Brown/Rubin

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0:00:04 > 0:00:05Today, the Heir Hunters battle

0:00:05 > 0:00:08with one of the biggest cases they've looked at.

0:00:08 > 0:00:11We've exceeded the length of the table and this is one third of that family tree.

0:00:11 > 0:00:15But could all their hard work be for nothing?

0:00:15 > 0:00:17If there's a will in there, then I will personally

0:00:17 > 0:00:19be absolutely devastated.

0:00:19 > 0:00:22Whilst the search is on for a missing son...

0:00:24 > 0:00:30We now had a serious theory that Richard Camden was the same man.

0:00:30 > 0:00:33..they make a horrific discovery.

0:00:33 > 0:00:39Sometimes you can find that a family has been affected by tragic chapters

0:00:39 > 0:00:41in world history.

0:00:41 > 0:00:44It's all in a day's work for the Heir Hunters.

0:00:50 > 0:00:52All right, thank you very much for your time.

0:00:52 > 0:00:54Take care, bye-bye.

0:00:54 > 0:00:58Heir Hunters at firm Fraser & Fraser are working on a case

0:00:58 > 0:01:02that has snowballed into a scale that has rarely been seen before.

0:01:02 > 0:01:05In 20 years, I would say this is either the biggest

0:01:05 > 0:01:07or the second biggest family that I've ever dealt with.

0:01:07 > 0:01:09It's certainly up there.

0:01:09 > 0:01:10Who's free? Anybody?

0:01:10 > 0:01:15Researchers from both the London and Edinburgh offices have spent

0:01:15 > 0:01:18the last two and a half years trying to crack the case of David Brown,

0:01:18 > 0:01:21who died in 2014,

0:01:21 > 0:01:26leaving behind an estate worth an estimated £150,000.

0:01:28 > 0:01:30I have lost heart with this case a few times,

0:01:30 > 0:01:33because it seems like an insurmountable challenge.

0:01:36 > 0:01:39Today, case manager Karen Johannesson

0:01:39 > 0:01:42is on her way to revisit David Brown's house

0:01:42 > 0:01:46to carry out a search that could make or break the case.

0:01:46 > 0:01:49We'll have a good look around and we'll look and see if there's

0:01:49 > 0:01:51any personal effects, any personal letters.

0:01:51 > 0:01:55There's the possibility of unearthing something that could mean

0:01:55 > 0:01:59all of Karen's efforts over the last two years have been for nothing.

0:01:59 > 0:02:02If there's a will in there, then that changes absolutely everything.

0:02:02 > 0:02:05I will personally be absolutely devastated,

0:02:05 > 0:02:07because I've worked so hard on this case.

0:02:09 > 0:02:10Oh, wow!

0:02:10 > 0:02:12That's it there.

0:02:14 > 0:02:15Thanks.

0:02:15 > 0:02:17This house,

0:02:17 > 0:02:20situated in the small Scottish fishing village of Pittenweem,

0:02:20 > 0:02:22was originally David's parents' home,

0:02:22 > 0:02:24and his grandparents before them.

0:02:29 > 0:02:31- Oh, wow. - SHE LAUGHS

0:02:34 > 0:02:36As the sole asset in this estate,

0:02:36 > 0:02:39it's a relief to see the house is still in one piece.

0:02:41 > 0:02:42Yep.

0:02:42 > 0:02:44There's still water running.

0:02:44 > 0:02:47If not in need of some TLC.

0:02:47 > 0:02:49So much dust.

0:02:55 > 0:02:58This is the only known photograph of David Brown,

0:02:58 > 0:03:00taken at a business conference.

0:03:02 > 0:03:05David passed away on 20th February 2014.

0:03:08 > 0:03:10Although little is known about his life,

0:03:10 > 0:03:12David never married

0:03:12 > 0:03:15and in his final years, he became something of a recluse.

0:03:17 > 0:03:19He kept very much himself to himself.

0:03:19 > 0:03:22He was, um, a smiley man.

0:03:22 > 0:03:24He always had a nice smile.

0:03:26 > 0:03:29Neighbour Sarah McLeod's family has owned the house next door

0:03:29 > 0:03:32to David's for over 100 years.

0:03:33 > 0:03:36But he spent much of his time working away.

0:03:38 > 0:03:41He was a sort of travelling salesman.

0:03:41 > 0:03:45He had worked in England most of the time when I was growing up,

0:03:45 > 0:03:49so I got to know him when he was a retired man.

0:03:49 > 0:03:53Sarah was with David during his final days.

0:03:53 > 0:03:58I popped in to see him, and he was in bed, bedridden, couldn't speak,

0:03:58 > 0:04:01but we did make eye contact,

0:04:01 > 0:04:05and I touched his hand and stuff, and that was the last time I saw him

0:04:05 > 0:04:07and I think that was... he died the next day.

0:04:10 > 0:04:14I felt sad, because the nurses told me nobody had been in to see him.

0:04:17 > 0:04:20It's believed David didn't leave a will.

0:04:24 > 0:04:25But at his house,

0:04:25 > 0:04:27Karen needs to double-check that nothing was missed

0:04:27 > 0:04:29last time she came.

0:04:31 > 0:04:32Something special.

0:04:36 > 0:04:38Ah, right. The big bedroom.

0:04:38 > 0:04:40This one's got a fireplace.

0:04:40 > 0:04:43- A working fireplace... - INDISTINCT SPEECH

0:04:43 > 0:04:44With no sign of any will,

0:04:44 > 0:04:48Karen's search for David's relatives is more important than ever.

0:04:50 > 0:04:53It's Karen here. How are you doing?

0:04:53 > 0:04:58Today's house visit is the latest stage in a case that first landed on

0:04:58 > 0:05:03Karen's desk in October 2014, having been advertised as unclaimed.

0:05:03 > 0:05:07I was interested immediately because it was on the high street

0:05:07 > 0:05:09in Pittenweem, and I guessed from that

0:05:09 > 0:05:12that he would probably own that property.

0:05:12 > 0:05:17The hunt to find David Brown's heirs was now on.

0:05:21 > 0:05:22What's his mother's maiden name?

0:05:22 > 0:05:24Heir Hunters work on commission,

0:05:24 > 0:05:27taking a pre-agreed percentage of the estate.

0:05:27 > 0:05:32But although David Brown's property is worth a healthy £150,000,

0:05:32 > 0:05:34there are no guarantees the commission

0:05:34 > 0:05:36will be enough to cover their costs.

0:05:40 > 0:05:43The biggest gamble for our work is that when a case

0:05:43 > 0:05:45first lands on my desk,

0:05:45 > 0:05:48I don't know if we're going to end up with a single beneficiary

0:05:48 > 0:05:50and a £1 million estate,

0:05:50 > 0:05:54or 180 beneficiaries and a £20,000 estate.

0:05:54 > 0:05:56It's a massive gamble for us to start work.

0:05:58 > 0:06:01It was a gamble Karen was willing to take.

0:06:01 > 0:06:04She already knew David died a bachelor

0:06:04 > 0:06:06and didn't have any children.

0:06:07 > 0:06:10We're thinking about, does he have siblings?

0:06:10 > 0:06:13We knew that the Brown family were in Pittenweem,

0:06:13 > 0:06:15Anstruther and Cellardyke,

0:06:15 > 0:06:17so we did our birth searches in those areas

0:06:17 > 0:06:21and I was satisfied that he did not have any brothers or sisters.

0:06:21 > 0:06:24Establishing David Brown was an only child meant

0:06:24 > 0:06:27that any hopes of a quick resolution fell by the wayside.

0:06:30 > 0:06:33We know that we're going to be doing a case involving cousins,

0:06:33 > 0:06:35which most of our cases usually are.

0:06:35 > 0:06:39So that means we're going to do his mother's family tree

0:06:39 > 0:06:41and his father's family tree,

0:06:41 > 0:06:44and find out any of his cousins and their descendants.

0:06:46 > 0:06:50Searching for cousins can involve a lot of research,

0:06:50 > 0:06:54but Karen was about to make a surprising discovery.

0:06:54 > 0:06:59Mr Brown had no heirs in the class of cousins, or their descendants.

0:06:59 > 0:07:02It was bad news for the team,

0:07:02 > 0:07:04and if David Brown had died in England,

0:07:04 > 0:07:07the case could've stalled there and then.

0:07:08 > 0:07:10But David died in Scotland,

0:07:10 > 0:07:13which meant there was a glimmer of hope for Karen.

0:07:15 > 0:07:18In England, once you've exhausted the class of first cousins and

0:07:18 > 0:07:21their descendants, the estate will then fall to the Treasury.

0:07:21 > 0:07:24However, in Scotland, we have the option to work back

0:07:24 > 0:07:27to second cousins and their descendants.

0:07:29 > 0:07:33But going back an extra generation to look for second cousins

0:07:33 > 0:07:36meant this case could snowball into one of the biggest

0:07:36 > 0:07:37the firm has ever dealt with.

0:07:40 > 0:07:43The time taken to do research obviously is massively extended,

0:07:43 > 0:07:48and the time taken to contact and, er, hopefully get a contract

0:07:48 > 0:07:51from all the beneficiaries is extended even further.

0:07:51 > 0:07:53Thank you, bye.

0:07:53 > 0:07:55And with no guarantee of finding any heirs,

0:07:55 > 0:07:58the team had a big decision to make.

0:07:58 > 0:08:01You have to make that judgment call.

0:08:01 > 0:08:03Was it worth going back another generation

0:08:03 > 0:08:06and potentially unleashing four new family trees?

0:08:13 > 0:08:17Despite the risk, the team was determined to crack this case.

0:08:17 > 0:08:21But the sheer size of the research meant that Karen needed the full

0:08:21 > 0:08:23resources of the team in London.

0:08:23 > 0:08:27File number four, which is the current file...

0:08:28 > 0:08:32Case manager Gareth Langford would lead the research in London,

0:08:32 > 0:08:35and he started by looking into David's maternal grandfather,

0:08:35 > 0:08:36Andrew Anderson.

0:08:38 > 0:08:42And all their fears about the scale of the research were realised.

0:08:42 > 0:08:46Just opening up the family tree on one branch, so the Anderson branch,

0:08:46 > 0:08:49we've exceeded the length of the table,

0:08:49 > 0:08:51and this is one third of that family tree.

0:08:51 > 0:08:55The research costs were now spiralling out of control,

0:08:55 > 0:08:59but more worryingly, there was still no sign of any heirs.

0:08:59 > 0:09:02I don't think we despair when we're looking at cases.

0:09:02 > 0:09:04When we start a case, you know, the entire

0:09:04 > 0:09:07objective is to locate all the beneficiaries.

0:09:07 > 0:09:10So, you know, if you start a case, you've got to finish it. Otherwise, what's the point?

0:09:10 > 0:09:13In Scotland, things weren't looking any better.

0:09:15 > 0:09:17These are big families.

0:09:17 > 0:09:20Euphemia married Mr Gardiner and had seven issue.

0:09:20 > 0:09:24Elizabeth married Mr Gardiner's brother, Philip Gardiner, and had four issue.

0:09:24 > 0:09:28But it wasn't just the size of the families that was causing problems.

0:09:28 > 0:09:32As Karen began to establish the all-important second cousins,

0:09:32 > 0:09:35she hit another stumbling block.

0:09:35 > 0:09:38All the second cousins have passed away, and so we're looking

0:09:38 > 0:09:39at their descendants,

0:09:39 > 0:09:42and sometimes we're coming down three or four generations.

0:09:42 > 0:09:46Now, this is really complex, even for professional genealogists.

0:09:46 > 0:09:50With the research snowballing, the case was looking like a bigger

0:09:50 > 0:09:52and bigger gamble for the team.

0:09:52 > 0:09:55I'll be surprised if we break even.

0:09:55 > 0:09:59Erm, but, you know, as we often say, once you start a case,

0:09:59 > 0:10:00you've got to finish it.

0:10:08 > 0:10:12Hi, this is Hector Birchwood, I'm returning your call.

0:10:12 > 0:10:16Many estates stay unclaimed for many years on the Bona Vacantia list,

0:10:16 > 0:10:18and sometimes new information comes to light,

0:10:18 > 0:10:22and hopefully, that is what allows us to break through the case.

0:10:22 > 0:10:27The Heir Hunters team at firm Celtic Research is trying to wrap up

0:10:27 > 0:10:28one of those cases.

0:10:28 > 0:10:33Well, he was entitled to a share in an estate.

0:10:33 > 0:10:37When they first looked into the case of Jacqueline Rubin in 2011,

0:10:37 > 0:10:40they had no idea it would prove such a tough nut to crack.

0:10:42 > 0:10:45It can be very frustrating when a new case comes out

0:10:45 > 0:10:47and there's very little information.

0:10:47 > 0:10:49So, sometimes, if we can't make a breakthrough,

0:10:49 > 0:10:52the very best we can do is just hope for something to come through

0:10:52 > 0:10:53maybe later on.

0:11:01 > 0:11:05Jacqueline Rubin died a widow in 2008.

0:11:05 > 0:11:08Very little is known about her life,

0:11:08 > 0:11:10other than that she grew up in north-west London,

0:11:10 > 0:11:12where she worked as a dressmaker.

0:11:12 > 0:11:14Jacqueline didn't make a will,

0:11:14 > 0:11:19so her £31,000 estate was first advertised as unclaimed in 2009.

0:11:21 > 0:11:25But three years later, no potential heirs have come forward

0:11:25 > 0:11:28and Hector Birchwood thought it was worth a closer look.

0:11:29 > 0:11:31I noticed that Rubin was a Jewish name,

0:11:31 > 0:11:34and we have our own in-house Jewish specialist,

0:11:34 > 0:11:36and so I decided to send it to him.

0:11:40 > 0:11:43We trace the next of kin of people who have died intestate.

0:11:43 > 0:11:46That specialist was case manager Saul Marks.

0:11:48 > 0:11:50As with most cases,

0:11:50 > 0:11:53Saul began with trying to establish some basic facts,

0:11:53 > 0:11:56and it was immediately clear he was facing an uphill struggle.

0:11:59 > 0:12:05In this case, we could find no birth or marriage listing for Jacqueline,

0:12:05 > 0:12:08so we didn't know whether Rubin was her maiden name, or whether she

0:12:08 > 0:12:11was married and it was her married name.

0:12:11 > 0:12:14So straight away, the whole thing stalled.

0:12:14 > 0:12:18Saul was beginning to understand why the case had been unclaimed,

0:12:18 > 0:12:20but although he put it to one side,

0:12:20 > 0:12:23he was determined not to be beaten by it.

0:12:23 > 0:12:25Sometimes when the research on a case is stalled,

0:12:25 > 0:12:29you've got to really hope that there's a piece of information

0:12:29 > 0:12:33which comes to light which allows you to move forward again,

0:12:33 > 0:12:35and this can be a whole variety of things,

0:12:35 > 0:12:38but sometimes you're just looking for one big breakthrough.

0:12:41 > 0:12:42And over two years later,

0:12:42 > 0:12:47the breakthrough Saul desperately needed finally arrived.

0:12:47 > 0:12:51When the Treasury Solicitor's Department actually reformatted

0:12:51 > 0:12:54the way that they publicise unclaimed estates,

0:12:54 > 0:12:58for Jacqueline's estate they included a maiden name of de Good.

0:12:58 > 0:13:02So suddenly we now knew that Rubin was her married name,

0:13:02 > 0:13:04and de Good was her maiden name,

0:13:04 > 0:13:07and we could get on with working the case at last.

0:13:07 > 0:13:10For Saul, the race was now on.

0:13:11 > 0:13:14We could then look for a marriage certificate

0:13:14 > 0:13:16for a de Good to a Rubin

0:13:16 > 0:13:18and there was only one.

0:13:18 > 0:13:22It's actually Simon Rubin marrying Jacoba de Good.

0:13:22 > 0:13:25Now, Jacoba and Jacqueline are obviously different names,

0:13:25 > 0:13:28but her age on the marriage certificate

0:13:28 > 0:13:32ties in with the age that we believe Jacqueline would be.

0:13:32 > 0:13:33So this had to be her.

0:13:35 > 0:13:37With no time to waste,

0:13:37 > 0:13:40Saul began searching for the next of kin

0:13:40 > 0:13:43and he very quickly found exactly what he was looking for.

0:13:45 > 0:13:47They had a son, named Bernard Leon Rubin,

0:13:47 > 0:13:50on 12th July 1929.

0:13:50 > 0:13:52The parents' names match up and that's fine.

0:13:52 > 0:13:56However, Saul's excitement was short-lived.

0:13:56 > 0:13:58So the next task was to try and find Bernard.

0:13:58 > 0:14:01Problem was we just couldn't find him.

0:14:01 > 0:14:03He just vanishes off the face of the Earth.

0:14:03 > 0:14:08Jacqueline's son Bernard could be the sole heir to her estate,

0:14:08 > 0:14:10but the major problem was Saul didn't know

0:14:10 > 0:14:12whether he was dead or alive.

0:14:12 > 0:14:16So it's very important to try and find the closest kin,

0:14:16 > 0:14:18but that's not always very easy.

0:14:18 > 0:14:21It's actually quite difficult at times to prove

0:14:21 > 0:14:24that someone did or didn't have very close kin.

0:14:27 > 0:14:29Unable to trace son Bernard,

0:14:29 > 0:14:32Saul had to decide whether he should take a risk and search for

0:14:32 > 0:14:35potential heirs in the wider family.

0:14:35 > 0:14:37The problem is...

0:14:37 > 0:14:42you might commit a lot of time and resources to tracing the cousins

0:14:42 > 0:14:44and finding all these potential heirs -

0:14:44 > 0:14:47we're still left with this mystery of what happened

0:14:47 > 0:14:49to Jacqueline's son, Bernard.

0:14:49 > 0:14:51If we could find him, he would inherit

0:14:51 > 0:14:53and none of the cousins would.

0:14:53 > 0:14:56Saul and the team decided to take the risk

0:14:56 > 0:14:59and began his search for Jacqueline's relatives.

0:14:59 > 0:15:01OK, thanks very much. Bye.

0:15:04 > 0:15:06He suspected Jacqueline's maiden name, Jacoba,

0:15:06 > 0:15:08may originate from Holland.

0:15:10 > 0:15:12In yet another twist to this case,

0:15:12 > 0:15:16Saul's search for heirs had now gone overseas.

0:15:16 > 0:15:19The firm's Dutch agents started building a family tree,

0:15:19 > 0:15:22and they soon discovered some crucial information.

0:15:24 > 0:15:27The name was actually Hijman and it did come from Holland.

0:15:27 > 0:15:31We'd established that Jacqueline's only sister hadn't had any children,

0:15:31 > 0:15:33so there were no nieces and nephews.

0:15:33 > 0:15:38The Dutch agent now started looking for Jacqueline's extended family

0:15:38 > 0:15:39on the paternal side,

0:15:39 > 0:15:41and established she had six aunts and uncles

0:15:41 > 0:15:44that were living in Amsterdam in the early 1940s.

0:15:46 > 0:15:48But nothing could prepare Saul for what the Dutch agent

0:15:48 > 0:15:50was about to discover.

0:15:52 > 0:15:56Sometimes you can find that a family has been affected

0:15:56 > 0:15:59by tragic chapters in world history.

0:16:09 > 0:16:12At the start of the Second World War,

0:16:12 > 0:16:15there were over 140,000 Jewish people living in Holland.

0:16:19 > 0:16:22But as Hitler's troops swept across Europe,

0:16:22 > 0:16:27the lives of these Dutch Jews were about to be placed in peril.

0:16:27 > 0:16:30After only five days, the Netherlands surrendered,

0:16:30 > 0:16:35the royal family fled to the UK and Amsterdam was occupied

0:16:35 > 0:16:37by German forces.

0:16:40 > 0:16:44In 1941, Hitler ordered all Jewish people in Holland

0:16:44 > 0:16:47to declare themselves and the segregation began.

0:16:50 > 0:16:53A number of measures was put in place to discriminate

0:16:53 > 0:16:55against the Jews.

0:16:55 > 0:16:57Jewish officials were dismissed from their jobs,

0:16:57 > 0:17:01forced labour measures were put in place

0:17:01 > 0:17:05and Jews were being arrested and interned.

0:17:07 > 0:17:09Many tried to flee the country.

0:17:09 > 0:17:11Others made attempts to hide.

0:17:13 > 0:17:17Martin Stern was a young Jewish boy living in Amsterdam.

0:17:18 > 0:17:21One day, my father disappeared and my mother

0:17:21 > 0:17:23wouldn't tell me where he was.

0:17:25 > 0:17:29And still at the age of three, not long afterwards,

0:17:29 > 0:17:31my mother stopped me from playing with children in the street.

0:17:31 > 0:17:35It was too dangerous for people to know that there was a little boy,

0:17:35 > 0:17:37the son of a Jew, living in that flat.

0:17:43 > 0:17:47By 1942, the deportation of Jewish people had begun.

0:17:51 > 0:17:54Martin and his youngest sister were taken to Westerbork,

0:17:54 > 0:17:57a Dutch transit camp in north-west Holland.

0:17:59 > 0:18:02Creosoted wooden huts, barbed wire,

0:18:02 > 0:18:06watchtowers and the first thing I remember being told

0:18:06 > 0:18:09is, "Don't go anywhere near that barbed wire -

0:18:10 > 0:18:14"the soldiers in those watchtowers have got guns

0:18:14 > 0:18:16"and they will shoot you dead."

0:18:23 > 0:18:26The rest of the camp was disgustingly crowded,

0:18:26 > 0:18:29which meant people were fighting each other over space.

0:18:33 > 0:18:36And the food consisted of vegetables

0:18:36 > 0:18:38that a normal person would throw in the bin.

0:18:43 > 0:18:47Over 100,000 Dutch Jews passed through Westerbork,

0:18:47 > 0:18:49where they were destined for extermination camps

0:18:49 > 0:18:50in Poland and Germany.

0:18:53 > 0:18:56When they were full, the trucks were full,

0:18:56 > 0:19:01the doors were shut and sealed with steel wire.

0:19:02 > 0:19:05And even in my ignorance at the age of five,

0:19:05 > 0:19:09I knew that wasn't normal for a railway journey.

0:19:12 > 0:19:14I realised what was happening.

0:19:17 > 0:19:20Martin and his youngest sister's names were never called.

0:19:20 > 0:19:23They were amongst the few that survived.

0:19:26 > 0:19:28Saul tragically discovered

0:19:28 > 0:19:32that 31 members of Jacqueline Rubin's family were not so lucky.

0:19:34 > 0:19:38The case of the Rubin family appears to be extreme,

0:19:38 > 0:19:43with 31 members of one family being murdered during the Holocaust.

0:19:48 > 0:19:52The discovery of such horrific news now meant that once again,

0:19:52 > 0:19:55Saul's search for Jacqueline's heirs was thrown into jeopardy.

0:19:57 > 0:20:00Looking at the almost total decimation of this family

0:20:00 > 0:20:05in the Holocaust in Holland, it really made us wonder, well,

0:20:05 > 0:20:09maybe the maternal side suffered a similar fate.

0:20:09 > 0:20:12If the elusive son Bernard cannot be found,

0:20:12 > 0:20:14the big question now for Saul and the team

0:20:14 > 0:20:16was were there going to be any heirs?

0:20:22 > 0:20:23Every year in Britain,

0:20:23 > 0:20:26thousands of people get a surprise knock on the door

0:20:26 > 0:20:28from the Heir Hunters.

0:20:28 > 0:20:31That's good news for you. You can order the Ferrari.

0:20:31 > 0:20:33Well, hang on a minute, we haven't found the will yet!

0:20:35 > 0:20:38As well as handing over life-changing sums of money,

0:20:38 > 0:20:41the Heir Hunters can bring long-lost relatives back together.

0:20:42 > 0:20:46I'm so lucky because I've met up with all of you!

0:20:49 > 0:20:52But thousands of estates have eluded the Heir Hunters

0:20:52 > 0:20:54and remain unsolved.

0:20:55 > 0:20:58Today, we've got details of two estates yet to be claimed.

0:20:58 > 0:21:01Could you be the person the Heir Hunters are looking for,

0:21:01 > 0:21:03or know someone that is?

0:21:04 > 0:21:07The first case is James Finnegan Noone,

0:21:07 > 0:21:11who was born on 4th October 1929 in southern Ireland.

0:21:14 > 0:21:19And died on 22nd September 1990 in Bromley in Kent.

0:21:21 > 0:21:24James died a bachelor but it is believed

0:21:24 > 0:21:27he may have had several siblings in Ireland.

0:21:27 > 0:21:30Is there a chance you could be related or know someone that is?

0:21:32 > 0:21:35The next case is of Winifred Flude,

0:21:35 > 0:21:39who was born Winifred Clarke on 14th July 1899

0:21:39 > 0:21:42in Irchester in Northamptonshire.

0:21:44 > 0:21:49And died on 7th May 1988 in Wellingborough.

0:21:50 > 0:21:54She was the wife of George Flude and also had a brother, Reggie Clarke,

0:21:54 > 0:21:56who died in Tunbridge Wells in 1987.

0:21:59 > 0:22:01Do you know a Flude or a Clarke?

0:22:02 > 0:22:06If so, you could be in line for a surprise windfall.

0:22:15 > 0:22:18I'm calling from a company in London.

0:22:18 > 0:22:20Heir Hunters at firm Fraser & Fraser

0:22:20 > 0:22:22had taken on the case of David Brown,

0:22:22 > 0:22:26who had died in the Scottish town of Pittenweem in 2014.

0:22:28 > 0:22:30Need to be in Pittenweem at about 11 o'clock.

0:22:30 > 0:22:32Having initially thought there were no heirs,

0:22:32 > 0:22:35the search for living relatives had now snowballed.

0:22:37 > 0:22:39The size of this family, it grew and grew

0:22:39 > 0:22:43and the more I researched, the more I realised how big this family was.

0:22:43 > 0:22:47Scottish law had allowed the team to go back an extra generation

0:22:47 > 0:22:49to look for second cousins,

0:22:49 > 0:22:51sending the team's workload through the roof.

0:22:53 > 0:22:55But if they didn't find any heirs,

0:22:55 > 0:22:58all the time and money spent on this case would be for nothing.

0:23:00 > 0:23:02It means constant pressure on us,

0:23:02 > 0:23:06not just to find the beneficiaries but find them as quickly

0:23:06 > 0:23:08and as efficiently as possible.

0:23:08 > 0:23:11We knew there weren't going to be any surviving second cousins,

0:23:11 > 0:23:14so it was going to be in the class of their descendants.

0:23:14 > 0:23:16Karen and the team in London

0:23:16 > 0:23:19faced one of the biggest challenges in the firm's history

0:23:19 > 0:23:23as they now had 26 stems of David's great aunts and uncles

0:23:23 > 0:23:26to investigate across four family trees.

0:23:27 > 0:23:30It's research that could take years to complete.

0:23:33 > 0:23:35But the size of the families wasn't the only challenge

0:23:35 > 0:23:37Karen had to overcome.

0:23:39 > 0:23:44The deceased David Brown was an engineer, as was his father.

0:23:44 > 0:23:46His father was also David Brown

0:23:46 > 0:23:49and his paternal grandfather was David Brown.

0:23:49 > 0:23:53Some of the unique traits we find with Scottish research

0:23:53 > 0:23:57is how a name can be passed down through generations.

0:23:57 > 0:23:59We often find one, two, three,

0:23:59 > 0:24:03sometimes four generations of people, all with identical names.

0:24:03 > 0:24:06And it wasn't just names David and his ancestors shared.

0:24:08 > 0:24:11His paternal grandfather, David Brown, was a fisherman

0:24:11 > 0:24:15in the town of Cellardyke and from there,

0:24:15 > 0:24:18when we did all that research into that part of the family,

0:24:18 > 0:24:21the Browns were almost entirely involved in the fishing industry.

0:24:23 > 0:24:27Pittenweem Harbour, where the deceased David grew up,

0:24:27 > 0:24:29is still one of the most active fishing ports

0:24:29 > 0:24:32on the east coast of Fife in Scotland.

0:24:35 > 0:24:39It was first recorded as a fishing port in 1228

0:24:39 > 0:24:42but it wasn't until the latter part of the 19th century

0:24:42 > 0:24:44that the fishing industry hit its peak,

0:24:44 > 0:24:48as the world's appetite for Scottish herring was at an all-time high.

0:24:51 > 0:24:54Well, this boat would have been seasonally involved

0:24:54 > 0:24:56in the herring fishing.

0:24:56 > 0:25:00She would have had a crew of eight men and a boy on board at that time.

0:25:01 > 0:25:04David Brown's grandfather would have worked on a similar boat

0:25:04 > 0:25:07to this one, which is over 100 years old.

0:25:09 > 0:25:11It's a year-round industry,

0:25:11 > 0:25:13particularly for people in this kind of community.

0:25:13 > 0:25:20Undoubtedly a tough life and a hard life and a dangerous one.

0:25:22 > 0:25:26But in the early 20th century, the herring industry was in decline,

0:25:26 > 0:25:29so many local men forged more stable careers

0:25:29 > 0:25:32outside of the traditional family trade,

0:25:32 > 0:25:35including David Brown's father, who became an engineer.

0:25:38 > 0:25:40If you had a son, you would be wanting your son

0:25:40 > 0:25:42to have a better life

0:25:42 > 0:25:44and they wouldn't want him to be involved with the fishing.

0:25:46 > 0:25:49The younger David Brown distanced himself even further

0:25:49 > 0:25:52from the family trade, opting for a career in sales.

0:25:53 > 0:25:57I don't think there would have been any difficulty about, you know,

0:25:57 > 0:26:00disloyalty to the industry, as it were, by opting out.

0:26:10 > 0:26:12But it was David's fisherman grandfather

0:26:12 > 0:26:14that was about to give the team a breakthrough.

0:26:15 > 0:26:18We found that on the paternal grandfather's family,

0:26:18 > 0:26:23there were only two lines that required our research

0:26:23 > 0:26:28and on one of those lines, we came down to James Barclay.

0:26:28 > 0:26:30But the burning question was,

0:26:30 > 0:26:34had Karen finally uncovered one of David Brown's heirs?

0:26:34 > 0:26:37He is a second cousin to the deceased, three times removed.

0:26:42 > 0:26:46Karen wasted no time contacting James, who's known as Jim,

0:26:46 > 0:26:47to break the news.

0:26:49 > 0:26:51I didn't recognise the name.

0:26:51 > 0:26:55It didn't really mean anything to me until I started digging

0:26:55 > 0:26:59in my father's old albums and suchlike

0:26:59 > 0:27:01and I saw there was a great...

0:27:01 > 0:27:03his great grandfather was a David Brown.

0:27:05 > 0:27:08Jim lived in Pittenweem, the same village as David Brown,

0:27:08 > 0:27:10until he was ten years old.

0:27:12 > 0:27:15Despite his family only moving to a neighbouring village

0:27:15 > 0:27:1724 miles further up the coast,

0:27:17 > 0:27:21he has no recollection of any contact with the Brown family.

0:27:23 > 0:27:27My grandmother was Maggie Reid

0:27:27 > 0:27:33and that's my granny at seven years old in 1896

0:27:33 > 0:27:37and she was the offspring of a marriage between Adam Reid

0:27:37 > 0:27:40and Elizabeth Brown and that's where the connection

0:27:40 > 0:27:44with the Brown family comes in, a couple of generations ago.

0:27:45 > 0:27:48So, that's why we're sitting here today.

0:27:50 > 0:27:52Since researching his family history...

0:27:52 > 0:27:58I've got quite a few photographs on the walls through my hidey-hole.

0:27:58 > 0:28:00..Jim's discovered his grandparents

0:28:00 > 0:28:03were also from a family of fishermen.

0:28:03 > 0:28:09The Reids were long-time fishermen, going back to the 1700s.

0:28:09 > 0:28:11This was Adam Reid's boat.

0:28:11 > 0:28:15That's his son's boat, the younger Adam Reid.

0:28:19 > 0:28:24Back in London, the search for other beneficiaries was gathering pace

0:28:24 > 0:28:25and it was becoming clear

0:28:25 > 0:28:29Jim wasn't going to be the only heir in this case.

0:28:29 > 0:28:35Our first beneficiary is here and if we open up the family tree,

0:28:35 > 0:28:37it'll eventually lead to our last beneficiary.

0:28:39 > 0:28:41This is actually really difficult.

0:28:41 > 0:28:45We've already exceeded the desk and I'd say I'm a third,

0:28:45 > 0:28:48a third through the first family.

0:28:48 > 0:28:51I knew that I was going to be looking at four family trees

0:28:51 > 0:28:52because he had no cousins

0:28:52 > 0:28:55but I just didn't anticipate how big this case was going to be.

0:28:57 > 0:29:02At the house, Karen has invited heir and keen family historian Jim

0:29:02 > 0:29:04over to have a look through some of David's heirlooms

0:29:04 > 0:29:06in case they're relevant to the search.

0:29:08 > 0:29:10Come on in.

0:29:11 > 0:29:15So, here it is. I guess this was the more, the more casual front room.

0:29:15 > 0:29:17That'll take me back a bit.

0:29:17 > 0:29:19This just takes you straight through to the kitchen.

0:29:19 > 0:29:21I guess it's a scullery, isn't it?

0:29:21 > 0:29:23Just so funny to think of Mr Brown living here,

0:29:23 > 0:29:25right up till he passed away two years ago!

0:29:27 > 0:29:32Upstairs, there's one particular item Karen wants Jim to see,

0:29:32 > 0:29:35a family record book known as a family Bible.

0:29:38 > 0:29:44Parents' names, David Brown, born November 28th, 1828.

0:29:44 > 0:29:48- And that's his wife.- That's David Brown's grandfather then, that's...

0:29:48 > 0:29:50I would think so. Yes, that's his grandfather, isn't it?

0:29:50 > 0:29:54People used books like this to keep a record of family births,

0:29:54 > 0:29:55deaths and marriages.

0:29:56 > 0:29:59John Brown, drowned at sea April 8th, 1890.

0:29:59 > 0:30:02- Drowned at sea, is that what it says?- Yes.

0:30:02 > 0:30:05Family Bibles were quite the...quite a thing.

0:30:05 > 0:30:07It's a really good record, isn't it?

0:30:07 > 0:30:10It's a great way to keep in touch, especially in a bigger family.

0:30:10 > 0:30:11Certainly interesting.

0:30:11 > 0:30:16There's nothing in the record book that changes Karen's research.

0:30:16 > 0:30:19But for Jim, it's been an enlightening afternoon.

0:30:19 > 0:30:21It's intriguing to see an old house like that,

0:30:21 > 0:30:25just with hardly any changes from the year dot,

0:30:25 > 0:30:28you know, it's all very interesting.

0:30:30 > 0:30:33Karen has just one more piece of business at the house.

0:30:36 > 0:30:38Hi, is it Eric?

0:30:38 > 0:30:40- How are you doing? - How are you doing? I'm Karen.

0:30:40 > 0:30:42- Hi, nice to meet you. - Great to see you.

0:30:42 > 0:30:44- I'm really glad you could come down today.- You're welcome.

0:30:44 > 0:30:47She's invited antique clock expert Eric Young round

0:30:47 > 0:30:50to value the two grandfather clocks that belonged to David.

0:30:54 > 0:30:57This clock was made by George Lumsden from Pittenweem.

0:30:59 > 0:31:03David's property is estimated to be worth £150,000

0:31:03 > 0:31:05and the clocks could add value to his estate.

0:31:07 > 0:31:11And I'm dying to ask you, how much do you think these clocks are worth?

0:31:11 > 0:31:13Each clock would need to be

0:31:13 > 0:31:15given a value of £5,000.

0:31:15 > 0:31:19- £5,000?- Yes, £5,000 without question.- For each clock?

0:31:19 > 0:31:23For each clock, they are absolutely incredible examples

0:31:23 > 0:31:25- of East Neuk clock-making.- Wow!

0:31:25 > 0:31:28That is amazing, that really is amazing.

0:31:28 > 0:31:30Thanks so much, Eric. Take care, bye-bye.

0:31:30 > 0:31:33The clocks are a welcome addition to the estate.

0:31:33 > 0:31:37For the team in the office, their research is finally complete.

0:31:37 > 0:31:42In total, they found an incredible 192 heirs.

0:31:42 > 0:31:46The majority of the heirs are entitled to a 123rd of this estate

0:31:46 > 0:31:49but there are beneficiaries that are more distantly related

0:31:49 > 0:31:54and they're going to receive a 738th of the estate.

0:31:54 > 0:31:58So, although they're not going to receive any life-changing amounts,

0:31:58 > 0:32:00you know, it's where the money should go.

0:32:02 > 0:32:05After two and a half years of hard work,

0:32:05 > 0:32:08Karen and the team in London are now tying up the loose ends.

0:32:10 > 0:32:12Having uncovered a forgotten family's history,

0:32:12 > 0:32:15as well as 192 heirs,

0:32:15 > 0:32:18it's been nothing short of an incredible journey.

0:32:20 > 0:32:23In this case, I really do think it's going to pay off for the company

0:32:23 > 0:32:27but even if it doesn't, it's been a massive learning curve for me

0:32:27 > 0:32:28as a professional.

0:32:28 > 0:32:32I've really, really enjoyed working on David Brown's history.

0:32:32 > 0:32:34It's just been so fascinating.

0:32:39 > 0:32:42What we'd like to do, we send you a form

0:32:42 > 0:32:45to allow us to put your claim forward to the estate.

0:32:45 > 0:32:49Heir Hunters at Celtic Research have been looking for beneficiaries

0:32:49 > 0:32:51to the estate of Jacqueline Rubin,

0:32:51 > 0:32:55a Jewish lady who died a widow in London in 2008,

0:32:55 > 0:32:59leaving behind an estate worth £31,000.

0:32:59 > 0:33:01The parents' names match up and that's fine.

0:33:01 > 0:33:05Saul managed to track down Jacqueline's family in Holland,

0:33:05 > 0:33:08only to find they had been decimated during the Holocaust.

0:33:10 > 0:33:14Which now raised the serious question, were there any heirs?

0:33:16 > 0:33:18Jacqueline did have a son, Bernard,

0:33:18 > 0:33:21but tracking him down was proving near impossible.

0:33:22 > 0:33:25We just couldn't find him anywhere

0:33:25 > 0:33:29but we had to find him or eliminate him somehow.

0:33:30 > 0:33:33With Saul's search for Bernard at a standstill,

0:33:33 > 0:33:37the firm's Dutch agent began to investigate the maternal side

0:33:37 > 0:33:38of Jacqueline's family,

0:33:38 > 0:33:41to see if any of them had survived the Holocaust.

0:33:42 > 0:33:44There were some problems with this because

0:33:44 > 0:33:48Jacqueline's parents actually kept moving between London and Amsterdam

0:33:48 > 0:33:51and they went back and forth quite a few times.

0:33:51 > 0:33:55The Dutch agent had their work cut out tracking the family's movements

0:33:55 > 0:33:57but when they finally pieced it all together,

0:33:57 > 0:33:59Saul was in for a huge surprise.

0:34:02 > 0:34:06Miraculously, there was one branch that survived.

0:34:06 > 0:34:09Thankfully, they had actually left Holland

0:34:09 > 0:34:14and were away from Holland at the time of the Nazi invasion.

0:34:14 > 0:34:18The first time in this case, Saul had a positive lead.

0:34:19 > 0:34:22Jacqueline's mother was Esther Glasoog.

0:34:22 > 0:34:23She had a number of brothers.

0:34:23 > 0:34:26Her youngest brother was Samuel Glasoog.

0:34:26 > 0:34:29He came to this country and he became known as Samuel Glass.

0:34:31 > 0:34:36Jacqueline's uncle, Samuel Glass, married Frances Davis in July 1908

0:34:36 > 0:34:37and they had two children.

0:34:39 > 0:34:42One of those children, Rebecca Baldock, stayed in London

0:34:42 > 0:34:45and had three children of her own and seven grandchildren.

0:34:49 > 0:34:54Saul was on the cusp of finding his first potential heirs.

0:34:54 > 0:34:57With the elusive son Bernard, who would be sole heir if alive,

0:34:57 > 0:34:59still unaccounted for,

0:34:59 > 0:35:02Saul began trying to make contact with the people he'd found.

0:35:06 > 0:35:09One of them was Samuel's great-granddaughter, Barbara,

0:35:09 > 0:35:12whose mum Phyllis could be an heir.

0:35:12 > 0:35:15Do you remember when I got the phone call from Saul?

0:35:15 > 0:35:18Oh, yes, we were amazed, weren't we? We thought it was all a joke.

0:35:19 > 0:35:23Seven years after Jacqueline Rubin's estate had been advertised,

0:35:23 > 0:35:25Saul had found a potential heir.

0:35:27 > 0:35:29Yeah, it was quite exciting.

0:35:29 > 0:35:32But we weren't told how much it was at that time.

0:35:32 > 0:35:36It just so happened Barbara was a keen amateur genealogist

0:35:36 > 0:35:39who'd spent 15 years looking into her own family trees.

0:35:42 > 0:35:47This is him outside a tailor shop which he opened in New Zealand.

0:35:47 > 0:35:49And she was particularly interested

0:35:49 > 0:35:52in her great-grandfather, Samuel Glass.

0:35:52 > 0:35:57This is a picture of Samuel in a boxing pose.

0:35:57 > 0:36:00Samuel was born in Holland and moved to London

0:36:00 > 0:36:02when he was just a year old.

0:36:02 > 0:36:05By the age of 16, he'd joined a boxing school,

0:36:05 > 0:36:07and within a couple of years,

0:36:07 > 0:36:08he'd forged a reputation

0:36:08 > 0:36:12as one of London's most feared bare-knuckle boxers.

0:36:12 > 0:36:15He boxed under the name of The Professor.

0:36:15 > 0:36:18He became welterweight champion, which is very interesting -

0:36:18 > 0:36:19he only had one eye,

0:36:20 > 0:36:25which was the result of an accident with a nail when he was a child,

0:36:25 > 0:36:27but he kept that secret.

0:36:32 > 0:36:35In the late 1800s and early 1900s,

0:36:35 > 0:36:39bare-knuckle boxing was still at the height of its popularity,

0:36:39 > 0:36:43with some bouts in London drawing crowds in their thousands.

0:36:43 > 0:36:45And not just from the working classes.

0:36:46 > 0:36:51Fighters in those days were owned by noblemen.

0:36:51 > 0:36:53So, you having a boxer,

0:36:53 > 0:36:57that was bragging rights, that you had the best fighter in your stable.

0:36:59 > 0:37:02So, you'd want to take him around, "Look, I've got the champion,

0:37:02 > 0:37:05"I've got the British bare-knuckle champion. He's my...

0:37:05 > 0:37:07"This is my guy!"

0:37:07 > 0:37:10And all dressed up to the nines to go and watch bare-knuckle fights.

0:37:12 > 0:37:16In the early 1900s, when Samuel was at the peak of his career,

0:37:16 > 0:37:20the longest recorded fight had lasted over six hours.

0:37:22 > 0:37:24So, it wasn't for the faint-hearted.

0:37:24 > 0:37:27You had to be a pretty tough individual to be involved

0:37:27 > 0:37:29in bare-knuckle fighting back then.

0:37:29 > 0:37:32You have to remember there were no paramedics.

0:37:32 > 0:37:34You were on your own.

0:37:34 > 0:37:38You were like, you would have to go fight...to the death.

0:37:41 > 0:37:43Samuel wasn't just a successful fighter.

0:37:43 > 0:37:46He was a huge influence on the sport.

0:37:47 > 0:37:51He was responsible for taking boxing to the Netherlands.

0:37:51 > 0:37:54After that, he was very active in the boxing world

0:37:54 > 0:37:59and he was a coach to the boxing team that went to Berlin.

0:38:00 > 0:38:05Remarkably, Samuel only lost two fights during his boxing career,

0:38:05 > 0:38:07and finally retired at age 40.

0:38:14 > 0:38:16But it was what Samuel did outside of the ring

0:38:16 > 0:38:18that would have an impact on the heir hunt.

0:38:20 > 0:38:25Samuel married here in London in 1908 and had two children.

0:38:25 > 0:38:28He then left and returned to Amsterdam

0:38:28 > 0:38:33and married again in 1911 - that's only three years later -

0:38:33 > 0:38:36to another lady and had two further children.

0:38:36 > 0:38:39Samuel's second marriage to a female boxer

0:38:39 > 0:38:42was something of a family scandal.

0:38:42 > 0:38:46He wasn't actually divorced from my great-grandmother,

0:38:46 > 0:38:49so it was a bigamous marriage.

0:38:49 > 0:38:53And they had two daughters together.

0:38:53 > 0:38:55It was mind-blowing, actually.

0:38:57 > 0:39:00Sometimes in our research, we come across instances of bigamy,

0:39:00 > 0:39:02where a person has married a second time,

0:39:02 > 0:39:05having not been widowed or divorced from their first spouse.

0:39:05 > 0:39:08Whilst that can cause all sorts of

0:39:08 > 0:39:10social and psychological complications

0:39:10 > 0:39:15for the families involved, from a genealogical research point of view,

0:39:15 > 0:39:17it doesn't actually have that much effect

0:39:17 > 0:39:19because the descendants of both those marriages

0:39:19 > 0:39:21would be entitled to inherit.

0:39:23 > 0:39:26The crucial thing for the whole family is that when Samuel

0:39:26 > 0:39:28left for Amsterdam, his first wife,

0:39:28 > 0:39:30Barbara's great-grandmother, stayed behind.

0:39:32 > 0:39:35If Gran had gone to Amsterdam with him,

0:39:35 > 0:39:39would she have been a survivor of the Holocaust?

0:39:39 > 0:39:40We don't know.

0:39:40 > 0:39:44Or would she have been able to get back to England

0:39:44 > 0:39:46before it all started?

0:39:47 > 0:39:51Saul's research into Jacqueline's wider family was complete,

0:39:51 > 0:39:54and he found a total of 18 potential heirs.

0:39:55 > 0:39:58But there was still one unanswered question

0:39:58 > 0:40:01that threatened to undo all of Saul's hard work.

0:40:01 > 0:40:04What had happened to Jacqueline's son, Bernard?

0:40:05 > 0:40:09Sometimes you might have done a lot of work to trace the cousins

0:40:09 > 0:40:11and not got any further towards finding out

0:40:11 > 0:40:15whether these cousins are actually entitled to inherit or not.

0:40:15 > 0:40:17But we just couldn't find him.

0:40:17 > 0:40:19There was no marriage listing for him,

0:40:19 > 0:40:21there was no death listing for him.

0:40:21 > 0:40:25He just vanishes and it was a real head-scratcher.

0:40:25 > 0:40:28But by looking through electoral records,

0:40:28 > 0:40:31Saul was about to make a surprising discovery.

0:40:32 > 0:40:34I found them living in Maida Vale.

0:40:34 > 0:40:37Jacqueline and Simon Rubin are listed there.

0:40:37 > 0:40:41But there's also a gentleman named Richard Camden.

0:40:41 > 0:40:44At this point, Saul didn't know quite how significant

0:40:44 > 0:40:46the name Richard Camden was.

0:40:46 > 0:40:51I looked at some more records and I came across this.

0:40:51 > 0:40:54This is a ship manifest

0:40:54 > 0:40:59for a ship leaving London in 1960

0:40:59 > 0:41:02and one of the passengers is Richard Camden.

0:41:03 > 0:41:08His exact date of birth was 12th July 1929.

0:41:08 > 0:41:09Where had I seen that before?

0:41:11 > 0:41:13Only on Bernard's birth certificate.

0:41:14 > 0:41:19We now had a serious theory that Richard Camden,

0:41:19 > 0:41:25born on 12th July 1929, was the same man as Bernard Leon Rubin.

0:41:27 > 0:41:30Saul set about searching American death records,

0:41:30 > 0:41:32looking for a Richard Camden.

0:41:34 > 0:41:35And he was in for a surprise.

0:41:38 > 0:41:43There was indeed a Richard Camden of the right date of birth

0:41:43 > 0:41:45who died in Los Angeles in 1992.

0:41:47 > 0:41:51It was another tragic twist in the tale of Jacqueline's family.

0:41:51 > 0:41:54And it meant Saul's research had come to an end.

0:41:56 > 0:41:58So, thanks to this death certificate,

0:41:58 > 0:42:02we've been able to prove definitively that all those cousins

0:42:02 > 0:42:05from all over the world are now unequivocally heirs

0:42:05 > 0:42:07to Jacqueline's estate,

0:42:07 > 0:42:09and all the research that we did to find them

0:42:09 > 0:42:11has not gone to waste after all.

0:42:11 > 0:42:14Phyllis, along with 17 other beneficiaries,

0:42:14 > 0:42:18is set to share Jacqueline's £31,000 estate.

0:42:19 > 0:42:22It turned out to be quite good, actually, you know,

0:42:22 > 0:42:24and we've learned a lot from it, haven't we?

0:42:26 > 0:42:30For Saul, it meant that eight years after the case was first advertised,

0:42:30 > 0:42:33the search for Jacqueline's heirs was finally over.

0:42:35 > 0:42:37There were a lot of problems and we had to put it aside

0:42:37 > 0:42:38and we came back to it,

0:42:38 > 0:42:41and the fact that we could then come back to it and solve it,

0:42:41 > 0:42:44and there are quite a number of heirs internationally...

0:42:44 > 0:42:47We've worked well with our Dutch partner on this.

0:42:47 > 0:42:50I'm really quite pleased with how the whole thing has worked out.

0:42:50 > 0:42:53The fact that my cousins

0:42:53 > 0:42:57are set to inherit some money,

0:42:57 > 0:43:00I think it's quite interesting.

0:43:00 > 0:43:04It's made me start delving again into my family history.

0:43:04 > 0:43:06I love it.