0:00:02 > 0:00:08Today the Heir Hunters are racing to track down the heirs from an estate worth £37,000.
0:00:10 > 0:00:13Their job now is to beat the competition
0:00:13 > 0:00:16and be the first to find the long-lost relatives
0:00:16 > 0:00:19who have no idea they could be in line for a windfall.
0:00:20 > 0:00:22- Could they be knocking at your door? - BUZZER
0:00:39 > 0:00:42I like where it's all staying in one area for us.
0:00:42 > 0:00:44It's absolutely all over the place.
0:00:44 > 0:00:46On today's programme -
0:00:46 > 0:00:48the hunt for one man's descendants
0:00:48 > 0:00:51leads the heir hunters on a nationwide search.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53We're covering every county in the country,
0:00:53 > 0:00:56and that's usually a very bad sign from our point of view.
0:00:57 > 0:00:59The heir hunters investigate
0:00:59 > 0:01:03the £225,000 estate of Arthur William Jones.
0:01:03 > 0:01:06But in the process, uncover his tragic life story.
0:01:06 > 0:01:10Though Arthur hadn't died in the Second World War,
0:01:10 > 0:01:13his life really had ended as anybody else would have known it.
0:01:13 > 0:01:17And how you could be entitled to unclaimed inheritance,
0:01:17 > 0:01:20where heirs need to be found.
0:01:20 > 0:01:22Could you be in line for a cash payout?
0:01:32 > 0:01:37Every year in the UK over 300,000 people die without leaving a will.
0:01:38 > 0:01:40If no relatives are found,
0:01:40 > 0:01:43then any money that's left behind will go to the Government.
0:01:43 > 0:01:47And last year they made £14 million from unclaimed estates.
0:01:47 > 0:01:52But there are over 30,000 specialist firms competing to stop this happening.
0:01:52 > 0:01:56They are the heir hunters and they make it their business
0:01:56 > 0:02:00to track down missing relatives and help them claim their rightful inheritance.
0:02:02 > 0:02:04The people that we trace are entitled to this money
0:02:04 > 0:02:07and we like to try and do all that we can to make sure that they get it.
0:02:16 > 0:02:20It's Thursday morning in London, and overnight the Treasury has
0:02:20 > 0:02:23advertised a new list of names of unclaimed estates.
0:02:23 > 0:02:27But today things are going to be a little different for staff
0:02:27 > 0:02:29at heir hunting company Fraser & Fraser.
0:02:29 > 0:02:32Yeah, OK.
0:02:32 > 0:02:35Partner Neil is using an alternative list of names that is only
0:02:35 > 0:02:38published every two or three months.
0:02:38 > 0:02:41So what we're working today are a few cases which are slightly
0:02:41 > 0:02:44different than our standard Treasury cases.
0:02:44 > 0:02:46They're Duchy of Lancaster cases.
0:02:46 > 0:02:50The Duchy of Lancaster is actually the Queen, the Monarch.
0:02:50 > 0:02:51Um, this means that the money
0:02:51 > 0:02:54doesn't directly go to the Government, it goes to the Queen.
0:02:54 > 0:02:57This actually goes into her own personal coffers.
0:02:57 > 0:03:01The Duchy of Lancaster is one of two Royal Duchies in England.
0:03:01 > 0:03:04The other is the Duchy of Cornwall, and these are traditionally
0:03:04 > 0:03:06used to provide income for the British monarch.
0:03:08 > 0:03:12This revenue comes from the people who die intestate within
0:03:12 > 0:03:15certain parts of these districts, where the land is still owned by the Crown.
0:03:17 > 0:03:23Another difference from Treasury cases is that Neil knows exactly what an estate's worth.
0:03:23 > 0:03:24It's 37,000.
0:03:24 > 0:03:28With Duchies, we still get given the value on the cases.
0:03:28 > 0:03:32However, they're generally a lot smaller than the Treasury cases.
0:03:32 > 0:03:35So 37,000 is still in our budget to, to work.
0:03:36 > 0:03:43What Neil means is that chasing a case of £37,000 is financially viable for the company,
0:03:43 > 0:03:46as long as they can turn it around quickly.
0:03:46 > 0:03:52If they can keep the manpower, timescale and resources used to find David Johnson's heirs to a minimum,
0:03:52 > 0:03:55it will mean there's a profit in it for the heir hunters.
0:03:55 > 0:03:58Get in touch with Dave Hadley and send him there.
0:03:58 > 0:04:00Wanting a speedy result,
0:04:00 > 0:04:03Neil hands the estate over to senior case manager, David Pacifico.
0:04:03 > 0:04:06OK, bye.
0:04:06 > 0:04:09David has over 40 years experience at heir hunting
0:04:09 > 0:04:13and if anyone can turn this case around quickly, it's him.
0:04:13 > 0:04:17Neil and David share what information they have so far.
0:04:17 > 0:04:20- What was the date?- 18.04.56.
0:04:21 > 0:04:24Initial research into the death records has given them
0:04:24 > 0:04:27a speculative date of birth for the deceased -
0:04:27 > 0:04:29a good starting point for the heir hunters.
0:04:29 > 0:04:33I've got a Duchy case out today of a David Johnson. Bye.
0:04:38 > 0:04:43David Johnson died aged just 53 on the 25th of January, 2010.
0:04:43 > 0:04:47He left no will and no known relatives.
0:04:47 > 0:04:49He died alone in his Manchester flat
0:04:49 > 0:04:53and was discovered by friends who alerted the police.
0:04:54 > 0:04:57It was a sad end for a man renowned for his sense of humour
0:04:57 > 0:04:59and love of life.
0:04:59 > 0:05:02His friend David Fisher remembers a vibrant character
0:05:02 > 0:05:06who he first befriended over a crossword puzzle down the pub.
0:05:07 > 0:05:13The first time I met him, 28 years ago. And he was happy, outgoing.
0:05:13 > 0:05:17Loved his cigarettes, loved his beer. All the time, happy.
0:05:18 > 0:05:20We had great laughs together.
0:05:20 > 0:05:23In the week, David Johnson was a biochemist.
0:05:23 > 0:05:24But on the weekends,
0:05:24 > 0:05:28his greatest pleasure was walking in the great outdoors.
0:05:28 > 0:05:33David and his friends ventured from the Yorkshire Moors to the Lake District,
0:05:33 > 0:05:35looking for good walks and good pubs.
0:05:35 > 0:05:38But at the end of 2009, David Johnson
0:05:38 > 0:05:42dropped off his friend's radar and stopped visiting his old haunts.
0:05:44 > 0:05:48Towards the end of David's life...
0:05:48 > 0:05:52he became almost invisible.
0:05:52 > 0:05:53You couldn't see him.
0:05:53 > 0:05:57He disappeared, as though he'd moved to another part of the town.
0:06:00 > 0:06:01But he hadn't.
0:06:01 > 0:06:05He was actually suffering from an undiagnosed cancer and started avoiding his friends.
0:06:06 > 0:06:11It was only by chance that David Fisher saw him in hospital.
0:06:11 > 0:06:14But it was obvious his old friend didn't want to talk.
0:06:15 > 0:06:18I think he'd pretended he hadn't seen me, yeah.
0:06:18 > 0:06:20Which was a bit sad, really because, you know,
0:06:20 > 0:06:23we weren't distant friends or anything.
0:06:23 > 0:06:25We were pretty close at the time.
0:06:26 > 0:06:32So maybe he was just a bit frightened of expressing himself.
0:06:32 > 0:06:36When David Johnson finally sought medical help for his cancer,
0:06:36 > 0:06:38he was told it was terminal.
0:06:38 > 0:06:41And just two weeks later he died.
0:06:41 > 0:06:44The day in the hospital was the last time I saw him alive.
0:06:44 > 0:06:46I never got to say any goodbyes,
0:06:46 > 0:06:48you know, or try and cheer him up a bit,
0:06:48 > 0:06:52take him on a bit of a camping holiday.
0:06:52 > 0:06:58You know, he sort of retired into himself. He wouldn't go anywhere.
0:06:58 > 0:07:02David Johnson left behind friends who miss him.
0:07:02 > 0:07:06But for the heir hunters, it's about whether he left any family as well.
0:07:13 > 0:07:15What's the time now?
0:07:15 > 0:07:18David Pacifico is already on the hunt for David's heirs.
0:07:19 > 0:07:23The team's initial research into the death register suggest that
0:07:23 > 0:07:27even although the deceased passed away in Manchester,
0:07:27 > 0:07:32there was a David Johnson born in April, 1956, in London that could be their man.
0:07:32 > 0:07:36Can I get Jo to go to Islington Registry Office?
0:07:36 > 0:07:39David Johnson's birth certificate is crucial to the hunt.
0:07:41 > 0:07:45On it will be his parents' names - a must-have when tracking down heirs.
0:07:45 > 0:07:48David Pacifico puts in a call to researcher Jo who is
0:07:48 > 0:07:52out on the streets of London, ready to visit any register office
0:07:52 > 0:07:53the team needs her to.
0:07:53 > 0:07:56Could you go to Islington Registry Office and pick up the birth,
0:07:56 > 0:07:57hopefully, on one of them?
0:07:57 > 0:08:01At this early stage, all the team's research is speculative,
0:08:01 > 0:08:04including the deceased's date of birth.
0:08:05 > 0:08:07Well, hopefully born on the 18th of April.
0:08:07 > 0:08:10And if that's the case, we'd also have the parents names.
0:08:10 > 0:08:12But we need that birth.
0:08:15 > 0:08:17From the team's initial research,
0:08:17 > 0:08:22they think David's parents could be an Alan Johnson and an Edna Daniels,
0:08:22 > 0:08:24although they won't know this for sure
0:08:24 > 0:08:27until they get their hands on his birth certificate.
0:08:27 > 0:08:29But because David died relatively young,
0:08:29 > 0:08:32there is a possibility his parents outlived him.
0:08:32 > 0:08:33Roger is hard at work.
0:08:35 > 0:08:38Well, hopefully, we've got the right David Johnson birth,
0:08:38 > 0:08:39and if we have, I'm just seeing
0:08:39 > 0:08:44if the parents are still alive as he's not that old a person.
0:08:44 > 0:08:48So...I'll have a look around and see if there's any...
0:08:48 > 0:08:50any Ednas and Alans still together.
0:08:50 > 0:08:54Roger finds a potential marriage for David's parents,
0:08:54 > 0:08:58but despite this, it's all still a bit confusing.
0:08:58 > 0:09:01He was born in, er, London.
0:09:01 > 0:09:04His potential parents are also married in London,
0:09:04 > 0:09:06but he died in Manchester.
0:09:06 > 0:09:09So he might have gone on his own, or they might have all gone,
0:09:09 > 0:09:11so it's still a stab in the dark at the moment.
0:09:11 > 0:09:16But case manager David Pacifico knows you have to speculate to accumulate,
0:09:16 > 0:09:21and his team have found a potential last address for the deceased.
0:09:21 > 0:09:26If it's correct then they may have tracked down a neighbour who knew David Johnson.
0:09:26 > 0:09:30We're trying to trace the next of kin of a David Johnson.
0:09:30 > 0:09:31At this stage,
0:09:31 > 0:09:34any additional information will be welcomed by the heir hunters.
0:09:34 > 0:09:37All right. Thank you. Bye-bye.
0:09:37 > 0:09:40The phone call fills in details,
0:09:40 > 0:09:44but details that don't help David Pacifico in his hunt for heirs.
0:09:44 > 0:09:46Well, we've got the right address for the deceased,
0:09:46 > 0:09:49but I believe he'd only been living there for a few years
0:09:49 > 0:09:54and she had absolutely no knowledge where he came from, any family or anything like that.
0:09:55 > 0:09:58Everything is still up in the air.
0:09:58 > 0:10:00Are David Johnson's parents still alive?
0:10:00 > 0:10:04And even if they are, is the team even chasing the right family?
0:10:04 > 0:10:09All they can do is speculate and plan for every eventuality.
0:10:09 > 0:10:12- How are we doing, Roger?- We're trying to track down the parents, yeah.
0:10:12 > 0:10:14- What about siblings? - Doesn't look like there are any.
0:10:14 > 0:10:19I think that if Jo picks up the birth, just obviously, you know, do it one bit at a time.
0:10:19 > 0:10:22- Yeah.- Can you hold the door for me, sir, while you're there?
0:10:22 > 0:10:26Fortunately, across the office, researcher Gareth is making headway.
0:10:26 > 0:10:30Even though again, it's headway of a speculative nature.
0:10:30 > 0:10:32Very speccy cos we haven't got any certificates.
0:10:32 > 0:10:36We don't even know if the parents we've got of the deceased are correct,
0:10:36 > 0:10:40but if it is, there's a Ronald born in 1931.
0:10:42 > 0:10:46Um, having trouble finding a marriage for him. So, again, speccy.
0:10:46 > 0:10:47I've possibly got his son,
0:10:47 > 0:10:51so that would be a potential cousin of the deceased.
0:10:51 > 0:10:55Er, trying to track him down now. His name's Ian Ronald Daniels.
0:10:56 > 0:11:01To kick-start this hunt, the team are investigating the maternal line.
0:11:01 > 0:11:04Using David's mother's maiden name of Daniels, Gareth has
0:11:04 > 0:11:08potentially found Edna's birth in Sheffield.
0:11:08 > 0:11:11If this is correct, it would make her parents
0:11:11 > 0:11:14a Frederick Daniels and Agnes Brown.
0:11:14 > 0:11:16He then searched for other children from their marriage
0:11:16 > 0:11:19and has come up with a brother Ronald who has passed away
0:11:19 > 0:11:21but left living children.
0:11:21 > 0:11:24Gareth passes on his tentative lead.
0:11:25 > 0:11:30He has two children - Stephen and Ian Ronald Daniels.
0:11:30 > 0:11:33Born in Sheffield?
0:11:33 > 0:11:35- I think.- Epping?
0:11:37 > 0:11:39Despite this promising lead,
0:11:39 > 0:11:41the team's hunt is still far from finished.
0:11:41 > 0:11:44All the research into David's cousins could prove useless
0:11:44 > 0:11:46if they discover his parents are still alive,
0:11:46 > 0:11:51as they would be the rightful heirs to his estate.
0:11:51 > 0:11:53To add to their worries, the speculative family tree
0:11:53 > 0:11:58Gareth's putting together is all over the place.
0:11:58 > 0:12:01We've got a deceased who died in Manchester, born in Islington,
0:12:01 > 0:12:05potential parents Wood Green, which is fine, goes with the birth,
0:12:05 > 0:12:08and then the mother potentially born in Yorkshire.
0:12:08 > 0:12:11So, we're gradually covering the entire country.
0:12:12 > 0:12:16Now, if my Ronald marriage is right, which is a long stretch, really,
0:12:16 > 0:12:20then he married in Hertfordshire and his children are in Essex.
0:12:20 > 0:12:23So, we're gradually covering every county in the country.
0:12:23 > 0:12:25It's frustrating stuff
0:12:25 > 0:12:28when you're working on a case you know is worth £37,000.
0:12:29 > 0:12:32And Gareth isn't the only one feeling it.
0:12:32 > 0:12:34I'm losing the will to live here.
0:12:34 > 0:12:36There it is, see, Rhodri had it.
0:12:38 > 0:12:42David now has a phone number for the potential cousin of the deceased.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45But he's in for yet more frustration.
0:12:45 > 0:12:46Unobtainable.
0:12:48 > 0:12:50The phone number doesn't work. David is back to
0:12:50 > 0:12:52waiting on the birth certificate
0:12:52 > 0:12:54for confirmation that they are chasing the right family.
0:12:56 > 0:12:58Researcher Joe has ordered the certificate
0:12:58 > 0:13:02from Islington Register Office, but has to wait until they've found it.
0:13:02 > 0:13:05How are you getting on with that birth, any...?
0:13:08 > 0:13:10Right, on the basis that it's right,
0:13:10 > 0:13:15we think the parents may have got married in Wood Green,
0:13:15 > 0:13:17which is Haringey.
0:13:17 > 0:13:19Would you mind possibly going over there afterwards?
0:13:19 > 0:13:23Until David Pacifico can confirm his family tree and the cousins
0:13:23 > 0:13:26they've found, he has frustratingly little
0:13:26 > 0:13:28for his travelling heir hunter to do.
0:13:34 > 0:13:38Bob Barratt is one of the company's squadron of senior researchers
0:13:38 > 0:13:39who are willing to go
0:13:39 > 0:13:42wherever a case takes them in the hunt for heirs.
0:13:43 > 0:13:46Their goal is to meet face to face with long-lost relatives
0:13:46 > 0:13:49and hopefully get them to sign up with the company.
0:13:50 > 0:13:53But for the time being, Bob will have to wait like everyone else
0:13:53 > 0:13:56for David Johnson's birth certificate.
0:13:57 > 0:13:59It's crucial for confirming that
0:13:59 > 0:14:02the basic details for this case are correct,
0:14:02 > 0:14:05and not leading the heir hunters on a wild goose chase.
0:14:05 > 0:14:09And, birth certificate aside, the team still doesn't know for certain
0:14:09 > 0:14:12what's become of the deceased's parents.
0:14:12 > 0:14:15If we get that second Christian name, we might be able to do a bit more,
0:14:15 > 0:14:18but we are worried that she's still alive.
0:14:18 > 0:14:19Born 1924, so she could be in a home.
0:14:19 > 0:14:24Yet again, it's more guesswork, and until the team start getting
0:14:24 > 0:14:27some firm answers on this case,
0:14:27 > 0:14:30all their initial research could be in vain.
0:14:32 > 0:14:36Later in the programme, the team may have found David's cousins,
0:14:36 > 0:14:38but they still haven't found his mother.
0:14:39 > 0:14:42My own feeling is that I think she could be alive.
0:14:47 > 0:14:51Heir hunting companies don't always source unclaimed estates
0:14:51 > 0:14:56from the Treasury or the two royal duchies. Sometimes, they will be approached by solicitors
0:14:56 > 0:14:58acting on behalf of a deceased client.
0:15:00 > 0:15:03But no matter where a case comes from,
0:15:03 > 0:15:06the heir hunters' role is the same - to track down long-lost relatives
0:15:06 > 0:15:09and inform them of their rightful inheritance.
0:15:12 > 0:15:18Arthur William Jones died in January 2011 in a nursing home in Cardiff.
0:15:18 > 0:15:20Arthur was 90 years old when he passed away,
0:15:20 > 0:15:24and with no known relatives and no known will,
0:15:24 > 0:15:28his mammoth £225,000 estate went unclaimed.
0:15:29 > 0:15:32Arthur had been in College Fields Nursing Home for eight years,
0:15:32 > 0:15:37and matron Rachel Kemp thought of him as one of the family.
0:15:40 > 0:15:43Arthur, he was a gregarious sort of chap once you got him going!
0:15:43 > 0:15:48And he loves singing songs that would have been war songs.
0:15:48 > 0:15:51Daisy, Daisy was one of his favourites,
0:15:51 > 0:15:53so if you wanted to get Arthur wound up,
0:15:53 > 0:15:56if you started singing Daisy, Daisy, he would start singing with you.
0:15:57 > 0:16:01But Arthur was unfortunately very ill.
0:16:01 > 0:16:05Before College Fields, he'd been in a mental hospital since 1979...
0:16:06 > 0:16:10..and had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and dementia.
0:16:10 > 0:16:14Other than this, most of his past was a complete mystery to Rachel
0:16:14 > 0:16:18- and the other staff.- We knew nothing of Arthur's background,
0:16:18 > 0:16:22only that he'd been a long, long-stay patient in Whitchurch Hospital
0:16:22 > 0:16:25and that he'd been wounded in World War II.
0:16:25 > 0:16:29That was the sum total of Arthur's history as far as we were concerned.
0:16:30 > 0:16:32After his death,
0:16:32 > 0:16:35Rachel and a solicitor appointed to Arthur's estate tried in vain
0:16:35 > 0:16:37to trace any family he may have had.
0:16:39 > 0:16:42Hitting a dead end, the solicitor decided to contact
0:16:42 > 0:16:44heir-hunting company Fraser & Fraser to see
0:16:44 > 0:16:48if they'd have more luck finding the heirs
0:16:48 > 0:16:51to Arthur's sizeable £225,000 estate.
0:16:51 > 0:16:54It's almost certainly going to be in Cardiff, isn't it?
0:16:54 > 0:16:57Bob Smith is one of the company's case managers,
0:16:57 > 0:17:00and the job of finding Arthur's heirs fell on his desk.
0:17:02 > 0:17:05Obviously, the deceased had died without making a will,
0:17:05 > 0:17:07and there were no family members, apparently,
0:17:07 > 0:17:08that were in contact with him,
0:17:08 > 0:17:11certainly no family members that visited him
0:17:11 > 0:17:15- in the nursing home when he died. - In the first instance,
0:17:15 > 0:17:20Bob wasn't too happy about working a name like Arthur William Jones.
0:17:21 > 0:17:24Jones is one of the most common surnames in Wales,
0:17:24 > 0:17:28and solving cases with this name are notoriously difficult
0:17:28 > 0:17:29for the heir hunters.
0:17:30 > 0:17:33But Bob was given a head start.
0:17:33 > 0:17:39Amongst the papers given to us by the solicitors was a copy of our deceased's birth certificate.
0:17:41 > 0:17:43That obviously has his parents' names on it.
0:17:43 > 0:17:46From there, we were able to identify their marriage in 1906.
0:17:47 > 0:17:51Arthur's parents were George Jones and Laura Maud Rich.
0:17:51 > 0:17:53Bob's next task was to identify
0:17:53 > 0:17:55whether they had any children apart from Arthur.
0:17:55 > 0:18:00Using the details gathered from the marriage certificate,
0:18:00 > 0:18:03he trawled the birth records and struck gold.
0:18:03 > 0:18:05There were eight children.
0:18:07 > 0:18:10So, Arthur had in fact had four brothers and three sisters.
0:18:11 > 0:18:13Bob's problem was they were all called Jones,
0:18:13 > 0:18:17and all born in Wales, but luck was on his side again.
0:18:19 > 0:18:24Amongst the deceased's papers were mention of three family members.
0:18:24 > 0:18:27These were the initials and surnames of a suspected brother,
0:18:27 > 0:18:29niece and nephew.
0:18:30 > 0:18:34From the paperwork, Bob discovered the name J Jones matched up
0:18:34 > 0:18:38to Arthur's brother on the 1911 Census records.
0:18:41 > 0:18:44Now the team worked the niece's initials and surname.
0:18:44 > 0:18:46By using the birth and marriage records,
0:18:46 > 0:18:48they found who could be J Jones' daughter,
0:18:48 > 0:18:51and therefore, Arthur's niece.
0:18:52 > 0:18:53But it was a long shot.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59On a hunch, we then located that lady,
0:18:59 > 0:19:02and she did in fact turn out to be
0:19:02 > 0:19:05the niece who was named in the deceased's papers.
0:19:05 > 0:19:08Bob had found his first heir,
0:19:08 > 0:19:11and she was able to tell him crucial information about the family.
0:19:13 > 0:19:16And having interviewed her,
0:19:16 > 0:19:19we confirmed that two of those children died in infancy,
0:19:19 > 0:19:21so that left five siblings to our deceased
0:19:21 > 0:19:23where there were possible descendents.
0:19:26 > 0:19:28Arthur was from a military family,
0:19:28 > 0:19:32and when the Second World War broke out in 1939,
0:19:32 > 0:19:34both he and his brothers were at a prime age
0:19:34 > 0:19:36for conscription into the Army.
0:19:39 > 0:19:42But according to the niece Bob had found,
0:19:42 > 0:19:45Arthur returned from the war a shell-shocked and broken man,
0:19:45 > 0:19:48an affliction that was still haunting him into his 80s.
0:19:48 > 0:19:51His trauma from the war was witnessed first hand
0:19:51 > 0:19:54by his nursing home's matron Rachel Kemp.
0:19:54 > 0:19:59Initially on coming in to us, Arthur was obviously a gentleman
0:19:59 > 0:20:02who was quite disturbed, and would be able to have
0:20:02 > 0:20:05a normal or semi-normal conversation with you
0:20:05 > 0:20:07and then would get very distressed.
0:20:08 > 0:20:11Would shout out about being in the trenches,
0:20:11 > 0:20:14about Hitler was coming, things like that.
0:20:14 > 0:20:17Over 50 years later,
0:20:17 > 0:20:20and Arthur's experiences of war were still haunting him.
0:20:20 > 0:20:24After his death, matron Rachel tried her hardest to piece together
0:20:24 > 0:20:25the tragic story of his adult life
0:20:25 > 0:20:29and what led him to College Fields Nursing Home.
0:20:31 > 0:20:35We found out the fact that he was wounded at 24.
0:20:36 > 0:20:39And although Arthur hadn't died in the Second World War,
0:20:39 > 0:20:43his life really had ended as anybody else would have known it,
0:20:43 > 0:20:50because he became homeless, he became isolated from his family.
0:20:50 > 0:20:51Ended up in a mental hospital.
0:20:51 > 0:20:55So, life had had major repercussions for Arthur
0:20:55 > 0:20:57because he'd been a soldier.
0:20:58 > 0:21:01So, what had happened to Arthur during his war years
0:21:01 > 0:21:04that was so traumatic, it stayed with him for the rest of his life?
0:21:07 > 0:21:10For heir hunter Bob Smith, this question would have to wait.
0:21:13 > 0:21:17His aim now was to track down the children of Arthur's other siblings,
0:21:17 > 0:21:21as they would also be the heirs to Arthur's £225,000 estate.
0:21:25 > 0:21:29Later in the programme, the family Arthur had lost touch with remember
0:21:29 > 0:21:33just how traumatised their late uncle was by the war.
0:21:34 > 0:21:38He would want us all to get under the table and hide
0:21:38 > 0:21:42and get very distressed if we didn't.
0:21:47 > 0:21:51Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year,
0:21:51 > 0:21:54and millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs.
0:21:54 > 0:21:56But not every case can be cracked.
0:21:56 > 0:22:02The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates that have baffled heir hunters and remain unsolved.
0:22:02 > 0:22:05Could you be the heir they've been searching for?
0:22:05 > 0:22:08Could you be in line for a windfall worth hundreds,
0:22:08 > 0:22:10thousands or even millions of pounds?
0:22:11 > 0:22:14Estates stay on the list for up to 30 years,
0:22:14 > 0:22:18and today we're focussing on three names.
0:22:18 > 0:22:20Are they relatives of yours?
0:22:20 > 0:22:26Margaret Grant-Paxton died in East Sussex in September 1996.
0:22:26 > 0:22:29She passed away in the Eastbourne District General Hospital.
0:22:29 > 0:22:32Does her distinctive double-barrelled name mean
0:22:32 > 0:22:33anything to you?
0:22:36 > 0:22:39Or did you know Herbert Fallows Worsnop?
0:22:39 > 0:22:42He died in March 2001 in Hampshire.
0:22:43 > 0:22:46He may have passed away in the south of England,
0:22:46 > 0:22:49but the vast majority of Worsnops live in and around Yorkshire.
0:22:50 > 0:22:54If no heirs are found to his estate, the money will go to the Government.
0:22:56 > 0:22:57Or finally, Mabel Presence,
0:22:57 > 0:23:02who died in Camberwell Green in London back in 1994.
0:23:02 > 0:23:06Are you Mabel's heir? Her surname is extremely rare in the UK.
0:23:09 > 0:23:12If the names Margaret Grant-Paxton, Herbert Fallows Worsnop
0:23:12 > 0:23:15or Mabel Presence mean anything to you,
0:23:15 > 0:23:17then you could have a windfall on its way.
0:23:23 > 0:23:27David Johnson died aged 53 in January 2010.
0:23:28 > 0:23:30He passed away alone in his Manchester flat
0:23:30 > 0:23:33and left no will and had no known relatives.
0:23:33 > 0:23:36David had been diagnosed with terminal cancer,
0:23:36 > 0:23:38and died just two weeks later.
0:23:38 > 0:23:41He'd been ill for a while, but had kept it to himself,
0:23:41 > 0:23:43and was loath to seek help.
0:23:45 > 0:23:49He never actually went to a doctor's, and in that case,
0:23:49 > 0:23:54when he did go to the doctor, it was a bit too late for the poor man.
0:23:56 > 0:23:59And sadly, he passed away very quickly after that.
0:23:59 > 0:24:03It was an unceremonious death for a man who loved life.
0:24:03 > 0:24:06At the local pub where the two friends met regularly,
0:24:06 > 0:24:10David was renowned for his dry humour and quick mind.
0:24:10 > 0:24:15Everyone would be talking and he'd just say something off the cuff
0:24:15 > 0:24:18and it'd throw everybody into turmoil then.
0:24:19 > 0:24:21We'd all be laughing and joking.
0:24:21 > 0:24:24He was a very bright, intelligent person.
0:24:28 > 0:24:31In London, the heir hunters are working
0:24:31 > 0:24:33David Johnson's £37,000 estate.
0:24:35 > 0:24:39Because David died in Manchester, his name has been released
0:24:39 > 0:24:42on the Duchy of Lancaster's list, not the Treasury's.
0:24:44 > 0:24:47Unclaimed estates from areas of land owned by the monarchy
0:24:47 > 0:24:51in the district of Lancaster go to the Crown, not the Government.
0:24:51 > 0:24:54But the way the company tracks down heirs is exactly the same.
0:24:56 > 0:25:00I've got a Duchy case out today of a David Johnson. Bye.
0:25:02 > 0:25:05- Senior case manager David Pacifico and his team...- Hello.
0:25:05 > 0:25:07..are having a nightmare trying to confirm
0:25:07 > 0:25:11even the most basic of David's personal details.
0:25:11 > 0:25:13Why is nothing working today?
0:25:15 > 0:25:18With no birth certificate yet for the deceased,
0:25:18 > 0:25:21they're using a family tree based on an educated hunch.
0:25:23 > 0:25:26So far, using the maternal line, they've managed to trace
0:25:26 > 0:25:30but not yet contact two cousins in Essex who will be heirs
0:25:30 > 0:25:33if the team can prove David's parents have passed away.
0:25:34 > 0:25:35Not an easy task.
0:25:36 > 0:25:40Born 1924, so she could be in a home.
0:25:40 > 0:25:44But across the office, things have taken a positive turn.
0:25:44 > 0:25:49Researcher Gareth thinks he's found a phone number for David Johnson's mother's brother's widow.
0:25:49 > 0:25:50Got your tree?
0:25:50 > 0:25:53Bit of a mouthful, but it's music to David Pacifico's ears.
0:25:56 > 0:25:59We're trying to trace a particular family of the name of Daniels.
0:25:59 > 0:26:03Now, would I be right in saying that you were married to a Ronald Daniels?
0:26:04 > 0:26:06And did Ronald have a sister Edna?
0:26:08 > 0:26:11Do you know whether or not she's still alive
0:26:11 > 0:26:13or anything at all about her family at all?
0:26:13 > 0:26:17Finally, even without David's birth certificate,
0:26:17 > 0:26:19the team has confirmation
0:26:19 > 0:26:21they've been chasing the right family all along
0:26:21 > 0:26:25and their initial guesswork was spot on.
0:26:25 > 0:26:29David Pacifico gets as many details as he can from the ex-sister-in-law.
0:26:31 > 0:26:35- Bye-bye.- But there's one answer she can only guess at.
0:26:35 > 0:26:38She thinks that Edna herself may have passed away,
0:26:38 > 0:26:40but she's not certain about it.
0:26:40 > 0:26:45Until they confirm whether David Johnson's parents are alive or dead,
0:26:45 > 0:26:47the heir hunt is still up in the air.
0:26:47 > 0:26:49David brings Gareth up to speed.
0:26:50 > 0:26:56Basically, this is all correct. Yeah. Ronald was one of two children.
0:26:56 > 0:27:01Edna was married to Alan Johnson. They only had one child, David.
0:27:02 > 0:27:06She says that Edna went into a home, thinks she may have died,
0:27:06 > 0:27:07but she's obviously not certain.
0:27:07 > 0:27:10So, we still could be talking about a mother.
0:27:10 > 0:27:13But the question is who deals with her affairs, if that's the case.
0:27:14 > 0:27:16All right. OK, bye.
0:27:17 > 0:27:22Downstairs, the team double their efforts to find a death certificate
0:27:22 > 0:27:26for Edna Johnson. Upstairs, David has his own thoughts about it.
0:27:27 > 0:27:31- My own feeling is that I think she could be alive.- Only time will tell.
0:27:33 > 0:27:36So, while he waits for confirmation on Edna's predicament,
0:27:36 > 0:27:39David uses a phone number given to him by the sister-in-law
0:27:39 > 0:27:42and puts in a call to a cousin of the deceased.
0:27:43 > 0:27:46We're looking into an estate of somebody
0:27:46 > 0:27:47that has recently passed away -
0:27:47 > 0:27:49in this case we're talking about her son.
0:27:51 > 0:27:54Yeah. Your cousin, in other words.
0:27:54 > 0:27:58The cousin may be a potential heir, but that will only be known
0:27:58 > 0:28:00if he can shed some light on what's happened to Edna.
0:28:02 > 0:28:04OK, thank you, bye-bye. Bye.
0:28:04 > 0:28:08Unfortunately, the cousin is still just a potential heir,
0:28:08 > 0:28:12as he can't give David any definitive answers on Edna.
0:28:12 > 0:28:14But there are other snippets of information he's provided
0:28:14 > 0:28:16that will help the hunt.
0:28:16 > 0:28:19That was the cousin. He knew that David was last known to be up north.
0:28:19 > 0:28:21He thought Manchester or Newcastle,
0:28:21 > 0:28:24but thought it might have been Manchester, which is right.
0:28:26 > 0:28:30His mother lived in Blackpool, and his father was also Blackpool.
0:28:30 > 0:28:32His father's definitely dead.
0:28:32 > 0:28:34He knows that Edna went into a home,
0:28:34 > 0:28:38so with Blackpool, I will hopefully ask them to see if they can check
0:28:38 > 0:28:43to find out if we have got any possibilities of deaths in Blackpool.
0:28:43 > 0:28:45That now cuts it down an awful lot.
0:28:45 > 0:28:48If there's no death, that means that she's possibly still alive.
0:28:49 > 0:28:54The location of Blackpool could be the key that unlocks this case.
0:28:54 > 0:28:57David heads downstairs to pass on his latest lead about Edna
0:28:57 > 0:28:59and her late husband Alan.
0:28:59 > 0:29:01Gareth, can you see if you can identify
0:29:01 > 0:29:06a death of Alan Johnson in Blackpool 22 to 25 years ago?
0:29:06 > 0:29:07But Edna was also Blackpool.
0:29:08 > 0:29:11Can we pick her up on any electoral roll or death?
0:29:13 > 0:29:15This new information allows the heir hunters
0:29:15 > 0:29:19to significantly narrow their search.
0:29:19 > 0:29:23Gareth gets stuck into researching the records in Blackpool
0:29:23 > 0:29:24and strikes gold.
0:29:25 > 0:29:29- Edna, otherwise Edna Laetitia... - Oh, it's right?
0:29:29 > 0:29:31..dies on 8th May 1997.
0:29:31 > 0:29:32Excellent.
0:29:32 > 0:29:36So, if that's correct, as it looks good,
0:29:36 > 0:29:38we'll then be back to this cousin again.
0:29:38 > 0:29:40The cousins look like they're going to be entitled.
0:29:40 > 0:29:44So, one side of the family is known, but of course,
0:29:44 > 0:29:46we then have to look at the Johnson side,
0:29:46 > 0:29:49because the father may well have had brothers and sisters
0:29:49 > 0:29:50and, subsequently, children.
0:29:50 > 0:29:52They may have had children,
0:29:52 > 0:29:56so there is unknown possible other beneficiaries on this.
0:29:58 > 0:30:00Gareth switches his attention to
0:30:00 > 0:30:03David Johnson's father's family tree.
0:30:03 > 0:30:05And now David Pacifico knows for sure that
0:30:05 > 0:30:07the deceased's two cousins are heirs,
0:30:07 > 0:30:10he puts in a call to travelling heir hunter Bob Barratt,
0:30:10 > 0:30:12who has been on stand-by all morning.
0:30:14 > 0:30:18He lets him know he potentially has a meeting for him in Essex.
0:30:20 > 0:30:21Bye.
0:30:25 > 0:30:27Bob Barratt is available, traveller,
0:30:27 > 0:30:30so I know I've got somebody that can go.
0:30:31 > 0:30:33Happy things are finally falling into place,
0:30:33 > 0:30:37David lets the rest of the office know the good news.
0:30:37 > 0:30:39We're up to date on one of the Duchy cases.
0:30:39 > 0:30:41But things are never that easy.
0:30:42 > 0:30:45It turns out the two cousins are willing to meet Bob,
0:30:45 > 0:30:46but it can't be today.
0:30:48 > 0:30:52David hurriedly organises a meeting for the following day.
0:30:52 > 0:30:56The good news is that neither cousin has been contacted by
0:30:56 > 0:30:58any competing heir-hunting companies.
0:30:58 > 0:31:00David Pacifico hopes it stays that way.
0:31:01 > 0:31:03I haven't come across any competition yet,
0:31:03 > 0:31:06but that doesn't mean to say it may not come.
0:31:10 > 0:31:12It's day two of the hunt.
0:31:12 > 0:31:15In the office, the team are still trying to work out
0:31:15 > 0:31:18if the paternal side of David's family will produce any heirs.
0:31:20 > 0:31:23Meanwhile, a travelling heir hunter has made it to the meeting
0:31:23 > 0:31:25with David's two cousins.
0:31:25 > 0:31:29At the moment, they are the only two heirs on David's mother's side
0:31:29 > 0:31:31to his £37,000 estate.
0:31:32 > 0:31:35Bob Barratt is now tied up on other cases,
0:31:35 > 0:31:38so David Pacifico has drafted in Dave Hadley.
0:31:40 > 0:31:42- Hello there, Mr Daniels?- Yeah.
0:31:42 > 0:31:44Hi, Dave Hadley from Fraser & Fraser.
0:31:44 > 0:31:48First on the agenda is cross-checking with the heirs
0:31:48 > 0:31:50the information the office has passed on to him.
0:31:50 > 0:31:53- And where was that? Was it in Blackpool?- That was in Blackpool.
0:31:55 > 0:31:58For the cousins, the news of David's death has come as quite a shock,
0:31:58 > 0:32:01knowing he was only in his early 50s.
0:32:01 > 0:32:04Didn't even know David was ill, how he died.
0:32:04 > 0:32:06Don't know, but we can find that out.
0:32:09 > 0:32:12Both cousins are happy to sign with the heir hunters.
0:32:12 > 0:32:13This means the company can help them
0:32:13 > 0:32:15in making a claim to the Duchy of Lancaster,
0:32:15 > 0:32:19and are then entitled to commission on the cousins' share of the estate.
0:32:21 > 0:32:22We hadn't talked in 20 years,
0:32:22 > 0:32:26it's a bit of a surprise to get a phone call out of nowhere.
0:32:27 > 0:32:30Despite not having spoken for decades,
0:32:30 > 0:32:32there was no big family bust-up or arguments.
0:32:32 > 0:32:36The cousins speculate it was more geographic than anything.
0:32:37 > 0:32:40We had different lifestyles, totally.
0:32:41 > 0:32:45He liked living in Manchester, we like living in the south.
0:32:45 > 0:32:48The two cousins, Stephen and Ian,
0:32:48 > 0:32:53will now be entitled to a proportion of David's £37,000 estate.
0:32:53 > 0:32:55But it's an estate they will now share.
0:32:55 > 0:32:58In the weeks following the initial hunt,
0:32:58 > 0:33:02David Pacifico and his team traced an aunt on the paternal side.
0:33:03 > 0:33:07She's in her 90s and is the final heir to inherit on this case.
0:33:09 > 0:33:12David Johnson may have lost contact with his family
0:33:12 > 0:33:15in the decades before his death,
0:33:15 > 0:33:18but the friends he left behind can give them some idea
0:33:18 > 0:33:20as to the type of man he'd become.
0:33:21 > 0:33:23We'd all be laughing and joking,
0:33:23 > 0:33:26David would come out with some real crackers, Dave would.
0:33:26 > 0:33:29He'd get everyone laughing within a few minutes.
0:33:29 > 0:33:33Everyone looked up to him, he was a dead decent chap.
0:33:43 > 0:33:47Arthur William Jones died in a Cardiff nursing home aged 90.
0:33:47 > 0:33:48He left no will
0:33:48 > 0:33:53and no known relatives to inherit his £225,000 estate.
0:33:54 > 0:33:57Most of his past life was a mystery to those who cared for him
0:33:57 > 0:33:59in his final years.
0:33:59 > 0:34:01We knew nothing of Arthur's background,
0:34:01 > 0:34:04only that he'd been a long, long-stay patient in Whitchurch Hospital.
0:34:06 > 0:34:09And that his experiences in the Second World War
0:34:09 > 0:34:11had traumatised him for life.
0:34:11 > 0:34:14He would get very distressed at times and would should out
0:34:14 > 0:34:20about being in the trenches, about Hitler was coming, things like that.
0:34:23 > 0:34:27The job of finding Arthur's heirs fell to
0:34:27 > 0:34:28probate researcher Bob Smith.
0:34:30 > 0:34:34Hunting heirs to an Arthur William Jones born in Wales is a tall order,
0:34:34 > 0:34:38as Jones is one of the most common Welsh surnames.
0:34:40 > 0:34:44Despite this, Bob discovered Arthur had had seven siblings,
0:34:44 > 0:34:46five of which had survived into adulthood.
0:34:48 > 0:34:50Using paperwork that came with the estate,
0:34:50 > 0:34:54Bob found his first heir, a niece of Arthur's,
0:34:54 > 0:34:57and her family knowledge helped him move his hunt forward.
0:34:57 > 0:35:00It is almost certainly going to be in Cardiff, isn't it?
0:35:01 > 0:35:04Using Arthur's mother's name of Laura Maud,
0:35:04 > 0:35:06he searched the birth records
0:35:06 > 0:35:09and found a sister of Arthur's who was also called Laura Maud.
0:35:11 > 0:35:13She had stayed in Cardiff, and had two children.
0:35:14 > 0:35:20One of whom was Lorraine Sergeant, another of Arthur's nieces.
0:35:20 > 0:35:24She was able to provide great information in relation to all of the deceased's family
0:35:24 > 0:35:27and particular about deceased himself and his life.
0:35:27 > 0:35:30Niece Lorraine may have been extremely helpful to Bob,
0:35:30 > 0:35:33but initially the whole thing came as a shock to her.
0:35:36 > 0:35:40My immediate reaction was, "nothing to do with us."
0:35:40 > 0:35:46My sister phoned up and said about it, we were both dumbfounded to be quite honest.
0:35:46 > 0:35:49Right out of the blue.
0:35:49 > 0:35:53Lorraine used to occasionally bump into Arthur around Cardiff,
0:35:53 > 0:35:55but lost touch.
0:35:55 > 0:35:59Her fondest memories of her uncle went back to her childhood.
0:35:59 > 0:36:03He used to come and stop with my grandmother
0:36:03 > 0:36:07and very fond memories of him at that stage.
0:36:07 > 0:36:09But he was a very sick person.
0:36:11 > 0:36:16Yes, he had problems stemming from the war.
0:36:20 > 0:36:24It turned out Arthur had enlisted in the army in 1939,
0:36:24 > 0:36:26aged just 19-years-old,
0:36:26 > 0:36:29just before the outbreak of the Second World War.
0:36:29 > 0:36:32At this stage, he was a healthy young man.
0:36:34 > 0:36:37He was in the First Battalion Welsh Regiment
0:36:37 > 0:36:42and was initially based in Palestine before being posted to Egypt
0:36:42 > 0:36:44and the infamous El Alamein
0:36:44 > 0:36:48as part of the Allies' Western Desert campaign.
0:36:52 > 0:36:57El Alamein is a town in northern Egypt where between 1940 and 1942
0:36:57 > 0:37:02crucial battles were fought by the Allies against Italian and German forces.
0:37:03 > 0:37:08The Allies ultimately succeeded and halted their advance into Egypt,
0:37:08 > 0:37:11eventually forcing the Italians and Germans West.
0:37:15 > 0:37:18It was in this world that a 21-year-old Arthur found himself.
0:37:18 > 0:37:24It appears that something happened during this period of conflict that deeply affected him.
0:37:25 > 0:37:28What it was is not exactly known by the family,
0:37:28 > 0:37:31but niece Lorraine does remember one story.
0:37:32 > 0:37:37We understood him to have been out on a patrol.
0:37:39 > 0:37:44His best friend had stepped on a landmine and been blown to pieces.
0:37:46 > 0:37:51He was affected by that from then onwards.
0:37:53 > 0:37:57Once described as an honest, sober and hard-working soldier,
0:37:57 > 0:38:01by 1943 his military record had begun to deteriorate.
0:38:02 > 0:38:05In March 1945,
0:38:05 > 0:38:09Arthur was declared permanently unfit for military service.
0:38:09 > 0:38:14Statistics suggest that as many as a fifth of World War II veterans
0:38:14 > 0:38:18suffered from some sort of emotional trauma, and that is just the ones who reported it.
0:38:24 > 0:38:28People experiencing things that they had never experienced before,
0:38:28 > 0:38:30thinking the world is a benevolent place
0:38:30 > 0:38:33and then seeing how awful human beings can be towards each other.
0:38:34 > 0:38:38But then also serving in conflict after conflict,
0:38:38 > 0:38:43so it is a general wearing down of their capacity to be able to cope as well.
0:38:48 > 0:38:52The experience of trauma and how it presented itself was not particularly well understood
0:38:52 > 0:38:54although it was better that it had been.
0:38:54 > 0:38:57But also the fact that these were men of their era
0:38:57 > 0:39:02and were unlikely to have admitted to experiencing emotional distress.
0:39:02 > 0:39:06The kinds of symptoms that they would have exhibited
0:39:06 > 0:39:09when they came back from war might have been anger,
0:39:09 > 0:39:13they might be acting out elements of their experiences
0:39:13 > 0:39:18because they were feeling as if they were back in that situation.
0:39:20 > 0:39:22Nightmares, depression,
0:39:22 > 0:39:27not being able to perform their job effectively, becoming very withdrawn,
0:39:27 > 0:39:32all of those sort of symptoms would have been noticeable.
0:39:33 > 0:39:39As a child, Lorraine can clearly remember her uncle displaying signs of his trauma,
0:39:39 > 0:39:43and also the lengths the family would go to to accommodate his illness.
0:39:44 > 0:39:49When the aeroplanes went over or there was any police noises or
0:39:49 > 0:39:55anything he would want us all to get under the table and hide
0:39:55 > 0:39:58and get very distressed if we didn't.
0:40:00 > 0:40:02He was a very nervous person.
0:40:04 > 0:40:07And despite the family's best efforts to care for Arthur,
0:40:07 > 0:40:10it eventually proved too much for his mother to cope with.
0:40:12 > 0:40:17She found it very, very difficult, not being able to take him out
0:40:17 > 0:40:22for fear of him, you know, having a bad turn or something like that.
0:40:23 > 0:40:25Then he went to stay at the hospital.
0:40:27 > 0:40:33Arthur and his family's situation were sadly all too common in the post-war years.
0:40:33 > 0:40:36He was just one of many men who found it extremely difficult
0:40:36 > 0:40:38to slot back into everyday life.
0:40:39 > 0:40:43It would have had a very shattering effect on the family,
0:40:43 > 0:40:46they would never have been able to have the relationships
0:40:46 > 0:40:48they would have liked to have had with each other.
0:40:48 > 0:40:52Having an uncle whose life was effectively over at 24
0:40:52 > 0:40:56and whose illness meant normal relationships were nearly impossible
0:40:56 > 0:41:00is a tragedy that caused Arthur to finally disappear
0:41:00 > 0:41:01from his family's lives.
0:41:03 > 0:41:08All the things he has missed, you know, he never had his own family, never had his own home.
0:41:10 > 0:41:12He was just forgotten, to be quite honest with you.
0:41:12 > 0:41:17Even from my point of view, I forgot about him
0:41:17 > 0:41:24once my mother passed on and... He just got forgotten.
0:41:25 > 0:41:30It wasn't just Arthur's heirs who were saddened by their late uncle's life.
0:41:30 > 0:41:33For Bob Smith, Arthur's story also struck a chord.
0:41:35 > 0:41:39Presently in the media there is a lot of coverage about soldiers
0:41:39 > 0:41:43that fight on behalf of their country in all parts of the world
0:41:43 > 0:41:46and how they are looked after, there are many charitable causes,
0:41:46 > 0:41:48quite rightly, for those soldiers.
0:41:48 > 0:41:54But of course, Arthur himself was a victim of the generation he was brought up in.
0:41:54 > 0:42:01They obviously didn't receive the same sort of support as they do know and I find that quite upsetting.
0:42:02 > 0:42:08Overall, Bob found 13 heirs to Arthur's £225,000 estate.
0:42:08 > 0:42:14An estate that could potentially have been made up of over 60 years worth of untouched war pension.
0:42:16 > 0:42:21The legacy of the Second World War ruined both men and their families.
0:42:21 > 0:42:24And for Lorraine, Arthur's life is a sad indictment
0:42:24 > 0:42:27of the lack of support for men who served their country.
0:42:29 > 0:42:35He never had nothing, I feel really, really strongly that these people, these boys,
0:42:35 > 0:42:40because he was only a boy, he wasn't a grown man, he wasn't...
0:42:40 > 0:42:45He hadn't seen nothing of life, and he came back and he was just left
0:42:45 > 0:42:51and I think it was such a shame, a real waste of a life, really.
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