0:00:08 > 0:00:15This film contains some strong language
0:00:36 > 0:00:38When I remember things...
0:00:43 > 0:00:46..it's not just some kind of mathematical machine in my head.
0:00:53 > 0:00:58It is contaminated in terms of facts.
0:01:03 > 0:01:07It's mixed with desires, with fears.
0:01:09 > 0:01:11Memory is such a fickle thing.
0:02:12 > 0:02:15Every Icelander knows about this case.
0:02:18 > 0:02:22It's the biggest criminal case of the last century.
0:02:43 > 0:02:49It was such torture, because I was this guilty person...
0:02:50 > 0:02:56..and I had never really connected with the actual memory
0:02:56 > 0:02:58of any of it happening.
0:03:26 > 0:03:31When I was growing up in Reykjavik, it was a small-town community.
0:03:31 > 0:03:36It felt almost like one family because everyone is related.
0:03:40 > 0:03:46In '74, there were probably 220,000 people.
0:03:46 > 0:03:51Iceland was a village, and you still knew most everyone.
0:03:51 > 0:03:53MUSIC PLAYS
0:03:56 > 0:04:00We didn't have so much experience of the outer world.
0:04:03 > 0:04:05It was a safe community.
0:04:05 > 0:04:07There was very little crime.
0:04:08 > 0:04:10It was a state of innocence, really.
0:04:12 > 0:04:18And authorities were something everybody trusted -
0:04:18 > 0:04:21and newspapers, they don't lie -
0:04:21 > 0:04:25and that's what people had here.
0:04:25 > 0:04:29They trusted that everything was the way it seemed.
0:04:53 > 0:04:56It was a time here in Iceland where there was a lot of changes,
0:04:56 > 0:05:00and I remember my parents' generation was quite nervous
0:05:00 > 0:05:03of what on Earth was going on...
0:05:03 > 0:05:06and I felt like I was with the crowd
0:05:06 > 0:05:09that really had an understanding of life.
0:05:18 > 0:05:23Hippies didn't respect rules, they didn't respect law.
0:05:25 > 0:05:31People would be smoking hash and discussing politics,
0:05:31 > 0:05:35and I was soaking up everything they said like a sponge.
0:05:48 > 0:05:53At these parties where everybody's passing the pipe, there he is -
0:05:53 > 0:05:55and I was wondering, "Who's this guy?"
0:05:55 > 0:05:58And somebody said, "That's Saevar Ciesielski."
0:06:00 > 0:06:03Saevar had a foreign look, most definitely.
0:06:03 > 0:06:08He had this dark hair and he had these Slavic eyes -
0:06:08 > 0:06:13and the other thing about him was he was so mysterious.
0:06:13 > 0:06:17There was always this mythology around Ciesielski.
0:06:17 > 0:06:22The story was that he had this group of thugs around him.
0:06:22 > 0:06:26They came from broken homes, they had left school early.
0:06:27 > 0:06:31These kids were in trouble from, basically, the day they were born.
0:06:37 > 0:06:40LSD had entered the picture, and on one of these occasions,
0:06:40 > 0:06:45this party is going on and we're just drinking Coke or something,
0:06:45 > 0:06:46and then all of a sudden,
0:06:46 > 0:06:50I start feeling like I'm getting high
0:06:50 > 0:06:54until I realised I am actually high on LSD.
0:06:58 > 0:07:03So I started looking for a corner, somewhere where I could hide...
0:07:04 > 0:07:08..and then I stumble on something, and it's Saevar,
0:07:08 > 0:07:13and then he tells me somebody must have put LSD in my drink.
0:07:13 > 0:07:17So we were just going to hang on to each other through this.
0:07:19 > 0:07:24We talked about our view of life, innermost pain,
0:07:24 > 0:07:28everything there was to know about each other.
0:07:32 > 0:07:38I felt like I had met one of the most incredible human beings ever...
0:07:39 > 0:07:42..and he felt the same way, you know.
0:07:46 > 0:07:52After that night, there was no other way to go forward but together.
0:09:26 > 0:09:29The weather changes very quickly here in Iceland.
0:09:30 > 0:09:33Sometimes you have a good sunny day in the morning,
0:09:33 > 0:09:35but at noon you have heavy snow.
0:09:38 > 0:09:43Some people don't understand how quickly the weather changes,
0:09:43 > 0:09:44and get lost.
0:09:46 > 0:09:50Gudmundur disappeared on Saturday night, 27th of January...
0:09:52 > 0:09:59..and on Tuesday, there was a big call for rescue teams for a search.
0:10:01 > 0:10:07There was about 200 people looking, and we searched until dark.
0:10:13 > 0:10:17At that time, there was no thought about this was a crime,
0:10:17 > 0:10:22or something like that, because in those days it happened very often
0:10:22 > 0:10:25that people got lost in the lava.
0:10:49 > 0:10:53It was a nice summer. Good weather for weeks on end.
0:11:06 > 0:11:10My family was very upset about my relationship with Saevar,
0:11:10 > 0:11:13because they had been told that he was, you know,
0:11:13 > 0:11:16a dangerous guy because he was selling drugs...
0:11:19 > 0:11:23..and so I was out of my relationship with my family
0:11:23 > 0:11:24because of him,
0:11:24 > 0:11:29and he did have a hold on me.
0:11:29 > 0:11:35I felt privileged to be considered OK by him.
0:11:37 > 0:11:41Saevar had this desire to commit some kind of a crime
0:11:41 > 0:11:43that he would get away with
0:11:43 > 0:11:46and leave authorities just tearing their hair out
0:11:46 > 0:11:48cos they couldn't prove anything.
0:11:50 > 0:11:52As I was working for the telephone company,
0:11:52 > 0:11:56I came up with this embezzlement that we eventually committed.
0:12:00 > 0:12:04What we had to do was tamper with the telephones
0:12:04 > 0:12:07to make it sound like we were calling long-distance.
0:12:09 > 0:12:13I called the office where I worked and I said, "I have a postal order,"
0:12:13 > 0:12:16and so it gets processed,
0:12:16 > 0:12:21and sent from there to the main post office downtown...
0:12:26 > 0:12:28..and then I go to the post office
0:12:28 > 0:12:31and I tell them I'm here to pick up the postal order.
0:12:34 > 0:12:36I was so scared.
0:12:36 > 0:12:39I felt like, "I'm going to get caught."
0:12:54 > 0:12:59The amount that we embezzled was just under a million krona...
0:13:04 > 0:13:09..and I became pretty confident that they would never find out.
0:13:09 > 0:13:11"Boy, are they going to be pissed off!
0:13:11 > 0:13:13"We got 'em!"
0:13:36 > 0:13:39That whole chain of events
0:13:39 > 0:13:41was so mysterious
0:13:41 > 0:13:43that we immediately thought,
0:13:43 > 0:13:46"This is a murder inquiry."
0:13:58 > 0:14:02Witnesses remember that a man came into the cafe
0:14:02 > 0:14:04and he asked to use the phone.
0:14:05 > 0:14:10This was about the same time as Geirfinnur got his phone call.
0:14:10 > 0:14:11PHONE RINGS
0:14:11 > 0:14:13Hallo?
0:14:13 > 0:14:17HE SPEAKS IN ICELANDIC
0:14:22 > 0:14:23Ja?
0:15:35 > 0:15:39He was a good man, had no enemies.
0:15:39 > 0:15:43It was unlike him to disappear like that.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50There were searching teams all over.
0:15:50 > 0:15:54The dogs, the divers in the harbour, everything was done.
0:16:05 > 0:16:10An artist in Keflavik came up with an idea to make a clay statue
0:16:10 > 0:16:16of the suspect, and the reaction was overwhelming in the whole society.
0:16:28 > 0:16:32No body was found, so we were totally at a blank end.
0:16:42 > 0:16:44Very early on,
0:16:44 > 0:16:46I got the sense that something going on here
0:16:46 > 0:16:48that's not going to end well.
0:16:50 > 0:16:54Ah... And it turned out, didn't end well.
0:17:09 > 0:17:14Our daughter was born here in Reykjavik
0:17:14 > 0:17:17on the 24th of September, 1975.
0:17:18 > 0:17:23Saevar was present at the birth, and very excited.
0:17:24 > 0:17:26After she was born,
0:17:26 > 0:17:29I had one focus in my life,
0:17:29 > 0:17:33and that was to be a perfect mother for this child.
0:17:33 > 0:17:36I would sacrifice anything -
0:17:36 > 0:17:41and I was really upset with Saevar's way of life at that point.
0:17:41 > 0:17:44I had told him, "I don't want this any more.
0:17:44 > 0:17:50"I just want to have a normal life in the daylight, nothing to hide."
0:17:51 > 0:17:56I was 20 years old, and I was so naive.
0:17:58 > 0:18:01Saevar and his friends were known to the police.
0:18:01 > 0:18:08They were part of some kind of a criminal underworld.
0:18:09 > 0:18:15Most of them had been in prison for petty crime, thievery.
0:18:15 > 0:18:17They were violent.
0:18:20 > 0:18:22This was a nasty group of kids.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36When they came to arrest me,
0:18:36 > 0:18:41they surrounded this big building as if they were arresting terrorists.
0:18:43 > 0:18:46All I could do was call my sister.
0:18:46 > 0:18:50So she came around and took the baby.
0:18:53 > 0:18:55I remember getting in a car.
0:19:00 > 0:19:04Glimpses where I'm just really scared...
0:19:04 > 0:19:06and I remember trying to tell them
0:19:06 > 0:19:09I can't be here for a long time, because the baby needs me.
0:19:12 > 0:19:15They took me to this prison...
0:19:17 > 0:19:20..and then I was locked up in this cell.
0:19:31 > 0:19:33The next day, they spoke to me
0:19:33 > 0:19:39and explained that I was now going to be held in custody for 30 days
0:19:39 > 0:19:41on suspicion of the embezzlement.
0:19:45 > 0:19:49I just broke down and couldn't handle that reality.
0:19:49 > 0:19:50What about the baby?
0:19:56 > 0:19:59And then they just sent me back to my cell
0:19:59 > 0:20:02and then left me there for six days and nights.
0:20:09 > 0:20:13During the questioning about the embezzlement,
0:20:13 > 0:20:16they told me that Saevar had been very clear
0:20:16 > 0:20:21that I had been entirely on my own doing that,
0:20:21 > 0:20:25and they told me, "You need to realise that Saevar
0:20:25 > 0:20:29"is a really rotten human being to the core.
0:20:30 > 0:20:33"There is no redemption for him."
0:20:35 > 0:20:37I was really shocked
0:20:37 > 0:20:39that Saevar would betray me that way,
0:20:39 > 0:20:43but he had betrayed me in terms of other girls,
0:20:43 > 0:20:47so it was easier for me to believe them.
0:20:50 > 0:20:54Eventually, I decided to tell them everything,
0:20:54 > 0:20:57not just the embezzlement,
0:20:57 > 0:21:00but anything illegal that I was aware of.
0:21:02 > 0:21:05And what a relief!
0:21:06 > 0:21:11It was the end of an era and a beginning of a life.
0:21:13 > 0:21:16These guys had actually helped me.
0:21:27 > 0:21:30And then one of them says, "Oh, by the way,
0:21:30 > 0:21:32"one other thing we want to ask you.
0:21:32 > 0:21:35"Do you know a guy by the name of Gudmundur Einarsson?"
0:21:35 > 0:21:38And then he shows me a photograph.
0:21:39 > 0:21:41I said, "Yeah, I've seen this guy.
0:21:41 > 0:21:45"Years ago at my girlfriend's house, she had a school party.
0:21:45 > 0:21:48"I remember him because he was a really nice guy" -
0:21:48 > 0:21:50and that was it.
0:21:50 > 0:21:51"Are you sure?"
0:21:51 > 0:21:54"Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember ever seeing him after that."
0:21:54 > 0:21:55THEY SPEAK IN ICELANDIC
0:22:06 > 0:22:10During that case, I think it was Erla who started to tell them
0:22:10 > 0:22:15about things that had happened the year before.
0:22:16 > 0:22:18This was a long questioning.
0:22:18 > 0:22:20It was hours -
0:22:20 > 0:22:24and during that whole process they got closer and closer
0:22:24 > 0:22:29to talking about the weekend when this boy disappeared.
0:22:29 > 0:22:34Somehow it got down to me telling them that I had had a nightmare.
0:22:40 > 0:22:43The weather that night was crazy.
0:22:45 > 0:22:48It would just howl like a wolf.
0:23:05 > 0:23:11In an old house like that, you feel like the house is moving.
0:23:18 > 0:23:20Then I hear some whispering.
0:23:23 > 0:23:25There were people outside my window...
0:23:27 > 0:23:30..and these were violent people..
0:23:30 > 0:23:33and I became aware that they're whispering,
0:23:33 > 0:23:35wondering if I'm awake or not.
0:23:36 > 0:23:40I feel like I'm in this corner - I can't go anywhere...
0:23:41 > 0:23:44..and then I wake up.
0:23:56 > 0:23:59After all this questioning,
0:23:59 > 0:24:04the chief of the investigation leans over and he says,
0:24:04 > 0:24:08"Something terrible happened that night in that apartment,
0:24:08 > 0:24:10"you witnessed it,
0:24:10 > 0:24:14"and you cannot recall because of the trauma it caused you.
0:24:14 > 0:24:18"So what we want to do now is you go back to your cell
0:24:18 > 0:24:21"and you try as much as you can to remember,
0:24:21 > 0:24:24"and then we will be back and talk about it some more."
0:24:45 > 0:24:48I remember lying there thinking about that night.
0:24:50 > 0:24:53My head was full of pictures...
0:24:55 > 0:24:57..and I wondered,
0:24:57 > 0:25:01"Was that nightmare maybe something that really did happen?"
0:25:05 > 0:25:08That I woke up...
0:25:11 > 0:25:14..got out of bed...
0:25:16 > 0:25:18..and saw them.
0:25:24 > 0:25:29I saw Saevar and Kristjan and a third person I didn't recognise,
0:25:29 > 0:25:30carrying something heavy.
0:25:31 > 0:25:35I didn't see what was in the sheet, but I was sure that it was a body.
0:25:40 > 0:25:41I couldn't move.
0:25:41 > 0:25:46I was cold, but at the same time I felt like I was sweating.
0:25:47 > 0:25:51Later, Saevar took me by the arms and put me to bed.
0:25:52 > 0:25:55I said I was going to deny everything.
0:26:04 > 0:26:08Gudmundur disappears in January '74,
0:26:08 > 0:26:11and she made this confession December '75.
0:26:11 > 0:26:13So it's already two years.
0:26:15 > 0:26:20We searched the flat but there was not much evidence on the scene.
0:26:21 > 0:26:24No DNA, nothing of the sort.
0:26:27 > 0:26:29PHONE RINGS
0:26:33 > 0:26:36Hallo?
0:26:36 > 0:26:40After I was released, they called me and they tell me,
0:26:40 > 0:26:42"We have questioned Saevar..."
0:26:42 > 0:26:43Hm.
0:26:45 > 0:26:47"..and we just want to let you know
0:26:47 > 0:26:52"that his testimony is in line with yours in detail."
0:26:59 > 0:27:02December 22, 1975.
0:27:02 > 0:27:05Saevar said that Gudmundur, Kristjan and Tryggvi
0:27:05 > 0:27:11had all come to the apartment during the night in late January 1974.
0:27:11 > 0:27:14An argument had ended in Gudmundur's death.
0:27:16 > 0:27:18Saevar had called his friend Albert
0:27:18 > 0:27:22and asked him to come in his father's car.
0:27:22 > 0:27:25It was half past 11 in the evening.
0:27:25 > 0:27:29Kristjan called and he said, "They are accusing me of murder."
0:27:31 > 0:27:35Kristjan then met the other guys, and something had happened.
0:27:37 > 0:27:40I can't clearly remember the events of that night...
0:27:41 > 0:27:44..I was under the influence of alcohol...
0:27:44 > 0:27:47but all I'm going to tell you, I think I remember with certainty.
0:27:49 > 0:27:53There was a fight in the apartment, and I'm sure I took no part in it.
0:27:55 > 0:27:57There was some disagreement,
0:27:57 > 0:28:01I'm sure between Kristjan and the man with no name.
0:28:03 > 0:28:08It started by them cursing each other, but ended in a fight.
0:28:08 > 0:28:13Then the man hit me and I think I hit him, and he fell to the floor.
0:28:13 > 0:28:16Then I saw Saevar kick him in the head.
0:28:25 > 0:28:28The next thing I remember is that Albert's car was at the house.
0:28:28 > 0:28:32Saevar, Kristjan and Tryggvi approached the vehicle.
0:28:33 > 0:28:37I saw that all three carried something that look like a bag.
0:28:38 > 0:28:41Saevar told me where to drive.
0:28:44 > 0:28:48On the way back, Saevar and I discussed what was in the bag.
0:28:48 > 0:28:52Saevar then clearly told me that it contained a corpse.
0:28:56 > 0:28:59The police had told me that when they were trying
0:28:59 > 0:29:02to figure out what had been done with the body,
0:29:02 > 0:29:05they had to cut it all up into pieces
0:29:05 > 0:29:07and carry it out in plastic bags.
0:29:09 > 0:29:11My mind was getting really worked,
0:29:11 > 0:29:13and it felt to me like all this had
0:29:13 > 0:29:16been going on with me completely unaware,
0:29:16 > 0:29:19and that these guys had been butchers of people.
0:29:23 > 0:29:28I was picturing him when he's holding the baby...
0:29:28 > 0:29:31The smile was just an act, or...
0:29:31 > 0:29:33Everything.
0:29:33 > 0:29:36Everything becomes questionable.
0:30:16 > 0:30:20The next thing that happened is in early 1976.
0:30:20 > 0:30:25Police is still investigating Saevar and Erla about Gudmundur.
0:30:25 > 0:30:27They mention also Geirfinnur.
0:30:33 > 0:30:35The police always stayed in touch with me...
0:30:37 > 0:30:42..and with my social situation where I was so isolated,
0:30:42 > 0:30:46these were the only friends in the world that I had,
0:30:46 > 0:30:49and they became very important to me...
0:30:49 > 0:30:50and at some point,
0:30:50 > 0:30:54the talk starts getting to the disappearance of Geirfinnur...
0:30:55 > 0:30:58..and he asked me point blank,
0:30:58 > 0:31:01"Do you think that Saevar knows something
0:31:01 > 0:31:02"about what happened to him?"
0:31:10 > 0:31:13The thing about Geirfinnur was that he was never found,
0:31:13 > 0:31:16so it was suspicious from the start.
0:31:18 > 0:31:22Then they started some rumours and some conspiracy theories.
0:31:23 > 0:31:25There was all these rumours going on
0:31:25 > 0:31:27that there might have been connection
0:31:27 > 0:31:29between the disappearance of Geirfinnur
0:31:29 > 0:31:33and people running a particular discotheque.
0:31:33 > 0:31:36There was always a lot of smuggled alcohol around then.
0:31:36 > 0:31:39The rumour was that some of the clubs
0:31:39 > 0:31:42would get their alcohol from that source...
0:31:44 > 0:31:49..so, maybe this guy Geirfinnur got caught up in smuggling.
0:31:54 > 0:31:58We drove from the city and headed to Keflavik.
0:31:59 > 0:32:04Saevar held my hand the whole time, like he didn't want to let go.
0:32:07 > 0:32:09The car stopped close to the sea.
0:32:22 > 0:32:27Basically, Geirfinnur had been hired to pick up big plastic containers
0:32:27 > 0:32:30of alcohol that were being smuggled into the country...
0:32:39 > 0:32:42..and then there had been a quarrel,
0:32:42 > 0:32:45and he had died because of all of that.
0:33:13 > 0:33:15For the village of Iceland,
0:33:15 > 0:33:17this was - you know, this was shocking.
0:33:18 > 0:33:24It was the biggest story to hit the population for years and years.
0:33:32 > 0:33:36The perception was that this was organised crime
0:33:36 > 0:33:39tied in with people in the highest places.
0:33:39 > 0:33:43The gossip was that the Progressive Party
0:33:43 > 0:33:47had been involved in all the smuggling.
0:33:47 > 0:33:51And the chairman of the Progressive Party was the Minister of Justice,
0:33:51 > 0:33:53so this was a big scandal.
0:34:16 > 0:34:17It was really the beginning of...
0:34:17 > 0:34:20I would call it public hysteria.
0:34:20 > 0:34:26We had a killer gang amongst us, two times murderers.
0:34:26 > 0:34:28Where was the police?
0:34:28 > 0:34:30How could this have happened?
0:34:30 > 0:34:33And of course in this little close-knit community,
0:34:33 > 0:34:35everyone was talking about this.
0:34:35 > 0:34:42What's really going on in this kind of society?
0:34:42 > 0:34:47In a way, we lost our innocence, we lost our security -
0:34:47 > 0:34:52and all of a sudden the big bad world was knocking at our door.
0:35:00 > 0:35:05Then in early May '76, all of the sudden these four men are released.
0:35:05 > 0:35:10Turns out that the investigation produced nothing.
0:35:10 > 0:35:13Saevar and the gang, they made up this story.
0:35:13 > 0:35:16It took the police three months to figure out that this was..
0:35:17 > 0:35:20..all the time was a total lie.
0:35:25 > 0:35:28During the summer of 1976,
0:35:28 > 0:35:32I was a detective with that same force investigating these two cases.
0:35:34 > 0:35:37What I saw is that the police were under incredible pressure
0:35:37 > 0:35:39to solve these cases.
0:35:49 > 0:35:54The atmosphere was tense, like a panic.
0:35:54 > 0:35:57The message that was being communicated
0:35:57 > 0:35:59was all of these people,
0:35:59 > 0:36:03they're playing games, they're not cooperating.
0:36:03 > 0:36:06The police was in a very, very bad situation.
0:36:06 > 0:36:09Even after they have confessed killing Geirfinnur,
0:36:09 > 0:36:12they are still changing their story about how he died...
0:36:18 > 0:36:21..and the police didn't have the bodies.
0:36:21 > 0:36:25They had only the statements from these people.
0:36:27 > 0:36:29HE SHOUTS IN ICELANDIC
0:36:37 > 0:36:41Saevar put the rifle in my hands and stood next to me.
0:36:42 > 0:36:45I was so close to the guy that I could see his face.
0:36:46 > 0:36:49He seemed to realise what was happening to him,
0:36:49 > 0:36:52and there was panic in his eyes.
0:37:05 > 0:37:09The investigation had been going on for a long time.
0:37:09 > 0:37:13It didn't seem to be going very well.
0:37:15 > 0:37:19The police had not experienced a case like that.
0:37:19 > 0:37:21I mean, two murders.
0:37:23 > 0:37:25The public was demanding
0:37:25 > 0:37:28that the police would come up with a solution.
0:37:28 > 0:37:30Find the guilty persons.
0:37:30 > 0:37:33The minister of justice is getting anxious.
0:37:33 > 0:37:35He's responsible for the whole thing,
0:37:35 > 0:37:43so he uses his influence, and soon after, this guy Schutz shows up.
0:37:43 > 0:37:47He was head of the West German security police.
0:37:48 > 0:37:53We thought, "Well, this seems to be, you know, the real McCoy."
0:37:55 > 0:37:59Karl Schutz sets up a task force of seven police officers,
0:37:59 > 0:38:03and there were three interpreters, and the investigating judge -
0:38:03 > 0:38:06and he was quite a hard task master.
0:38:08 > 0:38:12The focus was very much, "We've got to find the bodies."
0:38:13 > 0:38:16There were an enormous amount of searches
0:38:16 > 0:38:19for Gudmundur and Geirfinnur's bodies.
0:38:25 > 0:38:29Karl Schutz spent months studying the case
0:38:29 > 0:38:31and trying to understand it...
0:38:37 > 0:38:42..and he was also interviewing the suspects through an interpreter.
0:38:44 > 0:38:46The focus was on who was the driver
0:38:46 > 0:38:50who took the gang to meet Geirfinnur.
0:38:51 > 0:38:56They had to find somebody who could have driven the car,
0:38:56 > 0:38:59and somebody they all knew,
0:38:59 > 0:39:02and there was I.
0:39:14 > 0:39:17Gudjon was different to the others.
0:39:17 > 0:39:18He was older.
0:39:18 > 0:39:24He was a much more educated man and he came from a good background,
0:39:24 > 0:39:28and he said he had been there.
0:39:29 > 0:39:34It was a confession that was used to convict the others.
0:39:46 > 0:39:48The three of us fought with Geirfinnur
0:39:48 > 0:39:50and that resulted in his death.
0:39:55 > 0:39:57I don't remember the body being put in the car,
0:39:57 > 0:40:00but on the way back to Reykjavik,
0:40:00 > 0:40:03I remember Saevar saying that I was an accomplice to murder.
0:40:09 > 0:40:12We transferred the body to Reykjavik -
0:40:12 > 0:40:14of course took it in other cars
0:40:14 > 0:40:16so it would never be found.
0:40:31 > 0:40:34Erla waited while we carried the body into the Land Rover
0:40:34 > 0:40:36and put him in the back.
0:40:40 > 0:40:43We then drove all the way to Raudholar.
0:40:47 > 0:40:51We dug a hole into the red gravel just big enough to fit the body.
0:41:46 > 0:41:51State radio calls up the Prime Minister to get his reaction.
0:41:51 > 0:41:53He says the nightmare is over.
0:42:59 > 0:43:02The public just wanted our blood.
0:43:03 > 0:43:08There was so much pressure on authorities to convict all of us
0:43:08 > 0:43:10and get us really good,
0:43:10 > 0:43:15and there was no-one that actually did not believe all this.
0:43:47 > 0:43:51Now the accused had the opportunity to present their cases,
0:43:51 > 0:43:56and they did. What they said was that they were innocent.
0:43:57 > 0:44:00There was a lack of evidence,
0:44:00 > 0:44:02there were no bodies,
0:44:02 > 0:44:05and the whole case was nonsense -
0:44:05 > 0:44:11but even though they were withdrawing their testimonies,
0:44:11 > 0:44:16people believed they had killed those two men, end of story.
0:44:18 > 0:44:21I was found guilty of the embezzlement, of course,
0:44:21 > 0:44:27and perjury, that I had intentionally framed innocent people
0:44:27 > 0:44:29for something they didn't do.
0:45:28 > 0:45:33In the end, the police arrested the right people in both cases.
0:45:40 > 0:45:42It was always with the feeling
0:45:42 > 0:45:45that he was some sort of a Satanic criminal,
0:45:45 > 0:45:48and I was supposed to have been
0:45:48 > 0:45:51this submissive but monstrous person, as well.
0:45:53 > 0:45:56The image that we were given
0:45:56 > 0:46:00was very much like Charles Manson and his girlfriend.
0:46:06 > 0:46:09The Minister of Justice thanks Karl Schutz
0:46:09 > 0:46:13"for unburdening the Icelandic nation of a nightmare."
0:46:13 > 0:46:18Obviously, the Minister of Justice was assuming, case solved.
0:46:18 > 0:46:23What he didn't say - "This is the beginning of an endless nightmare,
0:46:23 > 0:46:25"and this nightmare is still going to this day."
0:46:33 > 0:46:37I don't think I had a clear thought for years through all this.
0:46:38 > 0:46:45I felt like I was drowning in so much confusion and so much guilt.
0:46:48 > 0:46:53Your thoughts can take over, and your mind becomes a monster.
0:46:57 > 0:46:58"What of this am I remembering...
0:47:00 > 0:47:03"..and what is missing that I'm not remembering?"
0:47:10 > 0:47:11Memory is such a fickle thing.
0:47:26 > 0:47:28The day I got out,
0:47:28 > 0:47:30all I could think was, "My daughter's on the other side."
0:47:32 > 0:47:36Man, I had prepared for days, you know, to look right,
0:47:36 > 0:47:39and, you know, have the right things to say...
0:47:41 > 0:47:47..and she had this bouquet of flowers, and...
0:47:48 > 0:47:51..it was the happiest day ever.
0:47:56 > 0:48:02When I was released, I was basically two things -
0:48:02 > 0:48:05I provoked curiosity, and I was despised...
0:48:06 > 0:48:10..and people felt free to express it,
0:48:10 > 0:48:13like spitting in my face.
0:48:19 > 0:48:24The first time Saevar and I ever talked about what had happened...
0:48:26 > 0:48:30..it was literally that kind of moment, like,
0:48:30 > 0:48:32"What the hell happened to us?"
0:48:32 > 0:48:34You know, "What was it all about?"
0:48:40 > 0:48:45He went through years of anger...
0:48:45 > 0:48:48blaming me for everything...
0:48:50 > 0:48:54..and I went through incredible guilt
0:48:54 > 0:48:58for having testified against him.
0:49:02 > 0:49:06There were so many years where we just couldn't...
0:49:06 > 0:49:10connect, and it had so much to do with, you know...
0:49:10 > 0:49:16Our relationship had been invaded by such dark powers.
0:49:32 > 0:49:36It was very difficult to be Saevar Ciesielski here in Iceland,
0:49:36 > 0:49:38in this small society.
0:49:40 > 0:49:43He somehow became the evil
0:49:43 > 0:49:46for, like, I don't know, 90% of the Icelanders.
0:49:46 > 0:49:49Just evil incarnate.
0:49:53 > 0:49:57When Saevar came out of prison,
0:49:57 > 0:50:00he met a girl, and they lived together,
0:50:00 > 0:50:02and they had two children,
0:50:02 > 0:50:04and they even moved to America.
0:50:06 > 0:50:11We tried to move to Colorado, and just start a new, you know,
0:50:11 > 0:50:15family there, away from all this drama,
0:50:15 > 0:50:17but he really could not let it go.
0:50:17 > 0:50:20He wanted to clear his name.
0:50:22 > 0:50:25We decided to go back to Iceland.
0:50:25 > 0:50:27Then he started to...
0:50:28 > 0:50:31..you know, really try to fight this case.
0:51:29 > 0:51:31I collected the information of documents,
0:51:31 > 0:51:35trying to understand what had happened,
0:51:35 > 0:51:39the evidence of the case itself.
0:51:39 > 0:51:41I saw the flaws.
0:51:41 > 0:51:43They were so obvious.
0:51:45 > 0:51:47Usually, in murder cases,
0:51:47 > 0:51:50you have the place where the crime was committed,
0:51:50 > 0:51:54you have bodies, you have motives.
0:51:56 > 0:52:00They had no such traditional evidence at all.
0:52:01 > 0:52:06They only had the statements made by the accused themselves.
0:52:16 > 0:52:19My legal arguments were quite tight...
0:52:20 > 0:52:24..and the facts were all in favour of reopening the case.
0:52:25 > 0:52:28I presented all this to the Supreme Court.
0:53:38 > 0:53:40APPLAUSE
0:53:40 > 0:53:44He had a lot of support already at that time.
0:53:44 > 0:53:47People were obviously not believing
0:53:47 > 0:53:50in the correctness of the conclusions of the courts.
0:54:11 > 0:54:16I saw a lot of Saevar after he lost his battle.
0:54:16 > 0:54:19He had put his entire existence into this,
0:54:19 > 0:54:23and, you know, where was he going to go from there?
0:54:25 > 0:54:27I mean, in his world, there were no options.
0:54:29 > 0:54:34I always knew there was something really dark and bad
0:54:34 > 0:54:36that happened to my father.
0:54:37 > 0:54:41Years and years of trying to fight the system,
0:54:41 > 0:54:44and that, in the end, just tore him apart completely.
0:54:45 > 0:54:49Many people knew Saevar only from the streets.
0:54:49 > 0:54:52He was a heavy drinker, a broken man.
0:54:55 > 0:54:58He was a famous man by that time,
0:54:58 > 0:55:01and people were kind of mellowing towards him.
0:55:03 > 0:55:06He still had this charm.
0:55:06 > 0:55:08He might be drunk and drugged,
0:55:08 > 0:55:12but he always, or usually, kept his charm.
0:55:12 > 0:55:15But of course, it was very, very sad.
0:55:51 > 0:55:55He was really emotional in the end about this whole thing,
0:55:55 > 0:55:59and it was pretty hard to watch that happen,
0:55:59 > 0:56:02you know, in slow motion in front of you.
0:56:10 > 0:56:13Everybody had followed Saevar's journey...
0:56:14 > 0:56:19..because he fought many battles to prove his innocence,
0:56:19 > 0:56:21with no results.
0:56:25 > 0:56:28His funeral was held at the cathedral downtown,
0:56:28 > 0:56:31and it was totally packed,
0:56:31 > 0:56:34from the street people to politicians.
0:56:45 > 0:56:48When he died, it hit the news.
0:56:48 > 0:56:52His relatives, Erla, and his children,
0:56:52 > 0:56:58came forward and talked about this case, talked about his battles,
0:56:58 > 0:57:06and pushed that this case should be reopened and reinvestigated.
0:57:09 > 0:57:13That's when I thought maybe I should do something about it.
0:57:15 > 0:57:18As a reporter, when you look at this case,
0:57:18 > 0:57:23you're warned that you might be stepping into a black hole -
0:57:23 > 0:57:28and once you look into it, you just can't stop.
0:57:31 > 0:57:36I had filmed a couple of interviews with people related to this case,
0:57:36 > 0:57:40and then I decided to speak to Tryggvi's widow.
0:57:41 > 0:57:46My mum called me and said that there was this woman from the news
0:57:46 > 0:57:51coming to interview her regarding my dad's case,
0:57:51 > 0:57:54and asked if I wanted to come and be with them.
0:57:58 > 0:58:04There was something in my mind that said that this could be useful,
0:58:04 > 0:58:11because I didn't want my dad to be remembered as a murderer.
0:58:18 > 0:58:21When we arrived, his daughter was there, Kristin,
0:58:21 > 0:58:26and she said, "I have something you might be interested in.
0:58:26 > 0:58:31"I have my father's diaries from when he was in prison."
0:58:31 > 0:58:34I just wanted her to see them,
0:58:34 > 0:58:37and I didn't think it would have any more meaning than that.
0:58:37 > 0:58:41I just wanted her to see something from my dad.
0:58:41 > 0:58:43A piece of him.
0:58:45 > 0:58:50When she showed me the diaries, there was a long title.
0:58:51 > 0:58:52It read,
0:58:52 > 0:58:56"This is the diary of an innocent man
0:58:56 > 0:59:02"who is accused of a very serious thing in a very serious case."
0:59:03 > 0:59:06"April 25th, 1977.
0:59:06 > 0:59:10"So, now, I have been here continuously for 16 months
0:59:10 > 0:59:12"and 11 days in custody,
0:59:12 > 0:59:16"including 14 months in isolation, totally alone.
0:59:20 > 0:59:22"I shall hold fast.
0:59:22 > 0:59:24"I don't have to be afraid,
0:59:24 > 0:59:28"as I'm innocent, and justice always prevails in the end."
0:59:34 > 0:59:36I realised at that point...
0:59:37 > 0:59:40..we had something new.
0:59:40 > 0:59:43We had something to report on.
0:59:43 > 0:59:47So, I thought we would have to get a specialist's opinion.
0:59:51 > 0:59:57Gisli Gudjonsson is a world-leading expert on false confessions.
0:59:57 > 1:00:02An Icelander who has practised in the UK for 40 years.
1:00:04 > 1:00:07I was thinking, the diaries, they need to go to Gisli.
1:00:07 > 1:00:09He is the person.
1:00:09 > 1:00:12If anybody should see them, it's got to be him...
1:00:13 > 1:00:15..but I was so nervous.
1:00:15 > 1:00:19I was afraid that Gisli would say that...
1:00:21 > 1:00:25..even though he wrote that he was an innocent man, maybe he wasn't.
1:00:31 > 1:00:33I could not say from reading the diaries,
1:00:33 > 1:00:37this man is innocent or not, because it's not for me to say -
1:00:37 > 1:00:42but he was stating his innocence and explaining why,
1:00:42 > 1:00:45and that suggested that this was new material,
1:00:45 > 1:00:48and I thought the case should be reviewed again.
1:00:51 > 1:00:57The key implication was that perhaps the confessions were not reliable.
1:01:02 > 1:01:05I was so relieved.
1:01:05 > 1:01:09That was the biggest scoop.
1:01:20 > 1:01:25My story was broadcast, and it got massive attention -
1:01:25 > 1:01:28and I think in the same week,
1:01:28 > 1:01:32the ministry announced that the investigation committee
1:01:32 > 1:01:34would be established.
1:01:34 > 1:01:37I decided to put down a commission
1:01:37 > 1:01:42to look into the investigation, and the methods used
1:01:42 > 1:01:44in the investigation,
1:01:44 > 1:01:48and how these confessions were obtained.
1:01:58 > 1:02:02We went through thousands of pages.
1:02:02 > 1:02:05Police reports, handwritten notes from the police,
1:02:05 > 1:02:08reports taken from prison guards.
1:02:10 > 1:02:14It was quite obvious when we looked into the prison diaries
1:02:14 > 1:02:16that many records were missing.
1:02:17 > 1:02:21The convicted had a lack of access to their attorneys,
1:02:21 > 1:02:25and they were interrogated many, many times more often
1:02:25 > 1:02:28than the police reports indicated.
1:02:30 > 1:02:32Saevar, for example -
1:02:32 > 1:02:38he had been interrogated 180 times for 340 hours.
1:02:39 > 1:02:44He had been in solitary for 615 days.
1:02:47 > 1:02:51Erla was interrogated 105 times.
1:02:57 > 1:03:02Tryggvi was kept in solitary for the longest -
1:03:02 > 1:03:04for 655 days total.
1:03:06 > 1:03:12It became very clear to us that many things were going seriously wrong
1:03:12 > 1:03:13under the investigation.
1:03:37 > 1:03:40The key findings of the commission
1:03:40 > 1:03:45were that these confessions
1:03:45 > 1:03:48were in all likelihood fabricated.
1:03:48 > 1:03:53People had been admitting to something they didn't do.
1:03:53 > 1:03:57I have never worked on a case, anywhere in the world,
1:03:57 > 1:04:00where there'd been so many interrogations,
1:04:00 > 1:04:02and such lengthy interrogations.
1:04:02 > 1:04:03This is quite exceptional.
1:04:07 > 1:04:11This is the only case I know of where so many individuals
1:04:11 > 1:04:14have had their memories distorted to this extent.
1:04:17 > 1:04:22Five of the six had what I call a memory distrust syndrome.
1:04:24 > 1:04:26The person begins to think,
1:04:26 > 1:04:29"Maybe something did happen, and I didn't remember it."
1:04:32 > 1:04:35When I read the report,
1:04:35 > 1:04:39I was really faced with how incredibly unreliable memory is.
1:04:44 > 1:04:47"What of this am I remembering..."
1:04:57 > 1:05:00"..and what is missing that I'm not remembering?
1:05:03 > 1:05:06This whole thing starts with a confession...
1:05:07 > 1:05:10..where Erla was under no pressure at all.
1:05:12 > 1:05:16It's she that tells them that they were involved
1:05:16 > 1:05:18in the killing of Gudmundur.
1:05:20 > 1:05:22The police had been explaining
1:05:22 > 1:05:25that often when people experience something
1:05:25 > 1:05:27that is too much for them to handle,
1:05:27 > 1:05:32they bury it somewhere, and they cannot recall it...
1:05:32 > 1:05:33and they said,
1:05:33 > 1:05:38"We know how to help you remember if you did witness something terrible."
1:05:58 > 1:06:01They formed a crack in my mind...
1:06:02 > 1:06:06..and then they just got in there, and worked on it...
1:06:23 > 1:06:24..and that was my horror -
1:06:24 > 1:06:27to face the possibility
1:06:27 > 1:06:32that Saevar would have resorted to cutting up a human being.
1:06:37 > 1:06:42Through all this exchange, this story came out.
1:06:42 > 1:06:45Almost like a genie, you know, or something -
1:06:45 > 1:06:51and for a long time, I asked myself, "Who made that story?"
1:06:51 > 1:06:57Did I make it, or...? How did that, you know, transpire?
1:06:57 > 1:07:00At the time that Erla was questioned...
1:07:01 > 1:07:06..in the Gudmundur case, she was a very vulnerable person.
1:07:06 > 1:07:10It is likely that the police officers
1:07:10 > 1:07:12had, in their own mind, a scenario
1:07:12 > 1:07:16of what had happened to Gudmundur Einarsson,
1:07:16 > 1:07:18and over time,
1:07:18 > 1:07:22Erla began to believe that maybe Saevar and his friends
1:07:22 > 1:07:24HAD been involved.
1:07:26 > 1:07:30Once she began to express doubt in her own memory,
1:07:30 > 1:07:32the police went for it.
1:07:33 > 1:07:34DOORBELL RINGS
1:07:39 > 1:07:42Now, the police were going to come after me
1:07:42 > 1:07:44about what happened to Geirfinnur.
1:07:51 > 1:07:54In one version, Saevar had hit him with a wooden log,
1:07:54 > 1:07:57another time, he had kicked him in the head,
1:07:57 > 1:08:01and Kristjan had done it, and it was all over the place...
1:08:09 > 1:08:12..and then they had a warrant for my arrest.
1:08:17 > 1:08:21At that point, I felt so guilty...
1:08:22 > 1:08:27..and I was so responsible for ruining so many people's lives...
1:08:28 > 1:08:35..that...it was not too much for me to take it on me.
1:08:35 > 1:08:36GUNSHOT
1:09:01 > 1:09:06The police were faced with a huge dilemma.
1:09:06 > 1:09:10They had confessions, but they had no substance.
1:09:10 > 1:09:14There was nothing tangible that came out of those interrogations...
1:09:15 > 1:09:19..and the country wanted an answer.
1:09:19 > 1:09:22What happened to Geirfinnur Einarsson?
1:09:33 > 1:09:37To come to Sidumuli Prison,
1:09:37 > 1:09:41when the cases of Gudmundur and Geirfinnur started...
1:09:41 > 1:09:43it was another world.
1:09:47 > 1:09:49The atmosphere in Sidumuli
1:09:49 > 1:09:52was very intense.
1:09:53 > 1:09:59The attitude amongst the guards and the policemen
1:09:59 > 1:10:03was that these people were murderers.
1:10:03 > 1:10:06The more pressure, the sooner they would confess.
1:10:10 > 1:10:13The guards despised Saevar.
1:10:13 > 1:10:16They called him "the rat."
1:10:19 > 1:10:25The one thing to break him down was to rid him of sleep.
1:10:27 > 1:10:31There was a light, day and night, 24 hours,
1:10:31 > 1:10:34and during the night,
1:10:34 > 1:10:39they would knock on the wall where he was inside.
1:10:41 > 1:10:45That was to keep him awake.
1:10:45 > 1:10:47WATER RUNS
1:10:48 > 1:10:52Saevar was afraid of water.
1:10:54 > 1:11:01They took him, and immersed his head into the water...
1:11:04 > 1:11:10..and said they would drown him if he didn't confess.
1:11:11 > 1:11:16Those guards who did it, they enjoyed it and were proud of it,
1:11:16 > 1:11:19and laughed about it, of "drowning the rat."
1:11:27 > 1:11:30This was a heavy-handed investigation.
1:11:30 > 1:11:31This was heavy.
1:11:31 > 1:11:34Albert Klahn went berserk in custody after a few days.
1:11:35 > 1:11:38Tryggvi Runar had to be, after four nights of sleeplessness,
1:11:38 > 1:11:40sedated by an injection.
1:11:42 > 1:11:45Kristjan Vidar tried to kill himself twice.
1:11:47 > 1:11:53It's breaking down that core - your capacity to really say,
1:11:53 > 1:11:55"I know that did not happen."
1:11:56 > 1:12:00Once that's broken down, you are very vulnerable.
1:12:04 > 1:12:06"There was nothing but waiting.
1:12:07 > 1:12:10"Waiting for the next interrogation, wondering what I would say.
1:12:12 > 1:12:14"In the cell, I could do nothing but think.
1:12:16 > 1:12:18"I grew into the walls.
1:12:20 > 1:12:24"I could not feel my body - I was just head."
1:12:33 > 1:12:37There is a picture which really was accepted by the court,
1:12:37 > 1:12:39where Kristjan Vidar is kind of enacting
1:12:39 > 1:12:42what happened to Geirfinnur.
1:12:44 > 1:12:47Here is what happened - there's a photograph of it,
1:12:47 > 1:12:49exactly how it took place.
1:12:53 > 1:12:56Once you have enacted something, you're showing how you did it,
1:12:56 > 1:12:59it may have a damaging effect
1:12:59 > 1:13:03in the sense that it may reinforce that memory.
1:13:04 > 1:13:08You begin to think it did actually happen like that.
1:13:36 > 1:13:37HE SPEAKS IN ICELANDIC
1:13:39 > 1:13:43It was four times a day that they brought pills that I had to take,
1:13:43 > 1:13:45and all of them had one thing in common,
1:13:45 > 1:13:47and that was, they were tranquillising.
1:13:54 > 1:13:56I wasn't allowed to go outside.
1:13:58 > 1:14:01It was complete isolation.
1:14:03 > 1:14:08Very soon, you shrink down to this helpless baby.
1:14:09 > 1:14:11Your mentality and your intelligence...
1:14:11 > 1:14:13everything just shrinks,
1:14:13 > 1:14:16and you're in this abstract world.
1:14:27 > 1:14:32You know, I really just...needed to die...
1:14:32 > 1:14:34but this one...
1:14:34 > 1:14:37one tie, with the baby...
1:14:37 > 1:14:39was the thing that didn't allow me to do that.
1:14:43 > 1:14:46When I thought about her...
1:14:46 > 1:14:49I couldn't picture her.
1:14:49 > 1:14:52I couldn't see her face...
1:14:52 > 1:14:54and then I knew I was going crazy,
1:14:54 > 1:14:59and I even wondered, "Did I ever even have a baby?
1:14:59 > 1:15:02"Is that also my imagination?
1:15:02 > 1:15:06"Because I could swear that I feel that I do...
1:15:06 > 1:15:08"but no picture is coming."
1:15:27 > 1:15:33The criminal police told her that in order to get out,
1:15:33 > 1:15:36she had to tell everything,
1:15:36 > 1:15:40and therefore, she told and told and told -
1:15:40 > 1:15:42much too much.
1:15:43 > 1:15:49This case is probably the first one that the police feels pressure
1:15:49 > 1:15:52from the press and from the public.
1:15:53 > 1:15:57They had this fact that these people were missing, they had...
1:15:57 > 1:15:59confessions, if you like,
1:15:59 > 1:16:03from some of the people that had been involved in killing them...
1:16:04 > 1:16:09..but they always were changing the stories of who did what.
1:16:10 > 1:16:12HE SPEAKS IN GERMAN
1:16:18 > 1:16:21Karl Schutz is brought in by the Minister of Justice
1:16:21 > 1:16:24to harmonise the confessions,
1:16:24 > 1:16:27and to make them credible in terms of the court of law.
1:16:29 > 1:16:34He is very much in charge, driving the investigation.
1:16:36 > 1:16:40Everything was focused on proving that they were guilty.
1:16:41 > 1:16:44Karl Schutz taught the Icelandic detectives
1:16:44 > 1:16:46a new way of interrogating.
1:16:48 > 1:16:52Basically, it involved coming at suspects
1:16:52 > 1:16:54from many different directions.
1:16:56 > 1:16:58They would jump from one time to another
1:16:58 > 1:17:01to trick them into revealing the truth.
1:17:02 > 1:17:04The police suggest things -
1:17:04 > 1:17:08"Could it have been this way, could it have been that way?"
1:17:08 > 1:17:12and the person persuades himself perhaps he was present,
1:17:12 > 1:17:14and begins to believe it.
1:17:17 > 1:17:20When Gudjon Skarphedinsson was arrested,
1:17:20 > 1:17:22his statements...
1:17:23 > 1:17:28..were very important in closing up the case.
1:17:50 > 1:17:51It's the same...
1:17:52 > 1:17:55..routine, again and again.
1:17:55 > 1:17:59Did we bury him somewhere or throw him in the ocean?
1:17:59 > 1:18:01Where was the car?
1:18:01 > 1:18:03Who else was involved?
1:18:03 > 1:18:04What was it all about?
1:18:06 > 1:18:07You get tired,
1:18:07 > 1:18:14and you don't know whether you're dreaming or remembering things.
1:18:16 > 1:18:18I got completely confused.
1:18:19 > 1:18:25It came like clips from a movie into your mind.
1:18:44 > 1:18:47In the end, you feel you have been there...
1:18:48 > 1:18:51..that this has really happened.
1:18:56 > 1:19:00You wonder, "What else has happened that I don't remember?"
1:19:03 > 1:19:06You can't trust your own mind.
1:19:08 > 1:19:11It's sort of like somebody pulls the carpet from underneath,
1:19:11 > 1:19:14and you're standing in thin air,
1:19:14 > 1:19:17and you don't know where the ground is.
1:19:29 > 1:19:32From the beginning, there was presumption of guilt.
1:19:33 > 1:19:36Nobody seemed to consider the possibility
1:19:36 > 1:19:38that these people might be innocent,
1:19:38 > 1:19:41and that they did not know what had happened
1:19:41 > 1:19:43to Gudmundur and Geirfinnur.
1:19:43 > 1:19:47Once the confession is taken, once it's in the air,
1:19:47 > 1:19:49it corrupts everything else.
1:19:52 > 1:19:57My feeling is that the police was under that much pressure
1:19:57 > 1:20:02that once they were on this journey, and went down that track...
1:20:03 > 1:20:06..there was no turning back.
1:20:06 > 1:20:07The rumour here in Iceland
1:20:07 > 1:20:10is that it's all a conspiracy by the police -
1:20:10 > 1:20:12I'm telling you it's not.
1:20:14 > 1:20:17These were honest guys trying to do their best,
1:20:17 > 1:20:19and they did the right thing.
1:20:19 > 1:20:22In the end, it's the prosecution system
1:20:22 > 1:20:24that has to decide what to do
1:20:24 > 1:20:27with the result of a police investigation.
1:20:28 > 1:20:32I think we are learning from this case.
1:20:32 > 1:20:35We're looking into a mirror.
1:20:35 > 1:20:40When there's been a miscarriage of justice, lives are destroyed.
1:20:40 > 1:20:44It's terribly important that the truth emerges,
1:20:44 > 1:20:47and that we correct the injustices that have been done.
1:20:49 > 1:20:53This was a witch hunt that did much harm.
1:20:54 > 1:20:56I remember saying to myself,
1:20:56 > 1:21:01"How did it come about that I was caught up in this public hysteria?"
1:21:01 > 1:21:04And it brought out...
1:21:04 > 1:21:07bad things in people, you know?
1:21:07 > 1:21:10And that's what we're still recovering from.
1:21:21 > 1:21:24It's still difficult for me to see those pictures.
1:21:26 > 1:21:30It's just so painful to see this child,
1:21:30 > 1:21:33because I'm connecting to what she went through -
1:21:33 > 1:21:37but it still isn't really me.
1:21:39 > 1:21:41It's always somebody else.
1:21:43 > 1:21:48And...it leaves you pretty crazy, you know?