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0:00:25 > 0:00:28When I got there, they had the scene very well secured.
0:00:28 > 0:00:32They had the entire block taped off.
0:00:32 > 0:00:35Front door wide open, a little music playing
0:00:35 > 0:00:38in the background, candles are lit inside.
0:00:38 > 0:00:41Very violent confrontation. Rage.
0:00:44 > 0:00:47Two victims, blood everywhere.
0:00:49 > 0:00:56We find a glove - it's a left glove - and a blood trail indicating the
0:00:56 > 0:00:58suspect has been wounded on the left side.
0:00:58 > 0:01:02So we're just getting into this when we
0:01:02 > 0:01:07find out that this is apparently OJ Simpson's estranged wife.
0:01:09 > 0:01:12We have two children asleep.
0:01:12 > 0:01:14I have a very brutal murder.
0:01:14 > 0:01:18Someone has got to make a death notification of next of kin...
0:01:18 > 0:01:20which is Simpson.
0:01:20 > 0:01:23Lang and Vannatter were talking,
0:01:23 > 0:01:27and they called me over and said,
0:01:27 > 0:01:29"You were at Simpson's house once, right?
0:01:29 > 0:01:31"We want you to take us up there."
0:01:35 > 0:01:39We pull close to the gate.
0:01:40 > 0:01:44Vannatter was hitting the doorbell,
0:01:44 > 0:01:49they keep ringing the doorbell, and so I just stroll down the street.
0:01:52 > 0:01:57By the other gate, there's a white Bronco.
0:01:57 > 0:02:00On the driver's side door handle, blood.
0:02:02 > 0:02:06I mean, there was enough evidence outside -
0:02:06 > 0:02:09"We got to make sure everybody's OK in here."
0:02:09 > 0:02:13"Oh, God, what are we going to do? Simpson's in there dead."
0:02:13 > 0:02:14Well, yeah, we need to go in.
0:02:14 > 0:02:18So I jumped up over the fence and I opened the gate.
0:02:22 > 0:02:25Bang on the front door. Nothing.
0:02:25 > 0:02:29We walk around to the back, there's a couple of bungalows.
0:02:29 > 0:02:35The first one was Kato Kaelin's. Kato Kaelin was a live-in...
0:02:39 > 0:02:40..friend.
0:02:40 > 0:02:43We say to the police, "Check on Mr Simpson."
0:02:45 > 0:02:50"OJ's in Chicago. Well, he left last night."
0:02:50 > 0:02:51"Oh, thank God."
0:02:51 > 0:02:55They all leave, and I'm left here with Kato Kaelin.
0:02:56 > 0:02:59I go, "Tell me what you did last night."
0:02:59 > 0:03:02He goes, "Well, I was talking on the phone
0:03:02 > 0:03:05"and all a sudden there was, like, an earthquake.
0:03:05 > 0:03:09- "It was just like... - POUNDING
0:03:09 > 0:03:11"..on the wall, and the pictures shook."
0:03:13 > 0:03:15OK.
0:03:15 > 0:03:20I walk back outside and I start walking
0:03:20 > 0:03:22down the back, behind the bungalows.
0:03:24 > 0:03:27And then, as I pan down,
0:03:28 > 0:03:32..I see this brown, glistening...
0:03:32 > 0:03:35At first I thought it was dog crap.
0:03:35 > 0:03:39And then I shine the light on it, and it was a glove.
0:03:43 > 0:03:46Just like the one... Ed Bundy...
0:03:46 > 0:03:51"Yeah, this is going to get deep. This is going to be a crime scene."
0:04:14 > 0:04:17I make the decision to make a telephonic
0:04:17 > 0:04:21to the Brown family, and I talk to Lou Brown
0:04:21 > 0:04:24and say that your daughter Nicole is dead.
0:04:26 > 0:04:28It's quiet for about two seconds, and then
0:04:28 > 0:04:32all this screaming. It's Nicole's sister, Denise.
0:04:32 > 0:04:35"I knew that motherfucker, he was going to kill,
0:04:35 > 0:04:39"I knew he was going to do this." I mean, she didn't hesitate.
0:04:39 > 0:04:44Nobody comes unglued like that unless they have a strong suspicion.
0:04:44 > 0:04:47We got to look at it a little differently now.
0:04:47 > 0:04:49We lock everything down, no more searching,
0:04:49 > 0:04:53can't do anything until we get a warrant.
0:04:53 > 0:04:55Phil Vannatter called me and said,
0:04:55 > 0:04:57"I've got some information. I need to get a search warrant.
0:04:57 > 0:05:00"I need you to tell me if you think it sounds OK."
0:05:00 > 0:05:04And he just summarised the evidence, and it was huge.
0:05:04 > 0:05:08"OK, yeah, go ahead, get the search warrant, you're fine."
0:05:08 > 0:05:10And he said, "You know who it is?
0:05:10 > 0:05:12"It's OJ Simpson."
0:05:12 > 0:05:17"OJ Simpson? Um..."
0:05:17 > 0:05:21I was never into sports, so I didn't even know what game he played.
0:05:23 > 0:05:26I thought he was a has-been.
0:05:27 > 0:05:29Monday afternoon came around,
0:05:29 > 0:05:33Simpson came back from Chicago and they handcuff him.
0:05:36 > 0:05:38It was...
0:05:38 > 0:05:40quite surprising.
0:05:40 > 0:05:45Your ex-husband's always a suspect in a case.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48"OK. Wow!"
0:05:48 > 0:05:50- LAUGHING - "Here we go."
0:06:12 > 0:06:15He said he was going to talk to us, which is really strange.
0:06:20 > 0:06:24You have one opportunity forever
0:06:24 > 0:06:26to talk to this guy, forever.
0:06:37 > 0:06:40He's thinking he can control a couple of cops,
0:06:40 > 0:06:43especially these guys, cos, you know, they're pretty nice.
0:07:02 > 0:07:05What Vannatter and Lang failed to do was
0:07:05 > 0:07:10simply to pin him down on what he did on the day of the murder.
0:07:16 > 0:07:21OJ just rambled and created an interview
0:07:21 > 0:07:24transcript that was useless to the prosecution.
0:07:37 > 0:07:40"What do you mean, you were running around doing what you do?
0:07:40 > 0:07:41"What do you mean?"
0:07:41 > 0:07:43"What do you mean, you cut yourself in Chicago
0:07:43 > 0:07:46"but the blood got on the Bronco before you left? What do you mean?"
0:07:46 > 0:07:49There's a million things that they just let go.
0:07:49 > 0:07:51"Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, uh-huh."
0:07:51 > 0:07:52Oh, my God!
0:07:54 > 0:07:57What I wanted was his blood, photographs
0:07:57 > 0:07:59taken of the bleeding finger, I wanted his
0:07:59 > 0:08:02fingerprints now that we've got his cooperation.
0:08:13 > 0:08:15We get the blood, we get all these things
0:08:15 > 0:08:17we want which are going to be evidence.
0:08:17 > 0:08:20And then, you know, he's released.
0:08:20 > 0:08:23What? Why would you do that?
0:08:24 > 0:08:29If he was any other guy, would you have let him go?
0:08:31 > 0:08:34And they said, "Where can he go? After all, what can he do?
0:08:34 > 0:08:37"I mean, everybody recognises him."
0:09:10 > 0:09:14When I went over to Rockingham, he had, like, three TVs,
0:09:14 > 0:09:19and each and every one of them, he had a different channel on.
0:09:19 > 0:09:21NEWSREADERS AND REPORTERS ALL TALKING AT ONCE
0:09:27 > 0:09:30"'Suspect'? What are you talking about? Is he crazy?"
0:09:32 > 0:09:36And I said, "OJ, what happened to your finger?"
0:09:36 > 0:09:40And he says, "I cut it on a glass in Chicago."
0:09:40 > 0:09:44And I went, "Oh, OK."
0:09:44 > 0:09:47Somebody else sat down and asked him the same question,
0:09:47 > 0:09:51and he said, "I was chipping golf balls."
0:09:51 > 0:09:56And I went, "Uh-huh..." Later on that evening,
0:09:56 > 0:09:58same question came out.
0:09:58 > 0:10:04"Oh, I was getting the cellphone out of the Bronco, cut myself."
0:10:04 > 0:10:06I was like, "Wow."
0:10:07 > 0:10:13I tried to leave there and OJ goes, "Shipp, hold on."
0:10:13 > 0:10:19He says, "They asked me to take a lie detector test. I told them no."
0:10:19 > 0:10:21I said, "What do you mean, you told them no?"
0:10:21 > 0:10:23And he says, you know, jokingly, he says,
0:10:23 > 0:10:25"Well, you know, to be truthful, Shipp,
0:10:25 > 0:10:27"I have had dreams of killing her."
0:10:31 > 0:10:33I wanted to leave.
0:10:33 > 0:10:35I said, "This... I'm... I'm out of here."
0:10:43 > 0:10:45- REPORTER:- Here, at OJ Simpson's home,
0:10:45 > 0:10:47in the fashionable suburb of Brentwood,
0:10:47 > 0:10:49the world media has settled in to the siege.
0:10:49 > 0:10:51Against this public backdrop,
0:10:51 > 0:10:54police are quietly, methodically reconstructing
0:10:54 > 0:10:57the events of last Sunday evening to answer the question,
0:10:57 > 0:11:01"Could this American sports hero possibly be a murderer?"
0:12:37 > 0:12:41At the time that this murder took place,
0:12:41 > 0:12:47OJ was at home, awaiting a limousine to take him to the airport
0:12:47 > 0:12:50for a promotional event in Chicago.
0:12:50 > 0:12:54- REPORTER:- OJ Simpson has described him as his quarterback.
0:12:54 > 0:12:57He is defence attorney Robert Shapiro.
0:12:57 > 0:12:59I agree with that assessment.
0:13:04 > 0:13:07He was known as the fixer. He was a Hollywood lawyer.
0:13:10 > 0:13:14He was not known as a "trial dogg" with two Gs.
0:13:15 > 0:13:20You hired Bob Shapiro to cut a deal.
0:13:20 > 0:13:24Bob had never tried a murder case. And so when he called me in June
0:13:24 > 0:13:31and said, "I need some help in the OJ case," I was more than ready.
0:13:31 > 0:13:35Well, I worked for Bob Shapiro on some of his other cases
0:13:35 > 0:13:37and I was pretty successful.
0:13:37 > 0:13:41So they recruited me as a defence investigator.
0:13:45 > 0:13:48OJ was putting together his team. They sent a guy over to me.
0:13:48 > 0:13:50"Hey, man, we're putting together this thing."
0:13:50 > 0:13:53"We're going to need you. OJ needs you."
0:13:53 > 0:13:57And I said, "I'm not on board."
0:13:59 > 0:14:02And I'll never forget that investigator's look on his face.
0:14:02 > 0:14:08He says, "What?" I said, "OJ killed her. I'm not on board."
0:14:16 > 0:14:19I got to say, I had a lot of fun with her.
0:14:19 > 0:14:21At times, I felt like a big brother to her cos
0:14:21 > 0:14:23I'd come over there and she'd share things with me.
0:14:23 > 0:14:25And I kind of felt special that she
0:14:25 > 0:14:27thought enough of me to tell me her problems.
0:14:27 > 0:14:30She's a great human being. Thank you.
0:14:30 > 0:14:33APPLAUSE
0:14:35 > 0:14:36I remember early in...
0:14:40 > 0:14:43..in the years that her and OJ was dating,
0:14:43 > 0:14:45we were all down in the Caribbean.
0:14:45 > 0:14:50OJ was working on a film, and if a lot of you don't know,
0:14:50 > 0:14:53I'm going to let you know now, blacks cannot swim, we can't float.
0:14:53 > 0:14:55LAUGHTER
0:14:55 > 0:14:57Justin can!
0:14:57 > 0:15:00Well, thank God. Well, he got that from his mom.
0:15:00 > 0:15:03So, we're out in the saltwater, all right?
0:15:03 > 0:15:05And Nicole is out there looking like, you know,
0:15:05 > 0:15:08she was made to swim, she's backstroking and
0:15:08 > 0:15:10she's doing all these things.
0:15:10 > 0:15:14So, here's OJ and I, we're standing on the shore and she's waving us in.
0:15:14 > 0:15:15LAUGHTER
0:15:15 > 0:15:18Now, this is saltwater, in the Caribbean.
0:15:18 > 0:15:20Everything down there floats.
0:15:20 > 0:15:22OJ and I got out there and we tried to float,
0:15:22 > 0:15:28and she thought that's the funniest thing she'd ever seen in her life.
0:15:28 > 0:15:31She could not believe it. And one of the things about Nicole,
0:15:31 > 0:15:34which all of you will agree, was Nicole's laugh.
0:15:34 > 0:15:38Once that woman laughed, she was, uh...
0:15:38 > 0:15:41- TEARFULLY:- ..she brought out a lot of goodness in you.
0:15:41 > 0:15:46Nicole was very, very special to me. That was my buddy. And, um...
0:15:49 > 0:15:52And I know, Sydney and Justin...
0:15:54 > 0:15:57..you've been blessed because of a lot
0:15:57 > 0:16:00of her character and the goodness about her.
0:16:00 > 0:16:01You're not going to notice it now,
0:16:01 > 0:16:03but you're going to notice it as you get older
0:16:03 > 0:16:06cos she's laid a great foundation for you two.
0:16:10 > 0:16:12I love you, Nicole, and I love you, too, Jason...
0:16:12 > 0:16:14I mean Justin and Sydney
0:16:14 > 0:16:17and I'll always will be there for you.
0:16:17 > 0:16:19APPLAUSE
0:16:26 > 0:16:28OJ Simpson may soon face legal action.
0:16:28 > 0:16:30The Associated Press says a homicide detective
0:16:30 > 0:16:33has told them Simpson's arrest is imminent.
0:16:36 > 0:16:37It is not only OJ Simpson's life
0:16:37 > 0:16:39that is coming under the media microscope.
0:16:39 > 0:16:41Reporters are looking, too, at Ronald Goldman,
0:16:41 > 0:16:45the aspiring model, who was killed with Nicole Simpson.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48His family said he was nothing more than a friend.
0:16:48 > 0:16:50He was a special human being...
0:16:51 > 0:16:54..that didn't deserve what's happened.
0:16:57 > 0:17:00He was going to open a restaurant.
0:17:02 > 0:17:08After Ron was murdered, we went to his apartment.
0:17:08 > 0:17:11He had a floor plan, he had a menu,
0:17:11 > 0:17:14he had names of people whose art he was going to hang on the wall.
0:17:14 > 0:17:17He had everything worked out.
0:17:17 > 0:17:19Obviously, this is your older brother.
0:17:19 > 0:17:21We don't get to spend very much time together,
0:17:21 > 0:17:23so I'm very glad that I was able to be here.
0:17:23 > 0:17:26So, I love you very much and I'll see you soon.
0:17:28 > 0:17:30That was all taken away.
0:17:40 > 0:17:44My sister's body was going to be behind closed doors.
0:17:44 > 0:17:47I said to my friend, "I can't go in there."
0:17:49 > 0:17:53And as I'm having this conversation with them I'm hearing screams.
0:17:56 > 0:18:00Looking at her, I can remember a black
0:18:00 > 0:18:02dress up to her neck because...
0:18:04 > 0:18:07..what I had heard is that her head
0:18:07 > 0:18:11was almost cut off all the way...
0:18:11 > 0:18:14which even shocked me more and more.
0:18:14 > 0:18:17I mean, that was just, like...
0:18:17 > 0:18:22And seeing her there, lying there in a coffin -
0:18:22 > 0:18:26I mean, it really... I mean...
0:18:26 > 0:18:28I don't know, it was just terrible.
0:18:34 > 0:18:36And he came to the wake.
0:18:38 > 0:18:41It was just...unbelievable.
0:18:42 > 0:18:47We were all kind of in shock that he came there.
0:18:48 > 0:18:53Judy asked him directly, "Did you kill my daughter?"
0:18:53 > 0:18:56"No, no. I loved her too much."
0:18:59 > 0:19:05He was, like, on Xanax or something. He was just sedated.
0:19:07 > 0:19:09I leaned over to him and I said, "We're going to get through this."
0:19:12 > 0:19:14I had no idea what was going on.
0:19:35 > 0:19:38Action News has learned that Simpson's attorney is working on
0:19:38 > 0:19:41a deal with police for Simpson's surrender to avoid what the
0:19:41 > 0:19:44lawyer calls, and we quote, "a media circus".
0:20:04 > 0:20:08Shapiro was going to surrender him to the detectives in the morning.
0:20:15 > 0:20:19We're standing outside Parker Center waiting for OJ to turn himself in.
0:20:21 > 0:20:24Every time a car would pass by, "Is that OJ?"
0:20:27 > 0:20:29I think it was 11 o'clock.
0:20:30 > 0:20:33Oh, no, he doesn't show up.
0:20:34 > 0:20:38I think I'd already scheduled the press conference.
0:20:38 > 0:20:41And it's like, "Oh, no.
0:20:41 > 0:20:44"We potentially could look like a bunch of clowns here."
0:20:49 > 0:20:53I did not know about the arrangements for his surrender.
0:20:53 > 0:20:55I went with the assumption that they'd announce he was arrested.
0:20:55 > 0:20:58Gascon's coming up.
0:20:58 > 0:21:01Looking out at the auditorium, not only are all the seats taken,
0:21:01 > 0:21:04but all the aisles are jammed,
0:21:04 > 0:21:06the front is jammed, the back wall's jammed.
0:21:06 > 0:21:09He's on the stage.
0:21:09 > 0:21:12And I was the one that was going to have to stand out there naked.
0:21:16 > 0:21:19This morning, detectives from the Los Angeles
0:21:19 > 0:21:24Police Department sought and obtained a warrant
0:21:24 > 0:21:27for the arrest of OJ Simpson, charging him
0:21:27 > 0:21:32with the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman.
0:21:33 > 0:21:38Mr Simpson, in agreement with his attorney...
0:21:39 > 0:21:41..was scheduled to surrender this morning,
0:21:41 > 0:21:44to the Los Angeles Police Department.
0:21:44 > 0:21:46Initially, that was 11 o'clock.
0:21:48 > 0:21:51It then became 11:45.
0:21:52 > 0:21:55Mr Simpson has not appeared.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02The Los Angeles Police Department, right now,
0:22:02 > 0:22:06is actively searching for Mr Simpson.
0:22:06 > 0:22:08PEOPLE GASP
0:22:08 > 0:22:11The gasp that went through the room, I think it's right at that moment,
0:22:11 > 0:22:14that I realised, "Oh, boy, this is big."
0:22:14 > 0:22:17We will continue our pursuit of Mr Simpson
0:22:17 > 0:22:21and hope to have him in custody...soon.
0:22:22 > 0:22:24He's gone.
0:22:24 > 0:22:28I looked at Marika and I said, "It's a helicopter story now.
0:22:28 > 0:22:31"Let's find this son of a bitch."
0:22:31 > 0:22:33I can take a few questions.
0:22:33 > 0:22:35EVERYONE SPEAKS AT ONCE
0:22:35 > 0:22:37I'd known Gascon for a long time
0:22:37 > 0:22:40and he's a fairly easygoing guy, normally.
0:22:40 > 0:22:41You have to hold it down.
0:22:41 > 0:22:44One at a time or I won't be able to hear you.
0:22:44 > 0:22:46He's got a nice sense of humour, he's got a light touch.
0:22:46 > 0:22:49You asked a question. Would you like for me to answer?
0:22:49 > 0:22:52He got pretty tightly wound that day.
0:22:52 > 0:22:54I doubt that there's anyone around this country
0:22:54 > 0:22:56that's been monitoring television, radio
0:22:56 > 0:22:58or newspapers that doesn't know at this point
0:22:58 > 0:23:01that something's going on in this case.
0:23:03 > 0:23:08If you, in any way, are assisting Mr Simpson
0:23:08 > 0:23:12in avoiding justice... Mr Simpson is a fugitive of
0:23:12 > 0:23:15justice right now,
0:23:15 > 0:23:17and if you assist him in any way,
0:23:17 > 0:23:19YOU are committing a felony.
0:23:20 > 0:23:22I was pissed off that we were, in essence,
0:23:22 > 0:23:25given the old Italian gesture.
0:23:26 > 0:23:31I don't recall being that upset before in the DA's office.
0:23:31 > 0:23:33I'm angry, I'm not embarrassed.
0:23:33 > 0:23:35Angry at who, beyond...?
0:23:35 > 0:23:37I'm angry at OJ Simpson.
0:23:45 > 0:23:47POLICE RADIO
0:23:56 > 0:23:57First name, spelling
0:23:57 > 0:24:01Oscar Romeo Echo November Tango Hotel Alpha Lima.
0:24:13 > 0:24:16It is not an escape. He was not under arrest.
0:24:16 > 0:24:21He was under sedation in a very, very emotional state.
0:24:23 > 0:24:28He was at a residence that is secluded,
0:24:28 > 0:24:31that is very, very hard to find,
0:24:31 > 0:24:33and there was never any thought of him
0:24:33 > 0:24:35leaving that residence without us.
0:24:38 > 0:24:42This letter was written by OJ today.
0:24:44 > 0:24:48"First, everyone understand,
0:24:48 > 0:24:51"I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder.
0:24:52 > 0:24:58"I loved her, always have and always will.
0:24:58 > 0:25:04"If we had a problem, it's because I loved her so much."
0:25:05 > 0:25:11It's 17:00, 5pm, when you have Kardashian reading the letter.
0:25:11 > 0:25:16I thought, "Wow, maybe he killed himself."
0:25:16 > 0:25:23"I think of my life and feel I've done most
0:25:23 > 0:25:27"of the right things, so why do I end up like this?
0:25:29 > 0:25:34"I can't go on. No matter what the outcome,
0:25:34 > 0:25:39"people will look and point. I can't take that.
0:25:39 > 0:25:44"I can't subject my children to that."
0:25:44 > 0:25:47We deal with folks who are in crisis
0:25:47 > 0:25:53and get to a very dark place and they just do it.
0:25:53 > 0:25:55"Don't feel sorry for me.
0:25:56 > 0:26:00"I've had a great life, great friends.
0:26:00 > 0:26:05"Please think of the real OJ and not this lost person."
0:26:10 > 0:26:15The note says, to me, "Feel sorry for me, but...
0:26:16 > 0:26:18"..I'm the guy," you know, "I'm the bad guy."
0:26:22 > 0:26:24He was. Mr Cawlings was with him,
0:26:24 > 0:26:27he was his best friend, he was by his side
0:26:27 > 0:26:31for the last few minutes alone while we were upstairs.
0:26:33 > 0:26:35AC just had a love for OJ.
0:26:37 > 0:26:42I remember once, in high school, a friend of mine had a starter
0:26:42 > 0:26:45pistol that he brought to school.
0:26:45 > 0:26:50So we said, "OK, let's go, take the gun and pull it on OJ
0:26:50 > 0:26:55"and act like we're going to shoot him." We were all down for it.
0:26:55 > 0:27:01So we went out on the field where OJ and Al were,
0:27:01 > 0:27:05and my friend, Ray, well, he pulled the gun out
0:27:05 > 0:27:08and everybody sort of stepped back.
0:27:08 > 0:27:13And Al Cowlings stepped in front of OJ
0:27:13 > 0:27:18and said, "Ray, if you going to shoot OJ,
0:27:18 > 0:27:20"you got to shoot me first."
0:27:24 > 0:27:25POLICE RADIOS
0:27:29 > 0:27:311993 Ford Bronco.
0:27:34 > 0:27:38We're listening to the Los Angeles Police Department
0:27:38 > 0:27:40and they believe that this vehicle
0:27:40 > 0:27:43is somewhere in the vicinity of the El Toro Y.
0:27:44 > 0:27:46And I look down below and there's the El Toro Y.
0:27:48 > 0:27:51And there's a white Bronco.
0:27:51 > 0:27:53Then there's a sheriff's unit and
0:27:53 > 0:27:55there's another sheriff's unit and another sheriff's unit.
0:27:55 > 0:27:58OK, here we are, open the door.
0:27:58 > 0:28:02We get the door open and we get our very first shots.
0:28:02 > 0:28:05And I'm back on the two-way radio
0:28:05 > 0:28:09telling CBS, "You got to get us on the air, we found him!"
0:28:09 > 0:28:10I want a husband who loves me...
0:28:10 > 0:28:13And with a flip of the switch, we were on with Dan Rather.
0:28:13 > 0:28:15This is Dan Rather with Connie Chung
0:28:15 > 0:28:17in Los Angeles, and let's hold on a second here.
0:28:17 > 0:28:20I'm seeing on the monitor this live helicopter
0:28:20 > 0:28:23coverage of the Ford Bronco being followed by the police.
0:28:23 > 0:28:27And let's pick up some of the transmission from the helicopter.
0:28:27 > 0:28:30They believe he's suicidal and very dangerous.
0:28:30 > 0:28:34Unfortunately, at this time it does not
0:28:34 > 0:28:37appear as though the driver is slowing down
0:28:37 > 0:28:41or complying with the orders of the officers.
0:28:41 > 0:28:45We were on the air exclusively for 22 minutes,
0:28:45 > 0:28:48and this was the most conflicted I had every been.
0:28:48 > 0:28:50The gravity of the murder, I mean,
0:28:50 > 0:28:53this is a double homicide and this is a tragic story.
0:28:53 > 0:28:58Very few human beings fall as far as OJ Simpson.
0:28:58 > 0:29:01I've fallen quite a bit transitioning. You know,
0:29:01 > 0:29:05you go from being, like, a hero pilot to some tranny,
0:29:05 > 0:29:08you know, so I've fallen somewhat myself, but
0:29:08 > 0:29:12this is, like, an epic fall.
0:29:12 > 0:29:15And I'm weighing the consequences of this with
0:29:15 > 0:29:19also the biggest news story, like, ever.
0:29:19 > 0:29:23I'm going to use a pair of binoculars to try to determine
0:29:23 > 0:29:26whether or not I can see Mr Simpson.
0:29:26 > 0:29:32Fuck NBC, fuck ABC, fuck those guys.
0:29:32 > 0:29:35I hope they shoot this son of a bitch.
0:29:35 > 0:29:38And I hope they kill him before the competitors get here.
0:29:40 > 0:29:42PHONE RINGS
0:29:42 > 0:29:44911, what are you reporting?
0:29:44 > 0:29:47This is AC. I have OJ in the car.
0:29:47 > 0:29:49OK, where are you?
0:29:49 > 0:29:51Please, I'm coming up the 5 freeway.
0:29:51 > 0:29:53- OK. - Right now, we are OK.
0:29:53 > 0:29:56But you got to tell the police just to back off.
0:29:56 > 0:29:58He's still alive, but he's got a gun to his head.
0:29:58 > 0:30:03- OK, hold on a minute. Monica? - He just wants to see his mother.
0:30:03 > 0:30:06- Let me get him to the house. - OK, hold on a moment.
0:30:08 > 0:30:09OK, what's your name?
0:30:09 > 0:30:12My name is AC. You know who I am, God dammit.
0:30:12 > 0:30:14OK.
0:30:18 > 0:30:21Right now, OJ's sitting there in the passenger seat with
0:30:21 > 0:30:24a gun pointed at his own head.
0:30:24 > 0:30:27Somebody turned the TV on and there he is.
0:30:27 > 0:30:2914 units of the Orange County Sheriff's
0:30:29 > 0:30:33Department and Highway Patrol following behind a good distance.
0:30:33 > 0:30:38Oh, my God, this isn't real, this can't be real.
0:30:38 > 0:30:44We're dumbfounded. Law enforcement is following Simpson.
0:30:44 > 0:30:46They want him to stop.
0:30:46 > 0:30:49Red lights and siren. It's not an escort.
0:30:50 > 0:30:52Why are they allowing him to continue?
0:30:52 > 0:30:56Really, the game plan is really being conducted by Mr Simpson
0:30:56 > 0:30:58at this point, and it's very much like
0:30:58 > 0:31:02when the President travels down a major thoroughfare, like a freeway.
0:31:02 > 0:31:07I was wondering, OK, maybe around the next curve they've got it marked
0:31:07 > 0:31:11off and they're going to force the stop.
0:31:11 > 0:31:14It wasn't like they were going 100 miles an hour.
0:31:14 > 0:31:20But I'm not a police tactician. That was their call.
0:31:23 > 0:31:26I've covered so many of these things.
0:31:26 > 0:31:28This was not usual police behaviour.
0:31:30 > 0:31:34If OJ Simpson were black, that shit wouldn't have happened.
0:31:36 > 0:31:40He'd be on the ground getting clubbed.
0:31:40 > 0:31:44But since he transcended race and colour
0:31:44 > 0:31:47to this exalted status of celebrity,
0:31:47 > 0:31:49he got a motorcade.
0:31:50 > 0:31:54This is not a chase, this is basically an accompaniment.
0:32:00 > 0:32:03Nobody is doing anything.
0:32:03 > 0:32:05So I'm talking to Eddie Jo Fairbanks in the DA's office.
0:32:05 > 0:32:08She said, "Well, I happen to have his cell number. Would you like it?"
0:32:08 > 0:32:10HE LAUGHS
0:32:10 > 0:32:11PHONE RINGS
0:32:11 > 0:32:15- You there? - Just let me get to my house.
0:32:15 > 0:32:17- OK, we're going to do that. - I swear to you I'll give you...
0:32:17 > 0:32:20- I'll give you me, I'll give you my whole body.- OK...
0:32:20 > 0:32:23- I just need to get to my house. - OK, we're going to do that.
0:32:23 > 0:32:25- Just throw the gun out the window. - I can't do that.
0:32:25 > 0:32:28We're not going to bother you, we'll let you go there.
0:32:28 > 0:32:31Just throw it out this window, please, you're scaring everybody.
0:32:31 > 0:32:33This is not to keep you guys away from me, this is for me.
0:32:33 > 0:32:36- I know that. Nobody's going to hurt you.- This is for me.
0:32:36 > 0:32:40He's trying, in my mind, to imply he's going to commit suicide,
0:32:40 > 0:32:44but he's not saying that. So I'm playing along with that.
0:32:44 > 0:32:47MOANING
0:32:47 > 0:32:52Hey, everybody loves you. Don't do this.
0:32:52 > 0:32:57Just throw it out the window and nobody's going to get hurt.
0:32:57 > 0:33:00You've got a guy here that's... I don't know where his mind is.
0:33:00 > 0:33:03I really believe that he killed two people.
0:33:03 > 0:33:05And now he's got a loaded gun, and he's being chased by cops.
0:33:05 > 0:33:07Is he going to start shooting at the cops?
0:33:07 > 0:33:09Is he going to shoot at AC and kill...?
0:33:09 > 0:33:12Is he going to blow his own brains out?
0:33:12 > 0:33:15I do know if I can engage him in a conversation it's
0:33:15 > 0:33:19going to temporarily at least take his mind off of the gun.
0:33:19 > 0:33:21I'm the only one that deserves this.
0:33:21 > 0:33:25No, you don't deserve that. You do not deserve to get hurt.
0:33:25 > 0:33:29- Don't do this.- All I did was love Nicole. All I did was love her.
0:33:29 > 0:33:31- I understand.- I love everybody, I've tried to show everybody
0:33:31 > 0:33:33my whole life that I love everybody.
0:33:33 > 0:33:35We know that. And everybody loves you.
0:33:37 > 0:33:40- Your kids need you.- I've already said goodbye to my kids.
0:33:40 > 0:33:42- You're going to hurt everybody. - I'm just going to have to see.
0:33:42 > 0:33:45- No, don't.- I'm going to go with Nicole. That's all I'm going to do.
0:33:45 > 0:33:48- That's all I'm trying to do.- Think about everybody else, all right?
0:33:48 > 0:33:51I couldn't on the freeway. I couldn't do it in a field.
0:33:51 > 0:33:54I want to do it at her grave. I want to do it at my house.
0:33:54 > 0:33:56You going to go to the house?
0:33:56 > 0:34:00We were told he was going to the Rockingham location.
0:34:00 > 0:34:03And that's all we were told.
0:34:03 > 0:34:05If they requested Swat to handle something,
0:34:05 > 0:34:08that's because they can't handle it themselves.
0:34:08 > 0:34:10I was told, "You're going to do the talking,
0:34:10 > 0:34:13"you're going to be the negotiator."
0:34:14 > 0:34:18Drive time from downtown to the west side
0:34:18 > 0:34:22- was going to take 30, 40 minutes. - We were trying to beat him.
0:34:22 > 0:34:24They were pressuring us. "He's pretty close."
0:34:24 > 0:34:28We were estimating that we were about ten minutes ahead.
0:34:28 > 0:34:31The last thing that we want is for him to get there before us,
0:34:31 > 0:34:34because now we're going to lose control.
0:34:36 > 0:34:39And we're on the freeway, and on all the overpasses,
0:34:39 > 0:34:43there were people already staged.
0:34:43 > 0:34:48Signs, "Free OJ," "We love you OJ."
0:34:48 > 0:34:51What a bunch of losers.
0:34:52 > 0:34:54I think people realised, "Hey,
0:34:54 > 0:34:57"this is going to be passing my neighbourhood."
0:34:57 > 0:35:00And they wanted to see OJ's last run.
0:35:01 > 0:35:03This was not a sombre event.
0:35:03 > 0:35:06This was one of Los Angeles's largest parties.
0:35:16 > 0:35:19This was lined with people.
0:35:19 > 0:35:22SIRENS WAIL
0:35:28 > 0:35:31And they're running full speed down the street,
0:35:31 > 0:35:33trying to get to the location.
0:35:35 > 0:35:39We're not used to seeing those types of crowds rush in.
0:35:39 > 0:35:41CHANTING: OJ! OJ! OJ! OJ!
0:35:54 > 0:35:56District Attorney of Los Angeles,
0:35:56 > 0:35:58Mr Gil Garcetti, will the fact that he has fled
0:35:58 > 0:36:00make things worse for him?
0:36:00 > 0:36:04Any time you have an accused who leaves,
0:36:04 > 0:36:08that and the fact, we believe, shows a consciousness of guilt.
0:36:12 > 0:36:15- CHANTING:- Free OJ! Free OJ!
0:36:21 > 0:36:25I think earlier in the week, all of us close to OJ
0:36:25 > 0:36:29didn't believe that he had been involved in this.
0:36:29 > 0:36:31And now I think there's a sense of resignation
0:36:31 > 0:36:33and has been for the last 24 hours, and
0:36:33 > 0:36:36we can't believe what's happening - there was nothing ever, ever
0:36:36 > 0:36:38in the past that would indicate
0:36:38 > 0:36:41OJ would be capable of doing what he is doing right now.
0:36:45 > 0:36:46They did let you go?
0:36:46 > 0:36:49They didn't say anything. All of a sudden, they just...
0:36:51 > 0:36:53What was that?
0:36:55 > 0:36:57Yeah.
0:36:57 > 0:37:00Oh, OK. CBS is trying to get you in.
0:37:00 > 0:37:03Now, he's pulling off now, they've just pulled off a main highway.
0:37:03 > 0:37:07- Judy Muller, help us here. - I can't tell you, looks like
0:37:07 > 0:37:10Santa Monica Freeway, heading... I can't tell you yet.
0:37:12 > 0:37:15- Look at these people rushing to the corner.- No, it's an exit.
0:37:15 > 0:37:17This word has obviously spread.
0:37:17 > 0:37:19Judy, hang on, look at all these people rushing, waving...
0:37:19 > 0:37:22SIRENS WAIL
0:37:27 > 0:37:33There is an absolutely, utterly macabre nature to all this.
0:37:35 > 0:37:38They've been cheering him on, yelling, "Go, Juice, go."
0:37:38 > 0:37:40Cheering him on?
0:37:40 > 0:37:41He pulled off at Sunset,
0:37:41 > 0:37:45off the 405. He's on his way back toward Brentwood.
0:37:48 > 0:37:51When I got on scene there, I walked toward the residence,
0:37:51 > 0:37:55there was family inside the residence and they were eating.
0:37:55 > 0:37:57Looked like they had, like, a sandwich buffet
0:37:57 > 0:38:00that they were doing and they were watching TV.
0:38:08 > 0:38:10Dining.
0:38:11 > 0:38:13I use that clinical term.
0:38:14 > 0:38:15Nutty.
0:38:18 > 0:38:20SIRENS WAIL
0:38:24 > 0:38:26Both sides of the street
0:38:26 > 0:38:30have pedestrians. He just passed us at Barrington.
0:38:30 > 0:38:34OK, Eric, it's only now probably three minutes at the most, I would
0:38:34 > 0:38:38- say, to his home in Brentwood. - That's right.
0:38:42 > 0:38:45They're passing the church of Saltaire.
0:38:45 > 0:38:47They are heading right into Brentwood now.
0:38:47 > 0:38:49He's heading to my house.
0:38:49 > 0:38:51LAUGHTER
0:38:53 > 0:38:55He's making a right turn - I assume that's up into Brentwood Park -
0:38:55 > 0:38:58and appears to be on the way to
0:38:58 > 0:39:02either his home or very close to his home.
0:39:02 > 0:39:04We closed the gate on Rockingham.
0:39:04 > 0:39:07We left this one open to force him through
0:39:07 > 0:39:10and make him come into where we wanted him.
0:39:13 > 0:39:15Stay back, everybody!
0:39:19 > 0:39:21There was a sniper team in this house across the street,
0:39:21 > 0:39:24there's a sniper team on top of the roof at the residence.
0:39:24 > 0:39:26And there was one across the street.
0:39:26 > 0:39:30- POLICE RADIO:- Use your discretion. You take him down if you have to.
0:39:32 > 0:39:34When did you see the kids last, Juice?
0:39:34 > 0:39:36He's pulling up in my driveway.
0:39:36 > 0:39:38I know, I see you, I see you.
0:39:38 > 0:39:42Please, toss the gun. Juice, just toss it.
0:39:42 > 0:39:45He's pulling into his house? Oh, shit.
0:39:45 > 0:39:49I've never seen anything like this. Mr Simpson, OJ, please.
0:39:50 > 0:39:52When we're standing in the threshold there,
0:39:52 > 0:39:54to my right is a television,
0:39:54 > 0:39:59so when the Bronco pulls into the driveway
0:39:59 > 0:40:03I see Bronco, Cawlings, Simpson in the back seat
0:40:03 > 0:40:07and then I look right here and I get the point of view you're seeing.
0:40:07 > 0:40:12- Oh, my goodness gracious. - He's come home after all of that.
0:40:12 > 0:40:16Just as we're trying to get words out,
0:40:16 > 0:40:19a young man runs up to the driver's side of the door
0:40:19 > 0:40:21and starts hitting at AC Cawlings.
0:40:23 > 0:40:27All right, who is that out there? He's just trying to help.
0:40:27 > 0:40:29He's just trying to help, man.
0:40:29 > 0:40:35Kardashian said, "That's Jason Simpson. That's OJ's son."
0:40:35 > 0:40:39So I told Pete and Rick, I said, "Go out there and get him."
0:40:42 > 0:40:45Moved him out.
0:40:45 > 0:40:50And now we get down to the business that we had designed.
0:40:50 > 0:40:54At this juncture, it's very fragile.
0:40:54 > 0:40:58What exacerbates, what makes it crazy, is the noise.
0:40:58 > 0:41:01You had a helicopter, it seemed like about 50 feet
0:41:01 > 0:41:06off the deck, every car that was in the following
0:41:06 > 0:41:09had their red lights and sirens on.
0:41:10 > 0:41:12If you just take a snapshot,
0:41:12 > 0:41:15you would go, "This is madness, absolute madness."
0:41:20 > 0:41:22I watched that from the newsroom,
0:41:22 > 0:41:24and when I saw a couple of the SWAT officers
0:41:24 > 0:41:27who I recognised run across the shot, I thought,
0:41:27 > 0:41:30"Oh, my God, they're going to kill him in the driveway."
0:41:30 > 0:41:33Just toss it, please. All right?
0:41:36 > 0:41:39Juice, just toss the gun.
0:41:39 > 0:41:41I did not want him to get out of the car with a gun in his hand.
0:41:41 > 0:41:45They'd have dumped him. They would not have had a choice.
0:41:47 > 0:41:51Juice, come on. Juice?
0:41:53 > 0:41:55They resolve most situations peacefully,
0:41:55 > 0:41:58but they are there to finish it one way or another.
0:41:58 > 0:42:00OJ, no. No, OJ.
0:42:04 > 0:42:08Don't. No. Hey, man, don't. Juice, don't do it. Juice!
0:42:10 > 0:42:12Pick it up.
0:42:12 > 0:42:17I'm thinking, "OK, there are a lot of people that are betting on us
0:42:17 > 0:42:20"that we're going to screw this up, that are cynical,
0:42:20 > 0:42:25"that believe that we are a brutal, horrible organisation,"
0:42:25 > 0:42:27and it's just not the case.
0:42:31 > 0:42:36How do they know that the police and the DA didn't make all this
0:42:36 > 0:42:40evidence up to make him act the way that he's acting?
0:42:40 > 0:42:44We were recovering from Rodney King, and it's so important for the people
0:42:44 > 0:42:47to see things that go the right way.
0:42:47 > 0:42:49They so much on the news see things go the wrong way.
0:42:49 > 0:42:52Normally, that wouldn't be on my mind, but that night it was.
0:43:02 > 0:43:03Doors opening.
0:43:07 > 0:43:09That is Al Cawlings.
0:43:09 > 0:43:11- He's quite, quite upset at the moment.- Yeah.
0:43:11 > 0:43:14Quite emotional here.
0:43:14 > 0:43:18I've got to get Cawlings out. As much as he was trying to help,
0:43:18 > 0:43:21he was interfering in... what I needed to do.
0:43:21 > 0:43:23I needed to speak directly to Mr Simpson,
0:43:23 > 0:43:26to try and keep him from hurting himself,
0:43:26 > 0:43:29and Mr Cawlings was trying to be a go-between.
0:43:31 > 0:43:33He was very worried about his friend.
0:43:33 > 0:43:35He kept asking us, "Please don't hurt him,
0:43:35 > 0:43:38"please don't hurt him, please."
0:43:38 > 0:43:41And he wanted to go back, he wanted to stay with his friend.
0:43:41 > 0:43:44And we wouldn't allow it. We can't.
0:43:44 > 0:43:45Police haven't made any move.
0:43:45 > 0:43:50We understand negotiations are still going on.
0:43:50 > 0:43:56Simpson, you can see him cradling what looks like framed photos,
0:43:56 > 0:43:59but clearly he has the barrel of a weapon under his chin
0:43:59 > 0:44:01and it looks like he's just resting his
0:44:01 > 0:44:06chin on the barrel of the weapon. It was the look of a defeated man.
0:44:12 > 0:44:13They are, according to police scanners,
0:44:13 > 0:44:16talking to OJ on the phone, from inside
0:44:16 > 0:44:19the house, trying to negotiate something.
0:44:20 > 0:44:23I said to him very early on,
0:44:23 > 0:44:28"I don't think your children need to see another tragedy."
0:44:28 > 0:44:31And he immediately changed the subject
0:44:31 > 0:44:34right to about himself. He wouldn't even speak to that.
0:44:34 > 0:44:37I said, "I know where he's coming from."
0:44:37 > 0:44:40There was so much memorabilia and stuff of him everywhere.
0:44:42 > 0:44:46Normally you would see other photos of family members or something else.
0:44:46 > 0:44:49You didn't see those things, it was all him.
0:44:49 > 0:44:54I told Mike Albanis, "Mike, I can talk him into it.
0:44:54 > 0:45:00"We can appeal to his ego enough that he's going to come out for us."
0:45:00 > 0:45:04His voice, in the beginning, was excited, but then it calmed down.
0:45:04 > 0:45:07The more we spoke about him, the more he liked it.
0:45:10 > 0:45:11"We want to show them that you're
0:45:11 > 0:45:13"still the person that you've been all these years,
0:45:13 > 0:45:17"this great football player, this great everything."
0:45:24 > 0:45:27He had asked me to come to the car. I said, "No, you're going to show
0:45:27 > 0:45:29"them yourself just how big and courageous you are.
0:45:29 > 0:45:32"You're going to walk to me and leave the gun in the car,
0:45:32 > 0:45:36"you're going to walk out and show everyone right now.
0:45:36 > 0:45:38"You're going to do this."
0:45:40 > 0:45:43My personal spin, I think he wanted
0:45:43 > 0:45:46to surrender when it was dark...
0:45:46 > 0:45:49so that he wouldn't be seen.
0:45:49 > 0:45:52Night has fallen here over Brentwood.
0:45:52 > 0:45:58He had two picture frames that were cradled in his arms.
0:45:58 > 0:46:03We told him, "Open the door, put your arm out with the frame
0:46:03 > 0:46:06"and the other arm out with the framed photo,
0:46:06 > 0:46:09"so it's clear to everybody, so there's no mistaking."
0:46:11 > 0:46:15Doors open, dome lights on, he's out of the vehicle.
0:46:15 > 0:46:18Kind of just hunches over...
0:46:18 > 0:46:23shuffles six, eight steps to us, and collapses in our arms.
0:46:24 > 0:46:29He goes, "I'm sorry, I was never going to hurt you guys. I'm sorry.
0:46:29 > 0:46:32"I was never going to hurt you guys."
0:46:32 > 0:46:35OJ's in custody. We understand OJ is in custody.
0:46:35 > 0:46:38They're calling a code four - "all clear, all safe".
0:46:39 > 0:46:42Thank you, thank you to God.
0:46:42 > 0:46:45REPORTERS ASK QUESTIONS
0:46:49 > 0:46:53Unbelievable, we saw an incredible situation that's gone on for hours.
0:46:53 > 0:46:58Incredible restraint by the Los Angeles Police Department.
0:46:58 > 0:47:00The officers kept their distance.
0:47:00 > 0:47:02They allowed the SWAT team, the pros,
0:47:02 > 0:47:06to come in, they took their positions.
0:47:06 > 0:47:09He had asked me to stay with him throughout the process.
0:47:09 > 0:47:12I promised him I would stay with him.
0:47:12 > 0:47:14I said, "It's time. I got to handcuff you now.
0:47:14 > 0:47:17"You need to be handcuffed. I'm sorry, this is the way it works."
0:47:17 > 0:47:18SIRENS WAIL
0:47:21 > 0:47:25And as we take off, Simpson is amazed at the crowds.
0:47:27 > 0:47:29He just couldn't believe there was this many people there.
0:47:29 > 0:47:32CHANTING: Free OJ! Free OJ!
0:47:32 > 0:47:34And he said...
0:47:34 > 0:47:36.."What are all these niggers doing in Brentwood?"
0:47:36 > 0:47:39CROWD CHEERING
0:47:45 > 0:47:48And I walk outside and Shapiro's there.
0:47:48 > 0:47:50Shapiro shakes my hand, he says,
0:47:50 > 0:47:53"Thank you for not killing OJ Simpson."
0:47:53 > 0:47:57He grabbed me and went to hug me, and I go, "Let's just..."
0:47:57 > 0:48:00I wasn't in the mood for a hug,
0:48:00 > 0:48:03and maybe I wasn't professional.
0:48:06 > 0:48:10I don't know the frickin' guy, right? And he wants to weep on me?
0:48:14 > 0:48:17Well, this is one nutty day. It really is.
0:48:17 > 0:48:21I said, "I have seen everything in law enforcement.
0:48:21 > 0:48:23"There is nothing else that can top this."
0:49:13 > 0:49:15Later today in Los Angeles, OJ Simpson
0:49:15 > 0:49:18is expected to make his first court appearance.
0:49:18 > 0:49:21OJ has been in jail, under a suicide watch,
0:49:21 > 0:49:23visited only by a psychiatrist and his lawyer.
0:49:25 > 0:49:26Please...
0:49:32 > 0:49:34All right, people.
0:49:39 > 0:49:42Please speak up so you may be heard.
0:49:42 > 0:49:43Uh, yes.
0:49:44 > 0:49:47- Pardon me, I'm sorry. - May we start all over again?
0:49:47 > 0:49:48Yes.
0:49:51 > 0:49:54He looked a mess.
0:49:54 > 0:49:58He looked like someone who had committed murder.
0:49:58 > 0:50:02There was nothing about the old, smiling Simpson about him that day.
0:50:04 > 0:50:06You're charged with this complaint,
0:50:06 > 0:50:08that you wilfully and unlawfully and with malice
0:50:08 > 0:50:11aforethought murder Nicole Brown Simpson.
0:50:12 > 0:50:15In count two, you are charged with committing the crime
0:50:15 > 0:50:18of murder in violation of penal code section 187,
0:50:18 > 0:50:21in that you wilfully, unlawfully and with malice
0:50:21 > 0:50:25aforethought murder Ronald Lyle Goldman.
0:50:25 > 0:50:28When he initially entered the plea,
0:50:28 > 0:50:30he barely choked it out.
0:50:30 > 0:50:33Not guilty.
0:50:33 > 0:50:35All right, the not guilty plea will
0:50:35 > 0:50:37be entered, the case will be set for a
0:50:37 > 0:50:41preliminary hearing within the statutory period. Recess.
0:50:42 > 0:50:45This case will be handled as every case is handled.
0:50:45 > 0:50:47The case will be thoroughly investigated by top-notch
0:50:47 > 0:50:51investigators, we will present the prosecution
0:50:51 > 0:50:53in a thorough and professional manner.
0:50:54 > 0:50:56I, amongst others, recommended her.
0:50:56 > 0:50:59I was aware of her successes in the courtroom.
0:50:59 > 0:51:02I knew she was a very dynamic trial lawyer...
0:51:02 > 0:51:06I want no-one to forget that Robert Bardo wakes up every morning
0:51:06 > 0:51:10and Rebecca Schaeffer lies buried in a grave in Oregon.
0:51:10 > 0:51:16..worked extraordinarily hard, she was very facile with trace evidence,
0:51:16 > 0:51:22hair, fibre and the like. She was up to speed on DNA.
0:51:22 > 0:51:24She was one of our best trial lawyers.
0:51:24 > 0:51:27I think that with all the questions that we've been getting about the
0:51:27 > 0:51:30public sympathy for Mr Simpson, we should not forget the fact that
0:51:30 > 0:51:33we have two victims who were brutally slain.
0:51:33 > 0:51:35I have to say, it never mattered to me
0:51:35 > 0:51:38who the defendant was, it was a question of who did it.
0:51:38 > 0:51:40Whether they're famous, whether they're not famous,
0:51:40 > 0:51:43they all get the same treatment.
0:51:43 > 0:51:50You are looking at inmate number 4103970, OJ Simpson.
0:51:50 > 0:51:52CAMERA CLICKS
0:51:56 > 0:51:59CELL DOORS SHUT
0:52:04 > 0:52:06I believed he was innocent.
0:52:06 > 0:52:09I was like everybody else, it was incomprehensible
0:52:09 > 0:52:11that my friend could do this.
0:52:13 > 0:52:16I snuck into the jail to see him, and
0:52:16 > 0:52:20there's this guy that was my buddy, and...
0:52:21 > 0:52:24..he looked emaciated.
0:52:24 > 0:52:27He was in an orange jumpsuit,
0:52:27 > 0:52:31and he was shackled to the desk in front of me.
0:52:34 > 0:52:39Then he looked at me on the other side of the Plexiglas
0:52:39 > 0:52:45as close as he could be and said, "I swear to God, I didn't do this."
0:52:45 > 0:52:47I believed him.
0:52:47 > 0:52:51He asked me if I kind of would be the chronicler of the whole thing,
0:52:51 > 0:52:54would I write a book about the whole thing.
0:52:54 > 0:52:56I backed away from that.
0:52:58 > 0:53:02Then, in a moment of ultimate surrealism,
0:53:02 > 0:53:04I'm sitting with OJ...
0:53:05 > 0:53:08..and Lyle Menendez walks behind him.
0:53:09 > 0:53:13And I went, "Shit, this is more than my little pea brain can handle."
0:53:42 > 0:53:46Bob, OJ Simpson is in a Los Angeles jail cell tonight.
0:53:46 > 0:53:50His attorney says he spoke to him today and that Simpson was in tears.
0:53:50 > 0:53:53Now, Cawlings was himself arrested
0:53:53 > 0:53:55on a felony charge of aiding a fugitive.
0:53:55 > 0:53:59- Get away from my- BLEEP- house. - Simpson had 10,000 in cash
0:53:59 > 0:54:00and a passport...
0:54:00 > 0:54:04I love OJ no matter what happens.
0:54:04 > 0:54:07Murder with special circumstances. Death penalty charges.
0:54:07 > 0:54:11The final DNA tests are positive for all intents and purposes.
0:54:11 > 0:54:15OJ Simpson really has no option but to admit he killed them.
0:54:15 > 0:54:16The man who will lead the prosecution
0:54:16 > 0:54:18of the case against OJ Simpson
0:54:18 > 0:54:20is Los Angeles District Attorney Gil Garcetti.
0:54:20 > 0:54:24You said earlier, "It's not going to shock me if we see OJ Simpson
0:54:24 > 0:54:26"sometime down the road say, 'OK,
0:54:26 > 0:54:29"'I did do it, but I'm not responsible.'"
0:54:29 > 0:54:32That sounded like a prosecutor very comfortable with his case.
0:54:32 > 0:54:35I am comfortable with the case. I don't mean to speculate as to what
0:54:35 > 0:54:38the defence is going to be, but I have been a prosecutor for 25 years.
0:54:38 > 0:54:41'The evidence was so overwhelming.'
0:54:41 > 0:54:43There was just no doubt.
0:54:45 > 0:54:49A blood trail that led from Bundy all the way into his bedroom.
0:54:50 > 0:54:52I don't think I'd ever seen
0:54:52 > 0:54:55that much evidence in any single case ever.
0:54:57 > 0:55:01When you couple that with evidence of motivation,
0:55:01 > 0:55:05and that was the history of domestic violence,
0:55:05 > 0:55:07with Simpson physically and
0:55:07 > 0:55:10psychologically abusing Nicole Brown.
0:55:10 > 0:55:12This is my woman.
0:55:12 > 0:55:15This was a domestic violence case that culminated in murder.
0:55:15 > 0:55:17End of story.
0:55:19 > 0:55:22Both sides are going to try to play the publicity their way,
0:55:22 > 0:55:25but because this is a major celebrity,
0:55:25 > 0:55:29probably this is the most famous American ever charged with murder,
0:55:29 > 0:55:31there will not business as usual.
0:55:34 > 0:55:37My former criminal law professor, Alan Dershowitz,
0:55:37 > 0:55:41was part of what would later become known as the dream team,
0:55:41 > 0:55:43OJ Simpson's lawyers.
0:55:43 > 0:55:44So I called up Alan, and I said,
0:55:44 > 0:55:47"You know, what do you think of this case?"
0:55:47 > 0:55:50And he said, "I don't know,
0:55:50 > 0:55:53"but you ought to look into this guy, this cop...
0:55:54 > 0:55:58"..Mark Fuhrman. There's something bad about him."
0:56:00 > 0:56:02I first met Mark during the
0:56:02 > 0:56:05execution of a second search warrant.
0:56:05 > 0:56:08I was impressed. He seemed to have an eye for detail.
0:56:08 > 0:56:12Some of his investigative moves, particularly going up to Rockingham,
0:56:12 > 0:56:16struck me that this is a smart detective.
0:56:16 > 0:56:20Mark Fuhrman, M-A-R-K F-U-H-R-M-A-N.
0:56:21 > 0:56:24When he testified at the preliminary hearing, he did a really good job.
0:56:24 > 0:56:26Blood to the left of a footprint
0:56:26 > 0:56:28would indicate that the person that left
0:56:28 > 0:56:32the scene was bleeding from the left side of his body.
0:56:32 > 0:56:36And the spot on the Bronco could coincide with that injury.
0:56:38 > 0:56:42He was on top of his game. His memory of the search of
0:56:42 > 0:56:47Rockingham was the primary thing, and it was detailed and consistent.
0:56:47 > 0:56:50And why was it that you did not secure the residence
0:56:50 > 0:56:53for a search warrant before finding the glove?
0:56:54 > 0:56:59This is not a situation where we had the time to stand out in the
0:56:59 > 0:57:03street and just wait and wonder. We had to do something.
0:57:06 > 0:57:10I thought, "Maybe this guy Fuhrman has done something wrong.
0:57:10 > 0:57:12"Maybe he's been sued."
0:57:15 > 0:57:22There was this dungeon-like basement in downtown Los Angeles with all
0:57:22 > 0:57:24the records of civil-court filings,
0:57:24 > 0:57:27and I started burrowing through these records
0:57:27 > 0:57:30looking for Mark Fuhrman as a defendant.
0:57:30 > 0:57:33And that's not what I found.
0:57:33 > 0:57:37I found a lawsuit where Mark Fuhrman was the plaintiff.
0:57:37 > 0:57:43He had actually sued the Los Angeles Pension Board
0:57:43 > 0:57:49asking to be relieved as a police officer
0:57:49 > 0:57:53and get a pension because his mind
0:57:53 > 0:57:56was so poisoned by hatred of black people.
0:58:00 > 0:58:03And I thought to myself, "Now that's a story."
0:58:07 > 0:58:12I show up uninvited at Robert Shapiro's office
0:58:12 > 0:58:15and I say, "I've been looking at Mark Fuhrman's file
0:58:15 > 0:58:18"and there's some pretty amazing stuff in there."
0:58:18 > 0:58:21And I remember, to this day, he sort of rocked back in his chair.
0:58:21 > 0:58:24He says, "You saw that?" I said, "Yeah."
0:58:24 > 0:58:28He says, "You think that's bad? We think he planted the glove."
0:58:28 > 0:58:30CAMERA CLICKS
0:58:33 > 0:58:39Fuhrman, according to this article, had used a lot of racial epithets.
0:58:39 > 0:58:41Having that out there
0:58:41 > 0:58:44really brought home the fact we've got a
0:58:44 > 0:58:47dynamic here we're going to have to deal with.
0:58:47 > 0:58:53They found a flaw in me and then they made up a nexus,
0:58:53 > 0:58:55a connection to the flaw to the case.
0:59:00 > 0:59:02I mean, I had a bad couple years...
0:59:05 > 0:59:09..but I came out...
0:59:10 > 0:59:12..better, I came out of it.
0:59:16 > 0:59:18It is what it is.
0:59:20 > 0:59:24That article came out at just about the same time Johnnie Cochran
0:59:24 > 0:59:26was coming aboard the defence team.
0:59:26 > 0:59:32And my thought at the time was, "Here comes the race card."
0:59:32 > 0:59:33GOSPEL MUSIC
0:59:39 > 0:59:41My name is Johnnie L Cochran Jr.
0:59:41 > 0:59:45I am primarily a civil-rights lawyer,
0:59:45 > 0:59:46and I represent a number of clients
0:59:46 > 0:59:49who have had their civil rights abridged.
0:59:50 > 0:59:55He and his firm were central players in this story
0:59:55 > 0:59:58of the LAPD and race in Los Angeles.
0:59:58 > 1:00:02Growing up in America, any African American will tell you that
1:00:02 > 1:00:06we know we have to run faster, jump higher, work harder,
1:00:06 > 1:00:08to do the same thing anyone else has to do.
1:00:08 > 1:00:09APPLAUSE
1:00:09 > 1:00:13Johnnie Cochran was always the icon
1:00:13 > 1:00:17to young black and brown and oppressed people in Los Angeles
1:00:17 > 1:00:20because Johnnie was that young,
1:00:20 > 1:00:25dashing lawyer who took on the police.
1:00:25 > 1:00:28Johnnie Cochran made his name
1:00:28 > 1:00:31as a public lawyer in the Deadwyler case.
1:00:31 > 1:00:37The latest explosion of violence in Watts really began here 11 days ago.
1:00:37 > 1:00:38A negro motorist driving down here
1:00:38 > 1:00:40was rushing his wife to the hospital.
1:00:40 > 1:00:42She was having labour pains.
1:00:42 > 1:00:45They were stopped, stopped by a white patrolman.
1:00:45 > 1:00:50One policeman got out and came around to my side,
1:00:50 > 1:00:53and my husband leaned over me and asked him if he would
1:00:53 > 1:00:56lead him out to the hospital to...care of me.
1:00:58 > 1:01:03And then he...he didn't say anything, and he shot him.
1:01:04 > 1:01:07And he fell over me.
1:01:14 > 1:01:18Mr Cochran would like to know, did you get inside the Deadwyler car
1:01:18 > 1:01:21with the upper part of your body voluntarily?
1:01:21 > 1:01:23Yes, sir.
1:01:23 > 1:01:25Mr Cochran would like to know,
1:01:25 > 1:01:29did you observe any weapons within the Deadwyler car?
1:01:29 > 1:01:32- No, sir, I did not. - "Mr Cochran wants to know" -
1:01:32 > 1:01:34that became the catchphrase, because
1:01:34 > 1:01:37the lawyer himself could not ask the questions.
1:01:37 > 1:01:40He had to go through the county council.
1:01:40 > 1:01:43Mr Cochran would like to know if you've been trained to keep your
1:01:43 > 1:01:46- weapon away from a suspect. - Yes, sir.
1:01:46 > 1:01:51Johnnie was, like, 27, 28 years old then. He was a young whippersnapper.
1:01:53 > 1:01:55Mr Cochran would like to know,
1:01:55 > 1:01:57while you were at the Los Angeles police academy,
1:01:57 > 1:01:59did they train you to put your
1:01:59 > 1:02:02upper part of your body inside a car?
1:02:04 > 1:02:06Not specifically that, no.
1:02:14 > 1:02:16Because it was a televised trial...
1:02:18 > 1:02:21..he became a hero to everybody in the South Central community.
1:02:26 > 1:02:31Few people had higher standing, deeper standing.
1:02:31 > 1:02:36Johnnie was always that stalwart defender of justice,
1:02:36 > 1:02:39fighting against the Bastille.
1:02:39 > 1:02:42Each of the defendants across the board were found not guilty of the
1:02:42 > 1:02:44assaults on the police officers.
1:02:44 > 1:02:46Mr Settles was beaten. The booking photos show that.
1:02:46 > 1:02:49I want to know if they had anything to do with his death.
1:02:49 > 1:02:51I want to know whether or not he hung himself
1:02:51 > 1:02:53or whether or not he was hung.
1:02:53 > 1:02:56The only version that you heard of what transpired was what the
1:02:56 > 1:02:58police officers told you, isn't that correct?
1:03:00 > 1:03:02It's not that Johnnie was the only good lawyer for OJ Simpson,
1:03:02 > 1:03:05but I would say that he and his firm
1:03:05 > 1:03:07were the only lawyers that would really understand
1:03:07 > 1:03:10and argue this case in the context of
1:03:10 > 1:03:14the LAPD's relationship to African Americans.
1:03:14 > 1:03:17Now, did he also like a big celebrity trial? You bet.
1:03:17 > 1:03:19Michael Jackson has maintained
1:03:19 > 1:03:22his innocence from the beginning of this matter.
1:03:22 > 1:03:25He still maintains that innocence.
1:03:25 > 1:03:29He was a big character, he was flamboyant.
1:03:29 > 1:03:30- I love you. CHILD:- Hi, Johnnie!
1:03:30 > 1:03:32- God bless you.- Thank you.
1:03:32 > 1:03:35We were talking about different styles of lawyering
1:03:35 > 1:03:37and how you make a case to a jury, and he said
1:03:37 > 1:03:39about predominately African American juries,
1:03:39 > 1:03:41he goes, "Jimmy" - which is what he used to call me -
1:03:41 > 1:03:43- he said, "Jimmy, blacks like big." - LAUGHING
1:03:43 > 1:03:45And he liked to be big.
1:03:59 > 1:04:03My daughter was in the Watts parade, and
1:04:03 > 1:04:07Johnnie Cochran was the grand marshal.
1:04:08 > 1:04:12He said, "I want to see you guys at the trial."
1:04:14 > 1:04:19I hadn't planned to go, but since he asked me,
1:04:19 > 1:04:22I said, "Well, Johnnie wants me to come, and he asked me to come,
1:04:22 > 1:04:25"so I'm coming down here. I'm going to find a way to get here every day.
1:04:30 > 1:04:33OJ Simpson is about to appear in a Los Angeles courtroom.
1:04:33 > 1:04:36He's going to enter a plea, a date for trial is going to be set,
1:04:36 > 1:04:41and a judge to oversee the trial is going to be appointed.
1:04:41 > 1:04:45This is the time set for the arraignment of Mr Simpson.
1:04:45 > 1:04:48Mr Simpson, you are charged with the crime of murder.
1:04:48 > 1:04:51- Are you ready to enter a plea at this time?- Yes, Your Honour.
1:04:51 > 1:04:54How do you plea to counts one and two?
1:04:54 > 1:04:57Absolutely 100% not guilty.
1:04:57 > 1:05:01That's what I want to hear, you're not guilty.
1:05:01 > 1:05:03He was back on his feet and ready
1:05:03 > 1:05:05to tell the whole world that he was wrongly accused.
1:05:05 > 1:05:08And it was just the biggest bunch of horse shit.
1:05:08 > 1:05:09Thank you, you may be seated.
1:05:09 > 1:05:11But he sold it.
1:05:13 > 1:05:18I gave him a thumbs up. He looked over to me and he waved at me.
1:05:18 > 1:05:21He was very good-looking.
1:05:21 > 1:05:24And that day he was REALLY good-looking.
1:05:26 > 1:05:29I may not have thought he was a big celebrity, but it
1:05:29 > 1:05:33became really clear to me super fast that he was to others.
1:05:33 > 1:05:38OJ Simpson, I really admire the guy. Football, and a great actor.
1:05:38 > 1:05:41OJ Simpson has been a hero of mine since college.
1:05:41 > 1:05:44I think he's a great man and a great hero
1:05:44 > 1:05:46and has touched a lot of lives.
1:05:47 > 1:05:48I don't think he did it.
1:05:48 > 1:05:52He don't seem like that kind of person.
1:05:52 > 1:05:56I'm assigning the case to Judge Lance Ito.
1:05:56 > 1:06:00Judge Ito is a choice that's acceptable to counsel.
1:06:00 > 1:06:03Judge Ito will be acceptable for the People, as well.
1:06:03 > 1:06:06Very well. Thank you. Then that is the assignment.
1:06:06 > 1:06:10Here's the first time we'll really get to see the system,
1:06:10 > 1:06:12to see if it really works
1:06:12 > 1:06:16for someone with some money, a celebrity...
1:06:16 > 1:06:20a well-loved, respected, cherished type of man.
1:06:20 > 1:06:25Now, let's see if justice can work for him.
1:06:38 > 1:06:40There's nothing more important
1:06:40 > 1:06:44during a jury trial than the selection of your jury.
1:06:47 > 1:06:50I mean, you can win or lose your case right there.
1:06:52 > 1:06:55The issue of where to conduct the trial,
1:06:55 > 1:07:00the Santa Monica courthouse, largely white jury pool,
1:07:01 > 1:07:04downtown LA, largely black jury pool.
1:07:05 > 1:07:07Gil Garcetti, the DA, always said,
1:07:07 > 1:07:10"Well, it just logistically had to be downtown."
1:07:10 > 1:07:13A lot of us thought that Gil Garcetti,
1:07:13 > 1:07:16elected official, needed to protect
1:07:16 > 1:07:18his reputation in the black community,
1:07:18 > 1:07:22a big voting block, by keeping the case downtown.
1:07:22 > 1:07:26I'm confident that we can, indeed,
1:07:26 > 1:07:29find white, black, brown, every colour juror
1:07:29 > 1:07:33there is who will, indeed, be fair and impartial.
1:07:33 > 1:07:38I think it would have been societally better,
1:07:38 > 1:07:42from the DA's perspective, to win a conviction downtown
1:07:42 > 1:07:45and to not be accused of having stacked this
1:07:45 > 1:07:49in such a way that whites were to stand in judgment of black men.
1:07:52 > 1:07:54If you have a juror who believes
1:07:54 > 1:07:58the police never do anything wrong, you're in tough shape.
1:07:58 > 1:08:01Certainly, you can find most people
1:08:01 > 1:08:03want to believe their police officers are
1:08:03 > 1:08:07fair and want to do their job and so that's a given, you start with that,
1:08:07 > 1:08:09but you've got to find that person who
1:08:09 > 1:08:13understands that in the real world that doesn't happen all the time.
1:08:15 > 1:08:19We interviewed over 5,000 people in Los Angeles
1:08:19 > 1:08:22in preparation for the OJ Simpson trial.
1:08:22 > 1:08:25The conclusions were that...
1:08:25 > 1:08:28just presenting the straight-up evidence,
1:08:28 > 1:08:30you weren't going to get a lot of
1:08:30 > 1:08:34sympathetic African American females.
1:08:34 > 1:08:38Many harboured a resentment that this famous athlete,
1:08:38 > 1:08:42this charming guy, had married a white, blonde woman
1:08:42 > 1:08:46rather than someone from his own community.
1:08:46 > 1:08:50But the antagonism was to her and not him.
1:08:50 > 1:08:52OJ, you look gorgeous right now.
1:08:54 > 1:08:59How come you're so loyal to this man who married a white woman
1:08:59 > 1:09:03and was dating her while he was married to a black woman?
1:09:05 > 1:09:11I mean, doesn't any of this make you feel a little less defensive of him?
1:09:11 > 1:09:17Marcia Clark had this faith about her ability to connect
1:09:17 > 1:09:20with African American women.
1:09:20 > 1:09:24African American women had been some of my best jurors on previous cases,
1:09:24 > 1:09:27even when the defendant was an African American.
1:09:27 > 1:09:31There was just a way, an easy way I had, that I could talk to them.
1:09:31 > 1:09:33Now we will show you the other side of the smiling face you
1:09:33 > 1:09:35saw on the Hertz commercial...
1:09:35 > 1:09:37We had trial simulations.
1:09:37 > 1:09:39..the one you never saw on camera.
1:09:39 > 1:09:44Marcia was not received positively.
1:09:44 > 1:09:48Marcia Clark, every black woman, "Bitch."
1:09:50 > 1:09:54When they had the mock jury, the mock trial, and some of the comments
1:09:54 > 1:09:58came back about you, about maybe being really hard or tough, what did
1:09:58 > 1:09:59you think when you heard some of that?
1:09:59 > 1:10:03I was very surprised. The balance of them
1:10:03 > 1:10:05said good things, so, you know, the media
1:10:05 > 1:10:10takes one kernel and blows it up into a huge bowl of popcorn.
1:10:11 > 1:10:16Marcia tended to discount the fact that black women jurors didn't
1:10:16 > 1:10:18seem to appreciate her very much.
1:10:20 > 1:10:24'I had no illusions about what I was going to be up against.'
1:10:24 > 1:10:25The odds were stacked against us
1:10:25 > 1:10:27in terms of the African American jurors,
1:10:27 > 1:10:29because that's what the polls showed.
1:10:29 > 1:10:33A California poll released today found that only 10% of blacks
1:10:33 > 1:10:37who were surveyed believed it is very likely that Simpson was guilty.
1:10:39 > 1:10:42The ideal juror would have been
1:10:42 > 1:10:45younger, ie someone not familiar
1:10:45 > 1:10:51with Simpson at the height of his fame, Asian or probably white.
1:10:53 > 1:11:00All we want, just give me 12 fair, responsible, unbiased jurors
1:11:00 > 1:11:04who are going to follow the law and put aside their personal feelings
1:11:04 > 1:11:08and do what the court and the law requires.
1:11:14 > 1:11:17In Los Angeles today, the judge and lawyers
1:11:17 > 1:11:19in the OJ Simpson murder trial began
1:11:19 > 1:11:22interviewing prospective jurors face-to-face.
1:11:28 > 1:11:33Just to set the scene for you, when all of the jurors walk in,
1:11:33 > 1:11:37all the attorneys are lined up like a receiving line,
1:11:37 > 1:11:39and several times during the proceedings,
1:11:39 > 1:11:43OJ Simpson would turn and seem to make eye contact with people
1:11:43 > 1:11:47and occasionally smile at people in the audience.
1:12:17 > 1:12:19The quest for impartial jurors has
1:12:19 > 1:12:22been going on now for more than a month.
1:12:27 > 1:12:30They called me to the chair.
1:12:31 > 1:12:34When I sat down, I didn't even put my purse down,
1:12:34 > 1:12:37because I felt like it was going to be that quick,
1:12:37 > 1:12:38they'd say, "You're excused."
1:12:38 > 1:12:41I'm looking at the list. I know what's coming up.
1:12:41 > 1:12:44I know who's left behind me. I know what I've got in the box.
1:12:44 > 1:12:47I have to look and see am I going to do better or worse.
1:12:47 > 1:12:51There was a process of what I have labelled
1:12:51 > 1:12:53as "reverse Darwinism",
1:12:53 > 1:12:56what I call the survival of the most unfit jurors.
1:12:56 > 1:13:00Many, it seems, want to watch, but fewer wish to serve.
1:13:00 > 1:13:0391 of 219 people summoned for
1:13:03 > 1:13:05Simpson jury duty said in a questionnaire
1:13:05 > 1:13:09a likely six-month trial would be too great a hardship.
1:13:13 > 1:13:16I think it's the only way to assure
1:13:16 > 1:13:22that we are going to have a fair trial for both sides.
1:13:22 > 1:13:26Jurors who were available for six months
1:13:26 > 1:13:33skewed heavily towards a lower socioeconomic
1:13:33 > 1:13:39strata of jurors and a much more diverse jury pool.
1:13:39 > 1:13:41A lot of smart jurors who might have been
1:13:41 > 1:13:45open to DNA scientific evidence simply went by the wayside.
1:13:46 > 1:13:50We didn't have many of our type of juror.
1:13:51 > 1:13:54I thought, "OK, I better quit while I'm behind
1:13:54 > 1:13:56"and not get further behind," because it was
1:13:56 > 1:13:58only going to go downhill from there.
1:14:00 > 1:14:03They said, "Your Honour, we accept,"
1:14:03 > 1:14:07and at that point, I sunk in my chair.
1:14:07 > 1:14:08I was stunned.
1:14:08 > 1:14:14"Oh, my God! Oh, my God!" And I told my daughter,
1:14:14 > 1:14:18and she said, "Oh, Mother, oh, my God."
1:14:19 > 1:14:24Huh! And my son, he said, "Oh, my God, Mother."
1:14:25 > 1:14:29Mm. And that was it.
1:14:29 > 1:14:33In the end, we did the best we could with a bad lot.
1:14:35 > 1:14:38We wound up with eight African American women.
1:14:38 > 1:14:41I thought, "You know, it'll be an uphill battle,
1:14:41 > 1:14:44"but I think they'll listen."
1:14:44 > 1:14:46"Thrilled. We're thrilled."
1:14:46 > 1:14:48We were so stunned
1:14:48 > 1:14:53that we had such a large collection of favourable jurors.
1:14:53 > 1:14:5775% of the actual jurors believed...
1:14:58 > 1:15:01..that he could not have committed these murders
1:15:01 > 1:15:03because he excelled at football at USC.
1:15:04 > 1:15:07The only thing that could get you through sometimes is that guys
1:15:07 > 1:15:09look at each other and say, "Hey, man, we are SC!"
1:15:09 > 1:15:12HE LAUGHS
1:15:12 > 1:15:17We were about to walk into the lockup from the courtroom.
1:15:17 > 1:15:21OJ looked back one last time.
1:15:21 > 1:15:24It was me, Johnnie. We were going back to talk about everything.
1:15:24 > 1:15:29And OJ said, "Guys, if this jury convicts me,
1:15:29 > 1:15:32"maybe I DID do it."
1:15:42 > 1:15:43BIRDSONG
1:15:55 > 1:15:59Now, it's taken seven months to reach this point.
1:16:02 > 1:16:05We are, and I think the client is, really, really pleased, that we
1:16:05 > 1:16:09can have someone stand up and speak to the tryers of fact.
1:16:10 > 1:16:14Time to stop posturing. Let's go to trial.
1:16:14 > 1:16:17Have a good one, everybody.
1:16:17 > 1:16:18Ready?
1:16:18 > 1:16:23Five, four, three, two, one.
1:16:27 > 1:16:30Counsel and the audience, please be seated.
1:16:32 > 1:16:35All right, are both sides prepared to go forward, Mr Cochran?
1:16:35 > 1:16:37- We are, Your Honour.- Ms Clark? - Yes, we are, Your Honour.
1:16:37 > 1:16:40All right, do the People wish to make an opening statement?
1:16:40 > 1:16:41Yes, we do.
1:16:41 > 1:16:44All right, you may proceed. Mr Darden? Thank you.
1:16:47 > 1:16:49When we started off,
1:16:49 > 1:16:53the prosecution had their team of lawyers.
1:16:53 > 1:16:56Your Honour Judge Ito, Mr Cochran,
1:16:56 > 1:16:58Mr Shapiro and Dean Allman...
1:16:59 > 1:17:01And here's this new face at the table.
1:17:01 > 1:17:05..and to you ladies and gentlemen of the jury, good morning.
1:17:05 > 1:17:08And I'm like, "Why did they bring him here?"
1:17:08 > 1:17:13And we're here today, obviously, to resolve an issue,
1:17:13 > 1:17:17to settle a question, a question that has been on the minds of
1:17:17 > 1:17:20people throughout the country these last seven months.
1:17:20 > 1:17:23It certainly has been on the mind of my people up in Richmond, California
1:17:23 > 1:17:26and friends in Fayetteville, Georgia and all across the country, and
1:17:26 > 1:17:29everybody wants to know, did OJ Simpson
1:17:29 > 1:17:32really kill Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman.
1:17:34 > 1:17:41It was apparent to everyone in America...
1:17:41 > 1:17:42why he was now on the case.
1:17:44 > 1:17:46Well, certainly because he was black.
1:17:46 > 1:17:49Because he was a good lawyer.
1:17:49 > 1:17:51"He's a good lawyer, we needed to add to the team,
1:17:51 > 1:17:53"thicken the team up." That's the party line.
1:17:55 > 1:17:59I thought Chris was a very good trial lawyer.
1:17:59 > 1:18:02Any questions for Chris?
1:18:02 > 1:18:04'He was young, he was learning.'
1:18:04 > 1:18:05Come on, man, come on.
1:18:05 > 1:18:09Look at this guy. Come on! We have to drag him over here.
1:18:09 > 1:18:10But he was very good.
1:18:12 > 1:18:15There was a little bit of cockiness,
1:18:15 > 1:18:18but it was not an offensive cockiness.
1:18:18 > 1:18:21I don't care what anybody says. I dress better than Johnnie Cochran.
1:18:21 > 1:18:22LAUGHTER
1:18:22 > 1:18:24Johnnie, I'm going to introduce you to my...
1:18:24 > 1:18:27Well, I'm going to show you the rack where I buy my suits.
1:18:27 > 1:18:33He had a pretty good reputation as someone who could build a case.
1:18:33 > 1:18:37And of course, most notably, Chris was black.
1:18:38 > 1:18:39And, uh...
1:18:42 > 1:18:44Marcia and I were not.
1:18:46 > 1:18:49You hear a lot about this talk about justice.
1:18:49 > 1:18:51I guess Dr Martin Luther King said it best
1:18:51 > 1:18:56when he said that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
1:18:56 > 1:19:00And so we are now embarked upon this search for justice.
1:19:01 > 1:19:05I have to tell you personally, for all the cases I've tried,
1:19:05 > 1:19:07I never felt so white.
1:19:07 > 1:19:10It seems to me that the fact that blood
1:19:10 > 1:19:14mysteriously appears on vital pieces of evidence
1:19:14 > 1:19:18and it's predicted what the results will be regarding DNA
1:19:18 > 1:19:22when that evidence is still in the police lab
1:19:22 > 1:19:27is devastating evidence of something far more sinister.
1:19:27 > 1:19:33Using the concept of a conspiracy, historically,
1:19:33 > 1:19:38in Los Angeles will resonate with diverse jurors
1:19:38 > 1:19:41who know about this history.
1:19:42 > 1:19:45You had to have someone to blame.
1:19:47 > 1:19:51Detective Mark Fuhrman, now, it's very interesting
1:19:51 > 1:19:56that the prosecution never once mentioned his name yesterday.
1:19:56 > 1:19:58It's like they just want to hide him.
1:19:58 > 1:20:01But they can't hide him. He's very much a part of this case.
1:20:03 > 1:20:07Chris Darden saw that this case
1:20:07 > 1:20:13was becoming this weird referendum on the LAPD...
1:20:13 > 1:20:15GLASS BREAKS
1:20:15 > 1:20:18..on the history of race in Los Angeles.
1:20:18 > 1:20:20MAN CRIES OUT
1:20:20 > 1:20:23And Chris, he understood those issues.
1:20:24 > 1:20:27He had worked in what was then our SID unit,
1:20:27 > 1:20:32which investigated police abuse cases.
1:20:33 > 1:20:35They obtained those warrants
1:20:35 > 1:20:38simply to level and make uninhabitable those locations.
1:20:38 > 1:20:40Any of the police officers that were
1:20:40 > 1:20:43called to testify by us lied on the stand.
1:20:43 > 1:20:46It was obvious to everyone that they were lying.
1:20:46 > 1:20:52Every black lawyer idolised Johnnie Cochran in 1994.
1:20:53 > 1:20:59And I say Chris Darden wanted to outJohnnie Johnnie.
1:21:00 > 1:21:07He wanted to beat the man on the biggest stage of his career.
1:21:13 > 1:21:15Police detective Mark Fuhrman,
1:21:15 > 1:21:19did he find or plant a bloody glove at Simpson's estate?
1:21:19 > 1:21:22Judge Lance Ito must soon decide whether the jury gets to hear
1:21:22 > 1:21:25about Detective Fuhrman's chequered past.
1:21:27 > 1:21:30We knew Fuhrman was going to be an important witness.
1:21:30 > 1:21:33People had indicated that he had used racist language
1:21:33 > 1:21:37in an offensive way, in a way that I think jurors
1:21:37 > 1:21:39and everybody else would not like.
1:21:39 > 1:21:42The N word, or any other racial epithet,
1:21:42 > 1:21:45has an inflammatory effect that is incomparable,
1:21:45 > 1:21:50and to that specific issue Mr Darden wishes to address the court, and
1:21:50 > 1:21:53- I think I'll conclude my comments at this time.- All right, thank you.
1:21:53 > 1:21:55Mr Darden, good morning.
1:21:55 > 1:21:59Good morning, Your Honour.
1:21:59 > 1:22:00Your Honour, I think the best indication
1:22:00 > 1:22:04or evidence of just how inflammatory the use of this word is
1:22:04 > 1:22:08is the fact that it appears that Mr Cochran and I,
1:22:08 > 1:22:12the only two black lead lawyers on each side of the counsel table,
1:22:12 > 1:22:16are somehow dragged into this issue, to argue the issue to the court.
1:22:16 > 1:22:22They used him to make the argument
1:22:22 > 1:22:24that an African American jury
1:22:24 > 1:22:28cannot listen to the utterance of that word
1:22:28 > 1:22:32in some sort of dispassionate, objective way.
1:22:32 > 1:22:33It blinds people.
1:22:35 > 1:22:38It will blind the jury. It will blind them to the truth.
1:22:38 > 1:22:42They won't be able to discern what's true and what's not.
1:22:42 > 1:22:45He hit the nail on the head. He said, "If you do this, you know,
1:22:45 > 1:22:48"then that's all this case is going to be about."
1:22:48 > 1:22:51All they'll think about is "frame-up, frame-up, frame-up".
1:22:51 > 1:22:53All they have to do is mention the word,
1:22:53 > 1:22:55say to Mark Fuhrman, "Hey, did you ever
1:22:55 > 1:22:57"use that N word?", and he'll say, "Yeah," and it's over,
1:22:57 > 1:23:00he must have planted the glove.
1:23:00 > 1:23:03I remember whispering to Johnnie,
1:23:03 > 1:23:05"Is this nigger serious?"
1:23:05 > 1:23:07And I'm not saying Mark Fuhrman is a racist.
1:23:07 > 1:23:08"Is this nigger crazy?"
1:23:08 > 1:23:11He was suffering from stress, and it has to be stressful to be a
1:23:11 > 1:23:13police officer in the city of LA - jeez, the stuff that's going on
1:23:13 > 1:23:17in this city in the last five to six years.
1:23:17 > 1:23:18"Is he serious?
1:23:19 > 1:23:22"Or is he just carrying the white man's bucket?"
1:23:22 > 1:23:25It will give them a test, and the test will be whose side are you on,
1:23:25 > 1:23:28the side of the white prosecutors and the white policemen
1:23:28 > 1:23:31or are you on the side of the black defendant and
1:23:31 > 1:23:34his very prominent and capable black lawyer.
1:23:34 > 1:23:36That's what it's going to do - either you're
1:23:36 > 1:23:39with the man or you're with the brothers.
1:23:41 > 1:23:44I must say, and this is one of those bracing moments - this is why
1:23:44 > 1:23:47you need diversity in newsrooms, by the way -
1:23:47 > 1:23:50that I came out of there thinking Darden made a pretty good point,
1:23:50 > 1:23:52that it's such a shocking word
1:23:52 > 1:23:55that I found myself flinching at the use of it.
1:23:55 > 1:23:58My colleague Andrea Ford, an African American woman,
1:23:58 > 1:24:00was outraged.
1:24:00 > 1:24:04She felt it really was insulting to blacks, to African Americans,
1:24:04 > 1:24:08to think that they couldn't hear the word and give it the proper weight.
1:24:08 > 1:24:11And I remember thinking, after talking to Andrea,
1:24:11 > 1:24:14"Wow, that didn't really occur to me."
1:24:14 > 1:24:16It is a reminder that who we are
1:24:16 > 1:24:19and how we're brought up does affect the way we hear things.
1:24:19 > 1:24:22Thank you very much, Judge Ito. I have a funeral to attend today, but
1:24:22 > 1:24:26I would be remiss were I not at this time
1:24:26 > 1:24:29to take this opportunity to respond to my good friend Mr Chris Darden.
1:24:29 > 1:24:33When Johnnie gets angry, which is very rare,
1:24:33 > 1:24:37you know, he's remarkably articulate and good.
1:24:37 > 1:24:39Johnnie got angry that day.
1:24:39 > 1:24:43His remarks this morning are perhaps the most incredible remarks
1:24:43 > 1:24:48I've heard in a court of law in the 32 years I've been practising law.
1:24:48 > 1:24:53His remarks are demeaning to African Americans as a group.
1:24:54 > 1:24:58And so I want, before I go to this funeral,
1:24:58 > 1:25:01to apologise to African Americans across this country.
1:25:01 > 1:25:04African Americans live with offensive words,
1:25:04 > 1:25:08offensive looks, offensive treatment every day of their lives.
1:25:09 > 1:25:13To say they can't be fair is absolutely outrageous.
1:25:13 > 1:25:16I am ashamed
1:25:16 > 1:25:20that Mr Darden would allow himself to become an apologist for this man.
1:25:21 > 1:25:26You can't justify that in a civilised society.
1:25:26 > 1:25:30Nobody wants to introduce race into this case, Your Honour.
1:25:30 > 1:25:33Johnnie was dying to get the word "nigger" in front of the jury.
1:25:33 > 1:25:36He also did it in such a way
1:25:36 > 1:25:38that, frankly, he made Darden look ridiculous.
1:25:38 > 1:25:40To come here and testify as an expert to you
1:25:40 > 1:25:42of what black people think in America,
1:25:42 > 1:25:45all across America today, believe me,
1:25:45 > 1:25:47black people are offended at this very moment.
1:25:47 > 1:25:50I think that Johnnie was rough on him.
1:25:50 > 1:25:52I think it hurt his feelings.
1:25:52 > 1:25:56A lot of people thought that Chris would end up at the Cochran firm.
1:25:56 > 1:25:58And, obviously, that didn't happen.
1:26:00 > 1:26:02People had contempt for him because
1:26:02 > 1:26:07they felt like he was a tool that was being used.
1:26:07 > 1:26:10It's a time not to do things that it seems to me will last
1:26:10 > 1:26:16a person's entire career, such as insulting a whole race of people
1:26:16 > 1:26:18who have meant so much to this country.
1:26:18 > 1:26:22Let's be clear about this, the subtext
1:26:22 > 1:26:28of everything Johnnie Cochran said about Chris Darden was Uncle Tom.
1:26:29 > 1:26:32And it was egregiously unfair.
1:26:34 > 1:26:36Johnnie Cochran, among other things,
1:26:36 > 1:26:39tried OJ as an African American defendant
1:26:39 > 1:26:42when OJ Simpson didn't really have
1:26:42 > 1:26:46much of a reputation as an African American person, really.
1:26:47 > 1:26:51I used to walk on the wild side. Now I just take a brisk walk.
1:26:53 > 1:26:55This was not a person that you thought of as
1:26:55 > 1:27:00a kind of iconic black figure in Los Angeles.
1:27:00 > 1:27:02I mean, he lived two blocks from Mayor Riordan.
1:27:10 > 1:27:14We wanted the jury to see Bundy, but the defence said,
1:27:14 > 1:27:19"Well, if we're going to do that, we have to go to Rockingham."
1:27:19 > 1:27:21They do not need to go to Rockingham,
1:27:21 > 1:27:24but if they do, show them where they found the glove.
1:27:24 > 1:27:26That's all that's arguably relevant.
1:27:26 > 1:27:29POLICE RADIO CHATTER
1:27:29 > 1:27:34We come to find that Ito was going to let them go into Rockingham.
1:27:34 > 1:27:37He's going to march the jury through the inside of the house,
1:27:37 > 1:27:38which is relevant to what?
1:27:38 > 1:27:42No part of the crime happened inside the house. What are we doing there?
1:27:47 > 1:27:51What we did that day is create an illusion.
1:27:52 > 1:27:57When you would walk up the grand staircase,
1:27:57 > 1:28:00there was a large wall with pictures of the family,
1:28:00 > 1:28:07pictures of friends, pictures of OJ's career.
1:28:07 > 1:28:12Problem was the overwhelming majority of
1:28:12 > 1:28:17pictures were of Caucasian friends and colleagues of his.
1:28:21 > 1:28:24We had an African American jury,
1:28:24 > 1:28:30and we wanted to make sure that the home setting
1:28:30 > 1:28:34would reflect the themes that we wanted to reflect.
1:28:35 > 1:28:40We took all his white friends down, put all his black people up,
1:28:40 > 1:28:44pictures he probably had never seen before,
1:28:44 > 1:28:48because that's what we were told the jury would identify with.
1:28:49 > 1:28:52We made him blacker.
1:28:52 > 1:28:56There was a Norman Rockwell lithograph
1:28:56 > 1:28:59that we took from Johnnie's office...
1:29:01 > 1:29:06..and we put that picture at the very top of the stairs.
1:29:08 > 1:29:13We did not remove all of his pictures with white people.
1:29:13 > 1:29:15The whole house would have been gone,
1:29:15 > 1:29:19it would have been dark. We didn't do that!
1:29:19 > 1:29:23You have got to be kidding me. It's night and day.
1:29:23 > 1:29:25This was an African American man's house
1:29:25 > 1:29:29who had no associations with any white guys whatsoever.
1:29:29 > 1:29:34Marcia saw the wall...
1:29:34 > 1:29:38and she said, "Carl, you know damn well he has never
1:29:38 > 1:29:42"had this many black people on his wall his entire life."
1:29:42 > 1:29:45I said, "Marcia, what are talking about?
1:29:45 > 1:29:49"How dare you accuse us of such things."
1:29:50 > 1:29:52I was miserable. I was angry.
1:29:52 > 1:29:55That is very dirty pool.
1:29:55 > 1:29:57If we had had a Latin jury,
1:29:57 > 1:29:59we would have had a picture of him in a sombrero,
1:29:59 > 1:30:03there would have been a mariachi band out front,
1:30:03 > 1:30:07we would have had a pinata at the upper staircase.
1:30:07 > 1:30:10I objected, we went outside, we convened a hearing and I said,
1:30:10 > 1:30:13"This has no relevance whatsoever. They've now changed the scene.
1:30:13 > 1:30:18"It was never relevant to begin with and now it's completely irrelevant."
1:30:18 > 1:30:22The defence is always going to push the envelope. That's what they do.
1:30:22 > 1:30:25It's up to the judge to stop them.
1:30:25 > 1:30:27Ito let them get away with it.
1:30:31 > 1:30:34All of a sudden he became black.
1:30:35 > 1:30:38They threw off the cape and now he's one of them.
1:30:41 > 1:30:44I was surprised to see the depth of feeling that so many people in
1:30:44 > 1:30:50the black community, certainly those around the courthouse, had for him.
1:30:50 > 1:30:54I feel that he is not guilty and I also feel that he is being unfairly
1:30:54 > 1:30:57treated, as so have a lot of African American persons
1:30:57 > 1:31:00who have been through the judicial process.
1:31:01 > 1:31:04I think that you find among black people
1:31:04 > 1:31:06an incredible amount of forgiveness
1:31:06 > 1:31:12for anybody living through the pain of being black in America.
1:31:12 > 1:31:16They were not involved with OJ in terms of critical thinking.
1:31:16 > 1:31:20- Why does he mean so much to you? - You know, I can't answer that.
1:31:20 > 1:31:23This is just something that's really struck a chord with me
1:31:23 > 1:31:24and I'm just compelled to be here.
1:31:24 > 1:31:29He was a black man who was on trial that they
1:31:29 > 1:31:37perceived that white people were trying to unfairly harm.
1:31:37 > 1:31:40They're trying to railroad him. They need to find the murderer.
1:31:40 > 1:31:42Go out and look for the murderer.
1:31:42 > 1:31:46He's accused, but we all know he didn't do it.
1:31:46 > 1:31:50He was wealthy, he was powerful, he was this, he was that.
1:31:50 > 1:31:53There is a B-U-T. But...
1:31:55 > 1:31:57..he was black.
1:31:57 > 1:31:59- So he didn't do it? - No, he didn't do it.
1:31:59 > 1:32:01- How do you know? - I know he didn't do it.
1:32:01 > 1:32:03- How do you know? - I just know.
1:32:03 > 1:32:08You may be at the top house in Beverly Hills...
1:32:09 > 1:32:14..and I may be in the basement of a place in Watts...
1:32:14 > 1:32:19but we are connected.