Part 4

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0:00:07 > 0:00:10and some strong language

0:00:15 > 0:00:18DOG BARKS

0:00:18 > 0:00:23We got this call, and I didn't know whose house it was.

0:00:24 > 0:00:27I had never been on a call there, but there

0:00:27 > 0:00:31had been ten, 11, 12 officers that had been

0:00:31 > 0:00:33on various calls over the years.

0:00:37 > 0:00:43Simpson is standing on the left side of the driveway, by the shrubs,

0:00:43 > 0:00:45holding a baseball bat.

0:00:46 > 0:00:49Nicole is sitting on the front part

0:00:49 > 0:00:55of a 450SL Mercedes, windshield smashed in,

0:00:55 > 0:01:00and she's bawling, heaving, I mean, almost uncontrollably.

0:01:02 > 0:01:05He's got this look on his face

0:01:05 > 0:01:07like he's going to do battle.

0:01:07 > 0:01:10And I say, "Put the bat down."

0:01:12 > 0:01:17And he's got this look, this rage look.

0:01:17 > 0:01:21I said, "Put the bat down."

0:01:22 > 0:01:24He didn't do it the second time.

0:01:24 > 0:01:27I took out my baton, and I said, "Put it down now."

0:01:29 > 0:01:31And then all of a sudden there was this calm

0:01:31 > 0:01:35that came over his face, he dropped it and goes, "Oh, sorry, Officer."

0:01:37 > 0:01:39And I went over, and she was still crying.

0:01:40 > 0:01:44And I said, "Do you want to make a report?"

0:01:45 > 0:01:46And she goes, "No."

0:01:48 > 0:01:51I remember saying this because it was...

0:01:53 > 0:01:55..I think expressing

0:01:55 > 0:01:58my...displeasure

0:01:58 > 0:02:03that she was allowing herself to be treated like this.

0:02:03 > 0:02:04I said, "It's your life."

0:02:29 > 0:02:31All right, let the record reflect that

0:02:31 > 0:02:34we have been rejoined by all members of our jury panel.

0:02:34 > 0:02:36Mr Darden, you may continue.

0:02:36 > 0:02:38Did that search warrant authorise you

0:02:38 > 0:02:41to drill a hole in a safe deposit box at Union Bank?

0:02:41 > 0:02:42Yes.

0:02:42 > 0:02:45- Whose safe deposit box was it? - Nicole Brown Simpson.

0:02:51 > 0:02:54Recognise that item?

0:02:54 > 0:02:56Yes, it was in a sealed envelope

0:02:56 > 0:02:58that was contained inside the safe deposit box.

0:03:07 > 0:03:11The strategy had been to open the case

0:03:11 > 0:03:16with a couple weeks of domestic violence evidence.

0:03:16 > 0:03:19Did you remove that Polaroid from Nicole Brown's safe deposit box?

0:03:19 > 0:03:21Yes, I did.

0:03:21 > 0:03:24- Do you know who took that photograph?- I did.

0:03:24 > 0:03:26The swelling over her right eye -

0:03:26 > 0:03:28that isn't how she usually looked, is it?

0:03:28 > 0:03:30No, it's not.

0:03:31 > 0:03:34We're going to present all that evidence

0:03:34 > 0:03:37in an effort to knock Simpson

0:03:37 > 0:03:40off the iconic pedestal on which he stood.

0:03:40 > 0:03:43And you mentioned that pictures began flying off the walls.

0:03:43 > 0:03:45How did they come flying off the wall?

0:03:45 > 0:03:48OJ was walking up the hall, or up the staircase,

0:03:48 > 0:03:49and he started throwing them.

0:03:49 > 0:03:52He took them off the wall and started throwing them down.

0:03:52 > 0:03:55- Did the defendant say anything? - He wanted her out of his house,

0:03:55 > 0:04:01and he threw her up against the wall, and the eyes got real angry.

0:04:01 > 0:04:04It wasn't as if it was OJ any more.

0:04:05 > 0:04:07'I was so disappointed.'

0:04:08 > 0:04:13I just had no comprehension about it, no knowledge.

0:04:13 > 0:04:15What did the defendant say

0:04:15 > 0:04:19about your sister's weight while she was pregnant?

0:04:19 > 0:04:21He used to call her a fat pig.

0:04:28 > 0:04:33It's like finding out your wife's a bad person, you know?

0:04:33 > 0:04:36'911 emergency.'

0:04:36 > 0:04:37I heard a female screaming.

0:04:37 > 0:04:39'Hello?'

0:04:40 > 0:04:42I definitely felt for Nicole.

0:04:42 > 0:04:46And then I heard someone being hit.

0:04:47 > 0:04:50SCREAMS ON TAPE

0:04:50 > 0:04:54'You know, I looked at him, "You're a pretty bad person."'

0:04:54 > 0:04:57He's capable of outbursts.

0:04:57 > 0:05:00SHOUTING ON TAPE

0:05:00 > 0:05:05If you have the personality that you can physically abuse women...

0:05:05 > 0:05:07'I don't want to stay on the line.

0:05:07 > 0:05:09'He's going to beat the shit out of me.'

0:05:09 > 0:05:11'..then, to me, you're capable of murdering her.'

0:05:11 > 0:05:14She felt that she was in imminent danger,

0:05:14 > 0:05:17and so we made it life... I made it life-threatening.

0:05:42 > 0:05:46Miss Brown, directing your attention to June 12 1994,

0:05:46 > 0:05:48had you and your parents and your sister

0:05:48 > 0:05:50planned to go somewhere after the recital was over?

0:05:50 > 0:05:53Yes, we did. We were going out to dinner.

0:05:53 > 0:05:55OK. And where were you planning to go?

0:05:57 > 0:06:00We were going to Mezzaluna restaurant.

0:06:02 > 0:06:06The domestic violence testimony was the "why" of it.

0:06:06 > 0:06:10- Did you invite the defendant to go to the Mezzaluna?- No, I did not.

0:06:10 > 0:06:13Did you hear anyone else invite the defendant to go to the Mezzaluna?

0:06:13 > 0:06:15No, I did not.

0:06:16 > 0:06:20Abusers blame their victims for the cycle of violence,

0:06:20 > 0:06:23and on that particular night I think it all came to a head for him.

0:06:23 > 0:06:26And he went to the recital, and the Mezzaluna

0:06:26 > 0:06:28date was made, he was not included,

0:06:28 > 0:06:31and then he tries to reach Paula later that night,

0:06:31 > 0:06:34at 10.03, calling her twice, when he was in the Bronco.

0:06:34 > 0:06:36She was not there.

0:06:36 > 0:06:38And I think that was the last straw for him.

0:06:38 > 0:06:42He was abandoned by Nicole, he was abandoned by Paula...

0:06:43 > 0:06:45..and that's why we're here.

0:06:46 > 0:06:51There's a connection with abuse, and could it lead to death? Sure.

0:06:53 > 0:06:55But I don't think they proved that.

0:06:55 > 0:06:57How many times did you hear her

0:06:57 > 0:07:01shout, "He's going to kill me, he's going to kill me"?

0:07:01 > 0:07:04Four or five times.

0:07:04 > 0:07:07Let me tell you,

0:07:07 > 0:07:09I lose respect for any woman that take

0:07:09 > 0:07:12an ass-whupping when she don't have to.

0:07:12 > 0:07:16Don't stay in the water...

0:07:16 > 0:07:19if it's over your head. You'll drown.

0:07:19 > 0:07:22They did not get it.

0:07:22 > 0:07:24They just didn't care.

0:07:24 > 0:07:28They got it. I mean, you know, it's not that complicated.

0:07:28 > 0:07:31They didn't care. So...

0:07:31 > 0:07:33Our hearts sank.

0:07:33 > 0:07:36We thought, "We are really going to have

0:07:36 > 0:07:40"a tough time if our jurors don't understand how this is relevant."

0:07:40 > 0:07:46- SOBBING:- The last thing I told her is that I loved her.

0:07:51 > 0:07:56Knowing what I believed I knew, I still refused to testify.

0:07:56 > 0:07:59But I get a call from Chris Darden. He said,

0:07:59 > 0:08:01"Look, I know you don't want

0:08:01 > 0:08:04"to testify, but I need you to come down here.

0:08:04 > 0:08:07"I've got to ask you a couple of questions. Would you, please?"

0:08:07 > 0:08:09I went, "OK."

0:08:12 > 0:08:16Chris is sitting there, and he goes,

0:08:16 > 0:08:19"Hey, man, how you doing? What's going on?"

0:08:19 > 0:08:2230, 45 seconds goes by, someone went,

0:08:22 > 0:08:27"Chris, you've got a phone call." He goes, "Oh, Ron, be right back."

0:08:27 > 0:08:32And as I'm sitting there... I look in front of me, you know,

0:08:32 > 0:08:34where Chris was sitting,

0:08:34 > 0:08:40I see this book, and it has a big "Ron and Nicole" on it.

0:08:40 > 0:08:43I open it up...

0:08:43 > 0:08:46and I see these beautiful pictures of Nicole, with her modelling.

0:08:46 > 0:08:50I keep opening it. Nice pictures of Ron.

0:08:52 > 0:08:56And all of a sudden, I get to the actual homicide pictures.

0:09:04 > 0:09:05Now, I've seen a million homicide pictures.

0:09:05 > 0:09:08I've been in I don't know how many homicides

0:09:08 > 0:09:11in my 15 years as an LAPD cop.

0:09:12 > 0:09:15But all of a sudden you look at some pictures

0:09:15 > 0:09:18of somebody you actually know.

0:09:21 > 0:09:25Looked at those pictures. It changed me.

0:09:27 > 0:09:29It changed me.

0:09:33 > 0:09:35Everybody always just beating cops up.

0:09:35 > 0:09:40Man, there's a lot of stuff that we see and we suppress.

0:09:40 > 0:09:43I'll never forget the first homicide that I saw.

0:09:54 > 0:09:56Oh, it was, um...

0:09:59 > 0:10:01Excuse me.

0:10:06 > 0:10:08It was a 19-year-old girl.

0:10:09 > 0:10:11POLICE RADIO CHATTER

0:10:11 > 0:10:13'We got a call.

0:10:14 > 0:10:18'When I went up there, she was totally nude.

0:10:18 > 0:10:23'She had been beaten to a pulp and just discarded in the parking lot.

0:10:25 > 0:10:28'I was like, "What kind of guy would do this?"'

0:10:30 > 0:10:34She was 19 years old. I couldn't even...I couldn't make out her face,

0:10:34 > 0:10:37because it was beaten in so bad. Blonde hair.

0:10:38 > 0:10:43And we got a call that the guy turned himself in.

0:10:43 > 0:10:46We went and picked him up.

0:10:46 > 0:10:49And I sat in the back seat with this guy.

0:10:50 > 0:10:52I wanted to kill him.

0:10:52 > 0:10:55I mean, all I thought about was this is somebody's

0:10:55 > 0:10:57daughter, sister, whatever, that's never coming home.

0:10:57 > 0:11:01Well, when I saw Nicole's pictures,

0:11:01 > 0:11:05that was the same thing. I felt like that with OJ.

0:11:06 > 0:11:09Only an animal would do something like this

0:11:09 > 0:11:11to the mother of your kids.

0:11:15 > 0:11:17Chris came back,

0:11:17 > 0:11:22and when he sat down, I said, "I'm testifying."

0:11:22 > 0:11:25He said, "What?" I said, "I'm testifying."

0:11:28 > 0:11:31The People call Ron Shipp to the stand. Ron?

0:11:31 > 0:11:33- To the stand, Mr Shipp. - Raise your right hand, please.

0:11:33 > 0:11:35Do you solemnly swear that the testimony

0:11:35 > 0:11:37you're about give will be the truth, the whole truth

0:11:37 > 0:11:39and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

0:11:39 > 0:11:41- Yes, I do. - Please be seated.

0:11:41 > 0:11:43'Traitor.

0:11:43 > 0:11:44'Judas.'

0:11:44 > 0:11:45Ronald Shipp.

0:11:45 > 0:11:47R-O-N-A-L-D...

0:11:47 > 0:11:49Becky called him Judas.

0:11:49 > 0:11:52And what did the defendant say?

0:11:52 > 0:11:54He kind of jokingly just said, "You know,

0:11:54 > 0:11:58"you know, to be honest, Shipp" - that's what he called me, Shipp -

0:11:58 > 0:12:03he said, "I've had some dreams of killing her."

0:12:03 > 0:12:07This is my one moment to help put somebody

0:12:07 > 0:12:11who's responsible for Nicole and Ron's murder,

0:12:11 > 0:12:13put them in prison.

0:12:13 > 0:12:16Do you and the defendant remain friends today?

0:12:17 > 0:12:19Well, I still love the guy, but...

0:12:19 > 0:12:22I don't know, I mean, this is a weird situation.

0:12:22 > 0:12:23I'm sitting here...

0:12:25 > 0:12:28- You say you still love him. - Sure.

0:12:32 > 0:12:35- INTERVIEWER:- Did he tell the truth? - Yeah.

0:12:36 > 0:12:38'But anybody's that's credible, what do you have to do?'

0:12:38 > 0:12:40Nothing further.

0:12:40 > 0:12:43'You have to destroy them.'

0:12:44 > 0:12:46You drink a lot, don't you?

0:12:46 > 0:12:48I used to.

0:12:48 > 0:12:50You've had a drinking problem, haven't you?

0:12:50 > 0:12:52In the past I have.

0:12:52 > 0:12:55They painted him out to be

0:12:55 > 0:12:58an alcoholic, a womaniser.

0:12:58 > 0:13:01Isn't it true, sir, that you were with a friend

0:13:01 > 0:13:03- other than your wife? - Yes, I was.

0:13:03 > 0:13:05She was blonde, was she not?

0:13:05 > 0:13:08- ..who was a friend of my wife's, that's correct.- I see.

0:13:08 > 0:13:12And when you were at his home,

0:13:12 > 0:13:15in the dark, with the blonde

0:13:15 > 0:13:17who wasn't your wife, who's here in court,

0:13:17 > 0:13:21you did ask that he bring you a bottle of wine, didn't you?

0:13:21 > 0:13:22That's correct.

0:13:22 > 0:13:24They destroyed him.

0:13:24 > 0:13:27You're not really this man's friend, are you, sir?

0:13:27 > 0:13:30Well, I guess you can say I was like everybody else,

0:13:30 > 0:13:31one of his servants.

0:13:31 > 0:13:34I did police stuff for him all the time. I ran licence plates.

0:13:34 > 0:13:38You weren't the kind of friend that he would share

0:13:38 > 0:13:42some private secret with, were you, sir?

0:13:42 > 0:13:45Nothing except for the 1989...beating,

0:13:45 > 0:13:48where he needed me.

0:13:48 > 0:13:50When they started lying and they came

0:13:50 > 0:13:52up with all these different things...

0:13:52 > 0:13:58Isn't it true, sir, that you have told Mr Simpson's friend that

0:13:58 > 0:14:01if Mr Simpson weren't around, you might have a shot

0:14:01 > 0:14:05at Nicole Brown Simpson yourself?

0:14:05 > 0:14:07No, I did not.

0:14:07 > 0:14:10'He looked at me with that OJ Simpson smile.'

0:14:10 > 0:14:14And, oh, I felt that hate come back. I felt it come back.

0:14:14 > 0:14:17Mr Douglas, I hope you get your facts straight.

0:14:17 > 0:14:19- Hold on, hold on.- You're attacking me.- Hold on, Mr Shipp.

0:14:19 > 0:14:22This is sad, OJ, this is really sad.

0:14:22 > 0:14:25Your Honour, I move to strike that.

0:14:25 > 0:14:29'I was like, "This guy deserves to rot in hell."'

0:14:29 > 0:14:33I do remember that I was told, you know,

0:14:33 > 0:14:37after I did make that decision to testify, "You're not alone."

0:14:37 > 0:14:39And I saw a list. They said, "These are the ones

0:14:39 > 0:14:41"that are going to be testifying."

0:14:42 > 0:14:46But after they got through with me,

0:14:46 > 0:14:48everybody got amnesia.

0:14:48 > 0:14:52I will not have the blood of Nicole on Ron Shipp.

0:14:53 > 0:14:55I can sleep at night,

0:14:55 > 0:14:57unlike a lot of others.

0:14:57 > 0:14:58Mr Shipp...

0:14:59 > 0:15:02I think that was the first person that

0:15:02 > 0:15:08it became evident that everybody's expendable...

0:15:08 > 0:15:11that if the Titanic sank, OJ was going to take

0:15:11 > 0:15:13a life vest for himself but he's going to probably

0:15:13 > 0:15:17take yours, too, just in case.

0:15:17 > 0:15:20He was a fighter, he was a hustler, he was a competitor.

0:15:20 > 0:15:26To survive, to get to where he was, he had to be good, and he was.

0:15:26 > 0:15:29'I was struck by how engaged he was.'

0:15:29 > 0:15:32..that when we were in court that day...

0:15:33 > 0:15:36..you'll recall... Usually I'm sitting next to him when we

0:15:36 > 0:15:38talk about that, you know what I mean?

0:15:38 > 0:15:41In a lot of cases, the defendant is really sort of incidental.

0:15:41 > 0:15:45You really have the sense that it's legal team versus legal team,

0:15:45 > 0:15:47whereas I did have the sense that he was

0:15:47 > 0:15:50a significant player within his own team.

0:15:52 > 0:15:57OJ was brilliant in terms of how things played.

0:15:57 > 0:16:00You say that the conversation with Mr Simpson was eating you up.

0:16:00 > 0:16:03- Is that your statement? - That's correct.

0:16:03 > 0:16:08And did you hope to exorcise this pain from your body?

0:16:08 > 0:16:12'He would give me more than a few tongue lashings

0:16:12 > 0:16:14'to make sure that I would communicate

0:16:14 > 0:16:16'in a way that would convey

0:16:16 > 0:16:19'the image that he thought would be best.'

0:16:19 > 0:16:23I remember I had some spittle on my mouth.

0:16:23 > 0:16:26And he said, "Wipe your mouth! Wipe the spit off your mouth!"

0:16:26 > 0:16:29He took me to the woodshed.

0:16:30 > 0:16:34But I was 39 years old,

0:16:34 > 0:16:37working on behalf of OJ Simpson and on television.

0:16:38 > 0:16:41I'm living the life of all my colleagues would dream.

0:16:41 > 0:16:46So, if I had to eat a little cheese

0:16:46 > 0:16:51while being on TV, that was a small price for me to pay.

0:16:51 > 0:16:54What was remarkable about him was his ability to turn on the charisma.

0:16:54 > 0:16:58Like that. In a moment, he could smile.

0:16:58 > 0:17:01He knew when the camera was on him in that courtroom,

0:17:01 > 0:17:04and he would have a really benign expression.

0:17:04 > 0:17:09And when the camera moved away from him, the face fell.

0:17:09 > 0:17:14Everything that happened in that courtroom was by design -

0:17:14 > 0:17:19who sat where, what colours they wore, what ties they wore.

0:17:19 > 0:17:21Some days, it would be very irritating

0:17:21 > 0:17:23to see the games the defence was playing

0:17:23 > 0:17:28when they would put on those ties, that Kente cloth.

0:17:28 > 0:17:30Stop it.

0:17:30 > 0:17:33He's communicating to the jury.

0:17:33 > 0:17:36I know Johnnie well enough. I know how he works.

0:17:36 > 0:17:40Now the prosecution, Miss Clark. They're insulting you.

0:17:40 > 0:17:43They are insulting the intelligence and the credibility of this jury

0:17:43 > 0:17:45when they implied that we are in some way

0:17:45 > 0:17:48trying to manipulate a predominantly black jury

0:17:48 > 0:17:50by my wearing this African tribal tie.

0:17:50 > 0:17:52LAUGHTER

0:17:52 > 0:17:55That's an insult to this jury, and I am personally offended,

0:17:55 > 0:17:57not only on my behalf, but also on the behalf

0:17:57 > 0:17:59of my esteemed colleagues.

0:17:59 > 0:18:01Mr Shapiro...

0:18:01 > 0:18:03Mr Bailey...

0:18:04 > 0:18:06..and Mr Scheck.

0:18:08 > 0:18:11I had spent a lot of time thinking about cameras in the courtroom.

0:18:11 > 0:18:13The camera is going to be out to about here.

0:18:13 > 0:18:15It was supposed to be something that would

0:18:15 > 0:18:19really elevate the country's understanding

0:18:19 > 0:18:20of the American legal system.

0:18:20 > 0:18:23Having the cameras in the courtroom

0:18:23 > 0:18:25allows everyone to see how a trial really proceeds,

0:18:25 > 0:18:27so then they see the actual evidence as it's being

0:18:27 > 0:18:30brought out, and that's a good thing.

0:18:30 > 0:18:33But that's not what happened.

0:18:34 > 0:18:39There was no internet. There was no MSNBC. There was no Fox.

0:18:39 > 0:18:41There was one cable news network,

0:18:41 > 0:18:45and CNN covered the case gavel to gavel.

0:18:45 > 0:18:48This case was everywhere.

0:18:48 > 0:18:52The Simpson trial, by any standard, is a very, very big news story.

0:18:52 > 0:18:55- In this country, the OJ Simpson... - At the OJ Simpson trial today....

0:18:55 > 0:18:57There are some big decisions to report in the OJ...

0:18:57 > 0:19:00More on the OJ Simpson story tonight on Nightline

0:19:00 > 0:19:02and tomorrow night on 20/20.

0:19:02 > 0:19:05I think before OJ, what was the biggest story?

0:19:05 > 0:19:07The Lindbergh kidnapping.

0:19:08 > 0:19:14I can't think of one bigger than OJ where celebrity drove the story.

0:19:14 > 0:19:15On the 3 Network Newscast,

0:19:15 > 0:19:18the Simpson story has been given more time

0:19:18 > 0:19:22in two months than any other topic this year.

0:19:22 > 0:19:24There is a ravenous public appetite for this,

0:19:24 > 0:19:28and the fact of the matter is it is one whale of a good story.

0:19:28 > 0:19:32OJ's celebrity status clearly made it a big-time story.

0:19:32 > 0:19:36But I think the fact that you had the interracial

0:19:36 > 0:19:38angle there kind of juiced it and I think it had

0:19:38 > 0:19:42a little extra pizzazz.

0:19:42 > 0:19:47Here is a black man, in America, who is accused of killing a white woman.

0:19:47 > 0:19:50Black hero killing white woman.

0:19:50 > 0:19:53Black men killing white women, now that happens.

0:19:53 > 0:19:55Nobody cares.

0:19:55 > 0:20:00But black American hero killing white woman

0:20:00 > 0:20:02was a giant thing.

0:20:05 > 0:20:09It was branded as the trial of the century,

0:20:09 > 0:20:12and my mother said, "If OJ had killed Marguerite,

0:20:12 > 0:20:14"this would not be the trial of the century

0:20:14 > 0:20:16"and his black ass would be in jail."

0:20:20 > 0:20:25The Simpson case never felt like a real murder case.

0:20:25 > 0:20:27It felt like a media circus.

0:20:31 > 0:20:33I would walk out the door, and there would be

0:20:33 > 0:20:35the press standing right there with microphones

0:20:35 > 0:20:37and cameras, and I'm wearing a white dress,

0:20:37 > 0:20:40and the press is holding microphones in my face

0:20:40 > 0:20:43and saying, "What's the significance of the white dress?"

0:20:43 > 0:20:45You know, it was clean.

0:20:48 > 0:20:51'There was a certain amount of denial I was living in

0:20:51 > 0:20:58'in terms of how much attention I would get at any given point.'

0:20:58 > 0:21:02As you can see, Clark is smack dab in the middle of a national debate,

0:21:02 > 0:21:05and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the OJ Simpson trial.

0:21:05 > 0:21:09Here's more on the story from Judy Muller.

0:21:09 > 0:21:10I really hated it.

0:21:10 > 0:21:13The coverage of it became, you know, real infotainment.

0:21:13 > 0:21:17OJ girlfriend in Playboy. OJ girlfriend before Grand Jury.

0:21:17 > 0:21:20OJ Defence Tip Hotline unplugged.

0:21:20 > 0:21:23OJ houseboy's girlfriend holds news conference.

0:21:23 > 0:21:28The OJ stories are everywhere. So is the ET coverage.

0:21:28 > 0:21:30Our job is to tell people what happened today

0:21:30 > 0:21:32and what was important.

0:21:32 > 0:21:36We have lost sight of giving people the news

0:21:36 > 0:21:38in terms of its significance.

0:21:38 > 0:21:40We're giving it to them in terms of what we think simply

0:21:40 > 0:21:46is the most titillating and the most ratings-grabbing.

0:21:46 > 0:21:48You think he'd be there for you the way you were there for him?

0:21:48 > 0:21:52The celibacy thing I don't know about.

0:21:52 > 0:21:55There was so much hand-wringing at TV networks

0:21:55 > 0:21:56and at the New York Times.

0:21:56 > 0:21:58One editor at the Times was quoted as saying,

0:21:58 > 0:22:01"Now I find myself reading the Enquirer

0:22:01 > 0:22:04"every week and chasing leads out of it."

0:22:04 > 0:22:07I think we have to ask at what point

0:22:07 > 0:22:09do what should be journalistic decisions

0:22:09 > 0:22:12become marketing decisions.

0:22:12 > 0:22:14I think a lot of the elitism went out of the mainstream

0:22:14 > 0:22:16media at that point.

0:22:16 > 0:22:19And they're like, "Well, if this is what people want,

0:22:19 > 0:22:21"this is what we're going to give them."

0:22:21 > 0:22:23Tonight, the woman who calls herself

0:22:23 > 0:22:27Nicole Brown Simpson's best friend, Faye Resnick.

0:22:27 > 0:22:31If Nicole was caught talking to the gas station attendant,

0:22:31 > 0:22:35he would make it seem as if she was having an affair with him.

0:22:35 > 0:22:37The cameras in the courtroom, I think,

0:22:37 > 0:22:40gave too much notoriety to the witnesses.

0:22:40 > 0:22:43- I heard a thumping noise. - How many thumps did you hear?

0:22:43 > 0:22:45Three.

0:22:46 > 0:22:49If someone points him out and says, "There's Kato Kaelin,"

0:22:49 > 0:22:53I'll say, "Oh, yeah," and I'll gawk like everybody else.

0:22:53 > 0:22:58The same can be said for all the attendants in the courtroom.

0:22:58 > 0:23:00Judge Ito!

0:23:00 > 0:23:03I mean, I remember one day I saw Marcia and she said

0:23:03 > 0:23:07Larry King was in chambers with Judge Ito.

0:23:10 > 0:23:13Did you talk about him possibly appearing on your show?

0:23:18 > 0:23:20They made everyone celebrities.

0:23:28 > 0:23:30I understood money and attorneys,

0:23:30 > 0:23:34reputation and celebrity. And who am I?

0:23:34 > 0:23:36I'm a nobody.

0:23:38 > 0:23:40I am nobody.

0:23:47 > 0:23:50I began to get some insight into Fuhrman...

0:23:52 > 0:23:54..and I said, "There's the jugular vein.

0:23:56 > 0:23:58"All we have to do is cut that

0:23:58 > 0:24:01"and there's nothing left of consequence."

0:24:02 > 0:24:06'He was going to be their fall guy. We all knew it.'

0:24:06 > 0:24:10They were going to go after him any way they could.

0:24:10 > 0:24:14We heard from a guy that Fuhrman wanted a job in South Africa.

0:24:15 > 0:24:17He wanted to be in a force where you could

0:24:17 > 0:24:21shoot niggers and not get accused of anything.

0:24:24 > 0:24:27Another witness said Fuhrman had pulled her over,

0:24:27 > 0:24:30and when he did, a Corvette went by with a black

0:24:30 > 0:24:33guy driving and a nice-looking white girl.

0:24:33 > 0:24:37And Fuhrman spewed out a line of epithets

0:24:37 > 0:24:40about how unconstitutional it was,

0:24:40 > 0:24:43for this guy to be running around with a white woman.

0:24:45 > 0:24:48These stories were hair-raising.

0:24:50 > 0:24:52These allegations get more outrageous by the minute.

0:24:52 > 0:24:55And I'm stricken again by the preposterousness

0:24:55 > 0:24:57of the claims of the defence.

0:24:57 > 0:24:59The People respectfully submit to the court

0:24:59 > 0:25:02that what we have here is not a defence, it's a smear campaign.

0:25:02 > 0:25:05We made him a central part,

0:25:05 > 0:25:09consistent with the themes that he's the bogeyman.

0:25:11 > 0:25:15Who is Mark Fuhrman, and what was he like?

0:25:15 > 0:25:17I got a bunch of calls from black police officers

0:25:17 > 0:25:21who said, "Fuhrman is absolutely not a racist."

0:25:21 > 0:25:23His former commanding officer, who happens

0:25:23 > 0:25:28to be black, told me that he was one of those

0:25:28 > 0:25:30people who made the most remarkable

0:25:30 > 0:25:32turnaround and became such an exceptional

0:25:32 > 0:25:36detective and was really a good guy.

0:25:37 > 0:25:39Joining us now is the former chief

0:25:39 > 0:25:41of the Los Angeles Police Department, Daryl Gates.

0:25:44 > 0:25:47We knew that the police department would take

0:25:47 > 0:25:50a very defensive posture.

0:25:50 > 0:25:54I think the record supports the fact that Mark was a good police officer,

0:25:54 > 0:25:56that he was a nice young man.

0:25:56 > 0:25:58"He was not a racist, he was this and that,"

0:25:58 > 0:26:01the better he played to us.

0:26:01 > 0:26:04You cannot take the words of a defence team as the gospel

0:26:04 > 0:26:06in the city of Los Angeles.

0:26:12 > 0:26:14There was one glove found at the crime scene.

0:26:14 > 0:26:17Its match was found at his house,

0:26:17 > 0:26:21bearing the blood and hair and fibre from Ron and Nicole.

0:26:21 > 0:26:25How does it get more incriminating than that?

0:26:25 > 0:26:29And that's why the defence knew they had to knock out that glove.

0:26:29 > 0:26:31I had to go.

0:26:31 > 0:26:32One way or another.

0:26:32 > 0:26:36A truck hitting me. They would have done

0:26:36 > 0:26:39whatever it took to get rid of me.

0:26:41 > 0:26:45None of them thought that I planted that glove.

0:26:45 > 0:26:48But they wanted the question to loom.

0:26:50 > 0:26:53I am convinced that glove was placed there.

0:26:53 > 0:26:56We call that framing a guilty man.

0:26:57 > 0:27:01I mean, look, cops plant guns. Why do you think they plant guns?

0:27:01 > 0:27:03They don't plant a gun on somebody who they

0:27:03 > 0:27:05perceive as innocent, they plant guns on somebody

0:27:05 > 0:27:09who they think is a dirt bag, and they had maybe

0:27:09 > 0:27:12a questionable shooting, so they needed to place

0:27:12 > 0:27:16the other gun in order to justify their shootings.

0:27:28 > 0:27:32Mark Fuhrman picked the glove up at the scene,

0:27:32 > 0:27:34put it in a baggie, and carried it with him

0:27:34 > 0:27:39until he had a chance, with no witnesses, to plant it.

0:27:41 > 0:27:44Do you realise how ignorant he sounds?

0:27:44 > 0:27:48You have a man that's a famous attorney,

0:27:48 > 0:27:51that has made up everything without a shred

0:27:51 > 0:27:54of evidence, and then you have people

0:27:54 > 0:27:57hook, line and sinker go, "Yeah."

0:27:57 > 0:28:00I do not for one second believe

0:28:00 > 0:28:02there was any sort of conspiracy here.

0:28:02 > 0:28:0415 people were at the scene before Fuhrman got there

0:28:04 > 0:28:06and viewed the left-handed glove.

0:28:06 > 0:28:09The right glove was found behind the bungalow

0:28:09 > 0:28:12when he ran into the air conditioner and dropped it.

0:28:12 > 0:28:15Fuhrman would have been willing to sacrifice

0:28:15 > 0:28:19his career and be convicted of a felony

0:28:19 > 0:28:21when he didn't know who did it.

0:28:21 > 0:28:24And on top of it, there's absolutely no motivation

0:28:24 > 0:28:27for anyone to want to do this.

0:28:28 > 0:28:31OJ had sinned...

0:28:31 > 0:28:35having a consort, let alone a wife,

0:28:35 > 0:28:37of white race.

0:28:37 > 0:28:40It was a capital offence in Fuhrman's mind.

0:28:40 > 0:28:44So that would justify to him whatever he did.

0:28:45 > 0:28:50And he had come to OJ's house when Nicole complained to police,

0:28:50 > 0:28:54as she often did, that OJ was going to beat her up.

0:28:54 > 0:28:58When Fuhrman got there, they sent him home.

0:28:58 > 0:28:59No complaint.

0:29:01 > 0:29:07I think Mark Fuhrman dwelled on it and was inspired by it.

0:29:07 > 0:29:10The People call Detective Mark Fuhrman.

0:29:13 > 0:29:17Detective Fuhrman, can you tell us how you feel about testifying today?

0:29:17 > 0:29:19Nervous.

0:29:19 > 0:29:21Reluctant.

0:29:21 > 0:29:22Can you tell us why?

0:29:22 > 0:29:29Since June 13th, it seems that I've seen a lot of the evidence

0:29:29 > 0:29:33ignored and a lot of personal issues come to the forefront.

0:29:35 > 0:29:37'If I don't put him on, I basically can't

0:29:37 > 0:29:39'put the glove into evidence.'

0:29:39 > 0:29:41And if I don't do that, it looks like an admission

0:29:41 > 0:29:43that it was planted.

0:29:43 > 0:29:45So I had no choice.

0:29:45 > 0:29:47What did you do next?

0:29:47 > 0:29:50I asked Mr Kaelin if anything unusual happened last night.

0:29:50 > 0:29:53He said he heard a crash or a thump on his wall.

0:29:53 > 0:29:56He thought there was going to be an earthquake, and his pictures shook.

0:29:58 > 0:30:01'He looks confident, he's tall, he's nice-looking, has nice hair.'

0:30:02 > 0:30:05He came off as a nice guy to the jury.

0:30:05 > 0:30:08I walked out of the driveway, and I started walking

0:30:08 > 0:30:10in the direction going back towards Kaelin's room.

0:30:10 > 0:30:12'They had no reason to doubt him.'

0:30:12 > 0:30:14I continued walking down the path

0:30:14 > 0:30:20and saw what now I identified as a possible glove.

0:30:21 > 0:30:27If he were telling the truth, that would condemn OJ.

0:30:27 > 0:30:29Thank you, sir, I have nothing further.

0:30:30 > 0:30:33Early, early, early on,

0:30:33 > 0:30:36Fuhrman had been a witness

0:30:36 > 0:30:41that Lee staked out and he wanted to take.

0:30:41 > 0:30:45I thought it required to dismantle this guy,

0:30:45 > 0:30:47as he should be dismantled,

0:30:47 > 0:30:52the work of somebody with a lot of cross-examination experience.

0:30:52 > 0:30:55I was the only one on the defence team that fit that bill.

0:30:58 > 0:31:01He's one of my heroes. F Lee Bailey.

0:31:01 > 0:31:02Mr Bailey, what do you think

0:31:02 > 0:31:04Sam Sheppard's chances are of going free?

0:31:04 > 0:31:06Sam is free, and he's going to stay

0:31:06 > 0:31:09that way and the odds are astronomical.

0:31:09 > 0:31:11F Lee Bailey was one of

0:31:11 > 0:31:16the great criminal advocates of his time, for sure.

0:31:16 > 0:31:19He pioneered a lot of, you know, great techniques

0:31:19 > 0:31:21as a criminal defence lawyer.

0:31:21 > 0:31:23As far as I'm concerned right now, Lee Bailey

0:31:23 > 0:31:26is the doctor, he's the surgeon,

0:31:26 > 0:31:28and I do what he tells me.

0:31:30 > 0:31:33'He was obviously a man of great ability.'

0:31:36 > 0:31:39Detective Fuhrman, you went out there

0:31:39 > 0:31:42in the alley, where you've never been before.

0:31:42 > 0:31:46- Yes, I went that pathway.- You walked there by yourself, correct?

0:31:46 > 0:31:49- Yes.- You had three detectives, who were armed,

0:31:49 > 0:31:52in the house and didn't tell any of them

0:31:52 > 0:31:54where you were going, correct?

0:31:54 > 0:31:55That's correct.

0:31:57 > 0:32:00'The purpose of a cross-examination is to peel

0:32:00 > 0:32:03'back the witness's outer skin

0:32:03 > 0:32:06'and let the jury see what's underneath.'

0:32:06 > 0:32:09If it's a saint, you're going to get buried,

0:32:09 > 0:32:11but if it's a Fuhrman, you'll be making money

0:32:11 > 0:32:13every minute of the day.

0:32:13 > 0:32:19Didn't it seem strange to you that after seven and a half hours

0:32:19 > 0:32:24that glove still showed moist, sticky blood, Detective Fuhrman?

0:32:24 > 0:32:27No, I knew nothing at that time when it was deposited or left there.

0:32:27 > 0:32:29That's seven and a half hours.

0:32:29 > 0:32:31That's enough for blood to dry, isn't it?

0:32:34 > 0:32:36Under certain conditions, yes, I'm sure it would be.

0:32:36 > 0:32:40Unless it's encased in plastic

0:32:40 > 0:32:43or rubber and evaporation is stopped.

0:32:43 > 0:32:44Wouldn't you agree?

0:32:45 > 0:32:47No.

0:32:48 > 0:32:53I thought Mark Fuhrman told the truth about what happened.

0:32:53 > 0:32:59But F Lee Bailey, in his brief star turn,

0:32:59 > 0:33:01knew how to pin him down.

0:33:01 > 0:33:03Detective Fuhrman, when you said

0:33:03 > 0:33:05earlier that you were concerned about matters

0:33:05 > 0:33:07that you viewed as irrelevant,

0:33:07 > 0:33:11that was about certain language that some find offensive.

0:33:11 > 0:33:12Yes.

0:33:12 > 0:33:14OK.

0:33:15 > 0:33:18I tried to put my best demeanour forward

0:33:18 > 0:33:24and as professional as I could, but it was pure survival mode.

0:33:24 > 0:33:27Do you use the word "nigger" in describing people?

0:33:27 > 0:33:29No, sir.

0:33:29 > 0:33:33Have you used that word in the past ten years?

0:33:33 > 0:33:35Not that I recall, no.

0:33:35 > 0:33:39You mean if you called someone a nigger, you have forgotten it?

0:33:42 > 0:33:46I'm not sure I can answer that the way you phrased it, sir.

0:33:46 > 0:33:51I had a dozen witnesses that would bury him as a racist,

0:33:51 > 0:33:53so I wanted him to lie.

0:33:53 > 0:33:56You have difficulty understanding the question.

0:33:56 > 0:33:58- I'll rephrase it. - Yes.

0:33:58 > 0:34:01I want you to assume that perhaps at some time,

0:34:01 > 0:34:05since 1985 or '6, you addressed a member

0:34:05 > 0:34:09of the African American race as a nigger.

0:34:09 > 0:34:13Is it possible that you have forgotten that act on your part?

0:34:13 > 0:34:14No, it's not possible.

0:34:14 > 0:34:18No, I didn't. Yes, I did. Which one's right?

0:34:18 > 0:34:20One you're lying, one you're a racist.

0:34:20 > 0:34:24I whacked him with it really hard. In the face.

0:34:24 > 0:34:27And you say on your oath that you have not addressed

0:34:27 > 0:34:30any black person as a nigger or spoken about black

0:34:30 > 0:34:34people as niggers in the past ten years, Detective Fuhrman?

0:34:34 > 0:34:35That's what I'm saying, sir.

0:34:35 > 0:34:40So anyone who comes to this court and quotes you as using that word

0:34:40 > 0:34:42in dealing with African Americans

0:34:42 > 0:34:44would be a liar, would they not, Detective Fuhrman?

0:34:44 > 0:34:47- Yes, they would.- All of them. Correct?- All of them.

0:34:47 > 0:34:50I didn't use that word to people

0:34:50 > 0:34:53face-to-face - suspect, police.

0:34:55 > 0:34:58Had I ever used the word?

0:34:58 > 0:34:59Well, obviously, yes.

0:34:59 > 0:35:02That's all I have, Your Honour.

0:35:02 > 0:35:06- All right, thank you very much. You're excused, sir.- Thank you.

0:35:06 > 0:35:10Once Judge Ito allowed race into this trial,

0:35:10 > 0:35:15there was no escaping anything for me.

0:35:18 > 0:35:22'I had a visceral reaction to Fuhrman's testimony.'

0:35:22 > 0:35:27It just didn't seem credible.

0:35:27 > 0:35:30Another cop, white cop.

0:35:30 > 0:35:31Prejudice, bias.

0:35:31 > 0:35:34Watch out.

0:35:36 > 0:35:38The way you work around something like that

0:35:38 > 0:35:43is to deal with the physical, objective evidence that we had.

0:35:48 > 0:35:51This was a case about blood.

0:35:51 > 0:35:53That was the heart of the case.

0:35:55 > 0:36:00Simpson had cuts on his left hand, particularly on the middle knuckle.

0:36:00 > 0:36:03- How did you get the injury on your hand?- I don't know.

0:36:03 > 0:36:06To the left-hand side of the bloody

0:36:06 > 0:36:11shoe prints, walking away, there were five blood drops found.

0:36:13 > 0:36:15Those blood drops were tested

0:36:15 > 0:36:19through different DNA analyses and by different labs,

0:36:19 > 0:36:21and it came back to Simpson.

0:36:23 > 0:36:25Quite simply, that was Simpson's blood.

0:36:27 > 0:36:30Inside the Bronco we have Nicole's blood,

0:36:30 > 0:36:34we have Ron's blood smeared inside there, and we have OJ's blood.

0:36:37 > 0:36:402.1 miles away from the Bundy crime scene,

0:36:40 > 0:36:43we've got blood drops in the driveway,

0:36:43 > 0:36:46blood drops inside the house.

0:36:47 > 0:36:50The best thing about scientific evidence

0:36:50 > 0:36:53is that it's objective, it doesn't have biases

0:36:53 > 0:36:58or prejudices. That's why we concentrated so much on DNA.

0:36:58 > 0:37:01We went to two labs. First time ever that's been done.

0:37:01 > 0:37:04We gave them sample after sample.

0:37:04 > 0:37:09We gave the opportunity to prove that it wasn't OJ Simpson.

0:37:09 > 0:37:12I could have been the biggest hero, perhaps

0:37:12 > 0:37:15in Los Angeles, if not the country, if I could

0:37:15 > 0:37:16have walked into court a week after he'd

0:37:16 > 0:37:20been arrested, and said, "Guess what. It's not OJ Simpson."

0:37:20 > 0:37:24But all the DNA evidence points to Mr Simpson

0:37:24 > 0:37:27as being the person who committed those horrible crimes.

0:37:49 > 0:37:54I think a lot of people stayed supportive up until the DNA.

0:37:56 > 0:38:01I was 99.9% sure he was the killer right then.

0:38:03 > 0:38:06As the results were coming in, Mr Simpson was saying,

0:38:06 > 0:38:10"Look, you know, I can't explain it, but it's not true."

0:38:12 > 0:38:14There were six lawyers in court,

0:38:14 > 0:38:17sometimes seven, nine behind the scenes.

0:38:17 > 0:38:22There were two lawyers, Barry and Johnnie.

0:38:22 > 0:38:27Barry did the science and Johnnie did everything else.

0:38:27 > 0:38:29And even Barry did everything else.

0:38:29 > 0:38:33He had a single-minded focus and purpose,

0:38:33 > 0:38:38and he emerged over the course of the trial

0:38:38 > 0:38:41as second chair in the case.

0:38:41 > 0:38:43- Good morning, Mr Fung. How are you, sir?- Morning.

0:38:45 > 0:38:48My favourite lawyer was Barry Scheck.

0:38:48 > 0:38:52He was the most colourful. I thought he was brilliant.

0:38:52 > 0:38:55Why don't we talk about the envelope for a minute?

0:38:55 > 0:38:57There was a key piece of evidence,

0:38:57 > 0:39:02which was the envelope that Ronald Goldman was bringing back to Nicole,

0:39:02 > 0:39:07and there was some foot impressions in blood on the envelope.

0:39:07 > 0:39:12Mr Fung, when you are collecting an item

0:39:12 > 0:39:16which could contain fingerprints,

0:39:16 > 0:39:19you would not touch that item with your bare hand, would you?

0:39:19 > 0:39:20I would try not to.

0:39:20 > 0:39:24Well, you say you try not to. It would be wrong to do that,

0:39:24 > 0:39:27- wouldn't it? - Yes.

0:39:27 > 0:39:29We had looked at hours and hours and hours

0:39:29 > 0:39:33of news footage of Mr Fung and Miss Mazzola

0:39:33 > 0:39:37picking up items of evidence at the crime scene.

0:39:37 > 0:39:40Did you touch that envelope with your bare hands

0:39:40 > 0:39:42while collecting it, Mr Fung?

0:39:43 > 0:39:44No.

0:39:46 > 0:39:47Sure of that?

0:39:47 > 0:39:49Yes.

0:39:49 > 0:39:51I'd like to show you this piece of videotape, Mr Fung.

0:40:02 > 0:40:04There. There.

0:40:04 > 0:40:06How about that, Mr Fung?

0:40:08 > 0:40:12- Is that a question, Mr Scheck?- Yes. How about that picture, Mr Fung?

0:40:12 > 0:40:14Does that refresh your recollection

0:40:14 > 0:40:19that you took the envelope from Andrea Mazzola with your bare hand?

0:40:19 > 0:40:20It could be anything.

0:40:22 > 0:40:26They called it a Perry Mason moment. It was just a good impeachment

0:40:26 > 0:40:28of the witness, but in some ways it really

0:40:28 > 0:40:31encapsulated the problem that they'd used

0:40:31 > 0:40:33terrible methods in terms of gathering

0:40:33 > 0:40:37this evidence and potentially cross-contaminating

0:40:37 > 0:40:40it and destroying it, it was very precious crime scene evidence.

0:40:40 > 0:40:42I found that the specimen handling procedures

0:40:42 > 0:40:46were done in such a manner that there's

0:40:46 > 0:40:49a tremendous risk of the potential of cross contamination.

0:40:51 > 0:40:54Something we'd never do unless you absolutely have to is cover a body,

0:40:54 > 0:40:56because of contamination.

0:40:58 > 0:41:00A sheet was over the body. You recall seeing that?

0:41:00 > 0:41:02I believe it was a blanket, yes.

0:41:02 > 0:41:05Do you know where that blanket came from?

0:41:05 > 0:41:07I believe the inside of the house.

0:41:07 > 0:41:09And can you tell us, Detective, who took this

0:41:09 > 0:41:11blanket out and put it over the body? Who did that?

0:41:11 > 0:41:13I did.

0:41:14 > 0:41:17We have to make some decisions to protect the evidence.

0:41:17 > 0:41:19Cameras were looking right down

0:41:19 > 0:41:22on the crime scene, all the evidence, the bodies.

0:41:23 > 0:41:26As a general principle, as a criminalist,

0:41:26 > 0:41:31you try at all costs to avoid taking an object

0:41:31 > 0:41:33that could have lots of hairs and fibres on it

0:41:33 > 0:41:38and putting it right into the middle of a crime scene, don't you?

0:41:38 > 0:41:40- That's correct. - That's a terrible mistake

0:41:40 > 0:41:43from the point of view of a criminalist, isn't it?

0:41:44 > 0:41:46Yes.

0:41:46 > 0:41:49Over the past few days, the defence has chipped

0:41:49 > 0:41:53away at the growing presumption of OJ Simpson's guilt.

0:41:53 > 0:41:56The way evidence was collected, processed, stored

0:41:56 > 0:41:59gave rise to reasonable question as to whether

0:41:59 > 0:42:00something wrong could have happened.

0:42:00 > 0:42:02You did not change gloves

0:42:02 > 0:42:06between the collection of each sample, did you?

0:42:06 > 0:42:08Not that I can recall, no.

0:42:08 > 0:42:11Dennis Fung was a definite weak link.

0:42:11 > 0:42:15This kid, he tries, OK? They ripped him up terribly.

0:42:15 > 0:42:20On July 3rd, you saw blood on the gate

0:42:20 > 0:42:23that you collected.

0:42:23 > 0:42:25Yes.

0:42:25 > 0:42:29Let's look back at the picture of the gate on June 13th.

0:42:33 > 0:42:35Where is it, Mr Fung?

0:42:40 > 0:42:43I can't see it in the pic... photograph.

0:42:43 > 0:42:45'We don't know what happened to that blood.'

0:42:45 > 0:42:48All I know is while I was listening,

0:42:48 > 0:42:50they were saying they took a picture where

0:42:50 > 0:42:53there was no blood on the back gate

0:42:53 > 0:42:56and then, a month later, there was some blood.

0:42:59 > 0:43:01Why it didn't get picked up, why it didn't

0:43:01 > 0:43:04get collected, difficult to explain.

0:43:04 > 0:43:07In the fog of war, people on the scene

0:43:07 > 0:43:11and all the activity going on around it,

0:43:11 > 0:43:13things get missed.

0:43:15 > 0:43:20It is my opinion that...that the bloodstain contained EDTA.

0:43:20 > 0:43:22EDTA is a preservative that was added

0:43:22 > 0:43:24to the blood samples taken from Simpson

0:43:24 > 0:43:27and the victims, and if EDTA is present

0:43:27 > 0:43:32on the evidence, the defence says the blood may have been planted.

0:43:32 > 0:43:34In your blood right now there is a low level

0:43:34 > 0:43:36of EDTA, because it's in everything you eat,

0:43:36 > 0:43:38it's in your laundry detergent, it's everywhere.

0:43:38 > 0:43:42You're going to find EDTA no matter what you do.

0:43:42 > 0:43:44But the defence is trying to insinuate that

0:43:44 > 0:43:46somebody took the blood that had been drawn

0:43:46 > 0:43:48from Simpson's arm and took that test tube

0:43:48 > 0:43:51and sprinkled it all over the crime scene.

0:43:51 > 0:43:52And it's ridiculous.

0:43:53 > 0:43:57When you took OJ's blood sample,

0:43:57 > 0:44:00you were at a place called Parker Center?

0:44:00 > 0:44:05- Yes, sir.- What type of security did you use for that blood vial?

0:44:05 > 0:44:08I placed it in a manila envelope,

0:44:08 > 0:44:12maintained control of it and hand- delivered it to the criminalist.

0:44:12 > 0:44:14Where was the criminalist?

0:44:14 > 0:44:16At Rockingham.

0:44:16 > 0:44:19You're bringing the suspect's blood

0:44:19 > 0:44:23back to a crime scene where we're collecting blood?

0:44:23 > 0:44:25Really?

0:44:25 > 0:44:28How many times have you taken blood

0:44:28 > 0:44:31from Parker Center out to a crime scene?

0:44:41 > 0:44:45I don't know. This may have been the first time. I don't know.

0:44:45 > 0:44:48I can't recall right now any other times that I've done that.

0:44:51 > 0:44:53If you're a juror who has grown up in Los Angeles

0:44:53 > 0:44:55and spent your life hearing that the LAPD

0:44:55 > 0:44:58is capable of doing anything to a black person

0:44:58 > 0:45:03and you hear that, you've just been handed some doubt.

0:45:03 > 0:45:06When did we start carrying blood in our pocket?

0:45:06 > 0:45:09When did our SID lab stop wearing gloves?

0:45:09 > 0:45:14When did we not book stuff in a timely fashion?

0:45:14 > 0:45:16That... There's no rationale for that.

0:45:16 > 0:45:20We had, I think, a pretty good demonstrative of a black box.

0:45:20 > 0:45:23'The idea was that certain crime-scene evidence

0:45:23 > 0:45:26'came in and the black box was the LAPD

0:45:26 > 0:45:28'and the way they handled the evidence,

0:45:28 > 0:45:30'and on the other side were all the results

0:45:30 > 0:45:33'from Cellmark, the FBI, the DNA laboratories.

0:45:33 > 0:45:35'It was pretty simple when you broke it down.'

0:45:35 > 0:45:37Garbage in, garbage out.

0:45:37 > 0:45:39I mean, you cannot go back and say,

0:45:39 > 0:45:41"Well, maybe they planted evidence on the glove,

0:45:41 > 0:45:45"maybe on the back gate. Oh, there's blood missing. Big deal."

0:45:45 > 0:45:47How can that be a big deal?

0:45:47 > 0:45:50Scheck was very disingenuous.

0:45:50 > 0:45:55I mean, EDTA, missing blood, coincidence?

0:45:55 > 0:45:56Corroboration.

0:45:56 > 0:45:58Something is terribly wrong.

0:45:58 > 0:46:01It was absolute nonsense.

0:46:01 > 0:46:04- INTERVIEWER:- You believe that that blood was planted by the LAPD?

0:46:04 > 0:46:09You know, it's not my job to believe or not believe.

0:46:09 > 0:46:13Could the police officers in Los Angeles

0:46:13 > 0:46:15have planted evidence against Mr Simpson

0:46:15 > 0:46:20in this case to improve their chances of winning?

0:46:20 > 0:46:23You know, there was certainly good evidence

0:46:23 > 0:46:25to support that hypothesis.

0:46:26 > 0:46:29- MARCIA CLARK:- Barry Scheck really was an expert.

0:46:29 > 0:46:31Can you remember the whole business

0:46:31 > 0:46:35about development length and the notion of controls failing?

0:46:35 > 0:46:37He knew that so much of what he was trying to show

0:46:37 > 0:46:40with these witnesses was just garbage.

0:46:40 > 0:46:42Mr Yamauchi opened up the reference tube

0:46:42 > 0:46:45in the morning and spilled out the blood.

0:46:45 > 0:46:46It was unethical.

0:46:46 > 0:46:49He argued things he knew were not true,

0:46:49 > 0:46:50he knew could not be true.

0:46:50 > 0:46:53The most likely and probable inference

0:46:53 > 0:46:57is the one that is not for the timid or the faint of heart.

0:46:57 > 0:47:01Somebody played with this evidence!

0:47:01 > 0:47:02And there's no doubt about it.

0:47:04 > 0:47:06Just so I'm clear,

0:47:06 > 0:47:09you believe that all the blood evidence in the case...

0:47:09 > 0:47:12You know, you're asking me this question, do I believe...

0:47:12 > 0:47:16Think, you know, is not...

0:47:16 > 0:47:19the... Because you're...

0:47:21 > 0:47:26The... As you know from meticulously researching

0:47:26 > 0:47:28this case, and this has been written about,

0:47:28 > 0:47:33we presented, you know, sound arguments

0:47:33 > 0:47:36and evidence to explain each piece of this evidence

0:47:36 > 0:47:38and how it got there.

0:47:39 > 0:47:42You know, I'm not omniscient.

0:47:42 > 0:47:45Do you think you did what you needed to do?

0:47:45 > 0:47:47I did the best I could.

0:47:47 > 0:47:52'It's the best defence money can buy, and that's very expensive -

0:47:52 > 0:47:57'for OJ Simpson, an estimated 50,000 a day.'

0:48:09 > 0:48:12OJ had money to spend

0:48:12 > 0:48:17and a willingness to spend it on his own defence.

0:48:17 > 0:48:21This was the first for me. Sui generis. One of a kind.

0:48:24 > 0:48:27He'd been in jail two or three days, tops.

0:48:27 > 0:48:29The first thing he wanted to do is to make sure

0:48:29 > 0:48:32that we started marketing and merchandising

0:48:32 > 0:48:34and generating a lot of money.

0:48:44 > 0:48:47Because OJ was not convicted of any crime

0:48:47 > 0:48:50and autographs was his normal business...

0:48:51 > 0:48:54..he was allowed to still sign autographs in jail.

0:48:56 > 0:48:59Rather than taking a jersey into the jail

0:48:59 > 0:49:01to be signed, he would take a number in,

0:49:01 > 0:49:05like this, he would sign the number, and then the number would be put

0:49:05 > 0:49:07onto a jersey like this.

0:49:07 > 0:49:09Rather than being able to take in a whole football,

0:49:09 > 0:49:12he would take in a panel.

0:49:12 > 0:49:14He would sign the panel, then the panel would be

0:49:14 > 0:49:18sent in to the company, then you'd have a football.

0:49:20 > 0:49:25I'm not sure what drove the market, but it was driven.

0:49:26 > 0:49:28It was nonstop.

0:49:28 > 0:49:33There were times he'd sit there and go through 2,500 cards

0:49:33 > 0:49:38and then say, "OK, so 2,500 cards times 25."

0:49:38 > 0:49:40He'd run the math.

0:49:40 > 0:49:42And he said, "Not bad."

0:49:42 > 0:49:48When he sat in jail, we did three million dollars in autographs.

0:49:50 > 0:49:53It just went and went and went.

0:49:53 > 0:49:56There was no end.

0:49:56 > 0:50:00Photos of he and Johnnie Cochran that he and Johnnie signed -

0:50:00 > 0:50:03that's probably the only item that I did and I looked back and thought,

0:50:03 > 0:50:07"Man, this sucks. I can't believe we did this."

0:50:07 > 0:50:09The Goldmans were screaming,

0:50:09 > 0:50:13but you're innocent until convicted.

0:50:33 > 0:50:35What was found on the glove at Rockingham?

0:50:35 > 0:50:39Simpson's blood, Nicole's blood and Ron's blood.

0:50:40 > 0:50:42That glove is now tied in to three people

0:50:42 > 0:50:44that can only intersect when they're bleeding.

0:50:44 > 0:50:47That might be a timeframe that might be a little

0:50:47 > 0:50:50difficult to put together unless you are

0:50:50 > 0:50:53killing two people and cutting yourself.

0:50:53 > 0:50:56Whoever wore that glove killed those people?

0:50:56 > 0:50:57Yes.

0:50:57 > 0:50:59I'd like to show you a pair of gloves.

0:51:01 > 0:51:06Showing you People's 164A.

0:51:06 > 0:51:09That is an Aris leather light glove

0:51:09 > 0:51:12that was an exclusive glove for Bloomingdale's.

0:51:12 > 0:51:14And what is the size?

0:51:14 > 0:51:17Size is extra large.

0:51:18 > 0:51:21Is that a Bloomingdale's credit card sales receipt?

0:51:21 > 0:51:24- Yes.- And is there a signature on the credit card receipt?

0:51:24 > 0:51:27- Yes.- Can you read that signature to us?

0:51:27 > 0:51:29Nicole Brown.

0:51:32 > 0:51:35It was later in the afternoon, and

0:51:35 > 0:51:38the person who they had giving the testimony regarding the glove...

0:51:38 > 0:51:40Wait, may I try this on?

0:51:40 > 0:51:43'..you could see where it was leading up to.'

0:51:43 > 0:51:44So, this is an extra large glove?

0:51:44 > 0:51:46Yes.

0:51:46 > 0:51:48Extra large is kind of small?

0:51:48 > 0:51:50No, but they stretch.

0:51:51 > 0:51:53'Obviously, it was too big.

0:51:55 > 0:51:58'At 24 years old, I could see this is a trick.'

0:51:58 > 0:52:01Don't fall for it.

0:52:01 > 0:52:04'We can see that that glove is big on his hand.

0:52:06 > 0:52:09'You don't have to do anything.'

0:52:11 > 0:52:15That afternoon I got a call from Marcia,

0:52:15 > 0:52:17basically affirming the game plan, "We're not

0:52:17 > 0:52:19"trying the glove on, right?"

0:52:19 > 0:52:23There's too much of a gamble here. It's shrunk,

0:52:23 > 0:52:26he's probably been working out his hand.

0:52:26 > 0:52:28Absolutely not.

0:52:29 > 0:52:31I went over to him and said, "Chris,

0:52:31 > 0:52:34"you know you're a good ship, but you've got the balls

0:52:34 > 0:52:36"of a stud fieldmouse.

0:52:36 > 0:52:38"That glove won't fit OJ, and if you don't

0:52:38 > 0:52:41"show the jury that, be it the fact, I will."

0:52:42 > 0:52:44Chris says, "I want to do it."

0:52:44 > 0:52:49And I told him in no uncertain terms why we should not be doing this,

0:52:49 > 0:52:51and he said, "If we don't, they will."

0:52:51 > 0:52:54And I said, "Then let them. And we can show why it was

0:52:54 > 0:52:57"a bullshit experiment, it would never work.

0:52:57 > 0:52:59"Between the shrinkage and the latex,

0:52:59 > 0:53:02"it's never going to fit him the same way. Don't do this.

0:53:02 > 0:53:04"Don't do this."

0:53:04 > 0:53:06It was the biggest fight Chris and I ever had.

0:53:06 > 0:53:09Darden, I think, felt, "You know, I've been pushed

0:53:09 > 0:53:11"around in this courtroom enough,

0:53:11 > 0:53:13"I've been made to feel small."

0:53:13 > 0:53:18You could see the disaster coming.

0:53:21 > 0:53:26There's a camera to our right watching everything.

0:53:26 > 0:53:29Johnnie comes back from side bar and says,

0:53:29 > 0:53:34"OK, guys, they're going to ask OJ to try on the gloves.

0:53:34 > 0:53:39"I don't want anyone to react."

0:53:39 > 0:53:42We've been rejoined by all the members of our jury panel.

0:53:42 > 0:53:44Mr Darden, do you have any further questions of Mr Rubin?

0:53:44 > 0:53:46Just a few, Your Honour.

0:53:50 > 0:53:52Your Honour, at this time, the People would ask

0:53:52 > 0:53:56that Mr Simpson step forward and try on the glove

0:53:56 > 0:54:00recovered at Bundy as well as the glove recovered at Rockingham.

0:54:02 > 0:54:04He can do that seated there?

0:54:04 > 0:54:07'You could hear a pin drop.'

0:54:07 > 0:54:13OJ was initially seated, putting on the first glove.

0:54:13 > 0:54:17I'm handing Mr Simpson the left glove from Rockingham.

0:54:18 > 0:54:21And right when it was clear it did not fit,

0:54:21 > 0:54:25OJ goes into Naked Gun mode.

0:54:26 > 0:54:32He stands up and shows his hand, and that's when he's now, "OK."

0:54:39 > 0:54:42The guy's an actor, for God's sakes.

0:54:42 > 0:54:44He's playing to 50 million people.

0:54:48 > 0:54:50Mr Simpson?

0:54:52 > 0:54:57All right, records reflect that Mr Simpson has both gloves.

0:54:57 > 0:54:59What was he going to do?

0:54:59 > 0:55:03Make a good-faith effort with plastic over his hands?

0:55:03 > 0:55:06All right, will you show that to the jury, Mr Simpson, and the bench?

0:55:06 > 0:55:09'The whole thing was so wildly ill-conceived,

0:55:09 > 0:55:14'so totally inappropriate, so doomed to failure.'

0:55:14 > 0:55:18The idea that Chris Darden would do this!

0:55:18 > 0:55:22Mr Darden, would you wrap it up, please?

0:55:22 > 0:55:26I looked at him like, "I can't believe you did it.

0:55:26 > 0:55:28"You let him play you.

0:55:29 > 0:55:32"You are the weaker one.

0:55:33 > 0:55:36"And you didn't have to be."

0:55:37 > 0:55:39You just take the gloves,

0:55:39 > 0:55:44you take both attorneys and the deputy, and the suspect

0:55:44 > 0:55:48and you go into chambers. And you do it on the record in chambers.

0:55:48 > 0:55:52You don't do it with latex underneath.

0:55:52 > 0:55:53My grandson couldn't have gotten

0:55:53 > 0:55:55into those gloves with latex underneath.

0:55:56 > 0:55:59Did you observe the manner in which Mr Simpson put the gloves on today?

0:55:59 > 0:56:02- Yes, I did.- You've seen people put gloves on in the past.

0:56:02 > 0:56:03Yes, I have.

0:56:03 > 0:56:06Did he put the gloves on in a manner consistent with what other...?

0:56:06 > 0:56:10- Objection, Your Honour. - Sustained. The jury observed

0:56:10 > 0:56:13what happened.

0:56:13 > 0:56:15It made the prosecution look silly.

0:56:16 > 0:56:19Anything unusual about the way Mr Simpson put the gloves on,

0:56:19 > 0:56:23- based on your experience? - Objection, Your Honour.- Sustained.

0:56:24 > 0:56:29I felt sorry for him, because he looked weak.

0:56:29 > 0:56:31I have nothing further.

0:56:33 > 0:56:38This was THE definition of the trial lawyer's mistake.

0:56:38 > 0:56:43Don't ask a question to which you don't know the answer.

0:56:43 > 0:56:45He didn't know whether that glove fit.

0:56:47 > 0:56:49Chris honestly felt that he would have

0:56:49 > 0:56:54a dramatic courtroom moment by demonstrating the gloves fit.

0:56:54 > 0:56:57It was an intuitive move on his part,

0:56:57 > 0:56:59and it was a mistake.

0:56:59 > 0:57:04Had OJ never put that glove on, I would have assumed that it fit.

0:57:04 > 0:57:06I saw how big it was.

0:57:07 > 0:57:11'And that's when I just knew that, you know, why is this guy here?

0:57:11 > 0:57:13'He's ruining this case.'

0:57:15 > 0:57:18Outside of Perry Mason, what could be more dramatic

0:57:18 > 0:57:23than OJ Simpson showing the jury that the killer's gloves don't fit?

0:57:23 > 0:57:25Prosecutorial attempts at damage control

0:57:25 > 0:57:29might not be able to undermine the power of that image.

0:57:32 > 0:57:36The funny thing about the glove, he didn't want to put them on.

0:57:36 > 0:57:38I said, "Look, if you're worried about the gloves

0:57:38 > 0:57:41"fitting or not fitting, just don't take your arthritis

0:57:41 > 0:57:43"medicine, no big deal."

0:57:43 > 0:57:47And he said, "Mike, my hands would hurt like hell."

0:57:47 > 0:57:49And I said, "Why would they hurt like hell?"

0:57:49 > 0:57:51And he - and you could just see the light

0:57:51 > 0:57:55click, you know, just - ah, hands would get swollen,

0:57:55 > 0:57:57couldn't bend his knuckles.

0:57:57 > 0:58:01So, he didn't take arthritis medicine for, like, two weeks.

0:58:01 > 0:58:05- Do you think that made a difference? - Well, he couldn't bend his hands.

0:58:05 > 0:58:07You tell me.

0:58:14 > 0:58:17One day, a friend of OJ's, Alan Austin, came up to me,

0:58:17 > 0:58:21and he said, "Answer a question for me.

0:58:22 > 0:58:25"What would Mark Fuhrman have to know

0:58:25 > 0:58:28"before he placed the glove there?"

0:58:30 > 0:58:33Well...I don't know.

0:58:35 > 0:58:37He said, "He would have to know

0:58:37 > 0:58:40"that Orenthal James Simpson, a six-foot-two-and-a-half

0:58:40 > 0:58:44"black guy living in a white world, had no alibi.

0:58:47 > 0:58:49"He was in no woman's bed,

0:58:49 > 0:58:52"he was in no restaurant,

0:58:52 > 0:58:56"he was on no airplane, he had no alibi.

0:58:57 > 0:59:02"So how could Mark Fuhrman place that glove if he didn't know that?"

0:59:04 > 0:59:09And I said, "Are you telling me he's guilty?"

0:59:11 > 0:59:14And Alan just nodded.

0:59:14 > 0:59:16And the tears were streaming down my face.

0:59:16 > 0:59:21And, suddenly, I felt cuckolded,

0:59:21 > 0:59:23because, I'm telling you, if OJ had put

0:59:23 > 0:59:25his face up to the glass to me and said,

0:59:25 > 0:59:32"Something happened, and I just snapped, and I went crazy,"

0:59:32 > 0:59:35I would've defended and forgiven him.

0:59:37 > 0:59:39When he put his face next to the glass

0:59:39 > 0:59:42and said, "I swear to God I didn't do this,"

0:59:42 > 0:59:45and then it suddenly looked like he did,

0:59:45 > 0:59:49I got angry, I felt wounded, I felt betrayed.

0:59:49 > 0:59:53I know it sounds naive, I know it sounds stupid.

0:59:53 > 0:59:56It just didn't occur to me that he could do THAT.

1:00:02 > 1:00:05- TAPE:- 'Dr Golden dictating autopsy case

1:00:05 > 1:00:10'94-05136, autopsy on Nicole Brown Simpson.'

1:00:12 > 1:00:15Having studied the crime scene...

1:00:17 > 1:00:22..I believe that Nicole had come out of the house expecting Ron Goldman.

1:00:26 > 1:00:29She encountered OJ, then she was quickly subdued.

1:00:30 > 1:00:32There was evidence of blunt force trauma

1:00:32 > 1:00:35near the crown of her head, possibly consistent,

1:00:35 > 1:00:38per the testimony of the coroner, with having

1:00:38 > 1:00:41been struck with the butt end of the knife.

1:00:41 > 1:00:44'Scalp bruised, right parietal.'

1:00:44 > 1:00:46I believe she went down.

1:00:49 > 1:00:51Four stab wounds, three deep, one shallow

1:00:51 > 1:00:54were inflicted upon the left side of her neck.

1:00:56 > 1:01:00Her head was on the first step above the lower

1:01:00 > 1:01:02pavement level, where the rest of her body was.

1:01:05 > 1:01:07I believe that Ron Goldman came upon the scene

1:01:07 > 1:01:10after Nicole had been subdued.

1:01:10 > 1:01:13As Ron came upon Nicole, as he moved forward

1:01:13 > 1:01:18to the fallen Nicole, OJ grabbed Ron from behind

1:01:18 > 1:01:21and probably had the knife at his throat.

1:01:22 > 1:01:26Simpson's left hand was perhaps around Ron's chest,

1:01:26 > 1:01:29and, in the course of a short exchange, which could

1:01:29 > 1:01:34have included some sort of taunting, Simpson poked Ron in the right cheek

1:01:34 > 1:01:40five times and then drew the knife blade twice across his throat.

1:01:40 > 1:01:43I suspect Ron, in an effort to free himself

1:01:43 > 1:01:45from Simpson's grasp, went to the hand

1:01:45 > 1:01:48that was controlling him, Simpson's left hand,

1:01:48 > 1:01:51grabbed it, pulled it and probably in the process

1:01:51 > 1:01:53wrenched the glove from Simpson's hand,

1:01:53 > 1:01:57hence the left-hand glove being found in the foliage.

1:01:58 > 1:02:00And then Ron turned with his back

1:02:00 > 1:02:04inside the security bars at the foot of the stairs.

1:02:04 > 1:02:06It was in effect a killing cage.

1:02:08 > 1:02:12Ron had bars to his left, bars behind him,

1:02:12 > 1:02:17tree to his right, stairwell coming down,

1:02:17 > 1:02:20and he had a very strong, powerful figure

1:02:20 > 1:02:25with a very sharp knife slashing at him.

1:02:25 > 1:02:27Ron suffered defence wounds

1:02:27 > 1:02:29to both of his hands, deep defensive wounds,

1:02:29 > 1:02:32so he's clearly trying to parry the knife.

1:02:32 > 1:02:35He suffered a number of stab wounds

1:02:35 > 1:02:38as he's twisting and turning in the scene.

1:02:38 > 1:02:43At one point Simpson catches Ron, with a...

1:02:43 > 1:02:47it was kind of a sweeping, stabbing motion to Ron's left flank.

1:02:47 > 1:02:50And the knife blade penetrates Ron's abdomen

1:02:50 > 1:02:54and almost completely severs his abdominal artery.

1:02:55 > 1:02:59You've got about a minute to live because of the massive bleed-out.

1:02:59 > 1:03:03Blood is filling Ron's abdominal cavity,

1:03:03 > 1:03:06blood is pouring out of the wound to Ron's left flank,

1:03:06 > 1:03:10soaking the left pants leg of Ron.

1:03:10 > 1:03:12And, ultimately, after a matter of some seconds,

1:03:12 > 1:03:14hard to determine how many, I believe

1:03:14 > 1:03:17Ron simply sank to the ground in a seated position

1:03:17 > 1:03:20with his back against the upright bars.

1:03:21 > 1:03:25As we know from the evidence, there was movement between the two bodies.

1:03:25 > 1:03:28I suspect Simpson went back to Nicole's body,

1:03:28 > 1:03:32lifted her head by grabbing her blonde head hair

1:03:32 > 1:03:36and causing the massive incise wound across her neck...

1:03:38 > 1:03:41..in the process severing just about everything in her neck

1:03:41 > 1:03:45and putting a quarter-inch nick in her C3 vertebrae.

1:03:46 > 1:03:50'This is a fatal sharp force injury.'

1:03:50 > 1:03:52Simpson moves back to Ron Goldman,

1:03:52 > 1:03:55grabs his shirt, so it would be above Ron's

1:03:55 > 1:03:58right shoulder, transferring blood, head hairs,

1:03:58 > 1:04:02from Nicole to Ron's shirt, twists Ron's body to the side,

1:04:02 > 1:04:04and we know there were four deep

1:04:04 > 1:04:09intersecting knife wounds to the left side of Ron's neck.

1:04:09 > 1:04:13In my opinion, overkill with regard to Ron,

1:04:13 > 1:04:15overkill with regard to Nicole.

1:04:15 > 1:04:20Simpson at this point stepped back, stepped in the blood that's pumping

1:04:20 > 1:04:24from Nicole, and in what appears to be a very

1:04:24 > 1:04:28even stride, goes up the steps and out of the crime scene,

1:04:28 > 1:04:29towards the back of the house,

1:04:29 > 1:04:33towards the alley, where the Bronco had to have been parked.

1:04:36 > 1:04:39DOG BARKS

1:04:43 > 1:04:45Listen...

1:04:45 > 1:04:50I just flat out, categorically

1:04:50 > 1:04:53deny the fact that he could do that.

1:04:55 > 1:04:56Period.

1:05:14 > 1:05:17I came up from court one day

1:05:17 > 1:05:22and Bill said, "I've got some bad news." More? Again?

1:05:22 > 1:05:24He said, "There are some tapes."

1:05:28 > 1:05:30What if it could be proved that Detective Mark Fuhrman

1:05:30 > 1:05:36lied on the witness stand when he denied ever using the word "nigger"?

1:05:36 > 1:05:38Oh, no.

1:05:38 > 1:05:42Both sides want to get their hands on the 12 hours of taped interviews

1:05:42 > 1:05:45Fuhrman gave screenwriter Laura Hart McKinny

1:05:45 > 1:05:49as background for her fictional script on LA police.

1:05:49 > 1:05:51On the tapes, Fuhrman used racial epithets and talked

1:05:51 > 1:05:54of framing people.

1:05:54 > 1:05:55What the fuck, dude?

1:05:57 > 1:06:00We were not aware of the tapes.

1:06:00 > 1:06:03- Should he have told you about them? - We were not aware of the tapes.

1:06:03 > 1:06:08It was pennies from heaven. We'd been given a gift.

1:06:13 > 1:06:15Miss Drummond?

1:06:28 > 1:06:32Listening to that, I just felt like somebody

1:06:32 > 1:06:35opened up a drainpipe and just rolled it over my body.

1:06:52 > 1:06:57Things that were said resonated

1:06:57 > 1:07:01with things I had heard for 30 years or more

1:07:01 > 1:07:03about the way that cops think...

1:07:05 > 1:07:06..and act.

1:07:15 > 1:07:18When you hear those things...

1:07:21 > 1:07:24..some of the characters in that screenplay

1:07:24 > 1:07:27I wrapped around some of the people that I knew

1:07:27 > 1:07:30on LAPD and other departments.

1:07:30 > 1:07:34I can remember where I heard them,

1:07:34 > 1:07:39I can remember some who said them,

1:07:39 > 1:07:42and then there's a little...

1:07:43 > 1:07:45..exaggeration in it.

1:07:54 > 1:07:58Fuhrman may say he was just fictionalising...

1:07:59 > 1:08:03..but his words rang true.

1:08:12 > 1:08:14Does that mean that he planted a glove? No, it doesn't.

1:08:14 > 1:08:18It doesn't even necessarily mean that he's an authentic racist.

1:08:20 > 1:08:22But it means he's prepared to act like one.

1:08:24 > 1:08:25Yeah, it was pretty bad.

1:08:27 > 1:08:30And there's nothing that you can take back,

1:08:30 > 1:08:34there's not, like, a, "Oh, gee, gosh, I'm sorry."

1:08:44 > 1:08:49We came to this court seven months ago expecting a fair trial.

1:08:49 > 1:08:52My son had a right to it,

1:08:52 > 1:08:54we as a family had a right to it,

1:08:54 > 1:08:57Nicole and her family had a right to it.

1:08:58 > 1:09:05Instead, we get this crap spewed in front of the cameras for two hours.

1:09:05 > 1:09:10For what purpose? I'd love to know what the judge had in mind.

1:09:10 > 1:09:15This is now the Fuhrman trial. It's not the trial of OJ Simpson,

1:09:15 > 1:09:19who is accused of murdering my son and Nicole.

1:09:19 > 1:09:24- CHANTING:- We want justice! We want justice!

1:09:26 > 1:09:29In all their ugliness, the tapes have now

1:09:29 > 1:09:31been made public, but Judge Lance Ito

1:09:31 > 1:09:35has yet to decide if the jury will hear what others already have.

1:09:35 > 1:09:37The tapes shall be released.

1:09:37 > 1:09:39We want them now.

1:09:39 > 1:09:41We want justice now.

1:09:42 > 1:09:44The judge was on the fence as to whether or not

1:09:44 > 1:09:48he was going to let certain stuff come in.

1:09:48 > 1:09:51That required people speaking out to say,

1:09:51 > 1:09:55"This is not something you should be hiding from the jury."

1:09:55 > 1:09:57We know that if you can railroad OJ Simpson

1:09:57 > 1:10:02with his millions of dollars and his dream team

1:10:02 > 1:10:05of legal experts, we know what you can do

1:10:05 > 1:10:07to the average African American and other

1:10:07 > 1:10:09decent citizens in this country.

1:10:11 > 1:10:14It was bigger than OJ Simpson.

1:10:16 > 1:10:19Something larger than him is at stake.

1:10:20 > 1:10:23- CHANTING:- Release the tapes! Release the tapes!

1:10:25 > 1:10:29OJ Simpson became a symbol of that decade,

1:10:29 > 1:10:34of that time, of that response to

1:10:34 > 1:10:40"Has the mentality of America changed

1:10:40 > 1:10:42"in the civil rights struggle...

1:10:44 > 1:10:47"..or is it business as usual?"

1:10:47 > 1:10:50CHANTING

1:10:52 > 1:10:59For me, as a progressive Christian, a Democrat,

1:10:59 > 1:11:02I'm going, like, "When are we going to go back to the evidence?"

1:11:04 > 1:11:09You would find yourself in a room of ministers and community leaders,

1:11:09 > 1:11:13and the conversation inevitably would go back to OJ

1:11:13 > 1:11:16and how OJ was being mistreated.

1:11:16 > 1:11:20Justice be done in the courtroom, we pray, yes!

1:11:22 > 1:11:24We are talking about justice!

1:11:24 > 1:11:28'Instead of getting in and saying, "Free OJ,"'

1:11:28 > 1:11:30as if he was a political prisoner,

1:11:30 > 1:11:33it, for me, was, "Let me just get quiet.

1:11:33 > 1:11:36"Let me sit there and say nothing."

1:11:36 > 1:11:38- CHANTING:- Free OJ! Free OJ!

1:11:38 > 1:11:41I really do believe privately a lot of African American

1:11:41 > 1:11:43leaders felt the same.

1:11:43 > 1:11:46If this case gets covered up under the rug,

1:11:46 > 1:11:49you will never trust the criminal justice system again.

1:11:51 > 1:11:55- INTERVIEWER:- You turned OJ Simpson into a civil rights cause.

1:11:57 > 1:11:58Do you at all regret that?

1:11:58 > 1:12:00Absolutely not.

1:12:00 > 1:12:03OJ Simpson was a vessel.

1:12:03 > 1:12:07He was merely a tool that allowed

1:12:07 > 1:12:10something to come out and be exposed.

1:12:10 > 1:12:13So you were using OJ Simpson for your own cause?

1:12:13 > 1:12:17I was using OJ Simpson for OUR cause. For black people's cause.

1:12:24 > 1:12:26There was a realness to the people who were responding to

1:12:26 > 1:12:28the Fuhrman tapes outside the courtroom.

1:12:28 > 1:12:30What was going on inside the courtroom

1:12:30 > 1:12:33was manipulation to the extreme.

1:12:33 > 1:12:36This is a blockbuster. This is a bombshell.

1:12:36 > 1:12:38This is perhaps the biggest thing

1:12:38 > 1:12:40that's happened in any case in this country

1:12:40 > 1:12:43in this decade, and they know it. They've got to face up to it!

1:12:43 > 1:12:46No-one planted any evidence at any time.

1:12:46 > 1:12:49There has been no false statement made about where

1:12:49 > 1:12:51that evidence was found, the analysis of the evidence

1:12:51 > 1:12:53or its results.

1:12:53 > 1:12:55And the defence wants to squirm away from that fact

1:12:55 > 1:12:56by playing the race card.

1:12:56 > 1:12:59This isn't about any race card. This is about credibility card.

1:12:59 > 1:13:01This is about perjury.

1:13:01 > 1:13:03The whole case got forgotten.

1:13:03 > 1:13:07It was all about Fuhrman now, it was all about racial injustice.

1:13:07 > 1:13:11Occasionally, these cartoonists come up with something that's edifying.

1:13:11 > 1:13:14It's a little child, speaking to his mother,

1:13:14 > 1:13:16watching television, who says,

1:13:16 > 1:13:19"What's the forbidden N word they keep talking about, Mommy?"

1:13:19 > 1:13:21She said, "Nicole."

1:13:25 > 1:13:29OJ Simpson's defence team, stunned by Judge Ito's ruling last night

1:13:29 > 1:13:32that only two excerpts of the inflammatory

1:13:32 > 1:13:34Fuhrman tapes, filled with racial slurs,

1:13:34 > 1:13:36may be presented to the jury.

1:13:36 > 1:13:38We think this jury is much smarter

1:13:38 > 1:13:41than this judge gives them credit for.

1:13:42 > 1:13:44What he let in was enough.

1:13:45 > 1:13:47Then we have two excerpts, Your Honour,

1:13:47 > 1:13:49we would like to play at this point, if we could.

1:13:59 > 1:14:00It's a slap.

1:14:00 > 1:14:03It's a slap every time you hear it.

1:14:04 > 1:14:07"We have no niggers where I grew up." Do you recall him saying that?

1:14:07 > 1:14:08Yes.

1:14:10 > 1:14:14To hear anybody speak on race like that is not OK with me.

1:14:14 > 1:14:16When Officer Fuhrman used the word "nigger,"

1:14:16 > 1:14:20it was not light-hearted, it was something that

1:14:20 > 1:14:23he would use in normal conversation.

1:14:24 > 1:14:28Devastating. I believe those tapes never should have been allowed in.

1:14:28 > 1:14:30What is the nexus between the tapes and the murder?

1:14:30 > 1:14:32What does it have to do with the evidence?

1:14:32 > 1:14:36What proof is there that any evidence was planted?

1:14:36 > 1:14:39Well, it definitely became believable that he was capable.

1:14:39 > 1:14:43And I didn't have trust in him any more.

1:14:43 > 1:14:48'He was using it in a demeaning, derogatory fashion.'

1:14:51 > 1:14:54- INTERVIEWER:- You're saying what's on those tapes

1:14:54 > 1:14:57is not reflective of your attitudes or your experiences?

1:14:57 > 1:15:00I don't know how you feel or see me, but I can tell you this -

1:15:00 > 1:15:05you would be shocked if you saw me in the field.

1:15:05 > 1:15:07I was so fair...

1:15:09 > 1:15:15..beyond...beyond all scope of what you had to be.

1:15:15 > 1:15:16Fighting?

1:15:16 > 1:15:19I didn't use Tasers.

1:15:19 > 1:15:21I didn't use sticks.

1:15:21 > 1:15:24When I fought a suspect, I fought straight up.

1:15:24 > 1:15:27I was fair on the street.

1:15:31 > 1:15:34There was a time that I was pretty violent.

1:15:37 > 1:15:40But that was...

1:15:42 > 1:15:44..long before I was in the police department.

1:15:47 > 1:15:48All right, Mr Uelmen, I take it at this point

1:15:48 > 1:15:52- you wish to recall Detective Fuhrman?- Yes, Your Honour.

1:15:54 > 1:15:57'I didn't want to look at him. He made me sick.

1:15:57 > 1:16:02'You have been a liar throughout.'

1:16:02 > 1:16:04And the only reason I know that you didn't

1:16:04 > 1:16:07plant the evidence is because you couldn't have.

1:16:07 > 1:16:09Otherwise, I'm with them.

1:16:09 > 1:16:12Detective Fuhrman, was the testimony

1:16:12 > 1:16:15that you gave at the preliminary hearing

1:16:15 > 1:16:17in this case completely truthful?

1:16:19 > 1:16:22I wish to assert my Fifth Amendment privilege.

1:16:23 > 1:16:27'And one of the most shocking moments was when he took the Fifth.'

1:16:27 > 1:16:29You don't see police officers take the Fifth.

1:16:29 > 1:16:33Have you ever falsified a police report?

1:16:35 > 1:16:38I wish to assert my Fifth Amendment privilege.

1:16:38 > 1:16:41Any kind of questioning is going to help to convict

1:16:41 > 1:16:43him one way or another, so he had to take the Fifth

1:16:43 > 1:16:45to avoid incriminating himself.

1:16:45 > 1:16:48A lot of people don't understand about the Fifth.

1:16:48 > 1:16:51If you answer one question, you answer them all.

1:16:51 > 1:16:56I can't let the defence attorney just run with me.

1:16:56 > 1:16:58'I had to plead the Fifth.'

1:16:58 > 1:17:00Is it your intention to assert your

1:17:00 > 1:17:02Fifth Amendment privilege with respect to all

1:17:02 > 1:17:04questions that I ask you?

1:17:04 > 1:17:06Yes.

1:17:06 > 1:17:09- Could I have a moment? - Certainly.

1:17:09 > 1:17:14That's the main question. I mean, he didn't ask the main question.

1:17:14 > 1:17:16'"Did you plant the glove?"'

1:17:16 > 1:17:18That was the most important one.

1:17:18 > 1:17:21It didn't matter. He wasn't going to answer.

1:17:32 > 1:17:35- Allow me one other question, Your Honour.- What was that, Mr Uelmen?

1:17:35 > 1:17:37Detective Fuhrman, did you plant

1:17:37 > 1:17:41or manufacture any evidence in this case?

1:17:41 > 1:17:45"Hell, no, I don't plant evidence." That's your response.

1:17:45 > 1:17:46And you get incensed.

1:17:46 > 1:17:50"LAPD cops don't plant evidence. I made a damn fool of myself by using

1:17:50 > 1:17:54"a racial epithet. I never should have done that."

1:17:54 > 1:17:57You lay it out, because you've got nothing else to lose.

1:17:59 > 1:18:01I assert my Fifth Amendment privilege.

1:18:03 > 1:18:07He didn't do that. Why in hell wouldn't you do that?

1:18:11 > 1:18:14'For you, it's a documentary. For me, it's the end of my life.'

1:18:17 > 1:18:19Now I'm going to tell you a story.

1:18:20 > 1:18:25In 1989...

1:18:25 > 1:18:28I was married, I had a house,

1:18:28 > 1:18:31had a daughter that was born in '91,

1:18:31 > 1:18:34a son that was born in '93.

1:18:34 > 1:18:37Had this group of friends,

1:18:37 > 1:18:40unbelievable friends.

1:18:40 > 1:18:43Every one of them was different than me, though.

1:18:43 > 1:18:45They all came from intact families,

1:18:45 > 1:18:51fathers, houses they still go back to, rooms that they still had,

1:18:51 > 1:18:55but they welcomed me into this group. I thought I had it made.

1:18:55 > 1:19:00I finally was really happy for the first time in my life.

1:19:00 > 1:19:02Then I answered a phone.

1:19:04 > 1:19:09'I call upon the public to remember that Mark Fuhrman is not the LAPD.'

1:19:09 > 1:19:12The vast majority of the men and women at the LAPD

1:19:12 > 1:19:14are hard-working, honest people.

1:19:14 > 1:19:17They're husbands, they're wives, they're sons, they're daughters.

1:19:17 > 1:19:20They have mortgages. They have kids they want to get through school.

1:19:20 > 1:19:22They work two and three jobs, just like I did

1:19:22 > 1:19:25as a young officer in the '60s and '70s.

1:19:27 > 1:19:29And they want to divorce themselves

1:19:29 > 1:19:32from what they've heard these past few weeks.

1:19:34 > 1:19:37I believe the police force did their job

1:19:37 > 1:19:41and did it correctly, and I cannot see any

1:19:41 > 1:19:46way that the framing of OJ is something that is valid.

1:19:46 > 1:19:48All the evidence points back to the police department,

1:19:48 > 1:19:51and it looks like a major set-up to me.

1:19:51 > 1:19:54I think he's innocent. And not just because I want him to be,

1:19:54 > 1:19:58it's just based upon the facts that have been given.

1:19:58 > 1:20:02I have found most people to be vehemently

1:20:02 > 1:20:05convinced that OJ Simpson is guilty of this double murder.

1:20:05 > 1:20:09Well, I believe that he was set up. And he's a black man in America,

1:20:09 > 1:20:13and black men in America have a hard time getting justice.

1:20:40 > 1:20:44OJ was known as a very good black man

1:20:44 > 1:20:47who had appeal across the board racially.

1:20:48 > 1:20:52Whether OJ's guilty or not is maybe why you're here.

1:20:52 > 1:20:54But my theory's that people who live out in Iowa

1:20:54 > 1:20:57or out in farmland who've never interacted with us

1:20:57 > 1:21:00will suddenly have a negative opinion of us,

1:21:00 > 1:21:04the black man's image and the beating that it's taken

1:21:04 > 1:21:08after we've worked so hard to show that we're not all criminals.

1:21:16 > 1:21:19TV PRESENTER: 'The long-awaited closing arguments

1:21:19 > 1:21:21'in the OJ Simpson trial.'

1:21:21 > 1:21:23This is the last great hurdle for the lawyers

1:21:23 > 1:21:26as they try to convince the jury that their version

1:21:26 > 1:21:27of events is the right one.

1:21:28 > 1:21:32- Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. - ALL:- Good morning.

1:21:32 > 1:21:33Finally.

1:21:33 > 1:21:36I feel like it's been forever since I've talked to you. It kind of has.

1:21:36 > 1:21:38I got up, and I spoke to them.

1:21:38 > 1:21:41'I gave my argument.'

1:21:41 > 1:21:43In the course of presenting all of this evidence,

1:21:43 > 1:21:45some evidence has been presented to you

1:21:45 > 1:21:47that really is not relevant to answer the question

1:21:47 > 1:21:51of who murdered Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown.

1:21:51 > 1:21:55And it's up to you, the jury, to weed out the distractions,

1:21:55 > 1:21:58weed out the sideshows and determine what evidence

1:21:58 > 1:22:01is it that really helps me answer this question.

1:22:02 > 1:22:06'I thought, "They're listening with half an ear."'

1:22:08 > 1:22:12From 9:36 until 10:54...

1:22:13 > 1:22:17..the defendant's whereabouts were unaccounted for.

1:22:17 > 1:22:21At 10:43, Allan Park, the limo driver,

1:22:21 > 1:22:26saw a person approximately six feet tall,

1:22:26 > 1:22:29200lbs, African American,

1:22:29 > 1:22:34wearing all dark clothing walking up the driveway.

1:22:36 > 1:22:38Stone faced.

1:22:40 > 1:22:42'Marcia Clark...'

1:22:46 > 1:22:48You are truly a marvellous jury,

1:22:48 > 1:22:53perhaps the most patient and healthy jury we've ever seen.

1:22:53 > 1:22:54When Johnnie was up there,

1:22:54 > 1:22:58they were, "Oh, we're there, we are there."

1:22:58 > 1:23:01Like the defining moment in this trial,

1:23:01 > 1:23:04the day Mr Darden asked Mr Simpson to try on

1:23:04 > 1:23:08those gloves and the gloves didn't fit, remember these words.

1:23:08 > 1:23:11It was the weekend after the glove demonstration,

1:23:11 > 1:23:15and we were talking, and, you know, Jerry was on the speakerphone.

1:23:15 > 1:23:19He says, "Hey guys, hey, hey, hey. I got... I got a phrase."

1:23:19 > 1:23:22If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

1:23:24 > 1:23:30The room then erupted. High-fiving. "Hey, hey, hey!"

1:23:30 > 1:23:33What everybody remembers about Johnnie Cochran's

1:23:33 > 1:23:36summation is, "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit,"

1:23:36 > 1:23:40which was cute and fine, but it wasn't the heart of the summation.

1:23:40 > 1:23:44The heart of the summation was, "Whose side are you on?"

1:23:44 > 1:23:47When you go back in the jury room,

1:23:47 > 1:23:51some of you may want to say that, "Well, gee, you know...

1:23:52 > 1:23:57"..boys will be boys, this is just like police talk,

1:23:57 > 1:23:59"this is the way they talk."

1:23:59 > 1:24:03That's not acceptable. That's the consciousness of this community.

1:24:03 > 1:24:08If you adopt that attitude, that's why we have this.

1:24:08 > 1:24:13There's no more powerful a narrative...

1:24:14 > 1:24:18..in American society than that of race.

1:24:18 > 1:24:22A racist is somebody who has power over you,

1:24:22 > 1:24:25who can do something to you.

1:24:25 > 1:24:28A police officer in the street, a patrol officer,

1:24:28 > 1:24:33is the single most powerful figure in the criminal justice system.

1:24:33 > 1:24:35He can take your life.

1:24:35 > 1:24:39And that's why, that's why this has to be rooted out.

1:24:39 > 1:24:42He was magical to watch in court.

1:24:42 > 1:24:44Just magical.

1:24:44 > 1:24:46Stop this cover up!

1:24:46 > 1:24:49Stop this cover up.

1:24:49 > 1:24:52If you don't stop it, then who?

1:24:52 > 1:24:54Do you think the police department's going to stop it?

1:24:54 > 1:24:56Do you think the DA's office is going to stop it?

1:24:56 > 1:24:59Do you think we can stop it by ourselves?

1:24:59 > 1:25:01It has to be stopped by you.

1:25:03 > 1:25:06It offended me because he was using a very serious,

1:25:06 > 1:25:10for-real issue, racial injustice, in defence

1:25:10 > 1:25:15of a man who wanted nothing to do with the black community.

1:25:15 > 1:25:17..Vannatter, with his big lies, and then we have

1:25:17 > 1:25:20Fuhrman come right on the heels, and these

1:25:20 > 1:25:24two twin devils of deception,

1:25:24 > 1:25:28it's part of a culture of getting away with things.

1:25:28 > 1:25:31It's part of a culture of looking the other way.

1:25:31 > 1:25:34"If we determine the rules as we go along,

1:25:34 > 1:25:36"nobody's going to question us.

1:25:36 > 1:25:38"We're the LAPD."

1:25:38 > 1:25:45He and that team were willing to go anywhere that they could

1:25:45 > 1:25:48to get the killer off.

1:25:48 > 1:25:52'It's just not honourable. It's not right.'

1:25:52 > 1:25:55Officer Fuhrman went on to say

1:25:55 > 1:25:57that he would like nothing more

1:25:57 > 1:26:04than to see all niggers gathered together and killed.

1:26:04 > 1:26:09He said something about burning them or bombing them.

1:26:09 > 1:26:16There was another man who had those same views.

1:26:16 > 1:26:18People didn't care.

1:26:18 > 1:26:22People said, "He's just crazy, he's just a half-baked painter."

1:26:24 > 1:26:26They didn't do anything about it.

1:26:26 > 1:26:30This man, this scourge became one of the worst

1:26:30 > 1:26:32people in the history of this world, Adolf Hitler.

1:26:34 > 1:26:39The word "Hitler" had not been in any of the prior drafts.

1:26:39 > 1:26:42People didn't care and didn't try to stop him.

1:26:42 > 1:26:46He had the power over his racism and his anti-religions.

1:26:46 > 1:26:52And nobody wanted to stop him, and it ended up in World War II.

1:26:52 > 1:26:56I found his closing arguments to be irresponsible.

1:26:56 > 1:26:58Thank you very, very much.

1:26:58 > 1:27:00I appreciate your attention.

1:27:02 > 1:27:05We have seen a man who perhaps is

1:27:05 > 1:27:09the worst kind of racist himself,

1:27:09 > 1:27:14someone who shoves racism in front of everything,

1:27:14 > 1:27:20someone who compares a person who speaks racist comments

1:27:20 > 1:27:22to Hitler!

1:27:23 > 1:27:26This man is a disgrace to human beings.

1:27:26 > 1:27:28- That's...- No.

1:27:31 > 1:27:33He is one of the most disgusting human beings

1:27:33 > 1:27:37I have ever had to listen to in my life.

1:27:39 > 1:27:45He suggests because of racism we should put aside all other thought,

1:27:45 > 1:27:50all other reason and set his murdering client free.

1:27:50 > 1:27:52He's a sick man

1:27:52 > 1:27:54and he ought to be put away.

1:28:02 > 1:28:04Johnnie pushed.

1:28:04 > 1:28:08I may have used a different analogy, but I can't criticise what he did.

1:28:08 > 1:28:11Did you go too far with the Hitler analogy?

1:28:11 > 1:28:13Some people are offended by that.

1:28:13 > 1:28:16Excuse us, excuse us. Excuse us.

1:28:16 > 1:28:17Could you answer it for us, Johnnie?

1:28:22 > 1:28:23Yes.

1:28:23 > 1:28:26The playing of the race card as he did,

1:28:26 > 1:28:31in all respects, insinuations that were made...

1:28:33 > 1:28:36..impacted how I felt about Johnnie.

1:28:36 > 1:28:38Do you owe an apology to Fred Goldman?

1:28:38 > 1:28:40He owes an apology to me.

1:28:42 > 1:28:45- CARL DOUGLAS:- I am so tired of the unfair...

1:28:45 > 1:28:49suggestion that Johnnie Cochran

1:28:49 > 1:28:51played the race card.

1:28:51 > 1:28:54We played the credibility card.

1:28:55 > 1:28:59We played the evidence card, man.

1:28:59 > 1:29:01You have to look at the evidence in a case.

1:29:01 > 1:29:04And who in America can deny the fact

1:29:04 > 1:29:06that Mark Fuhrman is a genocidal racist?

1:29:06 > 1:29:09He's their witness, he's in the middle of this case,

1:29:09 > 1:29:10so race has to be an issue.

1:29:10 > 1:29:18It would have been contrary to our oath as advocates to ignore race

1:29:18 > 1:29:21and to not exploit it, given the circumstances

1:29:21 > 1:29:27and the context of this case in this city and in this time.

1:29:27 > 1:29:32The attorneys are telling my brother's story.

1:29:32 > 1:29:35And it's very shocking that

1:29:35 > 1:29:38once Johnnie gets up and starts telling what

1:29:38 > 1:29:44we feel happens, that this has rocked somebody's world.

1:29:44 > 1:29:47I think it's time for everybody to wake up

1:29:47 > 1:29:51and realise that we are in a for-real world

1:29:51 > 1:29:55and we have dealt with racism all our lives.

1:29:55 > 1:29:57Every single day.

1:29:59 > 1:30:04It's hard, it's really hard. This guy's on trial for his life.

1:30:04 > 1:30:07Not one word that Johnnie Cochran said

1:30:07 > 1:30:12was objected to by the prosecution,

1:30:12 > 1:30:15unlawful under the rules of evidence.

1:30:15 > 1:30:17So, what's the problem?

1:30:17 > 1:30:21On the other hand, really?

1:30:21 > 1:30:24OJ Simpson as civil rights victim?

1:30:24 > 1:30:26Hero?

1:30:26 > 1:30:28It was disgusting. It was appalling.

1:30:28 > 1:30:30What was your feeling when Mr Cochran

1:30:30 > 1:30:33compared Mr Fuhrman to Adolf Hitler?

1:30:34 > 1:30:36Your personal feeling, sir?

1:30:36 > 1:30:38I'll address that after the jury verdict.

1:30:53 > 1:30:56TV PRESENTER: 'One month after the murders,

1:30:56 > 1:30:59'in July last year, 63% of whites thought Simpson was guilty,

1:30:59 > 1:31:03'65% of blacks thought he was innocent.

1:31:03 > 1:31:05'And now, more than a year later, with all of the evidence

1:31:05 > 1:31:08'having been laid out, 77% of whites think Simpson

1:31:08 > 1:31:13'is guilty and 72% of blacks believe he is innocent.

1:31:13 > 1:31:16'Blacks and whites are actually farther apart.'

1:31:20 > 1:31:22- TV PRESENTER:- 'It's not even the trial of the century any more.

1:31:22 > 1:31:25'Suddenly, the case of The People Versus OJ Simpson

1:31:25 > 1:31:29'has become the trial of Los Angeles.'