0:00:02 > 0:00:06Today, the Heir Hunters are searching for the beneficiaries
0:00:06 > 0:00:09to an estate worth £150,000.
0:00:09 > 0:00:12Somewhere out there are some long-lost relatives
0:00:12 > 0:00:14who have no idea they're in line for a windfall.
0:00:15 > 0:00:18Could the Heir Hunters be knocking at your door?
0:00:18 > 0:00:20'Hello?'
0:00:36 > 0:00:38On today's programme...
0:00:38 > 0:00:40It's not looking too good on that side now.
0:00:40 > 0:00:44Could the Heir Hunters' worst nightmare be about to come true?
0:00:45 > 0:00:47Reluctantly, this might be one
0:00:47 > 0:00:50that will go directly to the Government, I'm afraid.
0:00:51 > 0:00:55And the death of an independent-minded lady from Worthing
0:00:55 > 0:00:59breathes fresh life into one of the 20th century's most notorious scandals.
0:00:59 > 0:01:06I am convinced that he was set up at Clevedon with Christine Keeler.
0:01:06 > 0:01:09Plus, how you may be entitled
0:01:09 > 0:01:13to inherit an unclaimed estate held by the Treasury.
0:01:13 > 0:01:16Could thousands of pounds be heading your way?
0:01:24 > 0:01:26Every year in the UK,
0:01:26 > 0:01:30an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will.
0:01:30 > 0:01:33If no relatives are found,
0:01:33 > 0:01:35then any money that's left behind will go to the Government.
0:01:37 > 0:01:43Last year, they made £14 million from unclaimed estates.
0:01:43 > 0:01:46That's where the Heir Hunters come in.
0:01:46 > 0:01:49They make it their business to track down missing relatives
0:01:49 > 0:01:52and help them claim their rightful inheritance.
0:01:52 > 0:01:55Well, if we don't give the money to the rightful people,
0:01:55 > 0:01:57then it will end up with the Government.
0:02:06 > 0:02:08It's 7:00am in the morning
0:02:08 > 0:02:10at the offices of Heir Hunters, Fraser & Fraser,
0:02:10 > 0:02:12and the Treasury has just released
0:02:12 > 0:02:14its weekly list of unclaimed estates.
0:02:14 > 0:02:19If someone dies without leaving a will with no known next of kin
0:02:19 > 0:02:23and their estate is worth more than £5,000,
0:02:23 > 0:02:24then they will appear on this list.
0:02:25 > 0:02:29- Is that a definite date of birth there? - That's a date of birth, yes.- OK.
0:02:29 > 0:02:33There are a few cases that look to be worth quite a lot of money.
0:02:33 > 0:02:37But one in particular has caught boss Neil Fraser's eye.
0:02:38 > 0:02:41So the case we're going to be looking at is David Robin Granger.
0:02:41 > 0:02:46Dies on Boxing Day, 2010, in Northampton.
0:02:46 > 0:02:48Where it's going to go, I don't know.
0:02:48 > 0:02:49So fingers crossed.
0:02:55 > 0:03:01David Granger died aged 67 on the 26th of December, 2010.
0:03:01 > 0:03:05He left no will, and no photograph of him can be found.
0:03:05 > 0:03:09His friend, Steve Hawkins, knew him for 15 years,
0:03:09 > 0:03:11and remembers him as a one-off.
0:03:11 > 0:03:13He was an interesting man.
0:03:13 > 0:03:17Erm... A real perfectionist in everything he did.
0:03:18 > 0:03:20David lived in this house in Northampton
0:03:20 > 0:03:22right up until his death,
0:03:22 > 0:03:26his wife, Anne, having passed away a few years earlier.
0:03:26 > 0:03:29I mean, they were dedicated to one another, you know?
0:03:29 > 0:03:31Everything they did, they did together.
0:03:31 > 0:03:34Um... Between them, they were a real partnership,
0:03:34 > 0:03:38Dave was such a loyal person.
0:03:38 > 0:03:41He'd use the local butcher
0:03:41 > 0:03:44rather than go to the supermarket for his meat,
0:03:44 > 0:03:46because it was a traditional thing to do, you know?
0:03:46 > 0:03:49Erm... He'd have his milk delivered by the milkman,
0:03:49 > 0:03:55because that was the way he was, sort of, brought up, the way things were.
0:03:55 > 0:03:58Dave was old school.
0:03:58 > 0:04:02He was, er... There's not many left like Dave, he was an eccentric.
0:04:02 > 0:04:06Um... An old English gent, if you like.
0:04:11 > 0:04:13Back in the office,
0:04:13 > 0:04:17and the search to find David's heirs is already under way.
0:04:17 > 0:04:21Senior case manager, David Milchard, known round the office as Grimble,
0:04:21 > 0:04:24has been put in charge.
0:04:25 > 0:04:28It seems that David Granger owned his home in Northampton.
0:04:28 > 0:04:32As the average house in that area is worth about £150,000,
0:04:32 > 0:04:34the team are hoping that David's estate
0:04:34 > 0:04:37will be worth at least that much.
0:04:38 > 0:04:42The value of estates is really important to the Heir Hunters,
0:04:42 > 0:04:43because they work on commission,
0:04:43 > 0:04:45earning a percentage of the amount that's claimed
0:04:46 > 0:04:48by each heir they sign.
0:04:49 > 0:04:53But they can't earn any money unless they find some heirs.
0:04:53 > 0:04:55- 'Hello, Dave.'- Hi, David.
0:04:55 > 0:04:59So Grimble asks senior researcher on the road, Dave Hadley,
0:04:59 > 0:05:00to go over to the property
0:05:00 > 0:05:02to see what he can find out from the neighbours.
0:05:02 > 0:05:04I... That's where he lived, right.
0:05:04 > 0:05:06Yeah, it looks like he owned that property.
0:05:06 > 0:05:07OK?
0:05:07 > 0:05:09- FROM CAR:- All right, mate. Bye.
0:05:12 > 0:05:15Heir hunting relies heavily on research done in the office,
0:05:15 > 0:05:19but most investigations require some face-to-face enquiries.
0:05:19 > 0:05:23Senior researchers on the road are based all over the country,
0:05:23 > 0:05:25and it's their job to follow up any lead
0:05:25 > 0:05:30and make sure they get to the heirs ahead of the competition.
0:05:35 > 0:05:37I was just coming to make some enquiries
0:05:37 > 0:05:39about the gentleman that used to live in the house,
0:05:39 > 0:05:41did you know him at all?
0:05:41 > 0:05:42Yeah.
0:05:42 > 0:05:43It looks like Dave's in luck.
0:05:43 > 0:05:46He bumps into one of David's neighbours on the street.
0:05:46 > 0:05:48Was he ever married?
0:05:48 > 0:05:53- Yes, his wife died. - What was her name?- Anne.- Anne?- Yeah.
0:05:53 > 0:05:55OK. Did they have any children?
0:05:55 > 0:05:56No.
0:05:56 > 0:05:59And I never heard any mention of brothers or sisters.
0:05:59 > 0:06:02- Right.- Or for that matter, cousins. - Right.
0:06:02 > 0:06:05Dave goes to phone Grimble to update him.
0:06:05 > 0:06:08Yeah, they neighbour said he didn't think there was any siblings.
0:06:08 > 0:06:10'Yeah, OK.'
0:06:13 > 0:06:15But in the office,
0:06:15 > 0:06:17the team have managed to establish who David's parents were.
0:06:17 > 0:06:19- Jessie E Jones?- Yeah.- When is it?
0:06:19 > 0:06:23Marries Charles H Granger, Sep 30, Hammersmith.
0:06:23 > 0:06:25David's father was Charles Henry Granger,
0:06:25 > 0:06:29and his mother was Jessie Emily Jones.
0:06:29 > 0:06:33He was indeed an only child, and had no children of his own.
0:06:34 > 0:06:38- Dominic, do you want to look up Charles's, um...birth?- Yeah.
0:06:38 > 0:06:40That means the Heir Hunters will need to look further afield
0:06:40 > 0:06:43if they're going to find any beneficiaries.
0:06:43 > 0:06:46But under the inheritance laws of England and Wales,
0:06:46 > 0:06:50they can only go back as far as the deceased's grandparents,
0:06:50 > 0:06:54meaning anyone up to first cousins and their descendants can inherit.
0:06:54 > 0:06:59Grimble's first discovery relates to the maternal side of the family.
0:06:59 > 0:07:01- Lillian Maud.- Lillian Maud.
0:07:01 > 0:07:04Born in Chelsea.
0:07:04 > 0:07:06And Winifred is Winifred Cissie?
0:07:06 > 0:07:07After referring to the 1911 census,
0:07:07 > 0:07:12he has turned up two maternal aunts for David.
0:07:12 > 0:07:15Lillian Maud and Winifred Cissie.
0:07:15 > 0:07:17If either of these two had any children,
0:07:17 > 0:07:21they would be eligible to inherit from their cousin David.
0:07:22 > 0:07:25But almost as soon as these aunts have been found...
0:07:25 > 0:07:30- Died when?- Uh... December, 1918, Hammersmith, aged 26.
0:07:30 > 0:07:33..the team comes back with some bad news.
0:07:33 > 0:07:37And he appears to have found deaths for both of them, dying as spinsters.
0:07:37 > 0:07:38So...
0:07:38 > 0:07:41That's not looking too good on that side now.
0:07:42 > 0:07:46Since both of David's maternal aunts died childless,
0:07:46 > 0:07:49this side of the family can now be declared dead in the water.
0:07:49 > 0:07:52Which means that everything is riding on them finding heirs
0:07:52 > 0:07:54on David's father's side.
0:07:54 > 0:07:59Otherwise, the whole of this potential £150,000 estate
0:07:59 > 0:08:02will disappear into the Treasury's coffers.
0:08:03 > 0:08:06Researcher Gareth has been tasked with finding a birth certificate
0:08:06 > 0:08:10for David's father, Charles Granger. And he's feeling the pressure.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15We know he was born in 1905, or he's supposed to be born in 1905.
0:08:15 > 0:08:19We can't find a birth record for him and we can't find a census for him.
0:08:20 > 0:08:24And because we cant find these, we can't really move on. We're stuck.
0:08:24 > 0:08:29So we either need more information, or at the moment, a stroke of luck.
0:08:29 > 0:08:33Without the birth certificate, they can't find out
0:08:33 > 0:08:36the names of Charles's parents, who would be David's grandparents.
0:08:36 > 0:08:40And they need those to search for any of his uncles and aunts.
0:08:42 > 0:08:45But over on the other side of the office, case manager Simon
0:08:45 > 0:08:49has been thinking outside the box and has come up with the goods.
0:08:49 > 0:08:54Well, born on 29 June. Which is the day. It's just 01, and not 05.
0:08:55 > 0:09:00We've found a birth that's Charles Henry, in London.
0:09:00 > 0:09:03Appears to have the right date of birth.
0:09:03 > 0:09:06It's just born in 1901, not 1905.
0:09:06 > 0:09:08So one of the many things that could have been wrong
0:09:08 > 0:09:11with our not finding the birth was the fact it was the wrong year of birth.
0:09:15 > 0:09:17According to Simon's online research,
0:09:17 > 0:09:22Charles was born on 29 June, 1901, in Holborn.
0:09:22 > 0:09:25His parents, Charles Granger, also known as Henry,
0:09:25 > 0:09:29and Martha Peek, were married in Marylebone in 1897.
0:09:30 > 0:09:36But despite Simon's breakthrough, this search still isn't getting off the ground.
0:09:36 > 0:09:37HE GROANS
0:09:37 > 0:09:42Well, we've now found the birth of the father of the deceased, Charles Henry.
0:09:44 > 0:09:48So we expect then at that point to, you know, be able to leap forward.
0:09:49 > 0:09:53Find the census, start working family.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56But in actual fact, we're stuck again on the census.
0:09:56 > 0:09:59Gareth's looked through all the Charles Grangers
0:09:59 > 0:10:01living in the Holborn area of London in 1911.
0:10:01 > 0:10:05But none of them have parents called Charles and Martha.
0:10:05 > 0:10:08But just then, a member of the team spots something
0:10:08 > 0:10:10and passes it over to Simon.
0:10:11 > 0:10:16It's a page from the 1911 census for a school in West London.
0:10:17 > 0:10:22It's a Charles Henry Granger, on age, as a scholar.
0:10:22 > 0:10:25Unfortunately, it tells you nothing else at all.
0:10:25 > 0:10:27So it could be our Charles H, or it couldn't be.
0:10:29 > 0:10:31If this young boy is David's father,
0:10:31 > 0:10:36then he was obviously away at school in 1911 when the census was taken,
0:10:36 > 0:10:39which explains why they can't find him with his family.
0:10:41 > 0:10:43Just then, out of the blue,
0:10:43 > 0:10:46another Granger child falls into their laps.
0:10:46 > 0:10:49This is pukka? It's pukka.
0:10:49 > 0:10:55Further scrutiny of that same school census entry has revealed a Frank William Granger.
0:10:55 > 0:10:58It seems likely that Frank is Charles's brother
0:10:58 > 0:11:01and both boys have been sent away to school.
0:11:01 > 0:11:05But there's no way of proving this, because there's no record of Frank's parents' names.
0:11:09 > 0:11:13This case is fast turning into an heir hunter's nightmare.
0:11:13 > 0:11:17If they can't prove that the deceased's father had any brothers or sisters,
0:11:17 > 0:11:21then there will be no entitled heirs on this side of the family either.
0:11:21 > 0:11:23Which can only mean one thing.
0:11:23 > 0:11:30Reluctantly, this might be one that will go directly to the government, I'm afraid.
0:11:30 > 0:11:32Which isn't too good.
0:11:32 > 0:11:37Grimble knows that his only chance is to prove that those two schoolboys are brothers.
0:11:37 > 0:11:40If he can do that, and trace Frank's descendants,
0:11:40 > 0:11:44then that £150,000 inheritance will end up where it should be,
0:11:44 > 0:11:46with David Granger's rightful heirs.
0:11:51 > 0:11:55Coming up - Gareth goes out on a limb...
0:11:55 > 0:12:00I'm wondering, have they just abandoned their first two children, Frank and Charles?
0:12:00 > 0:12:04..As the mystery of the missing schoolboys finally unravels.
0:12:05 > 0:12:08So much of it ties in. So much of it looks good. We are working it.
0:12:18 > 0:12:23Sometimes, heir hunts provide a fascinating link with our nation's history.
0:12:23 > 0:12:27Never was this more true than on the case of Constance Harrington,
0:12:27 > 0:12:32whose life had been entwined with some of the most tumultuous and scandalous events of our age.
0:12:33 > 0:12:38Constance died aged 87 on January 7, 2011.
0:12:40 > 0:12:42For the last few years before she died,
0:12:42 > 0:12:46Constance lived in this block of flats in Worthing, West Sussex.
0:12:46 > 0:12:49Her neighbours, David and Emma Walford, lived downstairs from her.
0:12:49 > 0:12:53Constance was definitely a good old-fashioned neighbour.
0:12:53 > 0:12:56She'd always be there to say hello to and you know, pick up your mail
0:12:56 > 0:13:00and your parcels if you weren't here. And just generally quite friendly.
0:13:02 > 0:13:05I would have said that Constance was very well presented.
0:13:05 > 0:13:08You could almost see maybe that she'd come from somewhere
0:13:08 > 0:13:11where she possibly had money before, possibly.
0:13:11 > 0:13:16Throughout the time they knew her, Constance never had any visitors to her flat,
0:13:16 > 0:13:18but she seemed to manage very well on her own.
0:13:20 > 0:13:23I think Constance was quite strong willed
0:13:23 > 0:13:26and I would have said she probably was quite feisty,
0:13:26 > 0:13:30because she just came across as being quite confident.
0:13:30 > 0:13:34She'd be there, you know, with five or six big carrier bags from Tesco's.
0:13:34 > 0:13:37I'd sort of say to her, you know, "Would you like me to help you?"
0:13:37 > 0:13:41"Oh no, no, I think I'll be fine. I can get up these flights of stairs!"
0:13:45 > 0:13:49Constance never made a will and shortly after she passed away,
0:13:49 > 0:13:55her case came to the attention of heir hunter, Dave Slee of Fraser & Fraser.
0:13:55 > 0:13:58We very quickly established that Constance had died,
0:13:58 > 0:14:01having owned her own property in Worthing.
0:14:01 > 0:14:04And therefore we knew that the estate would have some value.
0:14:05 > 0:14:10The estate of Constance Harrington was in fact valued at £130,000.
0:14:10 > 0:14:14But there was no sign of any immediate family who could be beneficiaries.
0:14:15 > 0:14:17The next step was to look for any brothers or sisters
0:14:17 > 0:14:22and for that, David needed to get hold of her birth certificate.
0:14:22 > 0:14:27It told him that Constance was born in 1922 in Bethnal Green in east London.
0:14:27 > 0:14:32And that her parents were Stephen Harrington and Ethel Mullings.
0:14:32 > 0:14:36So we undertook a search of birth records in England and Wales
0:14:36 > 0:14:40from 1919 up to 1922, when Constance was born.
0:14:40 > 0:14:45And then of course we went past that date for another 20 years
0:14:45 > 0:14:49and we were able to prove that Constance was in fact an only child.
0:14:52 > 0:14:55Constance grew up with her parents in Hackney
0:14:55 > 0:14:59and was educated at the local Coburn High School for girls.
0:14:59 > 0:15:01She must have done well at school, because after she left,
0:15:01 > 0:15:06she became a secretary to the managing directors of several large London firms.
0:15:06 > 0:15:09But all that was about to change.
0:15:12 > 0:15:17In 1939, the Second World War broke out and by 1943,
0:15:17 > 0:15:23Constance had enlisted in the Wrens, the Women's Royal Naval service.
0:15:23 > 0:15:26The Wrens play an absolutely key role in the Second World War.
0:15:26 > 0:15:30There are about 75,000 of them at the peak in 1944.
0:15:30 > 0:15:36There weren't enough male personnel to carry out all the administrative jobs required.
0:15:36 > 0:15:40And clearly, the best male personnel tended to be sent to sea.
0:15:40 > 0:15:43So what the Wrens allowed you to get was first class people,
0:15:43 > 0:15:46running the administration of the Royal Navy.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50Christian Lamb also served as a Wren during the war
0:15:50 > 0:15:55and remembers the excitement of being a part of the war effort.
0:15:55 > 0:15:56It was very difficult to get in,
0:15:56 > 0:15:59because lots and lots of people wanted to join.
0:16:00 > 0:16:03The girls came from absolutely any background.
0:16:03 > 0:16:05It was the war, you must remember this.
0:16:05 > 0:16:10And everybody felt desperate to help in any way they could.
0:16:10 > 0:16:13Wrens fulfilled every role, from drivers and cooks,
0:16:13 > 0:16:15to aircraft mechanics.
0:16:15 > 0:16:18But Constance's experiences as a high-level secretary
0:16:18 > 0:16:22meant that she was involved with the actual operational planning of the war.
0:16:22 > 0:16:26After a first posting to Combined Operations headquarters,
0:16:26 > 0:16:29Constance was sent to Norfolk House,
0:16:29 > 0:16:32where she worked directly for Lord Louis Mountbatten
0:16:32 > 0:16:35as the Allied expeditionary Force prepared for D-Day.
0:16:37 > 0:16:40We all knew, of course, that D-Day day was coming up.
0:16:40 > 0:16:43But we didn't talk about our own particular part in it.
0:16:43 > 0:16:45We were sworn to secrecy.
0:16:46 > 0:16:48You just knew that you were living history,
0:16:48 > 0:16:53in the sort of way that nobody could imagine that you ever would do
0:16:53 > 0:16:57as a girl of what, 25 or something.
0:16:57 > 0:16:59The most extraordinary situation.
0:17:01 > 0:17:04As a key member of the support staff, Constance was intimately involved
0:17:04 > 0:17:09in the creation of what's been called the greatest ever masterpiece of naval planning -
0:17:09 > 0:17:11Operation Neptune.
0:17:12 > 0:17:18On 6 June, 1944, 7,000 ships landed over 150,000 troops
0:17:18 > 0:17:23on the Normandy coast to begin the Allied invasion of France.
0:17:24 > 0:17:30The coast was divided into five sectors - Utah, Omaha, Gold, Sword, and Juno.
0:17:32 > 0:17:37Constance was assigned to Force J, whose destination was Juno Beach.
0:17:38 > 0:17:42It demonstrates the complexity of the planning required,
0:17:42 > 0:17:44that all these forces, with air support too,
0:17:44 > 0:17:47had to be brought in at the right time and in the right place.
0:17:47 > 0:17:51And there was, considering the difficulty of the operation, remarkably little confusion.
0:17:51 > 0:17:54And that was a tribute to Constance and the other planners.
0:17:54 > 0:17:58A few days after the successful completion of Operation Neptune,
0:17:58 > 0:18:01one of Constance's commanding officers wrote a letter
0:18:01 > 0:18:04recommending her for promotion to officer.
0:18:04 > 0:18:08His admiration for Wren Harrington and her work is very clear.
0:18:08 > 0:18:11'The success up to now of the small part of the operation
0:18:11 > 0:18:15'for which I have been responsible' - quite a large small part, actually -
0:18:15 > 0:18:19'is in no small measure due to her hard work and efficiency.'
0:18:19 > 0:18:22Clearly, a key role in a key operation.
0:18:24 > 0:18:29Back in the office and Dave Slee was engaged in a detailed operation of his own,
0:18:29 > 0:18:34tracking down the heirs to Constance's £130,000 estate.
0:18:34 > 0:18:36Having established that she was an only child,
0:18:36 > 0:18:41he now had to look for any uncles, aunts or cousins.
0:18:41 > 0:18:43Through online research,
0:18:43 > 0:18:48he discovered that her paternal grandparents were William Harrington and Elizabeth Hawksbee,
0:18:48 > 0:18:53who were married in Bethnal Green in 1870 and had seven children.
0:18:53 > 0:18:56Dave needed to know if any of these aunts and uncles
0:18:56 > 0:18:59had had children who would be Constance's cousins.
0:18:59 > 0:19:02So he set about tracing each and every one.
0:19:02 > 0:19:06We know that Constance had two paternal aunts,
0:19:06 > 0:19:09one named Florence and one named Beatrice.
0:19:09 > 0:19:16And we quickly established that it would appear that they both died in Dartford as children.
0:19:16 > 0:19:20Now, in view of the fact that the family never appeared to leave Bethnal Green,
0:19:20 > 0:19:24it made me think that there must have been some reason why they were in Dartford.
0:19:24 > 0:19:28And I kind of had the hunch that probably they died in a hospital.
0:19:30 > 0:19:32Dave's hunch turned out to be correct.
0:19:32 > 0:19:37Florence and Beatrice's death certificates revealed that they both died in 1894.
0:19:37 > 0:19:41Their place of death was given as the hospital ship Atlas,
0:19:41 > 0:19:46one of two ships moored on the Thames that were used to house smallpox patients.
0:19:50 > 0:19:52Smallpox was probably the most feared disease
0:19:52 > 0:19:57from about 1600 onwards, or 1700 onwards.
0:19:57 > 0:20:00After the end of the Plague, smallpox was probably
0:20:00 > 0:20:06the biggest widespread killer that affected people in the British Isles.
0:20:06 > 0:20:08Although smallpox has now been eradicated
0:20:08 > 0:20:12thanks to effective vaccination, in the late 19th century,
0:20:12 > 0:20:16the big problem was how to isolate sufferers and prevent its spread.
0:20:16 > 0:20:20As soon as Constance's aunts were suspected of having the disease,
0:20:20 > 0:20:23they would have been taken to a designated wharf on the river,
0:20:23 > 0:20:26where they were assessed by doctors.
0:20:26 > 0:20:29From there, they were taken by converted paddleboat
0:20:29 > 0:20:33out to the two hospital ships - the Atlas and the Endymion.
0:20:35 > 0:20:40We know that of the 20,000 people who went from London
0:20:40 > 0:20:45to the hospital ships over the 17 or so years that they were in operation,
0:20:45 > 0:20:49that about 4,000 died, about 20%.
0:20:49 > 0:20:54But at the same time, 16,000 eventually came back home to London.
0:20:54 > 0:20:58Sadly, Constance's aunts never returned
0:20:58 > 0:21:00to their family in Bethnal Green.
0:21:00 > 0:21:03As children, they were particularly vulnerable.
0:21:03 > 0:21:06Florence died first, aged 13,
0:21:06 > 0:21:10followed three weeks later by her sister Beatrice, aged five.
0:21:13 > 0:21:19It turned out that out of Constance's six uncles and aunts, only two of them had married
0:21:19 > 0:21:22and had children who could be Constance's heirs.
0:21:22 > 0:21:25The eldest one, William, had married a Caroline Tovee
0:21:25 > 0:21:30in 1893 in Bethnal Green, and they had a son called Reginald.
0:21:31 > 0:21:35He in turn had married and had a son, also called Reginald.
0:21:36 > 0:21:38It looked like Dave was finally closing in
0:21:38 > 0:21:41on his first beneficiary to Constance Harrington's estate,
0:21:41 > 0:21:45but little did he know that this investigation was about to lead him
0:21:45 > 0:21:49to the heart of one of the defining events of 20th-century Britain.
0:21:51 > 0:21:55From talking with family members, I discovered that Constance
0:21:55 > 0:21:58worked for a famous, if somewhat infamous, person
0:21:58 > 0:22:00who was involved in a scandal
0:22:00 > 0:22:03that rocked the whole of the British establishment.
0:22:11 > 0:22:14Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year,
0:22:14 > 0:22:16and millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs,
0:22:16 > 0:22:20but not every case can be cracked.
0:22:20 > 0:22:23The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates
0:22:23 > 0:22:26that have baffled heir hunters and remain unsolved.
0:22:26 > 0:22:29Could you be the heir they've been searching for?
0:22:29 > 0:22:32Could you been in line for a windfall worth hundreds,
0:22:32 > 0:22:34thousands or even millions of pounds?
0:22:35 > 0:22:38Estates stay on the list for up to 30 years,
0:22:38 > 0:22:41and today we're focussing on three names.
0:22:41 > 0:22:43Are they relatives of yours?
0:22:43 > 0:22:48Anna Buglar died in Gillingham, Dorset, in November 2005.
0:22:48 > 0:22:51Buglar is a rare surname in the UK,
0:22:51 > 0:22:54but is most commonly found in the West Country.
0:22:54 > 0:22:57Does the name Buglar ring a bell for you?
0:22:59 > 0:23:04Carel Willem Johannes Van Greuning died in Hove in February 2001.
0:23:04 > 0:23:05Carel's name indicates
0:23:05 > 0:23:08that he was probably from the Netherlands or Flanders.
0:23:08 > 0:23:12Do you remember him? Can you help solve this case?
0:23:14 > 0:23:18Kathleen Marjorie Daye died in Bordesley Green, Birmingham,
0:23:18 > 0:23:20in June 2001.
0:23:20 > 0:23:24Although Daye is a common surname, this spelling is fairly unusual.
0:23:24 > 0:23:28Were you a friend or neighbour of Kathleen's?
0:23:28 > 0:23:32If no heirs of hers are found, her money will go to the Government.
0:23:33 > 0:23:37If the names Anna Buglar, Carel Van Greuning or Kathleen Daye
0:23:37 > 0:23:40mean anything to you or someone you know,
0:23:40 > 0:23:42you could have a fortune coming your way.
0:23:51 > 0:23:54The heir hunters have been investigating
0:23:54 > 0:24:01the £150,000 estate of David Grainger who died in Northampton aged 67.
0:24:01 > 0:24:04No photograph of David can be found.
0:24:05 > 0:24:08The office have discovered that after a successful career
0:24:08 > 0:24:12at a computer firm in Warwick, David left to join
0:24:12 > 0:24:15a wrought iron business and started working with his hands,
0:24:15 > 0:24:17a passion he shared with his friend Steve.
0:24:19 > 0:24:21Whatever he did, it was perfection.
0:24:21 > 0:24:24There was always a better way of doing something with Dave,
0:24:24 > 0:24:25and Dave would find a way.
0:24:25 > 0:24:29If you ever needed help, Dave was always there.
0:24:29 > 0:24:31You know, you could ring Dave up,
0:24:31 > 0:24:34and he was the first person to help you out.
0:24:34 > 0:24:36David was undoubtedly very generous to his friends,
0:24:36 > 0:24:39but he was naturally quite reserved.
0:24:39 > 0:24:42Dave was, as far as I know, was an only child.
0:24:42 > 0:24:46Um, he was brought up in Northamptonshire.
0:24:46 > 0:24:50He never really discussed his personal life.
0:24:56 > 0:24:58So far, this case has been a frustrating one
0:24:58 > 0:25:01for case manager Grimble.
0:25:01 > 0:25:04There are no entitled heirs on the maternal side,
0:25:04 > 0:25:07and on the father's side, his best lead
0:25:07 > 0:25:11is a tantalising glimpse of two boys' names on the 1911 census.
0:25:11 > 0:25:16The census entry for the residential West London District School
0:25:16 > 0:25:21shows a Charles Granger aged six, who could be David's father,
0:25:21 > 0:25:23and a Frank Granger aged eight, who could be his uncle.
0:25:26 > 0:25:30Neil think he knows why the boys aren't registered with their family.
0:25:30 > 0:25:34Is it a poor school? Is it a poor school, is it?
0:25:34 > 0:25:37Yeah, so they've been abandoned in a poor school.
0:25:38 > 0:25:42The school they were at was the West London District School
0:25:42 > 0:25:44and was one of several in London known as poor schools
0:25:44 > 0:25:46that took in children from poor families
0:25:46 > 0:25:49who couldn't afford to care for them themselves.
0:25:49 > 0:25:51It was quite a large building.
0:25:51 > 0:25:55It housed pretty much 700 or 800 children
0:25:55 > 0:25:58and had a large dining hall and very large grounds.
0:25:58 > 0:26:00It had about 70 acres of grounds.
0:26:00 > 0:26:03It was actually its own little community, a little village, almost.
0:26:03 > 0:26:08They were taught shoemaking, carpentry,
0:26:08 > 0:26:11anything that would make them employable in later life.
0:26:12 > 0:26:16They would stay there either until their parents left the workhouse
0:26:16 > 0:26:20and they would be united, or in some cases they would stay there
0:26:20 > 0:26:22until they reached the age of 15
0:26:22 > 0:26:26when they would then be old enough to lead an independent life.
0:26:30 > 0:26:34If the two boys on the census WERE David's father and uncle,
0:26:34 > 0:26:38it seems that they grew up separated from their parents,
0:26:38 > 0:26:40and after they left the school, it's unlikely
0:26:40 > 0:26:42that they would have returned to the family,
0:26:42 > 0:26:45which is going to make it even harder for Neil
0:26:45 > 0:26:49to make the vital connection that will prove he's on the right track.
0:26:50 > 0:26:51But in the meantime,
0:26:51 > 0:26:55all they can do is press on and pursue every lead they have.
0:26:56 > 0:26:59- I, or without the I on his...? - With the I.
0:27:01 > 0:27:05Gareth has been trying to trace Frank Grainger after he left the school
0:27:05 > 0:27:08and has found three marriages that could be relevant.
0:27:10 > 0:27:15- What's the first one? - Emily. B-A-I-L-E-Y.
0:27:17 > 0:27:20One of the marriages to an Emily Bailey seems promising,
0:27:20 > 0:27:23so they immediately put in a request for a certificate.
0:27:23 > 0:27:26It turns out this marriage produced three children,
0:27:26 > 0:27:28who could be first cousins to David.
0:27:28 > 0:27:32Further investigation reveals that Peter and Anne have died,
0:27:32 > 0:27:36but James, it appears, is still alive.
0:27:36 > 0:27:39He's a potential claimant.
0:27:40 > 0:27:45We can't be 100% sure at the moment, but from what we can see
0:27:45 > 0:27:49from the records, there's a good chance he is part of the family.
0:27:49 > 0:27:53And hopefully, by talking to him, he may give us
0:27:53 > 0:27:59some information that may put it all together, so we'll give him a try.
0:27:59 > 0:28:03Dave sends senior heir hunter on the road, Bob Barrett, round to James's house,
0:28:03 > 0:28:08but Bob's been warned that this could be a wild goose chase.
0:28:08 > 0:28:12It may very well NOT be an heir, so the first thing I'll do
0:28:12 > 0:28:16if I manage to find this gentleman in is to try and ascertain
0:28:16 > 0:28:18that he comes from the right family.
0:28:22 > 0:28:24- Richard Granger?- He's in luck.
0:28:24 > 0:28:28James Grainger is in, so Bob gets straight down to business.
0:28:28 > 0:28:32- So you don't know your dad's date of birth?- No, no, I don't.
0:28:32 > 0:28:36But quickly realises he's not going to get the answers he's looking for.
0:28:36 > 0:28:40- Or where he was born?- No. - And you don't know when he died?- No.
0:28:40 > 0:28:43You don't remember any aunts and uncles on his side?
0:28:43 > 0:28:46Nobody has ever mentioned anything about that side.
0:28:46 > 0:28:50It turns out that James's parents split up when he was very young,
0:28:50 > 0:28:54so he knows nothing about his real father, Frank Grainger.
0:28:54 > 0:28:58Although Bob still isn't convinced that James is an entitled heir,
0:28:58 > 0:29:01he talks him through the process of claiming on an estate.
0:29:01 > 0:29:03Just one signature just there.
0:29:03 > 0:29:04James is happy for the heir hunters
0:29:04 > 0:29:06to help him make his claim to the Treasury,
0:29:06 > 0:29:09if he turns out to be connected to the family.
0:29:09 > 0:29:11Right, be seeing you, then.
0:29:11 > 0:29:14Everything about this case is still very uncertain.
0:29:14 > 0:29:18Bob may have just signed up his first heir, and if he has,
0:29:18 > 0:29:22then James could finally fill in the gaps in his family history.
0:29:23 > 0:29:26Money doesn't really bother me,
0:29:26 > 0:29:31so it's nice to know, cos I don't know a lot of my relatives.
0:29:33 > 0:29:36Well, I mean, I was too young, put it that way,
0:29:36 > 0:29:39and I was never one for investigating.
0:29:39 > 0:29:42I just take life as it comes.
0:29:44 > 0:29:47- Hiya, Grimble, please.- Meanwhile, Bob checks back in with the office.
0:29:47 > 0:29:52Would you believe it, the one time when we need someone to know
0:29:52 > 0:29:55something about their father, this Mr Grainger doesn't.
0:29:57 > 0:30:00But even as Bob is relaying his latest setback to Grimble,
0:30:00 > 0:30:04downstairs, Gareth is having a eureka moment.
0:30:04 > 0:30:09I'm wondering, have they just abandoned their first two children, Frank and Charles?
0:30:11 > 0:30:13Possibly because they couldn't afford to look after them,
0:30:13 > 0:30:18and at a later date, they've been in a better position and started having kids again.
0:30:18 > 0:30:20Gareth's found an entry on the 1911 census
0:30:20 > 0:30:23for a Henry and Martha Granger.
0:30:23 > 0:30:26It shows them having two children, Thomas and Rose.
0:30:26 > 0:30:29There's no mention of Charles or Frank,
0:30:29 > 0:30:32the two boys who had been sent away to the poor school,
0:30:32 > 0:30:35but Gareth thinks that they are part of the same family.
0:30:35 > 0:30:39We're not sure it's right, but so much of it ties in,
0:30:39 > 0:30:42so much of it looks good. We're working it.
0:30:43 > 0:30:44If his theory's correct,
0:30:44 > 0:30:48then he's just found another aunt and uncle of the deceased.
0:30:48 > 0:30:51James Grainger, the newly signed potential heir,
0:30:51 > 0:30:53would also be their nephew.
0:30:53 > 0:30:56If Thomas and Rose had gone on to have children,
0:30:56 > 0:30:59they would also be heirs, but frustratingly,
0:30:59 > 0:31:02this is where the trail runs dry.
0:31:03 > 0:31:08It's like a whole section of the family, for some reason, has vanished.
0:31:08 > 0:31:09It's really hard, this case.
0:31:09 > 0:31:14But undaunted, Simon and Gareth get stuck into this new challenge,
0:31:14 > 0:31:16and between them, they find out the truth.
0:31:18 > 0:31:21Thomas, it seems, died as an infant, but Rose hadn't vanished.
0:31:21 > 0:31:23She'd emigrated.
0:31:23 > 0:31:27- Where was your guess for Rose? - Arkansas.
0:31:28 > 0:31:30- They've gone to America.- Well done.
0:31:32 > 0:31:36Rose Granger may have died, but she has a daughter living in America.
0:31:36 > 0:31:40She is another potential first cousin of David's
0:31:40 > 0:31:42and heir to his estate.
0:31:42 > 0:31:45Simon is delighted.
0:31:45 > 0:31:47So it looks as if they've gone to Arkansas,
0:31:47 > 0:31:49and more importantly, she's on the phone.
0:31:49 > 0:31:53It's 2pm in London, and 8am in Arkansas.
0:31:53 > 0:31:57Grimble rings the possible cousin with what he hopes
0:31:57 > 0:31:58will be a happy wake-up call.
0:31:59 > 0:32:05Right, she was Rose, was she? Right. OK.
0:32:05 > 0:32:09Can you tell me, did your mother have any other brothers or sisters at all?
0:32:09 > 0:32:12It's vital that Grimble establishes a link
0:32:12 > 0:32:14between Rose's daughter and the deceased.
0:32:14 > 0:32:17The two brothers that left home,
0:32:17 > 0:32:19were they older or younger than your mother?
0:32:23 > 0:32:27Amazingly, she seems to know a lot about her mother's family,
0:32:27 > 0:32:31and it looks like it's tying in with Gareth's theory.
0:32:31 > 0:32:35Bye-bye. A lovely old girl.
0:32:36 > 0:32:38Well, don't know if it's the right family,
0:32:38 > 0:32:40but everything adds up, doesn't' it?
0:32:40 > 0:32:47She's saying that her mother, um, she had two brothers that left home,
0:32:47 > 0:32:53and that's basically our deceased father and his brother Frank.
0:32:54 > 0:32:58The grandmother had two other children.
0:32:59 > 0:33:02Grimble heads down downstairs to share the good news.
0:33:02 > 0:33:07She read out all the details on her mother's birth certificate that she had,
0:33:07 > 0:33:13which gives us date of birth and confirms Henry and Martha Amy.
0:33:13 > 0:33:18- Peek?- Peek. That's definitely right as far as that's concerned.
0:33:18 > 0:33:21It's a great result for the team.
0:33:21 > 0:33:24All their hard work has finally paid off,
0:33:24 > 0:33:27but there's still one missing piece to this jigsaw.
0:33:27 > 0:33:31Is James Grainger, who signed the agreement earlier,
0:33:31 > 0:33:36really David Grainger's first cousin and a bona fide heir to his estate?
0:33:36 > 0:33:40The answer is contained on his father Frank Grainger's marriage certificate,
0:33:40 > 0:33:43which has just arrived in the office.
0:33:44 > 0:33:47So this is our guy. He is right.
0:33:47 > 0:33:50The certificate proves that Frank and Charles, the two boys
0:33:50 > 0:33:54who were sent away to the poor school, were indeed brothers.
0:33:54 > 0:33:57Frank's father is listed as Henry Grainger,
0:33:57 > 0:33:59who was Charles's father as well.
0:33:59 > 0:34:03This means that Frank's son James is a first cousin
0:34:03 > 0:34:05and heir of the deceased.
0:34:05 > 0:34:06Grimble is delighted.
0:34:07 > 0:34:09I think we've got the right family.
0:34:09 > 0:34:11Full marks to all the researches down there.
0:34:11 > 0:34:14They've done a very good job, I think.
0:34:14 > 0:34:16In the end,
0:34:16 > 0:34:20the heir hunters traced a total of six beneficiaries on this case.
0:34:20 > 0:34:24Fraser & Fraser estimate the estate could be worth as much as £480,000
0:34:24 > 0:34:29based on the sale of David's businesses, but the final value
0:34:29 > 0:34:33will only be confirmed by the Treasury to the heirs.
0:34:33 > 0:34:36All in all, it's was a good day's heir hunting, and Neil knows it.
0:34:37 > 0:34:41Hard work and good research has enabled us to solve a case
0:34:41 > 0:34:44which this morning looked like it may never be solved.
0:34:49 > 0:34:52Back on the case of ex-Wren Constance Harrington,
0:34:52 > 0:34:54who died at the age of 87,
0:34:54 > 0:35:00leaving behind her an estate worth £130,000, but no will.
0:35:01 > 0:35:05Heir hunter Dave Slee's search for Constance's heirs has brought him
0:35:05 > 0:35:08to the brink of his first major breakthrough.
0:35:08 > 0:35:11By tracing the descendants of her Uncle William,
0:35:11 > 0:35:15he had arrived at her first cousin once removed, Reginald Harrington.
0:35:17 > 0:35:20Reginald was Dave's first live heir on this case,
0:35:20 > 0:35:22so he didn't waste any time getting in touch.
0:35:24 > 0:35:25It was a complete surprise to me.
0:35:25 > 0:35:31I had no idea, in fact, that I had a cousin once removed,
0:35:31 > 0:35:32named Constance.
0:35:32 > 0:35:36It turned out that for some reason, Reginald's father,
0:35:36 > 0:35:37also called Reginald,
0:35:37 > 0:35:41had had very little contact with his family after he married.
0:35:41 > 0:35:46I didn't come across my family until I was a young man myself,
0:35:46 > 0:35:50so my paternal family is quite distant to me,
0:35:50 > 0:35:54which is one of the reasons why I'm now so keen to learn more.
0:35:54 > 0:35:56Did she talk about any of the others?
0:35:56 > 0:35:59Dave was able to tell Reginald about his cousin Constance's
0:35:59 > 0:36:03illustrious wartime career, but as it turned out,
0:36:03 > 0:36:06this was only her first step along the corridors of power.
0:36:06 > 0:36:10As the investigation continued and Dave spoke to more
0:36:10 > 0:36:14of Constance's descendants, he made a fascinating discovery.
0:36:15 > 0:36:18I found out from a family member that, incredibly,
0:36:18 > 0:36:24Constance at one time was working as the private secretary to John Profumo
0:36:24 > 0:36:27who, later on, as the Minister of War,
0:36:27 > 0:36:30was involved in the Profumo scandal.
0:36:31 > 0:36:34John Profumo was a Conservative politician
0:36:34 > 0:36:39who served as Secretary of State for War from 1960 to 1963.
0:36:39 > 0:36:42During this time, he had an adulterous affair with
0:36:42 > 0:36:46a glamorous call girl named Christine Keeler, sparking off
0:36:46 > 0:36:49one of the greatest political scandals of the 20th century.
0:36:50 > 0:36:52Profumo famously fell for Christine's charms
0:36:52 > 0:36:56when they met by the swimming pool of Cliveden House,
0:36:56 > 0:36:58where they were both guests at a house party.
0:36:58 > 0:37:03The year was 1961, a time when Constance's family believe
0:37:03 > 0:37:06she was working as his private secretary.
0:37:07 > 0:37:11Profumo and Christine embarked on a brief affair that ended
0:37:11 > 0:37:13after he was warned about her friendship
0:37:13 > 0:37:16with society osteopath Stephen Ward.
0:37:16 > 0:37:23It was known to the security services that Ward had
0:37:23 > 0:37:28some connections and had been trying to make contact with the Russians.
0:37:28 > 0:37:31Ward seems to have been a bit of a fantasist
0:37:31 > 0:37:37and was trying to sell secrets to the Russians and find ways of doing that.
0:37:37 > 0:37:39Fast-forward 18 months,
0:37:39 > 0:37:43and the press have got wind of the affair and are hounding Christine.
0:37:43 > 0:37:47It's become known that another of her boyfriends,
0:37:47 > 0:37:50also introduced to her by Ward, was Yevgeni Ivanov,
0:37:50 > 0:37:54a Russian naval attache to the Soviet embassy in London.
0:37:54 > 0:37:59One of the reasons why the Profumo affair becomes so toxic
0:37:59 > 0:38:04is because it could be associated with security scandals
0:38:04 > 0:38:09and with the whole idea of spying
0:38:09 > 0:38:12in the wake of a series of spy scandals
0:38:12 > 0:38:15which had broken over the previous year or so.
0:38:17 > 0:38:18Profumo offered to resign,
0:38:18 > 0:38:21but when questioned in private by members of his own party,
0:38:21 > 0:38:25he denied that he had had a relationship with Keeler.
0:38:25 > 0:38:30He went on to reaffirm that in the House of Commons
0:38:30 > 0:38:34in his statement on 22nd March 1963,
0:38:34 > 0:38:36and it's that statement that
0:38:36 > 0:38:41"there as no impropriety in my acquaintanceship with Miss Keeler"
0:38:41 > 0:38:45which came back to bite him later on in the year,
0:38:45 > 0:38:49when it became apparent that this was untrue.
0:38:50 > 0:38:53As Profumo's right-hand woman, Constance would have been
0:38:53 > 0:38:55at his side throughout this difficult period,
0:38:55 > 0:39:00offering her skill, professionalism and, of course, complete discretion.
0:39:01 > 0:39:06Good private secretaries would have been brought up not to have enquired
0:39:06 > 0:39:10into things that don't directly concern them anyway.
0:39:10 > 0:39:13But it turned out nothing could save him.
0:39:13 > 0:39:19On 5th June 1963, after sustained pressure by the press and MPs,
0:39:19 > 0:39:22John Profumo finally admitted his lie
0:39:22 > 0:39:24and resigned from the Government.
0:39:24 > 0:39:26He devoted the rest of his life to charity,
0:39:26 > 0:39:31and in 1975, 20 years after his fall from grace,
0:39:31 > 0:39:33he was awarded the CBE.
0:39:35 > 0:39:40By the time he dies in 2006,
0:39:40 > 0:39:45he's felt to have fully atoned for his crimes, such as they were,
0:39:45 > 0:39:51and to have made a signal contribution to society,
0:39:51 > 0:39:55but in a rather different way from during his parliamentary career.
0:39:57 > 0:39:59Constance was a loyal secretary to Profumo
0:39:59 > 0:40:02and all the important figures that she worked with
0:40:02 > 0:40:04over her astounding career.
0:40:04 > 0:40:08For Dave Slee, it was a successful and eye-opening investigation.
0:40:08 > 0:40:09Thank you now, bye-bye.
0:40:11 > 0:40:15Initially, we just thought this is in a state of hover.
0:40:15 > 0:40:19A lady that's lived in London and retired, as so many people do,
0:40:19 > 0:40:22onto the south coast, and it wasn't until we delved deeper
0:40:22 > 0:40:25into Constance's background that we discovered
0:40:25 > 0:40:27what a fascinating life she led.
0:40:28 > 0:40:32So, from our point of view, to research estates where people have
0:40:32 > 0:40:38this connection with famous events is, of course, really rewarding.
0:40:39 > 0:40:42In the end, the company found 30 heirs
0:40:42 > 0:40:45to Constance's £130,000 estate,
0:40:45 > 0:40:4815 on each side of the family.
0:40:48 > 0:40:50The investigation was over,
0:40:50 > 0:40:53but the heir hunters had accumulated some fascinating information
0:40:53 > 0:40:56about Constance which they wanted to share with their cousin Reginald,
0:40:56 > 0:41:01so senior researcher on the road, Dave Hadley, went over to meet him.
0:41:01 > 0:41:04- Mr Harrington.- Hello.- Hello.
0:41:04 > 0:41:05- It's good to see you.- And you.
0:41:05 > 0:41:09- As well as the Harrington family tree...- That's Constance.
0:41:09 > 0:41:13- Constance, yes. - And there's you.- Yes.
0:41:13 > 0:41:16..Dave has also brought a letter written by Constance
0:41:16 > 0:41:17to one of her maternal cousins.
0:41:17 > 0:41:21- I'll let you read the letter. - Thank you.
0:41:21 > 0:41:24In it, she speaks of an enduring friendship with Profumo and his wife.
0:41:24 > 0:41:27"He invited me to stay with him
0:41:27 > 0:41:31"and his wife at their country cottage in Sawbridgeworth.
0:41:31 > 0:41:33"I felt very honoured."
0:41:33 > 0:41:37The letter also offers an intriguing glimpse into her thoughts
0:41:37 > 0:41:40about the scandal that put an end to her boss's career.
0:41:40 > 0:41:46"I am convinced that he was set up at Cliveden with Christine Keeler.
0:41:48 > 0:41:53"People who did not want him to rise to the top and were jealous of him.
0:41:53 > 0:41:57"He was a top man. He made a mistake,
0:41:57 > 0:42:02"but we are all sinners, are we not?"
0:42:04 > 0:42:07Hearing Constance's point of view is a moving experience
0:42:07 > 0:42:09for both heir hunter and heir.
0:42:09 > 0:42:14Somehow, I feel I almost have a link with her.
0:42:14 > 0:42:16I was in the Royal Marines myself.
0:42:16 > 0:42:20She was a Wren and, I don't know, there's a closeness
0:42:20 > 0:42:24that seems to have developed now which I didn't dream would happen.
0:42:24 > 0:42:27It's been absolutely fascinating.
0:42:28 > 0:42:31It turns out there are other family similarities as well.
0:42:31 > 0:42:34Like her cousin Constance before her,
0:42:34 > 0:42:38Reg's younger daughter Claire has also had a high-flying career.
0:42:38 > 0:42:43As a PA at 10 Downing Street, she's worked for three Prime Ministers
0:42:43 > 0:42:45and travelled all over the world on state business.
0:42:45 > 0:42:50There's a parallel there, isn't there, that they both have worked
0:42:50 > 0:42:56at the highest level, so I'm very proud of both of them, I really am.
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