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0:00:02 > 0:00:06This programme contains some strong language and some scenes of a sexual nature.

0:00:06 > 0:00:08About one person in 20 is homosexual. On any busy street,

0:00:08 > 0:00:10you pass half a dozen every five minutes.

0:00:10 > 0:00:13Contrary to popular opinion, most of them don't look any different from anyone else.

0:00:13 > 0:00:16People can only tell the obvious ones, but they are a tiny minority.

0:00:29 > 0:00:34# For TC and his Honeybear

0:00:34 > 0:00:39# The world will not stop moving

0:00:42 > 0:00:47# For rendezvous and longing stares

0:00:47 > 0:00:54# And hearts that won't stop burning

0:00:55 > 0:01:00# Before that Honeybear had given up

0:01:00 > 0:01:05# He felt so sad and lonely

0:01:08 > 0:01:13# Then one night he looked up and he saw

0:01:13 > 0:01:18# He saw his one and only

0:01:21 > 0:01:26# When TC came onto the scene

0:01:26 > 0:01:31# He entered in on golden wings

0:01:34 > 0:01:39# And with him he brought butterflies

0:01:39 > 0:01:45# Of crimson red and emerald green

0:01:48 > 0:01:52# Cos before TC Honeybear was waiting

0:01:52 > 0:01:58# Was waiting for him patiently

0:02:01 > 0:02:06# TC took his fear away

0:02:06 > 0:02:12# Became his one and only... #

0:02:15 > 0:02:17- REPORTER:- Homosexuals usually live two lives,

0:02:17 > 0:02:19one of which is completely concealed

0:02:19 > 0:02:21from their family and colleagues.

0:02:21 > 0:02:23No-one knows, no.

0:02:23 > 0:02:25How would they react, if they did?

0:02:25 > 0:02:27They'd be tremendously shocked.

0:02:28 > 0:02:31The reason is that I live a very normal life...

0:02:32 > 0:02:35..back home. And I really live two lives -

0:02:35 > 0:02:37one here, and one up north.

0:02:38 > 0:02:41It's estimated that one man in 20 is a homosexual.

0:02:41 > 0:02:45These men are a minority - they receive minority treatment,

0:02:45 > 0:02:47face prejudice and intolerance,

0:02:47 > 0:02:49stand accused of depravity and vice.

0:02:49 > 0:02:52Whereas male homosexuality is a crime in Britain,

0:02:52 > 0:02:55female homosexuality is perfectly legal.

0:02:55 > 0:02:57Lesbians can be open about it.

0:02:57 > 0:02:59And yet, for women who love women,

0:02:59 > 0:03:03unqualified acceptance by our society still does not exist.

0:03:04 > 0:03:07And so lesbians receive the minority treatment -

0:03:07 > 0:03:09intolerance, suspicion, often disgust.

0:03:11 > 0:03:13In the heterosexual world,

0:03:13 > 0:03:15the homosexual disturbs conformist values,

0:03:15 > 0:03:18is shunned, and perhaps misunderstood.

0:03:18 > 0:03:21Most homosexuals must lead a secret, dark existence.

0:03:24 > 0:03:29# The world came crashing down on them

0:03:29 > 0:03:34# With all of its ferocity

0:03:37 > 0:03:42# And Honeybear was terrified

0:03:42 > 0:03:47# He said, do not take him, take me

0:03:50 > 0:03:54# Before that Honeybear had given up

0:03:54 > 0:03:59# He felt so sad and lonely... #

0:03:59 > 0:04:01I'll soon be back.

0:04:01 > 0:04:02Don't leave me here alone.

0:04:02 > 0:04:04Where are you going?

0:04:04 > 0:04:08# Then one night he looked up and he saw

0:04:08 > 0:04:13# He saw his one and only

0:04:16 > 0:04:22# And he said, please don't take him

0:04:24 > 0:04:29# Cos I love him

0:04:30 > 0:04:34# He's my joy

0:04:34 > 0:04:40# And my life

0:04:40 > 0:04:47# For my love I won't hesitate

0:04:47 > 0:04:54# I will give him all that his heart can take

0:04:54 > 0:05:02# And I'll trust him fearlessly

0:05:02 > 0:05:08# I want him to be free. #

0:05:14 > 0:05:16Among the ancient Greeks, it was normal practice.

0:05:16 > 0:05:19Socrates and Plato, the two greatest of philosophers,

0:05:19 > 0:05:21were both homosexual.

0:05:21 > 0:05:23So was Alexander the Great.

0:05:23 > 0:05:26Julius Caesar, a woman's man,

0:05:26 > 0:05:27and every man's woman.

0:05:27 > 0:05:30Many of the kings of England were homosexual -

0:05:30 > 0:05:33William Rufus, for instance, and Edward II,

0:05:33 > 0:05:35was the most notorious example.

0:05:35 > 0:05:39Perhaps the two greatest artists of all time were homosexual -

0:05:39 > 0:05:42Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo.

0:05:42 > 0:05:46At home, romantic poets like Shelley and Byron.

0:05:46 > 0:05:49The biggest scandal surrounding a British homosexual

0:05:49 > 0:05:51blew up round Oscar Wilde.

0:05:52 > 0:05:56"The love that dare not speak its name in this country

0:05:56 > 0:06:01"in such a great affection of an elder for a younger man,

0:06:01 > 0:06:04"as there was between David and Jonathan,

0:06:04 > 0:06:09"such as Plato made the very basis of his philosophy,

0:06:09 > 0:06:11"and such as you will find

0:06:11 > 0:06:14"in the sonnets of Michelangelo and Shakespeare.

0:06:17 > 0:06:20"It is that deep, spiritual affection,

0:06:20 > 0:06:24"which is as pure as it is perfect.

0:06:24 > 0:06:27"It is in this century so misunderstood

0:06:27 > 0:06:32"that it may be described as the love that dare not speak its name.

0:06:32 > 0:06:34"And on account of it,

0:06:34 > 0:06:37"I am placed where I am now.

0:06:38 > 0:06:41"It is beautiful, it is fine.

0:06:41 > 0:06:45"It is the noblest form of affection."

0:06:47 > 0:06:50Are they born that way, or do they become like it?

0:06:50 > 0:06:53Well, I don't think they are born that way.

0:06:54 > 0:06:57I think the damage is probably done very early in infancy,

0:06:57 > 0:06:59in some cases. Sometimes later.

0:06:59 > 0:07:02The amount of sexual drive a person

0:07:02 > 0:07:06has may certainly be decided partly genetically,

0:07:06 > 0:07:07but not its direction.

0:07:14 > 0:07:18# We could have skipped this part

0:07:18 > 0:07:22# I could have taught you how to love yourself

0:07:22 > 0:07:26# I waited patiently

0:07:26 > 0:07:30# I hoped that you would be the one to come to me

0:07:30 > 0:07:33# I tried to talk to you

0:07:35 > 0:07:39# I thought that you would recognise the need

0:07:39 > 0:07:41# That you had deep inside

0:07:42 > 0:07:46# But you had to get there by yourself

0:07:47 > 0:07:51# I don't understand Help me, please

0:07:51 > 0:07:56# Tell me everything and make me see

0:07:56 > 0:07:59# You know that I would give you anything

0:07:59 > 0:08:04# I'd take away your pain Yeah, I'd take away the stain

0:08:04 > 0:08:07# I don't understand Help me, please

0:08:08 > 0:08:12# Tell me everything and make me see

0:08:12 > 0:08:15# You know that I would give you anything

0:08:15 > 0:08:19# I'd take away your pain and I'd take away the stain... #

0:08:34 > 0:08:37Because lesbians are a cross-section,

0:08:37 > 0:08:38by the sheer law of averages

0:08:38 > 0:08:41there are naturally many to be found in those professions

0:08:41 > 0:08:43which are predominantly staffed by women,

0:08:43 > 0:08:45like nursing and teaching.

0:08:45 > 0:08:48Now, you're a schoolteacher and, as you must know,

0:08:48 > 0:08:50a tremendous number of parents

0:08:50 > 0:08:52are really frightened at the idea that

0:08:52 > 0:08:55their daughter might be taught by a lesbian teacher.

0:08:55 > 0:08:57What's your comment on that?

0:08:58 > 0:09:01Well, I suppose there is a danger, in some cases.

0:09:01 > 0:09:02But, um...

0:09:02 > 0:09:04I mean, if there were... If there was...

0:09:04 > 0:09:07If this was...really dangerous, I mean,

0:09:07 > 0:09:10no man would be allowed to teach in a girl's school,

0:09:10 > 0:09:12and no-one's going to suggest that.

0:09:12 > 0:09:13As far as I'm concerned,

0:09:13 > 0:09:16my professional life and my private life are utterly separate,

0:09:16 > 0:09:19and have to be utterly separate.

0:09:19 > 0:09:22Do you feel any sexual attraction for the girls you teach?

0:09:22 > 0:09:23None at all.

0:09:24 > 0:09:28# I don't understand Help me, please

0:09:28 > 0:09:30# Tell me everything and make me see

0:09:32 > 0:09:35# You know that I would give you anything

0:09:35 > 0:09:40# I'd take away your pain Yeah, I'd take away the stain... #

0:09:40 > 0:09:42Recently I-I've seen some children -

0:09:42 > 0:09:44very young children, three and four...

0:09:46 > 0:09:47..even people I work with,

0:09:47 > 0:09:50remark that, there's no question about it,

0:09:50 > 0:09:53these children will grow up to be homosexual.

0:09:53 > 0:09:56They're very sensitive, soft, warm,

0:09:56 > 0:09:58gentle children,

0:09:58 > 0:10:00in comparison to other children, perhaps, of the same age,

0:10:00 > 0:10:03who are brisk and rough and tumble.

0:10:05 > 0:10:07One felt that there was something there that...

0:10:07 > 0:10:09was sympathetic.

0:10:15 > 0:10:17# Help me, please

0:10:18 > 0:10:26# Why don't you come to me? #

0:10:26 > 0:10:28Once a girl is lesbian,

0:10:28 > 0:10:30can anything be done to change that?

0:10:31 > 0:10:34I think so, if she's still fairly young...

0:10:35 > 0:10:39..and she's dissatisfied herself with her way of life.

0:10:40 > 0:10:44This depends terribly on how early the damage was done,

0:10:44 > 0:10:45how deep it goes...

0:10:49 > 0:10:53..and basically, again, I suppose on her own feelings about it.

0:10:53 > 0:10:55# I would give you anything

0:10:55 > 0:10:59# I'd take away your pain Yeah, I'd take away the stain

0:10:59 > 0:11:03# I don't understand Help me, please

0:11:03 > 0:11:07# Tell me everything and make me see

0:11:07 > 0:11:11# You know that I would give you anything

0:11:11 > 0:11:15# I'd take away your pain, yeah, I'd take away the stain. #

0:11:20 > 0:11:22UPBEAT JAZZ MUSIC

0:11:56 > 0:11:58- You could talk to him. - It's not a mother's job.

0:11:58 > 0:12:00He's always been a mother's boy.

0:12:00 > 0:12:02He never once forgot Mother's Day.

0:12:02 > 0:12:05You know, I don't remember him bringing a single girl home

0:12:05 > 0:12:06all the time I've known him.

0:12:06 > 0:12:08I knew there was something,

0:12:08 > 0:12:11but I just couldn't put me finger on it.

0:12:11 > 0:12:13Oh, come on, now, he was going to be a bachelor, a celibate.

0:12:15 > 0:12:18Your son's not one of those, is he, Hilda?

0:12:18 > 0:12:19PHONE RINGS

0:12:19 > 0:12:21Where's, um...

0:12:21 > 0:12:23Jo?

0:12:23 > 0:12:26Couldn't she come? I'd so looked forward to meeting her.

0:12:26 > 0:12:27METAL CLANGS

0:12:30 > 0:12:32I tripped over the central heating.

0:12:32 > 0:12:35I'm always falling over something. I hope I haven't wrecked it.

0:12:35 > 0:12:36MELANCHOLY TRUMPET PLAYS

0:12:39 > 0:12:41# I've felt uncomfortable

0:12:41 > 0:12:44# Since the day that I was born

0:12:44 > 0:12:50# Since the day I glimpsed the black abyss in your eyes

0:12:50 > 0:12:57# There's no way you could make all of this shit up on your own

0:12:57 > 0:13:03# It could only come from the mastermind of lies... #

0:13:03 > 0:13:07My parents weren't affectionate.

0:13:07 > 0:13:09I always grew up with a dislike for my father.

0:13:10 > 0:13:12Consequently, a tremendous attachment to my mother.

0:13:12 > 0:13:15You know, there's nothing wrong about that young man of mine

0:13:15 > 0:13:17that a good woman won't cure.

0:13:17 > 0:13:21May the Lord be in your heart and on your lips, that you may,

0:13:21 > 0:13:24with truth and humility, confess all your sins

0:13:24 > 0:13:29in the name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Ghost.

0:13:30 > 0:13:35# I can't believe that I've considered taking my own life

0:13:35 > 0:13:41# Cos I believed the lies about me were the truth...

0:13:41 > 0:13:43I pray, Father, give me your blessing.

0:13:43 > 0:13:46# It will be magic to watch your transformation

0:13:46 > 0:13:48# When you realise that you've been had

0:13:48 > 0:13:54# It's enough to make a guy like me feel sad...

0:13:54 > 0:13:55Yes, Sister.

0:13:55 > 0:13:57# Cos you tell me that Jesus

0:13:57 > 0:13:59# He hates fruit loops, son

0:13:59 > 0:14:02# We told you that when you were young

0:14:02 > 0:14:06# Or pretty much anything you want him to

0:14:06 > 0:14:09# Like sitcoms, paedophiles and kangaroos

0:14:09 > 0:14:12# Morons who cut in line

0:14:12 > 0:14:15# Three-bean salad and parking fines

0:14:15 > 0:14:18# And when we win this war on society

0:14:18 > 0:14:24# I hope your blind eyes will be opened and you'll see

0:14:25 > 0:14:32# The arrogance it takes to walk around in the world the way you do

0:14:32 > 0:14:37# It turns my brain to jelly every time

0:14:38 > 0:14:44# The rage and fear I'm feeling have begun to make me sick

0:14:44 > 0:14:50# And I think that I might be about to commit a crime

0:14:50 > 0:14:52# And you tell me that Jesus

0:14:52 > 0:14:54# He hates homos, son

0:14:54 > 0:14:58# We told you that when you were young... #

0:14:58 > 0:14:59Men?

0:14:59 > 0:15:02You look like a couple of queers.

0:15:02 > 0:15:05Ah, don't take any notice of what Dot said.

0:15:05 > 0:15:08I tell you, she had me worried for a minute, though.

0:15:08 > 0:15:11Just because our Arthur's marriage hasn't gone right yet,

0:15:11 > 0:15:13you've no call to talk about him being queer.

0:15:13 > 0:15:15It's ridiculous...

0:15:16 > 0:15:18..innit?

0:15:23 > 0:15:26No!

0:15:26 > 0:15:29Suppose there was - is that something to get at a lad for?

0:15:29 > 0:15:32Well, it's not normal, is it?

0:15:32 > 0:15:34Where you going?

0:15:35 > 0:15:37I'm going to get a refill for my lipstick.

0:15:37 > 0:15:39Pray, Father, give me your blessing.

0:15:39 > 0:15:41It is three weeks since my last confession,

0:15:41 > 0:15:42and I accuse myself of...

0:15:42 > 0:15:45dishonouring my parents, many times.

0:15:45 > 0:15:49# Cos Jesus, he hates faggots, son

0:15:49 > 0:15:52# We told you that when you were young

0:15:52 > 0:15:55# Or pretty much any one you want him to

0:15:55 > 0:16:00# Like niggers, spics, redskins and kikes, men who... #

0:16:00 > 0:16:03I don't know what's the matter with you. You ain't normal.

0:16:03 > 0:16:04Aren't we getting off the subject?

0:16:04 > 0:16:06Shut up.

0:16:06 > 0:16:07# And when we win the war on society... #

0:16:07 > 0:16:09What the fuck is your problem?!

0:16:09 > 0:16:15# I hope your blind eyes will be opened and you'll see. #

0:16:15 > 0:16:17Nature would have done it,

0:16:17 > 0:16:20and a father should help and protect a lad like that,

0:16:20 > 0:16:22not turn on him like the mob would when it sees somebody different.

0:16:25 > 0:16:28When, in the end, the penny dropped, how did you react?

0:16:29 > 0:16:31With relief more than anything.

0:16:31 > 0:16:33Relief at knowing...

0:16:33 > 0:16:35At being certain, at last,

0:16:35 > 0:16:37what I was, and how I fitted in.

0:16:39 > 0:16:41I think uncertainty, not knowing what you are,

0:16:41 > 0:16:43not knowing how you fit into society,

0:16:43 > 0:16:45this is the worst thing of all.

0:16:45 > 0:16:47REPORTER: The mother of one of the lesbians

0:16:47 > 0:16:49who has appeared in this programme,

0:16:49 > 0:16:52told me how she discovered that her daughter was homosexual.

0:16:52 > 0:16:54How did you react at the time? What did you feel?

0:16:56 > 0:16:58Oh, well at first, terrific shock.

0:16:58 > 0:17:02And...fear, to a certain extent.

0:17:02 > 0:17:07Not for ourselves, and not for what people would think, really,

0:17:07 > 0:17:11but fear for her, what she'd have to face in her future life.

0:17:11 > 0:17:14I think that was the worst part about it.

0:17:16 > 0:17:19A minority of lesbians can be recognised as such.

0:17:19 > 0:17:22This 19-year-old girl has worn nothing but boys' clothes

0:17:22 > 0:17:23for some years.

0:17:23 > 0:17:24Well...

0:17:26 > 0:17:29..I was brought up with boys - I've got no sisters.

0:17:29 > 0:17:31I think I was more or less a tomboy

0:17:31 > 0:17:34from the start, from a very early age.

0:17:34 > 0:17:35How do the shop assistants react

0:17:35 > 0:17:38when you walk in to buy men's clothes?

0:17:38 > 0:17:41Well, nine times out of ten, they don't know that I'm a girl.

0:17:41 > 0:17:44But there is the odd occasion where I've gone into a shop

0:17:44 > 0:17:46and they've said, you know, "Yes, sir?"

0:17:46 > 0:17:50And then somebody's said, "Is that a girl?"

0:17:50 > 0:17:51Good morning, sir.

0:17:51 > 0:17:53Oh, good morning, miss.

0:17:53 > 0:17:55Good morning. A red rose, please.

0:17:56 > 0:17:58There.

0:17:58 > 0:18:00- Thank you.- Thanks.

0:18:02 > 0:18:05- Oh, good morning, Kate. - Good morning, sir.

0:18:05 > 0:18:07- Could I have a buttonhole? - Well, I haven't got any...

0:18:07 > 0:18:08A few violets?

0:18:08 > 0:18:11Oh, that'll do nicely. Do you mind if I pay you on Saturday?

0:18:11 > 0:18:12HE GIGGLES

0:18:14 > 0:18:15Strewth.

0:18:15 > 0:18:17What do you make of that, Sam?

0:18:17 > 0:18:20Well, boys will be girls, and girls will be boys!

0:18:29 > 0:18:32# Stranger

0:18:32 > 0:18:37# When you look at me

0:18:39 > 0:18:43# Eyes strong as steel

0:18:43 > 0:18:45# Light as day

0:18:48 > 0:18:51# Born a mystery

0:18:52 > 0:18:56# You're the in-between

0:18:57 > 0:19:00# Boy or girl

0:19:01 > 0:19:05# Ooh-ooh ooh-ooh

0:19:08 > 0:19:10# Wilder

0:19:10 > 0:19:15# Than I've known before

0:19:17 > 0:19:20# Fire rushes through

0:19:20 > 0:19:23# Every vein

0:19:25 > 0:19:29# With a smile that sings

0:19:30 > 0:19:35# You'll be killing me

0:19:35 > 0:19:38# Tenderly

0:19:39 > 0:19:42# Ooh-ooh ooh-ooh

0:19:44 > 0:19:48# Ooh-ooh ooh-ooh ooh

0:19:48 > 0:19:52# Ooh-ooh ooh-ooh

0:19:55 > 0:20:00# Every word

0:20:00 > 0:20:03# Is soft as fur

0:20:03 > 0:20:07# I'm drifting deeper... #

0:20:07 > 0:20:09Yes?

0:20:09 > 0:20:12Get in there. Come on, move!

0:20:12 > 0:20:14- Crisp, sir.- Sit down.

0:20:19 > 0:20:21Your hair's dyed.

0:20:21 > 0:20:23Yes, sir.

0:20:23 > 0:20:27A man dyeing his hair is a sign of sexual perversion.

0:20:27 > 0:20:31# Ooh-ooh ooh

0:20:31 > 0:20:36# Stranger, will you remember?

0:20:36 > 0:20:40# Stranger, make me

0:20:40 > 0:20:43# Remember you... #

0:20:43 > 0:20:45I am Doctor Crow.

0:20:45 > 0:20:46You are surprised?

0:20:46 > 0:20:48Yes, I am!

0:20:48 > 0:20:50I expected you to be a man.

0:20:50 > 0:20:51Or a woman.

0:20:51 > 0:20:53I am both,

0:20:53 > 0:20:55with the combined mental and physical endowments

0:20:55 > 0:20:57of both man and woman.

0:20:57 > 0:21:00You must have great difficulty with your clothes.

0:21:00 > 0:21:02Do you read your Bible?

0:21:02 > 0:21:04Not constantly.

0:21:04 > 0:21:06"Male and female created he them."

0:21:09 > 0:21:14Male and female created he me.

0:21:14 > 0:21:15Steve Rogers and her girlfriend

0:21:15 > 0:21:18don't often walk down the street for pleasure.

0:21:18 > 0:21:20There's too much risk involved.

0:21:20 > 0:21:24Risk of public mockery, undisguised amazement, crude jokes.

0:21:24 > 0:21:28Many lesbians, of course, aren't so aggressively masculine as Steve,

0:21:28 > 0:21:29and for them, it's not so bad.

0:21:29 > 0:21:31But for Steve, who's 24,

0:21:31 > 0:21:35and whose whole instinct cries out to her to feel and act like a man,

0:21:35 > 0:21:38her appearance makes her constantly vulnerable.

0:21:38 > 0:21:40When I was 15, no, 16, sorry,

0:21:40 > 0:21:44I met this girl and, um...

0:21:44 > 0:21:46I was with her for six months, and I got engaged to her.

0:21:46 > 0:21:48I really forgot that I was a woman.

0:21:49 > 0:21:53And she thought she was pregnant.

0:21:54 > 0:21:57Because there's some things that a lesbian can use,

0:21:57 > 0:21:59and I got away with using one of those.

0:21:59 > 0:22:02- And she never discovered...?- And she didn't know the difference, no.

0:22:04 > 0:22:07The next thing I know, her mother kept on about us getting married.

0:22:07 > 0:22:10So I thought, "Oh, I better get out of it,"

0:22:10 > 0:22:12you know, cos I knew I couldn't get married to her.

0:22:12 > 0:22:14And... So then I hopped it,

0:22:14 > 0:22:17and the next thing I know, the police are after me.

0:22:17 > 0:22:18The girl thinks she's pregnant

0:22:18 > 0:22:22and they're taking me to court for breach of promise and that.

0:22:22 > 0:22:25They took me to court, and then it all came out, that I was a girl.

0:22:25 > 0:22:29No cure has yet been found for the homosexual condition.

0:22:29 > 0:22:31Perhaps none ever will.

0:22:31 > 0:22:32But I asked homosexuals

0:22:32 > 0:22:35if they would still choose to remain homosexuals,

0:22:35 > 0:22:37if they had the opportunity to change.

0:22:39 > 0:22:44No. The society being what it is, I would be heterosexual.

0:22:44 > 0:22:47If you could live life all over again and could choose,

0:22:47 > 0:22:48would you choose to be a homosexual?

0:22:50 > 0:22:52Not unless it was thrust upon me, as it has been...

0:22:54 > 0:22:58..by the fact that I am, and there's nothing I can do about it,

0:22:58 > 0:23:01heaven knows I've tried. Erm...

0:23:03 > 0:23:07No, there's absolutely no advantage in being a homosexual

0:23:07 > 0:23:10in a heterosexual world, obviously.

0:23:12 > 0:23:15And there's no happiness, really.

0:23:15 > 0:23:18# You just want to live your life

0:23:18 > 0:23:22# The best way you know how

0:23:22 > 0:23:25# But they keep on telling you

0:23:25 > 0:23:29# That you are not allowed

0:23:29 > 0:23:32# They say you are sick

0:23:32 > 0:23:37# That you should hang your head in shame

0:23:37 > 0:23:39# They are pointing fingers

0:23:39 > 0:23:44# And want you to take the blame... #

0:23:44 > 0:23:46- A brain specialist?- Psychiatrist.

0:23:47 > 0:23:49I thought as much.

0:23:50 > 0:23:52You want to psychoanalyse me, don't you?

0:23:52 > 0:23:54You want to look inside my brain and see how the wheels go around.

0:23:54 > 0:23:56Now, wait a moment, Frere...

0:23:56 > 0:23:57Dissect me like a guinea pig.

0:23:57 > 0:24:00Then show me off to your distinguished colleagues

0:24:00 > 0:24:02as an interesting case.

0:24:02 > 0:24:03That's it, isn't it?

0:24:03 > 0:24:06Hardly, but it's possible that I may be able to help you.

0:24:06 > 0:24:09Perhaps you'll have a case history that'll make your complexes stand

0:24:09 > 0:24:12on end, and you can write a big, fat book all about it, eh?

0:24:12 > 0:24:13HE LAUGHS MOCKINGLY

0:24:15 > 0:24:22# This pain

0:24:22 > 0:24:29# It is a glacier moving through you... #

0:24:29 > 0:24:31Doctors, more than most people,

0:24:31 > 0:24:34should perhaps understand what causes men to be homosexual.

0:24:34 > 0:24:37This man is a doctor, but he's also a homosexual.

0:24:37 > 0:24:40It just makes you feel, well, you'd just as well be in prison,

0:24:40 > 0:24:42because it's a sort of prison anyway.

0:24:42 > 0:24:44Do you think you need help?

0:24:44 > 0:24:45Yes, I do.

0:24:45 > 0:24:48I think everybody who's a homosexual needs help.

0:24:48 > 0:24:50Homosexuality is one manifestation

0:24:50 > 0:24:52of a failure to fully develop.

0:24:52 > 0:24:54Does your mother know about you?

0:24:54 > 0:24:56- Yeah.- What does she think?

0:24:56 > 0:24:58She just thinks it's disgusting, she can't accept it.

0:25:00 > 0:25:05# Don't you become paralysed with fear

0:25:05 > 0:25:11# When things seem particularly rough... #

0:25:14 > 0:25:16Did you find it very hard to come to terms with the fact

0:25:16 > 0:25:18that you are homosexual?

0:25:19 > 0:25:23Yes. From when I was about 16 till about...

0:25:24 > 0:25:27..20, 22 or 23.

0:25:29 > 0:25:33The whole of that time, it was associated in my mind with guilt,

0:25:33 > 0:25:35sordid matters...

0:25:37 > 0:25:39..elderly, unpleasant men.

0:25:42 > 0:25:49# Don't you pay them fuckers as they say no never mind

0:25:49 > 0:25:53# They don't give two shits about you

0:25:53 > 0:25:57# It's the blind leading the blind

0:25:57 > 0:26:04# What they want is commonly referred to as theocracy

0:26:04 > 0:26:07# And what that boils down to

0:26:07 > 0:26:11# Is referred to as hypocrisy

0:26:11 > 0:26:15# Don't listen to anyone

0:26:15 > 0:26:19# Get answers on your own

0:26:19 > 0:26:23# Even if it means that sometimes

0:26:23 > 0:26:26# You feel quite alone

0:26:26 > 0:26:34# No-one on this planet can tell you what to believe

0:26:34 > 0:26:37# People like to talk a lot

0:26:37 > 0:26:42# And they like to deceive... #

0:26:43 > 0:26:45Did you ever go to your family at Christmas?

0:26:45 > 0:26:47I haven't got any family, dear.

0:26:47 > 0:26:50I never got on with them anyway.

0:26:50 > 0:26:51I did have a friend.

0:26:51 > 0:26:56# A glacier moving through you

0:26:58 > 0:27:00# And carving out deep valleys... #

0:27:00 > 0:27:01We lived together for years.

0:27:03 > 0:27:09# And creating spectacular landscapes... #

0:27:09 > 0:27:11A real love match it was, you know?

0:27:13 > 0:27:15Well, I've never wanted anything since.

0:27:15 > 0:27:17# And nourishing the ground

0:27:17 > 0:27:20# With precious minerals

0:27:20 > 0:27:25# And other stuff

0:27:27 > 0:27:32# So don't you become paralysed with fear

0:27:33 > 0:27:38# When things seem particularly rough

0:27:38 > 0:27:41# O-o-oh

0:27:41 > 0:27:48# This pain

0:27:48 > 0:27:55# It is a glacier moving through you

0:27:57 > 0:28:02# And carving out deep valleys

0:28:02 > 0:28:09# And creating spectacular landscapes

0:28:12 > 0:28:16# And nourishing the ground

0:28:16 > 0:28:19# With precious minerals

0:28:19 > 0:28:26# And other stuff

0:28:26 > 0:28:31# So, don't you become paralysed with fear

0:28:32 > 0:28:38# When things seem particularly rough. #

0:28:38 > 0:28:42I think one of the barriers to public acceptance for you

0:28:42 > 0:28:45is that normal people, or most normal people,

0:28:45 > 0:28:48find what you physically do disgusting.

0:28:50 > 0:28:53Well, personally I find that

0:28:53 > 0:28:58what a normal heterosexual couple do is just the same to me.

0:28:58 > 0:28:59I find it...

0:28:59 > 0:29:02Well, I won't say disgusting, but unnatural and repulsive.

0:29:03 > 0:29:05Sorry for them?

0:29:05 > 0:29:07Not me. It's always excuses.

0:29:07 > 0:29:09Every newspaper you pick up, it's excuses.

0:29:09 > 0:29:13Environment, too much love as kids, too little love as kids,

0:29:13 > 0:29:14they can't help it.

0:29:14 > 0:29:17We are in danger of permanently damaging our social fabric.

0:29:17 > 0:29:21This is dealing with a twilight area of abnormal people.

0:29:21 > 0:29:25What is lesbianism, what causes it, can it be cured?

0:29:25 > 0:29:26I wish I was normal.

0:29:26 > 0:29:27I want to be cured.

0:29:44 > 0:29:47- Would you like to be cured?- No.

0:29:47 > 0:29:50- Why not?- I'm perfectly happy the way I am.

0:29:50 > 0:29:52I have no desire to be heterosexual.

0:29:52 > 0:29:56I don't see any advantages in being heterosexual.

0:29:58 > 0:30:02Except for the fact that one might have police protection, but...

0:30:02 > 0:30:05No, no, I have no desire to change.

0:30:06 > 0:30:07Even if I could.

0:30:09 > 0:30:12Can you tell by looking at a woman whether she's lesbian or not?

0:30:12 > 0:30:15- Not at all.- You think that's a complete myth?

0:30:15 > 0:30:20An absolute myth, because I've been looking out hard enough.

0:30:22 > 0:30:25For years and years and years, I've fallen in love with...

0:30:26 > 0:30:28..various women.

0:30:29 > 0:30:33But they've never reciprocated my feeling,

0:30:33 > 0:30:38not until I was 36 did anyone reciprocate my feeling.

0:30:42 > 0:30:47And I used to fall in love and then feel quite happy about it at first,

0:30:47 > 0:30:49and I thought, "Oh, but it's hopeless,

0:30:49 > 0:30:54"you won't reciprocate my feeling," and I was right, she didn't.

0:30:54 > 0:30:59I very often remained friendly with that person, but, of course,

0:30:59 > 0:31:01I was very disappointed.

0:31:01 > 0:31:04Most homosexuals dread getting old, dread losing their looks,

0:31:04 > 0:31:07fear in particular the final loneliness

0:31:07 > 0:31:09of living without a companion.

0:31:09 > 0:31:10Like men needing wives,

0:31:10 > 0:31:13they search for someone with whom they can establish a lasting

0:31:13 > 0:31:17relationship, which includes warmth and protection, as well as sex.

0:31:17 > 0:31:21These two have done that, have lived together for 26 years.

0:31:21 > 0:31:24They might almost be a married couple, but they're still queer.

0:31:26 > 0:31:28Have they been happy?

0:31:28 > 0:31:32Compared with a lot of married couples,

0:31:32 > 0:31:34reasonably, yes, reasonably happy.

0:31:34 > 0:31:37After all, everywhere around

0:31:37 > 0:31:39everything is made for married people,

0:31:39 > 0:31:40it's not made for people like us.

0:31:42 > 0:31:43Things are awkward, aren't they?

0:31:45 > 0:31:48A comfortable house in Wandsworth indistinguishable from thousands of

0:31:48 > 0:31:50homes owned by married couples.

0:31:50 > 0:31:53It's where a lesbian couple have lived for four years -

0:31:53 > 0:31:55a domestic life which began as conventionally

0:31:55 > 0:31:59as any normal married couple when they fell in love.

0:31:59 > 0:32:01Homosexual practices may not be approved of,

0:32:01 > 0:32:04homosexual love cannot be denied.

0:32:04 > 0:32:07The feeling of being in love, I'm sure it's exactly the same

0:32:07 > 0:32:08for men and for women.

0:32:08 > 0:32:12The feeling of deep emotion towards someone. And...

0:32:12 > 0:32:14With me, it happened quite suddenly.

0:32:14 > 0:32:17I had, in fact, only known Julie a few days.

0:32:36 > 0:32:40# My love is the rarest jewel

0:32:40 > 0:32:45# And he grounds me with his love

0:32:45 > 0:32:51# My love, he is rich like caramel

0:32:51 > 0:32:54# And he moves me from above

0:32:54 > 0:32:58# He sees me with tiger eyes

0:32:58 > 0:33:03# And that's where I make my home

0:33:03 > 0:33:07# His heart is a shield

0:33:07 > 0:33:13# Which protects me from the vilest foe

0:33:13 > 0:33:16# His smile's an elixir

0:33:16 > 0:33:22# Which heals the wounds of my darkest years

0:33:22 > 0:33:25# When my love is quiet

0:33:25 > 0:33:27# I consider him

0:33:27 > 0:33:34# And he drives away my fears

0:33:34 > 0:33:39# My love he reveals himself

0:33:39 > 0:33:43# With tenderness and grace

0:33:43 > 0:33:48# My love has constructed with his arms

0:33:48 > 0:33:53# For me the safest place

0:33:53 > 0:33:57# His laughter destroys my doubts

0:33:57 > 0:34:02# And lifts me up so high

0:34:02 > 0:34:06# His voice it is soothing

0:34:06 > 0:34:11# Like a warm breeze on a summer night

0:34:11 > 0:34:15# When he envelops me

0:34:15 > 0:34:17# I give myself to him

0:34:17 > 0:34:23# And my soul takes flight... #

0:34:23 > 0:34:27Most homosexual partnerships are not so lasting.

0:34:27 > 0:34:30This young waiter talked about the break-up of his.

0:34:30 > 0:34:35Initially, I think one of the main reasons why it started to break up

0:34:35 > 0:34:37was because we were very young when we came together.

0:34:37 > 0:34:39We were both 19.

0:34:39 > 0:34:42He was much more a man about town,

0:34:42 > 0:34:44much more worldly than I was,

0:34:44 > 0:34:47and I looked to him for a great deal of protection,

0:34:47 > 0:34:51and as the years went by and I began to develop,

0:34:51 > 0:34:54I became more and more independent of him.

0:34:54 > 0:34:57But I certainly didn't love him any the less

0:34:57 > 0:34:59than what I did from the beginning.

0:34:59 > 0:35:01But I think that he resented the fact that

0:35:01 > 0:35:05I was no longer dependent on him for anything.

0:35:05 > 0:35:09And this was the cancer that started in our relationship,

0:35:09 > 0:35:11and eventually made it break.

0:35:11 > 0:35:16# Horrifying as it was for me

0:35:16 > 0:35:19# To see your face today

0:35:19 > 0:35:22# I guess I knew that it would happen

0:35:22 > 0:35:24# At some point

0:35:26 > 0:35:29# And I dreaded it because I knew... #

0:35:29 > 0:35:31How I ever came to think you were so marvellous...

0:35:31 > 0:35:33Bertie, for God's sake, go away!

0:35:35 > 0:35:36I have two children.

0:35:38 > 0:35:40I didn't want to hurt you.

0:35:40 > 0:35:43# So you observe the strict rules

0:35:43 > 0:35:47# Laid out in the books of etiquette... #

0:35:47 > 0:35:49Please!

0:35:49 > 0:35:52# And tell me you hope I enjoy my stay... #

0:35:52 > 0:35:54Happy, are you? Happy?

0:35:54 > 0:35:55I despise you!

0:35:55 > 0:35:59I disgust you, I know, because you disgust me.

0:35:59 > 0:36:03When slaves love each other, it's not love.

0:36:03 > 0:36:05I'm not married to you, George.

0:36:05 > 0:36:09Don't like that.

0:36:09 > 0:36:10Stay with me.

0:36:10 > 0:36:13You're the only one left.

0:36:13 > 0:36:15# You know, I hate this fucking town

0:36:15 > 0:36:17# You cannot even leave your fucking house...

0:36:17 > 0:36:18Come back!

0:36:18 > 0:36:22# Without running into someone who no longer cares about you...

0:36:22 > 0:36:24No, don't turn away from me. Take me in your arms.

0:36:24 > 0:36:26Oh!

0:36:26 > 0:36:28# Somebody who you desperately want to see...

0:36:28 > 0:36:30Oh!

0:36:30 > 0:36:33# But you know it's only going to cause more grief

0:36:33 > 0:36:37# Cos there is nothing left to say

0:36:37 > 0:36:40# And he can't hear you anyway... #

0:36:40 > 0:36:42I'm making a real effort.

0:36:48 > 0:36:50What am I supposed to do?

0:36:50 > 0:36:52Deacon is here to look after you.

0:36:54 > 0:36:56Your chaperone.

0:36:56 > 0:36:57Keep you out of my hair.

0:36:57 > 0:36:59Yeah, if he can stand up.

0:36:59 > 0:37:01Look, calm down, George, or take another pill.

0:37:01 > 0:37:06# I really want to hate you but my intellect reminds me...

0:37:06 > 0:37:07I love you, Francis.

0:37:07 > 0:37:12# ..that that doesn't make no sense

0:37:12 > 0:37:16# And I want to be your friend

0:37:16 > 0:37:19# But I couldn't pull it off in the end

0:37:19 > 0:37:23# And I'm disappointed with myself

0:37:23 > 0:37:27# Cos I thought I killed you

0:37:27 > 0:37:31# But then again you always made it clear

0:37:31 > 0:37:34# That you do not care either way

0:37:34 > 0:37:41# Which begs the question - how can I still claim to love you?

0:37:41 > 0:37:48# You told me time and time again that you don't lose, you always win

0:37:48 > 0:37:51# And that to make an effort

0:37:51 > 0:37:59# Would just be beneath you

0:37:59 > 0:38:02# You know, I hate this fucking town

0:38:02 > 0:38:05# You cannot even leave your fucking house

0:38:05 > 0:38:13# Without running into someone who no longer cares about you

0:38:13 > 0:38:16# Somebody who you desperately want to see

0:38:16 > 0:38:20# But you know it's only going to cause more grief

0:38:20 > 0:38:24# Cos there is nothing left to say

0:38:24 > 0:38:30# And he can't hear you anyway. #

0:38:49 > 0:38:53- Stop now.- I can't stop. I love you too much to stop.

0:38:53 > 0:38:56I thought you loved me. If you do, what do you feel for him?

0:38:56 > 0:38:59I have a right to know.

0:38:59 > 0:39:01All right, you want to know, I shall tell you.

0:39:01 > 0:39:03You won't be content until you know, will you?

0:39:03 > 0:39:06Till you've ripped it out of me!

0:39:06 > 0:39:10I stopped seeing him because I wanted him. Do you understand?

0:39:10 > 0:39:11Because I wanted him!

0:39:13 > 0:39:17Men who choose to love other men are treated not only with intolerance

0:39:17 > 0:39:20and contempt, but prosecuted and jailed. As a result,

0:39:20 > 0:39:24they become vulnerable to violence, blackmail, and persecution.

0:39:24 > 0:39:27Parliament has been asked to consider a private member's bill

0:39:27 > 0:39:30to remove that constant threat by legalising homosexual acts

0:39:30 > 0:39:34between consenting adults in private. But a change in the law

0:39:34 > 0:39:38doesn't guarantee a change in attitude by the rest of us.

0:39:38 > 0:39:41For many of us, this is revolting - men dancing with men.

0:39:41 > 0:39:45Homosexuals in this country today break the law.

0:39:45 > 0:39:51I'd been to a party at one of the embassies, and I'd been to the house

0:39:51 > 0:39:54to vote, and then on my way home, I thought,

0:39:54 > 0:39:59"Well, I might take a little exercise," and I went into the park,

0:39:59 > 0:40:02and I met a young guardsman

0:40:02 > 0:40:08and he went with me and, er, we went into the darkness of the trees...

0:40:08 > 0:40:11I went into this toilet, and...

0:40:11 > 0:40:15I suppose two or three times in the course of an afternoon,

0:40:15 > 0:40:19and I came out and somebody, a young person,

0:40:19 > 0:40:23said that they were arresting me for importuning.

0:40:23 > 0:40:28# Stockholm is a place that I adore

0:40:31 > 0:40:38# But the syndrome by that name is one that I abhor

0:40:38 > 0:40:43# Patty Hearst cannot compete with me

0:40:46 > 0:40:50# I bet she thinks she can

0:40:50 > 0:40:52# I'll prove her wrong

0:40:52 > 0:40:58# At tea for free

0:41:00 > 0:41:04# Words don't mean anything to you... #

0:41:04 > 0:41:05You're a pansy, aren't you?

0:41:05 > 0:41:07Pansy?

0:41:08 > 0:41:15# Emotions turn right into lies like black turns into blue

0:41:15 > 0:41:19# Because the fear has made you blind... #

0:41:19 > 0:41:22What's that, apart from being a flower?

0:41:22 > 0:41:28So, they took me to some police station, took my fingerprints.

0:41:28 > 0:41:33I was beaten up in a public lavatory and left lying on the floor.

0:41:35 > 0:41:38It was all rather messy and rather nasty, I'm afraid.

0:41:38 > 0:41:41# No more tangles

0:41:41 > 0:41:45# No more tears

0:41:45 > 0:41:48# No more reindeer games

0:41:48 > 0:41:54# With narcissistic queers

0:41:55 > 0:42:00# Or any other such type of human being... #

0:42:00 > 0:42:02I was beaten up in a public lavatory

0:42:02 > 0:42:06by a man who in fact made advances to me first of all.

0:42:08 > 0:42:14Erm, and when I reciprocated, he waited outside and beat me up.

0:42:16 > 0:42:18And, of course, I couldn't do anything,

0:42:18 > 0:42:19I couldn't call the police.

0:42:21 > 0:42:25Unfortunately, we were discovered by the police

0:42:25 > 0:42:29and one of the park keepers, and I was then arrested.

0:42:29 > 0:42:33And I was in the cell from Saturday afternoon until Monday morning.

0:42:33 > 0:42:36I never slept, just sat and cried.

0:42:36 > 0:42:39I'd only accept this brief, Mr Wilde, if you assure me,

0:42:39 > 0:42:41on your honour as an English gentleman,

0:42:41 > 0:42:44that there is no truth in the charges made against you.

0:42:46 > 0:42:48Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,

0:42:48 > 0:42:51it is indeed a sad and sickening sight...

0:42:51 > 0:42:55# Answers to questions... #

0:42:55 > 0:42:58I assure you as an Irish gentleman there is no truth whatever

0:42:58 > 0:43:00in any of it.

0:43:00 > 0:43:03The judge said afterwards, it always astounded him

0:43:03 > 0:43:10that in this type of case, all these homosexuals could produce

0:43:10 > 0:43:14witnesses who would swear they were of good character and so on.

0:43:16 > 0:43:20Why on earth shouldn't a homosexual be a good character?

0:43:20 > 0:43:25# You spend your days tied up in knots...

0:43:25 > 0:43:28I want my phone call, my phone call, my phone call!

0:43:28 > 0:43:35# You know how to tie them in your flesh and in your thoughts... #

0:43:35 > 0:43:39The Earl of Dudley in the House of Lords last year gave as his opinion

0:43:39 > 0:43:44that prison was too good for all homosexuals.

0:43:44 > 0:43:52# Tell me, how does one learn that at your age so that it sticks? #

0:44:02 > 0:44:05It is really hell for a person,

0:44:05 > 0:44:08and you get that you feel you want to jump off a bridge,

0:44:08 > 0:44:11you don't know what to do, you walk the streets,

0:44:11 > 0:44:14and you don't know a single person to talk to.

0:44:14 > 0:44:21Nowadays, I imagine you could find out information somewhere or other,

0:44:21 > 0:44:24but you couldn't then, before the war,

0:44:24 > 0:44:26it was all hush-hush.

0:44:32 > 0:44:37# No more angles, no more dumbing it down

0:44:37 > 0:44:41# Gee, your hair smells perfect

0:44:41 > 0:44:47# But I cannot stand to have you around

0:44:48 > 0:44:52# Not now

0:44:52 > 0:44:59# Or any other time. #

0:45:08 > 0:45:11Sorry I'm late, Sergeant, but I just couldn't leave home without bringing

0:45:11 > 0:45:15something bright and gay for the poor indisposed constables,

0:45:15 > 0:45:17and here we are, with my love.

0:45:17 > 0:45:21Oh, what have I said? With my very best floral greetings.

0:45:22 > 0:45:27"I am the love that dare not speak its name."

0:45:27 > 0:45:29Do you see in that any improper suggestion?

0:45:29 > 0:45:32No, nothing whatsoever.

0:45:32 > 0:45:36Anything is good that incites thoughts in whatever age?

0:45:36 > 0:45:38Whether moral or immoral.

0:45:38 > 0:45:44I think that the realisation of oneself is the prime aim of life,

0:45:44 > 0:45:47and that to realise oneself completely through pleasure is finer

0:45:47 > 0:45:50than to do so through pain.

0:45:50 > 0:45:53Enlightenment does not produce tolerance.

0:45:53 > 0:45:56Tolerance is the result of boredom.

0:45:56 > 0:46:00The facts have to be repeated over and over and over, and in the end,

0:46:00 > 0:46:03people say, "All right, so you're queer,

0:46:03 > 0:46:06"just talk about something else." And then the work is done.

0:46:06 > 0:46:08And this is the work, of course,

0:46:08 > 0:46:11of time, not of people, and not of legislation.

0:46:11 > 0:46:14Legislation makes almost no difference.

0:46:14 > 0:46:16It is the result of public opinion.

0:46:16 > 0:46:19You can't really force, especially in England,

0:46:19 > 0:46:23a law upon a people who is totally against it,

0:46:23 > 0:46:25because they will get round it.

0:46:25 > 0:46:29The more laws, you have the more fixers and the more snoopers.

0:46:39 > 0:46:42The swashbuckling approach, the heartiness, the thumping stride,

0:46:42 > 0:46:44the tough man's clothes -

0:46:44 > 0:46:47these things are natural to some lesbians, but mostly unacceptable

0:46:47 > 0:46:50to people outside that world.

0:46:50 > 0:46:52This means that for lesbians who want to relax in the kind of clothes

0:46:52 > 0:46:56and the kind of way that make them happy, there are few places to go.

0:46:56 > 0:46:59One of them is a club in Chelsea, a place where there is no longer

0:46:59 > 0:47:03any need to pretend. There they can dance, drink, flirt, make friends,

0:47:03 > 0:47:07discuss their problem with others who will understand.

0:47:07 > 0:47:11Normal people often say that they find the idea of physical sex

0:47:11 > 0:47:15between two women disgusting. What do you say to that?

0:47:15 > 0:47:18I regard sex as an expression of love.

0:47:18 > 0:47:20If you love someone, I think it's...

0:47:20 > 0:47:23Well, I think quite honestly it's cruel to withhold sex from them

0:47:23 > 0:47:27if this is what they and you want from the relationship.

0:47:27 > 0:47:31I think it is as cruel as it would be in a normal marriage.

0:47:31 > 0:47:33What do lesbians actually do?

0:47:33 > 0:47:37Allowing for the anatomical differences,

0:47:37 > 0:47:39the same sort of things as any normal couple do,

0:47:39 > 0:47:43with all the variations which normal couples indulge in.

0:47:56 > 0:48:03# Dial up my number now

0:48:03 > 0:48:10# Weaving it through the wire

0:48:10 > 0:48:13# Switch me on

0:48:13 > 0:48:15# Turn me up

0:48:16 > 0:48:23# Don't want it Baudelaire, just glitter lust

0:48:23 > 0:48:26# Switch me on

0:48:26 > 0:48:29# Turn me up

0:48:29 > 0:48:36# I want to touch you, you're just made for love

0:48:36 > 0:48:42# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la

0:48:42 > 0:48:48# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la

0:48:53 > 0:48:59# Coils up and round me

0:48:59 > 0:49:06# Teasing your poetry

0:49:06 > 0:49:09# Switch me on

0:49:09 > 0:49:13# Turn me up

0:49:13 > 0:49:18# Oh, child of Venus, you're just made for love

0:49:18 > 0:49:25# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la

0:49:25 > 0:49:32# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la

0:49:32 > 0:49:39# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la

0:49:39 > 0:49:45# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la

0:49:59 > 0:50:03# You know, I walk for days

0:50:03 > 0:50:06# I wanna waste some time

0:50:06 > 0:50:09# You wanna be so mean

0:50:09 > 0:50:13# You know I love to watch

0:50:13 > 0:50:16# I wanna love some more

0:50:16 > 0:50:19# It'll never be the same

0:50:19 > 0:50:22# A broken heel like a heart

0:50:22 > 0:50:26# I'll never walk again

0:50:31 > 0:50:32# Yeah!

0:50:38 > 0:50:45# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la

0:50:45 > 0:50:52# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la

0:50:52 > 0:50:59# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la

0:50:59 > 0:51:06# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la. #

0:51:06 > 0:51:09With two men, it's much easier.

0:51:09 > 0:51:13A bit quick, sometimes it may all happen in half an hour,

0:51:13 > 0:51:16and you may not even have spoken.

0:51:16 > 0:51:19But don't the anatomical differences between men and women mean that

0:51:19 > 0:51:22the sexual relationship can't be the same?

0:51:22 > 0:51:24No, they make very little difference.

0:51:27 > 0:51:30It's the person that matters, and not the sex.

0:51:30 > 0:51:31Would you say you were promiscuous?

0:51:31 > 0:51:33I am, yes.

0:51:35 > 0:51:37Why?

0:51:37 > 0:51:40Because I keep searching for someone to fall in love with.

0:51:42 > 0:51:45And when I don't find it in one person, I move on.

0:51:55 > 0:51:58- How long does it take?- Give it ten days, then ring through.

0:51:59 > 0:52:02Ten days?

0:52:02 > 0:52:04It's a long time to keep your fingers crossed.

0:52:04 > 0:52:10# I woke up today, it was very strange

0:52:10 > 0:52:17# I couldn't feel my skin, and there was evil in my bones... #

0:52:17 > 0:52:23Tonight, TVI talks to those with the killer disease AIDS.

0:52:23 > 0:52:26One of the victims is in hospital, the other is at home.

0:52:26 > 0:52:29Both are in their mid-30s and homosexual.

0:52:31 > 0:52:34They tell what it's like learning to live under sentence of death,

0:52:34 > 0:52:37and ask, will society learn to live with them too?

0:52:37 > 0:52:41# And I feel just like Sigourney Weaver

0:52:41 > 0:52:48# When she had to kill those aliens... #

0:52:50 > 0:52:54The history of AIDS in Britain is short but dramatic.

0:52:54 > 0:52:56The first death was recorded in 1982,

0:52:56 > 0:52:59when the word AIDS was hardly known,

0:52:59 > 0:53:02it was simply a mystery killer disease.

0:53:02 > 0:53:04But then the death toll grew,

0:53:04 > 0:53:08not fast by the standards of many other diseases, but fast enough.

0:53:08 > 0:53:12Until today, there have been 58 deaths, and alongside it, the panic.

0:53:12 > 0:53:14A fear that anybody could catch it.

0:53:16 > 0:53:17All that doctors can do

0:53:17 > 0:53:21is to stop each new problem being the fatal one.

0:53:21 > 0:53:25# The sky was black and filled with tiny silver holes

0:53:25 > 0:53:28# And it was there with a frightened voice

0:53:28 > 0:53:33# That I began to cry out loud

0:53:33 > 0:53:40# I feel just like Winona Ryder

0:53:41 > 0:53:48# In that movie about vampires

0:53:49 > 0:53:56# And she couldn't get that accent right

0:53:56 > 0:54:01# And neither could that other guy... #

0:54:01 > 0:54:05Are there potentially others than your lover who could be at risk?

0:54:05 > 0:54:09Oh, I feel sure that there could be.

0:54:09 > 0:54:12"I don't know," would be the answer to that question.

0:54:12 > 0:54:20If, as I understand it, the disease can stay in the body and

0:54:20 > 0:54:23not manifest itself in any illness for as long as four years,

0:54:23 > 0:54:28as I understand it, then obviously that's the truth, yes.

0:54:28 > 0:54:34- Many others?- Yes, I've always been a relatively well-adjusted gay.

0:54:34 > 0:54:41# I feel just like I am on Jupiter

0:54:41 > 0:54:49# One that looks like rainbow sherbet

0:54:49 > 0:54:56# But it doesn't lend itself to life

0:54:56 > 0:55:01# And I haven't finished yet. #

0:55:07 > 0:55:10What are you ashamed of in Britain today?

0:55:11 > 0:55:15Talking as a Londoner, I think in London itself, the amount of,

0:55:15 > 0:55:17or how rife homosexuality has become.

0:55:17 > 0:55:19It still... As you say, it's worse?

0:55:19 > 0:55:22I think in actual fact it has become worse over a period of time,

0:55:22 > 0:55:24but it's one of those things that you have to live with.

0:55:24 > 0:55:26Yes, I suppose so.

0:55:28 > 0:55:32All right, those at the back, settle down.

0:55:32 > 0:55:34Will you keep quiet?

0:55:34 > 0:55:37- Sir?- If you have any questions, put your hands up.

0:55:37 > 0:55:39- Sir?- Yes, Christopher?

0:55:39 > 0:55:40Is it true that you're bent?

0:55:46 > 0:55:48Do you mind repeating the question, Christopher?

0:55:48 > 0:55:50Is it true that you're a queer?

0:55:50 > 0:55:53CHILDREN JEER

0:55:53 > 0:55:56There's been a rumour going around the school that you're a queer.

0:55:56 > 0:55:58Come on, admit it.

0:55:58 > 0:55:59Yes, it's true.

0:55:59 > 0:56:01CHILDREN JEER

0:56:03 > 0:56:06All right, now you know, get on with the work.

0:56:06 > 0:56:09The question arose, and I discussed it.

0:56:09 > 0:56:10I answered their questions.

0:56:10 > 0:56:13Yes, but you must be more careful about this, Jeff.

0:56:13 > 0:56:16# What you got is a black belt in BS

0:56:16 > 0:56:20# But you can't hawk your pretty wares up in here any more

0:56:20 > 0:56:24# Hit your head on the playground at recess

0:56:24 > 0:56:28# Etch-a-sketch your way out of this one, reject! #

0:56:28 > 0:56:31They were asking me the usual stupid questions that children of that age

0:56:31 > 0:56:34do ask, because they don't know anything about the subject,

0:56:34 > 0:56:35they're not taught it anywhere,

0:56:35 > 0:56:37they certainly aren't taught it in this school.

0:56:37 > 0:56:39Yes, yes, yes, but...

0:56:43 > 0:56:47In Trafalgar Square today, over 3,000 people listened to speakers

0:56:47 > 0:56:50demanding changes in the law relating to the age of consent

0:56:50 > 0:56:53for homosexuals. The speakers were urging

0:56:53 > 0:56:59a reduction from the age of 21 to 16 for homosexuals.

0:57:03 > 0:57:07According to the law, young gay men don't exist.

0:57:07 > 0:57:14If you're 16, 17, 18, 19, or 20 and gay, then you're not here.

0:57:14 > 0:57:18Well, I'm here, and we're here and we will not be quiet

0:57:18 > 0:57:21until we get equality.

0:57:21 > 0:57:24What my honourable friend is seeking to do is to get this house

0:57:24 > 0:57:28to vote to legalise the buggery of adolescent males.

0:57:28 > 0:57:30Does she really think that that's what our constituents

0:57:30 > 0:57:32- have sent us here to do?- No.

0:57:32 > 0:57:36# What you got is a black belt in BS

0:57:36 > 0:57:39# But you can't hawk your pretty wares up in here any more

0:57:41 > 0:57:44# Hit your head on the playground at recess

0:57:44 > 0:57:48# Etch-a-sketch your way out of this one, reject! #

0:57:48 > 0:57:53How can we advise young gay men about the dangers of AIDS when what

0:57:53 > 0:57:57they're doing is supposed to be strictly against the law?

0:57:57 > 0:58:02Heterosexual activity is normal, and homosexual activity,

0:58:02 > 0:58:07putting your penis into another man's arsehole, is a perversion.

0:58:07 > 0:58:12Order, order, order. We can well do without talk like that.

0:58:13 > 0:58:18The ayes to the right were 280,

0:58:18 > 0:58:22the noes to the left were 307, so the noes have it.

0:58:22 > 0:58:28- 16... It's not 16. 16 has lost. - How do you know?

0:58:28 > 0:58:31They've just had the vote, the vote's just happened,

0:58:31 > 0:58:3616 has not happened. They're going to now vote on 18. We've lost 16!

0:58:36 > 0:58:39- How much have you lost by? - 27 votes.

0:58:39 > 0:58:41Bastards!

0:58:55 > 0:58:57People who don't know anything about our lives,

0:58:57 > 0:58:59don't know anything about being gay,

0:58:59 > 0:59:01are telling us how to live and who we have the right to sleep with,

0:59:01 > 0:59:05and we're just really fed up with it, you know. We've been waiting

0:59:05 > 0:59:08and waiting for change, and still it's thrown back in our face again.

0:59:08 > 0:59:11We're still not treated as if we're equals, still being devalued.

0:59:11 > 0:59:15Everybody's just furious, and it's not surprising, is it, really?

0:59:15 > 0:59:2216 now! 16 now! 16 now! 16 now! 16 now! 16 now! 16 now! 16 now!

0:59:23 > 0:59:27If everybody was a lesbian, if everybody was homosexual,

0:59:27 > 0:59:29I mean, the whole world would collapse.

0:59:29 > 0:59:32I mean, the human race would die out in a matter of a few generations.

0:59:32 > 0:59:35I mean, one of the sort of definitions of a living organism

0:59:35 > 0:59:38is that it should reproduce itself.

0:59:38 > 0:59:42Um, and... I mean, if everybody were homosexual,

0:59:42 > 0:59:44this planet would be dead.

0:59:44 > 0:59:48I think people really are worried about homosexuality in general.

0:59:48 > 0:59:50I think a lot of people are really scared of it as well.

0:59:50 > 0:59:54They don't really understand it, and it almost horrifies them.

0:59:54 > 0:59:57The thought of a couple walking down the street, the same sex,

0:59:57 > 1:00:00holding hands, and I think they'd rather walk away from it,

1:00:00 > 1:00:04avoid it, and not talk about it than really look at it openly and try and

1:00:04 > 1:00:06find out what it's all about.

1:00:06 > 1:00:10But I know a lot of people who are bothered by the fact that

1:00:10 > 1:00:14homosexuals in general do try to press their views on other people,

1:00:14 > 1:00:17and through programmes like this, they're almost sort of

1:00:17 > 1:00:21forcing their ways upon the majority.

1:00:21 > 1:00:26Anyone wanting more information from organisations dealing with lesbians,

1:00:26 > 1:00:29should send us a stamped addressed envelope for our fact sheet.

1:00:42 > 1:00:47# Is it difficult for you to be so beautiful?

1:00:48 > 1:00:55# Or do you find the advantages tend to outweigh the disadvantages?

1:00:57 > 1:00:58# Am I being rude?

1:01:01 > 1:01:07# I'm sorry, I've never really had the appropriate attitude...

1:01:07 > 1:01:09Punk's not dead!

1:01:14 > 1:01:19# Do you think that life is easier when one looks as good as you do?

1:01:20 > 1:01:25# Or do people always say that you are a narcissist?

1:01:26 > 1:01:31# Do they ingratiate themselves to you and act all obsequious?

1:01:33 > 1:01:38# Come on, now, baby, you can tell me, it's just between the two of us

1:01:38 > 1:01:41# Snug slacks, baby, snug slacks

1:01:41 > 1:01:44# Now you're giving me a different kind of panic attack

1:01:44 > 1:01:47# Sick joke, baby crack smoke,

1:01:47 > 1:01:50# Now take me out in your pick-up for a midnight poke

1:01:50 > 1:01:53# I said Stonehenge, baby, drug binge

1:01:53 > 1:01:57# Now you got me all damp down in my underpants

1:01:57 > 1:01:59# Snug slacks, baby, snug slacks

1:01:59 > 1:02:01# Now let's get you out of those

1:02:01 > 1:02:03# And see what kind of punch your manhood packs. #

1:02:10 > 1:02:11- Quite nice.- Yeah.- Just a minute,

1:02:11 > 1:02:14those girls over to your right, they're taking the mickey.

1:02:14 > 1:02:16Do you want me to go over and give them some verbal?

1:02:16 > 1:02:19You did the last two. Let me do these.

1:02:19 > 1:02:23Here, you ain't taking the piss out of us, are you?

1:02:23 > 1:02:26Don't look like that. Listen, I'll tell you something, darling,

1:02:26 > 1:02:27I get paid for making people laugh,

1:02:27 > 1:02:30and I object to you two having it for nothing, all right?

1:02:33 > 1:02:35Right, where were we?

1:02:36 > 1:02:38That's it.

1:02:39 > 1:02:41Yeah, I like that, it looks good.

1:02:41 > 1:02:44How do you think homosexuals reveal themselves

1:02:44 > 1:02:46when they're talking about ordinary topics?

1:02:47 > 1:02:50Perhaps in the assumptions they make about their future,

1:02:50 > 1:02:53which are going to be different from heterosexual futures.

1:02:56 > 1:03:00I make a deliberate effort in my conversation, sometimes,

1:03:00 > 1:03:04to imply that marriage is in my future.

1:03:04 > 1:03:08But talking at ease, I might give away the fact

1:03:08 > 1:03:13that, in practice, I know it's not going to be any part of my future.

1:03:13 > 1:03:16Is a relationship like this a sort of imitation marriage,

1:03:16 > 1:03:18or is it something quite different from that?

1:03:18 > 1:03:21It's not in fact an imitation marriage, it is a real marriage,

1:03:21 > 1:03:24in the sense that it is a union between two people.

1:03:26 > 1:03:29It can't, in fact, be precisely the same as a heterosexual marriage.

1:03:29 > 1:03:31There are no children, as you say,

1:03:31 > 1:03:36but in any other sense it is in fact a marriage between two people,

1:03:36 > 1:03:38and it is a permanent association of two people.

1:03:45 > 1:03:47When there is no opprobrium,

1:03:47 > 1:03:52when there is no humiliation heaped on homosexuals from outside,

1:03:52 > 1:03:54they will cease to have to confirm or deny.

1:03:56 > 1:03:58Unfortunately, of course,

1:03:58 > 1:04:02toleration has come in a form that is slightly insulting.

1:04:02 > 1:04:06That is to say, one imagined the message, when it came, would read,

1:04:06 > 1:04:11"Forgive us for having for so long allowed our prejudices to blind us

1:04:11 > 1:04:15"to your true worth and cross our unworthy threshold

1:04:15 > 1:04:20"with your broad-minded feet." Instead, the message now reads,

1:04:20 > 1:04:24"Oh, come in, the place is a mess, you'll love it."

1:04:27 > 1:04:29Will you marry me?

1:04:31 > 1:04:34# Boy, you knock me on my ass so hard

1:04:34 > 1:04:37# How could I know that you was holding that ace card?

1:04:37 > 1:04:41# When I saw you, my jaw hit the floor

1:04:41 > 1:04:44# Now I don't want them other boys no more

1:04:44 > 1:04:47# You sent a laser beam of love to my soul

1:04:47 > 1:04:51# You make me shake so hard I lose control

1:04:51 > 1:04:54# My sweet director, won't you give me the part?

1:04:54 > 1:04:58# Cos you're the one who jump-started my heart

1:05:04 > 1:05:08# Cos you're my supernatural defibrillator

1:05:08 > 1:05:11# You are my heavenly re-animator

1:05:11 > 1:05:15# You are my super sexy stimulator

1:05:15 > 1:05:18# You are my loneliness exterminator

1:05:21 > 1:05:24# Come on, baby, 'fore I come on glue

1:05:24 > 1:05:27# Don't make me wait, boy, that would be so rude

1:05:27 > 1:05:31# You got me where I always wanted to be

1:05:31 > 1:05:35# Right in front of you and down on my knees

1:05:35 > 1:05:37# I feel like someone punched me right in my head

1:05:37 > 1:05:41# I need to lay down, baby, take me to bed

1:05:41 > 1:05:44# You leave me gobsmacked, dumbfounded, twitterpated,

1:05:44 > 1:05:48# Bound and struck, stunned and shot, fuddled, discombobulated... #

1:05:54 > 1:05:58# Cos you're my supernatural defibrillator

1:05:58 > 1:06:02# You are my heavenly re-animator

1:06:02 > 1:06:06# You are my super sexy stimulator

1:06:06 > 1:06:09# You are my loneliness exterminator

1:06:09 > 1:06:12# You are my supernatural defibrillator

1:06:12 > 1:06:15# You are my heavenly re-animator

1:06:15 > 1:06:18# You are my super sexy stimulator

1:06:18 > 1:06:20# You are my loneliness exterminator... #

1:06:20 > 1:06:23I will not accept a pardon.

1:06:23 > 1:06:27To accept a pardon means that you accept that you were guilty.

1:06:27 > 1:06:29I was not guilty of anything.

1:06:29 > 1:06:31Not guilty of anything...

1:06:31 > 1:06:33Not guilty of anything...

1:06:33 > 1:06:34Not guilty of anything...

1:06:34 > 1:06:37Not guilty of anything...

1:06:42 > 1:06:46# Cos you're my supernatural defibrillator

1:06:46 > 1:06:49# You are my heavenly re-animator

1:06:49 > 1:06:53# You are my super sexy stimulator

1:06:53 > 1:06:56# You are my loneliness exterminator

1:06:56 > 1:06:59# You are my supernatural defibrillator

1:06:59 > 1:07:03# You are my heavenly re-animator

1:07:03 > 1:07:07# You are my super sexy stimulator

1:07:07 > 1:07:10# You are my loneliness exterminator. #

1:07:14 > 1:07:20# Adeline, you heard 'em sing about sweet Adeline

1:07:20 > 1:07:23# Hey, let me tell you she's a pal of mine

1:07:23 > 1:07:25# She's divine

1:07:25 > 1:07:31# That's just why I'm going back again to see my Adeline

1:07:31 > 1:07:35# All right, I'll never learn, I'm out of line

1:07:35 > 1:07:38# Did tell her that I'm going to make her mine

1:07:38 > 1:07:40# Bells will chime

1:07:40 > 1:07:44# For me and my sweet Adeline. #