Julia and Dominic Chapman

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0:00:01 > 0:00:04Across the country, empty properties that could be homes

0:00:04 > 0:00:06are just waiting to be brought back into use.

0:00:06 > 0:00:07I'll be finding out why

0:00:07 > 0:00:11and what you need to do to rescue a house for yourself.

0:00:11 > 0:00:14And along the way we'll be following the property detectives

0:00:14 > 0:00:17who track down the owners of these forgotten houses

0:00:17 > 0:00:20and help breathe new life in to the communities blighted by them.

0:00:20 > 0:00:22And I'll be doing some digging of my own

0:00:22 > 0:00:25to find out more about more about our housing stock,

0:00:25 > 0:00:26our heritage and why we should be

0:00:26 > 0:00:30both preserving and reinventing Britain's Empty Homes.

0:00:37 > 0:00:39Take a walk around your local area,

0:00:39 > 0:00:43and the chances are you'll spot a forgotten and unloved building.

0:00:43 > 0:00:46Up and down the country, more and more house hunters

0:00:46 > 0:00:50are seeking out these abandoned shells and successfully transforming

0:00:50 > 0:00:53them into truly inspirational family homes.

0:00:56 > 0:01:00'On today's show I'll be meeting a couple who are keen to tackle

0:01:00 > 0:01:03'the renovation of a disused house and make it into their next home.'

0:01:05 > 0:01:06More than happy to stay in a caravan, you know,

0:01:06 > 0:01:08on the site, as well, while it's being built.

0:01:08 > 0:01:10You would?

0:01:10 > 0:01:12Yeah, I think so, I'm up for a challenge.

0:01:12 > 0:01:15'And we'll be following one of Britain's Empty Property Officers

0:01:15 > 0:01:18'working to breathe life back into vacant buildings.'

0:01:18 > 0:01:20The door's been totally smashed through.

0:01:20 > 0:01:22It's clearly been accessed, and quite a lot of damage

0:01:22 > 0:01:24has been caused in here.

0:01:26 > 0:01:31'For five years, Dominic Chapman and his wife Julia have lived happily

0:01:31 > 0:01:33'in Berkshire with their two children,

0:01:33 > 0:01:34'but now they need more space.'

0:01:34 > 0:01:36Currently we've got a three-bedroom house,

0:01:36 > 0:01:40but obviously, with a growing family, now we're looking for something,

0:01:40 > 0:01:42really, that we could put our own stamp on.

0:01:42 > 0:01:44The house that we've moved in,

0:01:44 > 0:01:46we've done more aesthetic changes to it, but I think now

0:01:46 > 0:01:50we really want to take on a property that's a real challenge.

0:01:51 > 0:01:54'With Julia back at work full-time, they need some help

0:01:54 > 0:01:56'with their young children, Sophia and Isaac.'

0:01:57 > 0:02:00The area we're looking to buy in is around Oxfordshire area.

0:02:00 > 0:02:02It's a little bit closer to the family and parents,

0:02:02 > 0:02:05so have a bit of support for the children,

0:02:05 > 0:02:08and there's some really nice schools, and this is an area that

0:02:08 > 0:02:11I grew up in, and some beautiful villages around here as well.

0:02:11 > 0:02:15The couple have a budget of £450,000,

0:02:15 > 0:02:18but are renovation novices, so are willing to take expert advice

0:02:18 > 0:02:19when it comes to specialist work.

0:02:19 > 0:02:23Neither of us really have any major experience in that

0:02:23 > 0:02:25sort of building, electrical, plumbing,

0:02:25 > 0:02:28but Dominic's quite creative,

0:02:28 > 0:02:31so I think he would take on that sort of role.

0:02:31 > 0:02:34I'll be a little bit more project manager role, but we're definitely

0:02:34 > 0:02:37not a couple that would stand back and let somebody else do everything.

0:02:37 > 0:02:39No. We want to help.

0:02:39 > 0:02:40- Yeah. Put our mark into it. - Yeah.

0:02:40 > 0:02:44'To kick-start their search, I'm meeting up with Julia and Dominic

0:02:44 > 0:02:46'in Abingdon in Oxfordshire, to help them work out

0:02:46 > 0:02:50'just what they're looking for and just how far their budget will go.'

0:02:50 > 0:02:53This is the property I wanted to show you.

0:02:53 > 0:02:55It's Georgian, 18th-century, it's got a bit of age to it,

0:02:55 > 0:02:57so, first impressions from the outside?

0:02:57 > 0:02:59It's very pretty. Yeah, very nice.

0:02:59 > 0:03:02We've brought you here to treat this as an exercise,

0:03:02 > 0:03:03so wherever you find an empty property,

0:03:03 > 0:03:05they'll throw up certain challenges,

0:03:05 > 0:03:08and this one is no exception, so it'll be interesting to talk

0:03:08 > 0:03:11through the challenges and see how you deal with them and see if you're

0:03:11 > 0:03:14up for that kind of a project, so shall we go inside and have a look?

0:03:14 > 0:03:15- Yeah, love to.- OK.

0:03:17 > 0:03:20'This 18th century building has recently been used as offices

0:03:20 > 0:03:22'and is on the market for £300,000.'

0:03:22 > 0:03:26'With the potential to be a five-bedroom home,

0:03:26 > 0:03:28'this could be a great buy for Julia and Dominic.'

0:03:28 > 0:03:30So, here we are.

0:03:30 > 0:03:32It's only been empty six months,

0:03:32 > 0:03:34yet I don't think it's had any work done to it in years.

0:03:34 > 0:03:36Yeah, no, it does look very dated, but, I mean, gosh,

0:03:36 > 0:03:40it has got a lot of potential to it, I can imagine.

0:03:40 > 0:03:43Yeah. What would you want to do if you came in here?

0:03:43 > 0:03:45Would you take it all back?

0:03:45 > 0:03:47Strip it out and see what's behind. See what we can reveal.

0:03:47 > 0:03:49Does that work on a general basis, as well?

0:03:49 > 0:03:52If you went into a place, you'd just want to get back to basics,

0:03:52 > 0:03:54so you could do your own thing with it.

0:03:54 > 0:03:55Yeah, definitely.

0:03:55 > 0:03:58Looking at the wooden floorboards here, they are obviously original.

0:03:58 > 0:04:04There could be potential to strip them back and varnish them, you know.

0:04:04 > 0:04:06It's trying to keep some of the original features.

0:04:06 > 0:04:08Exactly, I mean, you've got, right above us here,

0:04:08 > 0:04:11amongst the spotlights, a wooden beam, and even in the hallway,

0:04:11 > 0:04:15you probably saw as we walked in, some of those lovely tiles.

0:04:15 > 0:04:17Some have been exposed and really taken care of,

0:04:17 > 0:04:19others have been hidden under carpet, but there's a lot

0:04:19 > 0:04:21to play with in this property,

0:04:21 > 0:04:24and it's great when you can really keep your eye open to it,

0:04:24 > 0:04:27- so let's wander through and we can get a bit of perspective.- OK.

0:04:28 > 0:04:30'It's a real mish-mash of rooms,

0:04:30 > 0:04:32'some of which date back to the 16th century,

0:04:32 > 0:04:34'so the place needs a lot of work

0:04:34 > 0:04:38'but it's all achievable on Julia and Dominic's budget.'

0:04:38 > 0:04:41Now, here is where we start to get a sense of really how strange

0:04:41 > 0:04:42this house is.

0:04:42 > 0:04:44This is the bit of the house that would go back to

0:04:44 > 0:04:46the 16th or 17th century.

0:04:46 > 0:04:49I presume you'd want to show that off or expose it if you were here.

0:04:49 > 0:04:51Definitely.

0:04:51 > 0:04:53- Keep that as a feature. - Yeah.

0:04:58 > 0:05:02You're just starting to look now, so it's a long, old journey,

0:05:02 > 0:05:05but what are your worries about taking on a project like this?

0:05:05 > 0:05:08I think, time, because we both work full-time, you know,

0:05:08 > 0:05:11have two children, but we have got places to stay,

0:05:11 > 0:05:14we have got family we can stay with, and we'd be more than happy

0:05:14 > 0:05:19to stay in a caravan on a site, as well, while it's being building,

0:05:19 > 0:05:22so time would be one, and obviously watching our budget concerns.

0:05:22 > 0:05:26And also, we didn't really think about going into listed buildings until really now.

0:05:26 > 0:05:29I mean, I need to understand about what you can and what you

0:05:29 > 0:05:33can't do on this sort of level, but I think, once we've understood that,

0:05:33 > 0:05:35then that would give us more of an idea of whether we take it or not.

0:05:35 > 0:05:37Yeah. The common perception is "It's listed,

0:05:37 > 0:05:41I can't really touch it, so I won't take it on."

0:05:41 > 0:05:44There's actually a lot you can do with a listed property.

0:05:44 > 0:05:46You have to speak to the local conservation officer,

0:05:46 > 0:05:49you'd have to work out their mindset and what'll be permitted or not,

0:05:49 > 0:05:51and I think that's what you have to remember,

0:05:51 > 0:05:53that they'll be certain things that you can't change.

0:05:53 > 0:05:57You certainly wouldn't be allowed to alter the windows, for good reason.

0:05:57 > 0:06:01It's a lovely Georgian frontage, but there's still a reasonable amount you can do,

0:06:01 > 0:06:05and obviously, if it is a listed place, Society for the Protection of Ancient Buildings,

0:06:05 > 0:06:08English Heritage, they will have free advice you can get from them

0:06:08 > 0:06:12on specialist contractors if you need them for a project like this.

0:06:12 > 0:06:13There's lots of help and advice out there,

0:06:13 > 0:06:16but also, I want you to meet a couple who been through this.

0:06:16 > 0:06:19They've got a fantastic renovation project which they've completed

0:06:19 > 0:06:22which they now live in, and they've been through this kind of

0:06:22 > 0:06:26project, OK, so I think it would be really useful to get some advice on

0:06:26 > 0:06:29the points you've just raised there, and learn from their experience.

0:06:29 > 0:06:30How does that sound?

0:06:30 > 0:06:32- Yeah, that would be great, definitely.- Brilliant.

0:06:32 > 0:06:34- Learn a lot from that.- Great.

0:06:34 > 0:06:37I don't think Dom and Julia knew quite what to make of this place

0:06:37 > 0:06:39when they first saw it, but as we've gone round,

0:06:39 > 0:06:42as we've looked at some of the history and some of the features,

0:06:42 > 0:06:44I think they've really taken to it, which is great to see.

0:06:44 > 0:06:46I think they'd be up for a project like this.

0:06:46 > 0:06:49Of course, they are first-time renovators,

0:06:49 > 0:06:50so this would be a huge challenge,

0:06:50 > 0:06:53taking on some very dated offices and turning them into a family home.

0:06:53 > 0:06:55Therefore, it's going to be really good for them

0:06:55 > 0:06:58to meet a couple who've been through something similar.

0:06:58 > 0:07:01They can offer them some advice, and really help them on their way.

0:07:03 > 0:07:06'Up and down the country, stricken structures are left empty

0:07:06 > 0:07:09'and abandoned, waiting to have life breathed back into them.

0:07:09 > 0:07:12'And the people whose job it is to seek out these buildings

0:07:12 > 0:07:14'and get them back into use

0:07:14 > 0:07:17'are local council empty property officers.

0:07:17 > 0:07:20'In the Waveney area of North East Suffolk, Jason Hall's the man

0:07:20 > 0:07:24'who tracks down the owners of abandoned buildings.

0:07:24 > 0:07:27'Today he's heading to a clifftop place that's been empty

0:07:27 > 0:07:31'for the past 11 years and has attracted anti-social behaviour.'

0:07:31 > 0:07:33We've had reports of further break-ins and metal thefts,

0:07:33 > 0:07:35so I'm going along today just to assess the site,

0:07:35 > 0:07:38see where we're at, and see what the next course of action is.

0:07:40 > 0:07:43'Once the home of a local landowner, it has been used as a school

0:07:43 > 0:07:46'in the past and is now in a terrible state of repair.

0:07:46 > 0:07:49'Although the building has been boarded up,

0:07:49 > 0:07:51'Jason's had reports people have been gaining access to it.'

0:07:51 > 0:07:56This property is in absolutely prime location with regards to this area.

0:07:56 > 0:07:59It's probably one of the nicest roads in the area,

0:07:59 > 0:08:03it's got stunning clifftop views, which you can see out to sea.

0:08:03 > 0:08:05We've had the whole place boarded up, and we've tried

0:08:05 > 0:08:08to make it as secure as possible, and it's sad to see it that way.

0:08:10 > 0:08:12The house was bought by its present owner in 2006

0:08:12 > 0:08:15and has planning permission to convert it into 17 flats

0:08:15 > 0:08:16and two houses.

0:08:16 > 0:08:20But, sadly, work is yet to begin.

0:08:20 > 0:08:24Jason needs to check on the current state of the place.

0:08:24 > 0:08:26There's tiles littered all over the property,

0:08:26 > 0:08:29all over the front garden, all down the front, here,

0:08:29 > 0:08:31and it's where people have been up on the roof

0:08:31 > 0:08:34and stripped the lead, and as they've done that,

0:08:34 > 0:08:37there's obviously been tiles pinging off and flying everywhere, but as

0:08:37 > 0:08:39it's loosened them, the wind gets up quite high,

0:08:39 > 0:08:41it's going to blow tiles off,

0:08:41 > 0:08:44and there's obviously quite a few that have slipped off and smashed.

0:08:44 > 0:08:46We've got some really heavy items here that,

0:08:46 > 0:08:50if they were to fall on someone's head, it would cause serious damage.

0:08:50 > 0:08:54'Jason heads to the rear of the building to investigate further.'

0:08:56 > 0:09:00So this is the main entrance to this building. It's wide open.

0:09:00 > 0:09:02The door's been totally smashed through.

0:09:02 > 0:09:04It's clearly been accessed,

0:09:04 > 0:09:07and quite a lot of damage has been caused in here.

0:09:07 > 0:09:09Basically all I need to do is make sure is this gets secured,

0:09:09 > 0:09:11because if anybody comes in here,

0:09:11 > 0:09:14there's sections of floor and ceiling missing, and if someone

0:09:14 > 0:09:17was walking around in the dark, they could fall through,

0:09:17 > 0:09:20so we need to get this boarded up as soon as possible.

0:09:25 > 0:09:27'To find out more about the building

0:09:27 > 0:09:29'and how it's been affecting the local area,

0:09:29 > 0:09:31'Jason calls on a neighbour.'

0:09:31 > 0:09:33It's a gradual deterioration, really,

0:09:33 > 0:09:36in terms of taking lead, et cetera from it,

0:09:36 > 0:09:40and the disruption we get along the road here.

0:09:40 > 0:09:42Where's it going to end? It might be set fire to.

0:09:42 > 0:09:45Well, we're going to make sure that it is boarded up

0:09:45 > 0:09:47and made secure in the short term, and in the long-term,

0:09:47 > 0:09:50obviously, we're looking to bring the property back into use

0:09:50 > 0:09:53as to what it should be, and what the planning permission's for.

0:09:53 > 0:09:55Well, that would be terrific. I mean, if you could speed things up

0:09:55 > 0:09:59and get it all going that would be great, and we'd all appreciate that.

0:09:59 > 0:10:01- That would be great, thank you. - Thanks for your information.

0:10:04 > 0:10:06Having inspected this property today,

0:10:06 > 0:10:09it's quite clear there is a number of issues that aren't automatically

0:10:09 > 0:10:13apparent from the front, and there's a real housing need in this area,

0:10:13 > 0:10:15so it's definitely a property that I want to push to

0:10:15 > 0:10:18make sure that something happens with it, but in the immediate time,

0:10:18 > 0:10:20I need to contact the owner asap and get this boarded-up,

0:10:20 > 0:10:23because it's a really dangerous property at the moment.

0:10:23 > 0:10:26'Jason will continue to monitor progress here

0:10:26 > 0:10:29'until the building is brought back into use.'

0:10:29 > 0:10:32Taking on a derelict building can be hugely rewarding.

0:10:32 > 0:10:35With hard work and imagination,

0:10:35 > 0:10:37not only can you create a truly unique home,

0:10:37 > 0:10:42but you can also safeguard our heritage for generations to come.

0:10:43 > 0:10:46'When Michael Cullinane and his family

0:10:46 > 0:10:49'decided to take on one half of a former prep school in Dorchester

0:10:49 > 0:10:52'in 2010, they certainly needed plenty of vision.'

0:10:52 > 0:10:55The main thing about the property

0:10:55 > 0:10:57that really appealed to us was the size.

0:10:57 > 0:10:59I mean, from the road, looking at it, it was four storeys,

0:10:59 > 0:11:03so the sheer scale of the property, that really appealed to us.

0:11:03 > 0:11:05The Cullinanes spent almost two years

0:11:05 > 0:11:08working on this large end-of-terrace,

0:11:08 > 0:11:09and they now have a four-bedroom,

0:11:09 > 0:11:13three-bathroom family home with a vast 70 metre rear garden.

0:11:13 > 0:11:16But it was a huge project to take on.

0:11:16 > 0:11:21When we first walked into this house, it was vacant for two years, so it was incredibly damp.

0:11:21 > 0:11:23There was water running down the walls.

0:11:23 > 0:11:26Without us getting it at the price we did

0:11:26 > 0:11:29and doing most of the work ourselves, it was impossible for us to afford such a property.

0:11:29 > 0:11:31They renovated the house one room at a time,

0:11:31 > 0:11:34with the whole family getting involved.

0:11:34 > 0:11:39We bought the property for £265,000, and so far, to date,

0:11:39 > 0:11:44I think we've spent between £85,000-£90,000 doing it up.

0:11:44 > 0:11:46And I'd say, as an estimate,

0:11:46 > 0:11:50it's probably worth about £500,000 at the moment.

0:11:51 > 0:11:53By taking on this abandoned old school,

0:11:53 > 0:11:56Michael and his family have ended up with a home they simply couldn't

0:11:56 > 0:11:59have afforded had it been already renovated.

0:11:59 > 0:12:03One of my favourite bits in the house is the hallway floor,

0:12:03 > 0:12:06and that leads nicely to the actual original staircase, as well.

0:12:06 > 0:12:08The original staircase is just stunning.

0:12:08 > 0:12:12We've always wanted a kitchen-diner, and to actually, when we have parties, and dinner parties,

0:12:12 > 0:12:14everyone's in the kitchen.

0:12:14 > 0:12:16It's just the hub of the house, really.

0:12:23 > 0:12:28This house has improved our family life completely.

0:12:28 > 0:12:30It's given us the room to expand,

0:12:30 > 0:12:32so I can see ourselves being here, well, for ever, really.

0:12:32 > 0:12:34It's a bit of a for ever house.

0:12:37 > 0:12:40'Restoring an abandoned property can be a richly rewarding

0:12:40 > 0:12:44'experience, but if you take on a place that dates back centuries,

0:12:44 > 0:12:48'the renovation can often require highly specialised work.'

0:12:48 > 0:12:52Great Britain has a tremendously rich variety of buildings,

0:12:52 > 0:12:56from medieval churches to the more humble Victorian terrace.

0:12:56 > 0:12:59There are millions and millions of heritage properties.

0:12:59 > 0:13:03The problem is that many of them are crumbling,

0:13:03 > 0:13:05and there aren't enough people out there

0:13:05 > 0:13:08with the traditional skills we need

0:13:08 > 0:13:11to ensure their continuing preservation.

0:13:12 > 0:13:14'I've come to Berkshire to meet Paul Simons,

0:13:14 > 0:13:18'Chair of the National Heritage Training Group, to find out more.'

0:13:19 > 0:13:20Paul, start at the beginning.

0:13:20 > 0:13:23What are the key differences between historic heritage buildings

0:13:23 > 0:13:24and modern buildings?

0:13:24 > 0:13:27The biggest difference is the change of materials being used.

0:13:27 > 0:13:29Old buildings breathe.

0:13:29 > 0:13:32Basically, that meant that the vast majority of the material

0:13:32 > 0:13:33you were using was porous.

0:13:33 > 0:13:36Soft brick, local stone, lime mortars and plaster,

0:13:36 > 0:13:40and it naturally lets water pass through it and evaporate.

0:13:40 > 0:13:43When we look at these older materials

0:13:43 > 0:13:44and these older techniques,

0:13:44 > 0:13:47surely there is a whole different skill base that comes with those.

0:13:47 > 0:13:48Well, there's a vast range of skills,

0:13:48 > 0:13:52if you start to think about it, from the traditional timber framers,

0:13:52 > 0:13:54wattle and daub, lime, traditional plasters.

0:13:54 > 0:13:57The roof might be clay tile, a thatch,

0:13:57 > 0:14:00and all these materials need different skills, different

0:14:00 > 0:14:04abilities to be able to work with them properly and get a quality job.

0:14:04 > 0:14:07So how important is it that we keep learning these skills

0:14:07 > 0:14:09and keep reinterpreting them?

0:14:09 > 0:14:11It's absolutely vital we get young people

0:14:11 > 0:14:16to train on historic buildings, because the other worrying aspect of craftsmanship

0:14:16 > 0:14:18in historic buildings is the age profile.

0:14:18 > 0:14:20Most craftsmen are over 50 already.

0:14:20 > 0:14:23And where can people go if they want to learn these skills?

0:14:23 > 0:14:26English Heritage and Construction Skills set up something called

0:14:26 > 0:14:29the National Heritage Training Group, so we have qualifications

0:14:29 > 0:14:33available for heritage skills from NVQ level three upwards,

0:14:33 > 0:14:37and employers have got incentives to take on young people now,

0:14:37 > 0:14:40and put them through these heritage modifications, and what we've

0:14:40 > 0:14:43got to do is get more young people on these training courses.

0:14:44 > 0:14:46'For the apprentices Paul takes on,

0:14:46 > 0:14:50'it's an opportunity to learn crafts which have been eclipsed

0:14:50 > 0:14:54'by modern building techniques and are in danger of being forgotten.'

0:14:54 > 0:14:56Now, you're at two different stages, right?

0:14:56 > 0:14:58First of all, Sam, how far have you got on your training?

0:14:58 > 0:15:02Well, I did three years at college, on modern buildings and stuff,

0:15:02 > 0:15:05and then after I finished that, I came down here.

0:15:05 > 0:15:09I've gone from making stuff from new timbers to repairing timbers

0:15:09 > 0:15:13that are 800 years old and stuff, so it's a lot different.

0:15:13 > 0:15:15And, Chris, where are you in your training?

0:15:15 > 0:15:18I've been working here for just over six months now,

0:15:18 > 0:15:20and I'm really enjoying it.

0:15:20 > 0:15:22It's really good.

0:15:22 > 0:15:25I love the history side of it, and the old school techniques.

0:15:25 > 0:15:28If you had to say, what is the best part of this job,

0:15:28 > 0:15:29the job you're training for?

0:15:29 > 0:15:34Seeing the building being taken down and being put up again, repaired,

0:15:34 > 0:15:36being brought back to life. That's what I love.

0:15:36 > 0:15:38Well, guys, good luck with it,

0:15:38 > 0:15:40and thank you for taking some time off to chat to us today.

0:15:40 > 0:15:42- That's all right. - All the best.

0:15:42 > 0:15:43- Thank you. - Thank you.

0:15:43 > 0:15:47'There are so many heritage buildings in our country that it is vital'

0:15:47 > 0:15:50the traditional skills are kept going, so let's hope the

0:15:50 > 0:15:53National Heritage Training Group,

0:15:53 > 0:15:56as well as the apprentices I've met today,

0:15:56 > 0:15:58can inspire other people to work in the heritage sector

0:15:58 > 0:16:02and help keep Britain's history alive for future generations.

0:16:04 > 0:16:07'Back in Oxfordshire, I'm with Dominic and Julia,

0:16:07 > 0:16:09'who've decided a disused building

0:16:09 > 0:16:12'could be the way to create their perfect family home.'

0:16:12 > 0:16:14'We're off to meet a couple who did just that

0:16:14 > 0:16:17'and have a stunning place and some great advice for them.'

0:16:17 > 0:16:19Well, guys, this is the place I've brought you to see.

0:16:19 > 0:16:22It's a Victorian warehouse conversion.

0:16:22 > 0:16:24- First impressions as you walk in? - Stunning.

0:16:24 > 0:16:25- Wow.- Yeah.

0:16:25 > 0:16:27It's absolutely amazing.

0:16:27 > 0:16:29Plenty of ideas, plenty of inspiration,

0:16:29 > 0:16:31so let's go and say hello, shall we?

0:16:31 > 0:16:33- Look forward to it.- OK.

0:16:35 > 0:16:39'Back in 1997, Andrew Goodwin and Louise Smith found a quirky, disused

0:16:39 > 0:16:44'Victorian warehouse and snapped it up for £72,000.'

0:16:45 > 0:16:52It basically was an open shed, stone-built with a slate roof.

0:16:52 > 0:16:56It literally had slimy walls and greenery coming up through

0:16:56 > 0:17:02the floors, and it wasn't fit to even put animals to live in it.

0:17:02 > 0:17:04And I thought, "Yeah, this is for us.

0:17:04 > 0:17:08"This is the way that we can achieve a large house,

0:17:08 > 0:17:10"but at a fraction of the cost."

0:17:10 > 0:17:13'Needing a complete renovation, Louise and Andrew were keen that

0:17:13 > 0:17:18'the plans should be sympathetic to the original look of the building.'

0:17:18 > 0:17:23It had got oodles of character, and all these ceilings were in,

0:17:23 > 0:17:26and all they needed was stripping back to show them

0:17:26 > 0:17:28in their full glory, really.

0:17:29 > 0:17:33So we were intent on keeping as much of the original fabric as we could,

0:17:33 > 0:17:36and just bringing it back to life.

0:17:36 > 0:17:40I personally enjoyed all the buying of antiques and doors

0:17:40 > 0:17:45and windows and door furniture, because everything, you know,

0:17:45 > 0:17:47is giving the building its personality.

0:17:47 > 0:17:50Starting from scratch with this derelict warehouse meant

0:17:50 > 0:17:53they were able to create their perfect family home

0:17:53 > 0:17:55in the most unlikely of places.

0:17:55 > 0:17:58It's been an immensely satisfying project, really,

0:17:58 > 0:18:03because to have seen it in its state, a very sorry state,

0:18:03 > 0:18:09to now have it vibrant with life, a family living in it,

0:18:09 > 0:18:11and see it in its full potential,

0:18:11 > 0:18:14I think that's the most satisfying thing,

0:18:14 > 0:18:18and now what's so nice is we can just sit in the garden and look at it.

0:18:18 > 0:18:21'Louise and Andrew are meeting us to pass on the benefit

0:18:21 > 0:18:24'of their experience and to inspire Dominic and Julia.'

0:18:25 > 0:18:27Well, first of all, when you walk in here,

0:18:27 > 0:18:31you'd never know that it was a warehouse for many years.

0:18:31 > 0:18:34As you look down here, what are your first impressions, guys?

0:18:34 > 0:18:37"Wow" is the first thing that comes to mind. It's absolutely beautiful.

0:18:37 > 0:18:41It has a real Tuscany feel to it as soon as you walk in,

0:18:41 > 0:18:43and it's just a real eye-opener.

0:18:43 > 0:18:45It's beautiful. Done a good job!

0:18:45 > 0:18:47Thank you.

0:18:47 > 0:18:49Amazing how the Victorians crafted their warehouses,

0:18:49 > 0:18:51complete with kitchens and everything!

0:18:51 > 0:18:53This is how it was when you took it on, was it?

0:18:53 > 0:18:55Oh, yes(!)

0:18:55 > 0:18:56So, what state was it in, then?

0:18:56 > 0:18:58- It was completely unliveable. - Really?

0:18:58 > 0:19:00Completely unliveable.

0:19:00 > 0:19:02Yes. There were no partitions at all.

0:19:02 > 0:19:05It was just an open space, which was a benefit in a sense,

0:19:05 > 0:19:09because then we could plan our own house as we wanted it.

0:19:09 > 0:19:11Let's talk about planning, then, because what

0:19:11 > 0:19:15I haven't said to you guys is this was, and is, Grade II listed.

0:19:15 > 0:19:20How did that affect what you were able to do with the property?

0:19:20 > 0:19:24Well, it originally was purchased by a builder who secured

0:19:24 > 0:19:27the planning consent for a change of use from the warehouse

0:19:27 > 0:19:32to a residential dwelling, so that was half the battle done, really.

0:19:32 > 0:19:36All we then wanted to do was vary that planning consent to turn

0:19:36 > 0:19:39it into one house rather than two,

0:19:39 > 0:19:42so we just then had to run the gauntlet

0:19:42 > 0:19:44of the conservation officer,

0:19:44 > 0:19:47who you need to make friends with quite quickly

0:19:47 > 0:19:49if it's a listed building, and get them onside,

0:19:49 > 0:19:52because they're the ones that actually stipulate what

0:19:52 > 0:19:56they'll allow you to do and what you can't do.

0:19:56 > 0:19:59But I think if you try and find a compromise, that's a solution,

0:19:59 > 0:20:01really.

0:20:01 > 0:20:03It just shows that this was listed,

0:20:03 > 0:20:06and obviously you weren't afraid of that and you worked within

0:20:06 > 0:20:08the parameters, but look what you can still create.

0:20:08 > 0:20:11Yeah, it's amazing. I wouldn't have thought of that at all.

0:20:11 > 0:20:14I thought a listed building, there's so much stipulation and structure

0:20:14 > 0:20:18and it would be difficult to get past a few barriers, but if

0:20:18 > 0:20:22- they're on your side, then it seems like a much easier process.- Yeah.

0:20:22 > 0:20:24Well, look, it's been amazing to see this kitchen.

0:20:24 > 0:20:26- I suggest we continue the tour, if we can.- OK.

0:20:26 > 0:20:28After you.

0:20:28 > 0:20:29Come this way.

0:20:29 > 0:20:32'I'm really hoping that Dominic and Julia can take ideas

0:20:32 > 0:20:35'and encouragement from what Andrew and Louise have achieved here.'

0:20:36 > 0:20:37Wow.

0:20:37 > 0:20:39Beautiful.

0:20:39 > 0:20:41- Yeah, it's quite a feature, isn't it?- Isn't it just?

0:20:43 > 0:20:46So, this is kind of a second sitting room, is it?

0:20:46 > 0:20:48Adults only.

0:20:48 > 0:20:50Adults only, right!

0:20:50 > 0:20:51Now, these guys are interested.

0:20:51 > 0:20:53It's their first time taking on a project, you know,

0:20:53 > 0:20:56when you find the right project.

0:20:56 > 0:20:59When it comes to project managing, how much did you get involved?

0:20:59 > 0:21:00These guys would like to get involved,

0:21:00 > 0:21:03but talk us through how practical that is.

0:21:03 > 0:21:07Well, we took the decision that we want somebody in the middle of us,

0:21:07 > 0:21:09between us and the builder, really,

0:21:09 > 0:21:13so we did go down the route of having a project manager, and we sat

0:21:13 > 0:21:17around a table with the builder and the project manager, and agreed

0:21:17 > 0:21:22our specification of works, what we wanted to finally end up with,

0:21:22 > 0:21:24and then it was down to the project manager

0:21:24 > 0:21:26to do the day-to-day running of the builder.

0:21:26 > 0:21:28So it's quite restrained.

0:21:28 > 0:21:31I thought most people would want to get really hands-on.

0:21:31 > 0:21:33Yes, you do want to get involved, but it is emotional,

0:21:33 > 0:21:38and actually having somebody who you trust and is professional,

0:21:38 > 0:21:41dealing with builders and site managers et cetera,

0:21:41 > 0:21:44honestly, it saves you so much anguish.

0:21:44 > 0:21:46- Takes the pressure away, does it? - Totally.

0:21:46 > 0:21:50So, food for thought, there. Project manager, how does that sound?

0:21:50 > 0:21:52I think I'm moving towards that, now.

0:21:52 > 0:21:53Yeah, absolutely.

0:21:53 > 0:21:56I mean, we've been open to ideas from day one as to which way we go.

0:21:56 > 0:21:58I mean, it'll be a full-time job,

0:21:58 > 0:22:00project managing something as developed as this,

0:22:00 > 0:22:04- wouldn't it, so working full-time's not realistic, perhaps.- No.

0:22:04 > 0:22:06Any final advice?

0:22:06 > 0:22:08These guys are very much at the beginning of their journey.

0:22:08 > 0:22:11They're looking around now for possible properties to take on,

0:22:11 > 0:22:13but if and when they do find one, what's the main thing

0:22:13 > 0:22:17they need to bear in mind if they take on a big project like this?

0:22:17 > 0:22:20If you're going to do it, just enjoy it, because it goes really quickly.

0:22:20 > 0:22:23It's rather like having babies, and suddenly they're grown up

0:22:23 > 0:22:27and doing their own thing, and this house has now grown up,

0:22:27 > 0:22:28and we just live in it.

0:22:28 > 0:22:32Really good advice. Thank you, guys. There's been lots of great advice today.

0:22:32 > 0:22:33So, really grateful to you,

0:22:33 > 0:22:35and amazing to see your quite spectacular home.

0:22:35 > 0:22:37I'm pleased it worked out so well, so thank you very much.

0:22:37 > 0:22:39- Thank you. - It's absolutely beautiful.

0:22:39 > 0:22:42- Nice to meet you.- Nice to meet you. - You too.

0:22:42 > 0:22:44'Back in Waveney, in North East Suffolk,

0:22:44 > 0:22:47'empty property officer Jason Hall is on his way to a house

0:22:47 > 0:22:50'which he's been dealing with for some time.'

0:22:50 > 0:22:53The things that we're looking at today are the general state

0:22:53 > 0:22:56of the public facing areas of the property.

0:22:56 > 0:22:57Does it fit in with the area?

0:22:57 > 0:23:00Does it adversely affect the amenities of the area

0:23:00 > 0:23:02and how everything looks?

0:23:06 > 0:23:09This bungalow has stood empty for about five years,

0:23:09 > 0:23:11and Waveney Council have made repeated requests

0:23:11 > 0:23:14to the elderly owner to tidy up the front garden.

0:23:14 > 0:23:18OK, well, we're in a lovely, quiet suburban street here,

0:23:18 > 0:23:20with really well-kept front gardens,

0:23:20 > 0:23:23and this place you probably would struggle to see

0:23:23 > 0:23:25that there is actually a house behind the brambles and the bushes

0:23:25 > 0:23:29and trees that are all overgrowing at the front of the property.

0:23:30 > 0:23:33'Jason regularly checks up on houses like this to find out

0:23:33 > 0:23:37'if any progress is being made to bring the place back into use.

0:23:37 > 0:23:40'His goal is always to get vacant buildings lived in again.'

0:23:40 > 0:23:42OK, we've got two overturned bins here.

0:23:42 > 0:23:46We've got the black bin, which is the general waste, which isn't being

0:23:46 > 0:23:49used, it's empty, it's not being used because the house is empty.

0:23:49 > 0:23:52But the garden waste one is full of garden waste which has

0:23:52 > 0:23:56obviously been cut from down the side here to keep a path clear.

0:23:56 > 0:23:59Neighbours say that the path was kept clear to allow

0:23:59 > 0:24:01the postman to come through and deliver letters.

0:24:01 > 0:24:04'There are signs that someone is visiting this place,

0:24:04 > 0:24:09'but it's not clear why the house is unoccupied.'

0:24:09 > 0:24:12Through the letterbox, it just looks like any normal house.

0:24:12 > 0:24:16It looks like someone's even living there, even though

0:24:16 > 0:24:19we know that they're not, and they haven't been for about five years.

0:24:19 > 0:24:23There's just normal things inside the door.

0:24:23 > 0:24:25It's not particularly untidy.

0:24:26 > 0:24:27Looks fine.

0:24:28 > 0:24:31'Having seen that the house is in such a poor state,

0:24:31 > 0:24:35'Jason will serve a notice to the owner which requires them

0:24:35 > 0:24:37'to improve the appearance of the bungalow.'

0:24:37 > 0:24:40'If this isn't done, the council can carry out the work

0:24:40 > 0:24:42'and charge the owner for it.'

0:24:42 > 0:24:45It is very overgrown. It's ideal for harbouring rats and foxes,

0:24:45 > 0:24:47and we have had reports of both,

0:24:47 > 0:24:50and the neighbouring properties have been treated for rats.

0:24:50 > 0:24:53Rats have a health implication, so it's something that needs to

0:24:53 > 0:24:55be highlighted on any notice that we serve.

0:24:55 > 0:24:58Fingers crossed that will bring the owner to the site to actually

0:24:58 > 0:25:01clear it and make it look a bit tidier,

0:25:01 > 0:25:03and make a lovely family home.

0:25:03 > 0:25:04It's just a waste of resources as it is.

0:25:04 > 0:25:07'Jason will continue trying to contact the owner and hopes

0:25:07 > 0:25:10'eventually to work with them to get the house lived in again.'

0:25:15 > 0:25:18'Back in Oxfordshire, I'm with Dominic and Julia

0:25:18 > 0:25:21'who've been getting some advice from a couple who've carried out

0:25:21 > 0:25:24'a renovation on an abandoned building, just as they plan to do.'

0:25:24 > 0:25:26Having had a look around this place,

0:25:26 > 0:25:29how are you feeling about the idea of taking on a project

0:25:29 > 0:25:31and potentially creating a home like this?

0:25:31 > 0:25:32Even more so.

0:25:32 > 0:25:34To actually see what they've done here, I think it'll work,

0:25:34 > 0:25:37we can do it.

0:25:37 > 0:25:38Now we feel like...

0:25:38 > 0:25:40Yeah, want to get started, now!

0:25:40 > 0:25:42- Touching distance, yeah. - Exactly, yeah.

0:25:42 > 0:25:45The advice on project management was quite strongly felt, actually,

0:25:45 > 0:25:48and maybe something you hadn't considered before, getting a project manager in.

0:25:48 > 0:25:52Definitely. I was all very keen to be the project manager, but I think

0:25:52 > 0:25:57now, with our family constraints and work life, I think we probably

0:25:57 > 0:26:02both agree that we should bring in a project manager to look after this.

0:26:02 > 0:26:05As you look, now, how fearful will you be of listed properties,

0:26:05 > 0:26:08having seen what can be done, actually?

0:26:08 > 0:26:11Yeah, I didn't at all have any idea that you could do that

0:26:11 > 0:26:13sort of different structure within a building,

0:26:13 > 0:26:17so I'm definitely open now for listed buildings.

0:26:17 > 0:26:18Yeah. Well, best of luck.

0:26:18 > 0:26:20It sounds like you're in the right place at the right time.

0:26:20 > 0:26:23I'm pleased you seen this at the beginning of the journey.

0:26:23 > 0:26:25I think that's crucial, and I wish you all the best.

0:26:25 > 0:26:27I'm sure you'll find your perfect place very soon.

0:26:27 > 0:26:29- Hopefully. Thank you very much. - Good luck.

0:26:29 > 0:26:32I'm really pleased that Dom and Julia could see this place today.

0:26:32 > 0:26:35Quite frankly, it's hard not to be inspired by it,

0:26:35 > 0:26:38and it just shows they shouldn't rule anything out in their search,

0:26:38 > 0:26:41be it listed properties, somewhere that used to have an industrial

0:26:41 > 0:26:45or commercial use, or just somewhere that hasn't been lived in before.

0:26:45 > 0:26:47They want a property with plenty of character,

0:26:47 > 0:26:50and I think today has given the confidence

0:26:50 > 0:26:52and inspiration that's what they can achieve.

0:26:52 > 0:26:55I'm sure, before long, that's exactly what they'll have.

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