0:00:43 > 0:00:46I would like to warmly congratulate the newly elected
0:00:46 > 0:00:49College of Commissioners,
0:00:49 > 0:00:53and, Mr President Barroso, all of you, congratulations.
0:00:55 > 0:00:58700,000 people a year die of tobacco.
0:00:59 > 0:01:01And I'm responsible for citizens' health.
0:01:10 > 0:01:14Following a fraud investigation, EU Commissioner for Health and Consumer
0:01:14 > 0:01:17Policy John Dalli has resigned with immediate effect.
0:01:41 > 0:01:43Mr Dalli. Michael.
0:01:49 > 0:01:52Nobody of us smokes, I think, I hope.
0:01:52 > 0:01:54I am using e-cigarettes.
0:01:54 > 0:01:56Which are as bad as the others.
0:02:51 > 0:02:56Before all this started, I had a meeting with Barroso in his office.
0:02:56 > 0:02:59It's the usual meeting that commissioners
0:02:59 > 0:03:01have with the president.
0:03:01 > 0:03:05And at the end, Barroso said, "Well, you know, this tobacco directive,"
0:03:05 > 0:03:08he said, "we're having a lot of problems with it."
0:03:08 > 0:03:10He said...
0:03:10 > 0:03:13He said, "Don't you think we should forget it?"
0:03:13 > 0:03:16I said, "Listen, I have a commitment with the...
0:03:16 > 0:03:21"with the European citizens. And I will not...
0:03:21 > 0:03:23"stop."
0:04:38 > 0:04:40Do you remember the moment you are aware
0:04:40 > 0:04:43that you are under investigation?
0:04:43 > 0:04:46That I am under investigation is on that meeting I had with Kessler.
0:04:46 > 0:04:49And he is the head of OLAF. He is the head of OLAF.
0:04:49 > 0:04:51He came to my office unannounced.
0:04:51 > 0:04:52And what does he ask?
0:04:52 > 0:04:57About a meeting I had with a...with a young lawyer, Gayle Kimberley,
0:04:57 > 0:04:58here in Malta.
0:05:12 > 0:05:15She was asking questions about tobacco, about snus.
0:05:15 > 0:05:17She was never registered as a lobbyist.
0:05:17 > 0:05:19She was not presented to me as a lobbyist.
0:05:19 > 0:05:22How was I to know that she is a lobbyist? OK?
0:05:25 > 0:05:28And then he said, "But then you made another appointment
0:05:28 > 0:05:30"to meet her on the tenth and you met on the tenth."
0:05:30 > 0:05:33I said, "No, didn't meet on the tenth."
0:05:34 > 0:05:36This meeting never happened.
0:05:56 > 0:05:58RECORDING: If you want to, I can tell you the story.
0:05:58 > 0:06:00I know that she wasn't...
0:06:00 > 0:06:02I know that she wasn't in the second meeting.
0:06:02 > 0:06:06But that I found out when OLAF told me.
0:06:24 > 0:06:28We have been told to keep by OLAF that there is an investigation
0:06:28 > 0:06:31going on in Malta. So...
0:06:31 > 0:06:33So, keep your version. Yeah, yeah, keep...
0:06:33 > 0:06:37To tell what you have said to us and what is your version,
0:06:37 > 0:06:40because we have done an investigation,
0:06:40 > 0:06:42there is Malta's investigations.
0:06:42 > 0:06:46It would be preferable that this is not disturbed,
0:06:46 > 0:06:49and this will definitely not help certain people if that comes out.
0:06:54 > 0:06:56Stick to the story.
0:06:56 > 0:06:59As a result of our investigation,
0:06:59 > 0:07:06it's turned out that these Maltese interpreters organised over...
0:07:06 > 0:07:08last time
0:07:08 > 0:07:14two meetings with the Commissioner and representative of the,
0:07:14 > 0:07:18let's say, snus companies.
0:07:23 > 0:07:25This is Kessler, you understand?
0:07:25 > 0:07:28He creates by inventing,
0:07:28 > 0:07:31fraudulently, this case.
0:08:08 > 0:08:10Silvio Zammit is one of those people.
0:08:10 > 0:08:15OK? He was very active in the political party that I come from.
0:08:15 > 0:08:19Kessler makes a lot that he is a close friend.
0:08:19 > 0:08:22No, I never have any business with him, this guy out...
0:08:22 > 0:08:24He's a friend, you know, like many other friends in my...
0:08:24 > 0:08:26In your local political network.
0:08:26 > 0:08:28Yes, in my local political network.
0:08:31 > 0:08:34I am very interested in the meeting with Swedish Match
0:08:34 > 0:08:36when they come here. You are interested in that?
0:08:36 > 0:08:39Yeah. OK. Can we walk through that meeting as it happens?
0:08:39 > 0:08:42Exactly. Of course, of course.
0:08:42 > 0:08:44We can. So, Gabrielsson, in the evening he arrives here?
0:08:44 > 0:08:46Yes. He sat there.
0:08:47 > 0:08:50They sit here. Gabrielsson and Gayle Kimberley?
0:08:50 > 0:08:52Uh-huh. And they are talking?
0:08:52 > 0:08:54He said to me,
0:08:54 > 0:09:01"What is the proposal for this lifting up of the ban?"
0:09:01 > 0:09:03And that is the ban on smokeless tobacco?
0:09:03 > 0:09:06Yes, yes, yes. But then I said to him, "It's 60 million."
0:09:07 > 0:09:10Yeah? You say it here?
0:09:10 > 0:09:12Yeah, yeah. But I need to understand, the 60 million euros,
0:09:12 > 0:09:15who was getting the 60 million euros?
0:09:15 > 0:09:17Was that you or Gayle Kimberley or...?
0:09:17 > 0:09:21No, it's for Gayle Kimberley and myself,
0:09:21 > 0:09:23so we set up the lobby group.
0:09:57 > 0:10:00But I am doing what Gayle is telling me to do.
0:10:00 > 0:10:01Yeah.
0:10:01 > 0:10:05But did they discuss that Mr Dalli would get a...
0:10:05 > 0:10:09a cut of the 60 million, was that part of the deal?
0:10:10 > 0:10:13No, for sure, not from my side. I don't know nothing about this.
0:10:13 > 0:10:15But did you hear them talking about that?
0:10:15 > 0:10:17No, no, no, no, no, no.
0:10:17 > 0:10:19We never talked about that.
0:10:19 > 0:10:22Hello, Miss Kimberley, this is journalist Mads Brugger.
0:10:22 > 0:10:23I really need to speak with you.
0:10:23 > 0:10:26I also wrote you an e-mail yesterday.
0:10:26 > 0:10:29Please give me a ring as soon as possible.
0:10:29 > 0:10:31I'm here in Malta. Hope to hear from you soon. Bye-bye.
0:11:24 > 0:11:27When she calls me, she said to me...
0:11:27 > 0:11:30She didn't say, "Hello, Silvio."
0:11:30 > 0:11:32She didn't say, "How are you?"
0:11:32 > 0:11:37She basically said, "How much would you charge us to meet Mr Dalli?"
0:11:37 > 0:11:41This telephone call was made from the offices of OLAF.
0:11:44 > 0:11:48It was recorded on OLAF equipment.
0:11:48 > 0:11:51In the presence of OLAF personnel.
0:11:51 > 0:11:54It was an entrapment. It was an entrapment and it was illegal.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07As a result of our investigation,
0:12:07 > 0:12:12it turned out that there is no conclusive evidence of the direct
0:12:12 > 0:12:16participation of Commissioner John Dalli
0:12:16 > 0:12:21as instigator or mastermind of the operation
0:12:21 > 0:12:27of requesting money for changing the decision of the commission.
0:12:27 > 0:12:31You know, it was stated in the report that there was no corruption.
0:12:31 > 0:12:35Mm. There is no corruption whatsoever.
0:12:35 > 0:12:37OK? The report simply states, OK,
0:12:37 > 0:12:41that I was not involved in creating this...
0:12:43 > 0:12:45..this discussions, OK?
0:12:45 > 0:12:47I was not involved in these discussions.
0:12:47 > 0:12:49OLAF states this.
0:12:49 > 0:12:52But he concludes I must have known.
0:13:13 > 0:13:15What is the essence of all of this?
0:13:15 > 0:13:21The essence of all of this was that I was kicked out of the picture.
0:13:21 > 0:13:26The directive was passed through, but in a diluted form.
0:13:31 > 0:13:33So, you feel like you are a victim of a set-up?
0:13:33 > 0:13:38I am a victim of a set-up by the tobacco company who wanted me out.
0:13:38 > 0:13:41So, the winner of this in a way...
0:13:41 > 0:13:43Is tobacco. Tobacco wins.
0:13:43 > 0:13:44Tobacco wins.
0:13:51 > 0:13:54OLAF, which investigates fraud within the EU institutions,
0:13:54 > 0:13:58has been in the spotlight ever since former Health Commissioner
0:13:58 > 0:14:02John Dalli had to resign due to bribe accusations in 2012.
0:14:02 > 0:14:07Later, though, OLAF itself and its director Giovanni Kessler came under
0:14:07 > 0:14:09fire due to the Dalli investigation,
0:14:09 > 0:14:11which was said to violate EU regulation.
0:14:57 > 0:15:02So, Mr Dalli, it's almost a year since we saw each other last time?
0:15:02 > 0:15:04It is. Yeah. Uh-huh.
0:15:04 > 0:15:08Time flies. And what has happened since we met?
0:15:10 > 0:15:13Well, quite a lot happened since we met.
0:15:17 > 0:15:20The most important thing for me is that my wife died.
0:15:20 > 0:15:22My condolences.
0:15:22 > 0:15:24She died from a massive heart attack.
0:15:26 > 0:15:28Again, I believe in God's providence as well.
0:15:31 > 0:15:34This became manifest some...
0:15:34 > 0:15:36couple of weeks ago.
0:15:36 > 0:15:40Out of the blues, I received an e-mail...
0:15:41 > 0:15:43..by a person unknown.
0:15:45 > 0:15:49Which said, basically, "Listen, I have in my hands...
0:15:50 > 0:15:54"..documentation and tapes...
0:15:56 > 0:15:59"..that show the corruption...
0:16:00 > 0:16:05"..of Barroso and the Commission in your case.
0:16:05 > 0:16:09"How they were colluding with the tobacco industry...
0:16:13 > 0:16:15"..to take you out of the way."
0:16:17 > 0:16:20Yeah.
0:16:27 > 0:16:34The first e-mail was received on the fifth of September, and it said,
0:16:34 > 0:16:39"Hi, I prefer to remain anonymous, if you will respect this, Sir.
0:16:39 > 0:16:43"So, there will be no phone calls, please.
0:16:43 > 0:16:50"I have a package of large volume files about Jose Manuel Barroso,
0:16:50 > 0:16:54"and representatives of a powerful tobacco lobby
0:16:54 > 0:16:58"in the US and continental Europe.
0:16:58 > 0:17:01"These documents will shake Europe.
0:17:01 > 0:17:03"Massive fraud and espionage."
0:17:03 > 0:17:06"These documents will shake Europe"?
0:17:07 > 0:17:11"Massive fraud and espionage."
0:17:11 > 0:17:14"Will be sent by courier only.
0:17:14 > 0:17:19"3,000 euros to my e-mail so, so-and-so."
0:17:19 > 0:17:24The person's name on the e-mail is Maria Zamora.
0:17:24 > 0:17:28Maria Zamora.
0:17:29 > 0:17:33So, too good to be true, in reality.
0:17:33 > 0:17:36Then I reply.
0:17:36 > 0:17:38"Dear Miss Zamora.
0:17:38 > 0:17:42"I would very much like to examine this material,
0:17:42 > 0:17:46"and this is why I invite you to spend a weekend break in Malta
0:17:46 > 0:17:50"at my expense, so that we can meet confidentially,
0:17:50 > 0:17:52"and review the matter."
0:17:54 > 0:17:56Answered on the fifth.
0:17:56 > 0:18:00"This is to confirm to you that I have no affiliation
0:18:00 > 0:18:03"whatsoever with Giovanni." And even this,
0:18:03 > 0:18:05she starts calling him Giovanni.
0:18:05 > 0:18:08So, she uses the first name of Kessler?
0:18:08 > 0:18:09Uses the first name of Kessler.
0:18:09 > 0:18:11What does that say?
0:18:11 > 0:18:12That says that she has...
0:18:14 > 0:18:18Either she knew him well, she worked with him...closely.
0:18:18 > 0:18:22Or that she has been going in the hallways of power in Brussels.
0:18:22 > 0:18:24That's right.
0:18:24 > 0:18:28I also reveal here that this matter has been considered a matter of life
0:18:28 > 0:18:31and death by some people.
0:18:31 > 0:18:32A matter of life and death.
0:18:32 > 0:18:36Yes, it is life and death. If this is true what she is saying,
0:18:36 > 0:18:38it is life and death.
0:18:38 > 0:18:41No doubt about it.
0:18:41 > 0:18:45"I checked the pieces of evidence again,
0:18:45 > 0:18:48"and found a recorded conversation
0:18:48 > 0:18:52"where your possible elimination was discussed at some point.
0:18:53 > 0:18:58"Not too sure what it meant, but the exact wordings are,
0:18:58 > 0:19:01" 'We can get him out of the equation.' "
0:19:01 > 0:19:05A recording? "We can get him out of the equation."
0:19:05 > 0:19:07A recorded conversation.
0:19:07 > 0:19:11"We can get him out of the equation."
0:19:11 > 0:19:13This was the last e-mail you received?
0:19:13 > 0:19:16Yes. And have you written to that person since?
0:19:16 > 0:19:20Not yet, not yet. So, this is where we are now?
0:19:20 > 0:19:22Exactly.
0:19:22 > 0:19:24I'm just saying something in Danish.
0:19:24 > 0:19:25Go, go, go, go, go.
0:19:59 > 0:20:02I'm saying, Mr Dalli, that if this is true,
0:20:02 > 0:20:06we will wire, Michael and I,
0:20:06 > 0:20:103,000 euros to her PayPal account.
0:20:13 > 0:20:19OK. But if we know that she really, or he, really has this package,
0:20:19 > 0:20:21then things will become easier.
0:20:21 > 0:20:25I tell her, "After your last e-mail,
0:20:25 > 0:20:30"I have the person...
0:20:31 > 0:20:38"..whom I can fully trust to...
0:20:39 > 0:20:44"..complete the transaction, OK?"
0:20:47 > 0:20:49This is extremely exciting.
0:20:49 > 0:20:51What do you think I'm feeling?
0:20:51 > 0:20:54I mean, I'm feeling not totally excited,
0:20:54 > 0:20:56but this is... I regain my life.
0:20:56 > 0:20:58Mm. And the life of my children.
0:20:58 > 0:21:02If this is true, this is like a rebirth for me,
0:21:02 > 0:21:05because they destroyed our lives, these people.
0:21:44 > 0:21:46Hello! Hello.
0:21:46 > 0:21:49Good afternoon. Afternoon, nice to see you.
0:21:49 > 0:21:50Hi. Hi.
0:21:50 > 0:21:52So, you left us yesterday.
0:21:52 > 0:21:55I left you yesterday. We were extremely excited.
0:21:55 > 0:21:58I'm going to write to the Malta police.
0:21:58 > 0:22:02You want to write to the police? Yes, yes, yes. Wait, wait, wait.
0:22:03 > 0:22:06Tell them that I receive the e-mail,
0:22:06 > 0:22:08the first one I received.
0:22:08 > 0:22:12I'm not going to give them any of the other details, OK?
0:22:12 > 0:22:15And tell them, "Listen, I'm going to send her the money,
0:22:15 > 0:22:16"and I'm writing to you,
0:22:16 > 0:22:19"so that there will not be any misunderstanding."
0:22:22 > 0:22:25OK? About this action.
0:22:25 > 0:22:28And I've decided to send her the money.
0:22:28 > 0:22:32And see what happens. The worst case scenario is I will lose 3,000 euros.
0:22:35 > 0:22:38You do not prefer that we put forward the money?
0:22:38 > 0:22:41No, no. It's better like this, OK.
0:22:41 > 0:22:45I tell you what, so I will not involve third parties.
0:22:45 > 0:22:49So, we'll see. I'm going to take the plunge, OK.
0:22:49 > 0:22:51This is what I decided.
0:22:51 > 0:22:53I'm going to take the plunge.
0:22:53 > 0:22:57If it's a scam, I lose 3,000 euros.
0:22:57 > 0:22:59If it's true, we've won the lottery.
0:22:59 > 0:23:03Mm-hm. "You are recognised," she tells me,
0:23:03 > 0:23:06"as an influential and respected member of society in Malta,
0:23:06 > 0:23:10"and in Europe." Yes. "The documents are deep."
0:23:10 > 0:23:11"Deep"?
0:23:11 > 0:23:14I think detailed is what she means.
0:23:14 > 0:23:20"And we are aware Mr Barroso received tobacco money
0:23:20 > 0:23:22"through the DNB Bank of Norway."
0:23:24 > 0:23:26That is very detailed. So, this is...
0:23:26 > 0:23:29This is quite an interesting detail.
0:23:29 > 0:23:34DN...? DNB Bank of Norway. DNB Bank.
0:23:36 > 0:23:39Could we write it now? What?
0:23:39 > 0:23:41To speed up things.
0:23:41 > 0:23:42You know, do it now,
0:23:42 > 0:23:45and wait for the answer?
0:23:45 > 0:23:47She's answering very fast.
0:23:47 > 0:23:49OK.
0:23:51 > 0:23:57I'm just thinking, what is actually...happening now, you know.
0:23:57 > 0:24:00You will contact the police.
0:24:00 > 0:24:03I've already sent him an e-mail, to tell you the truth.
0:24:03 > 0:24:05To the police? To the police, yes.
0:24:09 > 0:24:12Unfortunately, I am still a smoker.
0:24:12 > 0:24:15And if ever I would be needing a cigarette it is now.
0:24:15 > 0:24:18So, I will just go out there and smoke a cigarette.
0:24:18 > 0:24:22Go, you can. I'm a non-alcoholic, but I really need a stiff drink.
0:24:22 > 0:24:24OK.
0:24:24 > 0:24:26You can have a stiff drink.
0:24:28 > 0:24:30I'll just have a double whisky.
0:24:30 > 0:24:32THEY SPEAK OWN LANGUAGE
0:24:32 > 0:24:34Who wants...who wants a whisky?
0:24:56 > 0:24:58OK. How good?
0:24:58 > 0:25:02I think the storm is coming up, yeah?
0:25:02 > 0:25:03This is not the storm yet.
0:25:03 > 0:25:07If the storm hits, then it will hit.
0:25:07 > 0:25:09Since we met yesterday,
0:25:09 > 0:25:14what made you change your mind about you directly paying the source?
0:25:14 > 0:25:17No, because I thought of this way to eliminate
0:25:17 > 0:25:20the possibility of an entrapment. Yes.
0:25:20 > 0:25:22Look, I'll inform the police I'm doing it,
0:25:22 > 0:25:24and I'm in the clear. Yes.
0:25:24 > 0:25:27So, I scratched that out, that possibility.
0:25:27 > 0:25:31And if you have the material, will you have a press conference here?
0:25:31 > 0:25:35We'll see. Because then, then, then I will...
0:25:35 > 0:25:36THUNDER CLAPS LOUDLY
0:25:36 > 0:25:40MR DALLI LAUGHS
0:25:40 > 0:25:42It's the thunder, the thunder.
0:25:43 > 0:25:45Did you see it!
0:25:45 > 0:25:47You want another one?!
0:25:49 > 0:25:55MUSIC: Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor "Moonlight" by Ludwig Van Beethoven
0:26:11 > 0:26:15I said, "I understand your apprehension.
0:26:15 > 0:26:18"Rest assured that your safety will be guaranteed."
0:26:18 > 0:26:21OK.
0:26:21 > 0:26:25"I decided to pay you the expenses, as requested,
0:26:25 > 0:26:31"by you, and will arrange to pay into your PayPal account today.
0:26:31 > 0:26:33"When will you mail the documents?
0:26:33 > 0:26:36"What method will you use?
0:26:36 > 0:26:40"I will send you the mailing address...
0:26:42 > 0:26:44"..mailing address, once you confirm."
0:26:48 > 0:26:50OK? Yes. Sent. You sent it now?
0:26:50 > 0:26:53Sent? Sent. OK.
0:26:53 > 0:26:56Now we're waiting. Now we're waiting.
0:26:56 > 0:26:57For an answer.
0:26:59 > 0:27:03I mean, we can wait as long as the music is...
0:27:03 > 0:27:06Playing. ..this beautiful and it's raining outside.
0:27:06 > 0:27:10We can wait all evening. The rain I love, you know.
0:27:10 > 0:27:13I love this atmosphere. Yes. Of raining.
0:27:13 > 0:27:15E-MAIL ALERT BLEEPS
0:27:15 > 0:27:17So, we have an answer. OK. "Dear, Sir...
0:27:17 > 0:27:19"Thank you for your understanding.
0:27:19 > 0:27:24"The earliest the package can be shipped will be Friday,
0:27:24 > 0:27:28"because we will have to gather all the documents from a safe archive.
0:27:28 > 0:27:32"And this might take a couple of days or so.
0:27:32 > 0:27:36"Once you confirm, I will ensure the package is promptly sent on Friday.
0:27:36 > 0:27:39"Let me have the confirmation on your side.
0:27:39 > 0:27:43"We'll keep you informed." This is very straightforward.
0:27:43 > 0:27:46Very straightforward. Now we are in action. Now things are happening.
0:27:46 > 0:27:50Yes. I mean, this is it. Incredible. We, I mean...
0:27:54 > 0:27:59Monday, if this is true, Monday, I should have the information.
0:27:59 > 0:28:01Monday, if it's true,
0:28:01 > 0:28:05you will have a package of the most explosive political material...
0:28:05 > 0:28:09..in the world. ..in the world. Yes.
0:28:09 > 0:28:12MUSIC: The Winner Takes It All by ABBA
0:28:12 > 0:28:15# The winner takes it all
0:28:15 > 0:28:19# The loser's standing small
0:28:19 > 0:28:23# Beside the victory
0:28:23 > 0:28:27# That's her destiny
0:28:27 > 0:28:31# Knowing me knowing you A-ha
0:28:31 > 0:28:34# There is nothing we can do
0:28:34 > 0:28:37# Knowing me knowing you A-ha
0:28:37 > 0:28:43# We just have to face it This time we're through. #
0:29:09 > 0:29:12Hi.
0:29:12 > 0:29:15Mr Dalli, nice to see you. How are you? Very fine, thank you.
0:29:15 > 0:29:17How are you? I am fine.
0:29:17 > 0:29:20OK. Great to see you.
0:29:20 > 0:29:22So... Yeah.
0:29:22 > 0:29:24No package.
0:29:25 > 0:29:27So, no package arrived?
0:29:27 > 0:29:29No package arrived.
0:29:29 > 0:29:34OK. I would have wished a package arrived, but no package arrived.
0:29:34 > 0:29:36Yeah, so would we.
0:29:36 > 0:29:41Did the source give any explanation to why the package has not arrived?
0:29:41 > 0:29:43No, no, no. They didn't give any explanation.
0:29:43 > 0:29:46In fact, they turned very, very aggressive.
0:29:46 > 0:29:51Aggressive? Aggressive. They were asking for more money,
0:29:51 > 0:29:54and practically trying to blackmail,
0:29:54 > 0:29:57but, you know, I never gave in to blackmail,
0:29:57 > 0:30:00therefore nothing, really. OK. OK.
0:30:07 > 0:30:09HE SIGHS
0:30:33 > 0:30:35This is what happened -
0:30:35 > 0:30:39I was expecting the package, but I received a phone call
0:30:39 > 0:30:45from this man who called himself Dmitri from the Red Brigade, I think
0:30:45 > 0:30:50he said. He ordered me to pay 30,000 euros.
0:30:50 > 0:30:53I don't know who Dmitri is.
0:30:53 > 0:30:55But he sounded very Russian.
0:30:55 > 0:31:00"You have one hour to confirm bank transaction or it will be
0:31:00 > 0:31:02"Armageddon for you tomorrow."
0:31:03 > 0:31:09But, I mean, this is really an aggressive threat towards you.
0:31:09 > 0:31:11It is aggressive. This is the aggressiveness.
0:31:11 > 0:31:13Very aggressive.
0:31:13 > 0:31:17Again, the reason was to try to intimidate me.
0:31:17 > 0:31:20How do you feel when your father is threatened?
0:31:20 > 0:31:26I am afraid that they might do something to him.
0:31:26 > 0:31:32I mean, we are put in a very dangerous...
0:31:32 > 0:31:34situation.
0:31:34 > 0:31:37I mean... I understand your feelings. Mm.
0:31:37 > 0:31:42But I have a proposal that... And I think it should be you doing
0:31:42 > 0:31:47it, that you will try once again writing Dmitri and saying...
0:31:47 > 0:31:50I prefer to put pressure on the police, OK,
0:31:50 > 0:31:54and have them make the contact, not me.
0:31:54 > 0:31:55But they are not doing anything.
0:31:55 > 0:31:59But if Dmitri still has some kind of evidence...
0:31:59 > 0:32:03Some kind of evidence, he is not going to give it.
0:32:03 > 0:32:06Dmitri has been playing a game, whoever he is.
0:32:06 > 0:32:12And a game which was not intending to do me any good.
0:32:12 > 0:32:14One way or the other,
0:32:14 > 0:32:20he wanted some result that would put me in a bad light.
0:32:20 > 0:32:23But this means then that it is Michael and I
0:32:23 > 0:32:25who should be trying to contact Dmitri.
0:32:25 > 0:32:29No, no, it is the police, not Michael and you.
0:32:29 > 0:32:34You know, you said earlier that you have a little flame of hope.
0:32:34 > 0:32:37Do you realise that I am dealing with criminals now?
0:32:37 > 0:32:39Yes.
0:32:40 > 0:32:44No, I think forget it. I think tomorrow, I will...
0:32:44 > 0:32:49It is dangerous. I think tomorrow, I will...
0:32:49 > 0:32:50put pressure on the police.
0:33:22 > 0:33:24So, then I wrote,
0:33:24 > 0:33:29"I am interested in the package you have for sale, please respond."
0:33:29 > 0:33:30OK.
0:33:30 > 0:33:34Maybe it was a mistake. It was a mistake, but let's carry on.
0:33:34 > 0:33:38But it happened. But it was not our agreement when we left here.
0:33:38 > 0:33:43But I thought in my twisted logic maybe... OK, go ahead.
0:33:43 > 0:33:46You shouldn't have taken initiative, I think, but anyhow.
0:33:46 > 0:33:48You are only seeing the story.
0:33:48 > 0:33:50But I became very angry about it.
0:33:50 > 0:33:53Whatever, I am not pointing fingers.
0:33:53 > 0:33:55Because I didn't know.
0:33:55 > 0:33:58But anyhow... I didn't know. But carry on.
0:33:58 > 0:34:00Carry on, let's see what happened. Yes, yes.
0:34:00 > 0:34:04Then Maria Zamora writes back to me, "Not possible,
0:34:04 > 0:34:07"Tuesday night in Malta or Denmark,"
0:34:07 > 0:34:10and that is where we are.
0:34:10 > 0:34:13You should have told me you were going to do that. I'm very sorry.
0:35:31 > 0:35:36John Dalli was originally quite a respected politician in Malta.
0:35:38 > 0:35:40I'm talking as far back as 1987.
0:35:40 > 0:35:43He won the respect of a lot of people,
0:35:43 > 0:35:49because he took decisive action at a time when Malta's economy,
0:35:49 > 0:35:52and Malta generally, was a real mess.
0:35:52 > 0:35:59Then, slowly and slowly, there began to be whisperings and conversations,
0:35:59 > 0:36:04private conversations, about how corrupt he is.
0:36:04 > 0:36:08He was the minister responsible for privatisation of
0:36:08 > 0:36:13state entities in Malta including the banks, airport, and there
0:36:13 > 0:36:16were these sort of undercurrents about his involvement,
0:36:16 > 0:36:18his maybe taking a cut.
0:36:18 > 0:36:22The opposition at the time, which is the Labour Party,
0:36:22 > 0:36:24used to call him in fact Johnny Cash,
0:36:24 > 0:36:27because he had such a reputation for going after money.
0:36:27 > 0:36:30But yet, you know,
0:36:30 > 0:36:32still really no smoking gun.
0:36:32 > 0:36:34No, there is no smoking gun.
0:36:34 > 0:36:40Eventually, the Nationalist Prime Minister made what I consider to be,
0:36:40 > 0:36:43and many people consider to be, a fatal error.
0:36:43 > 0:36:49Which was to nominate him as Malta's European Commissioner.
0:36:49 > 0:36:51So, as to get him off...
0:36:51 > 0:36:54..off the island. ..off his own back and off the island,
0:36:54 > 0:36:57he exported the problem and inflicted it on
0:36:57 > 0:37:00a European-wide level, in the European Commission.
0:37:03 > 0:37:04Incredible.
0:37:07 > 0:37:12He was at an EU Commission meeting in Cyprus,
0:37:12 > 0:37:16and he made his excuses and left.
0:37:16 > 0:37:20He wasn't present for one of the most important dinners.
0:37:20 > 0:37:24He told his European Commission colleagues that he was flying back
0:37:24 > 0:37:27to Malta because he had family problems,
0:37:27 > 0:37:29but he didn't go back to Malta at all.
0:37:29 > 0:37:32He went to the Bahamas. I know why he went,
0:37:32 > 0:37:35because I spoke to the Americans who were in the Bahamas.
0:37:35 > 0:37:38They sent me that photo.
0:37:38 > 0:37:41So, that is Marie Eloise Corbin.
0:37:41 > 0:37:44She was known as Lady Bird.
0:37:44 > 0:37:45That is John Dalli.
0:37:45 > 0:37:47John Dalli's daughter, Louisa Dalli.
0:37:49 > 0:37:52So, this man standing at the back,
0:37:52 > 0:37:54he represents the Christian...
0:37:54 > 0:37:57The man here in the blue shirt who's standing.
0:37:57 > 0:37:59..he represents a Christian organisation.
0:37:59 > 0:38:05Yes. I've tried to understand why Lady Bird would have asked this man,
0:38:05 > 0:38:08Michael, to fly...
0:38:08 > 0:38:11fly to the Bahamas to meet John Dalli,
0:38:11 > 0:38:14and afterwards I realised it was to win his confidence,
0:38:14 > 0:38:17because she was taking his friend's money -
0:38:17 > 0:38:20the money from the other people in the Christian group.
0:38:20 > 0:38:25So, you have in a villa in Nassau, you have Lady Bird...
0:38:25 > 0:38:29The fraudster. Christians from America...
0:38:29 > 0:38:32Yes, mm-hm. Meeting with... And John Dalli, a European Commissioner.
0:38:32 > 0:38:34A European Commissioner. That is extraordinary.
0:38:34 > 0:38:36Yes, it is extraordinary.
0:39:41 > 0:39:43AEROPLANE FLIES OVERHEAD
0:40:05 > 0:40:11Good to see you at last. And this is Mads, my colleague. Yes.
0:40:19 > 0:40:22The eight Christian Americans that you represent,
0:40:22 > 0:40:28who were scammed by Lady Bird and possibly also John Dalli...
0:40:28 > 0:40:31The Upstate 8 folks were involved in the gold pool.
0:40:31 > 0:40:34In other words, they put their monies together,
0:40:34 > 0:40:38in order to create a larger sum of money, in order to get a bigger
0:40:38 > 0:40:42investment back. Investment into what?
0:40:42 > 0:40:46The gold mines. And these gold mines, where are they?
0:40:46 > 0:40:48In Africa.
0:40:48 > 0:40:51Is there, in fact, any mining going on?
0:40:51 > 0:40:53I couldn't tell you for sure.
0:40:53 > 0:40:57And Lady Bird is the architect behind this? Yes.
0:40:57 > 0:41:00Seaview Beach. 256.
0:41:07 > 0:41:09Is there anybody living in there now?
0:41:09 > 0:41:11Downstairs. Ah, you can walk in?
0:41:17 > 0:41:19DOG BARKS
0:41:23 > 0:41:25Ah.
0:41:25 > 0:41:27John stayed on the couch with Louisa.
0:41:31 > 0:41:33To me,
0:41:33 > 0:41:36Louisa was kind of like a puppet, so to speak.
0:41:36 > 0:41:39You know, if her dad said, "Do this," she would do it.
0:41:39 > 0:41:41Or if LB said, "Do this," she would do it.
0:41:41 > 0:41:43Other than that, she didn't do anything.
0:41:43 > 0:41:46So, she was like the servant of Lady Bird and her father?
0:41:46 > 0:41:50Yeah. There's the rocking chair that Lady Bird stayed in.
0:41:50 > 0:41:53She would come out and go to her chair,
0:41:53 > 0:41:56and from there, people fixed her food or drinks, whatever.
0:42:00 > 0:42:01In the beginning,
0:42:01 > 0:42:04I thought John Dalli was really 100%, you know.
0:42:04 > 0:42:06100% what?
0:42:06 > 0:42:09For real, you know.
0:42:09 > 0:42:12You've got to remember, we were being told that Lady Bird was part
0:42:12 > 0:42:17of this gold family. I also picked up the...
0:42:17 > 0:42:21This Dragon family's confirmation of identity for you.
0:42:22 > 0:42:25Did Lady Bird claim to be, you know...
0:42:27 > 0:42:32She was introduced to us as the granddaughter
0:42:32 > 0:42:37of the Asian family's patriarch.
0:42:38 > 0:42:43And that John Dalli was her right-hand person.
0:42:43 > 0:42:47She didn't do anything unless John Dalli said it was OK. Mm.
0:42:47 > 0:42:50So, you know, that gave us validity
0:42:50 > 0:42:52for John Dalli and for Lady Bird.
0:42:52 > 0:42:55Did you discuss these gold families with John Dalli?
0:42:55 > 0:42:56Yes.
0:43:02 > 0:43:05This thing goes so deep I can't possibly remember
0:43:05 > 0:43:08everything to tell you. It keeps coming up, you know.
0:43:11 > 0:43:14Her real name is Marie Eloise Corbin.
0:43:14 > 0:43:16She's a US citizen.
0:43:16 > 0:43:19She changes her identity every so often,
0:43:19 > 0:43:23and in fact I received copies of an identity card she uses -
0:43:23 > 0:43:25a Filipino passport.
0:43:25 > 0:43:29It's ridiculous, because there's her face,
0:43:29 > 0:43:34and she's clearly a Western woman with blonde hair, and blue eyes,
0:43:34 > 0:43:37and very Western features and with a Filipino name.
0:44:06 > 0:44:09Morning.
0:44:09 > 0:44:11Morning, Mr Dalli.
0:44:11 > 0:44:14Nice to see you. Morning.
0:44:14 > 0:44:15Good morning.
0:44:19 > 0:44:26What I simply do not understand, we have in the house in the Bahamas
0:44:26 > 0:44:31this strange character known as Lady Bird.
0:44:31 > 0:44:33For me, she was not strange.
0:44:33 > 0:44:37For me, she was somebody very buoyant...
0:44:37 > 0:44:40Did you know that she was using multiple identities?
0:44:40 > 0:44:43No, I don't know.
0:44:43 > 0:44:44I didn't know.
0:44:44 > 0:44:48Because she has names like Mary Swan, Eloise Corbin...
0:44:48 > 0:44:51I never called her by any of those names.
0:44:51 > 0:44:53What did you call her?
0:44:53 > 0:44:56She was called Lady Bird.
0:44:56 > 0:44:59Lady Bird was her nickname and we knew her as Lady Bird.
0:45:02 > 0:45:04You had no idea that she was a fraudster?
0:45:04 > 0:45:09No idea. Do you believe her to be a fraudster today?
0:45:09 > 0:45:12I have no proof that she is a fraudster today.
0:45:12 > 0:45:15They must have known she was a fraudster,
0:45:15 > 0:45:18because she came to Malta out of a prison in Thailand,
0:45:18 > 0:45:22and her documents did not show her real name.
0:45:22 > 0:45:25There is no way they could have not found out she was a fraudster.
0:45:25 > 0:45:28What about her being in prison in Thailand?
0:45:31 > 0:45:35I knew about that and that was a question of
0:45:35 > 0:45:37problems with her passport.
0:45:37 > 0:45:39Because of her fake identities?
0:45:39 > 0:45:42No, I don't know about fake identities.
0:45:42 > 0:45:44She was posing as a Filipino, using a Filipino passport?
0:45:44 > 0:45:46I don't know the details,
0:45:46 > 0:45:48but I knew that it was something to do with her passport.
0:45:54 > 0:45:56What is this document showing?
0:45:56 > 0:46:03This was an annual audit, so at the end of December the 31st,
0:46:03 > 0:46:09OK, Janie, she shows that she has $55,583.32
0:46:09 > 0:46:13transferred to Claire Gauci Borda,
0:46:13 > 0:46:14John Dalli's daughter.
0:46:14 > 0:46:19And this is signed by John Dalli's daughter? Correct.
0:46:19 > 0:46:23OK. One American is writing, "My name is Janie B Moore..." Uh-huh.
0:46:23 > 0:46:28"..and I wish to report a scam that I have been taken into
0:46:28 > 0:46:30"by a group in Malta." Yes.
0:46:30 > 0:46:32That's through Daphne Caruana Galizia.
0:46:32 > 0:46:35She has been contacted by Daphne Caruana Galizia,
0:46:35 > 0:46:38and brainwashed by her. Completely.
0:46:38 > 0:46:41"The ones..." Continue.
0:46:41 > 0:46:45"The ones I am aware of are Mary Swann, known as Lady Bird..."
0:46:45 > 0:46:47Mm-hm.
0:46:47 > 0:46:52"And Claire Gauci Borda and Louisa Dalli."
0:46:52 > 0:46:54Mm-hm. That must be you?
0:46:54 > 0:46:57Mm-hm. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Uh-huh.
0:46:58 > 0:47:04"I have sent 11 wire transfers to the HSBC in Malta..."
0:47:04 > 0:47:05Uh-huh.
0:47:05 > 0:47:11"..for a total amount of $409,000."
0:47:11 > 0:47:13Mm-hm. That's her life pension.
0:47:15 > 0:47:19"We were told we were investing in gold and other precious metals,
0:47:19 > 0:47:25"and we would receive 10% interest and a bonus at the end of the year."
0:47:26 > 0:47:29Did they receive any interest?
0:47:29 > 0:47:30No.
0:47:33 > 0:47:38"All the earnings were rolled over until I received a letter saying
0:47:38 > 0:47:45"that Lady Bird was a fraudster and I had been taken in by a scam."
0:47:45 > 0:47:46This is all, OK.
0:47:46 > 0:47:50The set up again
0:47:50 > 0:47:53by Kessler and Daphne Caruana Galizia, OK.
0:47:53 > 0:47:56These people were simply brainwashed.
0:47:56 > 0:47:58They lost their money.
0:47:58 > 0:48:01I... Well... So many people lose their money.
0:48:01 > 0:48:04I mean, what the hell are you talking about?
0:48:04 > 0:48:07"I have proof of all wire transfers, our payments to Malta,
0:48:07 > 0:48:11"correspondence with...
0:48:12 > 0:48:16"..Louisa Dalli." You never had any correspondence with them?
0:48:16 > 0:48:18That is not true.
0:48:18 > 0:48:22I never corresponded with her.
0:48:22 > 0:48:26Your daughters were involved in the management? So what?
0:48:26 > 0:48:29Were they...? My daughters... Listen, listen.
0:48:29 > 0:48:33My daughters have their own company and their own business - so what?
0:48:33 > 0:48:36But, please... And Kessler is trying to make the point that,
0:48:36 > 0:48:39because they used that address, that I'm involved,
0:48:39 > 0:48:40which is completely stupid.
0:48:41 > 0:48:47Now my question is, these people...
0:48:47 > 0:48:51never met my father.
0:48:51 > 0:48:56What interest do these people have to...
0:48:57 > 0:49:00..do harm to my father?
0:49:00 > 0:49:04Let's stay on the question your daughter asked.
0:49:04 > 0:49:08Why do these Christian American pensioners,
0:49:08 > 0:49:12why do they want to hurt you?
0:49:12 > 0:49:15Because...because they were roped in by Kessler,
0:49:15 > 0:49:21and Daphne Caruana Galizia, who is one of my arch enemies in Malta.
0:49:21 > 0:49:24I mean, this is all another...
0:49:24 > 0:49:27another Kessler...Kessler...
0:49:27 > 0:49:28sting.
0:49:30 > 0:49:35Something you also have to explain to me is this strange nexus between
0:49:35 > 0:49:41John Dalli, Silvio Zammit and this lawyer named Gayle Kimberley.
0:49:41 > 0:49:46So, Gayle Kimberley and Iosif Galea both worked for the lotteries and
0:49:46 > 0:49:48gaming authority in Malta, and they no longer do.
0:49:48 > 0:49:50They had an affair.
0:49:50 > 0:49:54Iosif Galea was very close to Silvio Zammit,
0:49:54 > 0:49:56and also very close to John Dalli.
0:49:56 > 0:49:58In fact, I have a photo, which I published,
0:49:58 > 0:50:00of them travelling in Italy together.
0:50:00 > 0:50:02Iosif Galea, Silvio Zammit and John Dalli.
0:50:02 > 0:50:05Gayle Kimberley's involvement was tangential.
0:50:05 > 0:50:09She became involved simply because she was having an affair
0:50:09 > 0:50:12with Iosif Galea, and then later was subject to blackmail -
0:50:12 > 0:50:14she couldn't... But she was the one
0:50:14 > 0:50:16who was in contact with the Swedish Match?
0:50:16 > 0:50:19Yes, yes. She got in touch with Swedish Match
0:50:19 > 0:50:22as an independent consultant. They would not...
0:50:22 > 0:50:25They wouldn't have known that she was sleeping with Iosif Galea,
0:50:25 > 0:50:30who is part of a whole cabal with John Dalli and Silvio Zammit.
0:50:35 > 0:50:38I had a very brief conversation with Gayle Kimberley.
0:50:38 > 0:50:40Uh-huh. On the phone. Uh-huh.
0:50:40 > 0:50:44And she did not want to meet with us,
0:50:44 > 0:50:47talk to us, and I said, "But why?"
0:50:47 > 0:50:50you know, and then she said...
0:50:50 > 0:50:54"No, because they are powerful people," she said.
0:50:54 > 0:50:57Something in that line.
0:50:57 > 0:51:01When you mentioned Zammit and Iosif...
0:51:01 > 0:51:05Iosif Galea. She sounds...afraid.
0:51:09 > 0:51:12But you wouldn't have said Zammit was powerful -
0:51:12 > 0:51:14Zammit is not powerful here.
0:51:14 > 0:51:17You met Zammit. Yeah, yeah. We met him.
0:51:20 > 0:51:21What is that?
0:51:21 > 0:51:24You're not going to... Do not...
0:51:24 > 0:51:26It's a naked woman.
0:51:26 > 0:51:29It's she. It's Gayle Kimberley?
0:51:35 > 0:51:38Don't say nothing in front of the cameras.
0:51:38 > 0:51:40Because it's illegal.
0:51:41 > 0:51:44Those are to show you...
0:51:44 > 0:51:46to show my evidence for the court. Mm-hm.
0:51:46 > 0:51:48Because I have all the evidence, you know.
0:51:48 > 0:51:52PHONE RINGS
0:51:52 > 0:51:55Hello? This is journalist Mads Brugger,
0:51:55 > 0:51:58calling for Gayle Kimberley.
0:51:58 > 0:52:02Yes, this is Gayle. I have been to Malta several times,
0:52:02 > 0:52:05speaking with Silvio Zammit. He has...
0:52:05 > 0:52:08He walks around with this folder
0:52:08 > 0:52:12with everything, that according to him...
0:52:12 > 0:52:14Who, Silvio Zammit?
0:52:14 > 0:52:17Silvio Zammit walks around with this folder, this file,
0:52:17 > 0:52:20which contains everything that, according to him,
0:52:20 > 0:52:22proves how innocent he is,
0:52:22 > 0:52:25and inside that file is a picture of you in your underwear.
0:52:27 > 0:52:31Oh, my God. Seriously? When did they take pictures of me in my underwear?
0:52:31 > 0:52:36No, I was not aware. Erm... You see, it is making me very anxious.
0:52:36 > 0:52:40I'm sorry, but I don't want to discuss this any more.
0:52:40 > 0:52:43I had no idea they fabricated e-mails...
0:52:43 > 0:52:47Can I ask you, was he blackmailing you? Ah, I cannot...
0:52:47 > 0:52:51Can I ask you...? This is just to get the facts straight.
0:52:51 > 0:52:54Erm, I really need to go, I can't...
0:52:54 > 0:52:58Anyway, I am coming back... No, thank you for your work.
0:53:01 > 0:53:04It's from a holiday or...?
0:53:04 > 0:53:06In Italy? I mean, that's a picture, OK?
0:53:06 > 0:53:10That I take. I have thousands of pictures with people.
0:53:10 > 0:53:12Yeah. People have to come to me, we're in parties,
0:53:12 > 0:53:16and things like that, and I will... No, they take pictures.
0:53:16 > 0:53:19That's it. But there is no closeness.
0:53:19 > 0:53:22I don't have any business dealings with Zammit.
0:53:22 > 0:53:24I mean, I don't have any...
0:53:24 > 0:53:26Nothing. Understand?
0:53:27 > 0:53:31And Zammit never represented me in anything, never.
0:53:47 > 0:53:50"Remember, you are dealing with a real businessman now.
0:53:50 > 0:53:52"Not a fool.
0:53:52 > 0:53:54First you send me a small sample of..."
0:53:55 > 0:53:58"A real businessman now.
0:53:58 > 0:54:00"Not a fool."
0:54:02 > 0:54:05"No funny,
0:54:05 > 0:54:07"no money."
0:54:09 > 0:54:12"Send me a sample of material..."
0:54:17 > 0:54:21"I thank you for the opportunity to talk about the Bahamas,
0:54:21 > 0:54:25"and crush the insinuations and defamation that were being bandied
0:54:25 > 0:54:30"about by Kessler, Daphne Caruana Galizia and their cohorts."
0:55:25 > 0:55:28"Please allow me to call when I reach Europe.
0:55:28 > 0:55:32"I am positive we shall be friends forever after this." Yes.
0:55:38 > 0:55:42"Looking forward to being best
0:55:42 > 0:55:46"friends with you."
0:55:46 > 0:55:49Best friends forever.
0:56:00 > 0:56:03PHONE RINGS
0:56:07 > 0:56:10SECOND VOICE DISTORTED
0:57:06 > 0:57:13MUSIC: Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor "Moonlight" by Ludwig Van Beethoven
0:58:38 > 0:58:40Star Wars, Harry Potter,