Episode 4

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0:01:02 > 0:01:05When they asked me whether to donate Frasier's organs

0:01:05 > 0:01:07I didn't have to think,

0:01:07 > 0:01:10because I knew what they both would have wanted me to do.

0:09:42 > 0:09:43The department has initiated

0:09:43 > 0:09:45a review of gambling law in Northern Ireland.

0:09:45 > 0:09:47This has not yet reached any conclusions,

0:09:47 > 0:09:50as regards potential changes to existing legislation.

0:11:30 > 0:11:32Do you think that there is a problem here, with gambling,

0:11:32 > 0:11:34in Northern Ireland?

0:11:34 > 0:11:36That's very funny, because my name is Gamble,

0:11:36 > 0:11:38but I've never gambled in my life.

0:11:38 > 0:11:40Not even a cheeky scratchcard, no?

0:11:40 > 0:11:42No, I've no idea even how to buy one.

0:11:42 > 0:11:47I do see lots of people going in and out of bookies.

0:11:47 > 0:11:49And I know that you can go online now,

0:11:49 > 0:11:51and they encourage you to do that

0:11:51 > 0:11:53because they give you a £10 free bet.

0:11:53 > 0:11:56So I think people could get addicted to it.

0:11:56 > 0:12:00There is probably a problem, yeah. I'd say it's just with more devices,

0:12:00 > 0:12:02more mobile phones being used,

0:12:02 > 0:12:04I suppose, the internet being accessed.

0:12:04 > 0:12:06So I'd say it's a worldwide problem -

0:12:06 > 0:12:07not just in Northern Ireland.

0:12:07 > 0:12:09But, yeah, it's on the increase.

0:12:09 > 0:12:12The online gambling is a huge issue. That's where the serious problem is.

0:12:12 > 0:12:16I know about people who go home at night, late at night,

0:12:16 > 0:12:18and into the computer and put all their money in.

0:12:18 > 0:12:20That's a serious problem,

0:12:20 > 0:12:22and I think there should be something done about that.

0:16:04 > 0:16:06- Anna Louise, how's things?- Hi.

0:16:17 > 0:16:22The boys had just the most amazing way about them.

0:16:22 > 0:16:25Once met, never forgotten.

0:16:25 > 0:16:28Stew had a way of making you feel awesome

0:16:28 > 0:16:30within about two minutes of meeting him.

0:16:30 > 0:16:34Frasier, he had, as I would say, the biggest heart.

0:16:34 > 0:16:38He made everybody love him.

0:16:38 > 0:16:41They were just amazing.

0:16:41 > 0:16:44I can't even begin to imagine a loss like that.

0:16:44 > 0:16:47Did you and your husband Stewart have a conversation

0:16:47 > 0:16:50about organ donation prior to the accident?

0:16:50 > 0:16:52We had quite a frank conversation about it,

0:16:52 > 0:16:55seeing the good that had happened from the donation

0:16:55 > 0:16:59of one of our friends' child's organs.

0:16:59 > 0:17:02And, you know, I've got to be honest in this regard -

0:17:02 > 0:17:06I was sat there going, "I don't want to talk about this.

0:17:06 > 0:17:09"I don't want to talk about organ donation."

0:17:09 > 0:17:11I don't want to have this conversation

0:17:11 > 0:17:14over what I saw as being quite a taboo subject.

0:17:14 > 0:17:16But we did.

0:17:16 > 0:17:20So when they asked me whether to donate Frasier's organs,

0:17:20 > 0:17:22I didn't have to think,

0:17:22 > 0:17:25because I knew what they both would have wanted me to do.

0:17:32 > 0:17:36It became quite clear after the donation of Frasier's organs

0:17:36 > 0:17:42that we wanted to do something to assist with organ donation promotion

0:17:42 > 0:17:46and support in Wales overall.

0:17:46 > 0:17:49And we've looked at trying to instil

0:17:49 > 0:17:52a lot more in our education system in Wales.

0:18:07 > 0:18:09Robin, what was life like for you

0:18:09 > 0:18:11before you received your kidney transplant?

0:18:11 > 0:18:13It was extremely restrictive.

0:18:13 > 0:18:17Basically, you have a catheter going into your peritoneum,

0:18:17 > 0:18:22where you drain a glucose substance liquid into it,

0:18:22 > 0:18:26and, by osmosis, draws off the toxins, and you drain it away again.

0:18:26 > 0:18:28So, you can imagine, every three or four hours,

0:18:28 > 0:18:31you had to think about going home to do the dialysis.

0:18:31 > 0:18:33And that was seven days a week.

0:18:33 > 0:18:35And I was on that for two years, two months.

0:18:35 > 0:18:39Not only that, I had to stay within an hour's drive to the hospital,

0:18:39 > 0:18:41cos if you get the call for the transplant,

0:18:41 > 0:18:43you've got an hour to get there.

0:18:43 > 0:18:47- So, three years on the waiting list, waiting for that phone call.- Yeah.

0:18:47 > 0:18:49It must have been difficult at times.

0:18:49 > 0:18:52Yeah, I had to have counselling because I was so anxious it was causing depression -

0:18:52 > 0:18:54it was like a vicious circle.

0:18:54 > 0:18:57But, on the bright side, I suppose, it saved my life.

0:18:57 > 0:19:01Kidney failure is one of the few organ donation failures where

0:19:01 > 0:19:06they can keep you going for years, if not decades, through dialysis.

0:19:06 > 0:19:09So, really, I'm one of the lucky ones that that's what I had.

0:19:09 > 0:19:14And when that day came, when you received your kidney transplant,

0:19:14 > 0:19:15what did that feel like?

0:19:15 > 0:19:18That was a complete emotional rollercoaster.

0:19:18 > 0:19:21Blind panic, terror and excitement all rolled into one.

0:19:21 > 0:19:25Your thoughts have got to go to the donor's family, because without them

0:19:25 > 0:19:28I'd still be on dialysis, so it's a big thank you.

0:19:28 > 0:19:31Every day I'm aware of the gift they've given.

0:19:32 > 0:19:36I had the most ultimate gift of life in having Frasier.

0:19:36 > 0:19:37And by him, then...

0:19:39 > 0:19:40..passing so early,

0:19:40 > 0:19:44he's managed to give the gift of life to another four people.

0:19:44 > 0:19:46And that's what's important.

0:19:46 > 0:19:48This is a gift, and we should talk about it.

0:22:02 > 0:22:04Well, opt-in is you have a choice,

0:22:04 > 0:22:07if you die, if your organs are donated or not.

0:22:07 > 0:22:09I don't know what soft opt-in or out is.

0:22:09 > 0:22:11I suppose it is very important that you would have the conversation.

0:22:11 > 0:22:13But I suppose, like many people,

0:22:13 > 0:22:16it's something you don't really want to, maybe, talk about.

0:22:16 > 0:22:19You know, there could be a certain sort of taboo

0:22:19 > 0:22:21within families in mentioning it, really.

0:23:50 > 0:23:54Interestingly, the numbers of living donors are going up every year

0:23:54 > 0:23:55in Northern Ireland.

0:23:55 > 0:23:58So, actually, the rate last year was up to 40 per million of population,

0:23:58 > 0:24:01which is well over twice what is being achieved

0:24:01 > 0:24:03anywhere else in the UK,

0:24:03 > 0:24:06and is the highest rate in Europe.

0:24:06 > 0:24:08In terms of the deceased donation rate,

0:24:08 > 0:24:11Northern Ireland also are at the top of the league,

0:24:11 > 0:24:14in terms of the UK regions.

0:24:14 > 0:24:18Last year, 47 people in Northern Ireland donated an organ,

0:24:18 > 0:24:19at least one organ,

0:24:19 > 0:24:23and sometimes many organs, when they were passing away.

0:24:23 > 0:24:27I think the opt-out system should, if it's introduced,

0:24:27 > 0:24:32reflect the consensus and the will of the people of Northern Ireland.

0:24:32 > 0:24:33So there should be a consensus,

0:24:33 > 0:24:35there should be a feeling amongst people

0:24:35 > 0:24:38and amongst the general population that this is the right thing to do.

0:24:38 > 0:24:40I think if it's imposed on people,

0:24:40 > 0:24:42it could potentially be counterproductive.

0:24:42 > 0:24:45The difference you can make is enormous,

0:24:45 > 0:24:48so certainly our feeling would be that no-one will ever

0:24:48 > 0:24:50forcibly take away your organs from you,

0:24:50 > 0:24:54but actually, if you have come to the end of your life,

0:24:54 > 0:24:56but you've got very good organs,

0:24:56 > 0:24:58you have the possibility of making a huge impact

0:24:58 > 0:25:00in many other people's lives,

0:25:00 > 0:25:03and I think if people understood just the difference they could make,

0:25:03 > 0:25:06they would be much more encouraged to sign up on the register,

0:25:06 > 0:25:09and certainly we'd be encouraging people to do that.