0:00:03 > 0:00:06Today, the heir hunters uncover a colourful past...
0:00:07 > 0:00:10The bearded priest is unidentified -
0:00:10 > 0:00:12and, of course, it's Frederic.
0:00:12 > 0:00:15..tainted with moments of sadness.
0:00:15 > 0:00:18And I think he blamed himself for what happened.
0:00:18 > 0:00:20For the deaths of two of the children, yeah.
0:00:21 > 0:00:24Whilst on another case, the team are tested to the limit.
0:00:25 > 0:00:28As a researcher, there's only one thing worse than a commonly
0:00:28 > 0:00:31occurring surname, and that's when someone with that surname
0:00:31 > 0:00:35marries someone else with a commonly occurring surname.
0:00:35 > 0:00:38It's all in a day's work for the heir hunters.
0:00:44 > 0:00:46Some cases reveal the most fascinating
0:00:46 > 0:00:48facts about a family's history.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51His personal life was quite tragic, in some ways.
0:00:51 > 0:00:54It would seem that the marriage didn't work out.
0:00:55 > 0:00:59And delving deep can uncover long-forgotten family secrets.
0:01:00 > 0:01:04So, this is the case of Geoffrey Elliot Wilson.
0:01:04 > 0:01:07It's the case file from upstairs, so let's have a look.
0:01:08 > 0:01:12When Fraser & Fraser took on the case of Geoffrey Wilson,
0:01:12 > 0:01:15they quickly realised it could be a valuable estate to work.
0:01:18 > 0:01:22When we started looking into the case of Geoffrey Elliot Wilson,
0:01:22 > 0:01:24it became apparent pretty quickly
0:01:24 > 0:01:25that the deceased owned his own property,
0:01:25 > 0:01:29which means there is going to be good value for us to work the case.
0:01:29 > 0:01:33Based on the property values in his road, in Peacehaven,
0:01:33 > 0:01:38we think the property could be in the region of about £280,000.
0:01:38 > 0:01:39The hunt was on -
0:01:39 > 0:01:41and the first thing case manager Ben and his team
0:01:41 > 0:01:45needed to do was establish some basic information about Geoffrey.
0:01:45 > 0:01:48So, one of the first things we all do when we're
0:01:48 > 0:01:52looking into a case is contact neighbours, to see if they had
0:01:52 > 0:01:54any knowledge of the deceased which can help us out with our research.
0:02:00 > 0:02:05Geoffrey Wilson died in East Sussex on the 27th of May, 2016.
0:02:05 > 0:02:08For years he shared his house with his mother, Mary,
0:02:08 > 0:02:12and he continued living there after she died in 2014.
0:02:13 > 0:02:16Neighbour Maureen Madden found Geoffrey to be a nice
0:02:16 > 0:02:18and friendly man.
0:02:18 > 0:02:21I've lived across the street from Geoffrey for seven years now.
0:02:21 > 0:02:24He was a very good neighbour. A very quiet man.
0:02:24 > 0:02:26He looked after his mother when we moved here first.
0:02:26 > 0:02:27She lived with him.
0:02:27 > 0:02:32Sadly, she died about two or three years ago and he was on his own.
0:02:32 > 0:02:36And we used to talk to him, and ask him how he was getting on.
0:02:36 > 0:02:39So he was a very good neighbour, yes.
0:02:39 > 0:02:42There are no known photographs of Geoffrey,
0:02:42 > 0:02:45and Maureen says he generally kept himself to himself.
0:02:46 > 0:02:49Geoffrey was a very quiet, private man,
0:02:49 > 0:02:51but very pleasant to talk to.
0:02:51 > 0:02:54He had a sweet little face. He had nice twinkly eyes.
0:02:55 > 0:02:59He used to go to a pub in Newhaven, by the river there.
0:02:59 > 0:03:01He used to go there regularly,
0:03:01 > 0:03:04so I guess it was a pub where sailing people met.
0:03:04 > 0:03:07But although Geoffrey may have been reserved,
0:03:07 > 0:03:09his absence has certainly not gone unnoticed.
0:03:11 > 0:03:13Quiet, sincere.
0:03:15 > 0:03:18A gentleman. I think he's missed from seeing him around.
0:03:18 > 0:03:21He was part of the community, though he didn't do things with people.
0:03:21 > 0:03:23He was somebody who was there.
0:03:23 > 0:03:25We used to enjoy our little chats with him.
0:03:25 > 0:03:27And as I said, he will be missed in the street,
0:03:27 > 0:03:30because he was a good neighbour.
0:03:30 > 0:03:32So we're sorry that he's gone.
0:03:40 > 0:03:43In the office, Ben had been able to glean some valuable
0:03:43 > 0:03:45information from Geoffrey's neighbours.
0:03:45 > 0:03:50We've soon discovered that he was never married, had no children.
0:03:50 > 0:03:53Next, the team had to find out if Geoffrey had any siblings.
0:03:54 > 0:04:00Geoffrey Elliot Wilson was born the 22nd of October 1949 in Hackney.
0:04:00 > 0:04:05The son of Leslie Percy Wilson and Mary Wilson, nee Towerzey.
0:04:05 > 0:04:08They married in 1940, in Barnet,
0:04:08 > 0:04:13had one other child, a Gillian Lesley Wilson.
0:04:15 > 0:04:17If Gillian was still alive,
0:04:17 > 0:04:20she would be the sole heir to Geoffrey's estate.
0:04:20 > 0:04:22But sadly, that wasn't the case.
0:04:23 > 0:04:26She predeceased in 2010.
0:04:26 > 0:04:29So, that's the point where we decided to go back on the paternal,
0:04:29 > 0:04:31maternal lines of the family.
0:04:32 > 0:04:34But early signs weren't good.
0:04:39 > 0:04:42There are no heirs on the paternal side of the family.
0:04:42 > 0:04:45Erm, the deceased father was an only child.
0:04:45 > 0:04:49This meant the team's chances of finding heirs were immediately
0:04:49 > 0:04:54halved, and all hopes now rested on Geoffrey's mother and her family.
0:04:57 > 0:05:00Mary Towerzey was born in 1918, in Islington.
0:05:00 > 0:05:05She was the daughter of an Ernest Towerzey and Edith Bunn Marshall.
0:05:05 > 0:05:08Erm, they married in 1896, in Colchester.
0:05:10 > 0:05:11The next question for the team
0:05:11 > 0:05:14was whether Ernest and Edith had any more children.
0:05:16 > 0:05:19So, the maternal grandparents had a number of other children.
0:05:19 > 0:05:22The deceased's mother was actually the youngest in the family.
0:05:22 > 0:05:26The eldest daughter was a Mabel Victoria Towerzey,
0:05:26 > 0:05:31born in 1897. Next, there was an Ernest Howard Towerzey,
0:05:31 > 0:05:33who was born in 1903 in Southwark.
0:05:33 > 0:05:38Then there was Elisabeth Maude Towerzey, born 1906 in Shoreditch.
0:05:38 > 0:05:40John Towerzey, born 1908 in Shoreditch.
0:05:42 > 0:05:44Thelma Towerzey, born in 1914.
0:05:44 > 0:05:47And Jack Towerzey, born in 1915.
0:05:49 > 0:05:52Ben was quickly able to rule out one stem,
0:05:52 > 0:05:55as Mary's brother, Ernest, had died a bachelor.
0:05:55 > 0:05:58However, research suggested that Mary's remaining five siblings
0:05:58 > 0:06:01all married, and had children.
0:06:02 > 0:06:06A child, other than the deceased's mother, was Jack Towerzey.
0:06:06 > 0:06:09He married a Kathleen Denney in 1939 in Billericay,
0:06:09 > 0:06:11and had one son. Next, there was a Thelma Towerzey.
0:06:11 > 0:06:16She married a Sydney Nichols in 1934 in Islington. They had one child.
0:06:22 > 0:06:24The team had made a flying start to the research,
0:06:24 > 0:06:29but their hunt for heirs was about to be thrown off course.
0:06:29 > 0:06:31So, when we started to research the stem of Mabel,
0:06:31 > 0:06:33that's when our problems really started.
0:06:33 > 0:06:36Mabel Victoria Towerzey was born in 1897 in Colchester.
0:06:36 > 0:06:40She married a Frederic Charles Harrington in 1915 in Pancras.
0:06:47 > 0:06:50The couple married during the First World War, and at the time,
0:06:50 > 0:06:54Frederic was serving with the second Battalion London Irish Rifles.
0:06:56 > 0:06:57Frederic's had quite a complex war.
0:06:57 > 0:07:01He's had four months on the Western Front at Vimy Ridge.
0:07:01 > 0:07:05He's then served in Salonika for probably five months.
0:07:05 > 0:07:08And then he is sent out to the Far East, he's been in Egypt,
0:07:08 > 0:07:13and fought his way through Palestine against the Turks.
0:07:13 > 0:07:15So he's had a whole series of tough campaigns.
0:07:18 > 0:07:22It seems the toll of fighting in so many battles over such
0:07:22 > 0:07:25a sustained period proved too much for Frederic,
0:07:25 > 0:07:30and he was discharged nine months before the end of the war in 1918.
0:07:34 > 0:07:37He would have been exposed to artillery bombardment, machine guns,
0:07:37 > 0:07:42sniper fire, and that slowly erodes your capacity to cope.
0:07:42 > 0:07:43It uses up your mental energy.
0:07:46 > 0:07:50To cope with life in the trenches, the men developed strong bonds,
0:07:50 > 0:07:54and would often use faith to guide them through their darkest moments.
0:07:54 > 0:07:58The common mechanism is prayer, because it's a dialogue with God.
0:07:58 > 0:08:00It distracts you from what might happen,
0:08:00 > 0:08:04and it appears to confer some protection.
0:08:04 > 0:08:05But for men like Frederic,
0:08:05 > 0:08:09the horrors of the trenches were compounded by new types of warfare.
0:08:09 > 0:08:13Gas was the new horrific weapon of the First World War.
0:08:13 > 0:08:18It was considered inhumane, terrifying, a misuse of science,
0:08:18 > 0:08:22and so the post-war narrative tends to be dominated
0:08:22 > 0:08:24by the use of chemical weapons.
0:08:24 > 0:08:28And so any veteran who isn't functioning well -
0:08:28 > 0:08:31who has some medically unexplained illness -
0:08:31 > 0:08:34tends to have that attributed to the effects of gas.
0:08:38 > 0:08:40It's believed Frederic was one of the many men
0:08:40 > 0:08:42to suffer from gas poisoning.
0:08:42 > 0:08:46However, that may not fully explain the reason for his discharge.
0:08:46 > 0:08:51In February 1918, he is described as being medically unfit,
0:08:51 > 0:08:54he is evacuated to the UK, and is put on light duties.
0:08:54 > 0:08:57And that kind of suggests a diagnosis of shell shock.
0:08:57 > 0:09:01One way they'd cope with their distress is to somatise it,
0:09:01 > 0:09:03to convert it into a physical symptom.
0:09:03 > 0:09:07So it's very common in the '20s and '30s for veterans to suffer
0:09:07 > 0:09:10from stomach cramps, indigestion, chest pain - they are the
0:09:10 > 0:09:14classic symptoms of shell shock in the interwar period.
0:09:16 > 0:09:19Despite the traumatic effects of his time on the front line,
0:09:19 > 0:09:22Frederic had survived the war,
0:09:22 > 0:09:24and as the heir hunters were about to discover,
0:09:24 > 0:09:27he and wife Mabel went on to have more children.
0:09:31 > 0:09:34We conducted a birth search from that marriage,
0:09:34 > 0:09:37and found seven potential children.
0:09:38 > 0:09:41But as the team started looking into these children,
0:09:41 > 0:09:43they made a tragic discovery.
0:09:44 > 0:09:48We realised that Monica and Moya had passed away in infancy.
0:09:48 > 0:09:53Moya Harrington was born in 1921, and passed away in 1923,
0:09:53 > 0:09:56and Monica was born in 1924, and died in 1925.
0:09:58 > 0:10:01It's always quite sad when we discover tragic infant deaths
0:10:01 > 0:10:04in the cases that we work.
0:10:04 > 0:10:06In this case, there were two that died,
0:10:06 > 0:10:10and they were not even four years old. So, very sad for us,
0:10:10 > 0:10:13and, obviously, we don't know the situation at the time.
0:10:19 > 0:10:22Ben now turned his attention to the remaining children,
0:10:22 > 0:10:25and was able to make quick progress.
0:10:25 > 0:10:26One of them was still alive,
0:10:26 > 0:10:30and there were two other siblings that she had,
0:10:30 > 0:10:34who had passed away that left children.
0:10:34 > 0:10:36There was a Patrick, who was the eldest.
0:10:36 > 0:10:39Patrick Harrington, who married a Winifred Edwards.
0:10:39 > 0:10:42And then there was an Eileen Veronica Harrington,
0:10:42 > 0:10:44who married a Hall.
0:10:44 > 0:10:48The team were also able to rule out Francis, who had died a bachelor,
0:10:48 > 0:10:51which just left the stem of Wilfred to crack.
0:10:51 > 0:10:55But there was an issue with the seventh child, Wilfred Harrington.
0:10:55 > 0:10:59We couldn't find any record of him alive, or having married,
0:10:59 > 0:11:01or having passed away.
0:11:05 > 0:11:09Although Wilfred was listed on the census, the fact there was
0:11:09 > 0:11:12no other trace of him was a concern for the team,
0:11:12 > 0:11:15but ordering in a key document would prove invaluable.
0:11:17 > 0:11:20So we purchased the birth certificate, and we realised
0:11:20 > 0:11:24that he was actually Wilfred Besant.
0:11:24 > 0:11:29What happened was, is that Mabel went on to have another child
0:11:29 > 0:11:30with a Wilfred Besant.
0:11:36 > 0:11:39It was a surprising development,
0:11:39 > 0:11:41as Mabel was still married to Frederic Harrington,
0:11:41 > 0:11:45and it posed some problems for the team.
0:11:45 > 0:11:48Children born out of wedlock is quite unusual, but it does pop up
0:11:48 > 0:11:50every 30 to 40 cases that we look into.
0:11:50 > 0:11:53And it's a real headache for us, because we need to identify
0:11:53 > 0:11:55who they are, and where they belong in our family tree.
0:11:56 > 0:12:00The team now wondered how many more children Mabel had had
0:12:00 > 0:12:01with Wilfred Besant.
0:12:04 > 0:12:07They started by scrutinising the birth certificate
0:12:07 > 0:12:09of Wilfred and Mabel's son.
0:12:09 > 0:12:11On the birth certificate, what we have, first of all,
0:12:11 > 0:12:13when and where they were born.
0:12:13 > 0:12:18So in this case, it's the 21st of March, 1929 in St Pancras.
0:12:18 > 0:12:21And we have his full name, which is Wilfred.
0:12:21 > 0:12:24We have the name of his father, which is Wilfred Besant.
0:12:24 > 0:12:27And the name and surname and maiden name of mother.
0:12:27 > 0:12:30In this case, we have Mabel Victoria Harrington,
0:12:30 > 0:12:33formerly Towerzey, a restaurant waitress.
0:12:34 > 0:12:38Then it goes on to list the occupation of Wilfred's father,
0:12:38 > 0:12:40and that is of a hotel waiter.
0:12:44 > 0:12:47And as the team dug deeper into Mabel's relationship
0:12:47 > 0:12:51with Wilfred Besant, the case entered a new dimension.
0:12:51 > 0:12:55The bombshell in this case was that Mabel Towerzey had six children
0:12:55 > 0:12:57by Mr Harrington, and then went on to have three further children
0:12:57 > 0:12:59by Wilfred Besant.
0:12:59 > 0:13:02With the family tree turning into a web of increasing mystery,
0:13:02 > 0:13:06would the team ever be able to find the rightful beneficiaries?
0:13:12 > 0:13:15When the heir hunters take on a case estimated to be
0:13:15 > 0:13:20close to half a million pounds, the stakes are always high.
0:13:20 > 0:13:22You know, if we can get the chance to come and see you,
0:13:22 > 0:13:24and take you through some of the family history,
0:13:24 > 0:13:26that would be really good.
0:13:26 > 0:13:30Today, the race is on to track down and sign up the heirs
0:13:30 > 0:13:33to a potential £419,000 fortune.
0:13:35 > 0:13:38He hasn't signed with any competition as yet.
0:13:42 > 0:13:46In the London offices of heir hunting firm Finders International,
0:13:46 > 0:13:50the team is working at full speed as three new cases have come in.
0:13:50 > 0:13:54Today, there's been quite a few ads on the BB lists today.
0:13:54 > 0:13:59Now, I've had one in with the name of Carol May Chase.
0:13:59 > 0:14:03Now, she passed away in October this year.
0:14:05 > 0:14:08Now, we know that she owned her property when she passed away,
0:14:08 > 0:14:10and we know that she was married.
0:14:10 > 0:14:15Her maiden name was Hughes. So, initially, when we picked up
0:14:15 > 0:14:18this case, it could be quite a tricky one with that surname.
0:14:21 > 0:14:29Carol May Chase, who was a widow, died on October 1st, 2016, aged 76.
0:14:29 > 0:14:32She passed away in a hospital close to her home in Wallasey.
0:14:35 > 0:14:38As I'm going out about ten to eight, the ambulance came down the road.
0:14:40 > 0:14:43And another neighbour who saw her said
0:14:43 > 0:14:45"Well, we don't know what it was all about".
0:14:45 > 0:14:49She walked into the ambulance. He then got a phone call to say
0:14:49 > 0:14:53they were moving her to Broad Green, and she died that night.
0:14:53 > 0:14:57So it was all very sudden, and it was a shock.
0:14:58 > 0:15:00Although she'd not lived in the area long,
0:15:00 > 0:15:05Carol had become the life and soul of the local community,
0:15:05 > 0:15:07and is remembered fondly for her love of life.
0:15:09 > 0:15:13She'd been up here for just on two years, and had joined
0:15:13 > 0:15:20a tap-dancing group, pilates, and she'd always done
0:15:20 > 0:15:24Scottish country dancing, so she joined a group here.
0:15:24 > 0:15:30She used to go off to Scottish balls, and what have you.
0:15:32 > 0:15:37Yeah, very active and talkative, to say the least.
0:15:37 > 0:15:41And Carol also kept an interest in her former work as a teacher.
0:15:41 > 0:15:45One of the ladies who'd been at Saint Edmund's with her said
0:15:45 > 0:15:47she was a great one for reunions.
0:15:47 > 0:15:51So she always went to their school reunions.
0:15:54 > 0:15:58Carol owned this house on the Wirral, and with an estimated value
0:15:58 > 0:16:02of £419,000, the team know this is a major case
0:16:02 > 0:16:08that will attract the competition. They need to work fast.
0:16:08 > 0:16:11I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a increased sense of pressure
0:16:11 > 0:16:15and priority when we think a case is going to be more valuable.
0:16:15 > 0:16:19Obviously, this means that not only we stand, as a company, to earn
0:16:19 > 0:16:23more money on the signatures we obtain from the beneficiaries.
0:16:23 > 0:16:25And no-one is feeling the pressure more today
0:16:25 > 0:16:27than case manager Suzanne,
0:16:27 > 0:16:31who is trying to piece together the history of Carol's life.
0:16:31 > 0:16:35She previously lived in Plymouth with her husband.
0:16:35 > 0:16:38Unfortunately, her husband passed away in Plymouth,
0:16:38 > 0:16:41and it looks like she then moved back up to where she was from
0:16:41 > 0:16:43in Wallasey, and bought a property there.
0:16:47 > 0:16:50Initial investigations suggest that after the death of her husband,
0:16:50 > 0:16:54she probably had very few ties to the Plymouth area.
0:16:54 > 0:16:57Her and her husband didn't have any children,
0:16:57 > 0:17:01so this means we're having to look at whether she had
0:17:01 > 0:17:02any siblings at all.
0:17:02 > 0:17:07So we found that she was an only child, so we've had to look
0:17:07 > 0:17:09at both maternal and paternal families.
0:17:09 > 0:17:12Now, we've taken a look into the maternal family.
0:17:12 > 0:17:17The surname's Glennie, so that looks very good to work with.
0:17:17 > 0:17:23However, there's just one sibling of the deceased mother.
0:17:23 > 0:17:28Now, he passes away quite early on, so he's only 23 when he passes away.
0:17:28 > 0:17:31There's no heirs on that side at all.
0:17:32 > 0:17:34Turning her attention to the paternal side,
0:17:34 > 0:17:37Suzanne is struggling to tie down the right family.
0:17:37 > 0:17:40We're looking into the Hughes family. Now, it's proving to
0:17:40 > 0:17:43be quite difficult, as the deceased's father,
0:17:43 > 0:17:48he's born in 1912. Now, this means that we can't
0:17:48 > 0:17:53find his family on the census. Luckily, I've picked him up
0:17:53 > 0:17:57on the 1939, which has given me his parents' names,
0:17:57 > 0:18:01and a brother and a sister. So, that's really a great start.
0:18:04 > 0:18:08Making progress, Suzanne has established that Walter's parents
0:18:08 > 0:18:11were Frederick Hughes and Amy Pritchard.
0:18:11 > 0:18:15We're doing a Hughes and Pritchard birth search in Birkenhead.
0:18:15 > 0:18:19Now, that's throwing up loads and loads of possibilities.
0:18:19 > 0:18:23There's actually one with the first name Frederick,
0:18:23 > 0:18:26and one with the first name of Amy. Now, the parents' names
0:18:26 > 0:18:30are both Frederick and Amy, so initially, when you first
0:18:30 > 0:18:33see those names, you think, "They're both their children".
0:18:33 > 0:18:36But looking more closely at the birth register, it's clear
0:18:36 > 0:18:40to Suzanne they were only born three months apart, so can't be siblings.
0:18:42 > 0:18:45With the estate estimated at close to half a million pounds,
0:18:45 > 0:18:49rival companies will also be racing to find heirs,
0:18:49 > 0:18:52so Suzanne needs to decide which line to eliminate,
0:18:52 > 0:18:54and which to focus on.
0:18:54 > 0:18:57Making the wrong choice could spell disaster.
0:18:57 > 0:19:01With the pressure on, Suzanne makes her decision.
0:19:01 > 0:19:05Amy dies a spinster quite early on, so I think I'm just going to go
0:19:05 > 0:19:08with Frederick's line and just wait for the certificate,
0:19:08 > 0:19:10and just hope that it's right.
0:19:17 > 0:19:20And the arrival of Frederick's birth certificate
0:19:20 > 0:19:22shows Suzanne's decision was right.
0:19:24 > 0:19:27Had a possible Amy or Frederick They're both born in the
0:19:27 > 0:19:32same year, and both parents were named Amy and Frederick
0:19:32 > 0:19:36- OK.- So we've got that one back, and
0:19:36 > 0:19:40that's incorrect, so we definitely know that this line's right.
0:19:40 > 0:19:43Suzanne has managed to establish that Carol's father, Walter,
0:19:43 > 0:19:48was the eldest child born to Frederick and Amy Hughes.
0:19:48 > 0:19:51His sister Emily's death as an infant has brought
0:19:51 > 0:19:54her stem to a close. However, Walter's
0:19:54 > 0:19:58three other siblings, Frederick, Stanley and Dorothy,
0:19:58 > 0:20:00could have had children.
0:20:00 > 0:20:04These would be cousins and heirs to Carol's estate.
0:20:04 > 0:20:08All right, thank you. Bye-bye.
0:20:08 > 0:20:12Just as they're making progress, a new twist spells disaster
0:20:12 > 0:20:15as they try to descend Dorothy's stem.
0:20:17 > 0:20:18She marries a Jones.
0:20:18 > 0:20:24So I've picked up the marriage to a Leonard Jones in 1940 in Wallasey.
0:20:24 > 0:20:27So that's a Hughes-Jones birth search,
0:20:27 > 0:20:31which is impossible. There are so many in that area,
0:20:31 > 0:20:35and it's really close to Wales, as well.
0:20:35 > 0:20:38Hughes and Jones are the most common names in Wales.
0:20:38 > 0:20:41If Suzanne has any chance of staying ahead of rival companies
0:20:41 > 0:20:45on this high-value case, she has no alternative
0:20:45 > 0:20:50but to continue down the more costly and time-consuming route.
0:20:50 > 0:20:54It's simply impossible to really work without any certificates.
0:20:54 > 0:20:55So it's a bit of a nightmare.
0:20:55 > 0:20:59We're going have to order loads of certificates locally.
0:20:59 > 0:21:02Now, we've got an agent who's already on his way
0:21:02 > 0:21:04to go and pick up some certificates.
0:21:04 > 0:21:07The certificates that we need to order are going to cost us
0:21:07 > 0:21:10quite a lot of money in terms of the volume of documents we'll need,
0:21:10 > 0:21:14and just in terms of the speed in which we find heirs,
0:21:14 > 0:21:17it's going to be a lot longer than if that didn't occur.
0:21:17 > 0:21:21So, hopefully, that can give us a bit of a head start.
0:21:21 > 0:21:23But there's no guarantee that they'll make it
0:21:23 > 0:21:26to the register office first.
0:21:31 > 0:21:34Every year in Britain, thousands of people get a surprise
0:21:34 > 0:21:36knock on the door from the heir hunters.
0:21:36 > 0:21:41I was quite surprised, little bit shocked to find out
0:21:41 > 0:21:46that I had a long-lost relative who's passed on.
0:21:46 > 0:21:49As well as handing over life-changing sums of money,
0:21:49 > 0:21:53the heir hunters work can bring long-lost relatives back together.
0:21:53 > 0:21:55I was surprised.
0:21:55 > 0:21:57Very surprised.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02But thousands of estates have eluded the heir hunters,
0:22:02 > 0:22:04and remain unsolved.
0:22:04 > 0:22:08Today, we've got details of two estates that are yet to be claimed.
0:22:08 > 0:22:13Could you be the person the heir hunters have been looking for?
0:22:13 > 0:22:17First is the case of Frank Laird, who died on July 22,
0:22:17 > 0:22:192013, in Salisbury, Wiltshire.
0:22:22 > 0:22:26Born in Scotland, Frank is thought to have siblings living
0:22:26 > 0:22:31in Australia. His estate was advertised by the Treasury's
0:22:31 > 0:22:34Bona Vacantia Department but so far, no-one has come forward
0:22:34 > 0:22:36with a valid claim.
0:22:39 > 0:22:45Is there a chance you're related to Frank Laird?
0:22:45 > 0:22:48Next is the case of Marion Elizabeth Alton,
0:22:48 > 0:22:53who died March 20, 1987, in Salford, Manchester.
0:22:53 > 0:22:57However, it's not known where or when she was born.
0:22:59 > 0:23:02Marion was the widow of Frederic Alton,
0:23:02 > 0:23:05and the name Alton has strong links with the counties of Lancashire,
0:23:05 > 0:23:07Yorkshire, and Derbyshire.
0:23:09 > 0:23:11Are you an Alton? Do you hold the key
0:23:11 > 0:23:15to unlocking an estate that could be worth a fortune?
0:23:15 > 0:23:19If so, you could be in line for a surprise windfall.
0:23:24 > 0:23:27In London, heir hunters at Finders International
0:23:27 > 0:23:30are in a nonstop race against rival companies
0:23:30 > 0:23:32on the case of Carol Chase.
0:23:32 > 0:23:36Her estate is worth close to half a million pounds,
0:23:36 > 0:23:40and will have attracted the attention of the competition.
0:23:40 > 0:23:4376-year-old widow Carol, from Wallasey,
0:23:43 > 0:23:47had died unexpectedly in the autumn of 2016.
0:23:49 > 0:23:53Full of life and active to the end, Carol left a lasting impression
0:23:53 > 0:23:55on all who knew her.
0:23:55 > 0:24:00She was a character, let's put it that way. She will be missed.
0:24:00 > 0:24:05But I think it was the suddenness that shocked us all.
0:24:10 > 0:24:13The team have had to act fast, and dispatch a travelling
0:24:13 > 0:24:17researcher to get a number of records in person.
0:24:17 > 0:24:21In the meantime, the search is gathering pace, as the team
0:24:21 > 0:24:24look into the siblings of Carol's father, Walter.
0:24:24 > 0:24:29- So we've got the certificates. - OK, so now we can find more people
0:24:29 > 0:24:32without having to do "Oh, I see a Hughes-Jones."
0:24:32 > 0:24:37Dorothy's stem is on hold, as she married a Leonard Jones,
0:24:37 > 0:24:41and it's impossible to work this line without documentation.
0:24:41 > 0:24:44So the team turn their attention to Walter's brothers,
0:24:44 > 0:24:48Frederick and Stanley. And a closer look at Frederick's
0:24:48 > 0:24:52wife's name reveals a startling coincidence,
0:24:52 > 0:24:54and another potential stumbling block.
0:24:54 > 0:24:58Now, he actually marries a Jones, as well, so again
0:24:58 > 0:25:02it's another Hughes-Jones birth search in the Birkenhead area.
0:25:02 > 0:25:08He dies in Holywell in Wales, so it's all very close, I think,
0:25:08 > 0:25:10and Jones in that...
0:25:10 > 0:25:15Jones in Wales is simply impossible to work without certificates.
0:25:15 > 0:25:18With Frederick and his sister Dorothy marrying Joneses,
0:25:18 > 0:25:22pinning down the right heirs is going to be extremely tough.
0:25:22 > 0:25:25But there's one more uncle left to research.
0:25:25 > 0:25:30So the final stem on the Hughes side is Stanley Hugh Hughes.
0:25:30 > 0:25:34Now, he passed away in '74.
0:25:34 > 0:25:38Now, we're not sure if he married. There's three potential marriages.
0:25:38 > 0:25:41I think I've ruled two of them out, linking to different
0:25:41 > 0:25:47Stanley H Hughes, and I've gone with Regina Graham.
0:25:47 > 0:25:51Now, she dies in 2005. I've ordered that death, as well,
0:25:51 > 0:25:54in hope that the informant is listed and maybe there's
0:25:54 > 0:25:56a daughter or a son.
0:25:56 > 0:25:59So we'll be getting certificates all in today.
0:25:59 > 0:26:01Our representative's gone down to the registry office to pick them up,
0:26:01 > 0:26:08so we're hoping they'll be in hopefully around one or two today.
0:26:08 > 0:26:11With time ticking, the pressure is on for the heir hunters.
0:26:11 > 0:26:15The certificates are in, and it's all hands on deck as they pick up
0:26:15 > 0:26:18the line descending from Frederick Norman Hughes
0:26:18 > 0:26:21for a second time.
0:26:21 > 0:26:22And the hard work is paying off,
0:26:22 > 0:26:26as Suzanne makes a breakthrough, and finds two of Fred's daughters.
0:26:26 > 0:26:27She quickly makes contact.
0:26:29 > 0:26:33Your husband's brothers and sisters that are living,
0:26:33 > 0:26:39and then also I'll see if I can find their children, as well.
0:26:39 > 0:26:42For Suzanne, the information is vital in helping her establish
0:26:42 > 0:26:47who Frederick and Lillian's children are ahead of the competition.
0:26:47 > 0:26:50Now, out of the eight children,
0:26:50 > 0:26:52one had passed away as an infant.
0:26:52 > 0:26:59Frederick and Lillian, both named after the parents, passed away.
0:26:59 > 0:27:04Frederic had five children, and Lillian had two children.
0:27:04 > 0:27:09These certificates led us to crack a Hughes-Jones stem,
0:27:09 > 0:27:11and locate 12 heirs.
0:27:13 > 0:27:16With 12 beneficiaries stemming from Carol's uncle Frederick,
0:27:16 > 0:27:20every precious moment counts if the team are to locate
0:27:20 > 0:27:23them all, and sign them up before their rivals.
0:27:23 > 0:27:25It's all hands on deck.
0:27:25 > 0:27:28We know that any potential competition looking at it
0:27:28 > 0:27:30are going to be putting more resources into it,
0:27:30 > 0:27:32so we have to pull everyone together,
0:27:32 > 0:27:35we have to fight harder, if you like, to get signatures
0:27:35 > 0:27:38from the heirs and to find everybody in the quickest time possible.
0:27:38 > 0:27:42Can I get you to take a look at a couple of stems for me?
0:27:42 > 0:27:45With the end in sight, Suzanne still has to establish
0:27:45 > 0:27:49if Carol's uncle Stanley and aunt Dorothy had children.
0:27:49 > 0:27:53We ordered the certificate of Stanley's wife, Regina Hughes.
0:27:53 > 0:27:57It came back into the office, and as the informant,
0:27:57 > 0:28:01we though a family member was listed, so that was perfect.
0:28:01 > 0:28:03We might do, hopefully.
0:28:03 > 0:28:06But things aren't that straightforward, and the name
0:28:06 > 0:28:09on the certificate is that of a family friend.
0:28:09 > 0:28:12The team contact her in the hope she may have some knowledge
0:28:12 > 0:28:16of the Hughes family.
0:28:16 > 0:28:21She was actually able to provide us with a lot of family information.
0:28:21 > 0:28:24Stanley and Regina had two boys,
0:28:24 > 0:28:30Trevor and Glyn, and they'd both unfortunately passed away, as well.
0:28:30 > 0:28:33So I think they were fairly, fairly young when they passed away.
0:28:33 > 0:28:36They were only in their 50s.
0:28:36 > 0:28:38But despite having died relatively young,
0:28:38 > 0:28:40they both had one daughter each.
0:28:42 > 0:28:46Today, travelling representative Parmjeet is on his way to visit
0:28:46 > 0:28:50Deborah, who is Stanley and Regina's granddaughter,
0:28:50 > 0:28:51and Carol's first cousin once removed.
0:28:55 > 0:28:57Hello, Debbie, nice to meet you.
0:28:57 > 0:29:00Let me just come in. Let me show you the family tree.
0:29:00 > 0:29:02- OK.- This is the family tree. It's a bit long!
0:29:05 > 0:29:10- OK, we'll start from over here.- OK. - That's Carol, who's passed away.
0:29:10 > 0:29:15Her dad was Walter Pritchard Hughes, and he was a brother
0:29:15 > 0:29:18of your grandfather.
0:29:18 > 0:29:22Your great-grandfather was Frederick, and then
0:29:22 > 0:29:26he had one, two, three,
0:29:26 > 0:29:29- four, five children.- OK.
0:29:29 > 0:29:32Out of one of those, one was an infant death,
0:29:32 > 0:29:35and the other ones are... Some are surviving.
0:29:35 > 0:29:39Those who are not their children are beneficiaries.
0:29:39 > 0:29:43You can see we've got a number of beneficiaries there.
0:29:43 > 0:29:48Your line is just the two, then we've got Dorothy,
0:29:48 > 0:29:53who's got two, then we've got Frederick, who had eight children.
0:29:53 > 0:29:56- Right.- And out of those, Frederick's
0:29:56 > 0:30:01passed away and he's got one, two, three, four, five children.
0:30:02 > 0:30:06And Lillian's passed away, and they've got two children.
0:30:06 > 0:30:09I don't know how much you knew about your family.
0:30:09 > 0:30:12I don't know a lot on my dad's side at all, to be honest.
0:30:12 > 0:30:16- Yeah. - Because he died when he was 51,
0:30:16 > 0:30:19and didn't really talk a lot about them, and I thought
0:30:19 > 0:30:23it was just me. My dad passed away when I was...
0:30:23 > 0:30:2727, and not long after, everyone else did, and then
0:30:27 > 0:30:29I thought it was just me.
0:30:32 > 0:30:35Shocked by the discovery of this new-found family,
0:30:35 > 0:30:37Deborah tries to piece the puzzle together.
0:30:37 > 0:30:40The relatives that I knew about were my dad, Glynn,
0:30:40 > 0:30:46and my uncle Trevor, my nan, their mother,
0:30:46 > 0:30:50and Trevor's daughter,
0:30:50 > 0:30:57I knew her when I was at school. My dad, he had MS, and sadly
0:30:57 > 0:31:02passed away when he was quite young, and Trevor passed away not long
0:31:02 > 0:31:06afterwards, and then not long after him, my nan passed away.
0:31:06 > 0:31:09With most of her close relatives gone, the call from Suzanne
0:31:09 > 0:31:11caught her unawares.
0:31:11 > 0:31:15It was a big shock when she started coming out with...
0:31:15 > 0:31:18I mean, I'd never even heard of Carol.
0:31:18 > 0:31:23The more she went into it, the more... It's exciting, isn't it?
0:31:23 > 0:31:26It's just... mind-blowingly exciting
0:31:26 > 0:31:29that something like this could happen, and, you know,
0:31:29 > 0:31:33I get to discover there's more out there now.
0:31:33 > 0:31:37But now Deborah's got over the initial shock, she and her family
0:31:37 > 0:31:40are enjoying learning about the Hughes family tree.
0:31:40 > 0:31:43My husband just thinks it's brilliant, and he's
0:31:43 > 0:31:45really made up for me.
0:31:47 > 0:31:50Can I keep a copy?
0:31:50 > 0:31:52We'll send you another. This is an edited version only.
0:31:52 > 0:31:53OK. Yeah.
0:31:53 > 0:31:56But once we've finished it all, you'll be able to get a full copy.
0:31:56 > 0:31:58Oh, brilliant.
0:31:58 > 0:32:02Back in the office, all the loose ends are being tied up,
0:32:02 > 0:32:07with 16 beneficiaries having been traced to Carol's estate.
0:32:10 > 0:32:13We were able to get representatives out to see them,
0:32:13 > 0:32:15and they all retained our services.
0:32:15 > 0:32:18So that just shows, you know, how good it is to get
0:32:18 > 0:32:22certificates in on the same day from registry offices.
0:32:22 > 0:32:26And Suzanne's hard work means the world to heir Deborah.
0:32:26 > 0:32:31It's made me want to find out loads more about my family.
0:32:31 > 0:32:35I instantly started to look online at the time, and I really
0:32:35 > 0:32:38successfully traced my mum's side,
0:32:38 > 0:32:40way back to my great-great-grandparents, but
0:32:40 > 0:32:44I've failed a bit on the Hugheses because it's a very popular name.
0:32:44 > 0:32:47And in Liverpool, there's a lot of Hugheses.
0:32:47 > 0:32:50What's happened now is a new lease of life, really, to try
0:32:50 > 0:32:53and rekindle that family connection I have again.
0:32:53 > 0:32:58You know, raise a toast to Carol. You know?
0:33:01 > 0:33:04In London, the team at Fraser & Fraser
0:33:04 > 0:33:07were trying to find heirs to the £280,000
0:33:07 > 0:33:09estate of Geoffrey Wilson.
0:33:09 > 0:33:14Do you know what? That's probably why we couldn't find him.
0:33:14 > 0:33:18Research into Geoffrey's mother Mary's family had thrown up
0:33:18 > 0:33:19a curveball for the team.
0:33:20 > 0:33:24Mary's sister, Mabel Towerzey, had married soldier
0:33:24 > 0:33:28Frederic Harrington in 1915, and they'd had six children.
0:33:28 > 0:33:31But now it transpires she'd had more children with a man
0:33:31 > 0:33:34called Wilfred Besant.
0:33:34 > 0:33:39So when we discovered that Mabel went on to have another child,
0:33:39 > 0:33:40Wilfred, we then thought,
0:33:40 > 0:33:42"Maybe, did they have any other children?"
0:33:42 > 0:33:44So we then used that combination of Besant to Towerzey
0:33:44 > 0:33:47but we've had no trace, so we think, "Well, maybe she's
0:33:47 > 0:33:49"playing around with her names," and in our experience this can
0:33:49 > 0:33:52happen, so we've then just decided to have a shot in the dark,
0:33:52 > 0:33:54and see if there's any Besant to Harrington births.
0:33:54 > 0:33:59And we've got two in the same sort of area, in London City -
0:33:59 > 0:34:03a Colin born in 1930, and a Mavis born in 1931.
0:34:09 > 0:34:13But a key question remains - why had Mabel gone on to have
0:34:13 > 0:34:16more children with Wilfred, while still married to Frederic?
0:34:16 > 0:34:18Research into Frederic's remarkable life
0:34:18 > 0:34:21would provide a possible answer.
0:34:23 > 0:34:26From a young age, Frederic had been deeply religious,
0:34:26 > 0:34:30and in his mid-teens, he took his faith in a new direction.
0:34:30 > 0:34:34I think about 16 or 17, like some people at that period,
0:34:34 > 0:34:36he converted to Orthodoxy,
0:34:36 > 0:34:39and in those days there weren't many Orthodox Churches around,
0:34:39 > 0:34:42so he was received at the Russian Orthodox Embassy Chapel
0:34:42 > 0:34:46in London in 1897, so he became Orthodox then.
0:34:49 > 0:34:54From 1899 to 1918, Frederic served in the Army, fighting in both
0:34:54 > 0:34:57the Boer War and the First World War.
0:34:58 > 0:35:01But after being discharged, it seems Frederic then
0:35:01 > 0:35:03dedicated his life to his religion.
0:35:03 > 0:35:06His Christian faith was something that was very important to him.
0:35:06 > 0:35:09He was a good man, a man of prayer, a kind man,
0:35:09 > 0:35:11who cared about other people.
0:35:13 > 0:35:17During the 1920s, it's believed Frederic spent time
0:35:17 > 0:35:21in Africa, spreading the word of the Orthodox Church.
0:35:21 > 0:35:24He'd spent his childhood there, he'd spent his early youth there,
0:35:24 > 0:35:29he'd worked there, and he clearly had a rapport with African people.
0:35:29 > 0:35:32He also spent time in India.
0:35:32 > 0:35:35When he was in India, there were people who needed to be
0:35:35 > 0:35:39prepared for baptism, there were people who'd been converted,
0:35:39 > 0:35:41and he was helping to assist them.
0:35:41 > 0:35:45They were quite large numbers, so this was a task that he took on.
0:35:45 > 0:35:49By the late 1920s, he returned to London, and became an
0:35:49 > 0:35:54active member in what is now known as the British Orthodox Church.
0:35:56 > 0:36:00The British Orthodox Church is a Church of the Orthodox tradition.
0:36:00 > 0:36:03We've derived from the consecration of our first bishop
0:36:03 > 0:36:06from Syria in 1866.
0:36:06 > 0:36:09Our task is actually to bring orthodoxy to British people,
0:36:09 > 0:36:12because we see orthodoxy as being universal.
0:36:14 > 0:36:17Frederic was ordained, and set up his own mission to help
0:36:17 > 0:36:20the poor of Islington.
0:36:20 > 0:36:23He saw things on quite a sort of sensible scale -
0:36:23 > 0:36:26he had the idea of missions going off, sort of
0:36:26 > 0:36:30household services, people going round dealing with the problems
0:36:30 > 0:36:34of poverty, and the area where he was in Islington,
0:36:34 > 0:36:36in those days, was quite a sort of poor area.
0:36:36 > 0:36:40His tireless work earned him a lasting legacy.
0:36:40 > 0:36:42He was highly respected in the church, and although he'd
0:36:42 > 0:36:46been dead long before I was born, people still spoke of him
0:36:46 > 0:36:48with affection, and there were people who knew him personally.
0:36:48 > 0:36:51Some people called him "The Poor People And Children's Bishop",
0:36:51 > 0:36:53because he was seen around the streets in his robes.
0:36:56 > 0:36:59But Frederic's worldwide travel seemed to take its toll
0:36:59 > 0:37:02on his marriage.
0:37:02 > 0:37:06His personal life was quite tragic in some ways.
0:37:06 > 0:37:09It would seem that the marriage didn't work out, there were issues
0:37:09 > 0:37:11there and so his wife left him and went off to live
0:37:11 > 0:37:14with someone else. But he was a loving father,
0:37:14 > 0:37:16and it's very interesting that his son Patrick
0:37:16 > 0:37:19remained very close to him.
0:37:25 > 0:37:29In the office, the heir hunters have made a sad discovery
0:37:29 > 0:37:31about Frederic's wife, Mabel.
0:37:31 > 0:37:35In 1934, her life had been tragically cut short.
0:37:35 > 0:37:39She dies aged 37, she has seven children alive.
0:37:39 > 0:37:43Mabel's early death was a potential problem for Ben and the team.
0:37:43 > 0:37:48So around that time when Mabel passed away, if the father didn't
0:37:48 > 0:37:51have the resources to look after the children or if the family
0:37:51 > 0:37:54couldn't help out, the extended family, that is,
0:37:54 > 0:37:56the children were probably put into care.
0:37:56 > 0:37:59Ben's suspicions were soon confirmed.
0:37:59 > 0:38:02When we find out that a family have been put into care,
0:38:02 > 0:38:06it's more difficult for us to confirm our research.
0:38:06 > 0:38:09They've obviously been disjointed over time,
0:38:09 > 0:38:12they've lost contact, or they just have no knowledge about certain
0:38:12 > 0:38:17events in their family or potential relations.
0:38:17 > 0:38:20So...very difficult for us to research.
0:38:24 > 0:38:28Despite this hurdle, the team were able to trace the descendants
0:38:28 > 0:38:32of all of Mabel's children, and it wasn't long before they began
0:38:32 > 0:38:35finding potential beneficiaries.
0:38:35 > 0:38:38We've got children we've got there...
0:38:38 > 0:38:41Three of them were Leslie, David, and Michael,
0:38:41 > 0:38:44the children of Frederic and Mabel's eldest son, Patrick,
0:38:44 > 0:38:48and when Ben delivered the news, it brought up some difficult memories.
0:38:50 > 0:38:54I think it was to do with my grandmother.
0:38:54 > 0:38:59Because my grandfather was away out of the country a lot of the time
0:38:59 > 0:39:01when he was on business.
0:39:02 > 0:39:07She got involved with somebody else, and had three further children.
0:39:07 > 0:39:11It was all going on under the nose of my grandfather.
0:39:11 > 0:39:14He didn't know, because he was away a lot in all sorts
0:39:14 > 0:39:15of parts of the world.
0:39:17 > 0:39:20Tragically, their father Patrick also remembered the deaths
0:39:20 > 0:39:25of his two young sisters, Monica and Moya.
0:39:25 > 0:39:29Two of the sisters died.
0:39:29 > 0:39:34One was burnt, and the other one fell down the stairs.
0:39:35 > 0:39:39And they was only one, three years old.
0:39:39 > 0:39:42So very young, you know.
0:39:42 > 0:39:47I get upset myself thinking about it, you know?
0:39:47 > 0:39:51- Dad was looking after the children, really.- Yes.
0:39:51 > 0:39:53One of the older children, looking after the younger ones.
0:39:53 > 0:39:56Yeah. And I think he blamed himself for...
0:39:56 > 0:39:59For the deaths of two of the children, yes.
0:39:59 > 0:40:03It seems this disruptive upbringing explains why Leslie
0:40:03 > 0:40:07and his brothers had never heard of the deceased, Geoffrey Wilson.
0:40:10 > 0:40:18The war and the break-up of our grandfather Frederic's family...
0:40:18 > 0:40:23effectively broke the family into pieces, and we knew nothing
0:40:23 > 0:40:29- about that side of it.- Yeah. - I suppose that's fairly common.
0:40:29 > 0:40:32After a tricky search, Ben and the team had now managed
0:40:32 > 0:40:37to locate a total of 23 heirs to the £280,000 estate
0:40:37 > 0:40:40of Geoffrey Wilson.
0:40:40 > 0:40:43The most important thing on the case of Geoffrey Wilson is that
0:40:43 > 0:40:45we've reconnected the family.
0:40:45 > 0:40:48Not only on the stem of Mabel, but generally
0:40:48 > 0:40:51the whole family. And so it's going to be
0:40:51 > 0:40:53an eye-opener for everyone once they have a copy
0:40:53 > 0:40:54of that family tree.
0:40:57 > 0:41:00And it's actually the church library as well, which is really good...
0:41:00 > 0:41:01Yeah.
0:41:01 > 0:41:04Hello. Welcome.
0:41:04 > 0:41:06Lovely to see you.
0:41:06 > 0:41:09But for Leslie, David and Michael, a new journey is beginning.
0:41:09 > 0:41:14Becoming heirs has made them want to find out more about their ancestors,
0:41:14 > 0:41:16especially their grandfather, Frederic.
0:41:16 > 0:41:20And today, they've arranged to meet Seraphim.
0:41:20 > 0:41:23The thing that also is important for us, of course -
0:41:23 > 0:41:27we've got this pastoral staff, which is interesting because always
0:41:27 > 0:41:31the tradition was that your father made it for Frederic.
0:41:31 > 0:41:34- Yes.- And, in fact,
0:41:34 > 0:41:36it was interesting because it passed down, and my predecessor,
0:41:36 > 0:41:39when he was consecrated as a bishop in 1944, he used it
0:41:39 > 0:41:42on that occasion. And when I was made a bishop
0:41:42 > 0:41:44in 1977, I also used it.
0:41:44 > 0:41:47So it's been something that's been passed down.
0:41:47 > 0:41:49- Was he skilled with sort of making things?- He was a cabinet-maker.
0:41:49 > 0:41:52Oh, he was a cabinet-maker? But I'm surprised he didn't carve it,
0:41:52 > 0:41:55then, really, because, in a way...
0:41:55 > 0:41:59And Seraphim has some interesting things to share.
0:41:59 > 0:42:02Somebody wrote a book about a religious community that came
0:42:02 > 0:42:06into the link with Frederic, but it didn't come to anything.
0:42:06 > 0:42:08But there's a picture in it, and it says,
0:42:08 > 0:42:11"The bearded priest is unidentified,"
0:42:11 > 0:42:12and of course, it's Frederic.
0:42:12 > 0:42:16Inside, he's annotated it in pencil.
0:42:16 > 0:42:21This is the picture that, as I said, is the companion, and there's
0:42:21 > 0:42:23- that one, as well. - Oh, yeah, I've seen that one.
0:42:23 > 0:42:25You've seen that one, yeah?
0:42:27 > 0:42:31Meeting Seraphim has given the brothers the chance to connect
0:42:31 > 0:42:33with the grandfather they barely knew.
0:42:33 > 0:42:35- Super, lovely.- Thanks very much.
0:42:35 > 0:42:37It's been a very interesting visit.
0:42:37 > 0:42:40He's provided a lot of answers to the questions
0:42:40 > 0:42:44I've been having for years. I just can't imagine how he got
0:42:44 > 0:42:46the time to do it all!
0:42:46 > 0:42:49Going round the world, you know...
0:42:49 > 0:42:51Different places. Just amazing.
0:42:53 > 0:42:56I've learned so much, and one of the difficulties,
0:42:56 > 0:43:00of course, is the more you know, the more you realise you DON'T know.
0:43:00 > 0:43:04There's lots and lots of gaps, and lots more questions
0:43:04 > 0:43:06but hopefully we can fill in some more of those gaps.