Norman Macmillan

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0:00:49 > 0:00:54The essential feature of our work in the air was constant attack.

0:00:54 > 0:00:59Unlike the Infantry, who had momentsof quiet

0:00:59 > 0:01:02and occasional boutsof combat,

0:01:02 > 0:01:07everytime we crossedthe lines, we were engaged in combat.

0:01:07 > 0:01:09All our work was aggressive.

0:01:10 > 0:01:15And every time we went, we went into battle.

0:01:15 > 0:01:20One of the most thrillingmoments, I think, of my flying life

0:01:20 > 0:01:22occurred at Passchendaele.

0:01:22 > 0:01:28We had instructions that we were toattack ground targets,

0:01:28 > 0:01:30whatever we saw.

0:01:30 > 0:01:34No specific target, anything of the enemy within sight.

0:01:34 > 0:01:40We were told that theheight offlight of the field gun shells

0:01:40 > 0:01:43was 600 feetmaximum above the ground.

0:01:43 > 0:01:47The guns were ranged practically wheelto wheel

0:01:47 > 0:01:51along the front on whichwe were engaged.

0:01:51 > 0:01:55Our task was to fly into thattunnel

0:01:55 > 0:01:59below the flight of field gunshells,

0:01:59 > 0:02:03look for any target we couldsee,

0:02:03 > 0:02:05any Germans in trenches,

0:02:05 > 0:02:09enemy machine gun posts, anything at all, shoot it up,

0:02:09 > 0:02:12fly through the tunnel and come out the other end.

0:02:12 > 0:02:18We were warned that we must not tryto fly out sideways.

0:02:18 > 0:02:23If we did, we would almost certainly meet our own shells in flight

0:02:23 > 0:02:25and be brought down by them.

0:02:25 > 0:02:28That would apply whether we turned right or left.

0:02:28 > 0:02:31Once we enteredthe tunnel, there was nothing for it

0:02:31 > 0:02:34but to carry on and go through to the very end.

0:02:35 > 0:02:38We flew in pairs, and I led,

0:02:38 > 0:02:40being Flight Commander.

0:02:41 > 0:02:45I and my companion

0:02:45 > 0:02:48flew to the south of the tunnel,

0:02:48 > 0:02:50turned left, entered it,

0:02:50 > 0:02:54and instantly we were in an inferno.

0:02:55 > 0:02:59The air was boiling with the turmoil

0:02:59 > 0:03:01of the shells flying through it.

0:03:02 > 0:03:04We were thrownabout in the aircraft,

0:03:04 > 0:03:08rocking from side to side, being thrown up and down.

0:03:08 > 0:03:11Below us was mud, filth,

0:03:11 > 0:03:14smashedtrenches, broken wire,

0:03:14 > 0:03:17broken machine gun posts,

0:03:17 > 0:03:19broken limbers,rubbish,

0:03:19 > 0:03:20wreckage of aeroplanes,

0:03:20 > 0:03:23bits of men, and then, in the midstof it all,

0:03:23 > 0:03:25when we were flying at 400 feet,

0:03:25 > 0:03:29I spotted a Germanmachine gun post and went down.

0:03:29 > 0:03:30My companion came behind me,

0:03:30 > 0:03:36and as we dived, we fired four machine guns straight into the post.

0:03:36 > 0:03:39We saw the Germans throwthemselves on the ground.

0:03:39 > 0:03:40We dived at them and sprayed them.

0:03:41 > 0:03:44Whether we hit them, we didn'tknow - there was no time to see.

0:03:44 > 0:03:46There was only time to diveand fire,

0:03:46 > 0:03:49climb and zoom, and on to the next target.

0:03:49 > 0:03:53There we saw a number of the grey-greenGerman troops

0:03:53 > 0:03:57lying in holes that were battered trenches that had been trenches

0:03:57 > 0:03:59and were now shell holes.

0:03:59 > 0:04:00We dived on them,fired

0:04:00 > 0:04:04and again we were firing at atarget which we could not assess.

0:04:04 > 0:04:07We were being thrown about and again, a third time,

0:04:07 > 0:04:10we dived on anothertarget, and our ammunition was finished.

0:04:10 > 0:04:15We flew on rocking out ofthat inferno,out of the tunnel

0:04:15 > 0:04:20and escaped, turned left, and I feltthat never, at any time,

0:04:20 > 0:04:24had I passed through such an extraordinaryexperience,

0:04:24 > 0:04:29an experience when we ourselves were shutin by a cloud of shells,

0:04:29 > 0:04:35although aheap of rubble, mud, filth,destruction...

0:04:35 > 0:04:37and real damnation onthe ground,

0:04:37 > 0:04:40and there we were, in themidst of that inferno,

0:04:40 > 0:04:42shooting at men who'd cast themselves into themud

0:04:42 > 0:04:44to try and escape our bullets.

0:04:44 > 0:04:49And as we came out of it,having taken not more than tenminutes

0:04:49 > 0:04:51in the passage through thattunnel,

0:04:51 > 0:04:54I felt that we had escaped from one of the most evilthings

0:04:55 > 0:04:57that I had ever seen at any time

0:04:58 > 0:05:01in any of the flyingthat occurred to me during that war.

0:05:04 > 0:05:10Passchendaele brought newresponsibilities to us.

0:05:10 > 0:05:14We had a variety of tasks to perform.

0:05:14 > 0:05:18They were detailed for us - we were not freelance.

0:05:18 > 0:05:22We were sent out on distantoffensive patrols,

0:05:22 > 0:05:28or close offensive patrols at statedheights above the ground,

0:05:28 > 0:05:35their object being to attack any enemyaircraft that we might see.

0:05:35 > 0:05:37And they involved us in combats.

0:05:37 > 0:05:42At other times, we were sent out on ground attack patrols

0:05:42 > 0:05:46and sometimes we were sent to escort artillery observationmachines

0:05:46 > 0:05:49carrying outshoots for the gunners.

0:05:50 > 0:05:55One of the combats whichI was involved in

0:05:56 > 0:05:59was of particular interest to me personally,

0:06:00 > 0:06:06because I used tactics whichI had evolved myself.

0:06:06 > 0:06:10I decided that the only way in whichwe could ensure

0:06:10 > 0:06:14that our Camels would be above the Germans when we met them

0:06:14 > 0:06:17was to...

0:06:17 > 0:06:21give them a false idea of theheight at which we were flying.

0:06:21 > 0:06:25So I decided to make three sweeps over the enemy lines, returning

0:06:25 > 0:06:30each time to our side and climbing before making the next sweep.

0:06:30 > 0:06:33I swept over on the firstsweep at 11,000 feet,

0:06:33 > 0:06:37and we saw no enemy aircraft at all.

0:06:37 > 0:06:40Coming back, I climbed for2,000 feet

0:06:40 > 0:06:42and swept over at 13,000,

0:06:42 > 0:06:45and again we saw no enemy aircraft.

0:06:45 > 0:06:49On the third sweep, I went 2,000 feet higher

0:06:49 > 0:06:51and crossed over at 15,000,

0:06:51 > 0:06:54and when we werewell back behind the German lines,

0:06:54 > 0:07:00well away from the trenches, we saw an enemy fighter squadron coming up -

0:07:00 > 0:07:03eight Albatross scouts with their noses pointing up at us

0:07:03 > 0:07:06climbing for all they were worth totry and reach our height.

0:07:06 > 0:07:11But we had succeeded in getting above them.

0:07:11 > 0:07:13When we were in withinstriking distance,

0:07:13 > 0:07:18we still had 300 feet in hand and we went down on them straightaway.

0:07:18 > 0:07:22I led our six Camels straightin amongst them,

0:07:22 > 0:07:24singling out the leader for myself,

0:07:24 > 0:07:27and wentfor him with both my guns blazing.

0:07:27 > 0:07:30The other Camels on either side of me

0:07:30 > 0:07:33each picked out one of the German aircraft.

0:07:33 > 0:07:38I dived down and shot that fellow and went on past him down below.

0:07:38 > 0:07:42Next instant, I found an enemyaircraft on my tail

0:07:42 > 0:07:44and I heard the machine guns rattling,

0:07:44 > 0:07:47and splinters weregoing off the rear spar of my Camel

0:07:47 > 0:07:49just inches above my head.

0:07:49 > 0:07:53I saw the centre section rip up and I turned and swerved

0:07:53 > 0:07:56and got out of his line of fire and back intoposition

0:07:56 > 0:07:58and back into the fight.

0:07:58 > 0:08:01Within two minutes of the beginningof that fight,

0:08:01 > 0:08:05there wasn't an enemy machine to beseen in the sky anywhere,

0:08:05 > 0:08:08and some little distanceaway, 22 Squadron,

0:08:08 > 0:08:13flying Bristol fighters, was passing not far from us and they reported

0:08:13 > 0:08:17that they had seen one of those German machines go down in flames.

0:08:17 > 0:08:21That, I believe, was the German leader.

0:08:21 > 0:08:23Every other German machine wascompletely scattered.

0:08:24 > 0:08:29Our formation re-formed, got back, finished our patrol.

0:08:29 > 0:08:32We had used up almostall our ammunition.

0:08:32 > 0:08:35When we returned to the airfield, every machine returned safely,

0:08:35 > 0:08:39and not one of the otheraircraft was damaged.

0:08:39 > 0:08:41My centre section was soon changed,

0:08:41 > 0:08:45and the aircraft wasready for flying again withina couple of hours.

0:08:45 > 0:08:48That was one of the most successful snap combats

0:08:48 > 0:08:50in which I was ever engaged.

0:08:50 > 0:08:53There were others, of course, whichlasted very much longer.

0:08:53 > 0:08:56The longest flight wasa running fight

0:08:56 > 0:08:58which lasted for 23 minutes,

0:08:58 > 0:09:01engagedagainst the Richthofen Squadron.

0:09:01 > 0:09:02That was a running fightto enable us

0:09:02 > 0:09:07to get photographs of men on railway stations for Army headquarters.

0:09:07 > 0:09:10We escorted the photographicmachine back safely,

0:09:10 > 0:09:16but, unfortunately, in doing so, we lost three of our own aircraft,

0:09:16 > 0:09:18two of which went down in flames,

0:09:18 > 0:09:21and we were only able to bring down two of the German aircraft

0:09:21 > 0:09:23on that particular occasion.

0:09:23 > 0:09:27During this fighting, there was,undoubtedly,

0:09:27 > 0:09:29a sense of chivalry in the air.

0:09:29 > 0:09:32We did not feel that we wereshooting at men,

0:09:32 > 0:09:34we did not want to kill men -

0:09:34 > 0:09:37we werereallytrying to shoot down the machines.

0:09:37 > 0:09:39Our enemies were notthe men in the machines -

0:09:39 > 0:09:42our enemies were the machinesthemselves.

0:09:42 > 0:09:45It was a case of our machine isbetter than yours

0:09:45 > 0:09:49and let's down yours, almost like a game of ninepins.

0:09:49 > 0:09:53A game of skill, a game in which we pitted ourselves against them,

0:09:53 > 0:09:55and they pittedthemselves against us,

0:09:56 > 0:09:59each to prove the otherthe better man.

0:09:59 > 0:10:01It was a...difficult game,

0:10:01 > 0:10:05a game in which, in combat, we were swirling round

0:10:05 > 0:10:09without regard for horizon or any otheraspect of flight.

0:10:09 > 0:10:12We had been trained to fly with our noses on the horizon

0:10:12 > 0:10:18so we could keep our aircraft level, so that we could turn right or left,

0:10:18 > 0:10:22roll the machines in accordance withthe horizon which we could see,

0:10:22 > 0:10:27but in flight, in combat, there was no horizon - there was only a sphere.

0:10:27 > 0:10:31We flew like goldfish in a bowl, in all directions,

0:10:31 > 0:10:35swimming around the sky, sometimes standing on our tails,

0:10:35 > 0:10:39sometimes with our heads right down, sometimes over on our backs,

0:10:39 > 0:10:42sometimes at rightangles to the ground.

0:10:42 > 0:10:45Any attitude.The only attitude which enabledthe nose of the aircraft

0:10:45 > 0:10:48to point where we wanted it topoint in the direction of the enemy

0:10:49 > 0:10:51so that the guns couldregister hits.

0:10:51 > 0:10:56It was an fantastic type of flying, and our machines could turn

0:10:56 > 0:11:00in such tiny circles that we simply swervedround

0:11:00 > 0:11:03in an amazingly small spaceof air,

0:11:03 > 0:11:07missing each other sometimes by inches as we swerved,

0:11:07 > 0:11:11missing enemy aircraft, missing our ownaircraft,

0:11:11 > 0:11:14dodging in and out amongstthe others in the sky,

0:11:14 > 0:11:16weavingin the most fantastic patterns

0:11:16 > 0:11:24and aiming, all the time, to place our noses where they ought to be.

0:11:26 > 0:11:28There was a world of difference

0:11:29 > 0:11:32between work in the trenches and work in the air.

0:11:32 > 0:11:37I spent 16 and a half months in front-line trench work

0:11:38 > 0:11:39and ten and a half months

0:11:39 > 0:11:43onfront-line service in the air afterwards.

0:11:43 > 0:11:45Both combat service, of course.

0:11:47 > 0:11:50The idea of trenches

0:11:50 > 0:11:52and the idea of fighting in the air

0:11:52 > 0:11:55involved two differentsensations,

0:11:55 > 0:12:01two different complexes, mentally and even physically.

0:12:01 > 0:12:05The conditions were so entirely different.

0:12:05 > 0:12:07In the trenches, on the ground,

0:12:07 > 0:12:11one had the comradeship of menall about one.

0:12:11 > 0:12:16One knew they were there, at a moment,ready to support one.

0:12:16 > 0:12:19They were a moral support as wellas a physical support.

0:12:19 > 0:12:22One had the sense of communication with them,

0:12:22 > 0:12:24one could speak to them, they spoke to one.

0:12:24 > 0:12:27And we knew that, all the time, they were there,

0:12:27 > 0:12:29and each one helpedthe other,

0:12:30 > 0:12:34bearing the other up, almost like a pyramid of strength.

0:12:34 > 0:12:37In the air, things were different.

0:12:37 > 0:12:40We were far more individualistic.

0:12:40 > 0:12:43Even when we flew in formations, we'd no means of communication,

0:12:43 > 0:12:46one with the other, except by rockingthe wings

0:12:46 > 0:12:49or making some particularmotion of the aircraft

0:12:49 > 0:12:53or by firinga Very light or by waving a hand.

0:12:53 > 0:12:56We'd no othermeans of communication at all.

0:12:56 > 0:12:59And the sensation wasentirely different.

0:12:59 > 0:13:02Spirituallyand emotionally, we were shut in,

0:13:02 > 0:13:05we were self-contained individuals.

0:13:05 > 0:13:08We did not have the feeling of the community spirit

0:13:08 > 0:13:10that we had known on the ground,

0:13:10 > 0:13:14and everything had to be thoughtand actioned

0:13:14 > 0:13:16on the partof the one individual.

0:13:16 > 0:13:21He was entirely and inseparably alone,

0:13:21 > 0:13:26even when he looked outside and saw the known machines beside him,

0:13:26 > 0:13:29even then, he still felt himselfshut in

0:13:29 > 0:13:30in this machine,

0:13:30 > 0:13:35responsible, almost entirely, for himself and every action.

0:13:35 > 0:13:38In combat, it was the individualin the machine

0:13:38 > 0:13:42who had to make the decisions, not the man outside.

0:13:42 > 0:13:45It might be that the leader led others into action,

0:13:45 > 0:13:49but once action was joined, every manhad to fend for himself.

0:13:49 > 0:13:51On the ground, on the other hand,

0:13:51 > 0:13:55you had the sense of all men working together, going over in a line.

0:13:55 > 0:13:57You were not separated, you were not individuals,

0:13:58 > 0:14:01you were one of a multitude, acting as a multitude acts,

0:14:01 > 0:14:03and there was not the samesense

0:14:03 > 0:14:06of being thrown into spiritualand emotional isolation,

0:14:06 > 0:14:08as we found in the air.

0:14:08 > 0:14:14On the ground, we had the comradeshipof the men around us.

0:14:14 > 0:14:20We had the intimate society of beingthrown together all the time,

0:14:20 > 0:14:23both in the line and out of it.

0:14:24 > 0:14:28In the line, one had the constantsupport of the men

0:14:28 > 0:14:31who were beside one.

0:14:31 > 0:14:35One knew that they were there, they would back one up,

0:14:35 > 0:14:37and one would back them up.

0:14:37 > 0:14:40And we had a feeling of community,

0:14:40 > 0:14:44a feeling that we were alltogether in the same thing,

0:14:44 > 0:14:46each helping the other,

0:14:46 > 0:14:51each one the intimate and immediate companion

0:14:51 > 0:14:53of allthe men about him.

0:14:53 > 0:14:58In the air, when we wereflying, at that time,

0:14:58 > 0:15:04there was no question of any contactwith the ground.

0:15:04 > 0:15:10Once we left the ground, we were individual and alone.

0:15:10 > 0:15:14We could transmitsignals by means of Very lights,

0:15:14 > 0:15:20but those Very lights had only fourcolours at the most,

0:15:20 > 0:15:23and that restricted us to four types of signal.

0:15:23 > 0:15:29We could drop message bags toforward reporting stations

0:15:29 > 0:15:34where we had to drop messages of what we hadseen in the air

0:15:34 > 0:15:37so that the peopleon the ground could obtain thatinformation

0:15:37 > 0:15:39as quickly as possible.

0:15:39 > 0:15:43These message bags were simplycoloured streamers,

0:15:43 > 0:15:48red and yellow, of canvas, linen canvas,

0:15:48 > 0:15:52lead-weighted in a heavy canvas pocket,

0:15:52 > 0:15:55andwe scribbled a message in pencil onpaper,

0:15:55 > 0:15:59stuffed it in the pocket and threw the message bag overboard

0:15:59 > 0:16:04sothat it would arrive on the ground very near the reporting station.

0:16:04 > 0:16:06These were the onlymeans of communication

0:16:06 > 0:16:08that we had with the ground.

0:16:08 > 0:16:12The aircraft Iflew never carried wireless,

0:16:12 > 0:16:17so we had no means of transmitting any messages in that way at all.

0:16:17 > 0:16:19Our aircraft were fighting aircraft.

0:16:19 > 0:16:24First of all, two-seater Sopwith, one and a half strutters,

0:16:24 > 0:16:30with 110 horsepower and then 130horsepower rotary engine,

0:16:30 > 0:16:33and they were called FighterReconnaissance Aircraft.

0:16:33 > 0:16:35And our duty was to fight our own way

0:16:35 > 0:16:39over theGerman lines to any designated point

0:16:39 > 0:16:45where photographs were required or a reconnaissance by eye was necessary.

0:16:45 > 0:16:48Later, we were equipped in exchange

0:16:48 > 0:16:52with single-seater Camel scout fighters,

0:16:52 > 0:16:55and their work was quite different from the two-seater.

0:16:55 > 0:16:59The two-seaters could fly for over four hours,

0:16:59 > 0:17:02the Camels could only fly for about twohours,

0:17:02 > 0:17:05and their duty was to fight.

0:17:05 > 0:17:09The extraordinary thing, in my experience,

0:17:09 > 0:17:13was that, in all mytime in France,

0:17:13 > 0:17:17Inever met a Germanscout on our side of the lines.

0:17:17 > 0:17:22Every German fighter I ever met was on his side of the lines

0:17:22 > 0:17:24and usually well behind.

0:17:24 > 0:17:27We did find German reconnaissance aircraft

0:17:27 > 0:17:29comeover our side of thelines

0:17:29 > 0:17:34very highup and very difficult to attack

0:17:34 > 0:17:38because of the extremeheight at which they flew.

0:17:38 > 0:17:42I found that, in the trenches,

0:17:42 > 0:17:45we lived a totally differentkind of life

0:17:45 > 0:17:49from that whichwe knew in the air.

0:17:49 > 0:17:53In the trenches, we had work to do day and night.

0:17:53 > 0:17:55We had vile conditions.

0:17:55 > 0:18:00Sometimes, in the summertime, the conditions weren't too bad.

0:18:00 > 0:18:05When we took over from the French, on one occasion, down south,

0:18:05 > 0:18:10we found ourselves in trenches cut outof solid chalk,

0:18:10 > 0:18:16and in front of us stretched 800 yards of open ground

0:18:16 > 0:18:18between our trenches and the German.

0:18:18 > 0:18:24And that open stretch was scattered with red, blossoming poppies.

0:18:24 > 0:18:27A very lovely sight.

0:18:27 > 0:18:30The French, we learned, did not believe in getting close

0:18:30 > 0:18:32until they wanted to attack.

0:18:32 > 0:18:36Our policy, in the British Army, wasalways to close up

0:18:36 > 0:18:41as fast as we could and get into immediate contact with the Germans.

0:18:41 > 0:18:44No sooner did we take over from the French there,

0:18:44 > 0:18:50than we started to sap out,dig out trenches, throw out forwardlines

0:18:50 > 0:18:55and gradually close up until we were within contact with them.

0:18:55 > 0:18:59Further north, where the ground conditions were very wet,

0:19:00 > 0:19:06we entered trenches where the water was swilling about our feet

0:19:06 > 0:19:08and sometimes up to our waists.

0:19:08 > 0:19:12One trench in which I entered

0:19:12 > 0:19:15wasnothing more than a fieldditch

0:19:15 > 0:19:18with the mud from the bottomscooped out

0:19:18 > 0:19:21and thrown up to makea slippery parapet.

0:19:21 > 0:19:24As we marched up that trench

0:19:24 > 0:19:27and up to the observation post that we had to man,

0:19:27 > 0:19:32the water was running past us, rising higher andhigher

0:19:32 > 0:19:35until it reached our chests.

0:19:35 > 0:19:37When we reached the observation post,

0:19:37 > 0:19:41there we had to place tables and chairs on the ground

0:19:41 > 0:19:43and stand on the chairs and tables

0:19:43 > 0:19:48to keep as much as possible of ourselves out of the water.

0:19:48 > 0:19:51We found, in the winter, when it froze,

0:19:51 > 0:19:55that our difficulty was to prevent frostbite.

0:19:55 > 0:19:59We could find even our gumboots filled with water

0:19:59 > 0:20:02and in the morning, sometimes wecould not strip them off,

0:20:02 > 0:20:05because they werefrozen to our feet.

0:20:05 > 0:20:08Frostbite in the feet and trench feet

0:20:08 > 0:20:13were the enemies of the infantryman in the front line trenches.

0:20:13 > 0:20:18In the air, the airman faced frostbite on his face and hands,

0:20:18 > 0:20:20not on his feet.

0:20:21 > 0:20:24We were warmly clad in the air

0:20:24 > 0:20:29and, except for winter clothing, which was issued to thetroops

0:20:29 > 0:20:33in the form of sheepskincoats or leather jerkins,

0:20:33 > 0:20:35we were not warmly clad

0:20:36 > 0:20:40in the regimentI was in which wore the kilt.

0:20:41 > 0:20:46We wore the kilt and we had noprotection under the kilt at all.

0:20:46 > 0:20:48We were bare under the kilt.

0:20:48 > 0:20:52And when we came out of muddytrenches,

0:20:52 > 0:20:55our kilts were caked and plastered with mud

0:20:55 > 0:20:58thatdried as we marched along.

0:20:58 > 0:21:03And aswe moved back to our billets behindthe lines,

0:21:03 > 0:21:06we found the swinging kilt rubbing on the back of our thighs

0:21:06 > 0:21:08and the back of our knees

0:21:08 > 0:21:12until thecaked mud and the kilt cut the skin

0:21:12 > 0:21:16and made our legs raw at the back,

0:21:16 > 0:21:22gradually erasing the skin by minute cuts every time the kilt swung.

0:21:22 > 0:21:25We had no suchexperiences in the Flying Corps.

0:21:26 > 0:21:30In the Flying Corps, we lived in comfort on an airfield

0:21:30 > 0:21:32some way behind the lines.

0:21:33 > 0:21:37We had a comfortable mess, we had regular nights' sleep,

0:21:38 > 0:21:42unless we were disturbed by bombing, which was not very frequent.

0:21:44 > 0:21:48Flying in the war breda new type of man,

0:21:48 > 0:21:53a man whose attitude to living and fighting was distinct

0:21:53 > 0:21:55from thatof any other men in the war.

0:21:56 > 0:22:01We who fought in the air had tofight two things.

0:22:01 > 0:22:05We had to fight the element we flew in, in frail machines,

0:22:05 > 0:22:07and we had to fight the enemy.

0:22:09 > 0:22:14We had tremendous isolation thatdrove us in upon ourselves,

0:22:14 > 0:22:18and it was only when we were on the ground, in our messes,

0:22:18 > 0:22:21enjoying the companionship we had there

0:22:21 > 0:22:25and the music we had onour gramophones,

0:22:25 > 0:22:29that we felt againthe companionship of other men.

0:22:29 > 0:22:35It was, I feel, the tremendous isolation in the air,

0:22:35 > 0:22:39the fact that we werecontinually on the alert,

0:22:39 > 0:22:45both for the safety of our own aircraftin stormy weather

0:22:45 > 0:22:49and against the enemy whomwe had to fight.

0:22:49 > 0:22:53And the fact that we had tolook in front of us, above us,

0:22:53 > 0:22:56around us, behind us and below us.

0:22:56 > 0:23:00We had to develop an entirely newsense of sight, of vision.

0:23:00 > 0:23:02The enemy might be anywhere.

0:23:02 > 0:23:04On the ground, the enemy was ahead.

0:23:04 > 0:23:07In the air, he might be anywhere.

0:23:07 > 0:23:09And so we had to manoeuvre,

0:23:09 > 0:23:12we had to live an entirely differentkind of life -

0:23:12 > 0:23:14we had to live a life within a sphere

0:23:15 > 0:23:18instead of a life which was horizontal on the ground.