0:00:02 > 0:00:06This programme contains some strong language and some scenes of a sexual nature.
0:00:06 > 0:00:08About one person in 20 is homosexual. On any busy street,
0:00:08 > 0:00:10you pass half a dozen every five minutes.
0:00:10 > 0:00:13Contrary to popular opinion, most of them don't look any different from anyone else.
0:00:13 > 0:00:16People can only tell the obvious ones, but they are a tiny minority.
0:00:29 > 0:00:34# For TC and his Honeybear
0:00:34 > 0:00:39# The world will not stop moving
0:00:42 > 0:00:47# For rendezvous and longing stares
0:00:47 > 0:00:54# And hearts that won't stop burning
0:00:55 > 0:01:00# Before that Honeybear had given up
0:01:00 > 0:01:05# He felt so sad and lonely
0:01:08 > 0:01:13# Then one night he looked up and he saw
0:01:13 > 0:01:18# He saw his one and only
0:01:21 > 0:01:26# When TC came onto the scene
0:01:26 > 0:01:31# He entered in on golden wings
0:01:34 > 0:01:39# And with him he brought butterflies
0:01:39 > 0:01:45# Of crimson red and emerald green
0:01:48 > 0:01:52# Cos before TC Honeybear was waiting
0:01:52 > 0:01:58# Was waiting for him patiently
0:02:01 > 0:02:06# TC took his fear away
0:02:06 > 0:02:12# Became his one and only... #
0:02:15 > 0:02:17- REPORTER:- Homosexuals usually live two lives,
0:02:17 > 0:02:19one of which is completely concealed
0:02:19 > 0:02:21from their family and colleagues.
0:02:21 > 0:02:23No-one knows, no.
0:02:23 > 0:02:25How would they react, if they did?
0:02:25 > 0:02:27They'd be tremendously shocked.
0:02:28 > 0:02:31The reason is that I live a very normal life...
0:02:32 > 0:02:35..back home. And I really live two lives -
0:02:35 > 0:02:37one here, and one up north.
0:02:38 > 0:02:41It's estimated that one man in 20 is a homosexual.
0:02:41 > 0:02:45These men are a minority - they receive minority treatment,
0:02:45 > 0:02:47face prejudice and intolerance,
0:02:47 > 0:02:49stand accused of depravity and vice.
0:02:49 > 0:02:52Whereas male homosexuality is a crime in Britain,
0:02:52 > 0:02:55female homosexuality is perfectly legal.
0:02:55 > 0:02:57Lesbians can be open about it.
0:02:57 > 0:02:59And yet, for women who love women,
0:02:59 > 0:03:03unqualified acceptance by our society still does not exist.
0:03:04 > 0:03:07And so lesbians receive the minority treatment -
0:03:07 > 0:03:09intolerance, suspicion, often disgust.
0:03:11 > 0:03:13In the heterosexual world,
0:03:13 > 0:03:15the homosexual disturbs conformist values,
0:03:15 > 0:03:18is shunned, and perhaps misunderstood.
0:03:18 > 0:03:21Most homosexuals must lead a secret, dark existence.
0:03:24 > 0:03:29# The world came crashing down on them
0:03:29 > 0:03:34# With all of its ferocity
0:03:37 > 0:03:42# And Honeybear was terrified
0:03:42 > 0:03:47# He said, do not take him, take me
0:03:50 > 0:03:54# Before that Honeybear had given up
0:03:54 > 0:03:59# He felt so sad and lonely... #
0:03:59 > 0:04:01I'll soon be back.
0:04:01 > 0:04:02Don't leave me here alone.
0:04:02 > 0:04:04Where are you going?
0:04:04 > 0:04:08# Then one night he looked up and he saw
0:04:08 > 0:04:13# He saw his one and only
0:04:16 > 0:04:22# And he said, please don't take him
0:04:24 > 0:04:29# Cos I love him
0:04:30 > 0:04:34# He's my joy
0:04:34 > 0:04:40# And my life
0:04:40 > 0:04:47# For my love I won't hesitate
0:04:47 > 0:04:54# I will give him all that his heart can take
0:04:54 > 0:05:02# And I'll trust him fearlessly
0:05:02 > 0:05:08# I want him to be free. #
0:05:14 > 0:05:16Among the ancient Greeks, it was normal practice.
0:05:16 > 0:05:19Socrates and Plato, the two greatest of philosophers,
0:05:19 > 0:05:21were both homosexual.
0:05:21 > 0:05:23So was Alexander the Great.
0:05:23 > 0:05:26Julius Caesar, a woman's man,
0:05:26 > 0:05:27and every man's woman.
0:05:27 > 0:05:30Many of the kings of England were homosexual -
0:05:30 > 0:05:33William Rufus, for instance, and Edward II,
0:05:33 > 0:05:35was the most notorious example.
0:05:35 > 0:05:39Perhaps the two greatest artists of all time were homosexual -
0:05:39 > 0:05:42Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo.
0:05:42 > 0:05:46At home, romantic poets like Shelley and Byron.
0:05:46 > 0:05:49The biggest scandal surrounding a British homosexual
0:05:49 > 0:05:51blew up round Oscar Wilde.
0:05:52 > 0:05:56"The love that dare not speak its name in this country
0:05:56 > 0:06:01"in such a great affection of an elder for a younger man,
0:06:01 > 0:06:04"as there was between David and Jonathan,
0:06:04 > 0:06:09"such as Plato made the very basis of his philosophy,
0:06:09 > 0:06:11"and such as you will find
0:06:11 > 0:06:14"in the sonnets of Michelangelo and Shakespeare.
0:06:17 > 0:06:20"It is that deep, spiritual affection,
0:06:20 > 0:06:24"which is as pure as it is perfect.
0:06:24 > 0:06:27"It is in this century so misunderstood
0:06:27 > 0:06:32"that it may be described as the love that dare not speak its name.
0:06:32 > 0:06:34"And on account of it,
0:06:34 > 0:06:37"I am placed where I am now.
0:06:38 > 0:06:41"It is beautiful, it is fine.
0:06:41 > 0:06:45"It is the noblest form of affection."
0:06:47 > 0:06:50Are they born that way, or do they become like it?
0:06:50 > 0:06:53Well, I don't think they are born that way.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57I think the damage is probably done very early in infancy,
0:06:57 > 0:06:59in some cases. Sometimes later.
0:06:59 > 0:07:02The amount of sexual drive a person
0:07:02 > 0:07:06has may certainly be decided partly genetically,
0:07:06 > 0:07:07but not its direction.
0:07:14 > 0:07:18# We could have skipped this part
0:07:18 > 0:07:22# I could have taught you how to love yourself
0:07:22 > 0:07:26# I waited patiently
0:07:26 > 0:07:30# I hoped that you would be the one to come to me
0:07:30 > 0:07:33# I tried to talk to you
0:07:35 > 0:07:39# I thought that you would recognise the need
0:07:39 > 0:07:41# That you had deep inside
0:07:42 > 0:07:46# But you had to get there by yourself
0:07:47 > 0:07:51# I don't understand Help me, please
0:07:51 > 0:07:56# Tell me everything and make me see
0:07:56 > 0:07:59# You know that I would give you anything
0:07:59 > 0:08:04# I'd take away your pain Yeah, I'd take away the stain
0:08:04 > 0:08:07# I don't understand Help me, please
0:08:08 > 0:08:12# Tell me everything and make me see
0:08:12 > 0:08:15# You know that I would give you anything
0:08:15 > 0:08:19# I'd take away your pain and I'd take away the stain... #
0:08:34 > 0:08:37Because lesbians are a cross-section,
0:08:37 > 0:08:38by the sheer law of averages
0:08:38 > 0:08:41there are naturally many to be found in those professions
0:08:41 > 0:08:43which are predominantly staffed by women,
0:08:43 > 0:08:45like nursing and teaching.
0:08:45 > 0:08:48Now, you're a schoolteacher and, as you must know,
0:08:48 > 0:08:50a tremendous number of parents
0:08:50 > 0:08:52are really frightened at the idea that
0:08:52 > 0:08:55their daughter might be taught by a lesbian teacher.
0:08:55 > 0:08:57What's your comment on that?
0:08:58 > 0:09:01Well, I suppose there is a danger, in some cases.
0:09:01 > 0:09:02But, um...
0:09:02 > 0:09:04I mean, if there were... If there was...
0:09:04 > 0:09:07If this was...really dangerous, I mean,
0:09:07 > 0:09:10no man would be allowed to teach in a girl's school,
0:09:10 > 0:09:12and no-one's going to suggest that.
0:09:12 > 0:09:13As far as I'm concerned,
0:09:13 > 0:09:16my professional life and my private life are utterly separate,
0:09:16 > 0:09:19and have to be utterly separate.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22Do you feel any sexual attraction for the girls you teach?
0:09:22 > 0:09:23None at all.
0:09:24 > 0:09:28# I don't understand Help me, please
0:09:28 > 0:09:30# Tell me everything and make me see
0:09:32 > 0:09:35# You know that I would give you anything
0:09:35 > 0:09:40# I'd take away your pain Yeah, I'd take away the stain... #
0:09:40 > 0:09:42Recently I-I've seen some children -
0:09:42 > 0:09:44very young children, three and four...
0:09:46 > 0:09:47..even people I work with,
0:09:47 > 0:09:50remark that, there's no question about it,
0:09:50 > 0:09:53these children will grow up to be homosexual.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56They're very sensitive, soft, warm,
0:09:56 > 0:09:58gentle children,
0:09:58 > 0:10:00in comparison to other children, perhaps, of the same age,
0:10:00 > 0:10:03who are brisk and rough and tumble.
0:10:05 > 0:10:07One felt that there was something there that...
0:10:07 > 0:10:09was sympathetic.
0:10:15 > 0:10:17# Help me, please
0:10:18 > 0:10:26# Why don't you come to me? #
0:10:26 > 0:10:28Once a girl is lesbian,
0:10:28 > 0:10:30can anything be done to change that?
0:10:31 > 0:10:34I think so, if she's still fairly young...
0:10:35 > 0:10:39..and she's dissatisfied herself with her way of life.
0:10:40 > 0:10:44This depends terribly on how early the damage was done,
0:10:44 > 0:10:45how deep it goes...
0:10:49 > 0:10:53..and basically, again, I suppose on her own feelings about it.
0:10:53 > 0:10:55# I would give you anything
0:10:55 > 0:10:59# I'd take away your pain Yeah, I'd take away the stain
0:10:59 > 0:11:03# I don't understand Help me, please
0:11:03 > 0:11:07# Tell me everything and make me see
0:11:07 > 0:11:11# You know that I would give you anything
0:11:11 > 0:11:15# I'd take away your pain, yeah, I'd take away the stain. #
0:11:20 > 0:11:22UPBEAT JAZZ MUSIC
0:11:56 > 0:11:58- You could talk to him. - It's not a mother's job.
0:11:58 > 0:12:00He's always been a mother's boy.
0:12:00 > 0:12:02He never once forgot Mother's Day.
0:12:02 > 0:12:05You know, I don't remember him bringing a single girl home
0:12:05 > 0:12:06all the time I've known him.
0:12:06 > 0:12:08I knew there was something,
0:12:08 > 0:12:11but I just couldn't put me finger on it.
0:12:11 > 0:12:13Oh, come on, now, he was going to be a bachelor, a celibate.
0:12:15 > 0:12:18Your son's not one of those, is he, Hilda?
0:12:18 > 0:12:19PHONE RINGS
0:12:19 > 0:12:21Where's, um...
0:12:21 > 0:12:23Jo?
0:12:23 > 0:12:26Couldn't she come? I'd so looked forward to meeting her.
0:12:26 > 0:12:27METAL CLANGS
0:12:30 > 0:12:32I tripped over the central heating.
0:12:32 > 0:12:35I'm always falling over something. I hope I haven't wrecked it.
0:12:35 > 0:12:36MELANCHOLY TRUMPET PLAYS
0:12:39 > 0:12:41# I've felt uncomfortable
0:12:41 > 0:12:44# Since the day that I was born
0:12:44 > 0:12:50# Since the day I glimpsed the black abyss in your eyes
0:12:50 > 0:12:57# There's no way you could make all of this shit up on your own
0:12:57 > 0:13:03# It could only come from the mastermind of lies... #
0:13:03 > 0:13:07My parents weren't affectionate.
0:13:07 > 0:13:09I always grew up with a dislike for my father.
0:13:10 > 0:13:12Consequently, a tremendous attachment to my mother.
0:13:12 > 0:13:15You know, there's nothing wrong about that young man of mine
0:13:15 > 0:13:17that a good woman won't cure.
0:13:17 > 0:13:21May the Lord be in your heart and on your lips, that you may,
0:13:21 > 0:13:24with truth and humility, confess all your sins
0:13:24 > 0:13:29in the name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Ghost.
0:13:30 > 0:13:35# I can't believe that I've considered taking my own life
0:13:35 > 0:13:41# Cos I believed the lies about me were the truth...
0:13:41 > 0:13:43I pray, Father, give me your blessing.
0:13:43 > 0:13:46# It will be magic to watch your transformation
0:13:46 > 0:13:48# When you realise that you've been had
0:13:48 > 0:13:54# It's enough to make a guy like me feel sad...
0:13:54 > 0:13:55Yes, Sister.
0:13:55 > 0:13:57# Cos you tell me that Jesus
0:13:57 > 0:13:59# He hates fruit loops, son
0:13:59 > 0:14:02# We told you that when you were young
0:14:02 > 0:14:06# Or pretty much anything you want him to
0:14:06 > 0:14:09# Like sitcoms, paedophiles and kangaroos
0:14:09 > 0:14:12# Morons who cut in line
0:14:12 > 0:14:15# Three-bean salad and parking fines
0:14:15 > 0:14:18# And when we win this war on society
0:14:18 > 0:14:24# I hope your blind eyes will be opened and you'll see
0:14:25 > 0:14:32# The arrogance it takes to walk around in the world the way you do
0:14:32 > 0:14:37# It turns my brain to jelly every time
0:14:38 > 0:14:44# The rage and fear I'm feeling have begun to make me sick
0:14:44 > 0:14:50# And I think that I might be about to commit a crime
0:14:50 > 0:14:52# And you tell me that Jesus
0:14:52 > 0:14:54# He hates homos, son
0:14:54 > 0:14:58# We told you that when you were young... #
0:14:58 > 0:14:59Men?
0:14:59 > 0:15:02You look like a couple of queers.
0:15:02 > 0:15:05Ah, don't take any notice of what Dot said.
0:15:05 > 0:15:08I tell you, she had me worried for a minute, though.
0:15:08 > 0:15:11Just because our Arthur's marriage hasn't gone right yet,
0:15:11 > 0:15:13you've no call to talk about him being queer.
0:15:13 > 0:15:15It's ridiculous...
0:15:16 > 0:15:18..innit?
0:15:23 > 0:15:26No!
0:15:26 > 0:15:29Suppose there was - is that something to get at a lad for?
0:15:29 > 0:15:32Well, it's not normal, is it?
0:15:32 > 0:15:34Where you going?
0:15:35 > 0:15:37I'm going to get a refill for my lipstick.
0:15:37 > 0:15:39Pray, Father, give me your blessing.
0:15:39 > 0:15:41It is three weeks since my last confession,
0:15:41 > 0:15:42and I accuse myself of...
0:15:42 > 0:15:45dishonouring my parents, many times.
0:15:45 > 0:15:49# Cos Jesus, he hates faggots, son
0:15:49 > 0:15:52# We told you that when you were young
0:15:52 > 0:15:55# Or pretty much any one you want him to
0:15:55 > 0:16:00# Like niggers, spics, redskins and kikes, men who... #
0:16:00 > 0:16:03I don't know what's the matter with you. You ain't normal.
0:16:03 > 0:16:04Aren't we getting off the subject?
0:16:04 > 0:16:06Shut up.
0:16:06 > 0:16:07# And when we win the war on society... #
0:16:07 > 0:16:09What the fuck is your problem?!
0:16:09 > 0:16:15# I hope your blind eyes will be opened and you'll see. #
0:16:15 > 0:16:17Nature would have done it,
0:16:17 > 0:16:20and a father should help and protect a lad like that,
0:16:20 > 0:16:22not turn on him like the mob would when it sees somebody different.
0:16:25 > 0:16:28When, in the end, the penny dropped, how did you react?
0:16:29 > 0:16:31With relief more than anything.
0:16:31 > 0:16:33Relief at knowing...
0:16:33 > 0:16:35At being certain, at last,
0:16:35 > 0:16:37what I was, and how I fitted in.
0:16:39 > 0:16:41I think uncertainty, not knowing what you are,
0:16:41 > 0:16:43not knowing how you fit into society,
0:16:43 > 0:16:45this is the worst thing of all.
0:16:45 > 0:16:47REPORTER: The mother of one of the lesbians
0:16:47 > 0:16:49who has appeared in this programme,
0:16:49 > 0:16:52told me how she discovered that her daughter was homosexual.
0:16:52 > 0:16:54How did you react at the time? What did you feel?
0:16:56 > 0:16:58Oh, well at first, terrific shock.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02And...fear, to a certain extent.
0:17:02 > 0:17:07Not for ourselves, and not for what people would think, really,
0:17:07 > 0:17:11but fear for her, what she'd have to face in her future life.
0:17:11 > 0:17:14I think that was the worst part about it.
0:17:16 > 0:17:19A minority of lesbians can be recognised as such.
0:17:19 > 0:17:22This 19-year-old girl has worn nothing but boys' clothes
0:17:22 > 0:17:23for some years.
0:17:23 > 0:17:24Well...
0:17:26 > 0:17:29..I was brought up with boys - I've got no sisters.
0:17:29 > 0:17:31I think I was more or less a tomboy
0:17:31 > 0:17:34from the start, from a very early age.
0:17:34 > 0:17:35How do the shop assistants react
0:17:35 > 0:17:38when you walk in to buy men's clothes?
0:17:38 > 0:17:41Well, nine times out of ten, they don't know that I'm a girl.
0:17:41 > 0:17:44But there is the odd occasion where I've gone into a shop
0:17:44 > 0:17:46and they've said, you know, "Yes, sir?"
0:17:46 > 0:17:50And then somebody's said, "Is that a girl?"
0:17:50 > 0:17:51Good morning, sir.
0:17:51 > 0:17:53Oh, good morning, miss.
0:17:53 > 0:17:55Good morning. A red rose, please.
0:17:56 > 0:17:58There.
0:17:58 > 0:18:00- Thank you.- Thanks.
0:18:02 > 0:18:05- Oh, good morning, Kate. - Good morning, sir.
0:18:05 > 0:18:07- Could I have a buttonhole? - Well, I haven't got any...
0:18:07 > 0:18:08A few violets?
0:18:08 > 0:18:11Oh, that'll do nicely. Do you mind if I pay you on Saturday?
0:18:11 > 0:18:12HE GIGGLES
0:18:14 > 0:18:15Strewth.
0:18:15 > 0:18:17What do you make of that, Sam?
0:18:17 > 0:18:20Well, boys will be girls, and girls will be boys!
0:18:29 > 0:18:32# Stranger
0:18:32 > 0:18:37# When you look at me
0:18:39 > 0:18:43# Eyes strong as steel
0:18:43 > 0:18:45# Light as day
0:18:48 > 0:18:51# Born a mystery
0:18:52 > 0:18:56# You're the in-between
0:18:57 > 0:19:00# Boy or girl
0:19:01 > 0:19:05# Ooh-ooh ooh-ooh
0:19:08 > 0:19:10# Wilder
0:19:10 > 0:19:15# Than I've known before
0:19:17 > 0:19:20# Fire rushes through
0:19:20 > 0:19:23# Every vein
0:19:25 > 0:19:29# With a smile that sings
0:19:30 > 0:19:35# You'll be killing me
0:19:35 > 0:19:38# Tenderly
0:19:39 > 0:19:42# Ooh-ooh ooh-ooh
0:19:44 > 0:19:48# Ooh-ooh ooh-ooh ooh
0:19:48 > 0:19:52# Ooh-ooh ooh-ooh
0:19:55 > 0:20:00# Every word
0:20:00 > 0:20:03# Is soft as fur
0:20:03 > 0:20:07# I'm drifting deeper... #
0:20:07 > 0:20:09Yes?
0:20:09 > 0:20:12Get in there. Come on, move!
0:20:12 > 0:20:14- Crisp, sir.- Sit down.
0:20:19 > 0:20:21Your hair's dyed.
0:20:21 > 0:20:23Yes, sir.
0:20:23 > 0:20:27A man dyeing his hair is a sign of sexual perversion.
0:20:27 > 0:20:31# Ooh-ooh ooh
0:20:31 > 0:20:36# Stranger, will you remember?
0:20:36 > 0:20:40# Stranger, make me
0:20:40 > 0:20:43# Remember you... #
0:20:43 > 0:20:45I am Doctor Crow.
0:20:45 > 0:20:46You are surprised?
0:20:46 > 0:20:48Yes, I am!
0:20:48 > 0:20:50I expected you to be a man.
0:20:50 > 0:20:51Or a woman.
0:20:51 > 0:20:53I am both,
0:20:53 > 0:20:55with the combined mental and physical endowments
0:20:55 > 0:20:57of both man and woman.
0:20:57 > 0:21:00You must have great difficulty with your clothes.
0:21:00 > 0:21:02Do you read your Bible?
0:21:02 > 0:21:04Not constantly.
0:21:04 > 0:21:06"Male and female created he them."
0:21:09 > 0:21:14Male and female created he me.
0:21:14 > 0:21:15Steve Rogers and her girlfriend
0:21:15 > 0:21:18don't often walk down the street for pleasure.
0:21:18 > 0:21:20There's too much risk involved.
0:21:20 > 0:21:24Risk of public mockery, undisguised amazement, crude jokes.
0:21:24 > 0:21:28Many lesbians, of course, aren't so aggressively masculine as Steve,
0:21:28 > 0:21:29and for them, it's not so bad.
0:21:29 > 0:21:31But for Steve, who's 24,
0:21:31 > 0:21:35and whose whole instinct cries out to her to feel and act like a man,
0:21:35 > 0:21:38her appearance makes her constantly vulnerable.
0:21:38 > 0:21:40When I was 15, no, 16, sorry,
0:21:40 > 0:21:44I met this girl and, um...
0:21:44 > 0:21:46I was with her for six months, and I got engaged to her.
0:21:46 > 0:21:48I really forgot that I was a woman.
0:21:49 > 0:21:53And she thought she was pregnant.
0:21:54 > 0:21:57Because there's some things that a lesbian can use,
0:21:57 > 0:21:59and I got away with using one of those.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02- And she never discovered...?- And she didn't know the difference, no.
0:22:04 > 0:22:07The next thing I know, her mother kept on about us getting married.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10So I thought, "Oh, I better get out of it,"
0:22:10 > 0:22:12you know, cos I knew I couldn't get married to her.
0:22:12 > 0:22:14And... So then I hopped it,
0:22:14 > 0:22:17and the next thing I know, the police are after me.
0:22:17 > 0:22:18The girl thinks she's pregnant
0:22:18 > 0:22:22and they're taking me to court for breach of promise and that.
0:22:22 > 0:22:25They took me to court, and then it all came out, that I was a girl.
0:22:25 > 0:22:29No cure has yet been found for the homosexual condition.
0:22:29 > 0:22:31Perhaps none ever will.
0:22:31 > 0:22:32But I asked homosexuals
0:22:32 > 0:22:35if they would still choose to remain homosexuals,
0:22:35 > 0:22:37if they had the opportunity to change.
0:22:39 > 0:22:44No. The society being what it is, I would be heterosexual.
0:22:44 > 0:22:47If you could live life all over again and could choose,
0:22:47 > 0:22:48would you choose to be a homosexual?
0:22:50 > 0:22:52Not unless it was thrust upon me, as it has been...
0:22:54 > 0:22:58..by the fact that I am, and there's nothing I can do about it,
0:22:58 > 0:23:01heaven knows I've tried. Erm...
0:23:03 > 0:23:07No, there's absolutely no advantage in being a homosexual
0:23:07 > 0:23:10in a heterosexual world, obviously.
0:23:12 > 0:23:15And there's no happiness, really.
0:23:15 > 0:23:18# You just want to live your life
0:23:18 > 0:23:22# The best way you know how
0:23:22 > 0:23:25# But they keep on telling you
0:23:25 > 0:23:29# That you are not allowed
0:23:29 > 0:23:32# They say you are sick
0:23:32 > 0:23:37# That you should hang your head in shame
0:23:37 > 0:23:39# They are pointing fingers
0:23:39 > 0:23:44# And want you to take the blame... #
0:23:44 > 0:23:46- A brain specialist?- Psychiatrist.
0:23:47 > 0:23:49I thought as much.
0:23:50 > 0:23:52You want to psychoanalyse me, don't you?
0:23:52 > 0:23:54You want to look inside my brain and see how the wheels go around.
0:23:54 > 0:23:56Now, wait a moment, Frere...
0:23:56 > 0:23:57Dissect me like a guinea pig.
0:23:57 > 0:24:00Then show me off to your distinguished colleagues
0:24:00 > 0:24:02as an interesting case.
0:24:02 > 0:24:03That's it, isn't it?
0:24:03 > 0:24:06Hardly, but it's possible that I may be able to help you.
0:24:06 > 0:24:09Perhaps you'll have a case history that'll make your complexes stand
0:24:09 > 0:24:12on end, and you can write a big, fat book all about it, eh?
0:24:12 > 0:24:13HE LAUGHS MOCKINGLY
0:24:15 > 0:24:22# This pain
0:24:22 > 0:24:29# It is a glacier moving through you... #
0:24:29 > 0:24:31Doctors, more than most people,
0:24:31 > 0:24:34should perhaps understand what causes men to be homosexual.
0:24:34 > 0:24:37This man is a doctor, but he's also a homosexual.
0:24:37 > 0:24:40It just makes you feel, well, you'd just as well be in prison,
0:24:40 > 0:24:42because it's a sort of prison anyway.
0:24:42 > 0:24:44Do you think you need help?
0:24:44 > 0:24:45Yes, I do.
0:24:45 > 0:24:48I think everybody who's a homosexual needs help.
0:24:48 > 0:24:50Homosexuality is one manifestation
0:24:50 > 0:24:52of a failure to fully develop.
0:24:52 > 0:24:54Does your mother know about you?
0:24:54 > 0:24:56- Yeah.- What does she think?
0:24:56 > 0:24:58She just thinks it's disgusting, she can't accept it.
0:25:00 > 0:25:05# Don't you become paralysed with fear
0:25:05 > 0:25:11# When things seem particularly rough... #
0:25:14 > 0:25:16Did you find it very hard to come to terms with the fact
0:25:16 > 0:25:18that you are homosexual?
0:25:19 > 0:25:23Yes. From when I was about 16 till about...
0:25:24 > 0:25:27..20, 22 or 23.
0:25:29 > 0:25:33The whole of that time, it was associated in my mind with guilt,
0:25:33 > 0:25:35sordid matters...
0:25:37 > 0:25:39..elderly, unpleasant men.
0:25:42 > 0:25:49# Don't you pay them fuckers as they say no never mind
0:25:49 > 0:25:53# They don't give two shits about you
0:25:53 > 0:25:57# It's the blind leading the blind
0:25:57 > 0:26:04# What they want is commonly referred to as theocracy
0:26:04 > 0:26:07# And what that boils down to
0:26:07 > 0:26:11# Is referred to as hypocrisy
0:26:11 > 0:26:15# Don't listen to anyone
0:26:15 > 0:26:19# Get answers on your own
0:26:19 > 0:26:23# Even if it means that sometimes
0:26:23 > 0:26:26# You feel quite alone
0:26:26 > 0:26:34# No-one on this planet can tell you what to believe
0:26:34 > 0:26:37# People like to talk a lot
0:26:37 > 0:26:42# And they like to deceive... #
0:26:43 > 0:26:45Did you ever go to your family at Christmas?
0:26:45 > 0:26:47I haven't got any family, dear.
0:26:47 > 0:26:50I never got on with them anyway.
0:26:50 > 0:26:51I did have a friend.
0:26:51 > 0:26:56# A glacier moving through you
0:26:58 > 0:27:00# And carving out deep valleys... #
0:27:00 > 0:27:01We lived together for years.
0:27:03 > 0:27:09# And creating spectacular landscapes... #
0:27:09 > 0:27:11A real love match it was, you know?
0:27:13 > 0:27:15Well, I've never wanted anything since.
0:27:15 > 0:27:17# And nourishing the ground
0:27:17 > 0:27:20# With precious minerals
0:27:20 > 0:27:25# And other stuff
0:27:27 > 0:27:32# So don't you become paralysed with fear
0:27:33 > 0:27:38# When things seem particularly rough
0:27:38 > 0:27:41# O-o-oh
0:27:41 > 0:27:48# This pain
0:27:48 > 0:27:55# It is a glacier moving through you
0:27:57 > 0:28:02# And carving out deep valleys
0:28:02 > 0:28:09# And creating spectacular landscapes
0:28:12 > 0:28:16# And nourishing the ground
0:28:16 > 0:28:19# With precious minerals
0:28:19 > 0:28:26# And other stuff
0:28:26 > 0:28:31# So, don't you become paralysed with fear
0:28:32 > 0:28:38# When things seem particularly rough. #
0:28:38 > 0:28:42I think one of the barriers to public acceptance for you
0:28:42 > 0:28:45is that normal people, or most normal people,
0:28:45 > 0:28:48find what you physically do disgusting.
0:28:50 > 0:28:53Well, personally I find that
0:28:53 > 0:28:58what a normal heterosexual couple do is just the same to me.
0:28:58 > 0:28:59I find it...
0:28:59 > 0:29:02Well, I won't say disgusting, but unnatural and repulsive.
0:29:03 > 0:29:05Sorry for them?
0:29:05 > 0:29:07Not me. It's always excuses.
0:29:07 > 0:29:09Every newspaper you pick up, it's excuses.
0:29:09 > 0:29:13Environment, too much love as kids, too little love as kids,
0:29:13 > 0:29:14they can't help it.
0:29:14 > 0:29:17We are in danger of permanently damaging our social fabric.
0:29:17 > 0:29:21This is dealing with a twilight area of abnormal people.
0:29:21 > 0:29:25What is lesbianism, what causes it, can it be cured?
0:29:25 > 0:29:26I wish I was normal.
0:29:26 > 0:29:27I want to be cured.
0:29:44 > 0:29:47- Would you like to be cured?- No.
0:29:47 > 0:29:50- Why not?- I'm perfectly happy the way I am.
0:29:50 > 0:29:52I have no desire to be heterosexual.
0:29:52 > 0:29:56I don't see any advantages in being heterosexual.
0:29:58 > 0:30:02Except for the fact that one might have police protection, but...
0:30:02 > 0:30:05No, no, I have no desire to change.
0:30:06 > 0:30:07Even if I could.
0:30:09 > 0:30:12Can you tell by looking at a woman whether she's lesbian or not?
0:30:12 > 0:30:15- Not at all.- You think that's a complete myth?
0:30:15 > 0:30:20An absolute myth, because I've been looking out hard enough.
0:30:22 > 0:30:25For years and years and years, I've fallen in love with...
0:30:26 > 0:30:28..various women.
0:30:29 > 0:30:33But they've never reciprocated my feeling,
0:30:33 > 0:30:38not until I was 36 did anyone reciprocate my feeling.
0:30:42 > 0:30:47And I used to fall in love and then feel quite happy about it at first,
0:30:47 > 0:30:49and I thought, "Oh, but it's hopeless,
0:30:49 > 0:30:54"you won't reciprocate my feeling," and I was right, she didn't.
0:30:54 > 0:30:59I very often remained friendly with that person, but, of course,
0:30:59 > 0:31:01I was very disappointed.
0:31:01 > 0:31:04Most homosexuals dread getting old, dread losing their looks,
0:31:04 > 0:31:07fear in particular the final loneliness
0:31:07 > 0:31:09of living without a companion.
0:31:09 > 0:31:10Like men needing wives,
0:31:10 > 0:31:13they search for someone with whom they can establish a lasting
0:31:13 > 0:31:17relationship, which includes warmth and protection, as well as sex.
0:31:17 > 0:31:21These two have done that, have lived together for 26 years.
0:31:21 > 0:31:24They might almost be a married couple, but they're still queer.
0:31:26 > 0:31:28Have they been happy?
0:31:28 > 0:31:32Compared with a lot of married couples,
0:31:32 > 0:31:34reasonably, yes, reasonably happy.
0:31:34 > 0:31:37After all, everywhere around
0:31:37 > 0:31:39everything is made for married people,
0:31:39 > 0:31:40it's not made for people like us.
0:31:42 > 0:31:43Things are awkward, aren't they?
0:31:45 > 0:31:48A comfortable house in Wandsworth indistinguishable from thousands of
0:31:48 > 0:31:50homes owned by married couples.
0:31:50 > 0:31:53It's where a lesbian couple have lived for four years -
0:31:53 > 0:31:55a domestic life which began as conventionally
0:31:55 > 0:31:59as any normal married couple when they fell in love.
0:31:59 > 0:32:01Homosexual practices may not be approved of,
0:32:01 > 0:32:04homosexual love cannot be denied.
0:32:04 > 0:32:07The feeling of being in love, I'm sure it's exactly the same
0:32:07 > 0:32:08for men and for women.
0:32:08 > 0:32:12The feeling of deep emotion towards someone. And...
0:32:12 > 0:32:14With me, it happened quite suddenly.
0:32:14 > 0:32:17I had, in fact, only known Julie a few days.
0:32:36 > 0:32:40# My love is the rarest jewel
0:32:40 > 0:32:45# And he grounds me with his love
0:32:45 > 0:32:51# My love, he is rich like caramel
0:32:51 > 0:32:54# And he moves me from above
0:32:54 > 0:32:58# He sees me with tiger eyes
0:32:58 > 0:33:03# And that's where I make my home
0:33:03 > 0:33:07# His heart is a shield
0:33:07 > 0:33:13# Which protects me from the vilest foe
0:33:13 > 0:33:16# His smile's an elixir
0:33:16 > 0:33:22# Which heals the wounds of my darkest years
0:33:22 > 0:33:25# When my love is quiet
0:33:25 > 0:33:27# I consider him
0:33:27 > 0:33:34# And he drives away my fears
0:33:34 > 0:33:39# My love he reveals himself
0:33:39 > 0:33:43# With tenderness and grace
0:33:43 > 0:33:48# My love has constructed with his arms
0:33:48 > 0:33:53# For me the safest place
0:33:53 > 0:33:57# His laughter destroys my doubts
0:33:57 > 0:34:02# And lifts me up so high
0:34:02 > 0:34:06# His voice it is soothing
0:34:06 > 0:34:11# Like a warm breeze on a summer night
0:34:11 > 0:34:15# When he envelops me
0:34:15 > 0:34:17# I give myself to him
0:34:17 > 0:34:23# And my soul takes flight... #
0:34:23 > 0:34:27Most homosexual partnerships are not so lasting.
0:34:27 > 0:34:30This young waiter talked about the break-up of his.
0:34:30 > 0:34:35Initially, I think one of the main reasons why it started to break up
0:34:35 > 0:34:37was because we were very young when we came together.
0:34:37 > 0:34:39We were both 19.
0:34:39 > 0:34:42He was much more a man about town,
0:34:42 > 0:34:44much more worldly than I was,
0:34:44 > 0:34:47and I looked to him for a great deal of protection,
0:34:47 > 0:34:51and as the years went by and I began to develop,
0:34:51 > 0:34:54I became more and more independent of him.
0:34:54 > 0:34:57But I certainly didn't love him any the less
0:34:57 > 0:34:59than what I did from the beginning.
0:34:59 > 0:35:01But I think that he resented the fact that
0:35:01 > 0:35:05I was no longer dependent on him for anything.
0:35:05 > 0:35:09And this was the cancer that started in our relationship,
0:35:09 > 0:35:11and eventually made it break.
0:35:11 > 0:35:16# Horrifying as it was for me
0:35:16 > 0:35:19# To see your face today
0:35:19 > 0:35:22# I guess I knew that it would happen
0:35:22 > 0:35:24# At some point
0:35:26 > 0:35:29# And I dreaded it because I knew... #
0:35:29 > 0:35:31How I ever came to think you were so marvellous...
0:35:31 > 0:35:33Bertie, for God's sake, go away!
0:35:35 > 0:35:36I have two children.
0:35:38 > 0:35:40I didn't want to hurt you.
0:35:40 > 0:35:43# So you observe the strict rules
0:35:43 > 0:35:47# Laid out in the books of etiquette... #
0:35:47 > 0:35:49Please!
0:35:49 > 0:35:52# And tell me you hope I enjoy my stay... #
0:35:52 > 0:35:54Happy, are you? Happy?
0:35:54 > 0:35:55I despise you!
0:35:55 > 0:35:59I disgust you, I know, because you disgust me.
0:35:59 > 0:36:03When slaves love each other, it's not love.
0:36:03 > 0:36:05I'm not married to you, George.
0:36:05 > 0:36:09Don't like that.
0:36:09 > 0:36:10Stay with me.
0:36:10 > 0:36:13You're the only one left.
0:36:13 > 0:36:15# You know, I hate this fucking town
0:36:15 > 0:36:17# You cannot even leave your fucking house...
0:36:17 > 0:36:18Come back!
0:36:18 > 0:36:22# Without running into someone who no longer cares about you...
0:36:22 > 0:36:24No, don't turn away from me. Take me in your arms.
0:36:24 > 0:36:26Oh!
0:36:26 > 0:36:28# Somebody who you desperately want to see...
0:36:28 > 0:36:30Oh!
0:36:30 > 0:36:33# But you know it's only going to cause more grief
0:36:33 > 0:36:37# Cos there is nothing left to say
0:36:37 > 0:36:40# And he can't hear you anyway... #
0:36:40 > 0:36:42I'm making a real effort.
0:36:48 > 0:36:50What am I supposed to do?
0:36:50 > 0:36:52Deacon is here to look after you.
0:36:54 > 0:36:56Your chaperone.
0:36:56 > 0:36:57Keep you out of my hair.
0:36:57 > 0:36:59Yeah, if he can stand up.
0:36:59 > 0:37:01Look, calm down, George, or take another pill.
0:37:01 > 0:37:06# I really want to hate you but my intellect reminds me...
0:37:06 > 0:37:07I love you, Francis.
0:37:07 > 0:37:12# ..that that doesn't make no sense
0:37:12 > 0:37:16# And I want to be your friend
0:37:16 > 0:37:19# But I couldn't pull it off in the end
0:37:19 > 0:37:23# And I'm disappointed with myself
0:37:23 > 0:37:27# Cos I thought I killed you
0:37:27 > 0:37:31# But then again you always made it clear
0:37:31 > 0:37:34# That you do not care either way
0:37:34 > 0:37:41# Which begs the question - how can I still claim to love you?
0:37:41 > 0:37:48# You told me time and time again that you don't lose, you always win
0:37:48 > 0:37:51# And that to make an effort
0:37:51 > 0:37:59# Would just be beneath you
0:37:59 > 0:38:02# You know, I hate this fucking town
0:38:02 > 0:38:05# You cannot even leave your fucking house
0:38:05 > 0:38:13# Without running into someone who no longer cares about you
0:38:13 > 0:38:16# Somebody who you desperately want to see
0:38:16 > 0:38:20# But you know it's only going to cause more grief
0:38:20 > 0:38:24# Cos there is nothing left to say
0:38:24 > 0:38:30# And he can't hear you anyway. #
0:38:49 > 0:38:53- Stop now.- I can't stop. I love you too much to stop.
0:38:53 > 0:38:56I thought you loved me. If you do, what do you feel for him?
0:38:56 > 0:38:59I have a right to know.
0:38:59 > 0:39:01All right, you want to know, I shall tell you.
0:39:01 > 0:39:03You won't be content until you know, will you?
0:39:03 > 0:39:06Till you've ripped it out of me!
0:39:06 > 0:39:10I stopped seeing him because I wanted him. Do you understand?
0:39:10 > 0:39:11Because I wanted him!
0:39:13 > 0:39:17Men who choose to love other men are treated not only with intolerance
0:39:17 > 0:39:20and contempt, but prosecuted and jailed. As a result,
0:39:20 > 0:39:24they become vulnerable to violence, blackmail, and persecution.
0:39:24 > 0:39:27Parliament has been asked to consider a private member's bill
0:39:27 > 0:39:30to remove that constant threat by legalising homosexual acts
0:39:30 > 0:39:34between consenting adults in private. But a change in the law
0:39:34 > 0:39:38doesn't guarantee a change in attitude by the rest of us.
0:39:38 > 0:39:41For many of us, this is revolting - men dancing with men.
0:39:41 > 0:39:45Homosexuals in this country today break the law.
0:39:45 > 0:39:51I'd been to a party at one of the embassies, and I'd been to the house
0:39:51 > 0:39:54to vote, and then on my way home, I thought,
0:39:54 > 0:39:59"Well, I might take a little exercise," and I went into the park,
0:39:59 > 0:40:02and I met a young guardsman
0:40:02 > 0:40:08and he went with me and, er, we went into the darkness of the trees...
0:40:08 > 0:40:11I went into this toilet, and...
0:40:11 > 0:40:15I suppose two or three times in the course of an afternoon,
0:40:15 > 0:40:19and I came out and somebody, a young person,
0:40:19 > 0:40:23said that they were arresting me for importuning.
0:40:23 > 0:40:28# Stockholm is a place that I adore
0:40:31 > 0:40:38# But the syndrome by that name is one that I abhor
0:40:38 > 0:40:43# Patty Hearst cannot compete with me
0:40:46 > 0:40:50# I bet she thinks she can
0:40:50 > 0:40:52# I'll prove her wrong
0:40:52 > 0:40:58# At tea for free
0:41:00 > 0:41:04# Words don't mean anything to you... #
0:41:04 > 0:41:05You're a pansy, aren't you?
0:41:05 > 0:41:07Pansy?
0:41:08 > 0:41:15# Emotions turn right into lies like black turns into blue
0:41:15 > 0:41:19# Because the fear has made you blind... #
0:41:19 > 0:41:22What's that, apart from being a flower?
0:41:22 > 0:41:28So, they took me to some police station, took my fingerprints.
0:41:28 > 0:41:33I was beaten up in a public lavatory and left lying on the floor.
0:41:35 > 0:41:38It was all rather messy and rather nasty, I'm afraid.
0:41:38 > 0:41:41# No more tangles
0:41:41 > 0:41:45# No more tears
0:41:45 > 0:41:48# No more reindeer games
0:41:48 > 0:41:54# With narcissistic queers
0:41:55 > 0:42:00# Or any other such type of human being... #
0:42:00 > 0:42:02I was beaten up in a public lavatory
0:42:02 > 0:42:06by a man who in fact made advances to me first of all.
0:42:08 > 0:42:14Erm, and when I reciprocated, he waited outside and beat me up.
0:42:16 > 0:42:18And, of course, I couldn't do anything,
0:42:18 > 0:42:19I couldn't call the police.
0:42:21 > 0:42:25Unfortunately, we were discovered by the police
0:42:25 > 0:42:29and one of the park keepers, and I was then arrested.
0:42:29 > 0:42:33And I was in the cell from Saturday afternoon until Monday morning.
0:42:33 > 0:42:36I never slept, just sat and cried.
0:42:36 > 0:42:39I'd only accept this brief, Mr Wilde, if you assure me,
0:42:39 > 0:42:41on your honour as an English gentleman,
0:42:41 > 0:42:44that there is no truth in the charges made against you.
0:42:46 > 0:42:48Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
0:42:48 > 0:42:51it is indeed a sad and sickening sight...
0:42:51 > 0:42:55# Answers to questions... #
0:42:55 > 0:42:58I assure you as an Irish gentleman there is no truth whatever
0:42:58 > 0:43:00in any of it.
0:43:00 > 0:43:03The judge said afterwards, it always astounded him
0:43:03 > 0:43:10that in this type of case, all these homosexuals could produce
0:43:10 > 0:43:14witnesses who would swear they were of good character and so on.
0:43:16 > 0:43:20Why on earth shouldn't a homosexual be a good character?
0:43:20 > 0:43:25# You spend your days tied up in knots...
0:43:25 > 0:43:28I want my phone call, my phone call, my phone call!
0:43:28 > 0:43:35# You know how to tie them in your flesh and in your thoughts... #
0:43:35 > 0:43:39The Earl of Dudley in the House of Lords last year gave as his opinion
0:43:39 > 0:43:44that prison was too good for all homosexuals.
0:43:44 > 0:43:52# Tell me, how does one learn that at your age so that it sticks? #
0:44:02 > 0:44:05It is really hell for a person,
0:44:05 > 0:44:08and you get that you feel you want to jump off a bridge,
0:44:08 > 0:44:11you don't know what to do, you walk the streets,
0:44:11 > 0:44:14and you don't know a single person to talk to.
0:44:14 > 0:44:21Nowadays, I imagine you could find out information somewhere or other,
0:44:21 > 0:44:24but you couldn't then, before the war,
0:44:24 > 0:44:26it was all hush-hush.
0:44:32 > 0:44:37# No more angles, no more dumbing it down
0:44:37 > 0:44:41# Gee, your hair smells perfect
0:44:41 > 0:44:47# But I cannot stand to have you around
0:44:48 > 0:44:52# Not now
0:44:52 > 0:44:59# Or any other time. #
0:45:08 > 0:45:11Sorry I'm late, Sergeant, but I just couldn't leave home without bringing
0:45:11 > 0:45:15something bright and gay for the poor indisposed constables,
0:45:15 > 0:45:17and here we are, with my love.
0:45:17 > 0:45:21Oh, what have I said? With my very best floral greetings.
0:45:22 > 0:45:27"I am the love that dare not speak its name."
0:45:27 > 0:45:29Do you see in that any improper suggestion?
0:45:29 > 0:45:32No, nothing whatsoever.
0:45:32 > 0:45:36Anything is good that incites thoughts in whatever age?
0:45:36 > 0:45:38Whether moral or immoral.
0:45:38 > 0:45:44I think that the realisation of oneself is the prime aim of life,
0:45:44 > 0:45:47and that to realise oneself completely through pleasure is finer
0:45:47 > 0:45:50than to do so through pain.
0:45:50 > 0:45:53Enlightenment does not produce tolerance.
0:45:53 > 0:45:56Tolerance is the result of boredom.
0:45:56 > 0:46:00The facts have to be repeated over and over and over, and in the end,
0:46:00 > 0:46:03people say, "All right, so you're queer,
0:46:03 > 0:46:06"just talk about something else." And then the work is done.
0:46:06 > 0:46:08And this is the work, of course,
0:46:08 > 0:46:11of time, not of people, and not of legislation.
0:46:11 > 0:46:14Legislation makes almost no difference.
0:46:14 > 0:46:16It is the result of public opinion.
0:46:16 > 0:46:19You can't really force, especially in England,
0:46:19 > 0:46:23a law upon a people who is totally against it,
0:46:23 > 0:46:25because they will get round it.
0:46:25 > 0:46:29The more laws, you have the more fixers and the more snoopers.
0:46:39 > 0:46:42The swashbuckling approach, the heartiness, the thumping stride,
0:46:42 > 0:46:44the tough man's clothes -
0:46:44 > 0:46:47these things are natural to some lesbians, but mostly unacceptable
0:46:47 > 0:46:50to people outside that world.
0:46:50 > 0:46:52This means that for lesbians who want to relax in the kind of clothes
0:46:52 > 0:46:56and the kind of way that make them happy, there are few places to go.
0:46:56 > 0:46:59One of them is a club in Chelsea, a place where there is no longer
0:46:59 > 0:47:03any need to pretend. There they can dance, drink, flirt, make friends,
0:47:03 > 0:47:07discuss their problem with others who will understand.
0:47:07 > 0:47:11Normal people often say that they find the idea of physical sex
0:47:11 > 0:47:15between two women disgusting. What do you say to that?
0:47:15 > 0:47:18I regard sex as an expression of love.
0:47:18 > 0:47:20If you love someone, I think it's...
0:47:20 > 0:47:23Well, I think quite honestly it's cruel to withhold sex from them
0:47:23 > 0:47:27if this is what they and you want from the relationship.
0:47:27 > 0:47:31I think it is as cruel as it would be in a normal marriage.
0:47:31 > 0:47:33What do lesbians actually do?
0:47:33 > 0:47:37Allowing for the anatomical differences,
0:47:37 > 0:47:39the same sort of things as any normal couple do,
0:47:39 > 0:47:43with all the variations which normal couples indulge in.
0:47:56 > 0:48:03# Dial up my number now
0:48:03 > 0:48:10# Weaving it through the wire
0:48:10 > 0:48:13# Switch me on
0:48:13 > 0:48:15# Turn me up
0:48:16 > 0:48:23# Don't want it Baudelaire, just glitter lust
0:48:23 > 0:48:26# Switch me on
0:48:26 > 0:48:29# Turn me up
0:48:29 > 0:48:36# I want to touch you, you're just made for love
0:48:36 > 0:48:42# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la
0:48:42 > 0:48:48# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la
0:48:53 > 0:48:59# Coils up and round me
0:48:59 > 0:49:06# Teasing your poetry
0:49:06 > 0:49:09# Switch me on
0:49:09 > 0:49:13# Turn me up
0:49:13 > 0:49:18# Oh, child of Venus, you're just made for love
0:49:18 > 0:49:25# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la
0:49:25 > 0:49:32# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la
0:49:32 > 0:49:39# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la
0:49:39 > 0:49:45# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la
0:49:59 > 0:50:03# You know, I walk for days
0:50:03 > 0:50:06# I wanna waste some time
0:50:06 > 0:50:09# You wanna be so mean
0:50:09 > 0:50:13# You know I love to watch
0:50:13 > 0:50:16# I wanna love some more
0:50:16 > 0:50:19# It'll never be the same
0:50:19 > 0:50:22# A broken heel like a heart
0:50:22 > 0:50:26# I'll never walk again
0:50:31 > 0:50:32# Yeah!
0:50:38 > 0:50:45# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la
0:50:45 > 0:50:52# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la
0:50:52 > 0:50:59# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la
0:50:59 > 0:51:06# I need la la la la la la, I need ooh la la la la. #
0:51:06 > 0:51:09With two men, it's much easier.
0:51:09 > 0:51:13A bit quick, sometimes it may all happen in half an hour,
0:51:13 > 0:51:16and you may not even have spoken.
0:51:16 > 0:51:19But don't the anatomical differences between men and women mean that
0:51:19 > 0:51:22the sexual relationship can't be the same?
0:51:22 > 0:51:24No, they make very little difference.
0:51:27 > 0:51:30It's the person that matters, and not the sex.
0:51:30 > 0:51:31Would you say you were promiscuous?
0:51:31 > 0:51:33I am, yes.
0:51:35 > 0:51:37Why?
0:51:37 > 0:51:40Because I keep searching for someone to fall in love with.
0:51:42 > 0:51:45And when I don't find it in one person, I move on.
0:51:55 > 0:51:58- How long does it take?- Give it ten days, then ring through.
0:51:59 > 0:52:02Ten days?
0:52:02 > 0:52:04It's a long time to keep your fingers crossed.
0:52:04 > 0:52:10# I woke up today, it was very strange
0:52:10 > 0:52:17# I couldn't feel my skin, and there was evil in my bones... #
0:52:17 > 0:52:23Tonight, TVI talks to those with the killer disease AIDS.
0:52:23 > 0:52:26One of the victims is in hospital, the other is at home.
0:52:26 > 0:52:29Both are in their mid-30s and homosexual.
0:52:31 > 0:52:34They tell what it's like learning to live under sentence of death,
0:52:34 > 0:52:37and ask, will society learn to live with them too?
0:52:37 > 0:52:41# And I feel just like Sigourney Weaver
0:52:41 > 0:52:48# When she had to kill those aliens... #
0:52:50 > 0:52:54The history of AIDS in Britain is short but dramatic.
0:52:54 > 0:52:56The first death was recorded in 1982,
0:52:56 > 0:52:59when the word AIDS was hardly known,
0:52:59 > 0:53:02it was simply a mystery killer disease.
0:53:02 > 0:53:04But then the death toll grew,
0:53:04 > 0:53:08not fast by the standards of many other diseases, but fast enough.
0:53:08 > 0:53:12Until today, there have been 58 deaths, and alongside it, the panic.
0:53:12 > 0:53:14A fear that anybody could catch it.
0:53:16 > 0:53:17All that doctors can do
0:53:17 > 0:53:21is to stop each new problem being the fatal one.
0:53:21 > 0:53:25# The sky was black and filled with tiny silver holes
0:53:25 > 0:53:28# And it was there with a frightened voice
0:53:28 > 0:53:33# That I began to cry out loud
0:53:33 > 0:53:40# I feel just like Winona Ryder
0:53:41 > 0:53:48# In that movie about vampires
0:53:49 > 0:53:56# And she couldn't get that accent right
0:53:56 > 0:54:01# And neither could that other guy... #
0:54:01 > 0:54:05Are there potentially others than your lover who could be at risk?
0:54:05 > 0:54:09Oh, I feel sure that there could be.
0:54:09 > 0:54:12"I don't know," would be the answer to that question.
0:54:12 > 0:54:20If, as I understand it, the disease can stay in the body and
0:54:20 > 0:54:23not manifest itself in any illness for as long as four years,
0:54:23 > 0:54:28as I understand it, then obviously that's the truth, yes.
0:54:28 > 0:54:34- Many others?- Yes, I've always been a relatively well-adjusted gay.
0:54:34 > 0:54:41# I feel just like I am on Jupiter
0:54:41 > 0:54:49# One that looks like rainbow sherbet
0:54:49 > 0:54:56# But it doesn't lend itself to life
0:54:56 > 0:55:01# And I haven't finished yet. #
0:55:07 > 0:55:10What are you ashamed of in Britain today?
0:55:11 > 0:55:15Talking as a Londoner, I think in London itself, the amount of,
0:55:15 > 0:55:17or how rife homosexuality has become.
0:55:17 > 0:55:19It still... As you say, it's worse?
0:55:19 > 0:55:22I think in actual fact it has become worse over a period of time,
0:55:22 > 0:55:24but it's one of those things that you have to live with.
0:55:24 > 0:55:26Yes, I suppose so.
0:55:28 > 0:55:32All right, those at the back, settle down.
0:55:32 > 0:55:34Will you keep quiet?
0:55:34 > 0:55:37- Sir?- If you have any questions, put your hands up.
0:55:37 > 0:55:39- Sir?- Yes, Christopher?
0:55:39 > 0:55:40Is it true that you're bent?
0:55:46 > 0:55:48Do you mind repeating the question, Christopher?
0:55:48 > 0:55:50Is it true that you're a queer?
0:55:50 > 0:55:53CHILDREN JEER
0:55:53 > 0:55:56There's been a rumour going around the school that you're a queer.
0:55:56 > 0:55:58Come on, admit it.
0:55:58 > 0:55:59Yes, it's true.
0:55:59 > 0:56:01CHILDREN JEER
0:56:03 > 0:56:06All right, now you know, get on with the work.
0:56:06 > 0:56:09The question arose, and I discussed it.
0:56:09 > 0:56:10I answered their questions.
0:56:10 > 0:56:13Yes, but you must be more careful about this, Jeff.
0:56:13 > 0:56:16# What you got is a black belt in BS
0:56:16 > 0:56:20# But you can't hawk your pretty wares up in here any more
0:56:20 > 0:56:24# Hit your head on the playground at recess
0:56:24 > 0:56:28# Etch-a-sketch your way out of this one, reject! #
0:56:28 > 0:56:31They were asking me the usual stupid questions that children of that age
0:56:31 > 0:56:34do ask, because they don't know anything about the subject,
0:56:34 > 0:56:35they're not taught it anywhere,
0:56:35 > 0:56:37they certainly aren't taught it in this school.
0:56:37 > 0:56:39Yes, yes, yes, but...
0:56:43 > 0:56:47In Trafalgar Square today, over 3,000 people listened to speakers
0:56:47 > 0:56:50demanding changes in the law relating to the age of consent
0:56:50 > 0:56:53for homosexuals. The speakers were urging
0:56:53 > 0:56:59a reduction from the age of 21 to 16 for homosexuals.
0:57:03 > 0:57:07According to the law, young gay men don't exist.
0:57:07 > 0:57:14If you're 16, 17, 18, 19, or 20 and gay, then you're not here.
0:57:14 > 0:57:18Well, I'm here, and we're here and we will not be quiet
0:57:18 > 0:57:21until we get equality.
0:57:21 > 0:57:24What my honourable friend is seeking to do is to get this house
0:57:24 > 0:57:28to vote to legalise the buggery of adolescent males.
0:57:28 > 0:57:30Does she really think that that's what our constituents
0:57:30 > 0:57:32- have sent us here to do?- No.
0:57:32 > 0:57:36# What you got is a black belt in BS
0:57:36 > 0:57:39# But you can't hawk your pretty wares up in here any more
0:57:41 > 0:57:44# Hit your head on the playground at recess
0:57:44 > 0:57:48# Etch-a-sketch your way out of this one, reject! #
0:57:48 > 0:57:53How can we advise young gay men about the dangers of AIDS when what
0:57:53 > 0:57:57they're doing is supposed to be strictly against the law?
0:57:57 > 0:58:02Heterosexual activity is normal, and homosexual activity,
0:58:02 > 0:58:07putting your penis into another man's arsehole, is a perversion.
0:58:07 > 0:58:12Order, order, order. We can well do without talk like that.
0:58:13 > 0:58:18The ayes to the right were 280,
0:58:18 > 0:58:22the noes to the left were 307, so the noes have it.
0:58:22 > 0:58:28- 16... It's not 16. 16 has lost. - How do you know?
0:58:28 > 0:58:31They've just had the vote, the vote's just happened,
0:58:31 > 0:58:3616 has not happened. They're going to now vote on 18. We've lost 16!
0:58:36 > 0:58:39- How much have you lost by? - 27 votes.
0:58:39 > 0:58:41Bastards!
0:58:55 > 0:58:57People who don't know anything about our lives,
0:58:57 > 0:58:59don't know anything about being gay,
0:58:59 > 0:59:01are telling us how to live and who we have the right to sleep with,
0:59:01 > 0:59:05and we're just really fed up with it, you know. We've been waiting
0:59:05 > 0:59:08and waiting for change, and still it's thrown back in our face again.
0:59:08 > 0:59:11We're still not treated as if we're equals, still being devalued.
0:59:11 > 0:59:15Everybody's just furious, and it's not surprising, is it, really?
0:59:15 > 0:59:2216 now! 16 now! 16 now! 16 now! 16 now! 16 now! 16 now! 16 now!
0:59:23 > 0:59:27If everybody was a lesbian, if everybody was homosexual,
0:59:27 > 0:59:29I mean, the whole world would collapse.
0:59:29 > 0:59:32I mean, the human race would die out in a matter of a few generations.
0:59:32 > 0:59:35I mean, one of the sort of definitions of a living organism
0:59:35 > 0:59:38is that it should reproduce itself.
0:59:38 > 0:59:42Um, and... I mean, if everybody were homosexual,
0:59:42 > 0:59:44this planet would be dead.
0:59:44 > 0:59:48I think people really are worried about homosexuality in general.
0:59:48 > 0:59:50I think a lot of people are really scared of it as well.
0:59:50 > 0:59:54They don't really understand it, and it almost horrifies them.
0:59:54 > 0:59:57The thought of a couple walking down the street, the same sex,
0:59:57 > 1:00:00holding hands, and I think they'd rather walk away from it,
1:00:00 > 1:00:04avoid it, and not talk about it than really look at it openly and try and
1:00:04 > 1:00:06find out what it's all about.
1:00:06 > 1:00:10But I know a lot of people who are bothered by the fact that
1:00:10 > 1:00:14homosexuals in general do try to press their views on other people,
1:00:14 > 1:00:17and through programmes like this, they're almost sort of
1:00:17 > 1:00:21forcing their ways upon the majority.
1:00:21 > 1:00:26Anyone wanting more information from organisations dealing with lesbians,
1:00:26 > 1:00:29should send us a stamped addressed envelope for our fact sheet.
1:00:42 > 1:00:47# Is it difficult for you to be so beautiful?
1:00:48 > 1:00:55# Or do you find the advantages tend to outweigh the disadvantages?
1:00:57 > 1:00:58# Am I being rude?
1:01:01 > 1:01:07# I'm sorry, I've never really had the appropriate attitude...
1:01:07 > 1:01:09Punk's not dead!
1:01:14 > 1:01:19# Do you think that life is easier when one looks as good as you do?
1:01:20 > 1:01:25# Or do people always say that you are a narcissist?
1:01:26 > 1:01:31# Do they ingratiate themselves to you and act all obsequious?
1:01:33 > 1:01:38# Come on, now, baby, you can tell me, it's just between the two of us
1:01:38 > 1:01:41# Snug slacks, baby, snug slacks
1:01:41 > 1:01:44# Now you're giving me a different kind of panic attack
1:01:44 > 1:01:47# Sick joke, baby crack smoke,
1:01:47 > 1:01:50# Now take me out in your pick-up for a midnight poke
1:01:50 > 1:01:53# I said Stonehenge, baby, drug binge
1:01:53 > 1:01:57# Now you got me all damp down in my underpants
1:01:57 > 1:01:59# Snug slacks, baby, snug slacks
1:01:59 > 1:02:01# Now let's get you out of those
1:02:01 > 1:02:03# And see what kind of punch your manhood packs. #
1:02:10 > 1:02:11- Quite nice.- Yeah.- Just a minute,
1:02:11 > 1:02:14those girls over to your right, they're taking the mickey.
1:02:14 > 1:02:16Do you want me to go over and give them some verbal?
1:02:16 > 1:02:19You did the last two. Let me do these.
1:02:19 > 1:02:23Here, you ain't taking the piss out of us, are you?
1:02:23 > 1:02:26Don't look like that. Listen, I'll tell you something, darling,
1:02:26 > 1:02:27I get paid for making people laugh,
1:02:27 > 1:02:30and I object to you two having it for nothing, all right?
1:02:33 > 1:02:35Right, where were we?
1:02:36 > 1:02:38That's it.
1:02:39 > 1:02:41Yeah, I like that, it looks good.
1:02:41 > 1:02:44How do you think homosexuals reveal themselves
1:02:44 > 1:02:46when they're talking about ordinary topics?
1:02:47 > 1:02:50Perhaps in the assumptions they make about their future,
1:02:50 > 1:02:53which are going to be different from heterosexual futures.
1:02:56 > 1:03:00I make a deliberate effort in my conversation, sometimes,
1:03:00 > 1:03:04to imply that marriage is in my future.
1:03:04 > 1:03:08But talking at ease, I might give away the fact
1:03:08 > 1:03:13that, in practice, I know it's not going to be any part of my future.
1:03:13 > 1:03:16Is a relationship like this a sort of imitation marriage,
1:03:16 > 1:03:18or is it something quite different from that?
1:03:18 > 1:03:21It's not in fact an imitation marriage, it is a real marriage,
1:03:21 > 1:03:24in the sense that it is a union between two people.
1:03:26 > 1:03:29It can't, in fact, be precisely the same as a heterosexual marriage.
1:03:29 > 1:03:31There are no children, as you say,
1:03:31 > 1:03:36but in any other sense it is in fact a marriage between two people,
1:03:36 > 1:03:38and it is a permanent association of two people.
1:03:45 > 1:03:47When there is no opprobrium,
1:03:47 > 1:03:52when there is no humiliation heaped on homosexuals from outside,
1:03:52 > 1:03:54they will cease to have to confirm or deny.
1:03:56 > 1:03:58Unfortunately, of course,
1:03:58 > 1:04:02toleration has come in a form that is slightly insulting.
1:04:02 > 1:04:06That is to say, one imagined the message, when it came, would read,
1:04:06 > 1:04:11"Forgive us for having for so long allowed our prejudices to blind us
1:04:11 > 1:04:15"to your true worth and cross our unworthy threshold
1:04:15 > 1:04:20"with your broad-minded feet." Instead, the message now reads,
1:04:20 > 1:04:24"Oh, come in, the place is a mess, you'll love it."
1:04:27 > 1:04:29Will you marry me?
1:04:31 > 1:04:34# Boy, you knock me on my ass so hard
1:04:34 > 1:04:37# How could I know that you was holding that ace card?
1:04:37 > 1:04:41# When I saw you, my jaw hit the floor
1:04:41 > 1:04:44# Now I don't want them other boys no more
1:04:44 > 1:04:47# You sent a laser beam of love to my soul
1:04:47 > 1:04:51# You make me shake so hard I lose control
1:04:51 > 1:04:54# My sweet director, won't you give me the part?
1:04:54 > 1:04:58# Cos you're the one who jump-started my heart
1:05:04 > 1:05:08# Cos you're my supernatural defibrillator
1:05:08 > 1:05:11# You are my heavenly re-animator
1:05:11 > 1:05:15# You are my super sexy stimulator
1:05:15 > 1:05:18# You are my loneliness exterminator
1:05:21 > 1:05:24# Come on, baby, 'fore I come on glue
1:05:24 > 1:05:27# Don't make me wait, boy, that would be so rude
1:05:27 > 1:05:31# You got me where I always wanted to be
1:05:31 > 1:05:35# Right in front of you and down on my knees
1:05:35 > 1:05:37# I feel like someone punched me right in my head
1:05:37 > 1:05:41# I need to lay down, baby, take me to bed
1:05:41 > 1:05:44# You leave me gobsmacked, dumbfounded, twitterpated,
1:05:44 > 1:05:48# Bound and struck, stunned and shot, fuddled, discombobulated... #
1:05:54 > 1:05:58# Cos you're my supernatural defibrillator
1:05:58 > 1:06:02# You are my heavenly re-animator
1:06:02 > 1:06:06# You are my super sexy stimulator
1:06:06 > 1:06:09# You are my loneliness exterminator
1:06:09 > 1:06:12# You are my supernatural defibrillator
1:06:12 > 1:06:15# You are my heavenly re-animator
1:06:15 > 1:06:18# You are my super sexy stimulator
1:06:18 > 1:06:20# You are my loneliness exterminator... #
1:06:20 > 1:06:23I will not accept a pardon.
1:06:23 > 1:06:27To accept a pardon means that you accept that you were guilty.
1:06:27 > 1:06:29I was not guilty of anything.
1:06:29 > 1:06:31Not guilty of anything...
1:06:31 > 1:06:33Not guilty of anything...
1:06:33 > 1:06:34Not guilty of anything...
1:06:34 > 1:06:37Not guilty of anything...
1:06:42 > 1:06:46# Cos you're my supernatural defibrillator
1:06:46 > 1:06:49# You are my heavenly re-animator
1:06:49 > 1:06:53# You are my super sexy stimulator
1:06:53 > 1:06:56# You are my loneliness exterminator
1:06:56 > 1:06:59# You are my supernatural defibrillator
1:06:59 > 1:07:03# You are my heavenly re-animator
1:07:03 > 1:07:07# You are my super sexy stimulator
1:07:07 > 1:07:10# You are my loneliness exterminator. #
1:07:14 > 1:07:20# Adeline, you heard 'em sing about sweet Adeline
1:07:20 > 1:07:23# Hey, let me tell you she's a pal of mine
1:07:23 > 1:07:25# She's divine
1:07:25 > 1:07:31# That's just why I'm going back again to see my Adeline
1:07:31 > 1:07:35# All right, I'll never learn, I'm out of line
1:07:35 > 1:07:38# Did tell her that I'm going to make her mine
1:07:38 > 1:07:40# Bells will chime
1:07:40 > 1:07:44# For me and my sweet Adeline. #