Part 5

0:00:02 > 0:00:05- CROWD MURMUR - All right, let's see what OJ can do.

0:00:11 > 0:00:13He's got it up, and he holds it good enough

0:00:13 > 0:00:15to get a call from the referee.

0:00:19 > 0:00:21OJ Simpson stands up

0:00:21 > 0:00:23and that one is hit hard to left.

0:00:23 > 0:00:25High enough, wind helps, and it's gone.

0:00:28 > 0:00:29Watch this.

0:00:29 > 0:00:31Tell me how many right-handers you've ever seen do this,

0:00:31 > 0:00:33pick off the five-ten.

0:00:33 > 0:00:36CHEERING

0:00:40 > 0:00:41The Juice is moving it out.

0:00:41 > 0:00:43He's got a good run going. Heading for the hurdle.

0:00:43 > 0:00:45This is going to be a good time for OJ Simpson.

0:00:55 > 0:01:03This programme contains very strong language and scenes which some viewers may find upsetting

0:01:20 > 0:01:23Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your patience.

0:01:23 > 0:01:26I have just a few final instructions that I need to give

0:01:26 > 0:01:29to you before you start your deliberations on this matter.

0:01:29 > 0:01:32You are reminded that you must not be influenced

0:01:32 > 0:01:35by mere sentiment, sympathy,

0:01:35 > 0:01:36passion, prejudice,

0:01:36 > 0:01:39public opinion or public feeling.

0:01:39 > 0:01:42Both the prosecution and the defendant have a right

0:01:42 > 0:01:46to expect that you will conscientiously consider and weigh

0:01:46 > 0:01:47all the evidence,

0:01:47 > 0:01:49apply the law as I have instructed you

0:01:49 > 0:01:53and reach a just verdict regardless of the consequences.

0:01:55 > 0:01:58There's a rough rule of thumb

0:01:58 > 0:02:00for jury deliberations.

0:02:00 > 0:02:05One day of deliberation for each week of trial.

0:02:05 > 0:02:08So, we all settle in and we think, "OK,

0:02:08 > 0:02:10"we're going to be here a while."

0:02:14 > 0:02:17All the lawyers on the case were going to do something

0:02:17 > 0:02:20that first day that the jury was out,

0:02:20 > 0:02:24because everyone knew we had at least one day.

0:02:28 > 0:02:30It was Johnnie's birthday.

0:02:30 > 0:02:34He and his wife had taken a one-day excursion

0:02:34 > 0:02:36up to the wine country...

0:02:39 > 0:02:44..and I called Johnnie from the courtroom.

0:02:44 > 0:02:47I said, "Jay, Jay, we got a verdict."

0:02:47 > 0:02:48He said, "What?!"

0:02:48 > 0:02:50"We got a verdict, man."

0:02:51 > 0:02:53We reached the verdict.

0:02:53 > 0:02:55We were happy about that.

0:02:55 > 0:02:57After more than eight months of testimony,

0:02:57 > 0:03:00more than 100 witnesses and more than 45,000 pages

0:03:00 > 0:03:02of court transcripts, the jurors,

0:03:02 > 0:03:05who'd been advised not to talk about the case

0:03:05 > 0:03:07since it began, came to their decision

0:03:07 > 0:03:09over the course of a morning's work.

0:03:10 > 0:03:12We had to go home.

0:03:14 > 0:03:16That's all I got to say.

0:03:16 > 0:03:19We'd been gone a year and we had to come home.

0:03:20 > 0:03:22Being held up for nine months,

0:03:22 > 0:03:23I wouldn't want that,

0:03:23 > 0:03:26but why don't we talk about a couple of things

0:03:26 > 0:03:28that may be on our mind?

0:03:28 > 0:03:29They did not deliberate.

0:03:31 > 0:03:34I truly was offended.

0:03:34 > 0:03:36267 days.

0:03:36 > 0:03:38- That's how long the trial lasted. - Mm-hm.

0:03:38 > 0:03:40- 1,105 pieces of evidence.- Mm-hm.

0:03:40 > 0:03:4545,000 pages of trial transcript from 133 witnesses.

0:03:45 > 0:03:48How the hell did you deliberate for three and a half hours?

0:03:48 > 0:03:49How many days was it again?

0:03:49 > 0:03:51267 days.

0:03:51 > 0:03:54266 nights.

0:03:58 > 0:04:02266 nights I went back to that room, alone.

0:04:03 > 0:04:04Wasn't able to talk to other jurors.

0:04:04 > 0:04:06Wasn't able to talk to family.

0:04:07 > 0:04:10Nobody but me and my thoughts.

0:04:12 > 0:04:15I waited till the end to come up with a decision,

0:04:15 > 0:04:17but each night that I went home

0:04:17 > 0:04:18after listening to testimony,

0:04:18 > 0:04:21I stored that.

0:04:21 > 0:04:24By the end of that trial, I knew where I was,

0:04:24 > 0:04:25and it was clear.

0:04:30 > 0:04:32OJ was extremely emotional.

0:04:34 > 0:04:37Puts his hand on the glass like you see on TV,

0:04:37 > 0:04:39and he said, "Look, guys,

0:04:39 > 0:04:40"if it's guilty,

0:04:40 > 0:04:43"I never want to see you guys again.

0:04:44 > 0:04:47"Don't come see me in prison,

0:04:47 > 0:04:49"because your lives are going to be changing,

0:04:49 > 0:04:51"and what am I going to say?

0:04:51 > 0:04:52"My life is the same as it was yesterday.

0:04:52 > 0:04:55"Same as it's going to be tomorrow.

0:04:55 > 0:04:57"Nothing will ever change.

0:04:57 > 0:04:59"So, I don't want to see you guys again, ever."

0:05:15 > 0:05:18We got there around 3:30 in the morning.

0:05:18 > 0:05:21By six o'clock, it was just very crowded.

0:05:21 > 0:05:23People everywhere,

0:05:23 > 0:05:25policemen everywhere.

0:05:28 > 0:05:31We were underneath the criminal courts building,

0:05:31 > 0:05:33in case there was trouble.

0:05:36 > 0:05:38They brought in police on horseback...

0:05:40 > 0:05:42..as if they were preparing for a riot.

0:05:51 > 0:05:55Why don't you get the fuck out of here, you fucking asshole?

0:05:55 > 0:05:57'I had reporters coming to my front door,

0:05:57 > 0:05:58'and I had really had it.'

0:05:58 > 0:06:00- Can I fucking hit him?- No.

0:06:02 > 0:06:04I think part of me knew which way that verdict was going.

0:06:06 > 0:06:09For a trial that seemed to go on forever, the fact

0:06:09 > 0:06:13that it will end has produced a national surge of adrenaline.

0:06:13 > 0:06:16Did you have a rather sleepless night last night, Mr Garcetti?

0:06:16 > 0:06:18Sleepless night? I had my usual four hours' sleep.

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0:06:26 > 0:06:29I have to fully admit, I thought he was guilty.

0:06:29 > 0:06:31I thought it was obvious he was guilty.

0:06:31 > 0:06:34So I thought the jury...agreed with me.

0:06:37 > 0:06:38And the record should reflect

0:06:38 > 0:06:40that we have now been rejoined by all the members

0:06:40 > 0:06:43of our jury panel and our alternates.

0:06:46 > 0:06:49All right, Mrs Robertson, do you have the envelope

0:06:49 > 0:06:51with the sealed verdict, please?

0:06:51 > 0:06:53- Yes, Your Honour.- All right, would you give those to Deputy Trower?

0:07:00 > 0:07:04The judge had admonished us not to say a word,

0:07:04 > 0:07:06not to make a sound,

0:07:06 > 0:07:09not to move, not to do anything

0:07:09 > 0:07:12but sit there and listen to the verdict.

0:07:14 > 0:07:17All right, Mr Simpson, would you please stand and face the jury?

0:07:24 > 0:07:27In the matter of The People of the State of California

0:07:27 > 0:07:29vs Orenthal James Simpson,

0:07:29 > 0:07:32case number BA097211,

0:07:32 > 0:07:34we, the jury in the above entitled action,

0:07:34 > 0:07:38find the defendant, Orenthal James Simpson, not guilty of the crime

0:07:38 > 0:07:42of murder in violation of penal code section 187a,

0:07:42 > 0:07:45a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson, a human being,

0:07:45 > 0:07:47as charged in count...

0:07:47 > 0:07:50It was almost like an out-of-body experience.

0:07:52 > 0:07:55I had a feeling of numbness.

0:07:57 > 0:08:00Did this really happen?

0:08:00 > 0:08:03They really did it. They acquitted him.

0:08:05 > 0:08:07They really did it. They walked him out the door.

0:08:07 > 0:08:11Johnnie is in back of OJ and Johnnie's saying,

0:08:11 > 0:08:14"Juice, you're going home," and he's putting his head against his back.

0:08:14 > 0:08:17"You're going home, Juice, you're going home!"

0:08:18 > 0:08:20It was fabulous.

0:08:23 > 0:08:26I actually thought I might pass out from shock.

0:08:26 > 0:08:28I was so astonished.

0:08:28 > 0:08:30Orenthal James Simpson,

0:08:30 > 0:08:31not guilty of the crime of murder

0:08:31 > 0:08:34upon Ronald Lyle Goldman.

0:08:35 > 0:08:37One of the young guys,

0:08:37 > 0:08:39either one of the Goldman families or the Brown family,

0:08:39 > 0:08:44he said, "Murderer, murderer."

0:08:46 > 0:08:49I was focused on Kim Goldman.

0:08:49 > 0:08:51..convicted of at least one crime of murder

0:08:51 > 0:08:54of the first degree and one or more crimes of murder

0:08:54 > 0:08:58of the first or second degree to be not true.

0:08:58 > 0:09:00It hurt me to know that I had to hurt somebody else

0:09:00 > 0:09:03like that, and I didn't want to.

0:09:03 > 0:09:05SOBBING

0:09:11 > 0:09:14My mom and dad, just stoic.

0:09:14 > 0:09:16I'm the more emotional one.

0:09:16 > 0:09:18There was this deputy there,

0:09:18 > 0:09:20and I was like, "Can I leave?"

0:09:20 > 0:09:22And she goes, "You can't leave."

0:09:25 > 0:09:28The other piece of this was that kind of moment

0:09:28 > 0:09:30of triumphant Simpson.

0:09:33 > 0:09:37I remember thinking that that gesture, that's a competitor.

0:09:37 > 0:09:38He had been through a big ordeal.

0:09:38 > 0:09:40He'd fought hard and he'd won.

0:09:42 > 0:09:45One of the jurors - I believe it was juror number six,

0:09:45 > 0:09:49a male black - stood in the jury box

0:09:49 > 0:09:52and raised his fist like this.

0:09:59 > 0:10:01What?

0:10:01 > 0:10:06This was a guy who presented as THE most mild-mannered,

0:10:06 > 0:10:08and then we find out, yeah, he was a member

0:10:08 > 0:10:11of the Black Panthers, years ago.

0:10:15 > 0:10:19Later, I was talking with the Deputy Sheriff.

0:10:19 > 0:10:23He had taken jurors to where they were released.

0:10:23 > 0:10:25So glad to be back. I feel free.

0:10:25 > 0:10:28He said, "All across this parking lot,

0:10:28 > 0:10:31"there was high fives and cheers and smiles."

0:10:31 > 0:10:34He said, "I heard it over and over.

0:10:34 > 0:10:36"That was payback for Rodney King."

0:10:40 > 0:10:43We, the jury, find the defendant not guilty

0:10:43 > 0:10:46of the crime of assault with a deadly weapon.

0:10:53 > 0:10:55Do you think that there were members

0:10:55 > 0:10:58of the jury that voted to acquit OJ

0:10:58 > 0:11:00because of Rodney King?

0:11:00 > 0:11:02- Yes.- You do?

0:11:02 > 0:11:03Yes.

0:11:03 > 0:11:05How many do you think felt that way?

0:11:05 > 0:11:08Oh, probably 90% of them.

0:11:10 > 0:11:1290%?

0:11:13 > 0:11:14Did you feel that way?

0:11:14 > 0:11:15Yes.

0:11:16 > 0:11:18That was payback?

0:11:18 > 0:11:19Uh-huh.

0:11:19 > 0:11:21You think that's right?

0:11:25 > 0:11:28The majority of the world, or the majority of Americans,

0:11:28 > 0:11:33think that we're a group of idiots who didn't get it right.

0:11:33 > 0:11:35I think that the jury was made to be the scapegoat

0:11:35 > 0:11:37for their faults.

0:11:38 > 0:11:42It was a mistake to present Fuhrman the way they did.

0:11:42 > 0:11:44It was a mistake to let Darden get up there

0:11:44 > 0:11:46and be a part of that case.

0:11:46 > 0:11:47Had they come correct,

0:11:47 > 0:11:50had they had the right attorneys up there

0:11:50 > 0:11:52putting on the case that they need to put on,

0:11:52 > 0:11:54they would've won.

0:11:54 > 0:11:57It wasn't payback.

0:11:57 > 0:11:59THEY messed up.

0:12:01 > 0:12:03It may have been payback,

0:12:03 > 0:12:08but it wasn't payback for anything that happened recently.

0:12:08 > 0:12:11It was payback for what's happened over the last 400 years.

0:12:14 > 0:12:18It was payback for how black people are treated in America.

0:12:30 > 0:12:34I believe that that was on the minds of

0:12:34 > 0:12:37every black person in America.

0:12:37 > 0:12:39In the matter of the People of the State

0:12:39 > 0:12:41of California vs Orenthal James Simpson,

0:12:41 > 0:12:44case number BA097211...

0:12:58 > 0:13:00We, the jury in the above entitled action,

0:13:00 > 0:13:05find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson not guilty.

0:13:05 > 0:13:08CHEERING

0:13:25 > 0:13:26There was joy.

0:13:27 > 0:13:30You could hear it in the barbershop

0:13:30 > 0:13:34or the beauty salon or in the classroom at the school,

0:13:34 > 0:13:36on the streets.

0:13:38 > 0:13:43A release of breath, exhaling.

0:13:44 > 0:13:46The Juice is loose!

0:13:46 > 0:13:49He's loose! He's loose!

0:13:49 > 0:13:51Free at last, free at last.

0:13:51 > 0:13:54Thank God almighty, I'm free at last.

0:13:59 > 0:14:03It was like that day Jackie Robinson

0:14:03 > 0:14:06opened the door for black players.

0:14:10 > 0:14:15This trial tapped into the racial history of Los Angeles.

0:14:15 > 0:14:18I didn't realise how much it tapped

0:14:18 > 0:14:23into the NATIONAL pain of race relations.

0:14:23 > 0:14:24..Orenthal James...

0:14:24 > 0:14:25Orenthal James Simpson...

0:14:25 > 0:14:27Orenthal James Simpson not guilty...

0:14:29 > 0:14:32It was all so much bigger than we were.

0:14:32 > 0:14:34So much bigger.

0:14:49 > 0:14:52I think the black jubilation

0:14:52 > 0:14:56was very offensive and very hurtful.

0:14:58 > 0:15:01Who laughing now? You know who did it?

0:15:01 > 0:15:05My family did it, the races of America.

0:15:05 > 0:15:08Those films of African-Americans cheering

0:15:08 > 0:15:09and whites crying,

0:15:09 > 0:15:15it put a huge red line across society.

0:15:19 > 0:15:21Certainly, the resentment that African-Americans

0:15:21 > 0:15:23have toward whites...

0:15:25 > 0:15:27..was shocking.

0:15:27 > 0:15:29It was absolutely shocking.

0:15:32 > 0:15:34Now you know how it feels.

0:15:36 > 0:15:39We are flush with illustrations

0:15:39 > 0:15:42where we have been the victims

0:15:42 > 0:15:46of what you consider to be racial thinking.

0:15:47 > 0:15:51And that's why your moment of joy...

0:15:52 > 0:15:54..may only be a moment.

0:15:54 > 0:15:57That's why you seize your moment of joy,

0:15:57 > 0:16:00because tomorrow - sorrow.

0:16:05 > 0:16:10To actually have a black man found not guilty,

0:16:10 > 0:16:12when every other black man who's ever been

0:16:12 > 0:16:14blamed for anything like that

0:16:14 > 0:16:17or anything NEAR something like that, has been killed,

0:16:17 > 0:16:19this is indicative of progress,

0:16:19 > 0:16:21regardless of what you think about him.

0:16:21 > 0:16:24It was like, "Wow, things have changed,

0:16:24 > 0:16:25"somewhat."

0:16:27 > 0:16:30I just really hoped that,

0:16:30 > 0:16:33probably in a terribly Pollyanna-ish way,

0:16:33 > 0:16:36I really hoped we had come some distance.

0:16:37 > 0:16:42My white neighbours, people I'd grown up with all my life,

0:16:42 > 0:16:44the person I talked to every single day,

0:16:44 > 0:16:48just stopped speaking to me because of this trial.

0:16:48 > 0:16:49I received hate mail.

0:16:49 > 0:16:51They would send the hate mail to the court,

0:16:51 > 0:16:54the court would forward it to me.

0:16:55 > 0:16:57I got a lot of personal blame,

0:16:57 > 0:16:58a lot of personal threats.

0:16:58 > 0:17:03In essence, you know, "You deserve to die."

0:17:04 > 0:17:06What sort of personal toll

0:17:06 > 0:17:09did this take on the prosecutors who tried the case?

0:17:11 > 0:17:14I shake my head because I haven't been able

0:17:14 > 0:17:15to weigh it entirely,

0:17:15 > 0:17:17but the toll is immense.

0:17:21 > 0:17:24If there was anything that ever motivated me

0:17:24 > 0:17:27throughout the trial, it was the idea,

0:17:27 > 0:17:31the notion, that one day I'd have to turn to the Goldmans...

0:17:36 > 0:17:40..with the realisation that he had been acquitted.

0:17:40 > 0:17:43I am honoured to have...

0:17:53 > 0:17:55Chris was in bad shape.

0:17:55 > 0:17:57He was really devastated.

0:17:58 > 0:18:01A verdict of guilty would have been redeeming for him

0:18:01 > 0:18:03in the black community.

0:18:04 > 0:18:09You can feel this sense of brokenness within him,

0:18:09 > 0:18:12because he gave everything that he had.

0:18:13 > 0:18:17My guess is that if Chris were given the opportunity again

0:18:17 > 0:18:19to say yes or no on this case,

0:18:19 > 0:18:21he wouldn't have taken it.

0:18:21 > 0:18:23He's paid one huge price.

0:18:24 > 0:18:27This has been a hard-fought battle,

0:18:27 > 0:18:31but I want to make it as clear as I can that this trial is over.

0:18:31 > 0:18:35No-one in our community believes in murder,

0:18:35 > 0:18:36and our hearts have gone out

0:18:36 > 0:18:38to these two families from the very beginning.

0:18:40 > 0:18:42A statement from our father.

0:18:42 > 0:18:45I'm relieved that this part of the incredible nightmare

0:18:45 > 0:18:48that occurred on June 12th, 1994, is over.

0:18:53 > 0:18:56I will pursue, as my primary goal in life,

0:18:56 > 0:18:59the killer or killers who slaughtered Nicole

0:18:59 > 0:19:01and Mr Goldman.

0:19:01 > 0:19:04Whatever it takes, I'll provide.

0:19:05 > 0:19:07They are out there somewhere.

0:19:20 > 0:19:22The children.

0:19:22 > 0:19:23You did tell them?

0:19:25 > 0:19:26Yes, we told them.

0:19:26 > 0:19:29Told them Daddy's free.

0:19:29 > 0:19:31Did they say anything to you?

0:19:31 > 0:19:33They were happy.

0:19:39 > 0:19:40They love Daddy.

0:19:42 > 0:19:45We have never said anything negative about Daddy.

0:19:52 > 0:19:55People were on fire, excited about...

0:19:55 > 0:19:59finally, the criminal-justice system worked in favour

0:19:59 > 0:20:01of an African-American male.

0:20:09 > 0:20:12But everything is not about race.

0:20:12 > 0:20:15Everything is not about how we were treated

0:20:15 > 0:20:16historically in this country.

0:20:19 > 0:20:21I didn't see it as an example

0:20:21 > 0:20:24of African-Americans being free

0:20:24 > 0:20:26or we beating the criminal-justice system.

0:20:26 > 0:20:28Not for African-Americans.

0:20:30 > 0:20:34It was a victory for a rich guy named OJ Simpson,

0:20:34 > 0:20:36and I was troubled by it.

0:20:37 > 0:20:40- RADIO:- 'Now, go back in, go back in.'

0:20:41 > 0:20:43Did he give you any indication

0:20:43 > 0:20:46when he would want the children, or what would happen?

0:20:48 > 0:20:51I think he is reasonable enough to know

0:20:51 > 0:20:53that the children have a good life here.

0:20:53 > 0:20:56That they find strength and love in this house.

0:20:58 > 0:21:00'They switched over.'

0:21:01 > 0:21:03I don't think that he knows, really,

0:21:03 > 0:21:04what he wants, right now.

0:21:04 > 0:21:06'There they are, right there.

0:21:06 > 0:21:07'Bryce, go in tight.'

0:21:19 > 0:21:22'I can tell you right now he ain't coming out any time soon.

0:21:22 > 0:21:24'OK, we're going to get up, we're going to pull up high.

0:21:24 > 0:21:26'Get out of all this bullshit.'

0:21:36 > 0:21:38Yes!

0:21:38 > 0:21:40Take off your jacket.

0:21:42 > 0:21:45TV NEWS REPORT PLAYS

0:21:46 > 0:21:48You're home!

0:21:50 > 0:21:54What has the atmosphere been like at Mr Simpson's house today?

0:21:54 > 0:21:56Who is with him? What are they all doing?

0:21:56 > 0:22:00It's, as you can imagine, a very, very touching time.

0:22:00 > 0:22:04A very cheerful time for a man who's spent 15 months

0:22:04 > 0:22:08in prison and was found innocent.

0:22:08 > 0:22:11- TV:- '..now to the criminal courts building for the prosecution,

0:22:11 > 0:22:13'whose conference is about to begin.'

0:22:13 > 0:22:16I want to hear this like a hole in the head.

0:22:16 > 0:22:19Don't even listen to it.

0:22:20 > 0:22:22How do you turn this up?

0:22:25 > 0:22:28- I'm going to bounce, you guys.- Yeah.

0:22:36 > 0:22:39Yeah, this is the one case, you got the wrong guy

0:22:39 > 0:22:42like all those other cases you led who didn't get away.

0:22:46 > 0:22:48He invited the lawyers to come by for a drink

0:22:48 > 0:22:50and I was the first one there.

0:22:52 > 0:22:54And he was up in the bedroom.

0:22:56 > 0:22:58He said, "I wonder where Bob Shapiro is."

0:22:58 > 0:23:00I said, "Look up above you.

0:23:00 > 0:23:01"He's on television.

0:23:01 > 0:23:03"Barbara Waw-ah."

0:23:03 > 0:23:06Mr Shapiro, you said in the beginning that race

0:23:06 > 0:23:08would not be a determining part of this case,

0:23:08 > 0:23:11that you would not play the race card.

0:23:11 > 0:23:14The race card was surely played.

0:23:14 > 0:23:16Barbara, my position was always the same.

0:23:16 > 0:23:21That race would not and should not be a part of this case.

0:23:21 > 0:23:22I was wrong.

0:23:22 > 0:23:25Not only did we play the race card,

0:23:25 > 0:23:27we dealt it from the bottom of the deck.

0:23:29 > 0:23:34The hypocrisy of his suggesting that the decision

0:23:34 > 0:23:38to use race was a bad one,

0:23:38 > 0:23:42when it was the card that he stacked the deck with.

0:23:42 > 0:23:45From the very beginning, it was his theory.

0:23:45 > 0:23:50Would you work again on a case with Johnnie Cochran?

0:23:50 > 0:23:53- No.- Would you work on a case again with F Lee Bailey?

0:23:53 > 0:23:55I will not talk to F Lee Bailey again.

0:23:55 > 0:23:57Thank you, Mr Shapiro.

0:23:59 > 0:24:00Everybody say "hogwash", c'mon.

0:24:00 > 0:24:02ALL: Hogwash!

0:24:02 > 0:24:04Come on, talk to each other a little bit,

0:24:04 > 0:24:05come on, talk to each other.

0:24:05 > 0:24:09Not so fast. OK.

0:24:09 > 0:24:11Wow! Where'd we go that night?

0:24:11 > 0:24:13Probably home and cried.

0:24:18 > 0:24:20Probably home and cried.

0:24:21 > 0:24:23And probably said 100 times,

0:24:23 > 0:24:25"How did he get away with it?"

0:24:27 > 0:24:28You don't ever get over it.

0:24:30 > 0:24:32You don't ever get over it.

0:24:36 > 0:24:38It doesn't go away that he can't live his dreams.

0:24:43 > 0:24:44It's always still there...

0:24:46 > 0:24:48..close to the surface.

0:24:48 > 0:24:50It's always still there.

0:25:00 > 0:25:04We actually believed that if he's found not guilty,

0:25:04 > 0:25:07we all go back to our lives and just move on.

0:25:08 > 0:25:10He thought he'd walk right back into it.

0:25:14 > 0:25:17His viewpoint, "I'm back and I'm going to be playing

0:25:17 > 0:25:20"golf every day and I'm going to be OJ and everything's fine."

0:25:20 > 0:25:23I think he felt he could con the rest

0:25:23 > 0:25:26of the world into believing that.

0:25:26 > 0:25:30Here we have the top-ten ways he's searching for the real killers.

0:25:30 > 0:25:31Number nine...

0:25:33 > 0:25:35Yeah,

0:25:35 > 0:25:37excellent piece of detective work.

0:25:37 > 0:25:40I think the vast majority of the people in Brentwood

0:25:40 > 0:25:42thought he was guilty,

0:25:42 > 0:25:45and it became very uncomfortable for him to be here.

0:25:49 > 0:25:51I saw him filling up his car one day,

0:25:51 > 0:25:55and people, literally, were giving him the finger

0:25:55 > 0:25:59and screaming insults. He filled up his car

0:25:59 > 0:26:03and pretended he didn't hear anything and moved on.

0:26:04 > 0:26:06I was walking the dog, and that feeling you get

0:26:06 > 0:26:08where the hair stands up on the back of your neck

0:26:08 > 0:26:10where you know someone's watching you,

0:26:10 > 0:26:13and OJ's leaning out of the Rolls-Royce,

0:26:13 > 0:26:15and I remember saying,

0:26:15 > 0:26:17"Oh, shit."

0:26:17 > 0:26:19I walk over to him and he gets out,

0:26:19 > 0:26:21and we hug and we kiss.

0:26:21 > 0:26:23He turned to me and said, "Why don't you come see me?

0:26:23 > 0:26:26"Not too many people come to see me."

0:26:26 > 0:26:28I said, "Sure, of course I will."

0:26:28 > 0:26:30There was that hug goodbye,

0:26:30 > 0:26:32and "of course I'm going to see you",

0:26:32 > 0:26:34where he knew I was never going to see him,

0:26:34 > 0:26:36and I knew I was never going to see him.

0:26:37 > 0:26:39You had a pretty close relationship -

0:26:39 > 0:26:41is that true?

0:26:44 > 0:26:46We had the type of relationship

0:26:46 > 0:26:49that we'd see each other a couple times a year.

0:26:49 > 0:26:53But I wasn't one of his best friends.

0:26:55 > 0:26:57All the black people in my life used to tell me, "Man,

0:26:57 > 0:26:59"white America will turn on you,

0:26:59 > 0:27:04"and they will zip up your nigger suit on you so fast

0:27:04 > 0:27:07"and they will forget about you like that."

0:27:07 > 0:27:10Why don't you sell the Brentwood estate,

0:27:10 > 0:27:11go away for a little while?

0:27:11 > 0:27:14Go where? What, do they want me to go to Africa?

0:27:14 > 0:27:16Is that what some of those people would want?

0:27:16 > 0:27:18Go where? I live in LA.

0:27:18 > 0:27:19I see people... I haven't seen 'em.

0:27:19 > 0:27:23I hear there are people in Brentwood that don't want me in Brentwood.

0:27:23 > 0:27:24Maybe they are, but I would say this.

0:27:24 > 0:27:27I think I've probably lived in Brentwood longer

0:27:27 > 0:27:29than 90% of 'em. They're squatters.

0:27:29 > 0:27:32If they don't want me in Brentwood, THEY should leave.

0:27:32 > 0:27:34What do you say to criticism about

0:27:34 > 0:27:36- missing your daughter's birthday? - Hey, OJ!

0:27:38 > 0:27:40Esquire had chosen me

0:27:40 > 0:27:42to do a story about OJ Simpson.

0:27:45 > 0:27:49I was interested in OJ as a pariah.

0:27:49 > 0:27:52Don't play with OJ!

0:27:52 > 0:27:55Go away, OJ, go away!

0:27:55 > 0:27:58I wanted to try to find out how or whether he could uphold

0:27:58 > 0:28:04the OJ persona in the face of public wrath and hatred.

0:28:04 > 0:28:07Guilty! Guilty!

0:28:07 > 0:28:08I don't think there's anybody out there

0:28:08 > 0:28:10that won't say that wherever they met me,

0:28:10 > 0:28:13all over this country for the last 30 years,

0:28:13 > 0:28:17I took time, I treated you the way I wanted to be treated.

0:28:17 > 0:28:20He's a wife-beater! Go home!

0:28:20 > 0:28:23I don't think there's anybody out there that ever met me anywhere -

0:28:23 > 0:28:25in airports, in ballparks, on the street -

0:28:25 > 0:28:27that I wasn't kind to you,

0:28:27 > 0:28:32I didn't treat you the way I thought you wanted to be treated.

0:28:32 > 0:28:34Anybody who's ever written me, I wrote 'em back.

0:28:34 > 0:28:37Charities that ever called me, I always sent them something,

0:28:37 > 0:28:38at my cost.

0:28:38 > 0:28:41I only ask you to give me that courtesy,

0:28:41 > 0:28:45to treat me the way I treated you.

0:28:45 > 0:28:47You ugly murderer!

0:28:47 > 0:28:49You ugly-ass murderer!

0:28:49 > 0:28:53I felt sorry for him, I did.

0:28:53 > 0:28:56I just couldn't bring myself to feel

0:28:56 > 0:28:58that he was...

0:29:00 > 0:29:03..bad in the pure sense of the word.

0:29:03 > 0:29:05I kept feeling like he was a victim.

0:29:05 > 0:29:09That's all I want to do. Provide for my family, my kids,

0:29:09 > 0:29:11and give me the opportunity and a fair shake.

0:29:11 > 0:29:13Fuck you, OJ!

0:29:15 > 0:29:17But I swear to you, before my God,

0:29:17 > 0:29:21I did not commit these crimes.

0:29:21 > 0:29:24Thank you for taking the time to listen to me.

0:29:24 > 0:29:27The easy answer is to say that people were indignant

0:29:27 > 0:29:29that OJ got away with murder,

0:29:29 > 0:29:32but the level, the scope of the reaction,

0:29:32 > 0:29:35my sense was that there was a lot of racism in it.

0:29:35 > 0:29:37This way, please, OJ.

0:29:39 > 0:29:41He wanted the love back.

0:29:41 > 0:29:43He wanted to be loved again.

0:29:43 > 0:29:46# O-O-O...

0:29:46 > 0:29:47# J! #

0:29:49 > 0:29:51- He is our brother. - AUDIENCE:- Yes!

0:29:51 > 0:29:53C'mon, you can clap on that.

0:29:55 > 0:29:58We have never believed that he was guilty.

0:29:58 > 0:29:59- AUDIENCE:- Yes!

0:30:01 > 0:30:04He wanted acceptance from the community.

0:30:04 > 0:30:07He knew that he was ostracized

0:30:07 > 0:30:08by a whole number of people.

0:30:08 > 0:30:10- Don't take a step back.- Right!

0:30:10 > 0:30:13You just get with God and you get ready for your comeback.

0:30:13 > 0:30:14So, when you're...

0:30:14 > 0:30:19I think he felt a sense of deliverance,

0:30:19 > 0:30:21and maybe he felt that God delivered him.

0:30:21 > 0:30:24I'm not trying to restore any image.

0:30:24 > 0:30:27I'm not trying to get back with God what I've lost.

0:30:27 > 0:30:29I'm trying to do one thing.

0:30:29 > 0:30:31I'm trying to go to Heaven.

0:30:31 > 0:30:32APPLAUSE

0:30:32 > 0:30:34But I got criticised.

0:30:36 > 0:30:39"How can you accept someone who is a murderer?"

0:30:39 > 0:30:42Well, the court didn't say he was a murderer.

0:30:42 > 0:30:44Court said he was innocent,

0:30:44 > 0:30:48and Jesus accepted all people.

0:30:48 > 0:30:50CHEERING

0:30:53 > 0:30:55- CROWD CHANTS:- OJ! OJ!

0:30:59 > 0:31:01This is like a dream come true for me,

0:31:01 > 0:31:04to meet Mr OJ Simpson.

0:31:04 > 0:31:06Hug me, darling! I love you!

0:31:06 > 0:31:08CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:31:08 > 0:31:10Let me put it on, man.

0:31:13 > 0:31:16He said he was trying to thank the people that stuck by him,

0:31:16 > 0:31:19but that wasn't OJ. I mean,

0:31:19 > 0:31:20to me, it didn't ring true.

0:31:20 > 0:31:23Listen, this thing ain't close to fitting me!

0:31:26 > 0:31:27We'd go to Roscoe's, too.

0:31:27 > 0:31:30Go down and eat chicken and waffles.

0:31:30 > 0:31:33And I remember telling him, "When in the hell

0:31:33 > 0:31:36"did you ever eat chicken and waffles before?"

0:31:36 > 0:31:39But that's where black America went.

0:31:39 > 0:31:42And you would hear people, "Oh, so now you're black.

0:31:42 > 0:31:44"Now you're black."

0:31:45 > 0:31:47C'mon up here, African.

0:31:47 > 0:31:49We appreciate you coming out tonight.

0:31:57 > 0:31:59I grew up in the projects, you know.

0:31:59 > 0:32:01No-one has to tell me, "You act black."

0:32:01 > 0:32:03I grew up in the projects, I know about being black.

0:32:03 > 0:32:05I AM black.

0:32:05 > 0:32:08But once I started getting over at the end of the '60s,

0:32:08 > 0:32:10what I'd done is something that's happening

0:32:10 > 0:32:12with a lot of black men in America.

0:32:13 > 0:32:18You find yourself protecting your place in society.

0:32:20 > 0:32:23You tend to think that you're immune to something.

0:32:23 > 0:32:26You know what's happening out there is still happening,

0:32:26 > 0:32:27but you're hoping to change

0:32:27 > 0:32:30and you're fool... You're really fooling yourself.

0:32:32 > 0:32:34But at this point, I'm in the community,

0:32:34 > 0:32:37I'm trying to hang around people that I think

0:32:37 > 0:32:39can better educate me.

0:32:39 > 0:32:41I think I have a unique opportunity here.

0:32:41 > 0:32:43I'd like to be able to take advantage of it,

0:32:43 > 0:32:46and I'd like to not...

0:32:46 > 0:32:49possibly once again let you down.

0:32:49 > 0:32:50- Thank you.- Oh, thank you!

0:32:55 > 0:32:59I was at home in New York. The phone rang.

0:33:00 > 0:33:03And a voice said, "Hey, it's OJ.

0:33:03 > 0:33:05"I'm not done talking to you.

0:33:05 > 0:33:10"I don't know why, but I talk to you like you're my shrink or something."

0:33:10 > 0:33:15He said to me, "Let's say I committed this crime.

0:33:15 > 0:33:17"If I killed her, it had to have been

0:33:17 > 0:33:19"because I loved her very much, right?"

0:33:22 > 0:33:25Every time he spoke about Nicole,

0:33:25 > 0:33:28it was this mix of affection...

0:33:29 > 0:33:31..irritation,

0:33:31 > 0:33:34indignation and kind of wanting to prove to the person

0:33:34 > 0:33:37he's speaking to...

0:33:38 > 0:33:40..that she was impossible.

0:33:43 > 0:33:45He's not wired like everybody else.

0:33:46 > 0:33:51He never wept for Nicole - or the kids.

0:33:52 > 0:33:55Like, "My kids are going to have to grow up without their mom."

0:33:56 > 0:33:58The Browns had Sydney and Justin.

0:33:58 > 0:34:00We'd have to transfer the kids,

0:34:00 > 0:34:03so they can go and spend the weekend with their dad,

0:34:03 > 0:34:06and it's their dad and I'm respecting that.

0:34:08 > 0:34:10Before, we were talking about a conversation

0:34:10 > 0:34:13you had with Judy in the last month or so,

0:34:13 > 0:34:14down in Laguna.

0:34:16 > 0:34:18OJ told the psychologist that Justin

0:34:18 > 0:34:19had been calling him,

0:34:19 > 0:34:22for him to come down to watch him play basketball.

0:34:22 > 0:34:26And the psychologist said, "Well, if that's the case, you should go."

0:34:28 > 0:34:31I did not know until after all this happened

0:34:31 > 0:34:34that the Browns didn't know that OJ was coming down.

0:34:38 > 0:34:42We walked into the gym and we watched Justin warm up.

0:34:42 > 0:34:46Judy walks in, she sits behind me,

0:34:46 > 0:34:48and she says, "I want to talk to you."

0:34:48 > 0:34:50And I think she referred to me as a coward or gutless

0:34:50 > 0:34:52or something like that.

0:34:52 > 0:34:55And she said something about, uh...

0:34:55 > 0:34:58OJ controlling me.

0:34:58 > 0:34:59Then Lou walked up.

0:35:01 > 0:35:06He started in on me, about, uh, "Nobody wants him down here."

0:35:06 > 0:35:09He said something about a scene. I said, "There's no scene here."

0:35:09 > 0:35:12I said, "If anybody's making a scene here, it's Judy.

0:35:12 > 0:35:14"OJ hasn't done anything."

0:35:26 > 0:35:29The kids were taken away from my mom on Christmas Eve.

0:35:29 > 0:35:31That was devastating.

0:35:33 > 0:35:35Sydney would say, "I want to go..."

0:35:35 > 0:35:37uh, to her grandparents,

0:35:37 > 0:35:40and he said, "They don't want you. They want you for the money.

0:35:40 > 0:35:43"They want you for the child support. That's why they want you."

0:35:45 > 0:35:46It was strained.

0:35:50 > 0:35:53One night, I went to Rockingham.

0:35:55 > 0:35:59And we're drinking Rolling Rock beer outside...

0:36:00 > 0:36:03..and he was smoking pot.

0:36:05 > 0:36:09He was looking around the backyard,

0:36:09 > 0:36:13reliving all the different events that had happened there.

0:36:17 > 0:36:21And I just asked him, "What happened June 12th?"

0:36:24 > 0:36:27And he asked me what I thought happened.

0:36:29 > 0:36:35I said, "I have always thought you probably did it."

0:36:35 > 0:36:37I said, "I know what you told AC.

0:36:37 > 0:36:38"You know, that you went there,

0:36:38 > 0:36:42"but you just went to see what was going on,

0:36:42 > 0:36:43"but you didn't take a knife."

0:36:47 > 0:36:50He shook his head...

0:36:50 > 0:36:51and he said, "Yeah."

0:36:51 > 0:36:54And he said that if she wouldn't have opened the door

0:36:54 > 0:36:55with a knife, she'd still be alive.

0:37:03 > 0:37:06I believed that for the longest time.

0:37:07 > 0:37:09And then I...

0:37:10 > 0:37:12He went there to kill her.

0:37:15 > 0:37:19He went there to kill her because of how she made him feel.

0:37:20 > 0:37:23Being rejected, that she didn't need him.

0:37:23 > 0:37:25And then, of course, the Marcus factor.

0:37:27 > 0:37:28I'm better than you.

0:37:28 > 0:37:30He was seeing

0:37:30 > 0:37:32Marcus was him,

0:37:32 > 0:37:35you know, 15 years younger.

0:37:45 > 0:37:47And I guess the part that bothers me about it...

0:37:49 > 0:37:51..is he left...

0:37:53 > 0:37:54..the kids upstairs...

0:37:56 > 0:37:57..to walk out.

0:37:57 > 0:38:00They could've walked out and found their mom like that.

0:38:04 > 0:38:08I die tomorrow, I would know without a doubt that he did it.

0:38:09 > 0:38:13Not even a slight maybe that he didn't.

0:38:16 > 0:38:19We had a year to file the civil suit.

0:38:19 > 0:38:23We wanted a court of law to say, "You did it."

0:38:25 > 0:38:28OJ Simpson is back in the news this morning.

0:38:28 > 0:38:30He wanted his deposition in the wrongful death lawsuits

0:38:30 > 0:38:33kept secret, but a judge in Santa Monica

0:38:33 > 0:38:36ruled Wednesday that his testimony will not be sealed.

0:38:36 > 0:38:40The judge also ruled it will be videotaped.

0:38:47 > 0:38:50Present is plaintiff Frederick Goldman.

0:38:50 > 0:38:53- Swear the witness.- Would you raise your right hand, please?

0:38:53 > 0:38:56'I wanted to be in the room when the deposition'

0:38:56 > 0:38:58was being taken.

0:38:58 > 0:38:59- ..so help you God?- I do.

0:38:59 > 0:39:03To be able to say, "We're after you."

0:39:03 > 0:39:05Do you recall an incident when you chased her?

0:39:05 > 0:39:07- No.- Grabbed her?

0:39:07 > 0:39:10- No.- Threw her into the walls?

0:39:10 > 0:39:14- No.- Threw all of her clothes out the window into the street?

0:39:14 > 0:39:16- No.- And bruised her?- No.

0:39:16 > 0:39:18- You don't recall any of that?- No.

0:39:18 > 0:39:23Listening to him was everything from disgust

0:39:23 > 0:39:25to astonishment.

0:39:25 > 0:39:26HE MOUTHS

0:39:26 > 0:39:28- Excuse me?- I said, "Don't answer."

0:39:28 > 0:39:31- He whispered something, Mr Baker.- No, I did not.

0:39:31 > 0:39:33- I didn't, uh... - You mouthed something.

0:39:33 > 0:39:36I think I'm allowed to mouth something to myself, aren't I?

0:39:36 > 0:39:37What did you mouth?

0:39:37 > 0:39:39He was cocky.

0:39:39 > 0:39:43He was never forthcoming with anything.

0:39:45 > 0:39:46We are back on the record now.

0:39:46 > 0:39:48He'd be smiling,

0:39:48 > 0:39:50like the whole thing was a joke.

0:39:50 > 0:39:52What's that paper there for?

0:39:52 > 0:39:55Well, I... I designed a golf hole that he's going to play,

0:39:55 > 0:39:58a course he's going to play, and I was just telling him about a hole

0:39:58 > 0:40:00that's on that golf course.

0:40:00 > 0:40:02And that's how seriously he was taking it.

0:40:02 > 0:40:06Did you ever buy shoes that you knew were Bruno Magli shoes?

0:40:06 > 0:40:08No.

0:40:08 > 0:40:10How do you know that?

0:40:10 > 0:40:14Cos I know if Bruno Magli makes shoes that look like the shoes

0:40:14 > 0:40:16they had in court that's involved in this case,

0:40:16 > 0:40:18I would have never worn those ugly-ass shoes.

0:40:18 > 0:40:21He'd lied about everything.

0:40:21 > 0:40:23There's not an honest bone in his body.

0:40:23 > 0:40:24You were sort of obsessed

0:40:24 > 0:40:27with her having that relationship with Keith, right?

0:40:27 > 0:40:29No.

0:40:29 > 0:40:32- Didn't bother you at all? - Her with Keith, with Marcus,

0:40:32 > 0:40:33with any of 'em, didn't bother me at all.

0:40:33 > 0:40:35- Not at all?- No.

0:40:35 > 0:40:41He's lived a life of fraud and being a fake

0:40:41 > 0:40:43for God knows how many decades,

0:40:43 > 0:40:47to a point where I think he just believes his own bull.

0:40:47 > 0:40:49I gotta take a leak.

0:40:54 > 0:40:57Mr Cowlings, I'm going to ask you to look at...

0:40:59 > 0:41:00..this picture.

0:41:00 > 0:41:03It's been previously marked as exhibit number 45.

0:41:06 > 0:41:10Ask if you recognise that picture.

0:41:12 > 0:41:1345.

0:41:15 > 0:41:18- Yes. - And who do you recognise that to be?

0:41:22 > 0:41:24Nicole.

0:41:25 > 0:41:28And does that appear to be the way

0:41:28 > 0:41:30that Nicole looked when you went over there

0:41:30 > 0:41:32that early morning time...

0:41:32 > 0:41:34Hey, man, you give me a break.

0:41:39 > 0:41:41The OJ Simpson civil case gets under way today.

0:41:41 > 0:41:44The families of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman are suing him.

0:41:44 > 0:41:49This time, the judge is keeping cameras out of the courtroom.

0:41:49 > 0:41:53I truly, truly, truly wish it had been televised.

0:41:54 > 0:41:57It was a totally different dynamic.

0:41:57 > 0:42:00No longer the killer and his attorneys

0:42:00 > 0:42:02in charge of the courtroom.

0:42:02 > 0:42:06It was the system at work.

0:42:06 > 0:42:09Meanwhile, the jury's going to look very different in this case.

0:42:09 > 0:42:11You're coming out of a different area. You're coming out of

0:42:11 > 0:42:14the Santa Monica area, instead of downtown Los Angeles,

0:42:14 > 0:42:18and, obviously, the make-up of your jury pool is going to be different.

0:42:21 > 0:42:25Basically, they just repeated the case that we presented,

0:42:25 > 0:42:28but they had Simpson.

0:42:28 > 0:42:30They could call him to the witness stand

0:42:30 > 0:42:32and cross-examine him.

0:42:32 > 0:42:36One of the things that came up was if he owned the shoes.

0:42:36 > 0:42:40Bruno Maglis. Because the footprints of those shoes

0:42:40 > 0:42:42were at the crime scene.

0:42:42 > 0:42:45- You thought those were ugly-ass shoes.- Yes.

0:42:45 > 0:42:47Really?

0:42:47 > 0:42:49Wrong, liar.

0:42:49 > 0:42:52Not only did we see photographs of him wearing

0:42:52 > 0:42:54the ugly-ass shoes,

0:42:54 > 0:42:57we were then able to compare it to the footprints

0:42:57 > 0:42:58at the crime scene.

0:42:58 > 0:43:02And we're right back to...done.

0:43:03 > 0:43:05Rare shoes.

0:43:05 > 0:43:07Only 299 pairs sold in this country.

0:43:07 > 0:43:10OJ Simpson said that he'd never own the shoes,

0:43:10 > 0:43:13and yet he was forced to admit that that was him

0:43:13 > 0:43:14in the picture.

0:43:14 > 0:43:17It was like watching a little child

0:43:17 > 0:43:19getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

0:43:20 > 0:43:23All it did was reaffirm what I knew,

0:43:23 > 0:43:25in my heart,

0:43:25 > 0:43:27and that was - he was a murderer.

0:43:27 > 0:43:30Time to turn our attention to the OJ Simpson civil case.

0:43:30 > 0:43:33The jury is expected to begin deliberations today.

0:43:35 > 0:43:37In a civil trial, all you have to prove

0:43:37 > 0:43:40is that they're guilty by a preponderance of the evidence.

0:43:40 > 0:43:41That means more likely than not.

0:43:41 > 0:43:4351% is enough.

0:43:43 > 0:43:45It's a very low standard of proof.

0:43:45 > 0:43:48Completely different than the criminal trial.

0:43:50 > 0:43:52A very brief interruption, everybody.

0:43:52 > 0:43:54In case you haven't heard the news until now,

0:43:54 > 0:43:55there has been a verdict in the OJ Simpson

0:43:55 > 0:43:57civil trial in California.

0:43:57 > 0:44:00And between 35 and 45 minutes from now,

0:44:00 > 0:44:02everybody will be back in the courtroom in Santa Monica

0:44:02 > 0:44:04to hear the verdict.

0:44:04 > 0:44:06Just to remind people, we are in Washington today.

0:44:06 > 0:44:08Helps our audience.

0:44:08 > 0:44:11My employers have decided that some time ago that the President's

0:44:11 > 0:44:14address to the nation is what's important to the future,

0:44:14 > 0:44:17and is fascinated, I guess to be honest, as we all are

0:44:17 > 0:44:19about the OJ Simpson verdict.

0:44:20 > 0:44:23Our bosses have made the decision, so let's go back.

0:44:23 > 0:44:25APPLAUSE

0:44:32 > 0:44:36We must pursue a deeper dialogue with China.

0:44:36 > 0:44:38I'm told people are assembling

0:44:38 > 0:44:40in the courtroom and that they expect

0:44:40 > 0:44:43to be able to read this verdict within moments.

0:44:45 > 0:44:47OJ looks straight at the court

0:44:47 > 0:44:49and she read the answer, yes,

0:44:49 > 0:44:51that Simpson was liable for the death

0:44:51 > 0:44:54of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman.

0:44:54 > 0:44:56This jury was unified in their decision.

0:44:56 > 0:45:00There was no question that he had committed these acts,

0:45:00 > 0:45:03and he was totally responsible beyond any doubt.

0:45:04 > 0:45:07It was amazing.

0:45:07 > 0:45:12Finally had a court say, "You're responsible for Ron's death."

0:45:12 > 0:45:16Our family is grateful

0:45:16 > 0:45:18for a verdict

0:45:18 > 0:45:22of responsibility, which is all we ever wanted,

0:45:22 > 0:45:26and we have it, thank God.

0:45:26 > 0:45:28CHEERING

0:45:33 > 0:45:38Simpson was found liable to the tune of 8½ million.

0:45:38 > 0:45:40And the jury isn't finished yet.

0:45:40 > 0:45:42On Thursday jurors will return to hear testimony

0:45:42 > 0:45:44about additional punitive damage.

0:45:44 > 0:45:46Guilty!

0:45:46 > 0:45:48Total - 33 million.

0:45:50 > 0:45:55We were so shocked at the figure.

0:45:55 > 0:45:57It was astonishing.

0:45:57 > 0:46:02But what people don't realise about a civil trial

0:46:02 > 0:46:08is that a judgment is a piece of paper,

0:46:08 > 0:46:11and that is what you get.

0:46:11 > 0:46:15Then it becomes the creditor's responsibility

0:46:15 > 0:46:18to figure out a way to collect on it.

0:46:18 > 0:46:21Do you have a moral obligation to pay any of that?

0:46:21 > 0:46:23I don't feel I have a moral obligation to pay,

0:46:23 > 0:46:26because morally I've done nothing wrong.

0:46:26 > 0:46:28I think I have a legal obligation

0:46:28 > 0:46:30when I have money to pay.

0:46:30 > 0:46:32I wish I could sign a 50 million contract

0:46:32 > 0:46:34and give them whatever they have to give,

0:46:34 > 0:46:37if I knew I could get it back on appeal.

0:46:37 > 0:46:39Oh, he knew he'd never pay.

0:46:39 > 0:46:41Because the system wanted to make certain

0:46:41 > 0:46:44that they got everything he had,

0:46:44 > 0:46:46they brought in the guy that handles the estates

0:46:46 > 0:46:51of Marilyn Monroe, Elvis and James Dean,

0:46:51 > 0:46:55to say that OJ was in that same class,

0:46:55 > 0:46:58that he would make that kind of money for the rest of his life.

0:46:59 > 0:47:03As his agent, I'm sitting there... Not going to happen.

0:47:03 > 0:47:05Those people didn't murder anybody,

0:47:05 > 0:47:07or at least in the perception of America,

0:47:07 > 0:47:09he didn't murder anybody.

0:47:12 > 0:47:16It became our goal to be after him

0:47:16 > 0:47:18for the rest of his life.

0:47:18 > 0:47:22He's going to always know that we're right behind him,

0:47:22 > 0:47:25looking over his shoulder, trying to figure out a way to get him.

0:47:29 > 0:47:32In other news this morning, OJ Simpson is being ordered to

0:47:32 > 0:47:35turn over some precious belongings to satisfy the judgment

0:47:35 > 0:47:36against him in his civil lawsuit.

0:47:36 > 0:47:38The half-million-dollar inventory includes

0:47:38 > 0:47:40Simpson's golf clubs

0:47:40 > 0:47:42and his Andy Warhol silkscreen of himself.

0:47:42 > 0:47:46Simpson will have seven days to turn over the items to be sold.

0:47:47 > 0:47:50We had received a fax in the office.

0:47:51 > 0:47:54Sheriff's Department needed to know where to park

0:47:54 > 0:47:57these two giant moving trucks.

0:47:57 > 0:48:00So, we knew the day before that they were coming

0:48:00 > 0:48:02to seize these various items.

0:48:08 > 0:48:10There was quite a few people.

0:48:10 > 0:48:13His family and friends moving stuff out

0:48:13 > 0:48:15and taking it to different homes.

0:48:15 > 0:48:17OJ was out playing golf.

0:48:18 > 0:48:20Deniability.

0:48:22 > 0:48:25Sheriff's Department, they were coming through the gates

0:48:25 > 0:48:27at eight o'clock or seven o'clock or something.

0:48:28 > 0:48:31As they were coming in, I was leaving.

0:48:31 > 0:48:35Literally, gates were open at the same time. I left.

0:48:35 > 0:48:37I had his collectibles, personal items,

0:48:37 > 0:48:40Tiffany lamps, a carpet.

0:48:40 > 0:48:43A bunch of stuff went out to a storage unit

0:48:43 > 0:48:45in south San Francisco, but it was scattered.

0:48:45 > 0:48:47I mean, just all over.

0:48:47 > 0:48:50It was like a biblical flood carrying away everything.

0:48:52 > 0:48:55He lived a materialistically lavish life,

0:48:55 > 0:48:58but that wasn't what was most important.

0:49:00 > 0:49:03When they wanted his mother's piano, that rocked his foundation.

0:49:03 > 0:49:06They wanted her house up in Potrero Hill.

0:49:06 > 0:49:08Those things bothered him.

0:49:08 > 0:49:10It bothered me when they started taking

0:49:10 > 0:49:13things that I didn't think was just.

0:49:13 > 0:49:16OJ, the congratulations of all of us

0:49:16 > 0:49:19- for your impeccable character. - Thank you, Mr Cosell.

0:49:19 > 0:49:20Thank you, Mr Simpson.

0:49:20 > 0:49:22How do you take away his Heisman?

0:49:24 > 0:49:28That was who he was when I was innocent

0:49:28 > 0:49:29and he was innocent.

0:49:34 > 0:49:37- Was that Heisman given to you? - No, it wasn't given to me.

0:49:37 > 0:49:39I basically just took it.

0:49:41 > 0:49:43I had an arrangement with Mr Simpson,

0:49:43 > 0:49:45where I would be paid X amount of money

0:49:45 > 0:49:47or I could take it out in memorabilia.

0:49:47 > 0:49:49So I took the Heisman and a few other items...

0:49:50 > 0:49:52..I figured were mine.

0:49:55 > 0:49:58The IRS has filed a lien against OJ Simpson's

0:49:58 > 0:50:00Brentwood mansion.

0:50:00 > 0:50:04It says he owes more than 685,000 in back taxes,

0:50:04 > 0:50:06interest and penalties.

0:50:07 > 0:50:10I haven't made any payments in quite a while.

0:50:10 > 0:50:12I love the house - my kids were born there.

0:50:12 > 0:50:14I lost a daughter there.

0:50:14 > 0:50:16We had some great times there but it's gone,

0:50:16 > 0:50:18and now I gotta find someplace else

0:50:18 > 0:50:21to have some great times, you know, move on.

0:50:24 > 0:50:26The last day at Rockingham,

0:50:26 > 0:50:30it was kind of an odd, surreal day.

0:50:52 > 0:50:53For me, it was emotional.

0:50:56 > 0:51:00And for OJ, I guess he had kind of mentally checked out,

0:51:00 > 0:51:02where it wasn't.

0:51:02 > 0:51:03Hey, Mike.

0:51:03 > 0:51:08I want you to go over there and shoot over the fence,

0:51:08 > 0:51:11walk through the gate, so I can give you the old...

0:51:11 > 0:51:13He's like, "OK, now go outside of the gate,"

0:51:13 > 0:51:15like I'm a tourist, and I'm sneaking in through his gate,

0:51:15 > 0:51:18filming him taking the flag down.

0:51:19 > 0:51:22Because the tabloids were paying, like, 150 grand,

0:51:22 > 0:51:23200 grand, crazy money.

0:51:23 > 0:51:26Hey, this is private property.

0:51:26 > 0:51:28C'mon, man, look.

0:51:28 > 0:51:30C'mon, man, gimme a break.

0:51:30 > 0:51:32C'mon, guy, c'mon.

0:51:35 > 0:51:37Putting the flag up, taking it down, putting it up,

0:51:37 > 0:51:39taking it down.

0:51:40 > 0:51:43Him folding it and trying to get emotional,

0:51:43 > 0:51:45where he's tearing up.

0:51:48 > 0:51:49Hey, come on, this is...

0:51:49 > 0:51:51He's really working it, tearing up.

0:51:52 > 0:51:55Oh, man, that's real classy.

0:51:55 > 0:51:56Take care.

0:52:25 > 0:52:28Everybody's chasing OJ for a story today.

0:52:28 > 0:52:30Do an interview, do an interview.

0:52:32 > 0:52:36I need you to do an interview. I'm going to dog you out bad, too.

0:52:36 > 0:52:37I'm going to pimp ya!

0:52:39 > 0:52:41I needed a challenge.

0:52:41 > 0:52:44I said, "I can promote anybody, anything, it doesn't matter."

0:52:44 > 0:52:46So, my attorney came back and he said,

0:52:46 > 0:52:48"I got just the thing for you, it's OJ Simpson."

0:52:48 > 0:52:50I'm like, "Well, that's a challenge."

0:52:50 > 0:52:52I'm like "Hm."

0:53:03 > 0:53:06I put him in a world where he was happy again.

0:53:06 > 0:53:08Then, when I saw what happened,

0:53:08 > 0:53:11I said, "We should just get a camera and film this."

0:53:11 > 0:53:14- Cheers, OJ.- Cheers.

0:53:14 > 0:53:17I think that there are people offended now that you're here.

0:53:17 > 0:53:20You know, I would think that the ones who were offended

0:53:20 > 0:53:22maybe tuned into another channel.

0:53:22 > 0:53:24- I don't know, that's just a guess on my part.- Yeah.

0:53:24 > 0:53:27I would like to think that the majority of your listeners

0:53:27 > 0:53:29would not be offended.

0:53:32 > 0:53:36I know you'd like to think that, OJ, but I'm not sure.

0:53:36 > 0:53:40First, I just want to say, it's interesting to have you here.

0:53:40 > 0:53:41Thank you.

0:53:41 > 0:53:43You know, he was still famous.

0:53:43 > 0:53:45And fame, infamy...

0:53:46 > 0:53:48OJ, I was told not to ask you about the incident.

0:53:48 > 0:53:51- Is there any reason why? - What incident?

0:53:51 > 0:53:52The incident with Nicole.

0:53:52 > 0:53:56- Cos there's nothing to talk about any more.- OK. Cos you were proven innocent...

0:53:56 > 0:53:58Because I was innocent, I was proven innocent,

0:53:58 > 0:54:01- and once we open that we're back into the...- Yeah.

0:54:01 > 0:54:02It's, what, seven years now?

0:54:02 > 0:54:06- It's over and over and over...- Yeah. - ..you know?

0:54:06 > 0:54:07I mean, life goes on.

0:54:07 > 0:54:10We talk about OJ as though

0:54:10 > 0:54:13the story is OJ.

0:54:13 > 0:54:17So, when you travel and when you're walking

0:54:17 > 0:54:19down the street and things like that,

0:54:19 > 0:54:22what type of reaction do you get from people?

0:54:22 > 0:54:26The story is OJ and us.

0:54:26 > 0:54:29- The exact reaction, maybe a little more emotional...- OK.

0:54:29 > 0:54:30..than I got 15 years ago.

0:54:30 > 0:54:32If you took a walk with me down the street,

0:54:32 > 0:54:35you'd be amazed. I don't care where I go, white, black, wherever I go,

0:54:35 > 0:54:36everybody's terrific.

0:54:40 > 0:54:42The different people, watching their reactions

0:54:42 > 0:54:44was quite amazing.

0:54:45 > 0:54:48That's why I played football. I won...

0:54:48 > 0:54:49Hey, you stay gorgeous.

0:54:52 > 0:54:55- Precious.- Precious? Spell it for me.

0:54:55 > 0:54:57Oh, my, God, it's really OJ Simpson.

0:54:57 > 0:54:59In our town. He's really here.

0:55:14 > 0:55:15He was addicted to fame.

0:55:18 > 0:55:22And the reality is, the music didn't stop.

0:55:22 > 0:55:23Where do you want to do this?

0:55:23 > 0:55:26I don't know, you're good with the white women, not all black women.

0:55:26 > 0:55:28Hey, I'm good with the sisters, too, baby.

0:55:28 > 0:55:30If you didn't already have a kid and a man

0:55:30 > 0:55:32- out there that's bigger than me... - Oh, please, OJ.

0:55:32 > 0:55:35- I've got a hair weave. - Oh, you're here. See, he's in here.

0:55:35 > 0:55:37Forget what I just said.

0:55:37 > 0:55:40But you know what, OJ? Not for nothing,

0:55:40 > 0:55:43good black don't crack and you certainly do look good.

0:55:47 > 0:55:49You want to catch yourself, right?

0:55:49 > 0:55:51I don't know, OJ.

0:55:51 > 0:55:53I don't know.

0:55:53 > 0:55:58Something takes over when you're in his presence.

0:55:58 > 0:56:01He's taking you away

0:56:01 > 0:56:03from the sordid dark reality,

0:56:03 > 0:56:05but you're sitting across from somebody

0:56:05 > 0:56:07who probably committed murder.

0:56:09 > 0:56:11OJ, I don't know what I...

0:56:11 > 0:56:14I see you enjoying it. I see you enjoying it, baby. Talk to me!

0:56:14 > 0:56:16Because I got truth on my side.

0:56:19 > 0:56:21All that goes away and there's just a sense

0:56:21 > 0:56:25of wanting to believe him and go with him

0:56:25 > 0:56:28to this place where everything is still OK.

0:56:30 > 0:56:32The truly righteous are not the self-righteous,

0:56:32 > 0:56:34just remember that. I read that in the Koran.

0:56:34 > 0:56:37OJ, I want to say I don't like you, I can't stand you.

0:56:37 > 0:56:40I want to call you names, I want to throw you right out of here,

0:56:40 > 0:56:42but you know what?

0:56:44 > 0:56:47Your husband's watching, you better watch.

0:56:47 > 0:56:49You've done it to me. Can I invite you to a party?

0:56:49 > 0:56:52Sure, I'll be there.

0:56:52 > 0:56:54His friends would call it the OJ effect.

0:56:54 > 0:56:57They would say, "Yeah, you got OJed."

0:56:57 > 0:57:00Being OJed is being charmed.

0:57:00 > 0:57:04The confusion that you feel after you've been in his presence.

0:57:04 > 0:57:06I don't think he was not guilty,

0:57:06 > 0:57:08but I was in touch with the fact that I wanted

0:57:08 > 0:57:10to think he was not guilty.

0:57:10 > 0:57:13OJ, damn you, I like you.

0:57:13 > 0:57:15- Thank you.- Damn you!

0:57:16 > 0:57:17Damn you!

0:57:20 > 0:57:21Damn you.

0:57:21 > 0:57:23No!

0:57:23 > 0:57:25Oh, my gosh, he hugged me!

0:57:26 > 0:57:29Damn you, OJ. Damn you, OJ Simpson, you're charming.

0:57:29 > 0:57:31Well, thank you.

0:57:31 > 0:57:33He can get into your head.

0:57:34 > 0:57:36And you'll like him.

0:57:36 > 0:57:38There's no way around it.

0:57:45 > 0:57:48I didn't know OJ the murderer.

0:57:48 > 0:57:50I was in jail at the time when the thing happened.

0:57:52 > 0:57:54I remember OJ the hero.

0:57:54 > 0:57:56Playing football as a ten-year-old,

0:57:56 > 0:57:58saying "I'm OJ Simpson", running with the ball.

0:57:58 > 0:58:02I remember OJ the charming movie guy.

0:58:02 > 0:58:05Police! Throw down your guns!

0:58:05 > 0:58:07The mega-hero growing up.

0:58:09 > 0:58:13OJ crashed the national baseball card show in Chicago,

0:58:13 > 0:58:16and was sitting at a table signing autographs,

0:58:16 > 0:58:19and there was a line around the aisle for him

0:58:19 > 0:58:22until the promoters came and threw him out.

0:58:22 > 0:58:26He was charging, I think, 150 an autograph.

0:58:26 > 0:58:28So, that's what made me think, you know,

0:58:28 > 0:58:31"Hey. This could be worth it."

0:58:33 > 0:58:35We'd hire him to sign 200 autographs.

0:58:35 > 0:58:38What do you got there, you got another 80 items?

0:58:38 > 0:58:41You know, put the TV on the USC game and I'll take care of them.

0:58:41 > 0:58:43I liked the guy.

0:58:45 > 0:58:49Public appearances, he'd get 50 to 100 grand.

0:58:49 > 0:58:52It was a matter of him hiding from the Goldmans.

0:58:53 > 0:58:57He had a team of people to make sure that any money

0:58:57 > 0:59:01he could get was going to be protected.

0:59:01 > 0:59:04They would form some phoney company

0:59:04 > 0:59:07and funnel the money through that.

0:59:07 > 0:59:10Then he moved to Florida.

0:59:10 > 0:59:13His home suddenly became untouchable.

0:59:13 > 0:59:17His pension was untouchable already, by law.

0:59:19 > 0:59:21South Beach, Miami.

0:59:21 > 0:59:23Nobody judges you there.

0:59:23 > 0:59:25Nobody said "murderer".

0:59:25 > 0:59:27They just wanted to touch him.

0:59:27 > 0:59:29So, he was living large.

0:59:29 > 0:59:31Living large.

0:59:31 > 0:59:33You rolling?

0:59:33 > 0:59:34NEWS INTRO MUSIC

0:59:34 > 0:59:36Right now, OJ Simpson

0:59:36 > 0:59:39is a fugitive of justice.

0:59:39 > 0:59:43OJ Simpson, football legend, has just become

0:59:43 > 0:59:45the prime suspect in a double murder.

0:59:45 > 0:59:49'Oh, God, Florida was just like a nightmare.'

0:59:50 > 0:59:52I hate everything about Florida,

0:59:52 > 0:59:54everything that's happened in Florida.

0:59:54 > 0:59:58# In the trial of the century

0:59:58 > 1:00:02# Lies a hero's destiny

1:00:02 > 1:00:05# Tell me, OJ, what's it going to be?

1:00:05 > 1:00:09# Every man wants to be made

1:00:09 > 1:00:12# In the trial of the century

1:00:12 > 1:00:14# Lies a hero's destiny... #

1:00:14 > 1:00:16That's my drink. Whose drink is this?

1:00:16 > 1:00:19- That's yours.- That's yours up there. - Motherfucker.

1:00:19 > 1:00:21That motherfucker had the nerve...

1:00:21 > 1:00:24In Florida, his group of friends

1:00:24 > 1:00:26was much different.

1:00:26 > 1:00:27Did you get that set up?

1:00:27 > 1:00:30We gotta get some more money out of them.

1:00:30 > 1:00:32Week before Christmas.

1:00:32 > 1:00:35They weren't the Lynn Swanns and the Rosey Griers.

1:00:35 > 1:00:37Yo, fucking with our game, man.

1:00:37 > 1:00:41He hung around with anybody that was more thuggish.

1:00:41 > 1:00:43- The lower people.- 'Why don't y'all put the camera down?'

1:00:43 > 1:00:46But to the lower people, he was like the Godfather.

1:00:46 > 1:00:48You fucking with our golf game, OK?

1:00:48 > 1:00:51We out here to have a good time and you're fucking with our game.

1:00:51 > 1:00:53Because of that, his head grew.

1:01:02 > 1:01:06When OJ crossed over into the dark side,

1:01:06 > 1:01:09I guess that's probably where I came in at, you know?

1:01:09 > 1:01:11Cos I'm no celebrity.

1:01:11 > 1:01:13I'm no football star or baseball star, you know.

1:01:13 > 1:01:17I was a regular guy, but he seemed to like me.

1:01:17 > 1:01:21I started liking to hang out with OJ because of the perks.

1:01:21 > 1:01:24We went to strip clubs, went to nightclubs.

1:01:24 > 1:01:27We'd drink and check out the girls,

1:01:27 > 1:01:30and there was always an ample amount of women around.

1:01:34 > 1:01:37He said, "You know what's crazy is I'm getting more girls now.

1:01:40 > 1:01:44"Now I got bad-boy image and I was never a bad boy."

1:01:44 > 1:01:46"I have to wonder, 'What are they thinking?'

1:01:46 > 1:01:50"because I was accused of murdering my wife."

1:01:52 > 1:01:54Since I've been in Miami, I've gone out with a Cuban girl,

1:01:54 > 1:01:57a Venezuelan girl and a white girl.

1:01:57 > 1:01:59You only see the white girl in the media,

1:01:59 > 1:02:02and they all look like Nicole from what they say.

1:02:03 > 1:02:05At the time I started chronicling him,

1:02:05 > 1:02:10he was involved with his girlfriend, Christie Prody,

1:02:10 > 1:02:14and the first time I saw her drive in in a convertible...

1:02:14 > 1:02:15I know, baby.

1:02:15 > 1:02:17..I did a double take, because from a distance,

1:02:17 > 1:02:20she looked like a spitting image of Nicole.

1:02:20 > 1:02:22He's fine, he's fine.

1:02:22 > 1:02:25I believe in this man.

1:02:25 > 1:02:29He was going down,

1:02:29 > 1:02:34and what I mean by that is he had no interest

1:02:34 > 1:02:38in getting to either safer ground or higher ground,

1:02:38 > 1:02:39if it existed.

1:02:39 > 1:02:43He was going to go to, essentially, decadence.

1:02:43 > 1:02:45LAUGHTER

1:02:45 > 1:02:48They're talking about me, baby!

1:02:48 > 1:02:51Christie Prody, the cocaine and then she'd get clean,

1:02:51 > 1:02:53and then he couldn't get her coked up enough.

1:02:53 > 1:02:56I asked him, "Why? You know she can't stop.

1:02:56 > 1:03:00"You can do coke for a couple of days and then stop. She can't.

1:03:00 > 1:03:02"She will keep doing coke."

1:03:02 > 1:03:03I say, damn!

1:03:05 > 1:03:07He said, "Yeah, but when she does this she gets me more girls

1:03:07 > 1:03:09"than I get myself."

1:03:09 > 1:03:11We gotta get some close-ups of the crotch.

1:03:11 > 1:03:13Can't be pimpin' without some crotch shots.

1:03:13 > 1:03:15The only crotch that matters around here, that crotch right there,

1:03:15 > 1:03:18you understand what I'm talking about? Got to hide this here.

1:03:18 > 1:03:21I gotta big sheet of paper here, so don't even worry about it.

1:03:21 > 1:03:23You know, the public has to identify with an athlete.

1:03:23 > 1:03:25You can be in awe of an athlete,

1:03:25 > 1:03:26and there's many athletes out there

1:03:26 > 1:03:31that you in awe of, but you want to feel a part of that person.

1:03:32 > 1:03:34I think people view me as a certain way

1:03:34 > 1:03:36and I don't want to let them down.

1:03:38 > 1:03:41Are you any different than you were ten years ago?

1:03:42 > 1:03:4420?

1:03:44 > 1:03:4630?

1:03:46 > 1:03:49I'm just the way I've always been.

1:03:49 > 1:03:52I look at myself and think I'm a good guy.

1:03:52 > 1:03:54I truly believe, in the most part,

1:03:54 > 1:03:57that you get what you deserve in this world.

1:03:57 > 1:03:59If you allow things to happen to you,

1:03:59 > 1:04:01they will happen to you.

1:04:01 > 1:04:03You think OJ's a good-looking guy?

1:04:03 > 1:04:06If I liked guys, I'd do him.

1:04:06 > 1:04:07Oh, God.

1:04:07 > 1:04:10LAUGHTER DROWNS SPEECH

1:04:10 > 1:04:14He would go in make-up and spoof people,

1:04:14 > 1:04:17like "you've been Juiced" or whatever the hell it was.

1:04:17 > 1:04:18Oranges from OJ.

1:04:18 > 1:04:20OJ, right here.

1:04:20 > 1:04:22C'mon, help the Juice, I'm kind of down and out.

1:04:22 > 1:04:24It was like

1:04:24 > 1:04:27going and seeing the two-headed cow at the circus or something.

1:04:27 > 1:04:29The freak show.

1:04:29 > 1:04:31# Why do people wonder about my intentions?

1:04:31 > 1:04:33# Why do people ask me so many questions

1:04:33 > 1:04:36# 'Bout how I made it to the top

1:04:36 > 1:04:39# 'Bout all the times I made those defensive stops?

1:04:39 > 1:04:41# See the only way I live my life is large

1:04:41 > 1:04:44# And I got the most games with 200-plus yards. #

1:04:47 > 1:04:50OJ said, "If 90% of America thinks I'm a killer,

1:04:50 > 1:04:52- "who gives a- BLEEP- what else they think?"

1:04:52 > 1:04:54I got Juiced!

1:04:54 > 1:04:58And I said, "Well, what about your kids?"

1:04:59 > 1:05:01Living your life like some 24-year-old

1:05:01 > 1:05:04multimillionaire punk ass, hit every strip club you can,

1:05:04 > 1:05:06have all the threesomes you can.

1:05:06 > 1:05:09Don't care about what lives you're ruining,

1:05:09 > 1:05:12what your kids are seeing, what they're experiencing.

1:05:12 > 1:05:13You don't care.

1:05:13 > 1:05:14Because it's all about you.

1:05:16 > 1:05:20I finally walked away after the last time

1:05:20 > 1:05:21I saw how he treated his kids.

1:05:23 > 1:05:27And when I really started looking back on everything,

1:05:27 > 1:05:30I said, "What in the hell did I do?"

1:05:30 > 1:05:35And with somebody that I grew up admiring and idolising.

1:05:38 > 1:05:40OJ may not have a conscience.

1:05:40 > 1:05:45He may not pay for killing two people,

1:05:45 > 1:05:49but I sure in the hell pay for helping him get away with it.

1:05:49 > 1:05:51I pay.

1:05:59 > 1:06:02New outrage tonight over OJ Simpson.

1:06:02 > 1:06:04Simpson is trying to sell books,

1:06:04 > 1:06:07and he's doing it in ways that have vividly revived

1:06:07 > 1:06:10memories of the murders and his acquittal.

1:06:11 > 1:06:14Judith Regan, a sort of powerhouse publisher,

1:06:14 > 1:06:17told me about this project.

1:06:17 > 1:06:21"It's OJ Simpson and we're going to try to get a confession."

1:06:21 > 1:06:22How could I not do it?

1:06:25 > 1:06:27They were willing to give him

1:06:27 > 1:06:29700-plus thousand dollars...

1:06:29 > 1:06:32as an advance.

1:06:32 > 1:06:35At that point, he not only needed the money, but thought

1:06:35 > 1:06:37in a while people would be less interested.

1:06:39 > 1:06:42You know, on some level, he felt he was being forgotten.

1:06:42 > 1:06:44Like the years had gone by.

1:06:46 > 1:06:48Fame's a terrible beast.

1:06:48 > 1:06:51You know, when you get a taste of that and people forget you,

1:06:51 > 1:06:52it's very hard.

1:06:54 > 1:06:57I needed to sit down with him and get his story,

1:06:57 > 1:07:01and it was emotionally difficult for him.

1:07:01 > 1:07:03He goes, "I'll tell you this.

1:07:03 > 1:07:06"If I did it, I couldn't have done it alone."

1:07:06 > 1:07:08So there was someone else there?

1:07:08 > 1:07:12And he said, "There might have been."

1:07:12 > 1:07:14And it was like he was playing this little game with me,

1:07:14 > 1:07:18but it wasn't a particularly clever game.

1:07:18 > 1:07:21Then he told me about the ride home, up the alley.

1:07:21 > 1:07:24I assumed he made a right and stopped at the traffic light,

1:07:24 > 1:07:26because I'd heard that somebody saw him.

1:07:26 > 1:07:29He said, "No, no, I didn't stop at that traffic light.

1:07:29 > 1:07:31"I went up the alley and took a left,

1:07:31 > 1:07:35"and went up Gretna Green to San Vicente and on home."

1:07:35 > 1:07:38And then he saw the look on my face.

1:07:38 > 1:07:40He says, "That's the way I would have gone,

1:07:40 > 1:07:42"you know, had I done it."

1:07:42 > 1:07:44To me there was no doubt about it.

1:07:44 > 1:07:46He wasn't making this stuff up.

1:07:46 > 1:07:49I got there thinking he was a murderer,

1:07:49 > 1:07:51and I left there more convinced than ever

1:07:51 > 1:07:52that he was a murderer.

1:07:53 > 1:07:58To give a voice to a murderer

1:07:58 > 1:08:00is beyond imagination.

1:08:00 > 1:08:03Everybody is more than willing to jump in

1:08:03 > 1:08:05and play his game,

1:08:05 > 1:08:09because it's money for him and then it was going to be

1:08:09 > 1:08:11money for them.

1:08:11 > 1:08:14Well, we wanted to put an end to it.

1:08:14 > 1:08:16Disgusted by money for blood,

1:08:16 > 1:08:19millions pressure publisher Rupert Murdoch,

1:08:19 > 1:08:22who fires the executive in charge and kills the book.

1:08:24 > 1:08:28As the largest debtor, we got the rights to the book.

1:08:28 > 1:08:32So, we read it and we were shocked.

1:08:33 > 1:08:37It was as close to the confession as you could ever get.

1:08:39 > 1:08:43We made one change and one change only - the title of the book.

1:08:43 > 1:08:46We took the word "if" and made it very small,

1:08:46 > 1:08:50and laid it into the letter I.

1:08:50 > 1:08:53So it was If I Did It.

1:08:55 > 1:08:56We were hearing all over the place,

1:08:56 > 1:08:59we were wrong for doing it.

1:08:59 > 1:09:03But you know what? It was, "OK, so you think we're wrong. So what?"

1:09:03 > 1:09:04It's all about money.

1:09:04 > 1:09:07How much money is it going to take

1:09:07 > 1:09:08to make you guys happy?

1:09:08 > 1:09:11It's not going to bring Nicole or Ron back.

1:09:11 > 1:09:14That book was inexplicable.

1:09:14 > 1:09:16He was thinking, "I'm not going to say I did it,

1:09:16 > 1:09:18"but I'm not going to not say I did it."

1:09:18 > 1:09:21So, it's this whole kind of striptease that goes on,

1:09:21 > 1:09:23and everybody's complicit in it.

1:09:23 > 1:09:27Like any murder story, a few more twists.

1:09:27 > 1:09:29But now, in a twist...

1:09:29 > 1:09:30In a bizarre twist, the Goldman...

1:09:30 > 1:09:32What I think I found most disturbing...

1:09:32 > 1:09:35- OJ...- OJ Simpson's...- OJ Simpson... - OJ Simpson...

1:09:35 > 1:09:39..it's the audience and our appetite for that kind of stuff.

1:09:40 > 1:09:42Unlike most murder stories, this one still lacks

1:09:42 > 1:09:44the chapter everyone expects...

1:09:45 > 1:09:47Justice.

1:09:51 > 1:09:54Elvis, get your pelvis away from me.

1:09:57 > 1:09:59The Vegas chapter is where everything just gets

1:09:59 > 1:10:02so damn sordid.

1:10:03 > 1:10:06I can't sit here and authoritatively tell you

1:10:06 > 1:10:09what went down in Vegas,

1:10:09 > 1:10:11because it's too convoluted.

1:10:13 > 1:10:17Mike Gilbert had been pilfering OJ's stuff throughout.

1:10:17 > 1:10:20You know, Mike's got his eye on the memorabilia,

1:10:20 > 1:10:23the historical value, the money,

1:10:23 > 1:10:26and OJ's just running.

1:10:28 > 1:10:31That's what OJ does, right? He runs.

1:10:31 > 1:10:34And in his wake, there's all this stuff,

1:10:34 > 1:10:38and all these people are picking up the stuff.

1:10:38 > 1:10:40I got a call. It was Al Beardsley.

1:10:44 > 1:10:46He's this 6'6",

1:10:46 > 1:10:49300lb OJ fanatic,

1:10:49 > 1:10:53saying "Tom, I saw you on TV with the Anna Nicole Diaries.

1:10:53 > 1:10:54"I got something even better.

1:10:54 > 1:10:57"I have all the stuff from OJ's trophy room.

1:10:57 > 1:11:00"He didn't pay his bills - his agent stole them."

1:11:05 > 1:11:08Beardsley told me that a majority of the stuff was in Vegas.

1:11:08 > 1:11:10Called OJ,

1:11:10 > 1:11:13OJ said, "Look, Tom, this is not memorabilia.

1:11:13 > 1:11:14"These are personal artefacts

1:11:14 > 1:11:16"that were stolen from me.

1:11:16 > 1:11:18"My football that I was holding in my arms

1:11:18 > 1:11:21"when I rushed for 2,000 yards.

1:11:21 > 1:11:23"The ring from my wife who died,

1:11:23 > 1:11:26"that I was going to give to my daughter."

1:11:26 > 1:11:29He kept talking about a photo signed by J Edgar Hoover.

1:11:29 > 1:11:33J Edgar Hoover said he was a big fan, a fine young man.

1:11:33 > 1:11:35"Everyone thinks nothing bad happens to me.

1:11:35 > 1:11:36"Here I am being robbed.

1:11:36 > 1:11:39"Why don't we show the world that I have to go

1:11:39 > 1:11:41"by myself to get my stuff back?"

1:11:41 > 1:11:43He says, "I was invited to a wedding in Vegas.

1:11:43 > 1:11:45"I can be in Vegas."

1:11:47 > 1:11:50If I Did It was due to be released on the day of the wedding

1:11:50 > 1:11:52that he was there.

1:11:52 > 1:11:54So I said, "OJ, great.

1:11:54 > 1:11:56"Sign 200 books for me."

1:11:56 > 1:11:57He goes, "Fuck, no."

1:11:59 > 1:12:02I go, "Dude, you're asking me to help you with this shit."

1:12:02 > 1:12:04And he says, "I'm going to write on the books

1:12:04 > 1:12:07" 'I didn't write this' and then I'll sign it OJ Simpson."

1:12:07 > 1:12:10I said, "That's good enough for me. I'll take that."

1:12:10 > 1:12:11A free inscription, too.

1:12:13 > 1:12:17I met him at the Palms, at a pool party at the Palms.

1:12:19 > 1:12:22OJ was wearing sunglasses

1:12:22 > 1:12:25and he was every bit

1:12:25 > 1:12:29the celebrity you would think he would be before the murders.

1:12:32 > 1:12:34Girls were coming up to him, like, young girls.

1:12:34 > 1:12:37"Are you OJ? Can I take a picture?"

1:12:37 > 1:12:40Sitting on his lap, and he had his own cabana,

1:12:40 > 1:12:42with a dozen people in it.

1:12:42 > 1:12:43"Hey, Juice."

1:12:43 > 1:12:46Like, weaselly guys, like, "Hey, Juice, can I get you a drink?

1:12:46 > 1:12:48"Hey, Juice." And he was sitting there telling stories

1:12:48 > 1:12:50and joking around, and we were all laughing.

1:12:52 > 1:12:53I ended up going up to his room.

1:12:55 > 1:12:56He said, "Listen.

1:12:56 > 1:12:59"These people stole my stuff, and they know they stole it.

1:12:59 > 1:13:01"We're going to shock the hell of those guys.

1:13:01 > 1:13:03"I'm going to have my buddies coming over,

1:13:03 > 1:13:07"and, man, they're going to shit their pants when they see us."

1:13:17 > 1:13:19Know what I remember about that?

1:13:19 > 1:13:22I'm up in his room, watching on TV.

1:13:22 > 1:13:24There's this pretty, beautiful brunette that comes out.

1:13:24 > 1:13:28He said, "That's my goddaughter. Her name is Kim."

1:13:28 > 1:13:30I am so excited to do my reality show.

1:13:30 > 1:13:33She said, "I have a show about my family."

1:13:33 > 1:13:35- It's me and my whole family. - What's it called?

1:13:35 > 1:13:37It's called Keeping Up With The Kardashians.

1:13:37 > 1:13:39"My dad was such a great lawyer.

1:13:39 > 1:13:42"He got OJ off the hook for murder."

1:13:42 > 1:13:44OJ's like, "That's bullshit. He was a family friend."

1:13:44 > 1:13:48He's, like, yelling at the TV. "Baby, your dad was shit."

1:13:48 > 1:13:51I'm like, this is weird. I didn't know what the hell a Kardashian was.

1:13:54 > 1:13:57"That show ain't going to last two weeks," OJ goes.

1:14:14 > 1:14:17We get to the Palms. Simpson's there.

1:14:17 > 1:14:19He started talking about some guys

1:14:19 > 1:14:22who stole from him,

1:14:22 > 1:14:26and he wanted to show some strength.

1:14:26 > 1:14:29He wanted to be intimidating.

1:14:29 > 1:14:31He wanted me to come along with him as security

1:14:31 > 1:14:33since I was a licensed firearm holder.

1:14:33 > 1:14:36And because I considered him a friend,

1:14:36 > 1:14:37I decided I would help him.

1:14:40 > 1:14:44At that time, I had a lot of OJ Simpson memorabilia.

1:14:44 > 1:14:46Thousands of pieces.

1:14:46 > 1:14:49Al Beardsley said, "Hey, I've got a buyer

1:14:49 > 1:14:52"that wants to buy OJ Simpson memorabilia,

1:14:52 > 1:14:54"and he wants to buy a lot of it.

1:14:54 > 1:14:56"He'd like to meet at the Palace Station."

1:15:00 > 1:15:02I think a lot people go there for quick fixes.

1:15:02 > 1:15:06You don't spend a lot of money, but you can get a lot done.

1:15:06 > 1:15:08I loaded everything into my truck.

1:15:08 > 1:15:12I was transporting over 100,000 worth of memorabilia.

1:15:12 > 1:15:15Beardsley met me, took me inside,

1:15:15 > 1:15:18I meet Tom Riccio for the first time.

1:15:18 > 1:15:23He says, "Yeah, my buyer will be here in a little while.

1:15:23 > 1:15:24"Can I see what you got?"

1:15:24 > 1:15:28I show him photographs, footballs.

1:15:28 > 1:15:32This is all the stuff I've paid OJ to sign over the years.

1:15:32 > 1:15:34He says, "Is this all there is?"

1:15:34 > 1:15:36I said, "Yeah."

1:15:36 > 1:15:37He said, "I thought there was going to be

1:15:37 > 1:15:40"a bunch of OJ's personal memorabilia."

1:15:40 > 1:15:42I said, "This is all there is."

1:15:42 > 1:15:46Along with that, I brought along some other stuff.

1:15:46 > 1:15:50He was pushing Pete Rose stuff.

1:15:50 > 1:15:52Joe Montana lithographs.

1:15:52 > 1:15:55I'm like, "Dude, he's not interested. He's an OJ fan.

1:15:55 > 1:15:56"He wants OJ's personal..."

1:15:56 > 1:15:59"Yeah, but if he's interested in OJ, he's going to want Joe Montana."

1:16:01 > 1:16:04A lot of the things that OJ thought that I had were actually

1:16:04 > 1:16:06in the storage unit in San Francisco,

1:16:06 > 1:16:08that was lost to an auction.

1:16:09 > 1:16:11But we had several lockers.

1:16:11 > 1:16:13The one in Hanford, Bruce emptied it out,

1:16:13 > 1:16:16and he's been selling it for, like, ten months.

1:16:17 > 1:16:20Mike took it from OJ,

1:16:20 > 1:16:22Fromong takes it from Mike.

1:16:22 > 1:16:24Now it turns into the Marx brothers.

1:16:24 > 1:16:28Everybody is now acting like a lunatic.

1:16:29 > 1:16:32I'm alone in the room with Bruce Fromong, and Al Beardsley.

1:16:32 > 1:16:34Beardsley is a bit of a nut.

1:16:39 > 1:16:41He went to prison for stalking.

1:16:42 > 1:16:44OJ's phone, he calls.

1:16:44 > 1:16:47They're like, "All right, we'll be there in 15 minutes."

1:16:47 > 1:16:49After about an hour, they're all getting antsy.

1:16:49 > 1:16:52They're like, "What's going on? This is bullshit." Blah, blah, blah.

1:16:52 > 1:16:54It really seemed like a drug deal.

1:16:56 > 1:17:01We got to the hotel, we had to wait for some more guys.

1:17:09 > 1:17:11When all the other guys showed up...

1:17:12 > 1:17:16..they didn't look like the most ferocious men.

1:17:17 > 1:17:19It was a mismatched bunch.

1:17:19 > 1:17:22One of them was a frumpy-looking white dude,

1:17:22 > 1:17:24which, like, "What the hell is he doing here?"

1:17:24 > 1:17:27One of them was an older black guy

1:17:27 > 1:17:29that looked like he could have been a librarian.

1:17:31 > 1:17:33I never met so many con men at one time,

1:17:33 > 1:17:35but everybody was trying to get money.

1:17:35 > 1:17:36Every one of them guys

1:17:36 > 1:17:38had something up for Simpson.

1:17:40 > 1:17:42Them guys got confused where the room was.

1:17:42 > 1:17:44They was on the elevator going up and down.

1:17:44 > 1:17:48The room was, like, 12 something, but it was on the bottom floor.

1:17:48 > 1:17:50It wasn't on the 12th storey.

1:17:50 > 1:17:52It was like a weird maze.

1:17:53 > 1:17:55It was dumb.

1:17:55 > 1:17:58This whole situation was a very dumb situation.

1:18:00 > 1:18:04At the final stage, everyone met at that hallway

1:18:04 > 1:18:06where the room is.

1:18:08 > 1:18:11They said, "They got guns?" I go, "No.

1:18:11 > 1:18:15"You guys got guns? Dude, do you guys got guns?"

1:18:17 > 1:18:18Room 1203.

1:18:20 > 1:18:23I don't think I'll ever forget that room number.

1:18:24 > 1:18:27Simpson asked me to look menacing,

1:18:27 > 1:18:29so I had my gun out,

1:18:29 > 1:18:31and he was getting angrier and angrier.

1:18:33 > 1:18:36Riccio pulled the key out, opened the door,

1:18:36 > 1:18:38and we walked in the room.

1:18:39 > 1:18:42I'm on the phone talking.

1:18:42 > 1:18:44The door opens very quickly.

1:18:44 > 1:18:45The men that were in the room

1:18:45 > 1:18:48were pretty damn surprised to see us,

1:18:48 > 1:18:50and they were even more surprised to see Simpson.

1:18:54 > 1:18:56I'm seeing OJ.

1:18:56 > 1:18:59It had been quite a while since I'd seen OJ.

1:18:59 > 1:19:01He had always been friendly,

1:19:01 > 1:19:04but this guy had a face on him that was just a rage.

1:19:09 > 1:19:12He's yelling and screaming, I'm yelling and screaming.

1:19:12 > 1:19:14I'm telling the guys to move over,

1:19:14 > 1:19:15do this, do that.

1:19:16 > 1:19:18I had no idea who was in the room, then.

1:19:18 > 1:19:20No-one briefed me on anything.

1:19:20 > 1:19:23I pushed one of the guys into the bathroom,

1:19:23 > 1:19:26and told him not to come out of it.

1:19:26 > 1:19:27It was a crowded room.

1:19:27 > 1:19:29I guess there was a guy in the bathroom.

1:19:29 > 1:19:32One or two of them were over by Beardsley.

1:19:32 > 1:19:36Beardsley's, like, in love with OJ, so he seems almost happy to see him.

1:19:36 > 1:19:37"Hey, OJ."

1:19:37 > 1:19:38And OJ looks at him.

1:19:41 > 1:19:44"OJ, I thought we were friends. "I thought we were cool."

1:19:45 > 1:19:48The guy with the gun, he hits me in the shoulder

1:19:48 > 1:19:51and it knocked me backwards against the chair.

1:19:51 > 1:19:56Then he put the gun in my face, you know, kind of gangster style.

1:19:56 > 1:19:58I said something to the effect,

1:19:58 > 1:20:01"You guys are lucky we're not in LA, or you'd all be laying down.

1:20:01 > 1:20:03"I'll shoot your ass."

1:20:03 > 1:20:04I couldn't believe I said it,

1:20:04 > 1:20:07but it was just something that I said.

1:20:10 > 1:20:12Then I started saying, "Bag stuff up."

1:20:12 > 1:20:14What OJ called his stuff, everybody called his stuff,

1:20:14 > 1:20:16I called it junk.

1:20:16 > 1:20:19Boxes of pictures, some ties.

1:20:19 > 1:20:21They're pushing the stuff back to him. "Here, OJ."

1:20:21 > 1:20:23"What do you think you can do, stealing my shit,

1:20:23 > 1:20:25"blah, blah, blah, blah",

1:20:25 > 1:20:27and they're all apologising, pushing it back.

1:20:27 > 1:20:29Then, the guys started taking pillowcases

1:20:29 > 1:20:32and stuffing Pete Rowe stuff and Joe Montana.

1:20:32 > 1:20:34Like, "Wait a minute. That's not your stuff."

1:20:38 > 1:20:42So, the first minute went exactly as OJ scripted it.

1:20:42 > 1:20:46The next three or four turned into an armed robbery.

1:20:51 > 1:20:53He took my phone and I had just gotten it.

1:20:53 > 1:20:55And I go, "OJ, don't take my phone. I just got it."

1:20:55 > 1:20:58He takes it, he says, "I'll leave it at the desk."

1:20:58 > 1:21:00And OJ left.

1:21:04 > 1:21:07I went up to the front desk, and I said,

1:21:07 > 1:21:10"I need security, I was just robbed by OJ Simpson."

1:21:10 > 1:21:11And they started laughing.

1:21:11 > 1:21:13911, emergency.

1:21:13 > 1:21:14I was just robbed by OJ Simpson

1:21:14 > 1:21:17and four other black men at gunpoint.

1:21:17 > 1:21:19We need the police here right away, ma'am.

1:21:19 > 1:21:21You don't have to keep telling me that.

1:21:21 > 1:21:24That's why I'm getting the descriptions for the officers.

1:21:24 > 1:21:26"Four black men and OJ Simpson" is not enough.

1:21:26 > 1:21:28I'm going to need to know what they were wearing.

1:21:28 > 1:21:32The cops showed up and they were really lax about it.

1:21:32 > 1:21:35They were like, "So, you were robbed, OJ Simpson.

1:21:35 > 1:21:37"Who else was here, Al Cowlings?"

1:21:39 > 1:21:42Once we got back over to the Palms,

1:21:42 > 1:21:44first thing he said, "There was no gun.

1:21:44 > 1:21:46"There was no gun."

1:21:49 > 1:21:53So, right then I knew he had some shit with him.

1:21:53 > 1:21:55He's trying to get ready to set up all this

1:21:55 > 1:22:01good OJ Simpson look to make himself look legitimate.

1:22:01 > 1:22:05- Hello, guys.- Hi!- Hi, how's it going? - All is well.

1:22:05 > 1:22:08You're trying to put your actor face back on.

1:22:08 > 1:22:10You're trying to put your pitch man face back on.

1:22:10 > 1:22:14God bless. Hey, guys. Take care. Happy weekend.

1:22:14 > 1:22:17But he's not fooling me.

1:22:19 > 1:22:21When I got home that day,

1:22:21 > 1:22:24I told my wife, "I think I just did a robbery."

1:22:24 > 1:22:27The first thing she asked me is, "Did you have your gun?"

1:22:27 > 1:22:28I was like, "Yeah."

1:22:28 > 1:22:31I was just fighting the reality of the answer,

1:22:31 > 1:22:32and I knew

1:22:32 > 1:22:35that the cops were going to get involved,

1:22:35 > 1:22:36and I knew because it was Simpson

1:22:36 > 1:22:39that it was going to get huge.

1:22:42 > 1:22:45Later on, I went back to the Palace Station,

1:22:45 > 1:22:48back to the room where the recorder was.

1:22:49 > 1:22:52You recorded that whole thing?

1:22:52 > 1:22:54I recorded it because there was

1:22:54 > 1:22:56a bunch of idiots going in a room

1:22:56 > 1:22:58and I didn't know what was going to happen.

1:22:58 > 1:23:01I wanted to make sure it was documented.

1:23:01 > 1:23:03The police were searching the room.

1:23:03 > 1:23:06The one six-inch area where the recorder was,

1:23:06 > 1:23:07they didn't find it.

1:23:07 > 1:23:10As I'm putting it in my pocket,

1:23:10 > 1:23:12the cop's like, "Get your shit

1:23:12 > 1:23:14"and get the F out of here, right now."

1:23:17 > 1:23:19If you woke up and heard that OJ Simpson

1:23:19 > 1:23:21is back in the news and under arrest,

1:23:21 > 1:23:24rest assured it's not Groundhog Day.

1:23:24 > 1:23:27This time, though, he's in a jail cell in Las Vegas

1:23:27 > 1:23:31after a confrontation, apparently caught on tape.

1:23:31 > 1:23:33No Johnnie to save you this time, OJ!

1:23:33 > 1:23:37Two hours after the arrest, I got a hold of Harvey Levin.

1:23:37 > 1:23:40I ended up selling the tapes for 150,000.

1:23:47 > 1:23:50I was heartbroken by it.

1:23:51 > 1:23:54OJ, what were you thinking?

1:23:55 > 1:23:58What were you thinking?

1:23:58 > 1:24:00Are you kidding me?

1:24:00 > 1:24:01Are you kidding me?

1:24:03 > 1:24:06You just walked away from a double murder and you do this?

1:24:08 > 1:24:09All rise.

1:24:11 > 1:24:15This District Court is now in session. The honourable...

1:24:15 > 1:24:19I was looking at 12, 13 years in prison,

1:24:19 > 1:24:24and I didn't want any part of that.

1:24:24 > 1:24:26I wanted zero part to do with that.

1:24:27 > 1:24:31I started thinking, if I testify, I could clear myself up,

1:24:31 > 1:24:34and if I don't testify I'm going to be a fool.

1:24:34 > 1:24:37- ..the truth, so help you God? - I do.- Have a seat, please.

1:24:38 > 1:24:41As far as a street code not to talk on a witness stand,

1:24:41 > 1:24:45there's a bunch of guys in prison right now,

1:24:45 > 1:24:49all over the country, behind the code.

1:24:49 > 1:24:52They gave their life up for the code,

1:24:52 > 1:24:56but I wasn't going to jail for no OJ Simpson.

1:24:56 > 1:24:57Not me.

1:24:57 > 1:24:59If I'd have went to jail from him,

1:24:59 > 1:25:02think he would have come to visit me? No!

1:25:02 > 1:25:05You think he would have gave me commissary? No.

1:25:05 > 1:25:07Excuse my expression, but fuck him.

1:25:08 > 1:25:11This case was something built

1:25:11 > 1:25:14from a grain of salt

1:25:14 > 1:25:17into a mountain of salt. You know what I mean?

1:25:17 > 1:25:19Count two, conspiracy to commit kidnapping.

1:25:19 > 1:25:22Guilty. Count three...

1:25:22 > 1:25:25CJ Stewart went to jail for not taking the deal.

1:25:25 > 1:25:28Even though I think I did nothing wrong,

1:25:28 > 1:25:30and I still contend to this day I did nothing wrong

1:25:30 > 1:25:32with the OJ thing.

1:25:32 > 1:25:34Could I have spent the next couple of years

1:25:34 > 1:25:37defending myself against something that I don't think I did?

1:25:37 > 1:25:39Yes.

1:25:39 > 1:25:42So, I told my lawyer, "Before I do anything, get me immunity."

1:25:42 > 1:25:45Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth,

1:25:45 > 1:25:48- and nothing but the truth, so help you God?- I do.- Please be seated.

1:25:48 > 1:25:50OJ got duped.

1:25:50 > 1:25:52OJ got duped by Tom Riccio.

1:25:52 > 1:25:55Tom Riccio lied to OJ Simpson.

1:25:55 > 1:25:56He said,

1:25:56 > 1:26:00"I know someone that's got thousands of pieces of your memorabilia."

1:26:00 > 1:26:02He set OJ Simpson up.

1:26:02 > 1:26:05Oh, yeah, Tom Riccio's a rat.

1:26:05 > 1:26:07Who did I rat on? Did I rat on anybody here?

1:26:07 > 1:26:09Name a person I ratted on.

1:26:09 > 1:26:11Not that I have anything against ratting -

1:26:11 > 1:26:13if it would help the world, I'll rat.

1:26:13 > 1:26:16But I didn't rat on anybody.

1:26:16 > 1:26:18Riccio says that it was OJ Simpson

1:26:18 > 1:26:20who was giving the orders in the room.

1:26:20 > 1:26:22OJ was definitely in charge.

1:26:24 > 1:26:27I mean, I don't know what you'd call...

1:26:27 > 1:26:28Maybe I did rat out some people.

1:26:28 > 1:26:31I don't know, maybe I did with the OJ thing, maybe I did.

1:26:31 > 1:26:33- All right, so I'm a rat. - HE CHUCKLES

1:26:34 > 1:26:37Thomas Riccio, their star witness,

1:26:37 > 1:26:39one of my favourite people ever.

1:26:39 > 1:26:41I was in Las Vegas and I was reporting

1:26:41 > 1:26:45for Entertainment Tonight about the trial.

1:26:45 > 1:26:48Such a weird confluence of events.

1:26:48 > 1:26:50How does this happen?

1:26:50 > 1:26:52So, I was watching the preliminary hearing...

1:26:53 > 1:26:57..and at lunch break we were in the cafeteria

1:26:57 > 1:26:59and he showed up there.

1:26:59 > 1:27:03"It's OJ." And walked by.

1:27:03 > 1:27:06"Mr Simpson." "Ms Clark."

1:27:06 > 1:27:07It was weird.

1:27:08 > 1:27:1213 years to the day after OJ Simpson was acquitted

1:27:12 > 1:27:14in the murders of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson,

1:27:14 > 1:27:16and her friend, Ronald Goldman,

1:27:16 > 1:27:19OJ was found guilty of kidnapping and armed robbery

1:27:19 > 1:27:22in a Las Vegas courtroom Friday night.

1:27:27 > 1:27:31What happened to Mr Simpson, to me...

1:27:34 > 1:27:36He was being selfish.

1:27:37 > 1:27:39He's been in a lot of pain.

1:27:39 > 1:27:42Pain medication, drinking,

1:27:42 > 1:27:46trying to control everything goes on in his life,

1:27:46 > 1:27:48in his relationship, his finances.

1:27:50 > 1:27:55And it wasn't as good as it used to be.

1:27:55 > 1:27:58You know? It wasn't as great.

1:27:58 > 1:28:00The whole big picture, his life,

1:28:00 > 1:28:01he was just tired.

1:28:03 > 1:28:06He's street,

1:28:06 > 1:28:10and OJ, regrettably,

1:28:10 > 1:28:14reverted back to Galileo High School.

1:28:14 > 1:28:16You know?

1:28:16 > 1:28:18He reverted back to Hunter's Point.

1:28:22 > 1:28:23Sorry.

1:28:27 > 1:28:30I feel, like, apologetic to the people

1:28:30 > 1:28:31of the state of Nevada.

1:28:31 > 1:28:35I've been coming to Nevada since 1959.

1:28:35 > 1:28:39I worked summer jobs here for my uncle in '60 and '61.

1:28:39 > 1:28:41I've been coming ever since

1:28:41 > 1:28:43and I've never gotten into any trouble.

1:28:43 > 1:28:45People have always been fine to me.

1:28:45 > 1:28:47When I came here, I came here for a wedding.

1:28:47 > 1:28:49I didn't come here to...

1:28:50 > 1:28:54I didn't come here to reclaim property.

1:28:54 > 1:28:56I was told it was here.

1:28:56 > 1:28:59I called my kids and I told them I had a chance

1:28:59 > 1:29:01to get some of our property back.

1:29:01 > 1:29:04We've called the police and asked what to do.

1:29:04 > 1:29:06They told us what to try to do.

1:29:06 > 1:29:08You could never find out who was selling it.

1:29:08 > 1:29:11This was the first time I had a opportunity

1:29:11 > 1:29:14to catch the guys red-handed who had been stealing

1:29:14 > 1:29:16from my family.

1:29:16 > 1:29:19I wasn't there to hurt anybody. I just wanted my personal things,

1:29:19 > 1:29:21and I realise now it was stupid of me.

1:29:21 > 1:29:23I'm sorry.

1:29:23 > 1:29:25I didn't mean to steal anything from anybody

1:29:25 > 1:29:27and I didn't know I was doing anything illegal.

1:29:27 > 1:29:29I thought I was confronting friends

1:29:29 > 1:29:33and retrieving my property.

1:29:33 > 1:29:36That guy, he should have been the model citizen.

1:29:37 > 1:29:40Should have been in church every week.

1:29:40 > 1:29:41Should have been helping kids.

1:29:41 > 1:29:43Instead, he did more to hurt African-American

1:29:43 > 1:29:45young men and boys

1:29:45 > 1:29:48by putting on this charade.

1:29:48 > 1:29:51He kept pushing the envelope.

1:29:51 > 1:29:53You know? And why wouldn't he?

1:29:53 > 1:29:56I mean, if I got away with everything,

1:29:56 > 1:29:58time after time after time...

1:29:58 > 1:30:01Hey, I'm a god.

1:30:03 > 1:30:05All right, for Mr Simpson.

1:30:09 > 1:30:14All right, Mr Simpson, I'm going to sentence you as follows.

1:30:14 > 1:30:17Count one, conspiracy to commit a crime,

1:30:17 > 1:30:19one year in the county jail.

1:30:19 > 1:30:22Count two, conspiracy to commit kidnapping,

1:30:22 > 1:30:24a minimum term of 12 months, max term of 48 months

1:30:24 > 1:30:26in the Nevada Department of Corrections.

1:30:26 > 1:30:28Count three, conspiracy to commit robbery,

1:30:28 > 1:30:31a minimum term of 12 months, max term of 48 months,

1:30:31 > 1:30:33in the Nevada Department of Corrections.

1:30:33 > 1:30:36Count four, burglary while in possession of a deadly weapon,

1:30:36 > 1:30:39a minimum term of 26 months...

1:30:39 > 1:30:42I went to an inner-city high school,

1:30:42 > 1:30:45and our football team was terrible,

1:30:45 > 1:30:48but our fighters were good,

1:30:48 > 1:30:51and we might lose the fourth quarter of the ball game,

1:30:51 > 1:30:54but we were going to win the fifth quarter after the game.

1:30:54 > 1:30:56The fight.

1:30:56 > 1:30:59So, it's called the fifth quarter.

1:30:59 > 1:31:01Count five, the first-degree kidnapping with use

1:31:01 > 1:31:03of a deadly weapon,

1:31:03 > 1:31:06a fixed term of 15 years, parole eligibility beginning

1:31:06 > 1:31:07after five years.

1:31:07 > 1:31:10Count six, the first-degree kidnapping with use

1:31:10 > 1:31:12of a deadly weapon,

1:31:12 > 1:31:15a fixed term of 15 years.

1:31:15 > 1:31:19That was, at most, a two-year crime dripping wet.

1:31:20 > 1:31:23The judge in that case

1:31:23 > 1:31:27held the jury out until 11 o'clock

1:31:27 > 1:31:31on a Friday night, 13 years to the day...

1:31:32 > 1:31:37..of OJ Simpson's verdict on October the 3rd.

1:31:37 > 1:31:42That, in my mind, was not a coincidence.

1:31:42 > 1:31:44Robbery with use of a deadly weapon,

1:31:44 > 1:31:47a minimum term of 60 months.

1:31:47 > 1:31:51A maximum term of 180 months.

1:31:51 > 1:31:53Count eight, robbery with use of a deadly weapon,

1:31:53 > 1:31:56a minimum term of 60 months, a max term of 180 months,

1:31:56 > 1:31:59in the Nevada Department of Corrections.

1:31:59 > 1:32:02The assault with a deadly weapon.

1:32:02 > 1:32:05A minimum term of 18 months,

1:32:05 > 1:32:07max term of 72 months,

1:32:07 > 1:32:09in the Nevada Department of Corrections.

1:32:09 > 1:32:12And the 33-year sentence

1:32:12 > 1:32:15reflecting the 33 million

1:32:15 > 1:32:19in the civil verdict was no coincidence.

1:32:20 > 1:32:22That concludes today's sentencing.

1:32:22 > 1:32:25And that was the fifth quarter.

1:32:25 > 1:32:30They got back at OJ for winning our case.

1:32:30 > 1:32:33- Thank you.- Thank you, judge.- Thank you very much. We're adjourned.

1:32:35 > 1:32:37He didn't kidnap anybody.

1:32:37 > 1:32:39Nobody was moved or tortured or hit and beat up.

1:32:39 > 1:32:43There wasn't none of that. He got played by the book.

1:32:43 > 1:32:46In the legal term of the law, when he said,

1:32:46 > 1:32:49"Nobody leaves this room," that is kidnapping.

1:32:50 > 1:32:52That wasn't about justice.

1:32:52 > 1:32:57They wanted the guy that got away with murder in 1994.

1:32:59 > 1:33:01Here's the thing about it.

1:33:01 > 1:33:04The guns are the thing about it.

1:33:04 > 1:33:06They put guns to people's heads.

1:33:06 > 1:33:08Someone could have died there.

1:33:08 > 1:33:10The legal elements of the case were there.

1:33:10 > 1:33:15Did the jury hammer him because of the murder trial?

1:33:16 > 1:33:17Wouldn't surprise me.

1:33:19 > 1:33:20That is...

1:33:21 > 1:33:23That is white justice in America, man.

1:33:27 > 1:33:30Listen, I think anybody who is happy

1:33:30 > 1:33:34that any human being is going to be stuck in a cage

1:33:34 > 1:33:36is a horrible person.

1:33:36 > 1:33:39This is not a happy day for anybody.

1:33:40 > 1:33:41We're thrilled.

1:33:41 > 1:33:44It's kind of a bittersweet moment,

1:33:44 > 1:33:47knowing that that SOB is going to be in jail

1:33:47 > 1:33:48for a very long time.

1:33:52 > 1:33:54And he's going to be where he belongs,

1:33:54 > 1:33:56with others of his kind.

1:33:56 > 1:33:58And he can complain there.

1:34:04 > 1:34:08Look, I voted "no" then.

1:34:08 > 1:34:11Then he's a stupid ass to go out there

1:34:11 > 1:34:13and get into some more shit.

1:34:17 > 1:34:19Somewhat.

1:34:19 > 1:34:22But deep in my heart,

1:34:22 > 1:34:26I done what I felt was right at that time.

1:34:26 > 1:34:29- CHANTING:- Free OJ!

1:34:29 > 1:34:33Back then, we took care of our own.

1:34:33 > 1:34:36Now, you're on your own, Joe.

1:34:38 > 1:34:41A lot of people gave a lot.

1:34:41 > 1:34:43- CHANTING:- We want justice!

1:34:43 > 1:34:47But ultimately, it was all a waste.

1:34:47 > 1:34:49He wasn't deserving.

1:34:50 > 1:34:53My main concern is a black man's image

1:34:53 > 1:34:55and the beating that it's taken.

1:34:58 > 1:35:00OJ reached the top of the mountain.

1:35:02 > 1:35:04And when he fell off,

1:35:04 > 1:35:07it should not reflect on black people at all.

1:35:07 > 1:35:08It should reflect on OJ.

1:35:11 > 1:35:13He had everything.

1:35:14 > 1:35:16He had adoration.

1:35:16 > 1:35:17You hear the crowd.

1:35:17 > 1:35:21Men loved him, women loved him, children loved him.

1:35:21 > 1:35:23That's the way it should be.

1:35:23 > 1:35:25I mean, how many people go through life like that?

1:35:25 > 1:35:30When you're running the ball, it's joy.

1:35:30 > 1:35:32This is the natural state of things.

1:35:32 > 1:35:37For somebody like OJ Simpson, who came from where he came,

1:35:37 > 1:35:40to have accomplished what he accomplished,

1:35:40 > 1:35:44to have that brutal fall from grace -

1:35:44 > 1:35:46it's really an American tragedy.

1:35:50 > 1:35:52I don't know how I ended up here.

1:35:52 > 1:35:55I just don't know how I ended up here.

1:35:56 > 1:35:59I thought I lived a great life.

1:35:59 > 1:36:01I thought I treated everybody well.

1:36:01 > 1:36:03I went out of my way to make everybody comfortable and happy.

1:36:04 > 1:36:07I felt the goodness in myself

1:36:07 > 1:36:08and the goodness I gave people.

1:36:08 > 1:36:11I don't feel any goodness in myself right now.

1:36:12 > 1:36:14I feel empty.

1:36:14 > 1:36:16I feel totally empty.

1:36:18 > 1:36:21I felt I have some last thing I gotta say to somebody.

1:36:23 > 1:36:24Please remember me as the Juice.

1:36:24 > 1:36:26Please remember me as a good guy.

1:36:26 > 1:36:28Please.