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0:00:09 > 0:00:12I was in my office at work...
0:00:13 > 0:00:16..and I got a call, from an international number.
0:00:16 > 0:00:17I always answer...
0:00:17 > 0:00:18For the last three years,
0:00:18 > 0:00:20when it was an international call, I would answer it. And, uh...
0:00:20 > 0:00:22it was a reporter in Dublin...
0:00:24 > 0:00:26..wanted a reaction to the story.
0:00:27 > 0:00:28I said, reaction for what?
0:00:30 > 0:00:33And they were really caught back by that question, obviously.
0:00:35 > 0:00:39I said, I'll call you back in five minutes. And so then I went online.
0:00:41 > 0:00:43I saw the picture.
0:00:48 > 0:00:50It's not the way you want to find out.
0:01:15 > 0:01:19Name the sports newspaper that hit US newsstands in 1990.
0:01:19 > 0:01:21- BLEEP - James?- The National?
0:01:21 > 0:01:22- It was. - APPLAUSE
0:01:40 > 0:01:43Ladies and gentlemen, please help me welcome Mr James Foley.
0:01:43 > 0:01:44APPLAUSE
0:01:49 > 0:01:51Thanks for that generous,
0:01:51 > 0:01:54overly generous... LAUGHTER
0:01:54 > 0:01:55..introduction.
0:01:55 > 0:01:59I'm definitely not a hero, or noble, or anything.
0:01:59 > 0:02:01I'm just...
0:02:01 > 0:02:03trying to do my work.
0:02:03 > 0:02:05And...got into a little bit of trouble.
0:02:10 > 0:02:14I arrived in Benghazi, mid-March.
0:02:14 > 0:02:17And the night I arrived, I heard nothing but bombs and gunfire.
0:02:19 > 0:02:21I wondered, what's going on?
0:02:21 > 0:02:23Another journalist said, the bombs, that is Gelatina,
0:02:23 > 0:02:25that's how they fish.
0:02:26 > 0:02:27LAUGHTER
0:02:27 > 0:02:29Blow the fish up!
0:02:29 > 0:02:32And the gunfire, no, that's celebratory gunfire.
0:02:32 > 0:02:34HEAVY MACHINE GUN FIRE
0:02:38 > 0:02:41I think in some ways Libya WAS a turning point for Jim.
0:02:42 > 0:02:46You know, I was starting to see his trying to figure out where
0:02:46 > 0:02:47he belonged in the world.
0:02:47 > 0:02:50And he wanted to write, and he loved people,
0:02:50 > 0:02:52and liked to interact,
0:02:52 > 0:02:54tell people's stories.
0:02:54 > 0:02:58So when Jim decided he wanted to go into journalism from teaching,
0:02:58 > 0:03:00at first we thought, that would be good,
0:03:00 > 0:03:02maybe that'll be a better fit, Jim.
0:03:02 > 0:03:05But when he decided to do conflict journalism...
0:03:05 > 0:03:06SHE SIGHS
0:03:06 > 0:03:09..you know, that was a whole different deal.
0:03:09 > 0:03:11He didn't exactly tell us.
0:03:11 > 0:03:12HE CHUCKLES
0:03:12 > 0:03:15He graduated from Medill,
0:03:15 > 0:03:17and we said, Jim, what are you going to do?
0:03:17 > 0:03:19And he said, well, I'm... I'm working on it.
0:03:21 > 0:03:24He came back to my house, and he told me. He was like...
0:03:25 > 0:03:28"Hey, John, I'm thinking about going to Libya."
0:03:31 > 0:03:33Jim, that's a horrible idea.
0:03:34 > 0:03:37Absolutely a horrible idea.
0:03:38 > 0:03:40If you go over there...
0:03:42 > 0:03:43..no-one's coming for you.
0:03:44 > 0:03:46Why would you put your life in danger?
0:03:46 > 0:03:48We're dropping bombs over there.
0:03:48 > 0:03:51And God forbid, if you go over there, and...
0:03:51 > 0:03:53- HE CHUCKLES - ..we accidentally kill you!
0:03:53 > 0:03:55I mean...why?
0:03:58 > 0:04:00Why?
0:04:03 > 0:04:05Libya was very exciting as a journalist because you had this
0:04:05 > 0:04:08chance to talk directly to people, to see exactly what was going on.
0:04:09 > 0:04:12But it was also extremely dangerous.
0:04:14 > 0:04:16I was actually talking to one of my buddies,
0:04:16 > 0:04:19boasting about my brother, Jim,
0:04:19 > 0:04:20and how he is this journalist
0:04:20 > 0:04:22and is like super crazy,
0:04:22 > 0:04:24but like badass at the same time. You know?
0:04:24 > 0:04:26I was like, yeah, my brother's a badass.
0:04:26 > 0:04:28You know, he's crazy, he's awesome.
0:04:28 > 0:04:29I also was very naive myself,
0:04:29 > 0:04:31I didn't know exactly what that would mean,
0:04:31 > 0:04:32I didn't know he was actually
0:04:32 > 0:04:33going to be immersed
0:04:33 > 0:04:35in actual, like, crossfire.
0:04:35 > 0:04:37There's snipers in this building...
0:04:37 > 0:04:39EXPLOSIONS
0:04:39 > 0:04:41We have decided to go in.
0:04:41 > 0:04:42It's heavy fighting.
0:04:42 > 0:04:45This is Jim Foley, reporting from downtown Benghazi,
0:04:45 > 0:04:46Revolutionary Square, Global Post.
0:04:49 > 0:04:53Jim was there at the early stage of this movement
0:04:53 > 0:04:55of there being more freelancers
0:04:55 > 0:04:57in conflict areas.
0:04:59 > 0:05:03The world has changed so much in terms of digital publishing,
0:05:03 > 0:05:07and newspapers started to eliminate things
0:05:07 > 0:05:09that they didn't see as essential.
0:05:10 > 0:05:13International coverage dwindled down to very little.
0:05:13 > 0:05:16So we saw an opportunity to fill that void,
0:05:16 > 0:05:18and we needed to work with freelancers.
0:05:20 > 0:05:23Freelancers decide to work together just on the basis of
0:05:23 > 0:05:27this initial quick-read chemistry.
0:05:27 > 0:05:29I saw this new guy,
0:05:29 > 0:05:31who I hadn't met before,
0:05:31 > 0:05:33he looked friendly enough, so I said, hey, what's up?
0:05:33 > 0:05:36He said, oh, not much, going to the front line.
0:05:36 > 0:05:39And he'd heard a lot about Libya,
0:05:39 > 0:05:42and the fact that it was very cheap to work,
0:05:42 > 0:05:46rebels and protesters were eager to show us their side of the story,
0:05:46 > 0:05:48you know, they driving us all over for free,
0:05:48 > 0:05:51they were translating for us for free.
0:05:51 > 0:05:55I'd seen Jim talking to a few other journalists,
0:05:55 > 0:05:57and he was just really friendly with everybody.
0:05:57 > 0:05:59It was unusual, in a place like that.
0:05:59 > 0:06:01There's still an edge of competitiveness in that environment
0:06:01 > 0:06:04whereas Jim, was just,
0:06:04 > 0:06:05like, yeah, whatever.
0:06:05 > 0:06:07He gave off a really good first impression.
0:06:07 > 0:06:10And, you know, it helps that he's like a super good-looking guy,
0:06:10 > 0:06:12and I was just, who is this guy?!
0:06:12 > 0:06:13- Who are you?! - LAUGHTER
0:06:21 > 0:06:22HE GROANS
0:06:39 > 0:06:41Jim had a high tolerance for danger.
0:06:41 > 0:06:43EXPLOSION
0:06:43 > 0:06:44Shit!
0:06:44 > 0:06:46I mean, sure, he was drawn to that. All of us are, in a way.
0:06:49 > 0:06:54The fact that he stayed so calm made it easy to feel calm
0:06:54 > 0:06:55in that situation.
0:06:55 > 0:06:58But of course, sometimes I was just like, well, that's crazy,
0:06:58 > 0:06:59I'm not going there with you!
0:07:03 > 0:07:04It was one of those mornings
0:07:04 > 0:07:06where we decided we were going to get out there early,
0:07:06 > 0:07:09we wanted to get a fresh look at the front lines.
0:07:09 > 0:07:13It was myself, Clare Gillis, Manu Brabo and Anton Hammerl,
0:07:13 > 0:07:15a South African photojournalist.
0:07:17 > 0:07:19This was something common that some reporters did,
0:07:19 > 0:07:22freelancers like myself that didn't have big budgets.
0:07:22 > 0:07:24We jump in with the rebels.
0:07:24 > 0:07:27And it was at your own risk if you wanted to go further or not.
0:07:29 > 0:07:33Got to the point where we saw another group of rebels saying,
0:07:33 > 0:07:35Gaddafi forces, 300 metres away.
0:07:35 > 0:07:38And myself, looking at Clare, like, pfft, that's impossible.
0:07:39 > 0:07:43And I remember Anton turning to me and saying, hey, this isn't safe.
0:07:44 > 0:07:46But we didn't turn around.
0:07:48 > 0:07:50And we said, well, let's get off the road, anyways.
0:07:51 > 0:07:53Well, that was the exact wrong thing to do.
0:07:54 > 0:07:59Two heavily armed Gaddafi pick-up trucks came over that rise, firing.
0:07:59 > 0:08:00MACHINE GUNS ROARING
0:08:02 > 0:08:05I remember so clearly the sound of it, the volume of it,
0:08:05 > 0:08:08the sound of something eating metal.
0:08:10 > 0:08:12And I remember hoping against hope
0:08:12 > 0:08:15that there would be some kind of out out of this,
0:08:15 > 0:08:18there would be some kind of trap door...in time.
0:08:22 > 0:08:25I crawled back to the sand dune,
0:08:25 > 0:08:27Anton was at the other sand dune in front of me.
0:08:27 > 0:08:28I heard him call for help.
0:08:30 > 0:08:34It appeared he was cut across the midsection with AK fire,
0:08:34 > 0:08:35and it was a serious amount of blood.
0:08:35 > 0:08:38He had already lost consciousness, and probably already died.
0:08:43 > 0:08:45A group of young soldiers approached me,
0:08:45 > 0:08:47and we were thrown in the back of a truck.
0:08:48 > 0:08:52I remember getting photographed with a cellphone.
0:08:53 > 0:08:56And thinking, this is where they find all these photographs
0:08:56 > 0:08:58that are evidence of war crimes someday.
0:08:58 > 0:09:00And realising, this is me now.
0:09:09 > 0:09:10I was with my mother.
0:09:10 > 0:09:14We were out to lunch, and I received a phone call.
0:09:14 > 0:09:16And...
0:09:16 > 0:09:18that's how we first heard, you know?
0:09:18 > 0:09:23I think I was in denial about how dangerous this really was, Brian.
0:09:24 > 0:09:26I was furious.
0:09:28 > 0:09:30Just furious.
0:09:30 > 0:09:32Scared for him. Furious.
0:09:32 > 0:09:36Hate to revisit, but just, like, I told you, Jim!
0:09:37 > 0:09:41I think we all went through the stages of total shock,
0:09:41 > 0:09:42you know, and then...
0:09:42 > 0:09:44just...
0:09:44 > 0:09:45what are we going to do?
0:09:45 > 0:09:47And then anger...
0:09:47 > 0:09:48After all, we're family, you know?
0:09:52 > 0:09:56You're so humble, you lost everything.
0:09:56 > 0:09:57Your freedom.
0:09:57 > 0:09:59Your control.
0:09:59 > 0:10:02Your ability to talk to anybody, and tell anybody you're OK.
0:10:02 > 0:10:05Thinking one minute, oh, yeah, I'm a foreign correspondent!
0:10:05 > 0:10:08And the next minute, somebody who you respect,
0:10:08 > 0:10:09killed,
0:10:09 > 0:10:11and you have nothing.
0:10:15 > 0:10:20Jim was concerned that his own competitiveness
0:10:20 > 0:10:23with Manu, with Anton, with himself,
0:10:23 > 0:10:27his own sort of macho aggressiveness,
0:10:27 > 0:10:31had driven him to make decisions that were not the best decisions.
0:10:32 > 0:10:35Every day I have to deal with the fact that
0:10:35 > 0:10:39Anton is not going to ever see his three kids any more.
0:10:39 > 0:10:41And I was part of that decision-making process...
0:10:44 > 0:10:48..that took him away, that took him away from his kids and his wife.
0:11:03 > 0:11:05And I had a lot of time to play over those moments,
0:11:05 > 0:11:08especially that one day when we were captured.
0:11:08 > 0:11:11I tried to question myself. What are you reporting on?
0:11:11 > 0:11:12What is this all about?
0:11:13 > 0:11:16It was quickly apparent that this was about
0:11:16 > 0:11:19being what you think is an authentic conflict correspondent,
0:11:19 > 0:11:21seeing the front line,
0:11:21 > 0:11:24and it not being enough to just see it from a distance,
0:11:24 > 0:11:26but to push it to the next level.
0:11:26 > 0:11:28You were basically waiting to get shelled,
0:11:28 > 0:11:31and the question is...why?
0:11:32 > 0:11:34You know... why are you doing this?
0:11:37 > 0:11:39It's a nightmare, each day becomes harder,
0:11:39 > 0:11:41you know, with the lacking information.
0:11:41 > 0:11:44We know he's in Tripoli, we believe he's in a detention centre,
0:11:44 > 0:11:47we really don't know much more beyond that.
0:11:48 > 0:11:51We organised this huge group of Jimmy's friends,
0:11:51 > 0:11:53we called them FOJs, Friends Of Jim.
0:11:53 > 0:11:54We had a lot of outside help,
0:11:54 > 0:11:56but Michael was sort of the CEO of the group.
0:11:56 > 0:11:59His statement was, you know, there are no measurables
0:11:59 > 0:12:00other than getting Jim home.
0:12:01 > 0:12:04Our biggest fear is that it becomes yesterday's story,
0:12:04 > 0:12:06and people forget about it.
0:12:06 > 0:12:09We love Jim and we miss him. We want him home.
0:12:12 > 0:12:14After successful diplomatic negotiations,
0:12:14 > 0:12:16two American journalists and a Spanish journalist
0:12:16 > 0:12:17are finally going home
0:12:17 > 0:12:20after being kidnapped and detained by the Libyan government forces
0:12:20 > 0:12:21for 44 days.
0:12:27 > 0:12:30- KATIE:- All the family and friends were all together, waiting for them.
0:12:33 > 0:12:37And all of a sudden, we see these blue lights just rushing at us.
0:12:37 > 0:12:39SIREN APPROACHING
0:12:39 > 0:12:43We're like, oh, my God, this is Jim, he's, like, actually here.
0:12:43 > 0:12:45I don't know, it was like a movie.
0:12:45 > 0:12:47He was just so happy to see everybody!
0:13:02 > 0:13:04You have a close call.
0:13:04 > 0:13:06That's pure luck that you didn't get killed, there.
0:13:07 > 0:13:10It is not worth seeing your mother, father bawling,
0:13:10 > 0:13:12and worrying about your grandmother dying,
0:13:12 > 0:13:15because you're in prison, it's not worth these things.
0:13:17 > 0:13:19And outside, in my parents' home,
0:13:19 > 0:13:21in, you know, a comfortable house in New Hampshire,
0:13:21 > 0:13:23I sort of had to start processing.
0:13:23 > 0:13:27I was horrified to learn how much my friends and family had done
0:13:27 > 0:13:29to help me. I was inspired and I was horrified.
0:13:29 > 0:13:32It was a weird feeling of like going to your own funeral, you know?
0:13:35 > 0:13:38There's no going back from something like this.
0:13:40 > 0:13:42Some of the things I'll never be able to change,
0:13:42 > 0:13:43but I wish, I wish that I could.
0:13:53 > 0:13:55What are we going to do?
0:13:55 > 0:13:57That's Jim's blazer from when he spoke at Marquette. This brown one.
0:14:00 > 0:14:02We'll just have to go through.
0:14:04 > 0:14:07Yeah, so Jim lived with us for what, three months?
0:14:07 > 0:14:09Summer, summer after he was released from Libya.
0:14:11 > 0:14:12That was his bed, right there.
0:14:12 > 0:14:14He would always...
0:14:14 > 0:14:16crash out there.
0:14:16 > 0:14:17It was cool having Jim here,
0:14:17 > 0:14:18especially after him
0:14:18 > 0:14:19having been gone in Libya,
0:14:19 > 0:14:21because...
0:14:21 > 0:14:22I think when he came back...
0:14:23 > 0:14:25You know, like, you just wanted to touch him a lot,
0:14:25 > 0:14:28because, I don't know, for me, it was like, poke him,
0:14:28 > 0:14:30just make sure he's real, and it was almost...
0:14:30 > 0:14:33- You're just more appreciative of him.- Right.
0:14:33 > 0:14:34And especially with the kids, you know,
0:14:34 > 0:14:37getting to have him here, because he was always on the go.
0:14:37 > 0:14:38BURBLING AND LAUGHING
0:14:44 > 0:14:46When Jim came back from Libya,
0:14:46 > 0:14:48I offered him a full-time job,
0:14:48 > 0:14:49here, as an editor...
0:14:50 > 0:14:54..while he sorted out what he would do next,
0:14:54 > 0:14:57and he sat right outside my office.
0:14:59 > 0:15:01He was grateful to have the job,
0:15:01 > 0:15:06but...working in an office was clearly not what he...
0:15:06 > 0:15:08what he liked the most.
0:15:09 > 0:15:10He was quiet.
0:15:11 > 0:15:14I don't want to say he was withdrawn,
0:15:14 > 0:15:16but he was quiet.
0:15:18 > 0:15:21And I just remember, like, Brad, my fiance, and Jim
0:15:21 > 0:15:23were in the basement,
0:15:23 > 0:15:27and Brad doesn't even remember a time when Jim was sleeping.
0:15:27 > 0:15:30You know, after the family had kind of settled down,
0:15:30 > 0:15:32Jim just went right to business, right to work.
0:15:33 > 0:15:37We had found him a very good psychologist to talk to.
0:15:37 > 0:15:41But he seemed so well, if you will...
0:15:41 > 0:15:42that we didn't push it.
0:15:42 > 0:15:45But he was so restless here at home, he didn't want to be at home.
0:15:50 > 0:15:52Feeling like you survived something,
0:15:52 > 0:15:56there's a strange sort of force that you are drawn back to.
0:15:56 > 0:15:58I think that's the absolute reality.
0:16:06 > 0:16:09I believe that front line journalism is important.
0:16:09 > 0:16:13Without these photos and videos and first-hand experience,
0:16:13 > 0:16:17we can't really...tell the world
0:16:17 > 0:16:19how bad it might be.
0:16:19 > 0:16:20SHE SINGS SWEETLY
0:16:25 > 0:16:27HUGE BOOM
0:16:27 > 0:16:28CLATTERING OF DEBRIS
0:16:29 > 0:16:30SILENCE
0:16:33 > 0:16:35James Foley joins us now live
0:16:35 > 0:16:37from inside northern Syria,
0:16:37 > 0:16:39with more on what he saw.
0:16:39 > 0:16:42Tell us more about what you were able to witness.
0:16:42 > 0:16:43Yes, thank you.
0:16:43 > 0:16:46You've heard about indiscriminate shelling,
0:16:46 > 0:16:49but to see those bodies left over from a direct mortar hit
0:16:49 > 0:16:50was really shocking.
0:16:51 > 0:16:56It seemed like he started thinking about going to Syria
0:16:56 > 0:16:58and by the time he mentioned it,
0:16:58 > 0:17:01it was like he'd already kind of made up his mind.
0:17:03 > 0:17:06And he said he was going with John Cantlie,
0:17:06 > 0:17:08who's another colleague, British photojournalist,
0:17:08 > 0:17:11that we'd all met in Libya the year before.
0:17:12 > 0:17:13What's your name?
0:17:13 > 0:17:15- Jim. - John.
0:17:15 > 0:17:17Jim and John!
0:17:17 > 0:17:19Johnny! You say, I love you! You say.
0:17:19 > 0:17:21LAUGHTER
0:17:21 > 0:17:27I don't know, I really didn't... REALLY get into it with Jim.
0:17:27 > 0:17:29I think I made it too easy for him.
0:17:29 > 0:17:30I mean...
0:17:30 > 0:17:32You know, it was something he wanted to do.
0:17:32 > 0:17:35And so we were trying to be supportive
0:17:35 > 0:17:37about his decision to do that. You know?
0:17:40 > 0:17:43The last conversation I ever had with Jim, I said to him,
0:17:43 > 0:17:45like, Jim, man, why do you keep going back into Syria?
0:17:45 > 0:17:46Like, I mean, what's it like?
0:17:46 > 0:17:48And he's like, it's crazy, it's crazy.
0:17:48 > 0:17:49I'm like, well,
0:17:49 > 0:17:51is it more dangerous than Libya?
0:17:51 > 0:17:53He was, like, yeah it's more dangerous than Libya!
0:17:53 > 0:17:54I'm like, you got captured in Libya!
0:17:56 > 0:17:57You couldn't talk him out of it.
0:18:00 > 0:18:03Jim chose one story in particular about this hospital,
0:18:03 > 0:18:06the Dar Al Shifa hospital in Aleppo.
0:18:06 > 0:18:09It was actually Jim's idea to spend a week in that hospital
0:18:09 > 0:18:12documenting what the doctors and the staff there
0:18:12 > 0:18:14were doing on a daily basis.
0:18:23 > 0:18:25We become the intimate chroniclers of this conflict,
0:18:25 > 0:18:27we don't have bureaus to go back to,
0:18:27 > 0:18:30you're there and every moment of it,
0:18:30 > 0:18:31you share with the locals.
0:18:32 > 0:18:34And I think there was just this enormous guilt
0:18:34 > 0:18:36that rode on Jim's back
0:18:36 > 0:18:40that made him feel so compelled to do much more than
0:18:40 > 0:18:43just...record video and file it.
0:18:43 > 0:18:46There were times where he was offering up video for free.
0:18:46 > 0:18:48And I would chastise him for it, I'd be like, what are you doing?
0:18:48 > 0:18:51He was, like, nah, you know, whatever, it's fine, it's all good,
0:18:51 > 0:18:53I just want to make sure the video gets out there.
0:19:06 > 0:19:08There was one day in August
0:19:08 > 0:19:11when a Syrian activist was taking us around this neighbourhood
0:19:11 > 0:19:12called Bustan Al Kasa.
0:19:12 > 0:19:14SHOUTING
0:19:14 > 0:19:17And this fighter jet just started circling above
0:19:17 > 0:19:19and just swooped right down,
0:19:19 > 0:19:22and hit a building that was a couple of hundred feet from us.
0:19:22 > 0:19:24MACHINE GUNS ROAR
0:19:24 > 0:19:25DULL BOOM
0:19:28 > 0:19:30We started seeing the civilians coming out...
0:19:30 > 0:19:31SHOUTING
0:19:31 > 0:19:35..and just clutching nothing, really, just, you know, ashen faces.
0:19:35 > 0:19:37There was rubble everywhere.
0:19:37 > 0:19:38It was chaos.
0:19:38 > 0:19:40HE SHOUTS PLAINTIVELY
0:19:42 > 0:19:43And the plane came round again,
0:19:43 > 0:19:46dropped another bomb, really close by,
0:19:46 > 0:19:48and actually we were right across the building.
0:19:48 > 0:19:51And we looked up and we could see the rubble start coming down.
0:19:56 > 0:20:01That bomb had hit a family...of...seven.
0:20:06 > 0:20:08Who was killed?
0:20:09 > 0:20:10Who?
0:20:14 > 0:20:16It was horrific in the scale of it,
0:20:16 > 0:20:17but also, just...
0:20:17 > 0:20:21I think nothing prepares you for seeing kids being killed and maimed
0:20:21 > 0:20:22in that way.
0:20:22 > 0:20:25And I know that Jim really loves kids, so, you know, we were both...
0:20:27 > 0:20:28We didn't say anything,
0:20:28 > 0:20:32until we got to the field hospital where they were bringing the bodies,
0:20:32 > 0:20:36and we were both in this mode of...
0:20:36 > 0:20:38just needing to get the pictures out.
0:20:38 > 0:20:41I think when we were finished that night, though,
0:20:41 > 0:20:43we kind of like sat down, and lit a cigarette, and...
0:20:44 > 0:20:46..we just started talking about it.
0:20:46 > 0:20:49Really there wasn't very much to say, though. You know, like...
0:20:49 > 0:20:52What is there to talk about when you witness something like that?
0:20:53 > 0:20:54So we just sort of sat in silence.
0:21:01 > 0:21:03The shine was starting to come off, in a way.
0:21:04 > 0:21:07There was a period of time where journalists
0:21:07 > 0:21:08were welcomed with open arms,
0:21:08 > 0:21:12because they had seen what had happened in Libya,
0:21:12 > 0:21:14and when that didn't come about, after a year,
0:21:14 > 0:21:16after a year and a half,
0:21:16 > 0:21:17after two years...
0:21:17 > 0:21:19it's just like, OK, what are you guys doing?
0:21:19 > 0:21:21I mean, I had a doctor tell me at the hospital,
0:21:21 > 0:21:24he was like, look, you guys are in and out of here since one year
0:21:24 > 0:21:27and it's the same exact thing, except it's worse.
0:21:27 > 0:21:29I don't want to talk to you!
0:21:31 > 0:21:36If the populace on the ground whose side you're documenting
0:21:36 > 0:21:39is...getting more uneasy with you,
0:21:39 > 0:21:41or less willing to help...
0:21:41 > 0:21:42You're very dependent on
0:21:42 > 0:21:45the goodwill of the people you're around.
0:22:13 > 0:22:16They warned journalists, they were like, Al-Qaeda's coming,
0:22:16 > 0:22:18maybe even worse than Al-Qaeda's coming,
0:22:18 > 0:22:21and nobody is going to help us against the Assad regime,
0:22:21 > 0:22:23except for...these guys.
0:22:24 > 0:22:25So...it was all there.
0:22:30 > 0:22:34One of the main things I noticed the last time when he came out,
0:22:34 > 0:22:36he looked really hollow, and he was quite...
0:22:36 > 0:22:38quite silent.
0:22:38 > 0:22:42You know, he had that amazing room-brightening smile,
0:22:42 > 0:22:44even if he had seen terrible things,
0:22:44 > 0:22:45as one does.
0:22:45 > 0:22:47It was disheartening to see.
0:22:50 > 0:22:54I guess if I had any regrets, Brian, that I...
0:22:54 > 0:22:57regret that I found it difficult to communicate with Jim.
0:22:57 > 0:23:00I don't know if it's a male thing, you know, whatever it is,
0:23:00 > 0:23:04but I just wish I was able to share more of who I was with Jimmy,
0:23:04 > 0:23:06and get him to share who he was with me,
0:23:06 > 0:23:08which might have been just as difficult. You know?
0:23:10 > 0:23:14He was home, end of October, right before he went back to Syria,
0:23:14 > 0:23:15that last time.
0:23:15 > 0:23:17And he was going...
0:23:17 > 0:23:18I remember, he was leaving here,
0:23:18 > 0:23:21and he was going to New York to get a helmet from somebody.
0:23:21 > 0:23:22Which was good, we were like...
0:23:22 > 0:23:25Getting safety equipment, we like this.
0:23:25 > 0:23:28Yeah, I remember, we left him, we dropped him off at a train station.
0:23:28 > 0:23:31And, you know, we were going to see him in December,
0:23:31 > 0:23:33- he was supposed to come...- That's right, you have a good memory.
0:23:33 > 0:23:36He was supposed to come home mid-December.
0:23:36 > 0:23:38And, you know, we were like, be safe! You know? See you soon.
0:23:38 > 0:23:42- And...unfortunately, that didn't...- Yep.
0:23:42 > 0:23:43Yep.
0:23:49 > 0:23:50- SHE SNIFFS - Sorry.
0:23:50 > 0:23:52It's OK. I think that's enough.
0:23:58 > 0:24:00CRUNCHING OF FOOTSTEPS
0:24:06 > 0:24:09- NICOLE:- We'd spent the beginning of November in Aleppo again,
0:24:09 > 0:24:13with Jim, John Cantlie, and Mustapha, our translator,
0:24:13 > 0:24:15who's become a friend of ours.
0:24:15 > 0:24:18I had had some issues with my camera that week.
0:24:18 > 0:24:21So...I was like, Jim, I've got to go back to Istanbul.
0:24:21 > 0:24:23I'll see you guys in a week.
0:24:25 > 0:24:28You know, the moment when I said bye to Jim,
0:24:28 > 0:24:32I had this feeling of reluctance to leave.
0:24:33 > 0:24:34I think in a way,
0:24:34 > 0:24:37it maybe did upset the balance that he and I had shared for so long.
0:24:39 > 0:24:41There are superstitions when you're in a war zone.
0:24:41 > 0:24:42SHE CHUCKLES
0:24:44 > 0:24:47There was like this one thing that he and I shared,
0:24:47 > 0:24:49which was our lucky lighter.
0:24:49 > 0:24:51It's very common in the Middle East, it's, like, the evil eye,
0:24:51 > 0:24:53to ward off evil spirits, you know?
0:24:53 > 0:24:54We used it for everything,
0:24:54 > 0:24:57and for some reason it never ran out of lighter fluid.
0:24:57 > 0:24:58It's just like this stupid idea,
0:24:58 > 0:25:01you put your hopes into one object,
0:25:01 > 0:25:03to make it feel safe.
0:25:05 > 0:25:07I think about it a lot, afterwards,
0:25:07 > 0:25:09that he didn't have it with him.
0:25:11 > 0:25:14Maybe if I just gave him the lucky lighter
0:25:14 > 0:25:17everything would have turned out OK, I don't know.
0:25:19 > 0:25:24That day, I was in Reyhanli, which is the border town,
0:25:24 > 0:25:26and I would have seen him at about five.
0:25:27 > 0:25:31So I checked in, and I told Jim, I'm like, hey, you know, I'm here.
0:25:32 > 0:25:34So text me when you get in.
0:25:35 > 0:25:38You know, five o'clock rolls by, and I start to worry.
0:25:39 > 0:25:41Seven o'clock, eight o'clock rolls around,
0:25:41 > 0:25:43and I'm like, something is really wrong.
0:25:43 > 0:25:45So I called Mustapha,
0:25:45 > 0:25:49and the first thing he said to me was, "Nicole, I'm so sorry."
0:25:51 > 0:25:53"I didn't... I couldn't do anything."
0:25:53 > 0:25:56I was like, what are you talking about? What happened?
0:25:56 > 0:25:58He was like, "You know, we were coming. We were in the taxi.
0:25:58 > 0:26:00"We were coming to Turkey to meet you,
0:26:00 > 0:26:04"and this van with these four guys with guns,
0:26:04 > 0:26:06"they stopped us on the road.
0:26:06 > 0:26:08"And they told us to get out,
0:26:08 > 0:26:11"and they were pointing their guns at us and screaming.
0:26:11 > 0:26:15"And the gunmen made Mustapha tie up their hands,
0:26:15 > 0:26:18"and they put John and Jim into the back of their van."
0:26:21 > 0:26:25So I hung up, and I just started crying. I was like...
0:26:30 > 0:26:32I didn't know if I was going to see Jim again.
0:26:32 > 0:26:34And that was the first thought that came to my head.
0:26:40 > 0:26:42- JOHN SENIOR:- It's, like, almost surreal.
0:26:42 > 0:26:44This is a bad dream. It's not...
0:26:44 > 0:26:47It's not really happening, you know. It's not happening.
0:26:47 > 0:26:49This can't be. This can't happen.
0:26:49 > 0:26:50We can't do this again.
0:26:53 > 0:26:54HE SIGHS
0:26:55 > 0:26:56Yeah, it was...
0:26:56 > 0:26:59You know, and I dove in just like before,
0:26:59 > 0:27:02like, OK, it's going to be 45 to 100 days of hell,
0:27:02 > 0:27:03and then we'll have him back.
0:27:04 > 0:27:06In a matter of a week you could tell
0:27:06 > 0:27:07it was very different.
0:27:07 > 0:27:09A lot of misinformation,
0:27:09 > 0:27:10as opposed to last time in Libya.
0:27:10 > 0:27:12After a week went by,
0:27:12 > 0:27:13we knew where he was,
0:27:13 > 0:27:14who to deal with,
0:27:14 > 0:27:17so we just concentrated on the routes to get to one person.
0:27:17 > 0:27:19Here was a mystery right out of a crime show or something,
0:27:19 > 0:27:22where you're trying to piece together bits of information.
0:27:23 > 0:27:26For the next three weeks, there was just dead ends
0:27:26 > 0:27:28and false information,
0:27:28 > 0:27:31and rumours, and people being scared of talking
0:27:31 > 0:27:35because they had a suspicion of who, maybe, was responsible,
0:27:35 > 0:27:37and they didn't want to get entangled in it.
0:27:37 > 0:27:41- DIANE:- Phil Balboni offered to stand up a security team
0:27:41 > 0:27:43to try to find Jim,
0:27:43 > 0:27:47so all these people were trying so hard to get in place,
0:27:47 > 0:27:49but it was a very, very chaotic,
0:27:49 > 0:27:50confusing time.
0:27:53 > 0:27:54You're on eggshells.
0:27:54 > 0:27:56You're just waiting to hear.
0:27:56 > 0:27:57It's exhausting.
0:27:57 > 0:27:59And I know Jim felt guilty for that,
0:27:59 > 0:28:02and I'm not trying to make him feel more guilty.
0:28:03 > 0:28:07But it's just, it's just the toll that's taken by the families.
0:28:09 > 0:28:10BRIAN, DIRECTOR: What were the hurdles
0:28:10 > 0:28:12getting the White House and FBI involved?
0:28:12 > 0:28:14- MICHAEL:- It was very tough to get action.
0:28:14 > 0:28:16And I understand that, you know, the world's a big place.
0:28:16 > 0:28:22So I actually felt guilty sometimes, trying not to ask too much of them.
0:28:22 > 0:28:24You know, Jim made this decision, but, you know,
0:28:24 > 0:28:27just give it your best attention, and...we'll trust you.
0:28:27 > 0:28:30That's kind of where it started, the relationship.
0:28:31 > 0:28:34And then I met the first agent that came over...
0:28:35 > 0:28:38..and...just a kid, out of school.
0:28:38 > 0:28:39And his first question to me was,
0:28:39 > 0:28:42had I asked the regime for assistance?
0:28:42 > 0:28:43Are you fucking kidding me?
0:28:43 > 0:28:45Have I called the regime and ask them for assistance?
0:28:46 > 0:28:48No, I hadn't thought of that, thank you,
0:28:48 > 0:28:50thank you very much for that tip.
0:28:50 > 0:28:53They told us... They advised us to be quiet,
0:28:53 > 0:28:57because, hopefully, you know, they could find him and get him out,
0:28:57 > 0:28:59and such. So we didn't say anything.
0:28:59 > 0:29:02So we went through Christmas and all that, you know,
0:29:02 > 0:29:05not telling anyone but our closest family that Jim was missing.
0:29:07 > 0:29:10In some ways...it was better,
0:29:10 > 0:29:11because I didn't have to explain it.
0:29:12 > 0:29:14Cos at times it could feel like...
0:29:14 > 0:29:17accusatory, like, "Well, he WAS in Syria."
0:29:17 > 0:29:18That's not fair.
0:29:20 > 0:29:23You don't do that with police, or firemen, or someone like that,
0:29:23 > 0:29:24who do dangerous jobs.
0:29:24 > 0:29:26You don't say, well, you were in a fire,
0:29:26 > 0:29:27what did you think would happen?
0:29:27 > 0:29:30My friend doesn't need to explain why he's a journalist.
0:29:30 > 0:29:32- MC:- 4...3...2...
0:29:32 > 0:29:33Come the New Year,
0:29:33 > 0:29:35I couldn't stand it.
0:29:35 > 0:29:36I was frantic.
0:29:36 > 0:29:37- MC:- Happy New Year!
0:29:37 > 0:29:39So WE chose to go public.
0:29:40 > 0:29:44I appeal to the people who have Jim to give us some information
0:29:44 > 0:29:46in terms of his welfare, his health.
0:29:46 > 0:29:48It breaks my heart that
0:29:48 > 0:29:52the persons who have captured him
0:29:52 > 0:29:54don't understand his goodness.
0:29:55 > 0:29:58My personal feeling is that silence helps two people.
0:29:59 > 0:30:00One is the government.
0:30:00 > 0:30:03It doesn't push them to do more, sooner.
0:30:03 > 0:30:06And the captors, it allows them to do whatever they want.
0:30:07 > 0:30:12It's difficult now, with all the talk about the Islamic State,
0:30:12 > 0:30:16they've become so famous, or infamous,
0:30:16 > 0:30:21but the Islamic State, Isis, Isil, was on nobody's radar at the time.
0:30:22 > 0:30:25With a very high degree of confidence,
0:30:25 > 0:30:28we now believe that Jim was abducted by
0:30:28 > 0:30:30a pro-government militia group,
0:30:30 > 0:30:33and was subsequently turned over to Syrian government forces.
0:30:33 > 0:30:36This is the first time we've really heard anything like this,
0:30:36 > 0:30:39so we have hope, as John says.
0:30:39 > 0:30:40You know?
0:30:40 > 0:30:42Well, it turned out we were dead wrong about that.
0:30:44 > 0:30:46- MICHAEL:- All the information upfront
0:30:46 > 0:30:47was just a bunch of BS.
0:30:47 > 0:30:49No-one knew what the heck they were
0:30:49 > 0:30:51talking about, cos we had no access.
0:30:51 > 0:30:54That whole year, I don't care what anyone says, all the efforts,
0:30:54 > 0:30:55all the leads, all this and that...
0:30:57 > 0:30:59We were in the wrong area of the country.
0:30:59 > 0:31:02You know, and Syria's about the size of New England, maybe,
0:31:02 > 0:31:03a little smaller.
0:31:03 > 0:31:05So, here you go, Brian, go in to New England.
0:31:05 > 0:31:06Find Jim.
0:31:07 > 0:31:10I think the moment I'd learned that he'd been kidnapped,
0:31:10 > 0:31:12I was just like, this is going to be a really long process.
0:31:14 > 0:31:18But I'm going to do anything that I can in my power to get him home,
0:31:18 > 0:31:19because...
0:31:21 > 0:31:24..because I can't stand the thought of him being in a cell somewhere,
0:31:24 > 0:31:25cold and hungry,
0:31:25 > 0:31:28and I can't sit here and not try to look for him.
0:31:46 > 0:31:47My name is Daniel,
0:31:47 > 0:31:49and I'm a Danish photojournalist.
0:31:51 > 0:31:53I started as a gymnast...
0:31:54 > 0:31:57..and while I spent all my time in gyms all around the world
0:31:57 > 0:32:00during gymnastics, I got bored
0:32:00 > 0:32:01when I didn't do anything else,
0:32:01 > 0:32:03and I started to take pictures.
0:32:07 > 0:32:10I only planned to be inside Syria for two days.
0:32:12 > 0:32:14I had one day of work,
0:32:14 > 0:32:18when I walked around this small, quiet town.
0:32:20 > 0:32:21Yeah, it was spring.
0:32:22 > 0:32:24So the weather started to get better,
0:32:24 > 0:32:27and people seemed happy and relaxed.
0:32:29 > 0:32:34And we were told to go and speak to some guys in the area.
0:32:37 > 0:32:39Very calmly, we were sitting on sofas,
0:32:39 > 0:32:40they were offering tea.
0:32:41 > 0:32:43Everything was calm and quiet,
0:32:43 > 0:32:47even though I knew that something was...strange.
0:32:47 > 0:32:48Something was wrong.
0:32:49 > 0:32:51And then they just asked me to stand up.
0:32:51 > 0:32:56And they took off my glasses, and they're just, don't worry, Dan,
0:32:56 > 0:32:57this is just a procedure.
0:33:00 > 0:33:01That was how everything began.
0:33:01 > 0:33:02So, you know,
0:33:02 > 0:33:05a quiet Sunday, beautiful spring morning,
0:33:05 > 0:33:06became a nightmare for me.
0:33:15 > 0:33:19The longer you are hostage, the easier it becomes in some way.
0:33:19 > 0:33:21The better you get at it.
0:33:21 > 0:33:24I had, I think, like, one, one and a half months by myself.
0:33:24 > 0:33:28And after, I believe, two and a half months,
0:33:28 > 0:33:32I was put together with two other Westerners,
0:33:32 > 0:33:34and then we were put together, four.
0:33:34 > 0:33:37I think we were five together, and then seven together,
0:33:37 > 0:33:38and then came another one, eight.
0:33:39 > 0:33:41Then it just started to evolve.
0:33:52 > 0:33:53- DIDIER:- We were in that cell,
0:33:53 > 0:33:54British,
0:33:54 > 0:33:56Americans,
0:33:56 > 0:33:57French,
0:33:57 > 0:33:58Italian,
0:33:58 > 0:33:59German,
0:33:59 > 0:34:00Danish,
0:34:00 > 0:34:01Russian,
0:34:01 > 0:34:02Spanish.
0:34:02 > 0:34:03We were 19 at one stage.
0:35:41 > 0:35:45And one day, we had to sit faces to the wall, so...
0:35:45 > 0:35:48but I could see, like, under my arms.
0:35:48 > 0:35:50I could see some mattresses was moved in,
0:35:50 > 0:35:55and there came some guys in traditional Syrian clothes.
0:35:55 > 0:35:56And then they closed the door again,
0:35:56 > 0:35:58boom, the big metal door.
0:35:58 > 0:36:01And I looked up, and there was James and John Cantlie.
0:36:03 > 0:36:05And everybody was like, yay, welcome, welcome, welcome!
0:36:05 > 0:36:07You know, it's two new friends.
0:36:17 > 0:36:20You know, I created this picture in my head
0:36:20 > 0:36:22of this big, like, war journalist.
0:36:22 > 0:36:26And so I could only get disappointed in a way when he...
0:36:27 > 0:36:29I remember him being like... Er...
0:36:30 > 0:36:32"What's happening?"
0:36:32 > 0:36:34That was basically the first time I met him.
0:36:36 > 0:36:40But it was really different to be put together with James and John,
0:36:40 > 0:36:43because they've been together in prison for almost a year,
0:36:43 > 0:36:45when I first saw them.
0:36:45 > 0:36:48They was the most experienced of us,
0:36:48 > 0:36:50and I started from the beginning,
0:36:50 > 0:36:54and I think the whole group started to lean a little bit against them.
0:37:40 > 0:37:43James was very silent, most of the time.
0:37:43 > 0:37:45He was very good at listening.
0:37:46 > 0:37:48He managed to make the room bigger, in a way,
0:37:48 > 0:37:50by being small himself.
0:37:50 > 0:37:53And that is a very, very difficult thing to be.
0:37:53 > 0:37:57And you really want to scream in the head of everybody, like, fuck off!
0:39:11 > 0:39:15I remember, one time, James was asked to stand up the whole night...
0:39:16 > 0:39:18..in the middle of the room.
0:40:26 > 0:40:28Late at night,
0:40:28 > 0:40:29there was no light at all.
0:40:29 > 0:40:32So we was just sitting there in complete darkness.
0:40:33 > 0:40:36And that time really, really, really went slowly.
0:40:38 > 0:40:39What we did, James and I,
0:40:39 > 0:40:42we started to develop a way of...
0:40:42 > 0:40:45passing through these hours of darkness,
0:40:45 > 0:40:48by giving each other, like, massages.
0:40:49 > 0:40:52And it sounds maybe a little bit, you know...
0:40:54 > 0:40:56..strange, or gay, or whatever, but...
0:40:59 > 0:41:02But there was something... there was something nice about it.
0:41:03 > 0:41:04And James asked,
0:41:04 > 0:41:07"Can you teach me how to give, like, a real nice massage,
0:41:07 > 0:41:12"so when I get out and I meet a woman, I can really impress her?"
0:41:13 > 0:41:17So we started having these kind of lessons, you know?
0:41:17 > 0:41:21Our body had witnessed a lot of...trauma,
0:41:21 > 0:41:24and the fact that somebody is actually touching you,
0:41:24 > 0:41:26and it's a NICE feeling,
0:41:26 > 0:41:29for me it was a nice way to feel a little bit human again.
0:41:30 > 0:41:33And James, he never learned how to give a proper massage.
0:41:33 > 0:41:35It was awful every time,
0:41:35 > 0:41:36so he really...
0:41:36 > 0:41:39he really managed to get a good deal out of that one.
0:42:37 > 0:42:41I remember one time, we were given a lot of dates to eat.
0:42:41 > 0:42:43And at some point, we were moved,
0:42:43 > 0:42:48and you just don't leave food behind or destroy it or whatever.
0:42:48 > 0:42:51But sometimes, you have to do it because there's nowhere to put it.
0:43:10 > 0:43:12Then James just took out his pants,
0:43:12 > 0:43:14and he took out like two kilos of dates!
0:43:14 > 0:43:16You know, "Don't worry, guys!"
0:43:19 > 0:43:21He could have taken all the food by himself,
0:43:21 > 0:43:23later that night or whatever,
0:43:23 > 0:43:24but he always took the things
0:43:24 > 0:43:27so he could share it around, or give it to the people who didn't have it.
0:44:40 > 0:44:43In the beginning of James and John's captivity,
0:44:43 > 0:44:44they were really starved.
0:44:45 > 0:44:47They didn't like to talk about it,
0:44:47 > 0:44:49they didn't find it very interesting to talk about.
0:44:49 > 0:44:51But one thing I know was that...
0:44:55 > 0:44:57..that they really, really, really had a difficult time.
0:44:59 > 0:45:02But they managed to get back on track,
0:45:02 > 0:45:04to gain strength again.
0:45:06 > 0:45:10It was very interesting to see what happened between James and John,
0:45:10 > 0:45:14because they've been together for almost a year when I first saw them,
0:45:14 > 0:45:16that meant that they have spoken about
0:45:16 > 0:45:19every single thing there is to talk about.
0:45:19 > 0:45:22So I was basically the one starting to listen to
0:45:22 > 0:45:24all of James' story again.
0:45:29 > 0:45:31There was a period of time in the prison
0:45:31 > 0:45:35where we was not interrupted by the guards very often.
0:45:35 > 0:45:37And that meant that we could get a routine,
0:45:37 > 0:45:39so we worked out,
0:45:39 > 0:45:40we did trivias.
0:45:40 > 0:45:43We had lectures and stuff like this.
0:45:43 > 0:45:44We managed after, I don't know,
0:45:44 > 0:45:46three weeks, one month or so,
0:45:46 > 0:45:48to make this Risk game.
0:46:09 > 0:46:13We had a small bucket that we received some yoghurt in,
0:46:13 > 0:46:17and we cut out a piece of cardboard and we made three lines,
0:46:17 > 0:46:19and we put it in the bottom of the bucket.
0:46:19 > 0:46:23And then you should hold up a date seed and let it go.
0:46:23 > 0:46:25Plop. Let it fall down.
0:46:25 > 0:46:28And whatever it landed on, it would be that number.
0:46:28 > 0:46:30So that was our dice for the game.
0:46:42 > 0:46:45You know, take, like, ten journalists, war.
0:46:45 > 0:46:48Put them into one room and make them play the game
0:46:48 > 0:46:52about taking control over the world, you know?
0:46:52 > 0:46:54It's basically like putting gasoline to a bonfire.
0:47:28 > 0:47:31We started to have our own small world.
0:47:32 > 0:47:36That made everything much easier to survive, in a way.
0:47:36 > 0:47:38It was much easier to understand.
0:47:40 > 0:47:42We didn't have to think about economy,
0:47:42 > 0:47:45we didn't have to think about bank loans,
0:47:45 > 0:47:48or the prices of gas at the moment.
0:47:50 > 0:47:53You adapt into the situation.
0:47:53 > 0:47:57And then suddenly, this whole thing becomes a part of your life.
0:47:57 > 0:47:58And this is your life.
0:47:59 > 0:48:04When you look back on it, that's what I remember, our small society,
0:48:04 > 0:48:06where we really started to know each other.
0:48:06 > 0:48:09You know who made this fart,
0:48:09 > 0:48:11you can smell, this is the fart of you.
0:48:32 > 0:48:36I remember James' 40-year-old birthday.
0:48:36 > 0:48:38It was late at night, it was completely dark.
0:48:38 > 0:48:40James just... "Oh."
0:48:41 > 0:48:45"By the way...I turned 40 today."
0:48:45 > 0:48:46I was just, like, what?!
0:48:46 > 0:48:48So we sang a song for him,
0:48:48 > 0:48:52and I remember that we said we hope it will be a much better birthday
0:48:52 > 0:48:53next year.
0:49:12 > 0:49:14HE LAUGHS
0:49:28 > 0:49:30CHATTERING AND LAUGHTER
0:49:30 > 0:49:31Right here!
0:49:31 > 0:49:33One, two and three.
0:49:33 > 0:49:35Come on, smile! Please!
0:49:35 > 0:49:36Nine, good.
0:49:36 > 0:49:38We've been through a lot together.
0:49:38 > 0:49:41Michael has co-signed loans for me.
0:49:41 > 0:49:43LAUGHTER
0:49:43 > 0:49:45He's lent me his professional clothes.
0:49:45 > 0:49:46LAUGHTER
0:49:46 > 0:49:47His car.
0:49:47 > 0:49:48His dental plan.
0:49:48 > 0:49:50LAUGHTER
0:49:50 > 0:49:53I think sometimes we struggle to understand each other,
0:49:53 > 0:49:57and where exactly we're coming from, and why we do the things we do.
0:49:57 > 0:49:59Michael has entirely too much common sense.
0:49:59 > 0:50:01CHUCKLING
0:50:01 > 0:50:04And sometimes I have entirely too little common sense.
0:50:04 > 0:50:08We've somehow grown closer, despite the differences.
0:50:08 > 0:50:10And it's...
0:50:10 > 0:50:12I guess it's about being brothers.
0:50:14 > 0:50:16'I'd say the first 100, 150 days,
0:50:16 > 0:50:18'I was all in.
0:50:18 > 0:50:20'But I definitely retracted
0:50:20 > 0:50:21'pretty strongly after that.'
0:50:22 > 0:50:25I have a lot of regrets about not...
0:50:25 > 0:50:26not continuing full steam.
0:50:28 > 0:50:31I don't know if it was because I was trying to protect myself,
0:50:31 > 0:50:35or I was just trying to protect my family and, you know,
0:50:35 > 0:50:37give the kids the attention I have.
0:50:37 > 0:50:41You know, I could...argue that that's what Jim would prefer and...
0:50:41 > 0:50:44I don't know, there's all kinds of...excuses or reasons,
0:50:44 > 0:50:46but it's something I do feel terrible about.
0:50:48 > 0:50:50But then I got pulled right back into it very strongly
0:50:50 > 0:50:54and very immediately when the first e-mail came to me.
0:50:54 > 0:50:55"Hello.
0:50:55 > 0:51:00"We have James and want to negotiate for him. He is safe.
0:51:00 > 0:51:03"He's our friend, and we do not want to hurt him.
0:51:03 > 0:51:05"If you want cooperation, we have rules.
0:51:05 > 0:51:08"You cannot go to the media ever about this.
0:51:08 > 0:51:10"If you do, we will not negotiate.
0:51:10 > 0:51:12"We want money fast!"
0:51:12 > 0:51:14We shared everything we have with everybody.
0:51:14 > 0:51:16You know, FBI knew, security team knew, everyone knew.
0:51:16 > 0:51:19They said just keep them talking and all that.
0:51:19 > 0:51:22"They're just beginning the negotiations, we've got time,
0:51:22 > 0:51:23"just keep at it."
0:51:23 > 0:51:26So I, after coordinating with some officials, replied to them.
0:51:30 > 0:51:32"Please provide us with proof that you have Jim,
0:51:32 > 0:51:35"and we will be happy to work things out with you."
0:51:36 > 0:51:38We still didn't know who was holding him.
0:51:38 > 0:51:41It was obvious that they were people against the Assad regime.
0:51:41 > 0:51:44But they didn't identify themselves any more than that at all.
0:51:44 > 0:51:46They were very shrewd.
0:51:46 > 0:51:50And their e-mails, unfortunately, were totally undetectable.
0:51:50 > 0:51:53About a week goes by, and they responded.
0:51:53 > 0:51:56"James Wright Foley is being detained by us.
0:51:56 > 0:51:58"At this stage, no video or picture evidence of his wellbeing
0:51:58 > 0:52:01"will be provided until we see tangible progress
0:52:01 > 0:52:03"in your efforts to negotiate.
0:52:03 > 0:52:04"However, you will be allowed to ask
0:52:04 > 0:52:06"three questions of a personal nature
0:52:06 > 0:52:09"that nobody except James will know the answers to.
0:52:09 > 0:52:12"Our primary demand is that you use your influence to pressure
0:52:12 > 0:52:15"your government to release our Muslim prisoners,
0:52:15 > 0:52:18"who they have imprisoned whether innocent
0:52:18 > 0:52:20"or, 'guilty' according to 'your laws'.
0:52:20 > 0:52:23"If this fails to bear any fruits,
0:52:23 > 0:52:26"then our secondary demand is the sum of 100 million euros."
0:52:28 > 0:52:31FBI seemed to have their hands tied,
0:52:31 > 0:52:36because all they were able to do was OK our family e-mails.
0:52:36 > 0:52:41And...they really were unable to help us much with strategy.
0:52:41 > 0:52:43They just told us to be yourselves, be family.
0:52:43 > 0:52:47Tell them the truth is we can't release any prisoners.
0:52:47 > 0:52:49We certainly don't have 100 million euro.
0:52:50 > 0:52:54Michael came up with some questions I didn't know the answers to.
0:52:54 > 0:52:58But we sent those back to the captors.
0:52:59 > 0:53:01Then there was some brief comment.
0:53:01 > 0:53:05"It says, James was detained whilst operating as a 'journalist'".
0:53:06 > 0:53:07HE READS:
0:53:18 > 0:53:19But I was never in the air force.
0:53:19 > 0:53:21That was John.
0:53:25 > 0:53:26My brother Jim...
0:53:27 > 0:53:30..said that Mike was the air force officer.
0:53:32 > 0:53:34It may have been a typo, it may not have been,
0:53:34 > 0:53:38but I believe it was, you know, my big brother...
0:53:38 > 0:53:39trying to protect me.
0:53:41 > 0:53:42You know,
0:53:42 > 0:53:44you know you love your brothers, but...
0:53:45 > 0:53:47HE SWALLOWS TEARS
0:53:50 > 0:53:53But for him to put...be willing to put his life on the line,
0:53:53 > 0:53:54or his body on the line...
0:54:00 > 0:54:02- SHAKY:- ..for my protection, is significant.
0:54:28 > 0:54:31I mean, it's...it's...
0:54:39 > 0:54:41I think they came in with the proof of life for John.
0:54:41 > 0:54:44And then everybody else got their proof of lifes.
0:54:44 > 0:54:45Everybody came in like, yes!
0:54:45 > 0:54:46And were happy, and...
0:54:47 > 0:54:49But James didn't get his proof of life.
0:54:51 > 0:54:56Until one day that they came in and they asked James to follow.
0:54:57 > 0:54:59And when he came back, you know,
0:54:59 > 0:55:01he came with his arms over his head and...
0:55:02 > 0:55:05..he said that this was the best day of his life.
0:55:05 > 0:55:06And then him and John, they...
0:55:06 > 0:55:09they hugged each other and they were dancing around
0:55:09 > 0:55:11like they just won the big lottery.
0:55:14 > 0:55:17- DIANE:- That was early December of 2013.
0:55:17 > 0:55:19All the answers came back right on.
0:55:19 > 0:55:20We knew they had Jim.
0:55:20 > 0:55:24But by the end of December, they e-mailed us back and said,
0:55:24 > 0:55:26this is the last e-mail you'll get from us.
0:55:27 > 0:55:29And cut off communication.
0:55:31 > 0:55:32I mean, the first year,
0:55:32 > 0:55:35we just trusted that the government would have this in hand,
0:55:35 > 0:55:38and that despite our lack of information, et cetera,
0:55:38 > 0:55:40they had been through this before and they knew what to do.
0:55:40 > 0:55:42And, you know, we were in good hands.
0:55:43 > 0:55:46At the end of that year, we realised that nothing was being done,
0:55:46 > 0:55:47and that...
0:55:47 > 0:55:50we were really going to have to do something on our own.
0:56:00 > 0:56:04Diane was great about meeting with ambassadors in Washington
0:56:04 > 0:56:09from other countries that might have some influence.
0:56:10 > 0:56:13It turned out that no-one had any influence,
0:56:13 > 0:56:16because the group that had him didn't listen to anybody.
0:56:16 > 0:56:17But we didn't know that.
0:56:17 > 0:56:20It's kind of come as a surprise to a lot of us, this group, Isis,
0:56:20 > 0:56:23a group that we hadn't really heard much about. Who exactly are they?
0:56:23 > 0:56:26Well, it's a criminal, marauding gang.
0:56:26 > 0:56:27They come out of the original,
0:56:27 > 0:56:30very brutal Iraqi terror group.
0:56:31 > 0:56:33They're the worst. They're the worst of the worst.
0:56:34 > 0:56:37- CHUCKLING:- Washington doesn't know how to deal with it.
0:56:37 > 0:56:40How's this family in New England going to figure that out, right?!
0:56:40 > 0:56:42I mean, you're dealing with... pure evil.
0:56:43 > 0:56:46But a capable and organised group.
0:57:58 > 0:58:01They were very tough towards me also,
0:58:01 > 0:58:02but, no matter what,
0:58:02 > 0:58:04they meant freedom for me...
0:58:04 > 0:58:06because they were the ones negotiating for me.
0:58:08 > 0:58:12But James and John were destroyed by the Beatles in the beginning.
0:58:20 > 0:58:25- PIERRE:- He had this ability to escape the situation,
0:58:25 > 0:58:30to enjoy, you know, the sound of children playing outside.
0:58:34 > 0:58:39Or enjoy the view of just some sun entering through the window.
0:59:13 > 0:59:16James converted in the beginning of his captivity.
0:59:18 > 0:59:22And I know that was at the same period as
0:59:22 > 0:59:25he was getting really bad treatment.
0:59:27 > 0:59:28It gave a good routine.
0:59:29 > 0:59:32Normally we have a tradition of going into church every Sunday,
0:59:32 > 0:59:34but if you cannot do that,
0:59:34 > 0:59:36you need another way of feeling
0:59:36 > 0:59:38that you are doing something with your faith.
0:59:40 > 0:59:42And you can call it a surviving skills,
0:59:42 > 0:59:48you can call it just a way of being interested in another culture.
0:59:48 > 0:59:53What James used to say to me was that for him, God is the same.
1:00:22 > 1:00:24We had such great Christmases when the kids were little.
1:00:24 > 1:00:27Oh! Just wonderful, wonderful Christmases.
1:00:27 > 1:00:30And, you know, as they get older,
1:00:30 > 1:00:32and Jim's siblings married,
1:00:32 > 1:00:34they weren't always able to be home.
1:00:34 > 1:00:35But Jim was always home.
1:00:36 > 1:00:40Most of my memories of Jim culminate around the holidays.
1:00:40 > 1:00:43You know, they're playing at the video games, the board games,
1:00:43 > 1:00:45the ping-pong tournaments.
1:00:45 > 1:00:47The anything tournaments!
1:00:48 > 1:00:50CHATTERING AND CHUCKLING
1:00:50 > 1:00:54And you wake up, you open the gifts and you're like,
1:00:54 > 1:00:56"Oh crap, Jim has my name.
1:00:56 > 1:00:57"What's he going to give me?!"
1:00:57 > 1:00:59HE LAUGHS
1:00:59 > 1:01:01You know! So...
1:01:01 > 1:01:02I shouldn't say that.
1:01:03 > 1:01:05It's good times.
1:01:06 > 1:01:09And then the last Christmas he was home,
1:01:09 > 1:01:13I remember him like rolling on the floor with Michael's son Matty.
1:01:13 > 1:01:15He loved that kid.
1:01:15 > 1:01:17LAUGHTER
1:01:17 > 1:01:19There's a million Christmas stories, yeah.
1:01:25 > 1:01:28You know, it's difficult for us to celebrate Christmas in any way.
1:01:28 > 1:01:31And we didn't have any present to give each other.
1:01:31 > 1:01:36So we...we decided to sit down in a circle.
1:01:37 > 1:01:40And then we had to say something nice to each other.
1:01:41 > 1:01:43And I remember that I said to James that,
1:01:43 > 1:01:47"James, first time I met you was, you know, in this prison.
1:01:47 > 1:01:51"And you looked as confused as if you were just...
1:01:51 > 1:01:54"dumped down on the Earth from the Moon or something.
1:01:54 > 1:01:57"And you basically destroyed my whole idea
1:01:57 > 1:02:01"of this great war journalist, James Wright Foley.
1:02:01 > 1:02:05"And then suddenly I find out that you are...very clumsy,
1:02:05 > 1:02:07"you're very bad at sports."
1:02:09 > 1:02:12"But then again, you..."
1:02:13 > 1:02:14"You're the most..."
1:02:14 > 1:02:19I think I said to him, "You know, you're the most honest person.
1:02:19 > 1:02:25"There is no evil at all to find in you, James. You are pure good."
1:02:25 > 1:02:27"Sometimes too good.
1:02:27 > 1:02:30"And I'm really happy that I've met you."
1:02:34 > 1:02:36That was our Christmas night.
1:02:36 > 1:02:38When I went to bed that night,
1:02:38 > 1:02:41I really felt that I had the best Christmas night in my life.
1:03:40 > 1:03:41I mean, this is...
1:04:28 > 1:04:30So that's when I started to get more frantic.
1:04:30 > 1:04:31I mean, I thought,
1:04:31 > 1:04:36there's got to be some way to get the French and the US to talk.
1:04:36 > 1:04:37Didier!
1:04:37 > 1:04:39This is my husband, John.
1:04:40 > 1:04:43They were willing to share all kinds of things about Jim, personally,
1:04:43 > 1:04:46how he was, what they did.
1:04:46 > 1:04:47So I was starting to get all this hope.
1:04:47 > 1:04:51And they have a hostage crisis unit in Paris,
1:04:51 > 1:04:53and they were very generous with their time.
1:04:53 > 1:04:55So it was so different than what I was experiencing,
1:04:55 > 1:04:58so I was just kind of like, jeez, you know?
1:04:58 > 1:05:01Jim and the others, other Americans are as important as these guys,
1:05:01 > 1:05:02aren't they?
1:05:04 > 1:05:08And...it was the last night I was in Paris,
1:05:08 > 1:05:10and I got a phone call from John.
1:05:11 > 1:05:15And he said "Diane, we've had another e-mail from the captors."
1:05:15 > 1:05:18I thought, oh, great! What did they say?
1:05:19 > 1:05:21And that's when they threatened to kill Jim.
1:05:25 > 1:05:30But me, in my...cluelessness,
1:05:30 > 1:05:33I was just excited that they'd reached out to us.
1:05:34 > 1:05:37We had raised about 1 million in pledges.
1:05:37 > 1:05:39And I was so excited to hear from them.
1:05:39 > 1:05:42Cos we thought now we can tell them we have this money, and...
1:05:42 > 1:05:44I was just so clueless.
1:05:46 > 1:05:49We knew that paying a ransom was illegal.
1:05:49 > 1:05:51And we also knew that...
1:05:52 > 1:05:54..it wouldn't have stopped us.
1:05:54 > 1:05:57The Foleys were prepared to mortgage their house,
1:05:57 > 1:06:00and do what needed to be done to make a payment.
1:06:01 > 1:06:05I have a lot of evolving thoughts about this whole process,
1:06:05 > 1:06:10and what the government didn't do that it should have done.
1:06:11 > 1:06:12I mean...
1:06:13 > 1:06:15If you just look at the facts,
1:06:15 > 1:06:19there are 15 European hostages who are alive,
1:06:19 > 1:06:22and with their families and friends and loved ones today.
1:06:25 > 1:06:28I wish we'd started raising money sooner.
1:06:30 > 1:06:31I wish we'd negotiated,
1:06:31 > 1:06:34and I wish it had... turned out differently.
1:07:28 > 1:07:30In some sense, I was OK with the fact that he got captured
1:07:30 > 1:07:32because I knew that he was...
1:07:32 > 1:07:33doing what he wanted to do.
1:07:34 > 1:07:38You know, and as a good family member and as a good brother,
1:07:38 > 1:07:39I need to understand that.
1:07:41 > 1:07:43My mum did a great job in, you know,
1:07:43 > 1:07:46keeping the faith, and working as hard as she could,
1:07:46 > 1:07:48but...from the get-go, once it happened,
1:07:48 > 1:07:50I kind of felt like he was already gone.
1:07:56 > 1:07:59So, after a group of the other hostages was released,
1:07:59 > 1:08:03the Beatles, they came back the day after.
1:08:03 > 1:08:04And they...
1:08:07 > 1:08:10They beated the shit out of James and I.
1:08:12 > 1:08:14I think it's called a Charlie horse,
1:08:14 > 1:08:18when you put your knee into the legs of a person.
1:08:19 > 1:08:21And they did that to me and James,
1:08:21 > 1:08:24while we had to sit in stress position.
1:08:24 > 1:08:28I don't know how many they gave us, but it just continued and it was...
1:08:29 > 1:08:32Never tried anything that hurt so much in my entire life.
1:08:35 > 1:08:37And then they just left.
1:08:39 > 1:08:41And I was just laying there crying,
1:08:41 > 1:08:44and I couldn't be in my own body of pure pain.
1:08:44 > 1:08:47And James, in the other corner of the room, he...
1:08:48 > 1:08:51I knew he got exactly the same treatment as me,
1:08:51 > 1:08:52but I couldn't hear it.
1:08:53 > 1:08:55He just...
1:08:55 > 1:08:59I don't know if he kept it inside, or how he did it,
1:08:59 > 1:09:01but only a few minutes after they left,
1:09:01 > 1:09:04James, he kind of looked up and asked me if I was OK.
1:09:05 > 1:09:07I was like, "Shut up, James."
1:09:07 > 1:09:10I remember I said, "Shut up, James," you know?
1:09:10 > 1:09:11HE CHUCKLES
1:09:11 > 1:09:13Don't ask ME if I'm OK, you know?
1:09:15 > 1:09:17Don't worry about me, you know, worry about yourself.
1:09:19 > 1:09:24Yeah, we just laid there until the pain started to disappear a bit.
1:09:26 > 1:09:28Two or three days after, they came in again.
1:09:29 > 1:09:33This time, the Beatles just told us that now, guys, everything changed.
1:09:35 > 1:09:37And they took all our food,
1:09:37 > 1:09:39our games, most of the blankets.
1:09:42 > 1:09:44And they started to use, like, police clubs.
1:09:45 > 1:09:48So every time we went to the toilet, we got beatings with the stick.
1:09:49 > 1:09:53We were so scared, we lost all hopes.
1:09:53 > 1:09:56No matter what came through that door, it was evil.
1:09:57 > 1:10:02Those 14 days before I got released was the absolute worst times.
1:10:08 > 1:10:10When people started to get released,
1:10:10 > 1:10:15we decided to send out letters with the person who was released.
1:10:16 > 1:10:18But James, he didn't.
1:10:18 > 1:10:20He didn't want to bother any of us.
1:10:20 > 1:10:22And I remember one day that...
1:10:23 > 1:10:26..I saw that John and James had been talking for some times
1:10:26 > 1:10:27in their corner.
1:10:29 > 1:10:30And after that, John, he came over to me,
1:10:30 > 1:10:32and said Daniel, James wants to ask you something.
1:10:32 > 1:10:34OK, OK.
1:10:34 > 1:10:36What up, James? And he was like,
1:10:36 > 1:10:39"Oh, it's just if you want to carry out a message or something."
1:10:39 > 1:10:41You know, he was very...
1:10:41 > 1:10:44He said it fast, like... like he didn't want to bother me.
1:10:47 > 1:10:50There's many ways of dealing with a situation like this.
1:10:50 > 1:10:54And James, I think one of the reasons why he remained so strong,
1:10:54 > 1:10:58was because he managed to think about all the good things.
1:10:58 > 1:11:01He saw the light, instead of the dark spots.
1:11:02 > 1:11:05Where a guy like John, he was much more realistic.
1:11:06 > 1:11:08He knew when it was bad.
1:11:12 > 1:11:14But I couldn't bring out the letter.
1:11:14 > 1:11:17I was too afraid, after these 14 days.
1:11:17 > 1:11:20So I decided just to memorise as much as I could.
1:11:21 > 1:11:23So I started waiting,
1:11:23 > 1:11:25I knew they will come in the morning to pick me up.
1:11:26 > 1:11:29One day went, two days went.
1:11:30 > 1:11:32And then fourth, fifth day.
1:11:33 > 1:11:34Shit, man.
1:11:34 > 1:11:37And then I woke up, the sixth day in the morning.
1:11:37 > 1:11:39And I couldn't sleep. I couldn't sleep all night
1:11:39 > 1:11:43because I was so afraid of, what if they're playing a trick on me?
1:11:44 > 1:11:48And James, he walked over to me and he sat down right next to me.
1:11:48 > 1:11:51And he said, "Are you OK, Daniel?" "Yeah, all right."
1:11:52 > 1:11:54And then I just couldn't hold back.
1:11:54 > 1:11:56And I said, "Fuck. Fuck, man.
1:11:56 > 1:11:58"I am really, really scared.
1:11:58 > 1:12:00"I'm really, really, really, really scared right now.
1:12:00 > 1:12:03"I don't know what to do, what to think. I..."
1:12:03 > 1:12:05And he said, "Daniel, calm down.
1:12:05 > 1:12:06"Calm down."
1:12:06 > 1:12:08"Everything will be fine.
1:12:08 > 1:12:11"You are going home. They will come.
1:12:11 > 1:12:14"In a few hours, or tomorrow, but one thing is sure, Daniel.
1:12:14 > 1:12:16"You will go home."
1:12:16 > 1:12:18Once again, it was a weird feeling,
1:12:18 > 1:12:20because I was sitting there crying,
1:12:20 > 1:12:24and making a scene in front of James,
1:12:24 > 1:12:25and I was about to go home.
1:12:25 > 1:12:28And James, he didn't have anything to look forward to.
1:12:29 > 1:12:32James, he went back to his side of the room.
1:12:36 > 1:12:38Ten minutes after,
1:12:38 > 1:12:40they knocked on the door.
1:12:40 > 1:12:42They came in, and they asked me to put a blanket over my head
1:12:42 > 1:12:44and follow them.
1:12:48 > 1:12:49That was the last time I...
1:12:50 > 1:12:51..I saw James.
1:13:12 > 1:13:14I call on my friends, family and loved ones
1:13:14 > 1:13:16to rise up against my real killers,
1:13:16 > 1:13:18the US government.
1:13:18 > 1:13:21For what will happen to me is only a result of their complacency,
1:13:21 > 1:13:22and criminality.
1:13:23 > 1:13:25I wish I had more time.
1:13:26 > 1:13:27I wish I could have the hope of freedom
1:13:27 > 1:13:29and seeing my family once again.
1:13:29 > 1:13:30But that ship has sailed.
1:13:33 > 1:13:35I hadn't heard Jim's voice in two years.
1:13:38 > 1:13:42You know, I guess you can see it in his neck and his face,
1:13:42 > 1:13:45he's just, the strength he has at that moment.
1:13:47 > 1:13:48And, um...
1:13:48 > 1:13:52I think of myself, I'd be calling for my mother or something!
1:13:53 > 1:13:55Just the strength he had, and I...
1:13:57 > 1:14:01I wanted to feel what he felt...
1:14:01 > 1:14:02- SHAKY:- ..is the reason I watched it.
1:14:06 > 1:14:09I kept getting messages saying, "John, are you OK?
1:14:09 > 1:14:12"John, are you OK about what your brother's saying?"
1:14:12 > 1:14:14I'm like, what are you talking about?
1:14:14 > 1:14:16I call on my brother John,
1:14:16 > 1:14:18who is a member of the US Air Force.
1:14:20 > 1:14:22Think about what you're doing.
1:14:23 > 1:14:25Think about the lives you destroy,
1:14:25 > 1:14:27including those of your own family.
1:14:29 > 1:14:32Even though he was reading the script,
1:14:32 > 1:14:35he seemed defiant...to the end.
1:14:37 > 1:14:40I mean, for sure, I still have some guilt regarding...
1:14:42 > 1:14:44..me...
1:14:44 > 1:14:47Just...me and unfortunately my profession
1:14:47 > 1:14:50that I am sure that he endured torture.
1:14:52 > 1:14:53Interestingly, John and I,
1:14:53 > 1:14:57we've argued a lot about things since that,
1:14:57 > 1:15:00but we've been communicating a lot more,
1:15:00 > 1:15:02we've come a lot closer as a result, and...
1:15:03 > 1:15:05..and I think Jim would have loved that.
1:15:06 > 1:15:08And, you know Jim as well as I do.
1:15:08 > 1:15:10He wouldn't have said those things if there wasn't someone else
1:15:10 > 1:15:12that was going to be harmed as a result of it.
1:15:12 > 1:15:14He never cared about himself.
1:15:16 > 1:15:18- KATIE:- My only thought when I found out about Jim was,
1:15:18 > 1:15:19how am I going to get home?
1:15:20 > 1:15:24I had missed the initial chaos when it all happened,
1:15:24 > 1:15:26but slowly we all kind of came together.
1:15:28 > 1:15:31We literally chose the smallest room possible in our house,
1:15:31 > 1:15:33but everybody was just kind of huddled together.
1:15:35 > 1:15:38Jim always found a way to bring people together.
1:15:38 > 1:15:39Always.
1:15:42 > 1:15:49I really don't think I came to know Jim as a man, as an adult.
1:15:49 > 1:15:52I came to know him through his friends.
1:15:52 > 1:15:53LAUGHTER
1:15:54 > 1:15:56It's hard as a mother.
1:15:56 > 1:15:59You know, they're always your children, somehow.
1:15:59 > 1:16:01LAUGHTER
1:16:01 > 1:16:04And it's hard to see that they're adults,
1:16:04 > 1:16:05with their own gifts,
1:16:05 > 1:16:07and their own way in the world.
1:16:10 > 1:16:13The day before his memorial, I was like...
1:16:15 > 1:16:16- LAUGHING:- ..shit!
1:16:16 > 1:16:19I was like, "Now I get it."
1:16:19 > 1:16:21"Now I get it."
1:16:21 > 1:16:22And I...
1:16:22 > 1:16:26Jokingly, I was always like, you know, "Jim, get a job!"
1:16:26 > 1:16:29Jim, you know, save for retirement!
1:16:30 > 1:16:34So what I didn't recognise, he was really trying to teach me.
1:16:34 > 1:16:37"John, you need to look outside yourself."
1:16:38 > 1:16:43"John, it's not about physical or monetary things.
1:16:43 > 1:16:44"It's about how you act.
1:16:44 > 1:16:47"It's who you teach.
1:16:47 > 1:16:48"Who you mentor.
1:16:48 > 1:16:51"Who's going to remember you?
1:16:51 > 1:16:53"What are they going to remember about you?"
1:16:57 > 1:17:00Jimmy was included in the long line of journalists
1:17:00 > 1:17:03who gave their lives to tell the truth.
1:17:03 > 1:17:07We were just totally humbled by the fact that the committee in Bayeux
1:17:07 > 1:17:12would nominate him to be included on one of the markers,
1:17:12 > 1:17:14with 2,000 other deceased journalists.
1:17:16 > 1:17:18It was a very important moment.
1:17:20 > 1:17:22This was Jim, and...
1:17:23 > 1:17:26..it made me feel very warm inside that...
1:17:27 > 1:17:29..he was accepted as one of them.
1:17:53 > 1:17:55And that's the difference with Jim.
1:17:55 > 1:17:58He was just a you and a me, a friendly guy...
1:17:58 > 1:17:59until tested.
1:18:02 > 1:18:04- HIS VOICE BREAKS:- Where that came from, I don't know, Brian.
1:18:08 > 1:18:11Because you just can't grit something like that out.
1:18:12 > 1:18:14You have to have an inner strength...
1:18:16 > 1:18:17..to do that.
1:18:20 > 1:18:22We discovered Jim just like the world did.
1:18:25 > 1:18:27He was truly a man for others.
1:18:31 > 1:18:34- NICOLE:- Witnessing Jim's murder this publicly,
1:18:34 > 1:18:36it sends a message to all of us.
1:18:36 > 1:18:40And my, I guess, response to that is
1:18:40 > 1:18:42having lost so many friends,
1:18:42 > 1:18:47and knowing that people are purposely out for journalists, now,
1:18:47 > 1:18:52I mean, we have to fight back, with our pictures and our words.
1:18:54 > 1:18:56I just... I don't want to let them win.
1:18:58 > 1:19:01The extent to which the media coverage took off,
1:19:01 > 1:19:04it was just staggering.
1:19:04 > 1:19:05It was absolutely staggering.
1:19:05 > 1:19:08Something like 94% of Americans
1:19:08 > 1:19:10were aware of Jim's death,
1:19:10 > 1:19:12and how he died.
1:19:12 > 1:19:15It's the event with the second most recognition
1:19:15 > 1:19:18in recent American history, after 9/11.
1:19:18 > 1:19:20He would have been horrified by that.
1:19:20 > 1:19:22I mean, he was there to talk about the Syrian people,
1:19:22 > 1:19:24and this is the takeaway.
1:19:28 > 1:19:30BRIAN: What is your response to people
1:19:30 > 1:19:32who would say he shouldn't have been in there?
1:19:33 > 1:19:35My response is do you read the newspaper?
1:19:35 > 1:19:37Do you watch TV?
1:19:37 > 1:19:40You're depending on someone to bring you that information.
1:19:41 > 1:19:44If you care about what's going on in Syria,
1:19:44 > 1:19:47you don't have the right to be like, oh, why's he there?
1:19:47 > 1:19:49How do you even know what there is?
1:19:49 > 1:19:50Because he told you.
1:19:55 > 1:19:59- PIERRE:- I remember the video, and... there was a desert.
1:20:00 > 1:20:02And in the background,
1:20:02 > 1:20:04you could see the desert stop.
1:20:05 > 1:20:08And it was all the Valley of Euphrates.
1:20:09 > 1:20:13So according to what I know from James,
1:20:13 > 1:20:16I'm like 100% sure
1:20:16 > 1:20:20that even though he was convinced he would be killed,
1:20:20 > 1:20:22he enjoyed the view.
1:20:25 > 1:20:27- NICOLAS:- He died as a free man.
1:20:28 > 1:20:30This is not the death of a hostage.
1:20:31 > 1:20:34This is the difference, eventually, between Jim and myself.
1:20:36 > 1:20:38I ended up being released.
1:20:40 > 1:20:42But...he ended up free.
1:20:48 > 1:20:51And when we came to James' funeral,
1:20:51 > 1:20:54everything started to become real again in a way.
1:20:55 > 1:20:57The fact that I managed to say goodbye to James,
1:20:57 > 1:20:59together with all his loved ones,
1:20:59 > 1:21:00was really powerful.
1:21:00 > 1:21:03It reminded me how important it was that...
1:21:04 > 1:21:06..that James, he gave that letter to me.
1:21:14 > 1:21:16Dear family and friends,
1:21:16 > 1:21:18I remember going to the mall with Dad.
1:21:19 > 1:21:20A very long bike ride with Mum.
1:21:22 > 1:21:24I remember so many great family times
1:21:24 > 1:21:25that take me away from this prison.
1:21:26 > 1:21:28Dreams of family and friends take me away,
1:21:28 > 1:21:29and happiness fills my heart.
1:21:32 > 1:21:34I know you're thinking of me and praying for me,
1:21:34 > 1:21:36and I am so thankful.
1:21:37 > 1:21:39I feel you all especially when I pray.
1:21:39 > 1:21:42I pray for you to stay strong, and to believe.
1:21:42 > 1:21:45I really feel I can touch you, even in this darkness, when I pray.
1:21:51 > 1:21:53I think a lot about my brothers and sister.
1:21:53 > 1:21:56I remember playing werewolf in the dark with Michael,
1:21:56 > 1:21:58and so many other adventures.
1:22:00 > 1:22:03I think of chasing Matty and Tee around the kitchen counter.
1:22:03 > 1:22:06It makes me happy to think of them.
1:22:06 > 1:22:07If there is any money left in my bank account,
1:22:07 > 1:22:09I want it to go to Michael and Matthew.
1:22:11 > 1:22:12I am so proud of you, Michael...
1:22:13 > 1:22:16..and thankful to you for happy childhood memories,
1:22:16 > 1:22:18and to you and Christie for happy adult ones.
1:22:22 > 1:22:23And big John,
1:22:23 > 1:22:26how I enjoyed visiting you and Cress in Germany.
1:22:26 > 1:22:28Thank you for welcoming me.
1:22:28 > 1:22:31I think a lot about Ro-Ro, and try to imagine what Jack is like.
1:22:31 > 1:22:33I hope he has Ro-Ro's personality.
1:22:35 > 1:22:39So Mark and Casey, what name have you given your son?
1:22:39 > 1:22:43- James Michael Foley. - James Michael Foley.
1:22:44 > 1:22:46And Mark...
1:22:46 > 1:22:47so proud of you too, bro.
1:22:48 > 1:22:49I think of you on the West Coast,
1:22:49 > 1:22:52and hope you're doing some snowboarding and camping.
1:22:52 > 1:22:55I especially remember us going to the comedy club in Boston together,
1:22:55 > 1:22:56and our big hug after.
1:22:58 > 1:23:00The special moments keep me hopeful.
1:23:03 > 1:23:05Katie, so very proud of you.
1:23:05 > 1:23:07You are the strongest and best of us all.
1:23:08 > 1:23:11I think of you working so hard, helping people as a nurse.
1:23:12 > 1:23:13I pray I can come to your wedding.
1:23:14 > 1:23:16Now I'm sounding like Grammy!
1:23:18 > 1:23:20Grammy, please take your medicine.
1:23:20 > 1:23:22Take walks and keep dancing.
1:23:23 > 1:23:25I plan to take you out to Margarita's when I get home.
1:23:25 > 1:23:27Stay strong,
1:23:27 > 1:23:29because I'm going to need your help to reclaim my life.
1:23:30 > 1:23:31Jim.
1:23:37 > 1:23:39# Well, I was always late
1:23:39 > 1:23:42# For every meal, you'll swear
1:23:44 > 1:23:46# But keep my place
1:23:48 > 1:23:50# On the empty chair
1:23:52 > 1:23:56# And somehow I'll be there
1:23:59 > 1:24:01# And somehow...
1:24:02 > 1:24:07# I'll be there. #