I turn back, I...
0:06:41 > 0:06:43"Jesus Christ. That's Merle Haggard."
0:06:46 > 0:06:48HE LAUGHS And we took another...
0:06:48 > 0:06:49We're still playing, you know.
0:06:51 > 0:06:55And we give each other a nod and a wink.
0:06:56 > 0:06:59So, when the rehearsal's over, we went backstage
0:06:59 > 0:07:03and it was like old friends who had never met.
0:07:03 > 0:07:05GUITAR PLAYS
0:07:23 > 0:07:25# My momma told me
0:07:25 > 0:07:29# She said, Jerry Lee
0:07:29 > 0:07:33# That old graveyard's a mighty lonesome place
0:07:34 > 0:07:38# They send you six feet under
0:07:39 > 0:07:43# Shovel the dirt directly in your face. #
0:07:46 > 0:07:47History always interests me.
0:07:47 > 0:07:52I always want to know who did what and why because...
0:07:52 > 0:07:55in that case I might not make the same mistake.
0:07:55 > 0:07:57HE LAUGHS You can learn from it, yeah?
0:07:57 > 0:08:00It seems like a lot of kids today don't know their past.
0:08:00 > 0:08:05Or even have a...even have a wish to know their past.
0:08:05 > 0:08:07This is where it's weird to me.
0:08:07 > 0:08:12I'm still finding out about my maternal grandparents.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15Reprobates, all of them. HE LAUGHS
0:08:15 > 0:08:16Cos if you don't know the past,
0:08:16 > 0:08:18you can't do anything about the future, can you? No.
0:08:18 > 0:08:20You've got no point of reference, right?
0:08:22 > 0:08:25I remember when I first met you, you were halfway through
0:08:25 > 0:08:27Gibbon's Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire.
0:08:27 > 0:08:31Yeah, I never finished. THEY LAUGH
0:08:31 > 0:08:36You got that far. I got through the decline, the fall - I left out.
0:08:36 > 0:08:41Talking of empires, America - damn big country.
0:08:41 > 0:08:43HE LAUGHS
0:08:47 > 0:08:49That sense of space,
0:08:49 > 0:08:51John Ford Westerns,
0:08:51 > 0:08:54I mean, even though he used the same set forever -
0:08:54 > 0:08:56Monument Valley.
0:08:56 > 0:08:59Looks like you've got yourself surrounded.
0:08:59 > 0:09:01Yeah, and I figure on getting myself un-surrounded.
0:09:05 > 0:09:06You can't go wrong
0:09:06 > 0:09:07with Monument Valley, you know?
0:09:07 > 0:09:08Amazing.
0:09:17 > 0:09:21Modern America was also incredibly fascinating.
0:09:21 > 0:09:24Everything that was any good was coming out of America
0:09:24 > 0:09:26and especially music.
0:09:28 > 0:09:30Hank Williams.
0:09:30 > 0:09:34His influence, I mean, goes on and on.
0:09:34 > 0:09:36I mean, a great songwriter -
0:09:36 > 0:09:39his songs get recorded through generations.
0:09:39 > 0:09:44And, you know, you're not just, like, for your time,
0:09:44 > 0:09:46your stuff transcends.
0:09:46 > 0:09:47An amazing songwriter.
0:09:47 > 0:09:51So simple, so heartfelt.
0:09:51 > 0:09:54I've got a song here that I'd like to do
0:09:54 > 0:09:55that's been awful kind to me and the boys.
0:09:55 > 0:09:58It's bought us quite a few beans and biscuits.
0:09:58 > 0:10:02This is the best song we've ever had...financially.
0:10:02 > 0:10:06A little tune called Cold Cold Heart.
0:10:08 > 0:10:13# I tried so hard, my dear, to show
0:10:13 > 0:10:16# That you're my every dream
0:10:18 > 0:10:23# Yet you're afraid each thing I do
0:10:23 > 0:10:27# Is just some evil scheme
0:10:28 > 0:10:33# A memory from your lonesome past
0:10:33 > 0:10:39# Keeps us so far apart
0:10:41 > 0:10:46# Why can't I free your doubtful mind
0:10:46 > 0:10:51# And melt your cold, cold heart?
0:10:53 > 0:10:59# Another love before my time
0:10:59 > 0:11:04# Made your heart sad and blue
0:11:04 > 0:11:09# And so my heart is paying now
0:11:09 > 0:11:14# For things I didn't do
0:11:14 > 0:11:19# In anger, unkind words are said
0:11:19 > 0:11:25# That make the teardrops start
0:11:27 > 0:11:32# Why can't I free your doubtful mind
0:11:32 > 0:11:36# And melt your cold, cold heart?
0:11:50 > 0:11:55# There was a time when I believed
0:11:55 > 0:12:00# That you belonged to me
0:12:00 > 0:12:04# But now I know your heart
0:12:04 > 0:12:09# Is shackled to a memory
0:12:10 > 0:12:15# The more I learn to care for you
0:12:15 > 0:12:22# The more we drift apart
0:12:23 > 0:12:29# Why can't I free your doubtful mind
0:12:29 > 0:12:35# And melt your cold, cold heart? #
0:12:36 > 0:12:41APPLAUSE
0:12:46 > 0:12:50Hank wrote the future for country music
0:12:50 > 0:12:54in a matter of a couple of years.
0:12:54 > 0:12:57The guy was dead at 29.
0:12:58 > 0:13:01I mean, a lot of his songs are very, very optimistic -
0:13:01 > 0:13:04"Hey, good lookin', Whatcha got cooking?"
0:13:04 > 0:13:07You know, at the same time the man is in agony.
0:13:07 > 0:13:09You know what I mean?
0:13:09 > 0:13:11And, believe me, I know all about agony.
0:13:16 > 0:13:18What about Jimi Hendrix?
0:13:18 > 0:13:25I first heard him in New York City at a club somewhere under the...
0:13:25 > 0:13:28buried under the Brooklyn Bridge.
0:13:28 > 0:13:30And he did a version of Wild Thing...
0:13:30 > 0:13:32HE LAUGHS ..live.
0:13:32 > 0:13:37And, you know, I was there with Mick and Brian, I think...
0:13:37 > 0:13:40"Whoa, boys, time to get on your toes."
0:13:40 > 0:13:42HE LAUGHS
0:13:42 > 0:13:45"This cat is one..." You know, it was a pack of dynamite.
0:13:45 > 0:13:48INTRO TO VOODOO CHILD
0:14:44 > 0:14:48# Well, I stand up next to a mountain
0:14:48 > 0:14:50# I chop it down with the edge of my hand
0:14:53 > 0:14:54# Hey!
0:14:59 > 0:15:03# Well, I stand up next to a mountain
0:15:03 > 0:15:06# I chop it down with the edge of my hand
0:15:06 > 0:15:07# Yeah
0:15:09 > 0:15:12# I pick up all the pieces and make an island
0:15:13 > 0:15:15# I might even raise a little sand
0:15:16 > 0:15:17# Hey, baby
0:15:19 > 0:15:21# Cos I'm a voodoo child, child
0:15:23 > 0:15:26# Lord knows I'm a voodoo child, baby
0:15:26 > 0:15:29# Yeah
0:16:15 > 0:16:17# I'm not going to say another thing
0:16:21 > 0:16:25# I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time
0:16:25 > 0:16:28# I'll give it right back to you one of these days
0:16:34 > 0:16:37# I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time
0:16:38 > 0:16:40# I'll give it right back one of these days... #
0:16:43 > 0:16:44Man, try to top it off.
0:16:44 > 0:16:47# If I don't meet you no more in this world
0:16:47 > 0:16:48# I'll meet ya on the next one
0:16:48 > 0:16:51# And don't be late
0:16:51 > 0:16:53# Don't be late
0:16:54 > 0:16:56# I'm a voodoo child, child
0:16:58 > 0:17:01# Lord knows I'm a voodoo child, baby... #
0:17:46 > 0:17:49I still... I mean, I am not a great guitar player.
0:17:49 > 0:17:55I can create sounds that nobody can dream of, but as...
0:17:55 > 0:17:57I'm no Segovia, or...
0:17:57 > 0:17:59or a Jeff Beck, even.
0:18:01 > 0:18:02You know?
0:18:02 > 0:18:04Because I don't work at it that way.
0:18:04 > 0:18:07I try to create something I hear inside,
0:18:07 > 0:18:09and it's always been inside me
0:18:09 > 0:18:12and, you know, I keep trying to get it out!
0:18:12 > 0:18:13HE CHUCKLES
0:18:15 > 0:18:20I've no, like, real recollection of thinking about it.
0:18:20 > 0:18:24I just wanted that thing in my hands to see what I could do with it.
0:18:24 > 0:18:26Because I was hearing other people
0:18:26 > 0:18:29do wonderful things with that instrument, and it was...
0:18:29 > 0:18:33It was something that came fairly easily to me. It felt natural.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36I could not tuck a violin under my chin,
0:18:36 > 0:18:41and I certainly could never blow into saxophones
0:18:41 > 0:18:43or any other wind instrument,
0:18:43 > 0:18:45because I've got to talk when I'm playing.
0:18:45 > 0:18:47HE LAUGHS
0:18:47 > 0:18:50Maybe the shape's got something to do with it.
0:18:50 > 0:18:52HE LAUGHS
0:18:55 > 0:18:58You know, it's beautifully feminine.
0:18:58 > 0:19:01It was and still is a continual...
0:19:03 > 0:19:06.."learn me" thing. You know, that you don't stop.
0:19:06 > 0:19:09The book doesn't... There's no "The End".
0:19:09 > 0:19:13Usually, the most lurid creations of the world of pop music
0:19:13 > 0:19:14have been the first to vanish.
0:19:14 > 0:19:17The most shocking and the most outrageous disappear
0:19:17 > 0:19:19as their shock value is absorbed.
0:19:19 > 0:19:21Very few have lasted the pace over two whole decades.
0:19:21 > 0:19:23What's remarkable about the Rolling Stones
0:19:23 > 0:19:27is that they were more shocking than most, and as original as any,
0:19:27 > 0:19:29and they're still around and more popular than ever.
0:19:29 > 0:19:31Tomorrow, they return to London, their hometown,
0:19:31 > 0:19:34for the first concerts in six years.
0:19:34 > 0:19:38All 144,000 seats for the two shows have long since been sold out.
0:19:38 > 0:19:42The guitarist Keith Richards has been shy of publicity
0:19:42 > 0:19:44because, for ten years, he was a heroin addict.
0:19:44 > 0:19:46Now, in a rare television interview,
0:19:46 > 0:19:48he discusses both the group's future plans
0:19:48 > 0:19:51and his own past struggle with heroin.
0:19:51 > 0:19:54Keith Richards only comes out at night.
0:19:54 > 0:19:57On the night before the Stones' Paris show,
0:19:57 > 0:19:59he met us for a rare television interview.
0:19:59 > 0:20:02I have an apartment here, and...
0:20:02 > 0:20:06So it's kind of handy if I'm around Europe,
0:20:06 > 0:20:09I sort of gravitate towards Paris and, er...
0:20:10 > 0:20:12As much of a base as anywhere, as you say.
0:20:12 > 0:20:16But do you live very much at night? I mean, it's almost midnight now.
0:20:17 > 0:20:20Yeah, it seems to work out that way.
0:20:20 > 0:20:22It's night-time.
0:20:22 > 0:20:24I generally keep the curtains drawn.
0:20:26 > 0:20:30The Stones' ambition, as far as it went when it started,
0:20:30 > 0:20:35was to have three or four good club gigs around London -
0:20:35 > 0:20:37just enough to keep the amplifiers going
0:20:37 > 0:20:39and keep yourself in guitar strings -
0:20:39 > 0:20:42and play rhythm and blues...
0:20:43 > 0:20:46..to English audiences. Up until then, we considered,
0:20:46 > 0:20:51that nobody had really done that, you know, and...
0:20:51 > 0:20:53But we couldn't see it getting any bigger
0:20:53 > 0:20:57than three or four back rooms of pubs, you know.
0:20:58 > 0:21:01And we certainly weren't in it for the money!
0:21:01 > 0:21:04You know, we wanted to preach the gospel of rhythm and blues.
0:21:04 > 0:21:07It's like, idealistic kids, you know.
0:21:07 > 0:21:09The thing is, in this band,
0:21:09 > 0:21:13everybody supports - happily - everybody else, you know. And, er...
0:21:13 > 0:21:16Which is probably one of THE main reasons
0:21:16 > 0:21:18that we're still playing together, you know.
0:21:18 > 0:21:21We actually enjoy playing together.
0:21:21 > 0:21:23And still it's fun for us.
0:21:23 > 0:21:25It's like a very well-paid hobby!
0:21:27 > 0:21:32MUSIC: Honky Tonk Woman by The Rolling Stones
0:21:36 > 0:21:39He may have been playing it for 13 years,
0:21:39 > 0:21:42but Keith Richards still crashes enthusiastically
0:21:42 > 0:21:43into Honky Tonk Woman.
0:21:47 > 0:21:48# Hey
0:21:48 > 0:21:53# I met a gin-soaked bar-room queen in Memphis
0:21:56 > 0:22:01# Yeah, she tried to take me upstairs for a ride
0:22:04 > 0:22:09# The lady covered me in roses
0:22:12 > 0:22:17# She blew my nose and then she blew my mind
0:22:20 > 0:22:24# It's the honky tonk, honky tonk woman
0:22:28 > 0:22:32# Gimme, gimme, gimme the honky tonk blues... #
0:22:34 > 0:22:35All right, sister.
0:22:51 > 0:22:54For fellow musicians and Stones enthusiasts,
0:22:54 > 0:22:57Keith Richards is one of the great guitarists.
0:22:57 > 0:23:00For the public at large, he's been the Rolling Stone
0:23:00 > 0:23:03most often in trouble, almost always for drugs.
0:23:05 > 0:23:09For ten years, he seemed to be in and out of court.
0:23:09 > 0:23:13Redlands, his house in West Wittering, was raided in '67,
0:23:13 > 0:23:16and police said "various substances" were found.
0:23:16 > 0:23:19He was jailed for a year, but released after an appeal.
0:23:21 > 0:23:24Ten years later, in Canada, it was even more serious -
0:23:24 > 0:23:28he was arrested in Toronto and charged with trafficking in heroin.
0:23:30 > 0:23:33The fans around the courtroom knew that if he was jailed
0:23:33 > 0:23:36for a lengthy period, it would be the end for the Stones.
0:23:36 > 0:23:38He's not like everyone of us, he's different.
0:23:38 > 0:23:40He's Keith.
0:23:40 > 0:23:42In the event, he was given a suspended sentence,
0:23:42 > 0:23:46told to continue his treatment to cure heroin addiction,
0:23:46 > 0:23:49and ordered to perform a concert for the blind.
0:24:01 > 0:24:05After the Toronto incident, Keith Richards says he gave up heroin.
0:24:06 > 0:24:08Eventually...
0:24:09 > 0:24:13..in Toronto, yes. The very fact that I was...
0:24:17 > 0:24:19..a total junkie for almost ten years...
0:24:21 > 0:24:26..leaves me now realising that it didn't worry me too much then
0:24:26 > 0:24:31because of the very nature of heroin, you know.
0:24:31 > 0:24:33Nothing worries you.
0:24:33 > 0:24:34HE LAUGHS
0:24:34 > 0:24:36It's a very gradual thing to get into.
0:24:36 > 0:24:40It's a very easy thing to take and get into,
0:24:40 > 0:24:43and very incredibly difficult to get off.
0:24:43 > 0:24:45The black market, especially in heroin,
0:24:45 > 0:24:50is very, very dangerous because they're totally unscrupulous,
0:24:50 > 0:24:52and they have nobody to answer to.
0:24:52 > 0:24:54So you could find yourself
0:24:54 > 0:24:58taking just one great big dose of strychnine. I mean, that's...
0:24:58 > 0:25:01I mean, that's why there's such a high fatality rate
0:25:01 > 0:25:04amongst musicians, especially, because...
0:25:06 > 0:25:07..it is...
0:25:09 > 0:25:13It goes along musicians' lives and always has done, you know,
0:25:13 > 0:25:18because of the ups and downs, the adrenaline, the energy,
0:25:18 > 0:25:23the making the gig the next day when you're totally drained and it's...
0:25:23 > 0:25:28it's passed on from one generation of musicians to the next, you know.
0:25:28 > 0:25:32And looking back on it, I'm amazed that you...
0:25:32 > 0:25:36get onto it a lot earlier, you know.
0:25:36 > 0:25:39Getting off of it takes so long because by the time it's got you,
0:25:39 > 0:25:44you don't... As I say, you're not thinking clearly about things.
0:25:44 > 0:25:49Toronto made me realise that this was it, you know what I mean?
0:25:49 > 0:25:51This time...
0:25:51 > 0:25:55If I made a break with it and got...
0:25:56 > 0:26:03..out of the court hassle, another time, it would be it,
0:26:03 > 0:26:09and I was jeopardising the lives and the future of my children,
0:26:09 > 0:26:13the guys in the band and not just myself.
0:26:13 > 0:26:17That made me realise it wasn't just me,
0:26:17 > 0:26:22it was going to affect everybody that I care about, you know.
0:26:22 > 0:26:28And so, in a way, they did me a favour. God bless the Mounties.
0:26:28 > 0:26:31There were a couple of times in New York...
0:26:33 > 0:26:36These people have incredible set-ups that work out, you know,
0:26:36 > 0:26:42look out for the cops and suddenly some paranoid junkie would scream
0:26:42 > 0:26:44that they're coming and in a couple of seconds,
0:26:44 > 0:26:47bullets would flood into the wall and just...
0:26:47 > 0:26:50"Oh, forget it! I'll cold-turkey."
0:26:50 > 0:26:56But, yeah, New York can be real rough on that.
0:26:56 > 0:26:58So you'd have to wander out among these guys
0:26:58 > 0:27:00after a concert or whatever? And the next time,
0:27:00 > 0:27:03you'd take a gun with you. HE CHUCKLES
0:27:03 > 0:27:06That was it, you know, I carried a piece in those days.
0:27:06 > 0:27:09How long did you carry a gun for?
0:27:09 > 0:27:11Till I stopped being a junkie, you know,
0:27:11 > 0:27:13until I didn't have to deal with that any more.
0:27:13 > 0:27:16That's just a vital part of self-preservation, was it?
0:27:16 > 0:27:18Yeah, because you'd buy the stuff,
0:27:18 > 0:27:21walk down the stairs and they'd have their mate waiting down the stairs
0:27:21 > 0:27:24to stick you up and take it back again, you know.
0:27:24 > 0:27:26So, can't have that, can you?
0:27:26 > 0:27:30Has your whole approach to life in general changed
0:27:30 > 0:27:33over the last five years or has it...?
0:27:33 > 0:27:38Well, it's given me more time to live a slightly more normal life
0:27:38 > 0:27:42and to be interested and to be able to follow through interests.
0:27:42 > 0:27:47I mean, I can now sit there and read a book occasionally or...
0:27:47 > 0:27:50go out and see other acts rather than being stuck in
0:27:50 > 0:27:53a basement somewhere waiting for the man to come, you know.
0:27:53 > 0:27:54Against many expectations,
0:27:54 > 0:27:57Keith Richards hasn't just survived the '70s,
0:27:57 > 0:28:00he's survived in excellent form.
0:28:01 > 0:28:05On stage, his guitar sparring partner is Ron Wood,
0:28:05 > 0:28:08another distinguished veteran rock 'n' roll raver
0:28:08 > 0:28:11who tends to go around with Richards when they're on the road.
0:28:11 > 0:28:14# Gimme the honky tonk blues. #
0:28:14 > 0:28:15Oh, yeah!
0:28:17 > 0:28:21'He's setting more of an example...'
0:28:21 > 0:28:22Thank you!
0:28:22 > 0:28:25'..to me these days than I am to him.'
0:28:25 > 0:28:28When I first met him, he used to be, like, the...
0:28:29 > 0:28:36..guy up there somewhere who you often couldn't communicate with
0:28:36 > 0:28:41unless you had a baked-bean can and a piece of string or something.
0:28:41 > 0:28:43But, no, he was hard to get through to
0:28:43 > 0:28:46if you weren't on his wavelength
0:28:46 > 0:28:50so I've seen him when he was really heavily into the dope,
0:28:50 > 0:28:54which everyone knows about, and now that he's not,
0:28:54 > 0:28:57he makes me feel guilty, you know.
0:28:57 > 0:29:02If I have too much to drink, he's like, "Oh, Woody, keep it together."
0:29:02 > 0:29:04"Oh, my God."
0:29:04 > 0:29:07Do you have any ambitions left after 20 years with the Stones
0:29:07 > 0:29:10or has that fulfilled most of it? I never had any...
0:29:11 > 0:29:15..definite ambitions in the first place.
0:29:17 > 0:29:21I guess the one, if there is a general one, it's connected
0:29:21 > 0:29:27with the band in that we're still trying to make the Stones...
0:29:29 > 0:29:31..a better band, we're still trying to get better,
0:29:31 > 0:29:35and I guess we all think we are because we wouldn't get these guys
0:29:35 > 0:29:39to do it if they thought that they'd reached the point of no return,
0:29:39 > 0:29:41if it was just there, you know,
0:29:41 > 0:29:45"Oh, here we go, let's just do the Rolling Stones."
0:29:45 > 0:29:49They go on every night, I know every one of them does,
0:29:49 > 0:29:52with the idea of making this show
0:29:52 > 0:29:55a little bit better than the one before...
0:29:55 > 0:29:58which is admirable, I think.
0:29:58 > 0:30:01They're very good boys... HE CHUCKLES
0:30:01 > 0:30:02..in a way.
0:30:03 > 0:30:08What would you do if the Stones, or when the Stones, as they must,
0:30:08 > 0:30:09eventually broke up?
0:30:11 > 0:30:14Well, I don't know... Just keep playing?
0:30:14 > 0:30:17I actually read something the other day which said
0:30:17 > 0:30:22after the first Scottish gigs, which sort of suggested that there was now
0:30:22 > 0:30:27no reason why the Stones couldn't beat Sinatra and Bing Crosby,
0:30:27 > 0:30:32which I thought was an amazing kind of comparison...
0:30:32 > 0:30:34But you see, the thing is, with rock 'n' roll,
0:30:34 > 0:30:38is that nobody's ever done it that long enough for the idea of...
0:30:38 > 0:30:43older people to play it, you know,
0:30:43 > 0:30:47which no doubt people thought about jazz in the '20s.
0:30:48 > 0:30:50It would be inconceivable...
0:30:50 > 0:30:53Nobody thought that Louis Armstrong could keep going more than...
0:30:53 > 0:30:54Exactly. ..25 or 30.
0:30:54 > 0:30:57But I mean, I played with Muddy Waters, for instance,
0:30:57 > 0:31:00in Chicago, and he's no young guy any more
0:31:00 > 0:31:03but he's playing as good as anybody, and if he can do it, sure I can...
0:31:05 > 0:31:07..given the few obvious things
0:31:07 > 0:31:11like not having my hands chopped off or anything like that.
0:31:11 > 0:31:13STATIC CRACKLES
0:31:17 > 0:31:21MUSIC: Love Overdue by Keith Richards
0:31:23 > 0:31:25# Listen, darling
0:31:31 > 0:31:36# Who's gonna hold and squeeze me tight
0:31:38 > 0:31:42# Now that she's gone out of my life?
0:31:45 > 0:31:51# Who's gonna make me feel the way she used to do
0:31:51 > 0:31:56# Now that my love is overdue?
0:31:58 > 0:32:02# Now that my love is overdue
0:32:04 > 0:32:08# I'm all alone in the wilderness
0:32:11 > 0:32:15# Searching to find some peace and rest
0:32:17 > 0:32:19# She wasn't the best girl
0:32:19 > 0:32:22# But she brought happiness into my world
0:32:24 > 0:32:29# And now I'm a prisoner of loneliness
0:32:29 > 0:32:30# Yeah
0:32:30 > 0:32:35# Now I'm a prisoner of loneliness
0:32:37 > 0:32:40# Now I'm a prisoner That's what I am
0:32:40 > 0:32:43# Now I'm a prisoner Mm-hm
0:32:43 > 0:32:47# Now I'm a prisoner of loneliness
0:32:54 > 0:32:56# Listen, darling
0:33:03 > 0:33:07# Whose voice is gonna say goodnight
0:33:09 > 0:33:14# Now that she's gone out of my sight?
0:33:16 > 0:33:23# Who's gonna tell me lies and let me think they're true
0:33:23 > 0:33:27# Now that my love is overdue?
0:33:29 > 0:33:34# Now that my love is overdue
0:33:36 > 0:33:40# Now that my love is overdue
0:33:45 > 0:33:49# I just don't know what to do, honey, yeah
0:33:53 > 0:33:55# Stop making me blue
0:33:59 > 0:34:02# Making me blue Stop it, babe
0:34:02 > 0:34:06# Now I'm a prisoner Yeah
0:34:06 > 0:34:08# Stop making Me blue
0:34:08 > 0:34:12# Now I'm a prisoner
0:34:12 > 0:34:15# Yes, I'm a prisoner Making me blue
0:34:15 > 0:34:19# Now I'm a prisoner Just stop making me blue
0:34:19 > 0:34:21# Making me blue
0:34:21 > 0:34:25# Now I'm a prisoner
0:34:25 > 0:34:28# Stop it, baby Making me blue. #
0:34:28 > 0:34:31People are more interesting at night.
0:34:31 > 0:34:34In the daytime, it's just the grind, you know,
0:34:34 > 0:34:39and it's at night-time that people, whoever they are
0:34:39 > 0:34:44and wherever they come from, relax, express themselves more openly.
0:34:44 > 0:34:48MUSIC: Mal Eleve by Raoul Guillaume Et Son Group
0:35:28 > 0:35:31There are rhythms and sounds to the night that you're not going
0:35:31 > 0:35:35to get in the day and it depends where you are in the world
0:35:35 > 0:35:37but in the Caribbean, for instance,
0:35:37 > 0:35:40I mean, those frogs start honking and those cicadas -
0:35:40 > 0:35:43that's a whole different kind of music and a different rhythm,
0:35:43 > 0:35:46you know, and you get affected by it.